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Rivalries: What is your preferred competition level?
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POD Knows
Why the **** would you want them to win another football game or be competitive in the conference or in state. Their program needs to be ground into the dust so they are competing for D3 prospects for football.
Do you want the games to be competitive so it is easier to scalp your Bison tickets, I see no other reason for wanting the games to be competitive.
A post on another thread leads me to this poll question:
Would you rather:
A. See your team's rival be a colossal failure, not be competitive in the slightest...with anybody, and your team beats them every year 60-0?
B. See your team's rival be very competitive, knowing that the game in which your team plays them will be exciting and may ultimately determine the conference champion?
C. Another option...to be described in a post.
By the way, I've been to every Bison home game (and almost every tailgate) since I moved back to Fargo over a decade ago, have been to Frisco six times, and the only time the Bison did not go to Frisco in that stretch, somebody from James Madison or Youngstown State purchased eight tickets at face value from me...so you decide on the scalping.
Also, I am actually thrilled that South Dakota State (current rival?) has been as tough as they have been since moving up with NDSU...and I hope they continue to be very competitive as well, just not better than NDSU. Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy it when NDSU destroys a rival...especially when that rival is not a conference doormat and the game is expected to be close/competitive.
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Rivalries, over the long term, need to be tightly contested. It does not matter whether the game is played for first place or last place.
Rivalries are also characterized by respect between the two schools. Respect is different than affection.
Rivalries are tough to come by in a football only league. However, I'm anticipating an eventual PFL rivalry between Augustana and Valparaiso. Lutherpalooza.
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For me as a Bison fan:
I want UND to go 0-11 every year. Pretty easy one.
SDSU? If they beat the Bison more then maybe that same feeling will come.
Other Valley teams? Beat them all.
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UND should discontinue football and focus on hockey. **** em.
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Bison Fan in NW MN
For me as a Bison fan:
I want UND to go 0-11 every year. Pretty easy one.
SDSU? If they beat the Bison more then maybe that same feeling will come.
Other Valley teams? Beat them all.
I can appreciate the sentiment, and I appreciate the post.
Hey, I want the Bison to go undefeated as well (or at the worst, take a loss during the regular season that grounds them but does not affect seeding much). If UND is 0-11 every year, and the Bison 11-0, is there even a point to this matchup, other than saying they can beat up on a weaker kid? With the Bison fans (and certainly FCS fans) being tired of watching blowouts (see attendance figures, especially for playoffs), the scenario proposed above for a good NDSU team playing a non-competitive UND team becomes exactly what many fans are complaining about. My opinion is simply that disparity between rivals makes for a crappy (or at least uninteresting) rivalry, and parity makes for better rivalries.
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Preferred Walk-On
I can appreciate the sentiment, and I appreciate the post.
Hey, I want the Bison to go undefeated as well (or at the worst, take a loss during the regular season that grounds them but does not affect seeding much). If UND is 0-11 every year, and the Bison 11-0, is there even a point to this matchup, other than saying they can beat up on a weaker kid? With the Bison fans (and certainly FCS fans) being tired of watching blowouts (see attendance figures, especially for playoffs), the scenario proposed above for a good NDSU team playing a non-competitive UND team becomes exactly what many fans are complaining about. My opinion is simply that disparity between rivals makes for a crappy (or at least uninteresting) rivalry, and parity makes for better rivalries.
The first time UND is competitive against or beats NDSU, those "many fans" will be calling for a coaches head. Book it.
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Preferred Walk-On
I can appreciate the sentiment, and I appreciate the post.
Hey, I want the Bison to go undefeated as well (or at the worst, take a loss during the regular season that grounds them but does not affect seeding much). If UND is 0-11 every year, and the Bison 11-0, is there even a point to this matchup, other than saying they can beat up on a weaker kid? With the Bison fans (and certainly FCS fans) being tired of watching blowouts (see attendance figures, especially for playoffs), the scenario proposed above for a good NDSU team playing a non-competitive UND team becomes exactly what many fans are complaining about. My opinion is simply that disparity between rivals makes for a crappy (or at least uninteresting) rivalry, and parity makes for better rivalries.
UND is our main rival no matter what is said by any fan.
They will get better and probably win a game soon, it will happen.
I love blowouts as with any other win.
For me there is no sense having a brutal OOC slate every year because the Valley is tough enough.
Entertaining?
Beating down UND annually would be awesome and our fanbase would love it.
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BisonFan02
The first time UND is competitive against or beats NDSU, those "many fans" will be calling for a coaches head. Book it.
What about the first time UND is competitive but still does not beat NDSU? Won't those victories be just a bit more meaningful, knowing that NDSU did not just beat on a weakling? BTW, "fans" were calling for Bohl's/Vigen's head in 2009, and they did not even play UND. Lose to UND but win a championship (conference and/or national), and I think those "many fans" will be less (but still there, because unfortunately, you cannot fix stupid).
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Bison Fan in NW MN
UND is our main rival no matter what is said by any fan.
They will get better and probably win a game soon, it will happen.
I love blowouts as with any other win.
For me there is no sense having a brutal OOC slate every year because the Valley is tough enough.
Entertaining?
Beating down UND annually would be awesome and our fanbase would love it.
It isn't just about beating down UND, it is about beating down a GOOD UND. I'm fine with the beatdown, just doesn't mean much (at least to me) if they suck. I don't want them to just be a proximity rival.
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BisonFan02
UND should discontinue football and focus on hockey. **** em.
Appreciate the sentiment, but not sure I follow the "**** 'em" argument though and why it makes for a better rivalry. xdrunkyx
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Preferred Walk-On
It isn't just about beating down UND, it is about beating down a GOOD UND. I'm fine with the beatdown, just doesn't mean much (at least to me) if they suck. I don't want them to just be a proximity rival.
Why does UND have to be "good" for it to be a good rivalry?
The Bison could win the next 16 head/head games and win 16 titles and UND rubes would say...." at least we have the better head/head record"........THAT is a true rivalry!!
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GFCC going 0-11and getting curbed stomped by the Bison is a good year.
GFCC going 0-11, getting curbed stomped by the Bison, and beating SDSU is a great year.
GFCC going 0-11, getting curbed stomped by the Bison, beating SDSU, and winning the Natty, priceless.
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As much as I love to taunt the Mocs fans I truly hope they come into our place swinging this season. My favorite games since I've been at JSU are our games with UTC in 2014 and 2015, not because we won, but because they were REALLY damn good football games.... But also because we won. :D
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Bison Fan in NW MN
Why does UND have to be "good" for it to be a good rivalry?
The Bison could win the next 16 head/head games and win 16 titles and UND rubes would say...." at least we have the better head/head record"........THAT is a true rivalry!!
Fine, I guess the Bison could just be bad to generate parity, although this is definitely not my preferred method to have a good rivalry.
I won't argue the validity of your second part, other than to say that if it were the opposite direction (Bizarro world), the 0-16 NDSU rubes would do the same thing. Now, I doubt very much that it will be the opposite, but I do know that every team has rubes. IMO, that doesn't make it a rivalry, that just makes those people sound stupid. Also, you forgot that those particular rubes would also point out the illegitimacy of/make excuses for each of the 16 wins and championships, just sayin'.:D
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TheKingpin28
GFCC going 0-11and getting curbed stomped by the Bison is a good year.
GFCC going 0-11, getting curbed stomped by the Bison, and beating SDSU is a great year.
GFCC going 0-11, getting curbed stomped by the Bison, beating SDSU, and winning the Natty, priceless.
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You realize that GFCC is the subject of those sentences? :D
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Quick, name your favorite non-proximity rivalry. Now, why is it a rivalry?
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SDSU is the perfect rival. Competitive but always behind the shadow.
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Model Citizen
Rivalries, over the long term, need to be tightly contested. It does not matter whether the game is played for first place or last place.
Rivalries are also characterized by respect between the two schools. Respect is different than affection.
Rivalries are tough to come by in a football only league. However, I'm anticipating an eventual PFL rivalry between Augustana and Valparaiso. Lutherpalooza.
Valpo is a basketball school and I'm not sure how much interest the football team draws. I would guess that there would be more interest on campus and with parents in a game against Augustana College than one against Augustana University.
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Preferred Walk-On
Quick, name your favorite non-proximity rivalry. Now, why is it a rivalry?
I suppose UND and SDSU are proximity rivals.
Non?
I guess besides UNI, the only other conference teams that really move the needle for me are YSU and ILL State.
Not sure if we have an OOC rival.
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Preferred Walk-On
I can appreciate the sentiment, and I appreciate the post.
Hey, I want the Bison to go undefeated as well (or at the worst, take a loss during the regular season that grounds them but does not affect seeding much). If UND is 0-11 every year, and the Bison 11-0, is there even a point to this matchup, other than saying they can beat up on a weaker kid? With the Bison fans (and certainly FCS fans) being tired of watching blowouts (see attendance figures, especially for playoffs), the scenario proposed above for a good NDSU team playing a non-competitive UND team becomes exactly what many fans are complaining about. My opinion is simply that disparity between rivals makes for a crappy (or at least uninteresting) rivalry, and parity makes for better rivalries.
Who the hell says they should be our rival, beat them to dust, reduce their presence in the division and get rid of them. Answer me this, if you asked a coach for the Bison if they would prefer "parity" with that school from the north and the Bison coach answered, "well, shucks, yea, we want them to be good so we can play competitive games against them", that Bison coach should have his ass handed to him and ran out of town. The correct answer is that the Bison should beat them by 40 every year until they cancel their ****ing program like they did with women's hockey.
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Preferred Walk-On
Quick, name your favorite non-proximity rivalry. Now, why is it a rivalry?
We don't have one, if we did it would be SHSU because of the playoffs and the Natty's. Maybe Montana or EWU. UND in football currently is not a rivalry and when we beat their ass by 30 this year, all they will be is a conference cupcake.
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Preferred Walk-On
Appreciate the sentiment, but not sure I follow the "**** 'em" argument though and why it makes for a better rivalry. xdrunkyx
Let me guess, you are one of these guys that hates blow outs. You leave at halftime because the Bison are smoking some unfortunate foe. Am I right?
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Catbooster
You realize that GFCC is the subject of those sentences? :D
I figured it was implied how it went along but yes, looking back on it, I get it.
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Bison Fan in NW MN
For me as a Bison fan:
I want UND to go 0-11 every year.
Really? I'd want my rival to win games outside the conference.
Mr. Potato Head may have expressed my sentiment best...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsYlxqOm2cA
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Model Citizen
Nope UND can lose every game from now until the end of time.
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Model Citizen
That commercial is a sham. The guy is Italian. The fighting Whouix can suck a big ole juicy one.
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Model Citizen
Pfft.....really?
No way.
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Bison Fan in NW MN
For me as a Bison fan:
I want UND to go 0-11 every year. Pretty easy one.
SDSU? If they beat the Bison more then maybe that same feeling will come.
Other Valley teams? Beat them all.
I voted I wanted a competitive game. Except for UND of course. Ive met way too many douche bags from that school.
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Bisonoline
I voted I wanted a competitive game. Except for UND of course. Ive met way too many douche bags from that school.
Were the games "chippy" when you played PL?
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I would say Lafayette is about where you want them since they are easily the #1 rival. Lafayette hasn't had a winning record since 2009, Lehigh has pretty much owned them since the mid 1970's yet the Leopards win just enough to keep things interesting.
The Lehigh/Colgate rivalry is about as even as it gets over the last 20-25 years.
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POD Knows
Who the hell says they should be our rival, beat them to dust, reduce their presence in the division and get rid of them. Answer me this, if you asked a coach for the Bison if they would prefer "parity" with that school from the north and the Bison coach answered, "well, shucks, yea, we want them to be good so we can play competitive games against them", that Bison coach should have his ass handed to him and ran out of town. The correct answer is that the Bison should beat them by 40 every year until they cancel their ****ing program like they did with women's hockey.
Well shucks, I'm not a coach.
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POD Knows
We don't have one, if we did it would be SHSU because of the playoffs and the Natty's. Maybe Montana or EWU. UND in football currently is not a rivalry and when we beat their ass by 30 this year, all they will be is a conference cupcake.
You mean a team that we have met multiple times, because they are good, might be considered a rivalry. I might even go as far as to say James Madison is a budding rivalry. Why? Because although we have only played them three times in FCS, they have provided great competition and might be considered our peer from the CAA, a similarly competitive conference to the MVFC.
By the way, in response to a previous post, I believe our coaches have commented numerous times about the quality of the MVFC in preparing teams for the playoffs. Having strong teams in the MVFC (including UND) probably helps NDSU.
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POD Knows
Let me guess, you are one of these guys that hates blow outs. You leave at halftime because the Bison are smoking some unfortunate foe. Am I right?
Actually, I never leave early. Don't hate blowouts, but I can tell you that a game against Southern Illinois really don't get me that excited either.
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Bisonoline
I voted I wanted a competitive game. Except for UND of course. Ive met way too many douche bags from that school.
I'm not talking about a competitive game. I'm talking about a competitive team. If both teams were 11-0, and NDSU blew them out, I would be just fine with that. The excitement leading up to the game would be better than if one team were 11-0 and the other 0-11.
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Preferred Walk-On
You mean a team that we have met multiple times, because they are good, might be considered a rivalry. I might even go as far as to say James Madison is a budding rivalry. Why? Because although we have only played them three times in FCS, they have provided great competition and might be considered our peer from the CAA, a similarly competitive conference to the MVFC.
By the way, in response to a previous post, I believe our coaches have commented numerous times about the quality of the MVFC in preparing teams for the playoffs. Having strong teams in the MVFC (including UND) probably helps NDSU.
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JMU is not a rival and never will be IMO. Potential good game in the playoffs? Sure.
True NDSU rivals now are SDSU and UND.
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Bison Fan in NW MN
Were the games "chippy" when you played PL?
UNI was chippy and dirty. Very dirty. UND they just liked to talk a lot.
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Preferred Walk-On
I'm not talking about a competitive game. I'm talking about a competitive team. If both teams were 11-0, and NDSU blew them out, I would be just fine with that. The excitement leading up to the game would be better than if one team were 11-0 and the other 0-11.
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Totally disagree.
Records will not matter when it comes to UND. I'm looking forward to this game the most along with the Butler game.
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With teams I hate, I always root against them and hope they suck every year. Teams I don’t hate/merely dislike but are rivals to my team (probably best example for me is the Giants in the NFL, who are one the Eagles’ biggest rivals, arguably their BIGGEST rival), I don’t mind if they are competitive and it is sweeter when my team beats them in an important game or series.
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Bisonoline
UNI was chippy and dirty. Very dirty. UND they just liked to talk a lot.
UNI is odd. Least friendly fanbase I've ever been around