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smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2008, 11:31 AM
2008 Walter Camp Football Championship Subdivision All-America Team

OFFENSE
WR Ramses Barden* Cal Poly Sr. 6-6 227 Altadena, CA
WR Terrell Hudgins* Elon Jr. 6-3 235 Rocky Mount, NC
TE Scott Sicko New Hampshire Jr. 6-3 230 Stillwater, NY
OL Colin Dow Montana Sr. 6-5 300 Billings, MT
OL Nick Hennessey Colgate Sr. 6-6 300 Danvers, MA
OL Joel Bell Furman Sr. 6-8 308 Spartanburg, SC
OL Jonathan Bieschke Appalachian State Sr. 6-5 275 Port St. Lucie, FL
C Scott Lemn James Madison Sr. 6-3 285 Virginia Beach, VA
QB Armanti Edwards Appalachian State Jr. 6-0 184 Greenwood, SC
RB Herb Donaldson Western Illinois Sr. 5-11 225 St. Louis, MO
RB Rashad Jennings Liberty Sr. 6-1 230 Forest, VA
PK Andrew Wilcox Elon Sr. 6-2 231 Richmond, VA

DEFENSE
DL Greg Peach Eastern Washington Sr. 6-2 250 Vancouver, WA
DL Jovan Belcher Maine Sr. 6-2 228 West Babylon, NY
DL Larry Hart Central Arkansas Jr. 6-1 242 Madison, MS
DL Greg Miller Villanova Sr. 6-3 250 Willow Grove, PA
DL John Faletoese UC Davis Sr. 6-3 292 Carmichael, CA
LB Nathan Williams Murray State Sr. 6-1 225 Murray, KY
LB Zach East Prairie View A&M Sr. 6-2 230 Houston, TX
LB Bobby Abare Yale Sr. 6-2 220 Acton-Boxboro, MA
DB Mark LeGree Appalachian State Soph. 6-0 200 Columbus, GA
DB Marcus Haywood James Madison Sr. 6-0 190 Williamsburg, VA
DB Colt Anderson Montana Sr. 5-11 195 Butte, MT
DB K.J. Gerard Northern Arizona Sr. 6-1 187 Fountain Valley, CA
P Robbie Dehaze Northern Arizona Sr. 6-3 193 Sherwood, OR
KR LeRoy Vann Florida A&M Jr. 5-9 182 Tampa, FL

* - 2007 Walter Camp FCS All-America selection

http://waltercamp.org/index.php/news/walter_camp_names_2008_fcs_all_america_team/

Peems
December 12th, 2008, 11:36 AM
Congrats to all who made the team especially MT's own Colin Dow and Butte America's own Colt Anderson!

UNHFootballAlum
December 12th, 2008, 11:37 AM
Congrats to Scott Sicko and all of the All Americans

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2008, 11:52 AM
Overall pretty good but I don't see these selections. I would put McGee over Vann and there are about 10 others I would have put over Bieschke.

OFFENSE
OL Jonathan Bieschke Appalachian State Sr. 6-5 275 Port St. Lucie, FL

KR LeRoy Vann Florida A&M Jr. 5-9 182 Tampa, FL

appfan2008
December 12th, 2008, 12:05 PM
Overall pretty good but I don't see these selections. I would put McGee over Vann and there are about 10 others I would have put over Bieschke.

OFFENSE
OL Jonathan Bieschke Appalachian State Sr. 6-5 275 Port St. Lucie, FL

KR LeRoy Vann Florida A&M Jr. 5-9 182 Tampa, FL

I was pretty pleased by seeing 3 app selections but even as the app homer that i am, bieschke surprised me a little especially following the job he did against richmond but i am sure this was calculated after the regular season... but still a little surprising

ericsaid
December 12th, 2008, 01:07 PM
Good list.

Big Dawg
December 14th, 2008, 01:06 AM
Overall pretty good but I don't see these selections. I would put McGee over Vann and there are about 10 others I would have put over Bieschke.

OFFENSE
OL Jonathan Bieschke Appalachian State Sr. 6-5 275 Port St. Lucie, FL

KR LeRoy Vann Florida A&M Jr. 5-9 182 Tampa, FL


Why??? Vann ran back 6 kickoffs and punts for Touchdowns and played lights out on defense.

He broke and tied NCAA records this season.

phoenixphanatic21
December 14th, 2008, 01:11 AM
Congrats to Terrell Hudgins and Andrew Wilcox!

GrizNation93
December 14th, 2008, 01:21 AM
How the hell is Mariani left off this list??!!??

grizband
December 14th, 2008, 01:25 AM
How the hell is Mariani left off this list??!!??
Honestly, I think Mariani is 1.c behind the two guys on the first team. I could argue he should be there, and argue he shouldn't...but, whose team is still playing this week? And, who will be around next year to tear up the FCS?

Hoyadestroya85
December 14th, 2008, 01:26 AM
I'm gonna miss Greg Miller next year

colorless raider
December 14th, 2008, 05:26 AM
Congratulations Nick. Best of luck to you and all the great seniors on the 2008 Red Raider squad. A great year!

danefan
December 14th, 2008, 11:03 AM
I think its a good list. I would put David McCarty at the #3 RB spot behind those two guys on the list, so he should be on all of the AA lists that have second teams for sure.

smallcollegefbfan
December 14th, 2008, 11:45 AM
Why??? Vann ran back 6 kickoffs and punts for Touchdowns and played lights out on defense.

He broke and tied NCAA records this season.

Nobody had more profilic returns in terms of the national scene than Scotty McGee. I have seen both this year and McGee should be 1st team with Vann 2nd team. Not saying Vann is not good but his returns did not impact the top 10 and playoffs seeds like McGee's did.

smallcollegefbfan
December 14th, 2008, 11:47 AM
Honestly, I think Mariani is 1.c behind the two guys on the first team. I could argue he should be there, and argue he shouldn't...but, whose team is still playing this week? And, who will be around next year to tear up the FCS?

These teams should be selected based on the regular season and most are. They didn't know when they selected these teams that Mariani would still be playing. Just because you are on the better team does not mean you are the better player. If we went by that then the 1st team All-America list should be solely Richmond and Montana players and let's be real, there is no way Ward or Bergquist is better than Edwards or Landers. You select the best player no matter what team they are on.

smallcollegefbfan
December 14th, 2008, 11:50 AM
I think its a good list. I would put David McCarty at the #3 RB spot behind those two guys on the list, so he should be on all of the AA lists that have second teams for sure.

What about Josh Vaughan, David Sinisi, and Will Ford? There is a lot of talented backs this year. Tough to say that McCarty has to be 2nd team over those other talented backs.

danefan
December 14th, 2008, 01:12 PM
What about Josh Vaughan, David Sinisi, and Will Ford? There is a lot of talented backs this year. Tough to say that McCarty has to be 2nd team over those other talented backs.

I don't think its that difficult:

Rushing stats:
Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
1. Herb Donaldson, Western Ill. 11 324 1784 21 5.51 162.18
2. David McCarty, Albany (N.Y.) 12 357 1852 13 5.19 154.33
3. David Sinisi, Monmouth 11 286 1674 22 5.85 152.18
4. James Mallory, Central Conn. St. 11 288 1520 15 5.28 138.18
5. Rashad Jennings, Liberty 11 263 1500 17 5.70 136.36
6. Toddrick Pendland, McNeese St. 11 219 1431 12 6.53 130.09
7. Jordan Scott, Colgate 9 221 1148 15 5.19 127.56
8. Rodney Landers, James Madison 14 268 1770 16 6.60 126.43
9. Jordan Culbreath, Princeton 10 213 1206 10 5.66 120.60
10. Ed Gowins, Stony Brook 11 140 1310 11 9.36 119.09
11. Chris Evans, Samford 11 260 1284 14 4.94 116.73
12. William Ford, South Carolina St. 13 246 1499 13 6.09 115.31
13. Tim Maypray, VMI 11 195 1266 12 6.49 115.09
14. Josh Vaughan, Richmond 15 332 1722 19 5.19 114.80

McCarty also had 356 receiving yards and 4 TDs.

IMO, he's pretty clear cut as 2nd team.

Vaughn makes the NC game, which is great, but he's averaged 40 yards less per game than McCarty.

Sinisi has less yards and his team lost head to head against McCarty on a day where McCarty had more yards.

Will Ford doesn't have great stats and sure his team made the playoffs, but because they won a conference. Winning the MEAC is no greater a victory than winning the NEC this year. The MEAC gets an AQ, but that has nothing to do with strength of conference this year.

CrunchGriz
December 14th, 2008, 01:14 PM
Just want to give a shout out for Walter Camp All-American SS Colt Anderson of the Montana Grizzlies, who had 18 tackles against JMU on Friday in the semifinal, all on a bad ankle.

Kid's a warrior.

smallcollegefbfan
December 14th, 2008, 01:21 PM
I don't think its that difficult:

Rushing stats:
Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
1. Herb Donaldson, Western Ill. 11 324 1784 21 5.51 162.18
2. David McCarty, Albany (N.Y.) 12 357 1852 13 5.19 154.33
3. David Sinisi, Monmouth 11 286 1674 22 5.85 152.18
4. James Mallory, Central Conn. St. 11 288 1520 15 5.28 138.18
5. Rashad Jennings, Liberty 11 263 1500 17 5.70 136.36
6. Toddrick Pendland, McNeese St. 11 219 1431 12 6.53 130.09
7. Jordan Scott, Colgate 9 221 1148 15 5.19 127.56
8. Rodney Landers, James Madison 14 268 1770 16 6.60 126.43
9. Jordan Culbreath, Princeton 10 213 1206 10 5.66 120.60
10. Ed Gowins, Stony Brook 11 140 1310 11 9.36 119.09
11. Chris Evans, Samford 11 260 1284 14 4.94 116.73
12. William Ford, South Carolina St. 13 246 1499 13 6.09 115.31
13. Tim Maypray, VMI 11 195 1266 12 6.49 115.09
14. Josh Vaughan, Richmond 15 332 1722 19 5.19 114.80

McCarty also had 356 receiving yards and 4 TDs.

IMO, he's pretty clear cut as 2nd team.

Vaughn makes the NC game, which is great, but he's averaged 40 yards less per game than McCarty.

Sinisi has less yards and his team lost head to head against McCarty on a day where McCarty had more yards.

Will Ford doesn't have great stats and sure his team made the playoffs, but because they won a conference. Winning the MEAC is no greater a victory than winning the NEC this year. The MEAC gets an AQ, but that has nothing to do with strength of conference this year.

Voters take into account the level of competition weekly. While McCarty performed well against solid teams he did not do it against anyone ranked in the top 10 at this point and that is something voters look at. If Albany were to play JMU, App State, Richmond, Villanova, etc. next year and he would still put up those type of numbers then I don't see any way voters leave him off the list.

I saw McCarty play and he is really good. I think he deserves to be an All-American but I also think level of competition plays a role just like it does with draft status, the Heisman, etc. He will be downgraded somewhat. Fair or not, that is how it is.

On some of the points of other players you can argue that McCarty ran over a Jacksonville team that was killed by 50 plus at App State and Vaughan ran wild over App State keying a victory there. While McCarty is a great player he has to prove it against ranked teams that he should be higher than the others.

Not sure if you can say the MEAC is really that bad. They just didn't have any great teams. SC State gave ASU a great game and the only team you have in common with ASU is Jacksonville and they were killed by twice as many points as you beat them.

I'm not against you, just giving you arguments that others are going to give. I hope McCarty makes some All-America teams but if he is snubbed from any I hope you realize that level of competition is why.

Hoyadestroya85
December 14th, 2008, 02:01 PM
Nobody had more profilic returns in terms of the national scene than Scotty McGee. I have seen both this year and McGee should be 1st team with Vann 2nd team. Not saying Vann is not good but his returns did not impact the top 10 and playoffs seeds like McGee's did.

People also stopped kicking to McGee.. he would have had more.

smcwildcat
December 14th, 2008, 02:29 PM
congrats sicko 2nd year in a row he is an NFL prospect

Big Dawg
December 14th, 2008, 02:57 PM
People also stopped kicking to McGee.. he would have had more.

People stopped kicking to Vann as well.

UMStudent
December 14th, 2008, 04:02 PM
No suprise to me seeing Greg Peach from EWU, he'll be in the NFL for sure.

mainejeff
December 14th, 2008, 04:03 PM
Congrats to Maine's Jovan Belcher and the rest of the All-Americans.

Go...gate
December 14th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Congratulations Nick. Best of luck to you and all the great seniors on the 2008 Red Raider squad. A great year!


Ditto that. xthumbsupx

argh!
December 14th, 2008, 05:38 PM
I don't think its that difficult:

Rushing stats:
Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
1. Herb Donaldson, Western Ill. 11 324 1784 21 5.51 162.18
2. David McCarty, Albany (N.Y.) 12 357 1852 13 5.19 154.33
3. David Sinisi, Monmouth 11 286 1674 22 5.85 152.18
4. James Mallory, Central Conn. St. 11 288 1520 15 5.28 138.18
5. Rashad Jennings, Liberty 11 263 1500 17 5.70 136.36
6. Toddrick Pendland, McNeese St. 11 219 1431 12 6.53 130.09
7. Jordan Scott, Colgate 9 221 1148 15 5.19 127.56
8. Rodney Landers, James Madison 14 268 1770 16 6.60 126.43
9. Jordan Culbreath, Princeton 10 213 1206 10 5.66 120.60
10. Ed Gowins, Stony Brook 11 140 1310 11 9.36 119.09
11. Chris Evans, Samford 11 260 1284 14 4.94 116.73
12. William Ford, South Carolina St. 13 246 1499 13 6.09 115.31
13. Tim Maypray, VMI 11 195 1266 12 6.49 115.09
14. Josh Vaughan, Richmond 15 332 1722 19 5.19 114.80

McCarty also had 356 receiving yards and 4 TDs.

IMO, he's pretty clear cut as 2nd team.

Vaughn makes the NC game, which is great, but he's averaged 40 yards less per game than McCarty.

Sinisi has less yards and his team lost head to head against McCarty on a day where McCarty had more yards.

Will Ford doesn't have great stats and sure his team made the playoffs, but because they won a conference. Winning the MEAC is no greater a victory than winning the NEC this year. The MEAC gets an AQ, but that has nothing to do with strength of conference this year.

what is this, an "east coast" stat line??? trevyn smith of the weebs was probably the best overall back in the fcs this year: (rush, yds, avg, long, td; rec, yds, avg, long, td)

295 1585 5.4 70 21 62 778 12.5 63 7

gbhmt
December 14th, 2008, 05:59 PM
what is this, an "east coast" stat line??? trevyn smith of the weebs was probably the best overall back in the fcs this year: (rush, yds, avg, long, td; rec, yds, avg, long, td)

295 1585 5.4 70 21 62 778 12.5 63 7

That list is by average yards per game, and Smith is 16th.

PhoenixPhan06
December 15th, 2008, 10:26 AM
Congratulations to two very deserving players, WR Terrell "T-Mobile" Hudgins and K Andrew Wilcox!

Next year we should be able to add a few more names to that list, QB Scott Riddle and RB Brandon Newsome

smallcollegefbfan
December 15th, 2008, 06:13 PM
congrats sicko 2nd year in a row he is an NFL prospect

Very good pass catching threat. From seeing him I can tell that he needs work on blocking but he has good hands and runs well. He also gets open. If he can bulk up, get stronger, and improve his blocking I could see him getting drafted for sure.