AGS Top 25 Week 1 Results

[superman7515]

For those voting in the AGS Poll (all non-FCS teams noted):

1 Eastern Washington Eagles - Lost 30-27 @ Washington (FBS)
2 Georgia Southern Eagles - Won 31-17 @ Samford
3 William & Mary Tribe - Lost 40-3 @ Virginia (FBS)
4 Appalachian State Mountaineers - Lost 66-13 @ Virginia Tech (FBS)
5 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens - Lost 40-17 @ Navy (FBS)
6 Montana State Bobcats - Lost 27-10 @ Utah (FBS)
7 Wofford Terriers - Won 35-28 @ Presbyterian
8 North Dakota State Bison - Won 42-6 vs Lafayette
9 Northern Iowa Panthers - Lost 20-19 @ Iowa State (FBS)
10 New Hampshire Wildcats - Lost 58-22 @ Toledo (FBS)
11 Jacksonville State Gamecocks - Won 24-23 vs Tennessee Martin
12 Montana Grizzlies - Loss 42-16 @ Tennessee (FBS)
13 Villanova Wildcats - Lost 42-7 @ Temple (FBS)
14 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks - Won 82-6 vs McMurry (D2 transitional from D3)
15 Lehigh Mountain Hawks - Won 49-24 @ Monmouth
16 Richmond Spiders - Won 23-21 @ Duke (FBS)
17 James Madison Dukes - Lost 42-10 @ North Carolina (FBS)
18 Chattanooga Mocs - Lost 40-7 @ Nebraska (FBS)
19 Liberty Flames - Lost 43-21 @ North Carolina St (FBS)
20 Cal Poly Mustangs - Lost 49-21 @ San Diego St (FBS)
21 South Carolina State Bulldogs - Lost 21-6 @ Central Michigan (FBS)
22 Southeast Missouri State Redhawks - Lost 38-10 vs Southern Illinois
23 Southern Illinois Salukis - Won 38-10 @ Southeast Missouri State
24 Central Arkansas Bears - Won 38-14 vs Henderson St (D2)
25 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats - Won 63-14 vs Prairie View A&M @ neutral site Florida Citrus Bowl


Other Receiving Votes:

McNeese State Cowboys - Lost 42-24 @ Kansas (FBS)
Pennsylvania Quakers - No Game This Week
Western Illinois Leathernecks - Lost 20-6 @ Sam Houston State
Southern Utah Thunderbirds - Lost 29-28 @ South Dakota State
Indiana State Sycamores - Lost 41-7 @ Penn State (FBS)
Eastern Kentucky Colonels - Lost 10-7 @ Kansas State (FBS)
Old Dominion Monarchs - Won 41-14 vs Campbell
Florida A&M Rattlers - Won 28-22 vs Fort Valley State (D2)
Harvard Crimson - No Game This Week
South Dakota State Jackrabbits - Won 29-28 vs Southern Utah
Furman Paladins - Lost 23-30 @ Coastal Carolina
Robert Morris Colonials - Lost 19-13 vs Dayton
Jacksonville Dolphins - Lost 31-9 @ The Citadel
Murray State Racers - Lost 21-9 @ Louisville (FBS)
Weber State Wildcats - Lost 32-35 @ Wyoming (FBS)
Elon Phoenix - Lost 45-14 @ Vanderbilt (FBS)

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Thanks for putting that together. The poll is going to be tough this week - 7 losses in the top ten, so some major shakeups likely.

[eagle07]

Thanks for putting that together. The poll is going to be tough this week - 7 losses in the top ten, so some major shakeups likely.

all loses to FBS though, so may not affect them too much

[skinny_uncle]

At the least, we can say SEMO was overrated.
xnodx

[Squealofthepig]

At the least, we can say SEMO was overrated.
xnodx

Well said. And it's good to have a good bellwether for such a wild card early. And kudos to superman7515 for compiling this!

My quick take: Sacramento State (#26 in AGS voting): Major mover up. SEMO? Loser at home to the Salukis, likely dropping out (for now - lots of football, especially in the OVC, to be played).

[veinup]

montana has more than a ****load to prove.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Might Lehigh crack the Top Ten? It might be close...

[danefan]

Might Lehigh crack the Top Ten? It might be close...

Why should they?

Monmouth is a mid to low level NEC team. Lehigh shouldn't go anywhere. They're too high already.

[blackfordpu]

EWU should not lose the #1 spot due to that close loss to a FBS squad.

Does SHSU have a spot this week? We'll soon find out. xnodx

[da_Bison]

i could see Wofford and UNI flip floppin

[BlueHenSinfonian]

My initial thoughts:

EWU retains #1 (close loss to Washington trumps a win over Samford)
GaSou retains #2 (a win against Samford is still a win)
The Tribe, Appy, Delaware, 'Nooga, JMU, Liberty, Montana, and Montana State all drop one or two places (FBS losses to strong FBS teams)
Wofford bumps up a few (again, a win is still a win even if it's against Presbyterian)
UNH, SC State, and 'Nova drop more than a few (FBS losses to lesser FBS teams)
Sac State and Richmond shoot up (FBS wins)
UNI played a close game to a weak FBS school, they still feel right in the top 10 to me

The rest of it, and even how to sort all of that out, needs more thought tomorrow with a fresh mind, plus having the results of Cal Poly, Weber State, and Stony Brook available.

[The Eagle's Cliff]

I'm going to keep EWU at #1 after an impressive performance. App's stomping surprised me and raises questions. GSU had a jittery first half and will need to keep working. Just immediate thoughts from the hotel

[DJKyR0]

Sac State makes it in at the expense of SEMO, trying to justify SDSU making it in as well. Gutty win over a highly-touted (for a G. West school, anyway) SUU squad. NDSU sneaks into the top ten for me.

[Jacked_Rabbit]

What a great day of football! This is how my poll fairs to change after today's results:

Moving UP: E.Wash, UNI, NDSU, GA So., Rich, SIU, MT St.
Moving DOWN: W&M, Woff, UNH, Mont, Nova,
Moving IN: Sac. St., SDSU, EKU
Moving OUT: SUU, Ill. St.

[DJKyR0]

For me, MSW: Richmond, MSL: SEMO. New to the poll for me were SDSU and Sac. St. Out were SEMO and...New Hampshire. Crap. Knew I forgot somebody. Sorry Wildcat fans.

[GoAgs72]

SDSU 49, Cal Poly 21 final

[Twentysix]

For those voting in the AGS Poll (all non-FCS teams noted):

1 Eastern Washington Eagles - Lost 30-27 @ Washington (FBS)
2 Georgia Southern Eagles - Won 31-17 @ Samford
3 William & Mary Tribe - Lost 40-3 @ Virginia (FBS)
4 Appalachian State Mountaineers - Lost 66-13 @ Virginia Tech (FBS)
5 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens - Lost 40-17 @ Navy (FBS)
6 Montana State Bobcats - Lost 27-10 @ Utah (FBS)
7 Wofford Terriers - Won 35-28 @ Presbyterian
8 North Dakota State Bison - Won 42-16 vs Lafayette
9 Northern Iowa Panthers - Lost 20-19 @ Iowa State (FBS)
10 New Hampshire Wildcats - Lost 58-22 @ Toledo (FBS)
11 Jacksonville State Gamecocks - Won 24-23 vs Tennessee Martin
12 Montana Grizzlies - Loss 42-16 @ Tennessee (FBS)
13 Villanova Wildcats - Lost 42-7 @ Temple (FBS)
14 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks - Won 82-6 vs McMurry (D3 transitional from NAIA)
15 Lehigh Mountain Hawks - Won 49-24 @ Monmouth
16 Richmond Spiders - Won 23-21 @ Duke (FBS)
17 James Madison Dukes - Lost 42-10 @ North Carolina (FBS)
18 Chattanooga Mocs - Lost 40-7 @ Nebraska (FBS)
19 Liberty Flames - Lost 43-21 @ North Carolina St (FBS)
20 Cal Poly Mustangs - Still in progress @ San Diego St (FBS)
21 South Carolina State Bulldogs - Lost 21-6 @ Central Michigan (FBS)
22 Southeast Missouri State Redhawks - Lost 38-10 vs Southern Illinois
23 Southern Illinois Salukis - Won 38-10 @ Southeast Missouri State
24 Central Arkansas Bears - Won 38-14 vs Henderson St (D2)
25 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats - Game is Noon on Sunday vs Prairie View A&M


Other Receiving Votes:

McNeese State Cowboys - Lost 42-24 @ Kansas (FBS)
Pennsylvania Quakers - No Game This Week
Western Illinois Leathernecks - Lost 20-6 @ Sam Houston State
Southern Utah Thunderbirds - Lost 29-28 @ South Dakota State
Indiana State Sycamores - Lost 41-7 @ Penn State (FBS)
Eastern Kentucky Colonels - Lost 10-7 @ Kansas State (FBS)
Old Dominion Monarchs - Won 41-14 vs Campbell
Florida A&M Rattlers - Won 28-22 vs Fort Valley State (D2)
Harvard Crimson - No Game This Week
South Dakota State Jackrabbits - Won 29-28 vs Southern Utah
Furman Paladins - Lost 23-30 @ Coastal Carolina
Robert Morris Colonials - Lost 19-13 vs Dayton
Jacksonville Dolphins - Lost 31-9 @ The Citadel
Murray State Racers - Lost 21-9 @ Louisville (FBS)
Weber State Wildcats - Still in Progress @ Wyoming (FBS)
Elon Phoenix - Lost 45-14 @ Vanderbilt (FBS)

Just pointing out the NDSU score was 42-6 not 42-16. Did not check any of your other scores.

[Twentysix]

Disregard post.

Ill post my top 25 conference power rankings shortly in an edit.

[Twentysix]

MVFC 73(4) 4 of 5 ranked teams moved up. ISUb fell out of my poll. <-- that will never last, just worked out because most of our FBS/BCS games had no bearing on my poll.
Bigsky 62(5) Sac state had the best win of the week, 3 bigsky teams moved up 2 moved down.
CAA 62(5) Richmond almost had the best win, all other CAA teams dropped.
Socon 60(3) Georgia Southern maintains my #1 ranking. App st had worst loss in my poll really hurt socon's strength. Wofford moved up a bit.
OVC 21(2) The previously ranked team moved up, a newcomer entered the top 25.
Southland 20(2) One dropped one gained positive outcome for the Southland.
Patriot League 17(1) Lehigh jumped a few spots.
Great West 7(1) SUU lost fell a bit.
Ivy 4(1) Ivy team lost a spot.
Big South 1(1) Big South gains the #25 spot.

[Twentysix]

For me, MSW: Richmond, MSL: SEMO. New to the poll for me were SDSU and Sac. St. Out were SEMO and...New Hampshire. Crap. Knew I forgot somebody. Sorry Wildcat fans.

Do you feel duke is better than Oregon st?

In: Weber State, Stony brook, Eastern Illinois.
Out: Albany, South Carolina State, Indiana State.

[danefan]

danefan, please come back and apologize when Lehigh cracks the top ten this week.....

Uh what? Why would I apologize?

If Lehigh ends up in the top 10, its a joke and people are rewarding them for beatin a mediocre team at best while punishing other teams for losing to FBS teams.

Lehigh is a good team. They should get zero movement in anyone's poll for beating Monmouth.

FCS polls (all of them) are ****. People don't see enough games and they give way too much credit for prior year's successes and placement in preseaon polls.

Thankfully we don't have to worry about it. Just win and settle it in the playoffs.

[TexasTerror]

14 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks - Won 82-6 vs McMurry (D3 transitional from NAIA)

CORRECTION - McMurry is transitioning from D3 to D2.

[DSUrocks07]

Yeah...the MEAC isn't gonna have ANY teams ranked after this weekend. xsmhx

Even tho SC State lost a close game to an FBS team xbangx

And BCU hasn't even played yet xthumbsdownx

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Yeah...the MEAC isn't gonna have ANY teams ranked after this weekend. xsmhx

Even tho SC State lost a close game to an FBS team xbangx

And BCU hasn't even played yet xthumbsdownx

I think calling a 21 - 6 loss close is being a bit charitable, but I'm going to hold off on voting until after the BCU/Prarie View game. If they win I don't see why they wouldn't stay in the rankings. Congrats to DSU for starting the season off with a win vs VMI.

[superman7515]

Yeah...the MEAC isn't gonna have ANY teams ranked after this weekend. xsmhx

Even tho SC State lost a close game to an FBS team xbangx

And BCU hasn't even played yet xthumbsdownx

I actually mentioned that in the AGS Poll thread. Not sure why everyone would be voting when a preseason top 25 team that won their conference hasn't even started their game for another 2 hours.

[UNIFanSince1983]

At the least, we can say SEMO was overrated.
xnodx

Or was SIU underrated in this poll? It could have been a little bit of both. Impressive open to the season for the Salukis.

[superman7515]

I think calling a 21 - 6 loss close is being a bit charitable, but I'm going to hold off on voting until after the BCU/Prarie View game. If they win I don't see why they wouldn't stay in the rankings. Congrats to DSU for starting the season off with a win vs VMI.

Not being as smarta$$ as this is going to sound, but I'm guessing you didn't watch the CMU-SCSt game? South Carolina State's defense played outstanding in the game, but the offense was terrible, settling for field goals on two trips inside the 20 and missing a field goal. It was 14-6 at halftime and still anyone's game for most of the 2nd half as the SC State defense wouldn't let the CMU offense get another score to put it away but the offense couldn't score to get them back into it.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If Lehigh ends up in the top 10, its a joke and people are rewarding them for beatin a mediocre team at best while punishing other teams for losing to FBS teams.

Lehigh is a good team. They should get zero movement in anyone's poll for beating Monmouth.

A joke? Really? When more than half of the teams above them lost, and some in embarassing fashion? Come on, if Lehigh doesn't get above Villanova after their thirty-point beatdown to Temple something is wrong.

I'm not saying put them No. 1 over Eastern Washington since the Eagles lost to a BC$ school. I'm saying they should have a shot at the Top Ten because there weren't a heck of a lot of impressive victories or "close losses" above them in the poll.

Where's the impressive win? Wofford, who struggled to beat a team that is 2-20 all-time as a trasitional FCS school? Jacksonville State, who got a huge assist by the officials by not allowing a last-second FG attempt by UT Martin? Georgia Southern over Samford? Seen in that light...

[Houndawg]

Or was SIU underrated in this poll? It could have been a little bit of both. Impressive open to the season for the Salukis.

It was some of both - SIU's lines completely dominated both sides of the ball -the o-line was knocking them off the ball three yards or more nearly every play and our NTs had seven or eight tackles, the dive play wasn't there all night for them... SEMO was down on offense, good QB, nothing else, but their defense wasn't any worse than last years. We also have a new S&C coach. Unfortunately we also have a pissed off Ole' Miss next week. McIntosh looked real good, checking down before running and he hit three 30 yard passes and a 70 yd one, noticeably more zip on the ball this year.

[aceinthehole]

A joke? Really? When more than half of the teams above them lost, and some in embarassing fashion? Come on, if Lehigh doesn't get above Villanova after their thirty-point beatdown to Temple something is wrong.

I'm not saying put them No. 1 over Eastern Washington since the Eagles lost to a BC$ school. I'm saying they should have a shot at the Top Ten because there weren't a heck of a lot of impressive victories or "close losses" above them in the poll.

Where's the impressive win? Wofford, who struggled to beat a team that is 2-20 all-time as a trasitional FCS school? Jacksonville State, who got a huge assist by the officials by not allowing a last-second FG attempt by UT Martin? Georgia Southern over Samford? Seen in that light...

I think Lehigh had a good win, but by no means is it worth a noticable jump in the polls. I certainly think Lehigh is ranked appropritaly some between 11-13. After winning a playoff game last year and never letting Monmouth in the game is impressive - LU should certainly be respected right now.

But I'm really waiting to see how Lehigh does at home vs. UNH and Liberty. Winning both games, easily puts them in consideration of the top-5 (depending on what other teams do). Personally, I'm not ready to give accolades for 1 win vs a team predicted to finish 6th in their league. Beating UNH or Liberty would be much more worthy of a bump in the polls.

[Pard4Life]

A joke? Really? When more than half of the teams above them lost, and some in embarassing fashion? Come on, if Lehigh doesn't get above Villanova after their thirty-point beatdown to Temple something is wrong.

I'm not saying put them No. 1 over Eastern Washington since the Eagles lost to a BC$ school. I'm saying they should have a shot at the Top Ten because there weren't a heck of a lot of impressive victories or "close losses" above them in the poll.

Where's the impressive win? Wofford, who struggled to beat a team that is 2-20 all-time as a trasitional FCS school? Jacksonville State, who got a huge assist by the officials by not allowing a last-second FG attempt by UT Martin? Georgia Southern over Samford? Seen in that light...

You Lehigh people are insatiable... I don't even have Lehigh in my AGS Top 25 and not because of sour grapes... I just don't buy into how good the team actually is...

[Pard4Life]

Villanova should not even be in the Top 25... Temple is a good team, but not world beaters... I had them 22 presseaon and now they should be O U T.

[Gil Dobie]

Uh what? Why would I apologize?

If Lehigh ends up in the top 10, its a joke and people are rewarding them for beatin a mediocre team at best while punishing other teams for losing to FBS teams.

Lehigh is a good team. They should get zero movement in anyone's poll for beating Monmouth.

FCS polls (all of them) are ****. People don't see enough games and they give way too much credit for prior year's successes and placement in preseaon polls.

Thankfully we don't have to worry about it. Just win and settle it in the playoffs.

This is the first week of the poll after games have been played. If teams don't look good against FBS teams, they will be ranked accordingly, same if they play good against FBS teams. By the end of the season all things will work out in the polls. Even though EWU lost, IMO, they had the best performance for a FCS vs FBS team. UNI had a good performance, and yes Sac St and Richmond both won. Villanova looked bad. Of those 5 teams, you can get an idea of how good these teams are.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

You Lehigh people are insatiable... I don't even have Lehigh in my AGS Top 25 and not because of sour grapes... I just don't buy into how good the team actually is...

Well based on where they are and given the fact teams in front of them lost they will likely move up if you like it or not. It would be pretty ridiculous for teams to jump over them for posting similar or even less impressive wins.

[danefan]

You Lehigh people are insatiable... I don't even have Lehigh in my AGS Top 25 and not because of sour grapes... I just don't buy into how good the team actually is...

Thats a little overkill. Lehigh is a good team. Probably in the top 20. Not top 10 though and they shouldn't move anywhere for a win over Monmouth.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

You Lehigh people are insatiable... I don't even have Lehigh in my AGS Top 25 and not because of sour grapes... I just don't buy into how good the team actually is...

Riiiiiiight.... :D

[Squealofthepig]

On Lehigh, I think it depends on how you vote. Many voters I think are "slot voters", by which I mean they look at a previous poll and then move teams up or down depending on wins/losses (good win, jump over a team or two; lose a close one, drop a bit; lose big at home, drop a lot). Others vote more subjectively, based on either a gut or statistical feel for how teams stack up against each other. Both have their pros & cons, to be fair, but the first group will reward Lehigh more for a win than the subjective voters.

I do a mix of that and try to evaluate teams on a weekly basis, and start with, "What teams was I wrong about?" I underestimated Richmond and Sac State (as did most of us) - and it's looking like Bethune-Cookman, too. I overvalued teams like Villanova, Chattanooga and App (though not by much). So that will be reflected in how I vote. (In disclosure, Montana won't move much in my poll, but I had them much much lower than where they ended in the polls).

[kdinva]

I am a new voter..........where is a link to cast votes?

[Gil Dobie]

I am a new voter..........where is a link to cast votes?

Lower right of the screen AGS Poll

[kdinva]

Lower right of the screen AGS Poll

thank you

[Gil Dobie]

thank you

No problem, enjoy

[JMUNJ08]

For my newly minted poll:

IN: Sacramento St. / Southern Illinois / Bethune-Cookman / SDSU
OUT: SE Missouri / Villanova / Jacksonville / Chattanooga (needed another spot)

Only preseason poll team moving up big was Richmond as I expected far less than an actual win vs. D2-like Duke...Other big movers were from the IN/OUT group

[ekufbfan]

EKU????
Just played FBS Kansas State down to the wire, KSU scored a TD with 1:34 left in the game to pull out a win 10-7. EKU played with a TRUE freshman at QB last night, so not only were we without out best receiver due to injury we were without our Jr. QB Pryor.
EKU beat (at the end of the season) both JSU and Murray State. Both rated above EKU pre season.
We may lose the rest of our games (just as anyone could) but right now I can see no reason for ignoring EKU in the top 25.

[darell1976]

I probably will get crap for my poll: My top 5

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Wofford Terriers
5: William & Mary Tribe

I do have Sac St and South Dakota St entering the polls.

[Gil Dobie]

EKU????
Just played FBS Kansas State down to the wire, KSU scored a TD with 1:34 left in the game to pull out a win 10-7. EKU played with a TRUE freshman at QB last night, so not only were we without out best receiver due to injury we were without our Jr. QB Pryor.
EKU beat (at the end of the season) both JSU and Murray State. Both rated above EKU pre season.
We may lose the rest of our games (just as anyone could) but right now I can see no reason for ignoring EKU in the top 25.

I took notice and moved EKU into my top 25.

[Gil Dobie]

I probably will get crap for my poll: My top 5

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Wofford Terriers
5: William & Mary Tribe

I do have Sac St and South Dakota St entering the polls.

I don't have NDSU as high as you, but the other 4 are right there with me. I gave UNI a lot of credit for nearly beating Iowa St. SDSU also entered my poll, I may have had SAC St there already.

[GoAgs72]

This will be the most worthless poll in several years. Too many teams losing to FBS teams and too many teams beating much lesser opponents. How do you compare? I will feel a little more confident in a couple of weeks.

[RabidRabbit]

The first two/three weeks are always the toughest to pick. Needing to move in teams that super surprise (Sac St) and how do you assess an FBS blow out of a ranked FCS? (App St or Montana come to mind). You're right GA72, confidence grows during season, as get more concensus.

[Squealofthepig]

The first two/three weeks are always the toughest to pick...

Just to build on this, last year the twenty teams that made the playoffs went 11-9 in their first game (which sometimes was in week two, e.g., Northern Iowa). Of these eleven wins, two were against conference opponents (UNI over NDSU; App State AT Chattanooga); three were vs. lower divisions; three were out of conference home games; one was an out-of-conference away game (Lehigh at Drake); and two were wins vs. FBS (NDSU 6-3 over Kansas; Jacksonville State 49-48 over Va. Tech in two OTs.

The nine losses? One was a conference away game (W&M losing 23-27 at UMass); one was a close game (Villanova 24-31 at Temple); the rest were two touchdown+ losses (margins of 14, 17, 23, 25, 31, 31 and 41). And that 25 point loss? That was your national champion.

[redspider]

Here are my thoughts for the new poll new poll for week 1. Just as I thought Villanova is questionable and was overrated. So for this week I have them out. EWU great effort have to keep them at 1. Impressed by ODU so this week think they are in. Obvi impressed by Sac State and UR wins. Interested to see if Sac State can keep it up thought of this ends up being JMU vs VTech all over again.


Out: Villanova, SC State, Jacksonville, Chattanoga, Mc Neese State
In: Sacramento State, Weber State, SDSU, EKU, ODU

[RabidRabbit]

SuperMan - Thanks for posting this list. Didn't see SacSt, and their upset of a BCS team. If you do next week, and a FBS goes down to a FCS, please add, even if not on the preseason votes list.

Poll committee - Didn't see an option to bring up previous votes on this season. IMHO, I'd love to make certain that I'm being consistent vote to vote, and reflect the results of the latest week, so I do use that prior votes information.

Just some minor comments ( I know I *itch too much)

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Not being as smarta$$ as this is going to sound, but I'm guessing you didn't watch the CMU-SCSt game? South Carolina State's defense played outstanding in the game, but the offense was terrible, settling for field goals on two trips inside the 20 and missing a field goal. It was 14-6 at halftime and still anyone's game for most of the 2nd half as the SC State defense wouldn't let the CMU offense get another score to put it away but the offense couldn't score to get them back into it.

No, I didn't see the game, I was just going from the box score. It's hard to get the full story sometimes from just the numbers. I'll keep that in mind when looking at SC State this season.

[DJKyR0]

Poll committee - Didn't see an option to bring up previous votes on this season. IMHO, I'd love to make certain that I'm being consistent vote to vote, and reflect the results of the latest week, so I do use that prior votes information.

Just some minor comments ( I know I *itch too much)

You should receive a confirmation e-mail that lists your votes each week. That's what I use to stay consistent and re-visit my trains of thought from the previous week(s).

[TheRevSFA]

Sam should be in the Top 25...I put them in.

[Twentysix]

I probably will get crap for my poll: My top 5

1: Georgia Southern Eagles
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Wofford Terriers
5: William & Mary Tribe

I do have Sac St and South Dakota St entering the polls.

You have 4 of my top 5. UNI just made my top 5. William and mary was my #2 but they are just out of the top 5 in this poll.

[Twentysix]

Just to build on this, last year the twenty teams that made the playoffs went 11-9 in their first game (which sometimes was in week two, e.g., Northern Iowa). Of these eleven wins, two were against conference opponents (UNI over NDSU; App State AT Chattanooga); three were vs. lower divisions; three were out of conference home games; one was an out-of-conference away game (Lehigh at Drake); and two were wins vs. FBS (NDSU 6-3 over Kansas; Jacksonville State 49-48 over Va. Tech in two OTs.

The nine losses? One was a conference away game (W&M losing 23-27 at UMass); one was a close game (Villanova 24-31 at Temple); the rest were two touchdown+ losses (margins of 14, 17, 23, 25, 31, 31 and 41). And that 25 point loss? That was your national champion.

In your 11-9 do you count UNI's first win as a win but not as a loss for NDSU? Or should it be 11-8

[Twentysix]

SuperMan - Thanks for posting this list. Didn't see SacSt, and their upset of a BCS team. If you do next week, and a FBS goes down to a FCS, please add, even if not on the preseason votes list.

Poll committee - Didn't see an option to bring up previous votes on this season. IMHO, I'd love to make certain that I'm being consistent vote to vote, and reflect the results of the latest week, so I do use that prior votes information.

Just some minor comments ( I know I *itch too much)

They should be emailed to you. Mine are. Just make a folder in your email account and throw them all in there.

[Squealofthepig]

In your 11-9 do you count UNI's first win as a win but not as a loss for NDSU? Or should it be 11-8

Just pure first wins, looking solely at these twenty team's first wins. So the UNI win is a win over NDSU in conference (but the NDSU lost isn't noted, as they'd already played a game), and the NDSU win over Kansas is counted too. Here's a crappy cut & paste from excel:


Wofford - L 33-10 at Ohio 23
W&M - L 27-23 at UMass 4
SC State - L 41-10 at Georgia Tech 31
Coastal Carolina - L 31-0 at West Virginia 31
SF Austin - L 48-7 at Texas A&M 41
Villanova - L 31-24 at Temple 7
EWU - L 49-24 at Nevada 25
SEMO - L 27-10 at Ball State 17
Robert Morris - L 28-14 at Dayton 14


BCS WIN North Dakota State - W 6-3 at Kansas
BCS WIN Jacksonville St. - W 49-48 at Ole Miss in 2 OT

DOWN Delaware - W 31-0 vs. West Chester
DOWN Bethune Cookman - W 70-10 vs. Edward Waters
DOWN Montana State - W 59-10 vs. Fort Lewis

CONF AWAY Appalachian State - W 42-41 at Chattanooga

CONF HOME Northern Iowa - W 16-9 vs. NDSU (week two)

NON CONF AWAY Lehigh - W 28-14 AT Drake

NON CONF HOME UNH - W 33-3 vs. Central Connecticut State
NON CONF HOME GA Southern - W 48-3 vs. Savannah State
NON CONF HOME Western Illinois - W 45-0 vs. Valpo

[danefan]

danefan, yes, please feel free to come back to this thread to apologize once Lehigh makes the top ten this week...


Once again...what?

Lehigh has done nothing this season to support a top ten spot. If they end getting artificially elevated, than the only people that should be apologizing are the ones that vot ethem that high.

Read again smart guy. I've never said they won't be. I just said they shouldn't be.

Remeber though "educated" voters-If you vote Lehigh a top ten team please feel free to remember to vote every other NEC team that puts 42 up on Monmouth this year as a top ten team. Ther will be a few of them.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

I just submitted my poll, and upon reading the confirmation, I hadn't realized how many Wildcats there are in the FCS. There are four teams with Wildcat mascots in my top 25.

[darell1976]

You have 4 of my top 5. UNI just made my top 5. William and mary was my #2 but they are just out of the top 5 in this poll.

Okay so I guess my poll isn't too bad.xthumbsupx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I would just like to point out that Wofford - a team that came from behind against a team that's 2-20 as a member of FCS - is jumping in into the Top 5 from No. 7 to No. 4 in many pollster's minds. Yet somehow Lehigh shouldn't jump closer to the Top Ten with a resounding win over Monmouth? It would not shock me in the slightest if Monmouth's record this year is better than Presbyterian's.

I mean, I get it, Wofford's rise is largely due to the simple fact that they won, and the teams above them lost. But I'm mystified as to why the same doesn't happen to Lehigh, and even jump over some teams that squeaked by and had to come from behind against, frankly, inferior teams.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

I would just like to point out that Wofford - a team that came from behind against a team that's 2-20 as a member of FCS - is jumping in into the Top 5 from No. 7 to No. 4 in many pollster's minds. Yet somehow Lehigh shouldn't jump closer to the Top Ten with a resounding win over Monmouth? It would not shock me in the slightest if Monmouth's record this year is better than Presbyterian's.

I mean, I get it, Wofford's rise is largely due to the simple fact that they won, and the teams above them lost. But I'm mystified as to why the same doesn't happen to Lehigh, and even jump over some teams that squeaked by and had to come from behind against, frankly, inferior teams.

It's the first week poll and Wofford started out higher than Lehigh. The win against Monmouth was nice, but Monmouth isn't a known or traditional FCS powerhouse. I don't have Wofford in the top 5, but I do have them in the top 10. I have Lehigh just outside of the top 10. If Lehigh beats UNH next week they're top 10 easy, if they beat Princeton, Liberty, and Yale afterwards they're top 5 IMO.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

It's the first week poll and Wofford started out higher than Lehigh. The win against Monmouth was nice, but Monmouth isn't a known or traditional FCS powerhouse. I don't have Wofford in the top 5, but I do have them in the top 10. I have Lehigh just outside of the top 10. If Lehigh beats UNH next week they're top 10 easy, if they beat Princeton, Liberty, and Yale afterwards they're top 5 IMO.

I understand what you're saying, and I think many voters share your thought process. But are UT Martin and Presbyterian "known or traditional FCS powerhouses"? Just sayin'.

[Squealofthepig]

I would just like to point out that Wofford - a team that came from behind against a team that's 2-20 as a member of FCS - is jumping in into the Top 5 from No. 7 to No. 4 in many pollster's minds. Yet somehow Lehigh shouldn't jump closer to the Top Ten with a resounding win over Monmouth? It would not shock me in the slightest if Monmouth's record this year is better than Presbyterian's.

I mean, I get it, Wofford's rise is largely due to the simple fact that they won, and the teams above them lost. But I'm mystified as to why the same doesn't happen to Lehigh, and even jump over some teams that squeaked by and had to come from behind against, frankly, inferior teams.

First: Lehigh is jumping up in my vote, and Wofford is dropping a few.

But: Jesus. Lehigh beat a team that went 3-8 last year. 3-8! Monmouth is not a team that most voters hold in high esteem. Or medium esteem. Or even in lowesteemistan. Wofford is competitive in conference and schedules teams that actually do incredulous things like, umm, win games.

App State had a very, very poor showing. But in the mind of this voter, they would still clean the clock of Monmouth. Lehigh won and, as I said above, they'll still move up in my poll. But that doesn't mean Lehigh deserves a top ten spot by virtue of beating -of all teams - Monmouth. Let Lehigh take the field against Virginia Tech and then let's talk apples and oranges. Beat a CAA team, for example, or are you still bitter you went 0-3 last year? (0-35 loss to Villanova; 10-31 loss to New Hampshire; 20-42 loss to Delaware).

Again: I consistently vote for Lehigh as a top 25 team. But comments like LFN's make me wonder if I'm just blatantly exercising my rights to vote stupidly.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I had Lehigh at #14 last week and i still have them at #14 after Saturday.

[ngineer]

First: Lehigh is jumping up in my vote, and Wofford is dropping a few.

But: Jesus. Lehigh beat a team that went 3-8 last year. 3-8! Monmouth is not a team that most voters hold in high esteem. Or medium esteem. Or even in lowesteemistan. Wofford is competitive in conference and schedules teams that actually do incredulous things like, umm, win games.

App State had a very, very poor showing. But in the mind of this voter, they would still clean the clock of Monmouth. Lehigh won and, as I said above, they'll still move up in my poll. But that doesn't mean Lehigh deserves a top ten spot by virtue of beating -of all teams - Monmouth. Let Lehigh take the field against Virginia Tech and then let's talk apples and oranges. Beat a CAA team, for example, or are you still bitter you went 0-3 last year? (0-35 loss to Villanova; 10-31 loss to New Hampshire; 20-42 loss to Delaware).

Again: I consistently vote for Lehigh as a top 25 team. But comments like LFN's make me wonder if I'm just blatantly exercising my rights to vote stupidly.

IF we're looking at last year's records, five of Monmouth's losses were each by one point, including Colgate at Colgate. LFN's point is just looking for consistency. Presbyterian is certainly no "traditional power" so if Wofford rises by a tough win over the Blue Hose, Lehigh should as well by winning in a blow out that many said would be close. Lehigh pulled all their starters after the third quarter. However, I also, feel this will all take care of itself in the next couple weeks.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

First: Lehigh is jumping up in my vote, and Wofford is dropping a few.

But: Jesus. Lehigh beat a team that went 3-8 last year. 3-8! Monmouth is not a team that most voters hold in high esteem. Or medium esteem. Or even in lowesteemistan. Wofford is competitive in conference and schedules teams that actually do incredulous things like, umm, win games.

Presbyterian.

[Twentysix]

I would just like to point out that Wofford - a team that came from behind against a team that's 2-20 as a member of FCS - is jumping in into the Top 5 from No. 7 to No. 4 in many pollster's minds. Yet somehow Lehigh shouldn't jump closer to the Top Ten with a resounding win over Monmouth? It would not shock me in the slightest if Monmouth's record this year is better than Presbyterian's.

I mean, I get it, Wofford's rise is largely due to the simple fact that they won, and the teams above them lost. But I'm mystified as to why the same doesn't happen to Lehigh, and even jump over some teams that squeaked by and had to come from behind against, frankly, inferior teams.

Lehigh jumped up 2 spots in my poll. Wofford jumped 1. Not for quality of victory more because other teams got smushed. If neither team deserves The ranking they will fall in later weeks.

[Cocky]

I understand what you're saying, and I think many voters share your thought process. But are UT Martin and Presbyterian "known or traditional FCS powerhouses"? Just sayin'.
Vote us where you want but Martin has been in the playoffs recently and predicted to finish ahead of us by some.

Has Monmouth been in the playoffs?