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August 7th, 2006, 11:48 PM
McNeese75

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Yup. Second only to McNeese.

Sandbagging fans:
1. McNeese
2. Delaware
3. Georgia Southern
4. Colgate

:eek: I'm appalled !!!!!! :cool: xidiotx :smiley_wi
August 7th, 2006, 11:50 PM
89Hen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. C

Georgia Southern fans as sandbaggers? They think they should win the NC every year. UMass fans would be my No. 1 choice for overestimating fans. A lot of ASU fans were predicting a losing season and a new head coach before last season.

I'm just talking about the ones here and other general I-AA type boards. I don't frequent the SC anymore.
August 8th, 2006, 12:18 AM
smallcollegefbfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Sorry. Your username eliminates you from the running. We only want people who think BIG! :p

Oh come on this is small school football....well small school when referring to the amount of money the schools put in it and for most of them how big they are... :D ... I should be under consideration.. :thumbsup:
August 8th, 2006, 12:18 AM
89Hen

BTW, far from scientific, but here's a thread from last year titled "What are the chances of your team making the playoffs..." and some of the results:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/foru...ead.php?t=2611

Sandbaggers (or in some cases just telling it like it is):
ISUMatt: "Illinois State has a less than 5% chance to make the playoffs"
ChickenMan: "too many things will have to go well for UD to get to the eight wins needed for a playoff bid"
blukeys: "What you said CM"
rcny46: "I can envision UNH losing 4 or 5,and that will negate their chances this year IMHO."
poharry: "Slim and none and none is going for the door right now." (WIU)
dungeonjoe: "WoCo has about a 3 in 10 shot of going"
McNeese75: "Probably not, most likely no way!" (king of sandbagging ;) )
HuskyAlum: "NU's chances for the playoffs... slim and next to none"
buckp: "I'm starting to get nervous over our first game"
slyfox: "we are a MAJOR longshot" (Liberty)
golionsgo: "We're probably not at the point in our program where we're ready to make a playoff push but I do think we're good enough to spoil someone else's chance."
colgate13: "I'd put Colgate in the 25-35% range"
Let'sGoNova: "Villanova is probably on the lower end of the playoff contenders in the A-10"
BlackandGoldExpress: "I'll put us at 35% chance right now" (ASU)

Walking the fence:
Tribe4SF: "I don't think anyone's odds are better than 50-50... I do expect us to be in the mix."
txstatebobcat: "While its certainly possible, all kinds of things could go wrong."
catbob: "I'd say the Cats chances are pretty decent, but not sound by any means... I give us a 65% chance, maybe 70%"
JaxSinfonian: "Fair-to-middlin" :confused:
th0m: "I have no idea. What I do know is that a lot of people expect us to." (JMU)
Pantherpower: "If they avoid that... better than average."
kats89: "Will wait until conference starts to make a more educated guess."
dukester: "60% we make the playoffs" (JMU)
putter: "Griz have 50/50 shot"

Not holding back:
Killtoppers90: "I'd say that WKU will make the playoffs again"
ngineer: "I would say Lehigh's chances are about 80%"
youwouldno: "Very high (Furman)"
OLFU: "Ditto" (to above)
saint0917: "Umass has about a 75 to 80% chance of making the playoffs"
eaglesrthe1: "I say an 80% chance for the Eagles"
SamAdams: "UMass is pretty well loaded... I'd give them a 70% chance"
GreatAppSt: "I think the Apps can make it, our schedule thinks we can't."
JMU2004: "if we were in any other conference, 80% or higher"
ReedRothchild: "UNI's chances are strong to quite strong."
ChiefGSU275: "As for GSU, I think we will be in"

MrC. this would support your case for GSU fans. :nod:
August 8th, 2006, 12:55 AM
umassfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Yup. Second only to McNeese.

Sandbagging fans:
1. McNeese
2. Delaware
3. Georgia Southern
4. Colgate

Overestimating fans:
1. Southern/Grambling
2. Appalachian State
3. Massachusetts
4. Montana
:twocents:

What are we overestimating? We had what 1 loosing season in the last 8 years. Sounds pretty good to me.
August 8th, 2006, 01:58 AM
rcny46

UNH fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

BTW, far from scientific, but here's a thread from last year titled "What are the chances of your team making the playoffs..." and some of the results:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/foru...ead.php?t=2611

Sandbaggers (or in some cases just telling it like it is):
ISUMatt: "Illinois State has a less than 5% chance to make the playoffs"
ChickenMan: "too many things will have to go well for UD to get to the eight wins needed for a playoff bid"
blukeys: "What you said CM"
rcny46: "I can envision UNH losing 4 or 5,and that will negate their chances this year IMHO."
poharry: "Slim and none and none is going for the door right now." (WIU)
dungeonjoe: "WoCo has about a 3 in 10 shot of going"
McNeese75: "Probably not, most likely no way!" (king of sandbagging ;) )
HuskyAlum: "NU's chances for the playoffs... slim and next to none"
buckp: "I'm starting to get nervous over our first game"
slyfox: "we are a MAJOR longshot" (Liberty)
golionsgo: "We're probably not at the point in our program where we're ready to make a playoff push but I do think we're good enough to spoil someone else's chance."
colgate13: "I'd put Colgate in the 25-35% range"
Let'sGoNova: "Villanova is probably on the lower end of the playoff contenders in the A-10"
BlackandGoldExpress: "I'll put us at 35% chance right now" (ASU)

Walking the fence:
Tribe4SF: "I don't think anyone's odds are better than 50-50... I do expect us to be in the mix."
txstatebobcat: "While its certainly possible, all kinds of things could go wrong."
catbob: "I'd say the Cats chances are pretty decent, but not sound by any means... I give us a 65% chance, maybe 70%"
JaxSinfonian: "Fair-to-middlin" :confused:
th0m: "I have no idea. What I do know is that a lot of people expect us to." (JMU)
Pantherpower: "If they avoid that... better than average."
kats89: "Will wait until conference starts to make a more educated guess."
dukester: "60% we make the playoffs" (JMU)
putter: "Griz have 50/50 shot"

Not holding back:
Killtoppers90: "I'd say that WKU will make the playoffs again"
ngineer: "I would say Lehigh's chances are about 80%"
youwouldno: "Very high (Furman)"
OLFU: "Ditto" (to above)
saint0917: "Umass has about a 75 to 80% chance of making the playoffs"
eaglesrthe1: "I say an 80% chance for the Eagles"
SamAdams: "UMass is pretty well loaded... I'd give them a 70% chance"
GreatAppSt: "I think the Apps can make it, our schedule thinks we can't."
JMU2004: "if we were in any other conference, 80% or higher"
ReedRothchild: "UNI's chances are strong to quite strong."
ChiefGSU275: "As for GSU, I think we will be in"

MrC. this would support your case for GSU fans. :nod:

Jeez,was I full of crap or what? Embarrassement is the word.xidiotx
August 8th, 2006, 02:32 AM
blukeys

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

BTW, far from scientific, but here's a thread from last year titled "What are the chances of your team making the playoffs..." and some of the results:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/foru...ead.php?t=2611

Sandbaggers (or in some cases just telling it like it is):

ChickenMan: "too many things will have to go well for UD to get to the eight wins needed for a playoff bid"
blukeys: "What you said CM"

It appears to me based on the 2005 season that Chickenman and myself were just telling it like it is. :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

For the record I am more optimistic about this team than last year's team!!!!:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
August 8th, 2006, 02:44 AM
AZGrizFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Yup. Second only to McNeese.

Sandbagging fans:
1. McNeese
2. Delaware
3. Georgia Southern
4. Colgate

Overestimating fans:
1. Southern/Grambling
2. Appalachian State
3. Massachusetts
4. Montana
:twocents:

That's funny Hen. Maybe in years past, but last year Montana fans were pretty realistic about our chances, given that we understood we had no real quarterback, and some big holes to fill. No one in Griz country was expecting much more than what we got---playoffs, and an early exit. I don't believe that makes us overestimaters.

This year, however, is a different story. NC or semifinals, or the season's a bust. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
August 8th, 2006, 08:12 AM
Prominent0ne

Quote:

OVERRATED

Funny, that's all I've read from SLU fans on boards on the internet. Because the Lions have 2 transfer RB's, they think they automatically win the SLC. I don't know if they notice, but they are also relying on a true freshman QB coming in and taking the reins.

They can say all they want, but i've read post after post elsewhere about Scholser coming in and beating out Babin.xlolx "Because he ran the same offense in high school".

All I'm saying is, they may be getting a little ahead of themselves. That and they seem to think because a major pass offense beat freshmen and sophomores 2 years in a row, it'll be easy to do it again.xidiotx Better think about what they're saying.
August 8th, 2006, 08:19 AM
OL FU

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

BTW, far from scientific, but here's a thread from last year titled "What are the chances of your team making the playoffs..." and some of the results:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/foru...ead.php?t=2611

Sandbaggers (or in some cases just telling it like it is):
ISUMatt: "Illinois State has a less than 5% chance to make the playoffs"
ChickenMan: "too many things will have to go well for UD to get to the eight wins needed for a playoff bid"
blukeys: "What you said CM"
rcny46: "I can envision UNH losing 4 or 5,and that will negate their chances this year IMHO."
poharry: "Slim and none and none is going for the door right now." (WIU)
dungeonjoe: "WoCo has about a 3 in 10 shot of going"
McNeese75: "Probably not, most likely no way!" (king of sandbagging ;) )
HuskyAlum: "NU's chances for the playoffs... slim and next to none"
buckp: "I'm starting to get nervous over our first game"
slyfox: "we are a MAJOR longshot" (Liberty)
golionsgo: "We're probably not at the point in our program where we're ready to make a playoff push but I do think we're good enough to spoil someone else's chance."
colgate13: "I'd put Colgate in the 25-35% range"
Let'sGoNova: "Villanova is probably on the lower end of the playoff contenders in the A-10"
BlackandGoldExpress: "I'll put us at 35% chance right now" (ASU)

Walking the fence:
Tribe4SF: "I don't think anyone's odds are better than 50-50... I do expect us to be in the mix."
txstatebobcat: "While its certainly possible, all kinds of things could go wrong."
catbob: "I'd say the Cats chances are pretty decent, but not sound by any means... I give us a 65% chance, maybe 70%"
JaxSinfonian: "Fair-to-middlin" :confused:
th0m: "I have no idea. What I do know is that a lot of people expect us to." (JMU)
Pantherpower: "If they avoid that... better than average."
kats89: "Will wait until conference starts to make a more educated guess."
dukester: "60% we make the playoffs" (JMU)
putter: "Griz have 50/50 shot"

Not holding back:
Killtoppers90: "I'd say that WKU will make the playoffs again"
ngineer: "I would say Lehigh's chances are about 80%"
youwouldno: "Very high (Furman)"
OLFU: "Ditto" (to above)saint0917: "Umass has about a 75 to 80% chance of making the playoffs"
eaglesrthe1: "I say an 80% chance for the Eagles"
SamAdams: "UMass is pretty well loaded... I'd give them a 70% chance"
GreatAppSt: "I think the Apps can make it, our schedule thinks we can't."
JMU2004: "if we were in any other conference, 80% or higher"
ReedRothchild: "UNI's chances are strong to quite strong."
ChiefGSU275: "As for GSU, I think we will be in"

MrC. this would support your case for GSU fans. :nod:

And we were right too:nod: :D While still confident, I would not be nearly as certain this year:)

I think the Sandbagging of GSU fans and overestimating of ASU fans are recent changes:nod:
August 8th, 2006, 09:11 AM
Saint3333

ASU does tend to perform better when they are ranked lower, see last year. Years when ASU was ranked preseason in the top 5-10 1996 and 2001 both teams finish 7-4, no playoffs. Let's hope things change...
August 8th, 2006, 09:23 AM
McNeese75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint3333

ASU does tend to perform better when they are ranked lower, see last year. Years when ASU was ranked preseason in the top 5-10 1996 and 2001 both teams finish 7-4, no playoffs. Let's hope things change...

It's always easier when you are not carrying the target on your back. This year will be the true test for ASU :nod:
August 8th, 2006, 11:08 AM
AppGuy04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint3333

ASU does tend to perform better when they are ranked lower, see last year. Years when ASU was ranked preseason in the top 5-10 1996 and 2001 both teams finish 7-4, no playoffs. Let's hope things change...

But this is a first for us, so maybe that trend doesn't apply

BTW, why do these threads always turn into an argument as to whether we need a preseason poll or no polls at all. How about we just talk about the poll.
August 8th, 2006, 11:21 AM
Tailbone

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Yup. .......Overestimating fans:
.....
4. Montana
:twocents:

Ha! Virtually every Griz fan who has commented on this year's ranking has felt that the Griz were ranked too high.

Of course, it's hard to be guilty of overestimation when the Griz have been to 5 NC games in 10 years! :)
August 8th, 2006, 11:35 AM
89Hen

Quote:

Originally Posted by umassfan

What are we overestimating?

Puh-lease. I was generous putting you at #3 only because you haven't been around much recently. :rolleyes:
August 8th, 2006, 11:53 AM
89Hen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tailbone

Ha! Virtually every Griz fan who has commented on this year's ranking has felt that the Griz were ranked too high.

Just my perception.

"I will say that the majority of the Griz Nation are anticipating a deep playoff run" -Ronbo

"we Griz fans (and early polls) mostly think the Griz will be very good this year" -CrunchGriz

"I am a big GRIZ fan and I think we will go deep into the playoffs this year." -Grizzaholic

:twocents:
August 8th, 2006, 01:25 PM
Tailbone

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Just my perception.

"I will say that the majority of the Griz Nation are anticipating a deep playoff run" -Ronbo

"we Griz fans (and early polls) mostly think the Griz will be very good this year" -CrunchGriz

"I am a big GRIZ fan and I think we will go deep into the playoffs this year." -Grizzaholic

:twocents:

ProudGrizMan: Griz might be top-10, but plenty of question marks for a #4. Just my two cents worth.

Grizzly Ed: With the chance of upsetting my fellow Griz fans, I think that anything in the top 5 is too high for the Griz.

ProudGrizMan: I agree Ed, UM has some significant question marks and is on a two game losing streak (possibly three with 1-A power Iowa upcoming).

CrunchGriz: I can certainly see where you're coming from on this, but I voted the Griz at #4

CrunchGriz: While many of us Griz fans are very much looking forward to the upcoming season, few think we're a number one team at this point--top ten, probably...okay, maybe even top five

Ronbo: Hey like I say I'm happy if the Griz make the top ten. .... We will drop from the top 5 in the second week of polls anyway .....

Apparently, the majority of I-AA fans are guilty of similar optimism concerning the Griz.........

Any Given Saturday Poll Preseason Top 25
(First place votes in parenthesis)
1. Appalachian State (45)
2. New Hampshire (31)
3. Northern Iowa (7)
4. Montana (2)
5. Furman (2)

and, you appear to be more guilty of overestimating Griz potential than Griz fans

89Hen: I think 1 for Montana is more realistic than 13 for the Hens (too high) IMO.

Nice try...... NEXT! :smiley_wi
August 8th, 2006, 01:44 PM
89Hen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tailbone

89Hen: I think 1 for Montana is more realistic than 13 for the Hens (too high) IMO.

Nah, that proves my point of saying the Hen fans are the second biggest sandbaggers around. :nod: :p :thumbsup:

BTW, these favor my side IMO...

CrunchGriz: I can certainly see where you're coming from on this, but I voted the Griz at #4

CrunchGriz: While many of us Griz fans are very much looking forward to the upcoming season, few think we're a number one team at this point--top ten, probably...okay, maybe even top five
August 8th, 2006, 02:28 PM
CrunchGriz

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Nah, that proves my point of saying the Hen fans are the second biggest sandbaggers around. :nod: :p :thumbsup:

BTW, these favor my side IMO...

CrunchGriz: I can certainly see where you're coming from on this, but I voted the Griz at #4

CrunchGriz: While many of us Griz fans are very much looking forward to the upcoming season, few think we're a number one team at this point--top ten, probably...okay, maybe even top five

Since I seem to be the unwilling subject of this debate, let me ask this:

If I'm the prime suspect you can find about Griz fans being homers as far as ranking, how much of a homer are Griz fans, really, if my preseason ranking for the Griz (#4) is exactly the same as the overall ranking by everyone else in the preseason poll?

Jus' sayin'....

Doesn't sound terribly "homerish" to me.
August 8th, 2006, 02:37 PM
89Hen

Let's not go overboard, nobody said 'homerism'. 'Overestimating' was the only word I could come up with for not sandbagging. Probably should have just said Biggest Sandbaggers and Least Sandbaggers. There are fans from every team and every conference that are Homers, but I don't think I'd classify any one group as 'homers'.
August 8th, 2006, 02:53 PM
CrunchGriz

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Let's not go overboard, nobody said 'homerism'. 'Overestimating' was the only word I could come up with for not sandbagging. Probably should have just said Biggest Sandbaggers and Least Sandbaggers. There are fans from every team and every conference that are Homers, but I don't think I'd classify any one group as 'homers'.

You focussed on semantics, but didn't answer my question.
August 8th, 2006, 03:03 PM
elkmcc

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Just my perception.

"I will say that the majority of the Griz Nation are anticipating a deep playoff run" -Ronbo

"we Griz fans (and early polls) mostly think the Griz will be very good this year" -CrunchGriz

"I am a big GRIZ fan and I think we will go deep into the playoffs this year." -Grizzaholic

:twocents:

I find it hard to believe that there are Griz fans out there that don't think the Griz will be tough in the post-season. Montana has never lost a quarter-final or semi-final game at Wa/Griz. IMO barring major injuries the Griz will make a deep run in the playoffs, if Cal Poly doesn't say otherwise. They could prove to be a major obstacle for the Griz.
August 8th, 2006, 03:15 PM
umassfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Puh-lease. I was generous putting you at #3 only because you haven't been around much recently. :rolleyes:

You put us at 3 because like I attack Delaware, you attack UMass
August 8th, 2006, 04:49 PM
GeauxLions94

Quote:

Originally Posted by McNeese75

That just really burns your azz don't it???xlolx

No not really. Losing on Nov. 4 would though :smiley_wi
August 8th, 2006, 04:57 PM
GeauxColonels

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Yup. Second only to McNeese.

Sandbagging fans:
1. McNeese
2. Delaware
3. Georgia Southern
4. Colgate

Overestimating fans:
1. Southern/Grambling
2. Appalachian State
3. Massachusetts
4. Montana
:twocents:

And Nicholls State fans are the most perfect!! :D
August 8th, 2006, 05:11 PM
Lionsrking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prominent0ne

Funny, that's all I've read from SLU fans on boards on the internet. Because the Lions have 2 transfer RB's, they think they automatically win the SLC.

I challenge you to quote one post where a Southeastern fan made that claim. Just because your jealous they didn't go to McNeese doesn't mean you have to make stuff up.
August 8th, 2006, 05:33 PM
89Hen

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrunchGriz

You focussed on semantics, but didn't answer my question.

Well I just wanted to make it clear that nobody had mentioned the word "homerism" before you did so in quotes as to suggest that somebody did, at least that's how I read it.

If you'd like an answer to your question, a sandbagger will never admit to being #1 (or in this case #4).

I have nothing but respect for Griz fans, but my lists were people who were sandbaggers and people who aren't.
August 8th, 2006, 05:37 PM
89Hen

Quote:

Originally Posted by umassfan

You put us at 3 because like I attack Delaware, you attack UMass

If that were the case I would have put you #1. I put you three because your fans think you are going to be 9-2 every year and are amazed when you don't make the playoffs. I'm certainly not alone in finding UMass fans to be quite arguementative toward any negative comments about UMass. If somebody say, boy Ricky Santos is an awsome QB, your first response is, well you should see Coen (or Day or whomever your flavor of the year may be). xcoffeex
August 8th, 2006, 06:18 PM
DTSpider

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

If that were the case I would have put you #1. I put you three because your fans think you are going to be 9-2 every year and are amazed when you don't make the playoffs. I'm certainly not alone in finding UMass fans to be quite arguementative toward any negative comments about UMass. If somebody say, boy Ricky Santos is an awsome QB, your first response is, well you should see Coen (or Day or whomever your flavor of the year may be). xcoffeex

There's one things that I think need to get clarified here.

First, I think that most college students tend to be over the top homers. It's just their knowledge based & exposure. If you look at UMass fans on this site I think you'll see a divide between those like UMass74 & MassMan. 74 is very humble, MassMan is a homer in the worst way.

89, you can also compare this to JMU fans. The students think that JMU will go 11-1 every year, while some of the older crowd just hopes to be in the playoff race. Just watch them argue about whether 7-4 is a good season. It's probably because I have the most exposure to JMU fans, but there is definitely a divide.

Of course, being a homer or sandbagger doesn't make you a bad fan at all. As long as your not obnoxious, it's fine to be one or the other. If you're interested in other teams in addition to your own I'm happy to have you on board whether you're a homer, sandbagger, or neutral. Being involved & opinionated is better than not caring.
August 8th, 2006, 06:26 PM
GeauxLions94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prominent0ne

Funny, that's all I've read from SLU fans on boards on the internet. Because the Lions have 2 transfer RB's, they think they automatically win the SLC. I don't know if they notice, but they are also relying on a true freshman QB coming in and taking the reins.

Where have you seen posts about us winning the SLC crown except for my signature :p We'll be a much better team than in 2005 thanks to increased depth at running back (the most we've ever had). Lucas and Perry are the main ingrediants there and they are expected to carry the load, but we also have Mario Gilbert back to go along with Matt Betts, Dremell Adams, Sam Savoy, Blake Alfortish and Co.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prominent0ne

They can say all they want, but i've read post after post elsewhere about Scholser coming in and beating out Babin.xlolx "Because he ran the same offense in high school".

Again, where??? Sure Schlosser ran the same offense in high school. But so did Martin Hankins when he was a senior in 2002 and he came in and beat out Babin as a true freshman. We've put a lot of pressure on the QB to perform (Hankins and Trey Willie) thanks to no depth in running game and they ran the offense quite well. Now, the pressure isn't going to be on the QB ... he just has to be an effective leader which any of the three (Seth Babin, Brian Babin and Schlosser) can be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prominent0ne

All I'm saying is, they may be getting a little ahead of themselves. That and they seem to think because a major pass offense beat freshmen and sophomores 2 years in a row, it'll be easy to do it again.xidiotx Better think about what they're saying.

Your freshmen and sophomores have grown a bit ... but so have ours - some of the same ones who have :asswhip: you 88-30 in the last two meetings. And to add to the fact the McNeese defense was ranked sixth in scoring defense, allowing nearly 32 points last season, last season and fifth in total defense (we were third in both categories BTW).

As for scoring offense, Southeastern ranked fourth (27.9) while McNeese was sixth. And despite our leading rusher (a quarterback) finishing with under 500 yards on the ground, we finished fifth in the league in rushing offense (122.6) ahead of .... Sam Houston State (115.4) and McNeese State (108.4)

Last year, according to game capsules in the 2006 SLU Media Guide, we ran for 158 yards on 41 attempts while throwing the ball 37 times. Three of our five touchdowns came on the ground, including a 39-yarder by Jerald Watson.

All I'm saying is this ... McNeese State will be better this year, but not much better (not good to be the team with the target on its back when you've been used for target practice the past two seasons). :twocents:
August 8th, 2006, 06:40 PM
CrunchGriz

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89Hen

Well I just wanted to make it clear that nobody had mentioned the word "homerism" before you did so in quotes as to suggest that somebody did, at least that's how I read it.

If you'd like an answer to your question, a sandbagger will never admit to being #1 (or in this case #4).

I have nothing but respect for Griz fans, but my lists were people who were sandbaggers and people who aren't.

Okay, I can see how you read what I wrote as a direct quote. I didn't intend it that way--I had just forgotten the exact word used to describe this group of over-exuberant fanbases. What was written was "overestimating" fans, and Griz fans were included in that group.

I was listed as a prime example of this, and I noted that I had voted the Griz in at #4 on the preseason poll, the same spot at which the entire AGS community (of voters) had pegged them.

Thus, I have to say that I'm not overestimating. I'm not sandbagging. I'm trying to be honest--with what admittedly limited information I have at the moment, about the Griz and everyone else.

Somehow I think you're conflating Ronbo's maroon-colored glasses (and consequent posts about anything and everything Griz-related as the best or near best in I-AA) with general Griz fan overestimation. (No offense, Ronbo--fans come in all stripes, and I'd much rather read your pro-Griz stuff than some of the unbelievably negative things you see over on eGriz on a daily basis.)

Heck, what do I know? The Griz could go down in flames this year.

Or not....

I am more than willing to admit that they will drop after Week 1. Sorry, staunch Griz believers--just trying to be realistic here, too.
August 8th, 2006, 06:50 PM
MarkCCU

Coastal is 25.....we'll be making our way up the poll
August 8th, 2006, 10:00 PM
mikebigg

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Originally Posted by SmallCollegeFootballFan

DEFENDING CHAMP APPALACHIAN STATE OPENS 2006 AS NO. 1 in I-AA
New Hampshire, Montana Round Out the Top Three

PHILADELPHIA, Pa. (Sports Network)—With 17 starters returning from last year’s national championship squad, the Appalachian State Mountaineers begin the 2006 season as the number one team in The Sports Network Top 25. The Mountaineers garner the top spot in the preseason poll for the first time in school history. The only other time that Appalachian State reached the top spot was after last season’s title game. This season, a national panel of media and sports information directors has predicted that the Mountaineers can win two in a row. The NCAA I-AA championship will be played in Chattanooga, TN on December 15.

Last season, head coach Jerry Moore led the Mountaineers to an 8-3 regular season mark and the Southern Conference title before advancing to the I-AA title game for the first time in school history. After earning the No. 2 seed in the I-AA playoffs, the Mountaineers knocked off Lafayette, Southern Illinois and Furman before defeating Northern Iowa, 21-16, in the title game. The Mountaineers’ No. 1 selection marks the sixth time in the past seven seasons, and third year in a row, that the defending champion earned the top spot in the preseason rankings. Appalachian State received 68 of a possible 94 first-place votes and 2,306 points overall to earn the No. 1 ranking.

New Hampshire picked up 14 first-place votes and 2,153 points to claim the No. 2 position heading into the 2006 campaign. The Wildcats fell, 24-21, to Northern Iowa in last year’s quarterfinals and finished the season ranked No. 5. New Hampshire held the No. 1 ranking for five weeks during the 2005 season and earned the top seed in the playoffs.

Montana claimed the No. 3 spot in the preseason for the third year in a row, and placed in the preseason top five for the 13th consecutive year. The Grizzlies picked up five first-place votes and 1,954 points. After last year’s run to the title game, Northern Iowa is at No. 4 with three first-place votes and 1,936 points. Furman came in just behind the Grizzlies and Panthers, as the Paladins landed at No. 5 with 1,928 points.

After advancing to last year’s quarterfinals, Cal Poly begins the season at No. 6. The Mustangs are followed by Youngstown State at No. 7, James Madison at No. 8, Illinois State at No. 9 and Massachusetts at No. 10.

Southland Conference preseason favorite McNeese State starts at No. 11, with Georgia Southern at No. 12, Hampton at No. 13, Eastern Illinois at No. 14 and Richmond at No. 15.

The next five positions are occupied by Delaware at No. 16, Southern Illinois at No. 17, Texas State at No. 18, North Dakota State at No. 19 and Eastern Kentucky at No. 20.

Rounding out the top 25 is UC Davis at No. 21, Montana State at No. 22, Grambling State at No. 23, Nicholls State at No. 24 and Coastal Carolina at No. 25.

The Atlantic 10 leads all I-AA leagues with five teams in the Top 25, while the Gateway Conference placed four teams in the rankings. Each league placed three teams in the top 10. The Southland, Southern and Great West Football Conferences each notched three selections, and 10 conferences were represented by at least one team in the rankings.

The first Sports Network I-AA Top 25 poll of the regular season will be announced Monday, September 4th.

The Sports Network 2006 Preseason I-AA College Football Poll

Team (First-place votes) 2005 Record Points 2005 Final Rank
1. Appalachian State (68) 12-3 2,306 1
2. New Hampshire (14) 11-2 2,153 5
3. Montana (5) 8-4 1,954 12
4. Northern Iowa (3) 11-4 1,936 2
5. Furman (1) 11-3 1,928 3
6. Cal Poly (3) 9-4 1,846 6
7. Youngstown State 8-3 1,446 14
8. James Madison 7-4 1,338 25
9. Illinois State 7-4 1,297 22
10. Massachusetts 7-4 1,170 19
11. McNeese State 5-4 1,006 NR
12. Georgia Southern 8-4 967 9
13. Hampton 11-1 939 10
14. Eastern Illinois 9-3 865 16
15. Richmond 9-4 835 8
16. Delaware 6-5 815 NR
17. Southern Illinois 9-4 809 7
18 Texas State 11-3 770 4
19. North Dakota State 7-4 713 NR
20. Eastern Kentucky 7-4 709 NR
21. UC Davis 6-5 576 NR
22. Montana State 7-4 550 18
23. Grambling State 11-1 511 11
24. Nicholls State 6-4 378 17
25. Coastal Carolina 9-2 356 24

Others receiving votes (in order of points, minimum of five required): Eastern Washington 307, Colgate 292, Idaho State 244, South Carolina State 233, Lafayette 228, Western Kentucky 179, Brown 149, Lehigh 100, Harvard 96, Portland State 92, Hofstra 91, Northwestern State 68, Southeastern Louisiana 37, Weber State 29, Alabama A & M 27, William & Mary 25, Jacksonville State 24, Missouri State 18, Penn 17, Southern 14, Chattanooga 13, Stephen F. Austin 12, Mississippi Valley State 11, South Dakota State 10, Wofford 9, Jackson State 8, Western Illinois 8, Alcorn State 7, Western Carolina 7, Murray State 6, Maine 5.

Help me to understand... Are the rankings based on the upcoming year or the previous season? Has a thorough evaluation of the returning players, transfers, signees, been considered. What about Coaching changes and things like that? The reason I asked is to understand why teams with 4 losses and less than 9 wins are ranked in the top ten. I counted 5 teams in the top ten who have less than 9 wins? The 11th team was 5-4 and unranked last year...why such a jump in the preseason. Gotta feel for Hampton and TxState who both won 11 games last year, and were in the playoffs. The both got teams shafted...I think both of them got a lot of good players returning. Some of their guys are on some of the All-American teams. What's the deal? Grambling loses 1 game to a D1 BCS team, return about 8 starters on each side of the ball. Why were we dissed outside of the top 20? There are seven teams in D1AA who won 11 or more games last year... of those seven only two had a one game loss.

So if someone could explain to me why Hampton, Texas State and Grambling got such a low ranking and if the same consistency was applied to those less than 10 win teams above them, I will be very interested in knowing!
August 8th, 2006, 10:09 PM
mikebigg

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Originally Posted by 89Hen

Yup. Second only to McNeese.

Sandbagging fans:
1. McNeese
2. Delaware
3. Georgia Southern
4. Colgate

Overestimating fans:
1. Southern/Grambling
2. Appalachian State
3. Massachusetts
4. Montana
:twocents:

Who ? xlolx xlolx
August 8th, 2006, 10:32 PM
McNeese75

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Originally Posted by GeauxLions94

Where have you seen posts about us winning the SLC crown except for my signature :p We'll be a much better team than in 2005 thanks to increased depth at running back (the most we've ever had). Lucas and Perry are the main ingrediants there and they are expected to carry the load, but we also have Mario Gilbert back to go along with Matt Betts, Dremell Adams, Sam Savoy, Blake Alfortish and Co.

Again, where??? Sure Schlosser ran the same offense in high school. But so did Martin Hankins when he was a senior in 2002 and he came in and beat out Babin as a true freshman. We've put a lot of pressure on the QB to perform (Hankins and Trey Willie) thanks to no depth in running game and they ran the offense quite well. Now, the pressure isn't going to be on the QB ... he just has to be an effective leader which any of the three (Seth Babin, Brian Babin and Schlosser) can be.

Your freshmen and sophomores have grown a bit ... but so have ours - some of the same ones who have :asswhip: you 88-30 in the last two meetings. And to add to the fact the McNeese defense was ranked sixth in scoring defense, allowing nearly 32 points last season, last season and fifth in total defense (we were third in both categories BTW).

As for scoring offense, Southeastern ranked fourth (27.9) while McNeese was sixth. And despite our leading rusher (a quarterback) finishing with under 500 yards on the ground, we finished fifth in the league in rushing offense (122.6) ahead of .... Sam Houston State (115.4) and McNeese State (108.4)

Last year, according to game capsules in the 2006 SLU Media Guide, we ran for 158 yards on 41 attempts while throwing the ball 37 times. Three of our five touchdowns came on the ground, including a 39-yarder by Jerald Watson.

All I'm saying is this ... McNeese State will be better this year, but not much better (not good to be the team with the target on its back when you've been used for target practice the past two seasons). :twocents:

And the Lions will melt into the sunset as they have the last two years :nod:
August 8th, 2006, 10:49 PM
Lionsrking

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Originally Posted by McNeese75

And the Lions will melt into the sunset as they have the last two years :nod:

We have?
August 8th, 2006, 11:07 PM
ButlerGSU

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Originally Posted by 89Hen

Yup. Second only to McNeese.

Sandbagging fans:
1. McNeese
2. Delaware
3. Georgia Southern
4. Colgate

Overestimating fans:
1. Southern/Grambling
2. Appalachian State
3. Massachusetts
4. Montana
:twocents:

I don't think it's sandbagging, Georgia Southern has too many questions this season to deserve a #12 ranking. IMO.
August 8th, 2006, 11:30 PM
Mr. C

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Originally Posted by mikebigg

Help me to understand... Are the rankings based on the upcoming year or the previous season? Has a thorough evaluation of the returning players, transfers, signees, been considered. What about Coaching changes and things like that? The reason I asked is to understand why teams with 4 losses and less than 9 wins are ranked in the top ten. I counted 5 teams in the top ten who have less than 9 wins? The 11th team was 5-4 and unranked last year...why such a jump in the preseason. Gotta feel for Hampton and TxState who both won 11 games last year, and were in the playoffs. The both got teams shafted...I think both of them got a lot of good players returning. Some of their guys are on some of the All-American teams. What's the deal? Grambling loses 1 game to a D1 BCS team, return about 8 starters on each side of the ball. Why were we dissed outside of the top 20? There are seven teams in D1AA who won 11 or more games last year... of those seven only two had a one game loss.

So if someone could explain to me why Hampton, Texas State and Grambling got such a low ranking and if the same consistency was applied to those less than 10 win teams above them, I will be very interested in knowing!

In Texas State's case, the Bobcats lost the bulk of their squad that went to the semifinals last year. including All-Americans Barrick Nealy at QB and Fred Evans at DL. Last year was the first Southland Conference championship ever for the Bobcats, so most people think they will be rebuilding this year.

Hampton has some good talent back, but a lot of voters were probably less than impressed with the way the Pirates playes in the playoffs last year. The MEAC hasn't won a playoff game since 1999, so Hampton probably has to prove itself again this year (with a pretty weak schedule again after the opener against Grambling).

Grambling is likely suffering in support because of the graduation of Bruce Eugene. Even though some people know that the Tigers are in pretty good shape at QB, a lot don't remember that your QB came in for Eugene two years ago when Eugene suffered a season-ending knee injury in the opening game. A win over Hampton would go a long way to giving the Tigers a boost in the poll.

In my mind, the poll isn't about how many games you won last year, but what you have coming back this season. There are also teams that get votes because they are traditionally strong. Personally, I can't see why anyone would rank teams like Georgia Southern, Southern Illinois and Texas State, with all of the questions these schools have.
August 8th, 2006, 11:57 PM
AppGuy04

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Originally Posted by Mr. C

In Texas State's case, the Bobcats lost the bulk of their squad that went to the semifinals last year. including All-Americans Barrick Nealy at QB and Fred Evans at DL. Last year was the first Southland Conference championship ever for the Bobcats, so most people thinkthey will be rebuilding this year.

Hampton has some good talent back, but a lot of voters were probably less than impressed with the way the Pirates playes in the playoffs last year. The MEAC hasn't won a playoff game since 1999, so Hampton probably has to prove itself again this year (with a pretty weak schedule again after the opener against Grambling).

Grambling is likely suffering in support because of the graduation of Bruce Eugene. Even though some people know that the Tigers are in pretty good shape at QB, a lot don't remember that your QB came in for Eugene two years ago when Eugene suffered a season-ending knee injury in the opening game. A win over Hampton would go a long way to giving the Tigers a boost in the poll.

In my mind, the poll isn't about how many games you won last year, but what you have coming back this season. There are also teams that get votes because they are traditionally strong. Personally, I can't see why anyone would rank teams like Georgia Southern, Southern Illinois and Texas State, with all of the questions these schools have.

great analysis C, I agree on all points. Honestly, Grambling losing Bruce is the reason I have them ranked below Southern this year.
August 9th, 2006, 01:06 AM
blukeys

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Originally Posted by ButlerGSU

I don't think it's sandbagging, Georgia Southern has too many questions this season to deserve a #12 ranking. IMO.

89's impressions go back to more than this year. Certain GSU posters complain that they will be lucky to win 7 games when they know their team is loaded. In terms of sandbagging I actually would place McNeese, GSU and Delaware as being really close. McNeese fans however are more colorful and VERY CONSISTENT. Having seen these preseason predictions for a few years now, My view is that ALL of the McNeese posters are champion sandbaggers!!!!!!:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

They whine and complain about their chances the way Tubby Raymond did in his prime.

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