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Cocky
February 15th, 2006, 07:32 AM
http://www.showingblitz.com/2006toprbs.html

bluehenbillk
February 15th, 2006, 08:10 AM
For what it's worth Bradley (going to UD) was rated by Rivals as the 60th best RB in the country. Was recruited heavily by Boston College.

Keeler supposedly told him he'd get carries as a true FR, probably in short yardage or goal line situations, as Omar Cuff has gotta be at or near the top of the list in 1-AA RB's this year, JMU fans can tell you all about Omar.

UNH 40
February 15th, 2006, 08:21 AM
UNH has a freshman RB that not a lot of people know they have. A young man named Chad Kackert from Cali. didn't come to camp or attend class this fall because he was injured. This allowed him to recieve a gray shirt. He just got to campus for the first time in January. In his senior season alone he ran for over 3200 yards and scored 55 TD's. Supposedly runs 4.4 or under and has very good shake. I believe he is around 5'8"-5'9" and 190lbs cut and very strong. Not that he should be on this list because he was recruited last year, just thought i would mension because i think he could be a good one.

Cocky
February 15th, 2006, 08:21 AM
Wynn is a very good pick up for Chattanooga. I don't know a much about several of the players listed but he can play.

UNH 40
February 15th, 2006, 08:23 AM
For what it's worth Bradley (going to UD) was rated by Rivals as the 60th best RB in the country. Was recruited heavily by Boston College.

Keeler supposedly told him he'd get carries as a true FR, probably in short yardage or goal line situations, as Omar Cuff has gotta be at or near the top of the list in 1-AA RB's this year, JMU fans can tell you all about Omar.

I have heard a lot about the Bradley kid and sounds like he is the real deal. It will only help him learning from a guy like Cuff. That could be a great backfield tandom.

boozeANDammo
February 15th, 2006, 08:33 AM
...as Omar Cuff has gotta be at or near the top of the list in 1-AA RB's this year, JMU fans can tell you all about Omar.

[In my best Side Show Bob voice...]

Ughhhhhh. Youuuuuu againnnn. ;)

Cuff. Kid can run, no doubt about it.

Our backs ain't so bad dem'selves! Fenner and Banks, baby! Sean Price will be a fine addition and it's been forecasted that he's the same type back as Fenner. Look for him to be between 6'2 and 6'4, 225-240 by the time he's a junior. xcoffeex

bluehenbillk
February 15th, 2006, 08:41 AM
Price is a solid player from a solid program, I'm surprised we really didn't go after him, but I think we kinda ignored the Baltimore area for some reason.

tsutiger
February 15th, 2006, 08:49 AM
25. Terrence Wright 5-10/190 Houston, TX (Westside) Tennessee St

I heard this kid has great speed. He should fit in nice with our current RB who was OVC Freshman of the year and Second team all OVC last season.

We're starting to have some luck with RB out of Texas. Watch out OVC!

GannonFan
February 15th, 2006, 09:14 AM
I have heard a lot about the Bradley kid and sounds like he is the real deal. It will only help him learning from a guy like Cuff. That could be a great backfield tandom.

UD also has Danny Jones in the backfield group as well - he looked real good in spot duty filling in for Cuff and even tore off 100+ yards in the second half alone against Maine in his only real extended duty. With Bradley, UD's got a fair amount of good backs for what is essentially a one back offense (assuming they don't go to more two-back sets).

As for the Price kid, UD just doesn't need too many RB's - Cuff is only a junior this year, Jones a sophomore, and Bradley could play as a true freshman - Cuff is going to get the lionshare even now as it is - it would be tough to bring in two real stud RB's into that type of a situation - UD liked Bradley and went that way. When you're talking about two good recruits, you could be correct going either way.

UNH 40
February 15th, 2006, 09:29 AM
UD also has Danny Jones in the backfield group as well - he looked real good in spot duty filling in for Cuff and even tore off 100+ yards in the second half alone against Maine in his only real extended duty. With Bradley, UD's got a fair amount of good backs for what is essentially a one back offense (assuming they don't go to more two-back sets).

As for the Price kid, UD just doesn't need too many RB's - Cuff is only a junior this year, Jones a sophomore, and Bradley could play as a true freshman - Cuff is going to get the lionshare even now as it is - it would be tough to bring in two real stud RB's into that type of a situation - UD liked Bradley and went that way. When you're talking about two good recruits, you could be correct going either way.

With the potential backfield the could have the should go back to the Delaware wing T.

GannonFan
February 15th, 2006, 09:31 AM
With the potential backfield the could have the should go back to the Delaware wing T.

While I certainly loved the Wing-T, I'll take any offense that helps UD win. I'm not picky anymore.

Tribe4SF
February 15th, 2006, 09:32 AM
Rob has me scratching my head again on this one. Karrington Bush? How he ranks him at the head of this class is beyond me.

At least there's no homer this time with Bradley at #3. He's ligit.

Tribe has a contender here with Evan Francks from Shawnee, NJ.

Ronbo
February 15th, 2006, 10:11 AM
Chase Reynolds is a perfect example of overlooked Montana athletes. He rushed for 5240 yards and had 114 TD's. That's 120 yards and 2.59 TD's per game his entire HS career. Coach Hauck said he dominated the Grizzly summer camps two years running. We did beat out Wyoming, Colorado State, and MSU for him. If this kid played in California, Washington, or Oregon he'd be D-I. I must say I'm very very happy Montana doesn't get recruited heavily, it keeps Montana near the top of I-AA year after year.

JoshUCA
February 15th, 2006, 10:11 AM
Looks like we got a good one in our first year as D-IAA!
21. Matt Clinkscales 6-1/210 Springdale, AR (Springdale) Central Arkansas

JoshUCA
February 15th, 2006, 10:17 AM
Someone posted these pictures over on our site...www.ucafans.com...I thought it was really awesome to see our Purple and Grey for UCA mixed in with all of those bigger schools!!
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/bulldogs1159/P02012006_1010011.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/bulldogs1159/P02012006_1010006.jpg

Cocky
February 15th, 2006, 10:20 AM
Nice indoor practice field.

Ronbo
February 15th, 2006, 10:39 AM
Does anyone find it curious that Delaware always has top 5 recruits in the SB rankings? You'd think they would be 15-0 every year with the fine recruits they get. Maybe a Coaching change is in order. :confused: Just joking Hen fans. Last year Rob didn't even list many Delaware recruits in his rankings.

fuEMO
February 15th, 2006, 11:02 AM
Mike Brown is a great pickup for Furman. Speedy, shifty tailback that can hit the corner and run between the tackles. The downside with Brown is his size. Looking at the film on him he is is closer to 5-7.

Also he will be way down on the depth chart for a while. Gipson, LaFrance, Standridge are all ahead of him. But he could see some time in the slot with Mims the other speedster in this class.

fuEMO
February 15th, 2006, 11:04 AM
I'm going to be curious to see what Rob comes up with ranking the linemen on both sides of the ball.

ChickenMan
February 15th, 2006, 11:11 AM
I'm going to be curious to see what Rob comes up with ranking the linemen on both sides of the ball.

Before Rob is accused of being a 'homer' again... I think UD's top recruit was Chris Daino... 6'5.. 275 OL/DL who was ranked as a Top 40 HS player in PA and was offered by Pitt and Penn St.

Ronbo
February 15th, 2006, 11:17 AM
Chase Reynolds is a perfect example of overlooked Montana athletes. He rushed for 5240 yards and had 114 TD's. That's 120 yards and 2.59 TD's per game his entire HS career. Coach Hauck said he dominated the Grizzly summer camps two years running. We did beat out Wyoming, Colorado State, and MSU for him. If this kid played in California, Washington, or Oregon he'd be D-I. I must say I'm very very happy Montana doesn't get recruited heavily, it keeps Montana near the top of I-AA year after year.

Lex Hilliard, another Montana athlete, was overlooked back in 2002. Wyoming I think offered him, but I think that was the only I-A offer. So he had a choice to play at lowly Wyoming or Montana. He has 2928 yards and 39 TD's going into his senior year. Last year he faced 8-9 in the box all season because of our weak passing attack and still got 1366 yards. Our all time leading rusher is Yohance Humphery at 4070 career yards. Look for Lex to easily break that this year if he stays healthy. We had an assistant coach move to a new job at Utah in 2005, he reported back to Missoula friends here that Lex would be the best back at Utah and would be the starter there.

Appstate29
February 15th, 2006, 11:45 AM
Devon Moore, who signed with Appalachian was being looked at by several I-A programs before he was injured both his junior and senior seasons, seeing as how he is ranked so 9th in I-AA after two injury riddled seasons, i can't wait to see how he looks in the spring.

lucchesicourt
February 15th, 2006, 12:23 PM
Looks like UCD faired very well so far, with Denham (QB), Trombetta, and Vallier. We should be well stocked for the 07 playoff run. WR also looks real good for the Ags with Sean Creadick, plus many of last years young receivers.

HPCAT
February 15th, 2006, 03:47 PM
Rob has me scratching my head again on this one. Karrington Bush? How he ranks him at the head of this class is beyond me.

At least there's no homer this time with Bradley at #3. He's ligit.

Tribe has a contender here with Evan Francks from Shawnee, NJ.

Even though TXST has it's leading rusher returning, either Bush or McCorkle could see action in 2006, even though we have some redshirt RBs that will want their chance at some playing time.

What makes you thing Bush is not legit ? Some info to digest on these guys before you see them on ESPN. :)

Karrington Bush, RB, 5-10, 176, Whitewright, Texas (Whitewright HS)
Unanimously named district's most valuable player as a senior as well as selected to the Class 2A All-State team as a running back ... the 2A Region II Offensive Most Valuable player as well as selected the All-Texoma MVP ... ran for 1,696 yards and 18 touchdowns as a senior ... had a 12.2 yards per carry average ... also had 310 receiving yards and caught four touchdown receptions ... also a return specialist who returned one punt for a touchdown and averaged 35 yards as Whitewright's punter

Although some Bobcat fans believe McCorkle may be the most talented of the two.

Andre McCorkle, RB, 6-2, 190, Corpus Christi, Texas (Flour Bluff HS)
Averaged 11.6 yards per carry, rushing for 1,978 yards and 23 touchdowns at Flour Bluff ... also had 125 receiving yards and caught one touchdown pass ... ran for 761 yards and 11 touchdowns as a junior ... also had 545 receiving yards and caught eight touchdown passes as a junior ... named the District 31-4A Most Valuable Player ... also the All-South Texas MVP, the All-Metro Offensive MVP and the Bay Area Offensive MVP ... tabbed third team as a member of the Class 4A All-State team

89rabbit
February 15th, 2006, 04:29 PM
Word on the street in Brookings is that we are so deep at RB that Stefan Geissler may be moved to LB.

txstatebobcat
February 15th, 2006, 04:57 PM
Even though TXST has it's leading rusher returning, either Bush or McCorkle could see action in 2006, even though we have some redshirt RBs that will want their chance at some playing time.

What makes you thing Bush is not legit ? Some info to digest on these guys before you see them on ESPN. :)

Karrington Bush, RB, 5-10, 176, Whitewright, Texas (Whitewright HS)
Unanimously named district's most valuable player as a senior as well as selected to the Class 2A All-State team as a running back ... the 2A Region II Offensive Most Valuable player as well as selected the All-Texoma MVP ... ran for 1,696 yards and 18 touchdowns as a senior ... had a 12.2 yards per carry average ... also had 310 receiving yards and caught four touchdown receptions ... also a return specialist who returned one punt for a touchdown and averaged 35 yards as Whitewright's punter

Although some Bobcat fans believe McCorkle may be the most talented of the two.

Andre McCorkle, RB, 6-2, 190, Corpus Christi, Texas (Flour Bluff HS)
Averaged 11.6 yards per carry, rushing for 1,978 yards and 23 touchdowns at Flour Bluff ... also had 125 receiving yards and caught one touchdown pass ... ran for 761 yards and 11 touchdowns as a junior ... also had 545 receiving yards and caught eight touchdown passes as a junior ... named the District 31-4A Most Valuable Player ... also the All-South Texas MVP, the All-Metro Offensive MVP and the Bay Area Offensive MVP ... tabbed third team as a member of the Class 4A All-State team

both of this guys were recruited heavily by I-A schools. McCorkle was offered by Kansas St. As a matter of fact, a lot of bobcat fans thought that we were going to loose him to the big 12 school. Lucky for us he didn't want to go to far from home.

GrizFamily
February 15th, 2006, 07:25 PM
Lex Hilliard, another Montana athlete, was overlooked back in 2002. Wyoming I think offered him, but I think that was the only I-A offer. So he had a choice to play at lowly Wyoming or Montana. He has 2928 yards and 39 TD's going into his senior year. Last year he faced 8-9 in the box all season because of our weak passing attack and still got 1366 yards. Our all time leading rusher is Yohance Humphery at 4070 career yards. Look for Lex to easily break that this year if he stays healthy. We had an assistant coach move to a new job at Utah in 2005, he reported back to Missoula friends here that Lex would be the best back at Utah and would be the starter there.

And with the addition of Bradshaw this year I'm very excited about how good we will be in the running game. Especially since we have a chance of having a good passing game too, with the addition of Swogger and Chambers. I really like where we are at right now. I wish we could fast forward to the start of the season and stop talking and start doing.

Brad82
February 15th, 2006, 08:08 PM
Joe Casey was best frosh RB (Rhody) in 1-AA last year (1st team all A-10)-did he have him ranked last year? Anthony Ferrer of this years class is just as good. He needs to be on this list.

JMU2004
February 15th, 2006, 09:15 PM
kinda easy to lead a league in rushing when you run the ball 50-60 times a game.....URI kid is solid, but I would take Banks, Fenner, and cuff before him

grizband
February 15th, 2006, 09:17 PM
Joe Casey was best frosh RB (Rhody) in 1-AA last year (1st team all A-10)-did he have him ranked last year? Anthony Ferrer of this years class is just as good. He needs to be on this list.
James Noble of Cal Poly was probably the best freshman running back last year. Here is his state line from last year:

James Noble
11 games
223 rush attempts
1578 yards
143.5 yards/game
7.1 yards/carry
74 long
16 touchdowns

3rd team all american
week 11 I-AA offensive player of the week
i-aa.org all-star team member

Ronbo
February 15th, 2006, 10:28 PM
James Noble of Cal Poly was probably the best freshman running back last year. Here is his state line from last year:

James Noble
11 games
223 rush attempts
1578 yards
143.5 yards/game
7.1 yards/carry
74 long
16 touchdowns

3rd team all american
week 11 I-AA offensive player of the week
i-aa.org all-star team member

Great numbers. Isn't Cal Poly the team that Lex shredded for 237 yards?

Once again, easy to put up those numbers if you are an option running team like Cal Poly. Wonder what kind of numbers Lex would put up in an option attack. Can you imagine a 230 lb. back that runs 4.5 coming around the corner at you.

grizband
February 15th, 2006, 11:05 PM
Great numbers. Isn't Cal Poly the team that Lex shredded for 237 yards?

Once again, easy to put up those numbers if you are an option running team like Cal Poly. Wonder what kind of numbers Lex would put up in an option attack. Can you imagine a 230 lb. back that runs 4.5 coming around the corner at you.
But Ronbo, we do run the option...the SPREAD option.
Seriously, though, I wonder what Lex could do in an option attack.
:rolleyes: That would be interesting to watch.

slostang
February 16th, 2006, 12:03 AM
Great numbers. Isn't Cal Poly the team that Lex shredded for 237 yards?

Once again, easy to put up those numbers if you are an option running team like Cal Poly. Wonder what kind of numbers Lex would put up in an option attack. Can you imagine a 230 lb. back that runs 4.5 coming around the corner at you.
Isn't Montana the team Cal Poly beat in the first round of the playoffs and James Noble ran for 188 yards and 4 TDs and Lex only had 94 yards rushing?

If the option is so easy, why doesn't Montana and everyone else run it?
I think Montana is a great program and Lex is a stud and would do well in any offense, but I think James Noble is a great running back and would do well also. He only a freshman and will only get better.

I am looking forward to making my third trip to Missoula in two years. What a great football city.

Brad82
February 16th, 2006, 05:54 AM
Was Cuff a frosh last year-he is with Delaware correct? If only frosh-Wow. Certainly as good as Casey.

SoCon48
February 16th, 2006, 06:36 AM
http://www.showingblitz.com/2006toprbs.html

This is all fine and dandy (and I'm glad to see ASU has one on the list), but we all have to get real. Bottom line. How many plays have these guys run in college football?

bluehenbillk
February 16th, 2006, 06:52 AM
Cuff was a sophomore last year, he has 2 years left.

Tribe4SF
February 16th, 2006, 07:09 AM
Even though TXST has it's leading rusher returning, either Bush or McCorkle could see action in 2006, even though we have some redshirt RBs that will want their chance at some playing time.

What makes you thing Bush is not legit ? Some info to digest on these guys before you see them on ESPN. :)

Karrington Bush, RB, 5-10, 176, Whitewright, Texas (Whitewright HS)
Unanimously named district's most valuable player as a senior as well as selected to the Class 2A All-State team as a running back ... the 2A Region II Offensive Most Valuable player as well as selected the All-Texoma MVP ... ran for 1,696 yards and 18 touchdowns as a senior ... had a 12.2 yards per carry average ... also had 310 receiving yards and caught four touchdown receptions ... also a return specialist who returned one punt for a touchdown and averaged 35 yards as Whitewright's punter

Although some Bobcat fans believe McCorkle may be the most talented of the two.

Andre McCorkle, RB, 6-2, 190, Corpus Christi, Texas (Flour Bluff HS)
Averaged 11.6 yards per carry, rushing for 1,978 yards and 23 touchdowns at Flour Bluff ... also had 125 receiving yards and caught one touchdown pass ... ran for 761 yards and 11 touchdowns as a junior ... also had 545 receiving yards and caught eight touchdown passes as a junior ... named the District 31-4A Most Valuable Player ... also the All-South Texas MVP, the All-Metro Offensive MVP and the Bay Area Offensive MVP ... tabbed third team as a member of the Class 4A All-State team

My point was not to demean Bush, he's a good prospect. What I question is Rob ranking him as the best prospect. I agree with some of your fans who would rank McCorkle higher. I've seen nothing on Bush that would tell me he's the best RB signed by a I-AA. He put up good numbers, but he played in Class 2A, and is not very big.

Rob's first two #1 rankings (Kelleher at QB is the other), are not very defensible to me. I appreciate his doing the rankings, but some of them would not be close to a consensus of real evaluators. If I were him, I'd just list a top 25 alphabetically. Unless he's doing this full-time for a living, it's impossible to make these fine distinctions.

colgate13
February 16th, 2006, 08:10 AM
James Noble of Cal Poly was probably the best freshman running back last year. Here is his state line from last year:

James Noble
11 games
223 rush attempts
1578 yards
143.5 yards/game
7.1 yards/carry
74 long
16 touchdowns

3rd team all american
week 11 I-AA offensive player of the week
i-aa.org all-star team member

And if it wasn't Noble, it was Jordan Scott of Colgate.

11 games (8 starts I believe if not 7)
320 rush attempts
1364 yards
124 yards/game
4.3 yards/carry
80 long
10 touchdowns

The YPG stat is misleading because of how often he played in the first 3 games. If you look at his starts, the average is closer to if not over 170 per game.

Noble's got a better per carry mark and more TDs, so I'm not going to debate Scott was better. But Scott deserves a lot of credit for Colgate finishing as strong as we did after a 1-2 start in which he did not play.

GannonFan
February 16th, 2006, 08:16 AM
My point was not to demean Bush, he's a good prospect. What I question is Rob ranking him as the best prospect. I agree with some of your fans who would rank McCorkle higher. I've seen nothing on Bush that would tell me he's the best RB signed by a I-AA. He put up good numbers, but he played in Class 2A, and is not very big.

Rob's first two #1 rankings (Kelleher at QB is the other), are not very defensible to me. I appreciate his doing the rankings, but some of them would not be close to a consensus of real evaluators. If I were him, I'd just list a top 25 alphabetically. Unless he's doing this full-time for a living, it's impossible to make these fine distinctions.

I think you're being a little harsh and maybe taking this a little too seriously. You can't possibly know what a consensus of real evaluators would say because, as you've pointed out before, some of these kids are never seen by "real evaluators" so it's a bit of a crap shoot. Even the real evaluators screw up a fair amount so even if they did all agree that wouldn't put that much more credence in the selection. Rob is apparently looking over everybody, looking at the information that is out there, and taking an educated stab at it. It's all for fun and it's apparently trying to be objective - I'm sure if there were 10 more Rob's out there you could end up with 10 more opinions. Take it for what it's worth and enjoy the off-season.

Brad82
February 16th, 2006, 09:14 AM
I don't understand the comparison of Cuff (soph.) VS Casey (frosh)? How many 1st year frosh RB's out produced statistically Joe Casey in 1-AA last year?

00bluehen
February 16th, 2006, 09:53 AM
I know 4SF does a real good job of tracking the Virginia prep athletes, but his criticism of Rob would have a stronger foundation, IMO, if he offered up his own rankings. At least Rob has an opinion, and he has never claimed to be an expert in his rankings--they're just for fun, and based on the information (written and visual) that he has in front of him. All I wanna know, 4SF, is what you'd do differently!

colgate13
February 16th, 2006, 09:53 AM
How many 1st year frosh RB's out produced statistically Joe Casey in 1-AA last year?

Here's the list to Casey:

Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
1. Nick Hartigan, Brown 10 314 1727 20 5.50 172.70
2. Scott Phaydavong, Drake 10 204 1550 8 7.60 155.00
3. Joe Rubin, Portland St. 11 345 1702 17 4.93 154.73
4. James Noble, Cal Poly 11 223 1578 16 7.08 143.45
5. Jermaine Austin, Ga. Southern 12 233 1546 14 6.64 128.83
6. Donald Chapman, Tenn.-Martin 11 302 1396 16 4.62 126.91
7. Jeremy McCoy, Alcorn St. 9 185 1129 5 6.10 125.44
8. Jordan Scott, Colgate 11 320 1364 10 4.26 124.00
9. Jeff Horton, Valparaiso 11 257 1358 10 5.28 123.45
10. Jayson Foster, Ga. Southern 12 239 1481 21 6.20 123.42
11. Clay Green, Jacksonville St. 11 223 1352 11 6.06 122.91
12. Arkee Whitlock, Southern Ill. 12 270 1457 14 5.40 121.42
13. Clifton Dawson, Harvard 10 258 1139 11 4.41 113.90
14. Ed Pricolo, Sacred Heart 10 222 1133 14 5.10 113.30
15. Joe Casey, Rhode Island 11 235 1245 8 5.30 113.18
The freshman that I know of are in red. Did I miss anyone?

Hansel
February 16th, 2006, 09:55 AM
Here's the list to Casey:

Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
1. Nick Hartigan, Brown 10 314 1727 20 5.50 172.70
2. Scott Phaydavong, Drake 10 204 1550 8 7.60 155.00
3. Joe Rubin, Portland St. 11 345 1702 17 4.93 154.73
4. James Noble, Cal Poly 11 223 1578 16 7.08 143.45
5. Jermaine Austin, Ga. Southern 12 233 1546 14 6.64 128.83
6. Donald Chapman, Tenn.-Martin 11 302 1396 16 4.62 126.91
7. Jeremy McCoy, Alcorn St. 9 185 1129 5 6.10 125.44
8. Jordan Scott, Colgate 11 320 1364 10 4.26 124.00
9. Jeff Horton, Valparaiso 11 257 1358 10 5.28 123.45
10. Jayson Foster, Ga. Southern 12 239 1481 21 6.20 123.42
11. Clay Green, Jacksonville St. 11 223 1352 11 6.06 122.91
12. Arkee Whitlock, Southern Ill. 12 270 1457 14 5.40 121.42
13. Clifton Dawson, Harvard 10 258 1139 11 4.41 113.90
14. Ed Pricolo, Sacred Heart 10 222 1133 14 5.10 113.30
15. Joe Casey, Rhode Island 11 235 1245 8 5.30 113.18
The freshman that I know of are in red. Did I miss anyone?
Noble was a stud last year 7+ yards per carry

foghorn
February 16th, 2006, 10:10 AM
I think you're being a little harsh and maybe taking this a little too seriously. You can't possibly know what a consensus of real evaluators would say because, as you've pointed out before, some of these kids are never seen by "real evaluators" so it's a bit of a crap shoot. Even the real evaluators screw up a fair amount so even if they did all agree that wouldn't put that much more credence in the selection. Rob is apparently looking over everybody, looking at the information that is out there, and taking an educated stab at it. It's all for fun and it's apparently trying to be objective - I'm sure if there were 10 more Rob's out there you could end up with 10 more opinions. Take it for what it's worth and enjoy the off-season.
There are a few who are overly cynical and seem to find pleasure in discrediting someone else.
Rob has done an outstanding job in keeping us football lovers 'in the know' during this long off-season. If one takes 'issue' with his opinions on I-AA football than I think one should lighten up a little.
Keep up the great work, Rob!

grizband
February 16th, 2006, 10:29 AM
Noble was a stud last year 7+ yards per carry
I got to see him play twice last year, and all I can say is wow. That guy should be great for the next 3 years!

Ronbo
February 16th, 2006, 10:48 AM
Here's the list to Casey:

Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
1. Nick Hartigan, Brown 10 314 1727 20 5.50 172.70
2. Scott Phaydavong, Drake 10 204 1550 8 7.60 155.00
3. Joe Rubin, Portland St. 11 345 1702 17 4.93 154.73
4. James Noble, Cal Poly 11 223 1578 16 7.08 143.45
5. Jermaine Austin, Ga. Southern 12 233 1546 14 6.64 128.83
6. Donald Chapman, Tenn.-Martin 11 302 1396 16 4.62 126.91
7. Jeremy McCoy, Alcorn St. 9 185 1129 5 6.10 125.44
8. Jordan Scott, Colgate 11 320 1364 10 4.26 124.00
9. Jeff Horton, Valparaiso 11 257 1358 10 5.28 123.45
10. Jayson Foster, Ga. Southern 12 239 1481 21 6.20 123.42
11. Clay Green, Jacksonville St. 11 223 1352 11 6.06 122.91
12. Arkee Whitlock, Southern Ill. 12 270 1457 14 5.40 121.42
13. Clifton Dawson, Harvard 10 258 1139 11 4.41 113.90
14. Ed Pricolo, Sacred Heart 10 222 1133 14 5.10 113.30
15. Joe Casey, Rhode Island 11 235 1245 8 5.30 113.18
The freshman that I know of are in red. Did I miss anyone?

None of those three diaper dandies was on last years top runningback recruits list.

2005 Top RB Recruits (http://www.showingblitz.com/2005toprbs.html)

Tribe4SF
February 16th, 2006, 11:09 AM
I know 4SF does a real good job of tracking the Virginia prep athletes, but his criticism of Rob would have a stronger foundation, IMO, if he offered up his own rankings. At least Rob has an opinion, and he has never claimed to be an expert in his rankings--they're just for fun, and based on the information (written and visual) that he has in front of him. All I wanna know, 4SF, is what you'd do differently!

For you, GF, and others, I don't take this too seriously. If Rob offers up the list for discussion, what's wrong with me sharing my opinions? Rob's a big boy. I'm sure he'll survive my questioning his top picks. My guess is he feels good that his efforts are getting seen and discussed. He and I have exchanged a pm, and I hope it keeps up so I might learn something from him. I love talking prospects, and am always interested in how folks evaluate them.

As for what I'd do differently, I cited that earlier. I'd list a top 25 alphabetically. When you pick someone as the best at their position, I'm interested to know why. I'd never heard of Bush till I saw the ranking, and investigated him after. Still haven't seen film of him. Kelleher, I was aware of, and already had an opinion.

As for me doing a ranking, it's the kind of thing I would love to do, but I don't have the time. So I have to be content to take potshots at Rob's work, and be envious of his efforts.

lucchesicourt
February 16th, 2006, 11:38 AM
May I ask how many of the 2005 group of RB's red shirted and will only see action this year?

Ronbo
February 16th, 2006, 11:41 AM
I can only speak of Thomas Brooks-Fletcher (Montana) and Isaiah Taito (MSU), they both red shirted. The others I have no idea.

colgate13
February 16th, 2006, 12:23 PM
None of those three diaper dandies was on last years top runningback recruits list.

2005 Top RB Recruits (http://www.showingblitz.com/2005toprbs.html)

Interesting that Colgate's got a fullback on that list to compliment Jordan Scott (who wasn't)...

Redshirt or not, it may take 2-3 years before you can look at that list and see who 'lived up to their billiing'.

Tribe4SF
February 16th, 2006, 12:57 PM
May I ask how many of the 2005 group of RB's red shirted and will only see action this year?

I believe only the following played as true freshmen.

Ryan Grieser, Liberty
RC Lagomarsino, Princeton
Mike McLeod, Yale (leading rusher)
Marcus Mailei, Weber St.
Mike Pigram, W&M (as a LB)

GannonFan
February 16th, 2006, 01:50 PM
I believe only the following played as true freshmen.

Ryan Grieser, Liberty
RC Lagomarsino, Princeton
Mike McLeod, Yale (leading rusher)
Marcus Mailei, Weber St.
Mike Pigram, W&M (as a LB)

Not sure of the others (except for McLeod obviously) but Greiser only had 15 carries all season for Liberty and Lagomarsino had all of 2 carries for Princeton (anyone know why they burned his redshirt - did he just not want to redshirt?).

MR. CHICKEN
February 16th, 2006, 02:38 PM
Not sure of the others (except for McLeod obviously) but Greiser only had 15 carries all season for Liberty and Lagomarsino had all of 2 carries for Princeton (anyone know why they burned his redshirt - did he just not want to redshirt?).

AH BELIEVE IVIES DON'T RED-SHIRT!............: smh :............BRAWK!

GannonFan
February 16th, 2006, 02:59 PM
AH BELIEVE IVIES DON'T RED-SHIRT!............: smh :............BRAWK!

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

colgate13
February 16th, 2006, 03:22 PM
He should be happy he played at all! Ivies used to ban freshman play not so long ago too...

Cocky
February 16th, 2006, 06:09 PM
This is all fine and dandy (and I'm glad to see ASU has one on the list), but we all have to get real. Bottom line. How many plays have these guys run in college football?


At least we're getting to talk about football.

FlyBoy8
February 16th, 2006, 06:32 PM
None of those three diaper dandies was on last years top runningback recruits list.

Noble was a redshirt freshman.

slostang
February 16th, 2006, 09:43 PM
Noble was a redshirt freshman.
I do not believe that he was on the list the year before.

Hansel
February 16th, 2006, 09:51 PM
I do not believe that he was on the list the year before.
I don't think there was a list the year before :)

TXST_CAT
February 16th, 2006, 10:19 PM
Highlight of TXST RB Juco Transfer.



http://www.reedleycollege.edu/athletics/Football/2005/PLAYER%20HIGHLIGHTS/JAMAL.htm


:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

slostang
February 16th, 2006, 10:22 PM
I don't think there was a list the year before :)
You got me Hansel. I guess my point was not many people outside of Cal Poly knew who James Nobel was before last year.

GeauxLions94
February 16th, 2006, 10:41 PM
20. Matt Betts 5-9/250 Springfield, LA (Hammond) Southeastern Louisiana

This guy blocked for LSU signee Troy Giddens at nearby Hammond High School and reminds most of "Ironhead" Heyward

And he could be the third best back we signed after getting transfers Jay Lucas (Texas A&M) and Kendrick Perry (Ole Miss)

kats89
February 16th, 2006, 11:26 PM
Who cares. How can you rank the RB's when they haven't even played a down of college football? Rank these kids in a year or two and see how they are doing.

SoCon48
February 17th, 2006, 06:55 AM
Who cares. How can you rank the RB's when they haven't even played a down of college football? Rank these kids in a year or two and see how they are doing.

BINGO!


However, most of the time I'd rather see us sign players with a bunch a stars than not. (which we seldom do)

colgate13
February 17th, 2006, 07:20 AM
Who cares. How can you rank the RB's when they haven't even played a down of college football? Rank these kids in a year or two and see how they are doing. I don't think people get too caught up in it, especially at this level. It's just something fun to do and talk about in February, with the season about 6 months away...

Cocky
February 17th, 2006, 08:20 AM
I believe Blake Earl was on the list last year. Earl was a prop therefore didn't play for JSU. He will probably change postions because we signed two other RBs that are better players than Earl.

Ronbo
February 17th, 2006, 10:40 AM
Who cares. How can you rank the RB's when they haven't even played a down of college football? Rank these kids in a year or two and see how they are doing.

Most people know that player rankings and recruiting class rankings are for fun, speculation, and off season fotter. That's till you get to the 3, 4, and 5 star kids. They are considered difference makers. The 4 and 5 stars more than the 3 stars. The 3 stars are players that have skills to be starters at I-A but rarely stars. The 4 and 5 star players are bonified difference maker potential. If you look at the 3, 4, and 5 star ranked players Coaches take them very seriously. 2 stars and below which is what I-AA deals with mostly are very hard to predict how they'll turn out, some excel and some are busts. It's a 50-50 crap shoot with 2 star and below.

TulsaBobcat
February 17th, 2006, 11:10 AM
I can only speak of Thomas Brooks-Fletcher (Montana) and Isaiah Taito (MSU), they both red shirted. The others I have no idea.

Taito did not redshirt. He only played special teams.

Lionsrking
February 17th, 2006, 11:11 AM
20. Matt Betts 5-9/250 Springfield, LA (Hammond) Southeastern Louisiana

This guy blocked for LSU signee Troy Giddens at nearby Hammond High School and reminds most of "Ironhead" Heyward

And he could be the third best back we signed after getting transfers Jay Lucas (Texas A&M) and Kendrick Perry (Ole Miss)


Actually Betts blocked for himself at Hammond High School :) . He was the primary ball carrier and routinely laid waste to would be tacklers. Giddens did carry the ball a lot this year and when he did, Betts lined up at FB. I agree he's probably third behind Kendrick Perry and Jay Lucas as far as backs we signed but he'll be hard to keep off the field as a true freshman. And just when you thought Jerome Bettis retired!!!:nod: :nod: :nod:

RedRum
February 21st, 2006, 09:06 AM
Cornell has a Pennsylvania kid listed as #24, Matt Kenney. I've seen this kid play -- he's legit: fast, big, great hands. Was recruited by several 1-A teams at safety but wanted to play on the offensive side of the ball.