NCAA President calls for new tier of Division I where schools can pay athletes

[FUBeAR]

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....IFIN' YER PAYIN' TUITION...TO PLAY......YER UH CUSTOMER......NOT AN EMPLOYEE..............AWK!

So PFL exempt? And NAIA and JUCO’s do have scholarships.

Also … what about NCCAA? … 92 schools / 17 sports …

The NCCAA sponsors championships in the following sports:

Sport	Men's	Women's
Baseball
Basketball
Cross Country
Football
Golf
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
Volleyball

[POD Knows]

So PFL exempt? And NAIA and JUCO’s do have scholarships.

Also … what about NCCAA? … 92 schools / 17 sports …

The NCCAA sponsors championships in the following sports:

Sport	Men's	Women's
Baseball
Basketball
Cross Country
Football
Golf
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
Volleyball

What about high school, they make revenue from sports. This entire thing is a train wreck.

[FUBeAR]

What about high school, they make revenue from sports. This entire thing is a train wreck.

Absolutely … and the Swim Team in FUBeAR’s S&T ‘hood sells concessions to bring in revenue.

Making BANK on the backs & backstrokes of those U6 kids workin’ the booth as nothing but pure slave labor! We need the Federal Government to step in here. Child slave labor! These Swim Mom Karen’s / Child trafficking pimps need to be in prison!

[WestCoastAggie]

Absolutely … and the Swim Team in FUBeAR’s S&T ‘hood sells concessions to bring in revenue. Making bank on the backs & backstrokes of those U6 kids workin’ the booth as nothing but pure slave labor! We need the Federal Government to step in here. Child slave labor! These Swim Mom Karen’s / Child trafficking pimps need to be in prison!

Just wait until you hear about the Girl Scouts Cookie racket.

[ElCid]

The last few posts all demonstrate that this has NOTHING to do with the law. It all has to do with MONEY. There is no money, or very little in these examples above. Because there is money at the P5 level, the only meaningful money, it is all of a sudden a legal question? Don't make me laugh. Pretty sure it is about greed.

And here is food for thought. If college athletes should be paid, according to some, then how much? Should it be based on how much "their sport" generates? So football players get tens of thousands, and women's golf gets what? $3.95 a year per golfer? I'll love to see how that plays out. The forces pushing this have started a self-destruct timer.

[caribbeanhen]

The last few posts all demonstrate that this has NOTHING to do with the law. It all has to do with MONEY. There is no money, or very little in these examples above. Because there is money at the P5 level, the only meaningful money, it is all of a sudden a legal question? Don't make me laugh. Pretty sure it is about greed.

And here is food for thought. If college athletes should be paid, according to some, then how much? Should it be based on how much "their sport" generates? So football players get tens of thousands, and women's golf gets what? $3.95 a year per golfer? I'll love to see how that plays out. The forces pushing this have started a self-destruct timer.

and what would happen to all of these colleges when everyone realizes that everybody doesn’t need that worthless degree, not that all degrees are worthless by any means, but sometimes little Johnny should be told he’s not college material….. you’re pulling everyone down to your level Johnny boy

[MR. CHICKEN]

So PFL exempt? And NAIA and JUCO’s do have scholarships.

Also … what about NCCAA? … 92 schools / 17 sports …

The NCCAA sponsors championships in the following sports:

Sport	Men's	Women's
Baseball
Basketball
Cross Country
Football
Golf
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
Volleyball

........NOT EVERAH-ONE....GETS DUH SKOLLY/AID.............SO...THOSE R CUSTOMERS.......ER AWK!

[FUBeAR]

........NOT EVERAH-ONE....GETS DUH SKOLLY/AID.............SO...THOSE R CUSTOMERS.......ER AWK!

Nope, they don't - So...what about Partial Schollies / Aid ... which would (currently) apply to EVERY LEVEL AND EVERY SPORT except D1 FBS Football and D1 Basketball (Mens and Womens)?

If we're going to exempt those peeps based on the Supreme Court of Mr. Chicken's ruling, then every FCS Football School would be smart to offer Full-Schollie's less $1 (to those that are (currently) on Full Schollie (guessing that's about 60-70% of FCS Players (not counting PFL, of course)), so ALL of their Players would not be Employees. Right?

[nodak651]

Anyone know what part (ii) below means? https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/fil...orStandAct.pdf


(A) The term “employee” does not include any individual who volunteers to perform services for a public agency which is a State, apolitical subdivision of a State, or an interstate governmental agency, if—

(i) the individual receives no compensation or is paid expenses, reasonable benefits, or a nominal fee to perform the services for which the individual volunteered; and
(ii) such services are not the same type of services which the individual is employed to perform for such public agency.

[FUBeAR]

Anyone know what part (ii) below means? https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/fil...orStandAct.pdf


(A) The term “employee” does not include any individual who volunteers to perform services for a public agency which is a State, a political subdivision of a State, or an interstate governmental agency, if—

(i) the individual receives no compensation or is paid expenses,reasonable benefits, or a nominal fee to perform the services for which the individual volunteered; and
(ii) such services are not the same type of services which the individual is employed to perform for such public agency.

Certainly not easy to decipher - particularly when CRITICAL definitions contain circular references rendering them meaningless / incomprehensible - "...the term “employee” means any individual employed by an employer..." (see below)

But...in this case....let's say you are a janitor in the ND State Capitol and you tell your boss that you'll volunteer to give the kids from your kids' elementary a tour of the Capitol even though they do hire / pay such tour guides. That's fine. Your boss can let you do that without compensation .... BUT ... let's say one of those kids backs up the toilet at the end of the tour and it overflows .... so, you (naturally) are asked/expected to clean up the mess. Now you gotta be paid for that time.

Make sense?

It's a way to keep Employers from getting around the laws by that which is commonly known as being "Voluntold" to do something .... or kinda like "Voluntary" workouts for college athletes....FUBeAR has heard.

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Circular references means (generally)...

1) Employee = any individual employed by an employer
2) Employ = to suffer or permit to work
_____ a. suffer = put up with or to tolerate
_____ b. permit = give authorization or consent
3) Employer = any person acting directly or indirectly in the interest of an employer in relation to an employee


So...

Employee (1) = any individual ... put up with or tolerated (2a) or given authorization or consent to work (2b) ... by any person acting directly or indirectly in the interest of (3) any person acting directly or indirectly in the interest of (3...infinitely looping) … in relation to ... any individual (1) ... put up with or or tolerated (2a) or given authorization or consent to work (2b) ... by any person acting directly or indirectly in the interest of (3) any person acting directly or indirectly in the interest of (3...infinitely looping) in relation to (1, 2a, 2b, 3) infinitely looping.


HORRIBLE JOB in creating definitions ... Good money to be made for those in the legal profession though...who are the ones that wrote this ... infinitely looping .... SEE HOW THAT WORKS ...