AGS Top 25 Week 5 Results

[AGSPoll]

AGS Top 25 October 3, 2011

1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2580 80
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2468 6
3 North Dakota State Bison 2349 15
4 Montana State Bobcats 2336 2
5 Wofford Terriers 2246 1
6 James Madison Dukes 2041 0
7 New Hampshire Wildcats 2040 0
8 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1717 0
9 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1709 0
10 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1699 1
11 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1352
12 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1238
13 William & Mary Tribe 1233
14 Indiana State Sycamores 1164
15 Montana Grizzlies 1134
16 Richmond Spiders 1023
17 Maine Black Bears 949
18 McNeese State Cowboys 869
19 South Dakota Coyotes 496
20 Southern Illinois Salukis 487
21 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 483
22 Towson Tigers 384
23 Old Dominion Monarchs 355
24 Chattanooga Mocs 310
25 Furman Paladins 294


Most Significant Win: Wofford Terriers

Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs

Others Receiving Votes:

26 Liberty Flames 246
27 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 146
28 Holy Cross Crusaders 97
29 Norfolk State Spartans 95
30 Sacramento State Hornets 88
31 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 78
32 South Carolina State Bulldogs 65
33 Portland State Vikings 62
34 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 42
35 Cal Poly Mustangs 32
36 Harvard Crimson 28
37 Youngstown State Penguins 23
38 Bucknell Bison 22
39 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 17
40 Central Arkansas Bears 17

[F'N Hawks]

AGS Top 25 October 3, 2011

1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2580 80
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2468 6
3 North Dakota State Bison 2349 15
4 Montana State Bobcats 2336 2
5 Wofford Terriers 2246 1
6 James Madison Dukes 2041 0
7 New Hampshire Wildcats 2040 0
8 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1717 0
9 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1709 0
10 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1699 1
11 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1352
12 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1238
13 William & Mary Tribe 1233
14 Indiana State Sycamores 1164
15 Montana Grizzlies 1134
16 Richmond Spiders 1023
17 Maine Black Bears 949
18 McNeese State Cowboys 869
19 South Dakota Coyotes 496
20 Southern Illinois Salukis 487
21 Southern Utah Thunderbirds 483
22 Towson Tigers 384
23 Old Dominion Monarchs 355
24 Chattanooga Mocs 310
25 Furman Paladins 294


26 Liberty Flames 246
27 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 146
28 Holy Cross Crusaders 97
29 Norfolk State Spartans 95
30 Sacramento State Hornets 88
31 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 78
32 South Carolina State Bulldogs 65
33 Portland State Vikings 62
34 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 42
35 Cal Poly Mustangs 32
36 Harvard Crimson 28
37 Youngstown State Penguins 23
38 Bucknell Bison 22
39 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 17
40 Central Arkansas Bears 17

I see CS and AGS are both equally oblivious to game results.

[PantherRob82]

Why are they still ranked?:
20 Southern Illinois Salukis 487

Not sure they have earned it:
25 Furman Paladins 294


Surprised Not in Top 25:
28 Holy Cross Crusaders 97

[PantherRob82]

I see CS and AGS are both equally oblivious to game results.

You realize that one game might bring them down, and you up, but they still have a much better resume.

[steelbison]

Why are they still ranked?:
20 Southern Illinois Salukis 487

Not sure they have earned it:
25 Furman Paladins 294


Surprised Not in Top 25:
28 Holy Cross Crusaders 97


Totally agree!! Thinks about it SIU barely beat a bad MSU team at home and lose to WIU who could easily be the second worse team in the conference behind MSU

Also something to think about. Coach Lennon was pretty good with Kill's recruits...look at the last two years..not pretty in Carbondale...and getting worse every year.

[WileECoyote06]

I see CS and AGS are both equally oblivious to game results.

Coastal Carolina fans have even more reason to be mad than UND fans; owning a h-to-h win over furman, but Furman having seven times as many votes as them. Especially since Furman only had 55 votes last week.

Also, ODU benefitting from the win over UMass; but not having that Delaware loss held against them.

[superman7515]

Liberty #26.... One more loss and they won't get to 7 D1 wins... xsmhx

[bjtheflamesfan]

and yet they still may make the playoffs with the AQ

[WileECoyote06]

It shows that the committee and poll admins allow voters to vote their conscience. And 99% of the time, the results are great; especially compared to other polls.

[WestCoastAggie]

Coastal Carolina fans have even more reason to be mad than UND fans; owning a h-to-h win over furman, but Furman having seven times as many votes as them. Especially since Furman only had 55 votes last week.

Also, ODU benefitting from the win over UMass; but not having that Delaware loss held against them.

I don't think ODU should be ranked, at this point. I also agree with you on Coastal Carolina although I had both Furman and Coastal Carolina in my poll.

[appfan2008]

Pick it apart if you would like...

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: New Hampshire Wildcats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Wofford Terriers
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Sam Houston State Bearkats
14: Richmond Spiders
15: William & Mary Tribe
16: Southern Illinois Salukis
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Portland State Vikings
19: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Furman Paladins
22: Towson Tigers
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Old Dominion Monarchs
25: Appalachian State Mountaineers

[Reign of Terrier]

Furman should be ranked, as should Coastal at this point. Liberty maybe not yet

[WestCoastAggie]

Pick it apart if you would like...

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: New Hampshire Wildcats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Wofford Terriers
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Sam Houston State Bearkats
14: Richmond Spiders
15: William & Mary Tribe
16: Southern Illinois Salukis
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Portland State Vikings
19: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Furman Paladins
22: Towson Tigers
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Old Dominion Monarchs
25: Appalachian State Mountaineers

Being kind of tough on your team, don't you think?

[appfan2008]

Being kind of tough on your team, don't you think?

I really think not... I have been to all 5 games and for the most part been rather bummed about what I have seen... are they worthy of being higher I have seen no play consistant of a team that deserves to be higher....

[WileECoyote06]

I see Lehigh is finally getting some respect:




AGS Top 25 October 3, 2011

1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2580 80
2 Northern Iowa Panthers 2468 6
3 North Dakota State Bison 2349 15
4 Montana State Bobcats 2336 2
5 Wofford Terriers 2246 1
6 James Madison Dukes 2041 0
7 New Hampshire Wildcats 2040 0
8 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1717 0
9 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1709 0
10 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1699 1

And it's deserved. I had em in the top ten this week too. Keep it up!

[ccd494]

11 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1352
17 Maine Black Bears 949

Umm?

[crusader11]

I see Lehigh is finally getting some respect:



I wouldn't say "finally". They've been in the top 15 for most of the year, and catapulted into the top 10 after a thrashing of Yale and some other teams losing. The astute fans and voters know that Lehigh is legit.

[crusader11]

Umm?

Agree. I had Maine at 12 and Delaware at 14.

[Smitty]

Dang work kept me from voting this week...

[bjtheflamesfan]

and now for the weekly shredding of my poll:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Wofford Terriers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: James Madison Dukes
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Indiana State Sycamores
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Liberty Flames
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Sacramento State Hornets
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Towson Tigers
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Liberty Flames
25: Southern Utah Thunderbirds

[ccd494]

Anyone who has Delaware ranked not only above Maine, but 8 places above, should rethink whether they are competent to vote.

[crusader11]

Anyone who has Delaware ranked not only above Maine, but 8 places above, should rethink whether they are competent to vote.

Rep points!

[bjtheflamesfan]

My general rule when voting is that I drop a max of 8 positions from the previous week if a team loses to an unranked or ORV team...Ive done that pretty much every week *(except in cases where I just forgot to include certain teams). by that rule, Delaware was dropped 7 spots...to compensate and make you and other Maine fans happy, Id of had to slot Maine in at least 8th...and as good as the Black Bears have done this year...they are not a top 10 team as of yet

[crusader11]

You have Liberty ranked twice...

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Anyone who has Delaware ranked not only above Maine, but 8 places above, should rethink whether they are competent to vote.

The popular consensus on the poll seems to have UD still ranked higher. That being said, I was very impressed by Maine, and I ranked them above UD.


1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Indiana State Sycamores
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Appalachian State Mountaineers
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Towson Tigers
17: Old Dominion Monarchs
18: Furman Paladins
19: Holy Cross Crusaders
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
23: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
24: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
25: Richmond Spiders

[WileECoyote06]

Anyone who has Delaware ranked not only above Maine, but 8 places above, should rethink whether they are competent to vote.

Not really. If Maine wasn't in someone's top 25 last week and Delaware was in their top five or six, then this is very possible. Also add that the game occurred in Orono and Delaware was leading going into the fourth quarter. Yes it was an impressive upset, but not they type of devastating home loss that would result in a drop of 8 to 10 spots. Some people have a very conservative approach to how they rank teams.

[bjtheflamesfan]

You have Liberty ranked twice...

youre right! I'll PM agspoll immediately and have that fixed

[DSUrocks07]

Looks like it will be just one team for the MEAC in the playoffs this year. xnonono2x

My money is on Norfolk State. xnodx

[ccd494]

Not really. If Maine wasn't in someone's top 25 last week and Delaware was in their top five or six, then this is very possible. Also add that the game occurred in Orono and Delaware was leading going into the fourth quarter. Yes it was an impressive upset, but not they type of devastating home loss that would result in a drop of 8 to 10 spots. Some people have a very conservative approach to how they rank teams.

That's craziness. Just because you were completely wrong for two straight weeks about the relative merit of two teams, you are willing to be wrong again because you want to partially justify your previous wrongness?

[PantherRob82]

and now for the weekly shredding of my poll:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Wofford Terriers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: James Madison Dukes
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Indiana State Sycamores
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Liberty Flames
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Sacramento State Hornets
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Towson Tigers
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Liberty Flames
25: Southern Utah Thunderbirds

I think youre a little high on Jax St, and don't think SIU should be ranked, but you are getting better! :)

[PantherRob82]

Anyone who has Delaware ranked not only above Maine, but 8 places above, should rethink whether they are competent to vote.

Completely agree.

[bjtheflamesfan]

That isnt what he meant. BJ admitted to omitting teams from his ballot that he didnt mean to and that is understandable (especially with as many things he is trying to balance on here and offline). He had the same general methodology last year when voting so its not just some new excuse to justify some supposed "wrongness".

[katstrapper]

Pick it apart if you would like...

1: Northern Iowa Panthers
2: Georgia Southern Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: New Hampshire Wildcats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Wofford Terriers
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Sam Houston State Bearkats
14: Richmond Spiders
15: William & Mary Tribe
16: Southern Illinois Salukis
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Portland State Vikings
19: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Furman Paladins
22: Towson Tigers
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Old Dominion Monarchs
25: Appalachian State Mountaineers

McNeese two spots ahead of Sam Houston St?xconfusedx Guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Dane96]

My general rule when voting is that I drop a max of 8 positions from the previous week if a team loses to an unranked or ORV team...Ive done that pretty much every week *(except in cases where I just forgot to include certain teams). by that rule, Delaware was dropped 7 spots...to compensate and make you and other Maine fans happy, Id of had to slot Maine in at least 8th...and as good as the Black Bears have done this year...they are not a top 10 team as of yet

And this...is why you have no business voting.

Voting isn't some slotted thing: If a team ****s the bed, they **** they bed. As an example, an impressive 3-0 start against what proves to be less than stellar competition coupled with 2 losses to mid-level teams, and the emergence of a surprise team (let's say for example, Maine) should allow you to use common sense to raise one higher than 8 spots or lower.

It's great you have a plan...but you consistently are suspect by leaving out teams or double slotting teams, and more suspect with your rigidity with regards to your "plan" that makes no allowances for facts.

[Dane96]

That's craziness. Just because you were completely wrong for two straight weeks about the relative merit of two teams, you are willing to be wrong again because you want to partially justify your previous wrongness?

THIS.

BRAVO!!!!!

[Dane96]

That isnt what he meant. BJ admitted to omitting teams from his ballot that he didnt mean to and that is understandable (especially with as many things he is trying to balance on here and offline). He had the same general methodology last year when voting so its not just some new excuse to justify some supposed "wrongness".

No, sorry...it is not understandable. He has done this almost every week. That's incompetance and lack of attention to detail.

In addition, we all have plenty of things to balance on here and offline (as you put it) so I dont think that is a valid excuse.

[jhanel]

Here goes my shot at it:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Wofford Terriers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Appalachian State Mountaineers
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Maine Black Bears
19: Furman Paladins
20: Old Dominion Monarchs
21: Towson Tigers
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
25: Liberty Flames

jhanel

[Milktruck74]

Coastal Carolina fans have even more reason to be mad than UND fans; owning a h-to-h win over furman, but Furman having seven times as many votes as them. Especially since Furman only had 55 votes last week.

Also, ODU benefitting from the win over UMass; but not having that Delaware loss held against them.

Furple is getting votes due to Chris Forcier finding his stride at the QB position. I'm ok with FU ahead of CCU because I think FU would win in a h2h this week!!!! I'm not voting on week one, otherwise EWU would still be in the top 10.

[TypicalTribe]

My Take

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: James Madison Dukes
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Towson Tigers
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Indiana State Sycamores
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Old Dominion Monarchs
16: William & Mary Tribe
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: Maine Black Bears
19: Liberty Flames
20: Richmond Spiders
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Furman Paladins
23: Norfolk State Spartans
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Eastern Washington Eagles

[JMUNJ08]

I never try to get my own flogging so here we go!

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Wofford Terriers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: William & Mary Tribe
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
17: Maine Black Bears
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Towson Tigers
22: Old Dominion Monarchs
23: Furman Paladins
24: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
25: Norfolk State Spartans

JMUNJ08

[Twentysix]

You realize that one game might bring them down, and you up, but they still have a much better resume.

Prepare yourself. You think mpls and jbb are bad. They have an entire fanbase of Mpls and JBB.

[F'N Hawks]

Prepare yourself. You think mpls and jbb are bad. They have an entire fanbase of Mpls and JBB.

Are you serious? You know which fan base you belong too, right?

[Twentysix]

# after team is power points for conference rankings

1: North Dakota State Bison 25
2: Northern Iowa Panthers 24
3: Georgia Southern Eagles 23
4: Wofford Terriers 22
5: Montana State Bobcats 21
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers 20
7: New Hampshire Wildcats 19
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks 18
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats 17
10: Indiana State Sycamores 16
11: James Madison Dukes 15
12: Maine Black Bears 14
13: Jacksonville State Gamecocks 13
14: Richmond Spiders 12
15: South Dakota Coyotes 11
16: McNeese State Cowboys 10
17: Youngstown State Penguins 9
18: Montana Grizzlies 8
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 7
20: William & Mary Tribe 6
21: Southern Illinois Salukis 5
22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds 4
23: Towson Tigers 3
24: Liberty Flames 2
25: North Dakota Fighting Sioux 1

MVFC 79 (5)
CAA 76 (7)
Socon 65 (3)
Bigsky 29 (2)
Southland 27 (2)
Patriot 18 (1)
Great West 16 (3)
Big South 2 (1)

[I-16Bandit]

22: Furman Paladins
23: Norfolk State Spartans
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Eastern Washington Eagles

You have to be kidding me.

[Twentysix]

Are you serious? You know which fan base you belong too, right?

Your team has sucked since declaring DI. They haven't seen your fan base. A swarm of drunk canadians only begins to explain...

[WrenFGun]

Umm?

+100. That's ridiculous.

[WrenFGun]

Anyone who has Delaware ranked not only above Maine, but 8 places above, should rethink whether they are competent to vote.

Wow, two +1's in a row. There is utterly no reason to have UD ahead of Maine. Maine's been better this season, has a better resume, etc. Whatever criteria you want to vote on, 5 weeks in, Maine is a better team.

[JMUNJ08]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Appalachian State Mountaineers
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Indiana State Sycamores
11: James Madison Dukes


At LEAST these 3 should not be ahead of the Dukes who are undefeated at the FCS level with some quality W's home and away....I would like your rationale....

[Twentysix]

At LEAST these 3 should not be ahead of the Dukes who are undefeated at the FCS level with some quality W's home and away....I would like your rationale....

Has everything to do with previous polls and how they are doing. If the dukes are better they have a few weeks to show it. Also JMU was # 23 the previous week. Pretty tough to jump you into the top 6 following that.

CCSU is a crap win same as butler. I have thought W&M was inflated the entire season so I probably put alot less stock into that win than you do. So far YSU+ blowing out WKU count for alot more than richmond+W&M.

Liberty looks like they are about to drop out all toghether.

[frozennorth]

Your team has sucked since declaring DI. They haven't seen your fan base. A swarm of drunk canadians only begins to explain...everyone had better be ready to hear a lot about how great and popular a sport college hockey is and the UND is the best hockey school on earth and their new conference has the greatest collection of hockey schools in human history. Also hockey hakstol toews. And hockey.

Hear that georgia southern. UND's 7 hockey titles not only are better than your 6 fcs championships, but they are the single greatest achievement in the history of college sport.

You've all been warned in the event that UND makes it to 5-2.

[JMUNJ08]

Has everything to do with previous polls and how they are doing. If the dukes are better they have a few weeks to show it. Also JMU was # 23 the previous week. Pretty tough to jump you into the top 6 following that.

Thanks for the major upgrade but I would be hard pressed to have us at #23 last week with all the L's flying around with teams that have been around the top 40 to date and only a loss to 4-1 FBS UNC...

[Twentysix]

look at the edit i added more. ISUb's only loss is to Penn state whos only loss is to alabama....

[F'N Hawks]

Try to stick to football guys, your the only one's bringing up hockey.

[crossfire07]

McNeese two spots ahead of Sam Houston St?xconfusedx Guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.'

Maybe they heard about the struggle with San Antonio and how long it took Sam Houston to put them away.

[401ks]

My Top 20

21-30 is such a coin flip. I'll leave them off.

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: James Madison Dukes
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: William & Mary Tribe
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Southern Utah Thunderbirds

xpeacex

[TypicalTribe]

You have to be kidding me.

EWU at #25 was basically a comment on how little there was to choose from at that point.

[Squealofthepig]

My Top 20

21-30 is such a coin flip. I'll leave them off.



I found something that might help there; I'm ranking down to 40 just to try to make myself not just randomly inserting teams to fill out a bracket. This helps, but it means I have teams making 20 point jumps each week. If you're using a spreadsheet and tracking point differentials and common opponents, you can make some better guesses - but they're still just guesses.

EWU is not even in my top 40; their rank over Weber was good, but not enough to include them among teams that have accomplished stuff; I only had one team with a losing record in my poll anyway (this helped with the 21-25 clutter).

[401ks]

I found something that might help there; I'm ranking down to 40 just to try to make myself not just randomly inserting teams to fill out a bracket. This helps, but it means I have teams making 20 point jumps each week. If you're using a spreadsheet and tracking point differentials and common opponents, you can make some better guesses - but they're still just guesses.

EWU is not even in my top 40; their rank over Weber was good, but not enough to include them among teams that have accomplished stuff; I only had one team with a losing record in my poll anyway (this helped with the 21-25 clutter).

I keep track of every team even marginally under consideration to make sure that I'm not forgetting someone.

For example, the two teams that I "left out" of my Top 25 that made it (barely) into this week's poll are Old Dominion and Furman. I considered them to be my #26 and #27. Do they deserve to be in the Top 25? Possibly. But there is only room for 25 in the Top 25. Considerations and differences become razor-thin at this point.

I don't usually "rank" much after #25. That keeps me from making the "Are they jumping too many spots?" decision.

[NHwildEcat]

everyone had better be ready to hear a lot about how great and popular a sport college hockey is and the UND is the best hockey school on earth and their new conference has the greatest collection of hockey schools in human history. Also hockey hakstol toews. And hockey.

Hear that georgia southern. UND's 7 hockey titles not only are better than your 6 fcs championships, but they are the single greatest achievement in the history of college sport.

You've all been warned in the event that UND makes it to 5-2.

Notre Dame to Hockey East = An even stronger version of what is already the best college hockey conference in the country!

[JMUNJ08]

look at the edit i added more. ISUb's only loss is to Penn state whos only loss is to alabama....

I do see what you added but respectively disagree. Liberty will be back and CCSU is MUCH better than 0 scholly Butler. Plus W&M has been highly touted, while not always showing it, while YSU can't crack the Top 25. UR also has a W @ Duke which, while not being an FBS powerhouse, can be considered almost as good as a blowout win for ISUb vs. WKU. (I do like the win vs. WKU and don't do the transitive property myself but that W doesn't propell them up by itself.) It will all work out but thanks for your explanation.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

In case there is any interest in this here's the # of voters by conference affiliation

Voters By Conference:

Big Sky Conference 6
Big South Conference 3
Colonial Athletic Association 28
Great West Conference 9
Independant 0
Ivy League 3
Mid-Eastern Athletic conference 2
Missouri Valley Football Conference 16
Northeast Conference 2
Ohio Valley Conference 2
Patriot League 9
Pioneer Football Conference 0
Southern Conference 18
Southland Conference 6
Southwestern Athletic Conference 1

[Dane96]

Has everything to do with previous polls and how they are doing. If the dukes are better they have a few weeks to show it. Also JMU was # 23 the previous week. Pretty tough to jump you into the top 6 following that.

CCSU is a crap win same as butler. I have thought W&M was inflated the entire season so I probably put alot less stock into that win than you do. So far YSU+ blowing out WKU count for alot more than richmond+W&M.

Liberty looks like they are about to drop out all toghether.

Are you outside your skull?

Butler does not equal CCSU...in any remote stretch.

[Dane96]

look at the edit i added more. ISUb's only loss is to Penn state whos only loss is to alabama....

AND who has ISU played?

[Squealofthepig]

In case there is any interest in this here's the # of voters by conference affiliation

Voters By Conference:

Big Sky Conference 6
Great West Conference 9


Aww yeah, West Coast Big Sky bias starts next year!

(Seriously, surprised that there are only six of us from the Big Sky; I thought the Griz alone had almost that many, and most other teams were represented (the Bobcat with the Bender avatar; wapiti for PSU; screamin'eagle at EWU; a few at Weber and one NAU - guess I should've read the voter list more carefully!)

[WileECoyote06]

I meant to ask this on the committee page, because I suspected a distribution like this, based on this weeks results.

[Squealofthepig]

I meant to ask this on the committee page, because I suspected a distribution like this, based on this weeks results.

I think it'd be interesting to look at how much homerism there is - I actually suspect there isn't all that much, as my ballots have looked similar to most ballots from other voters I've seen. And for the record I tried to drum up more voters from the smaller conferences early in the season! (And again, I should've tried to talk a few more Big Sky folks into voting - I had assumed we were very well represented).

[McNeese75]

McNeese two spots ahead of Sam Houston St?xconfusedx Guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.

One person's opinion while there are several on here that have the Kats in the top 10 which is reallty a questionable vote at this point in time. And before you type anything I voted SHSU above McNeese but certainly not in the top ten by any means.

[McNeese75]

In case there is any interest in this here's the # of voters by conference affiliation

Voters By Conference:

Big Sky Conference 6
Big South Conference 3
Colonial Athletic Association 28
Great West Conference 9
Independant 0
Ivy League 3
Mid-Eastern Athletic conference 2
Missouri Valley Football Conference 16
Northeast Conference 2
Ohio Valley Conference 2
Patriot League 9
Pioneer Football Conference 0
Southern Conference 18
Southland Conference 6
Southwestern Athletic Conference 1

This speaks volumes about the makeup of the top 15 for sure, xnodx

[WileECoyote06]

That's craziness. Just because you were completely wrong for two straight weeks about the relative merit of two teams, you are willing to be wrong again because you want to partially justify your previous wrongness?

A more measured methodology keeps you from overvaluing and undervaluing teams. The team that are ranked highly by individuals usually have earned their place due to past performance and then their poll movement responds to their current performance.

So if Maine gets the breaks beat off of them @ JMU and UD beats William and Mary, should Maine drop into the bottom five while still being above UD?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This speaks volumes about the makeup of the top 15 for sure, xnodx

I'm not so sure about that. I'll run those tonight but I agree with Squel I don't think the homer vote is gonna be real evident.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I think it'd be interesting to look at how much homerism there is - I actually suspect there isn't all that much, as my ballots have looked similar to most ballots from other voters I've seen. And for the record I tried to drum up more voters from the smaller conferences early in the season! (And again, I should've tried to talk a few more Big Sky folks into voting - I had assumed we were very well represented).

I mentioned it a few weeks ago but the malaise of the BSC voter is sort of a disappointment but what the hell. If they ain't as motivated as the fans from other conferences then that's just how it is.

[PantherRob82]

Top 7-8 are pretty interchangeable at this point.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: New Hampshire Wildcats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Maine Black Bears

9: Montana Grizzlies- In retrospect they are too high.

10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks- Only tripped up in OT by UNH

11: Indiana State Sycamores - Not sure they should be this high, but FBS win, undefeated in FCS, only loss to Penn State. Saturday should sort this out.

12: Sam Houston State Bearkats - Maybe a little high, but FBS win and undefeated against a decent FCS schedule.

13: Sacramento State Hornets - Probably too high, but FBS win, good win vs Montana and only lost to good teams in the Top 25 or ORV.

14: Richmond Spiders - Tough to say. Two game losing streak, but to Top 10 teams. First loss wasn't bad, last week was rough.

15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens- Not sure where they belong. Good win last week, this week's loss doesn't seem terrible.

16: Liberty Flames - Where to rank a team who lost to two Top 10 teams by a total of 6?

17: Appalachian State Mountaineers - Only one good win, tough to rank right now.

18: Chattanooga Mocs- Hangs tough with App, then loses to the Citadel? WTF?

19: South Dakota Coyotes- Only losses to FBS teams. Smoked their other opponents...unfortunately 2 of them were sub D-I. They've been dropping as EWU drops and they play no one.

20: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers- only loss to UGa. Only good win over Furman. Hard to say.

21: Holy Cross Crusaders - Two good wins, two good losses. Seem like a legit team.

22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds - I was really high on them. Not sure what to make of the UND loss.

23: Old Dominion Monarchs - I like where this team is going.

24: McNeese State Cowboys - Not thoroughly convinced

25: Tennessee State Tigers - How come no one caught that I meant to vote for Tenn Tech? xlolx

[GeauxLions94]

Here was mine ...

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: James Madison Dukes
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Maine Black Bears
17: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
20: Indiana State Sycamores
21: Towson Tigers
22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Old Dominion Monarchs
25: Portland State Vikings

[blackfordpu]

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Maybe they heard about the struggle with San Antonio and how long it took Sam Houston to put them away.

Maybe they learned that SHSU's starting QB was out and the backup couldn't hit the broadside of a barn so UTSA was able to stack eight in the box and the Kats still beat them with the run.

Still, I have no problem with McNeese in front of the Kats. Rankings mean crap as long as we keep winning.

[Reign of Terrier]

IMO Wofford and GSU are the LSU and Alabama of the FCS this yearxcoffeex

[crossfire07]

I'm with ya. Winning takes care of everything. You look at all of the polls and none of them are remotely close. Sometimes fans put too much into them and they get their hopes up and BAM! lol

[Saint3333]

IMO Wofford and GSU are the LSU and Alabama of the FCS this yearxcoffeex

I would have to agree, the question is who is the Oklahoma and Wisconsin (UNI and NDSU?). In addition I think the CAA is down this year.

[McNeese75]

I'm not so sure about that. I'll run those tonight but I agree with Squel I don't think the homer vote is gonna be real evident.

I was not inferring there were homer votes for their own team but they are more familiar with their conference foes and that translates into more votes among their conference.

[McNeese75]

Top 7-8 are pretty interchangeable at this point.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: New Hampshire Wildcats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Maine Black Bears

9: Montana Grizzlies- In retrospect they are too high.

10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks- Only tripped up in OT by UNH

11: Indiana State Sycamores - Not sure they should be this high, but FBS win, undefeated in FCS, only loss to Penn State. Saturday should sort this out.

12: Sam Houston State Bearkats - Maybe a little high, but FBS win and undefeated against a decent FCS schedule.

13: Sacramento State Hornets - Probably too high, but FBS win, good win vs Montana and only lost to good teams in the Top 25 or ORV.

14: Richmond Spiders - Tough to say. Two game losing streak, but to Top 10 teams. First loss wasn't bad, last week was rough.

15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens- Not sure where they belong. Good win last week, this week's loss doesn't seem terrible.

16: Liberty Flames - Where to rank a team who lost to two Top 10 teams by a total of 6?

17: Appalachian State Mountaineers - Only one good win, tough to rank right now.

18: Chattanooga Mocs- Hangs tough with App, then loses to the Citadel? WTF?

19: South Dakota Coyotes- Only losses to FBS teams. Smoked their other opponents...unfortunately 2 of them were sub D-I. They've been dropping as EWU drops and they play no one.

20: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers- only loss to UGa. Only good win over Furman. Hard to say.

21: Holy Cross Crusaders - Two good wins, two good losses. Seem like a legit team.

22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds - I was really high on them. Not sure what to make of the UND loss.

23: Old Dominion Monarchs - I like where this team is going.

24: McNeese State Cowboys - Not thoroughly convinced

25: Tennessee State Tigers - How come no one caught that I meant to vote for Tenn Tech? xlolx

Maine in the top 8??? Seriously? I assume you had them in the top 15 last week since they were not in the AGS top 25

[JMUNJ08]

I would have to agree, the question is who is the Oklahoma and Wisconsin (UNI and NDSU?). In addition I think the CAA is down this year.

Must be all those poor showings OOC...xcoffeex

CAA isn't down, just more parity. No dominant team but our top 8/9 will beat that of any other conference top to bottom. xthumbsupx

[PantherRob82]

Maine in the top 8??? Seriously? I assume you had them in the top 15 last week since they were not in the AGS top 25

I don't do that "sliding" teams up and down crap. They have a good resume and that's where I ranked them.

[McNeese75]

I don't do that "sliding" teams up and down crap. They have a good resume and that's where I ranked them.

Ahhhhh gotcha, the tea leaf method is so much better I'm sure. It's your opinion and just as good as any other in this group.

[darell1976]

Here is my poll.

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: James Madison Dukes
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Southern Illinois Salukis
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Liberty Flames
23: Maine Black Bears
24: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
25: Old Dominion Monarchs

[Fear the Bird]

Bro rhode island just lost to brown c'mon man!

[youwouldno]

Here is my poll...

12: Rhode Island Rams


I'll give you this- it's ballsy to post a poll with 1-3 Rhode Island 12th, with their one win being at home against Fordham- while Maine, 3-1 with a close loss @ Pittsburgh, is #23.

[FargoBison]

I'll give you this- it's ballsy to post a poll with 1-3 Rhode Island 12th, with their one win being at home against Fordham- while Maine, 3-1 with a close loss @ Pittsburgh, is #23.

perhaps he meant to vote for Richmond?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

perhaps he meant to vote for Richmond?

I'd bet that is it. He had Richmond in last week and no Rhody.

[youwouldno]

Gotta be careful...

[B&G]

1 North Dakota State Bison
2 Georgia Southern Eagles
3 Wofford Terriers
4 Montana State Bobcats
5 Northern Iowa Panthers
6 James Madison Dukes
7 New Hampshire Wildcats
8 Sam Houston State Bearkats
9 Indiana State
10 Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11 Maine Black Bears
12 Appalachian State Mountaineers
13 McNeese State Cowboys
14 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15 Sacramento State Hornets
16 Montana Grizzlies
17 Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18 Old Dominion Monarchs
19 Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20 Richmond Spiders
21 William & Mary Tribe
22 Norfolk State Spartans
23 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
24 South Dakota Coyotes
25 Alabama State Hornets

[pokefan02]

McNeese two spots ahead of Sam Houston St?xconfusedx Guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The good thing is we will know who the better team is on 10-22

[bincitysioux]

At the risk of coming off as a total homer, I fail to see how SUU and USD should be ranked higher than North Dakota. North Dakota's two losses are to FBS teams. North Dakota beat SUU on the road. South Dakota's most impressive win is against 1-4 Eastern Washington..................

I voted North Dakota at #20 this week. Maybe a little homerism, or maybe not I don't know. But after pouring over the stats, schedules, standings and results from this chaotic weekend, I could not find 25 teams that I feel have performed better than North Dakota thus far...................

Here was my attempt at the ballot:

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Towson Tigers
20: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
21: Old Dominion Monarchs
22: Norfolk State Spartans
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

[extremerouge]

Here is my poll.

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Wofford Terriers
6: James Madison Dukes
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Southern Illinois Salukis
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Indiana State Sycamores
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Liberty Flames
23: Maine Black Bears
24: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
25: Old Dominion Monarchs

You still have SUU over UND too huh

[PantherRob82]

Ahhhhh gotcha, the tea leaf method is so much better I'm sure. It's your opinion and just as good as any other in this group.

The "look at teams resumes and try to vote objectively" is much better than sliding teams up and down. Not sure how that compares to tea leaves. I vote a new poll each week. This isn't Chutes and Ladders. xrolleyesx

[PantherRob82]

At the risk of coming off as a total homer, I fail to see how SUU and USD should be ranked higher than North Dakota. North Dakota's two losses are to FBS teams. North Dakota beat SUU on the road. South Dakota's most impressive win is against 1-4 Eastern Washington..................

I voted North Dakota at #20 this week. Maybe a little homerism, or maybe not I don't know. But after pouring over the stats, schedules, standings and results from this chaotic weekend, I could not find 25 teams that I feel have performed better than North Dakota thus far...................


Because USD and SUU have played better schedules and won better games.

I think USD is slowly downgrading based on EWU's slow start, but if EWU starts winning, that will change.

SUU WON their FBS game and has played a tough schedule.

You guys played 2 FBS game against pretty weak FBS squads, lost, and then scheduled whatever high school was free. Don't be suprised that people don't give you the benefit of the doubt.

UND over SUU surprised me and put UND on my radar, but I'm not sure they are Top 25 material.

[bincitysioux]

Because USD and SUU have played better schedules and won better games.

I think USD is slowly downgrading based on EWU's slow start, but if EWU starts winning, that will change.

SUU WON their FBS game and has played a tough schedule.

You guys played 2 FBS game against pretty weak FBS squads, lost, and then scheduled whatever high school was free. Don't be suprised that people don't give you the benefit of the doubt.

UND over SUU surprised me and put UND on my radar, but I'm not sure they are Top 25 material.

I agree that SUU has played a better schedule than North Dakota. But not USD. USD has two losses to FBS teams, 2 wins over non-DI teams, and a win over a 1-4 DI team. North Dakota has 2 losses to FBS teams, a win over a non-DI, a win over 4-1 non-scholarship DI, and a win over a Top-25 DI.

IMO, USD is getting way too much steam for beating a horrible FBS team last season, and for beating the defending NC which has been horrible thus far................

[PantherRob82]

You can't really say EWU has been terrible. They have played a brutal schedule and were close to winning at least two more of them

[bojeta]

You can't really say EWU has been terrible. They have played a brutal schedule and were close to winning at least two more of them

Agreed! Anyone suggesting EWU is a bad team should be thankful they are not on their schedule!! They are loaded with talent and can beat anyone on any given Saturday. I'm hoping Cal Poly is 100% when EWU comes to town!!

[bincitysioux]

So what you are saying is that EWU is the best 1-4 team in the nation. By virtue of that, USD's (4-7 last year) victory over the best 1-4 team in the nation warrants them being ranked higher than North Dakota right now?

I can accept the argument of SUU still getting ranked higher or recieving more votes than UND (although I won't agree with it), because they have actually looked good over the last season and a half. But so many ballots with USD over North Dakota kind of perplexes me right now.

[Twentysix]

Love you dakotadan, red chiclets are my favorite flavor.

[PantherRob82]

So what you are saying is that EWU is the best 1-4 team in the nation. By virtue of that, USD's (4-7 last year) victory over the best 1-4 team in the nation warrants them being ranked higher than North Dakota right now

I'm not sold on USD and don't vote for EWU, but but I am more impressed by EWUs performances vs. UW, Montana, etc, than UNDs sub D-I wins and their perfomance against Idaho(which I watched).

[FargoBison]

So what you are saying is that EWU is the best 1-4 team in the nation. By virtue of that, USD's (4-7 last year) victory over the best 1-4 team in the nation warrants them being ranked higher than North Dakota right now?

I can accept the argument of SUU still getting ranked higher or recieving more votes than UND (although I won't agree with it), because they have actually looked good over the last season and a half. But so many ballots with USD over North Dakota kind of perplexes me right now.

USD's rank is inflated but that is what happens in early polls when a team beats who was the #1 team. This will correct itself this weekend when USD and SUU play.

[biggame]

Because USD and SUU have played better schedules and won better games.

I think USD is slowly downgrading based on EWU's slow start, but if EWU starts winning, that will change.

SUU WON their FBS game and has played a tough schedule.

You guys played 2 FBS game against pretty weak FBS squads, lost, and then scheduled whatever high school was free. Don't be suprised that people don't give you the benefit of the doubt.

UND over SUU surprised me and put UND on my radar, but I'm not sure they are Top 25 material.

Who has South Dakota beat? two cupcakes and E. Washington who hasn't had a good season so far. UND also beat a couple cupcakes but also has a quality road win over SUU which thus far has been a better team than E. Washington. That being said I am not convinced UND should be ranked yet, but they have a resume that is as good or better than South Dakota's.

[PantherRob82]

I'm not sold on USD and don't vote for EWU, but but I am more impressed by EWUs performances vs. UW, Montana, etc, than UNDs sub D-I wins and their perfomance against Idaho(which I watched).


Who has South Dakota beat? two cupcakes and E. Washington who hasn't had a good season so far. UND also beat a couple cupcakes but also has a quality road win over SUU which thus far has been a better team than E. Washington. That being said I am not convinced UND should be ranked yet, but they have a resume that is as good or better than South Dakota's.

Already addressed.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I was not inferring there were homer votes for their own team but they are more familiar with their conference foes and that translates into more votes among their conference.

I misunderstood ya then 75. Probably because I've seen that bandied about quite a bit before but I get your meaning and it makes sense.

[Dgreenwell3]

I do see what you added but respectively disagree. Liberty will be back and CCSU is MUCH better than 0 scholly Butler. Plus W&M has been highly touted, while not always showing it, while YSU can't crack the Top 25. UR also has a W @ Duke which, while not being an FBS powerhouse, can be considered almost as good as a blowout win for ISUb vs. WKU. (I do like the win vs. WKU and don't do the transitive property myself but that W doesn't propell them up by itself.) It will all work out but thanks for your explanation.
Classic. For every game Indiana State has been told "They win this game, they are legit." they just keep winning by beating a ranked Youngstown team, on the road at Western, at South Dakota State. SDSU isn't great I know that but it's a hard place to win, everyone knows that.

[gasoutherneagle]

OH, WHAT THE HELL! Be gentle:
1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Wofford Terriers
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: William & Mary Tribe
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Indiana State Sycamores
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
18: Old Dominion Monarchs
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Portland State Vikings
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Furman Paladins
25: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles

gasoutherneagle

[crossfire07]

Who has South Dakota beat? two cupcakes and E. Washington who hasn't had a good season so far. UND also beat a couple cupcakes but also has a quality road win over SUU which thus far has been a better team than E. Washington. That being said I am not convinced UND should be ranked yet, but they have a resume that is as good or better than South Dakota's.

Stength of schedule per Saragin: #137 South Dakota 75.54 (10th) #143 North Dakota 57.77 (144th)

[bojeta]

Stength of schedule per Saragin: #137 South Dakota 75.54 (10th) #143 North Dakota 57.77 (144th)

Another reason I don't like the Saragin system. So what if South Dakota's strength of schedule is higher? That's because they scheduled Wisconsin, who, by the way, shredded them!! North Dakota played a good FBS team in Fresno State and was barely beat by two points. To me, that's worth a lot more than being a punching bag for WI

[darell1976]

Stength of schedule per Saragin: #137 South Dakota 75.54 (10th) #143 North Dakota 57.77 (144th)

According to this...NDSU ranks 220 out of 246 teams. Why is NDSU ranked so high with a SOS at the bottom? They have beaten nobodys. No slam against NDSU I am just using the argument of why is SOS a reasong to have USD ahead of UND. Well then NDSU should be towards the bottom of the poll.

[frozennorth]

Another reason I don't like the Saragin system. So what if South Dakota's strength of schedule is higher? That's because they scheduled Wisconsin, who, by the way, shredded them!! North Dakota played a good FBS team in Fresno State and was barely beat by two points. To me, that's worth a lot more than being a punching bag for WI

Did you just call fresno state good? This fresno team looks awful, and the only games in which they might be favored here out are against san jose state and new mexico state. If fresno is 5-8 at the end of the year they should be pretty happy.

[frozennorth]

According to this...NDSU ranks 220 out of 246 teams. Why is NDSU ranked so high with a SOS at the bottom? They have beaten nobodys. No slam against NDSU I am just using the argument of why is SOS a reasong to have USD ahead of UND. Well then NDSU should be towards the bottom of the poll.

155-43 points for-against ndsu. 4-0.

Usd has an identical record and near identical performances against much more difficult competition.

[Bisonforlife]

155-43 points for-against ndsu. 4-0.

Usd has an identical record and near identical performances against much more difficult competition.
138-123 points for-against USD 3-2

[frozennorth]

138-123 points for-against USD 3-2

131-110 point for-points against UND 3-2

[bojeta]

Did you just call fresno state good? This fresno team looks awful, and the only games in which they might be favored here out are against san jose state and new mexico state. If fresno is 5-8 at the end of the year they should be pretty happy.

By good, I meant that they are not an FBS pushover such as New Mexico State. They have scored well in losing causes against #10 Nebraska, a 3-1 Cal team, 2-3 Ole Miss and won their other two games. No, I don't expect them to finish better than 5-8. Still, North Dakota losing by two to Fresno is far better than a 10-59 thrashing by Wisconsin. And I'm not knocking South Dakota! I think the Coyotes are solid this year and a threat to win the Great West. I just don't agree with the Saragin formula.

[Fear the Bird]

By good, I meant that they are not an FBS pushover such as New Mexico State. They have scored well in losing causes against #10 Nebraska, a 3-1 Cal team, 2-3 Ole Miss and won their other two games. No, I don't expect them to finish better than 5-8. Still, North Dakota losing by two to Fresno is far better than a 10-59 thrashing by Wisconsin. And I'm not knocking South Dakota! I think the Coyotes are solid this year and a threat to win the Great West. I just don't agree with the Saragin formula.

Losing by 2 to fresno is no comparison to a top 5 team with a legit national title shot thats just silly

[DJKyR0]

What's silly is comparing the degree to which teams lose FBS matchups as fodder for ranking discussion.

[darell1976]

Losing by 2 to fresno is no comparison to a top 5 team with a legit national title shot thats just silly

Plus UND lost by 5 not 2 27-22.

[WileECoyote06]

What's silly is comparing the degree to which teams lose FBS matchups as fodder for ranking discussion.

You haven't been paying attention on here very much lately have you? xeyebrowx xlolx

[bojeta]

What's silly is comparing the degree to which teams lose FBS matchups as fodder for ranking discussion.

Which begs the question.... Why use strength of schedule as a factor when both teams lost to their FBS opponents? It didn't matter how good Wisconsin is... they lost! Badly!