Colgate at Stony Brook - Game Thread

[TheValleyRaider]

Kickoff in about 20 minutes from Kenneth P. LaValle Stadium in Stony Brook, NY

Links from Colgate website:

Live Audio from Colgate (WKXZ 93.9/94.0) (http://www.teamline.cc/teampage?teamcode=2007)

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Live Video from Big South (not free) (http://www.bigsouthsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4800&ATCLID=1157667)

LET'S GO 'GATE!

[TheValleyRaider]

As noted during the week, Jordan Scott and David Morgan will not be playing tonight

Starting TB for Colgate will be Sr. Steve Hansen, with Fr. Jordan McCord the backup

WRs for Colgate will be Jr. Pat Simonds*, Sr. Sam Breslin*, Jr. Ty Henry and So. Doug Rosnick
*-starters according to Game Notes

Colgate Head Coach Dick Biddle needs one more win to become the winningest coach in school history. Biddle's 95 wins is tied with the legendary Andy Kerr

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate has won the toss

They elect to Recieve

[TheValleyRaider]

Stony Brook kicks off, taken by Breslin from the 10, pushed out by the kicker at the Colgate 47

Colgate 0
Stony Brook 0
Start 1st

The 118th Season of Colgate Football is underway! xhurrayx

[TheValleyRaider]

Relph gets flushed from the pocket, forces the throw, and it's INTERCEPTED. 1st and 10 Stony Brook at their 25

0-0
Early 1st

[TheValleyRaider]

3rd and Long, Colgate blitz, the pass is INTERCEPTED! Wayne Moten! 1st and 10 Colgate at Stony Brook 25

0-0
~12:00 1st

[Go...gate]

Colgate driving. Third and 11, SB 11. SB takes time-out.

[TheValleyRaider]

Stony Brook doesn't seem set on their personnel, burns their 1st TimeOut. 3rd and 11 upcoming for Colgate on the Seawolf 12

0-0
8:21 1st

[Go...gate]

Relph carried for 7 to the 11. 4th and 1 from the SB 3. Relph shaken up, another time-out.

[TheValleyRaider]

Relph takes off and runs on 3rd and long. Gets to the 4 before getting drilled. 4th and 3 upcoming, and they look ready to go for it. Colgate wants to take a few seconds and uses their 1st TimeOut

0-0
~8:15 1st

[TheValleyRaider]

The TO changed minds, Stein on to try the Field Goal, the kick is up and GOOD!

3-0 Colgate
7:37 1st

[Go...gate]

Colgate appears to be going for the FG. Jacob Stein on for a 21-yd FG, which is successful. Colgate 3, SB 0.

[TheValleyRaider]

Stein's kickoff is short, taken at the 22, returned to the SB 35. 1st and 10 Seawolves

Add 15 yards for a Colgate Personal Foul penalty, 1st and 10 on the 50

3-0 Colgate
7:30 1st

[TheValleyRaider]

A personal foul penalty on the kickoff return put SB at midfield, and they jumped on the chance. On 1st and Goal from the 1, Cuttino pushes his way in, TOUCHDOWN Stony Brook. PAT from Gaddis is GOOD

7-3 Stony Brook
late 1st

[TheValleyRaider]

Gaddis' kickoff taken by Breslin at the 4, returned to the 26. 1st and 10 Colgate

7-3 Stony Brook
5:23 1st

[Go...gate]

Some frosh definitely seeing playing time tonight - a real change of pace for Dick Biddle.

[TheValleyRaider]

Relph throws, INTERCEPTED again, this time by Cory Giddy (?)

1st and 10 Stony Brook at the Colgate 34

7-3 Stony Brook
under 5, 1st

[Go...gate]

Relph throws another INT. SB 1st & 10, Colgate 34.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

How good was SBU suppose to be heading into the season? Colgate running or passing mostly without Scott?

[dgreco]

How good was SBU suppose to be heading into the season? Colgate running or passing mostly without Scott?

Wondering the same thing, how does SBU look? They are close to full schollie now right?

[TheValleyRaider]

SB with a seam, he blows by the defense, TOUCHDOWN Seawolves. PAT is GOOD

14-3
3:21 1st

[Go...gate]

SB scores a very quick TD; two plays, 34 yards. Colgate defense not looking good, though Relph has given SB great field position twice.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Not a good start for Colgate at all. You don't want to start your season getting smacked around by SBU.

[TheValleyRaider]

Kickoff taken by Jackson up to the Colgate 30

14-3 Stony Brook
~3:00 1st

Last pick not thrown by Relph, but Greg Sullivan. Relph apparently still shaken up

[Go...gate]

Colgate 1-5 in season openers under Biddle, 3-9 overall in openers.

[TheValleyRaider]

Sullivan runs for a 1st, just short. First punt of the game coming. Stein's punt hits the head of a Colgate player downfield, penalty coming. Kick catch interference moves the ball to the SB 25 (or thereabouts, I think). 1st and 10 Stony Brook

14-3 Stony Brook
late 1st

[Go...gate]

Another nice run by SB. Announcers need to give down-and-distance a little more often. An Officials' time-out.

[TheValleyRaider]

Radio guy not overly impressive with giving the correct players, field position, yardage, anything

And of course GameTracker isn't working either

The pace of the game isn't helping an early season mood, that's for sure xmadx

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate 3
Stony Brook 14
End 1st

[Go...gate]

SB 14, Colgate 3, end of First Quarter.

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate defense holds to start the 2nd quarter, SB punting for the first time. Gaddis' punt is high, taken by Simonds at the 14, hit immediately. 1st and 10 Colgate

14-3 Stony Brook
Early 1st

[Go...gate]

Colgate forces punt on ensuing SB possession. Colgate ball but backed up to its own 14.

Relph has injured ankle.

[TheValleyRaider]

Seawolf player down and injured (D Lineman?), possibly a cramp. Injury TimeOut for Stony Brook, their 2nd

Relph apparently on the sideline, shoe off and foot heavily taped. Not so good, and certainly doesn't seem like he'll be back tonight (at least certainly not in this half)

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate goes nowhere on their drive, a Holding penalty hurt the drive. Stein's punt from the end zone goes to the 45, taken by Gilroy to the Colgate 38. 1st and 10 Stony Brook

14-3 Stony Brook
Early 2nd

[Go...gate]

Valley, I don't know about you, but I'm beginning to become very concerned. They are running very well on us.

[Go...gate]

SB 1st and Goal at the Colgate two after a breakaway run. SB very deep and good at tailback.

Colgate stops them for no gain on 1st down.

10:45 left in 2nd period.

[TheValleyRaider]

Cuttino on a 3rd and Goal from the 2, he fumbles, but recovers at the 1. 4th and Goal upcoming, Stony Brook takes their 3rd TimeOut

14-3 Stony Brook
~10:00 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

Stony Brook going for it, 4th and Goal on the 1. Hoffman takes it himself and easily gets in, TOUCHDOWN Stony Brook. PAT is GOOD

21-3 Stony Brook
9:01 2nd

[Go...gate]

Dane Hoffman (sp?) scores for SBU. PAT pending, SB 20, Colgate 3.

SB used some single-wing action on the goal line which almost backfired on them.

[TheValleyRaider]

Apparently the PAT was preceded by Stony Brook's 3rd TimeOut xeyebrowx

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Colgate getting taken behind the woodshed by the Seawolves. I'm pretty surprised by this. Hopefully they can turn it around otherwise this will not look good going forward.

[Go...gate]

Apparently the PAT was preceded by Stony Brook's 3rd TimeOut xeyebrowx


Definitely some first-game rough edges, but SBU looks very good. Colgate needs to pick it up.

Colgate returns SBU kickoff to the Colgate 20.

[TheValleyRaider]

We don't look good in any phase of the game so far

Passing game nonexistant, though that seems by design

Running game hasn't gotten much, only frosh McCord and Eachus have gotten carries (no Hansen, interestingly)

Defense has been killed by bad field position and their inability to stop the Stony Brook run at all

Jackson takes the kickoff up to the 20. 1st and 10 Colgate

21-3 Stony Brook
Under 9 2nd

[Gater]

Pretty amazing to think where Stony Brook was a few years ago. With the NEC and Stony Brook giving scholarships they have totally changed college football in the northeast.

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate quickly goes 3 and out, punt coming. Stein's kick is let go, bounces and rolls to the Stony Brook 37. 1st and 10 Seawolves

21-3 Stony Brook
7:53 2nd

[Go...gate]

I think Hansen is in now.

Sullivan is having a difficult time. Three-and-out.

[dgreco]

SBU breaking away

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Pretty amazing to think where Stony Brook was a few years ago. With the NEC and Stony Brook giving scholarships they have totally changed college football in the northeast.

Stony Brook is in the Big South...

[Go...gate]

SB just ripped off a 57 yard run. Ball on Colgate 3.

[mainejeff]

People laughed 3 or 4 years ago when I said that Stony Brook and Albany would be players in football.......I became a believer last year when the Seawolves beat Maine. xthumbsupx :(

[Gater]

Hence "the NEC AND Stony Brook."

[Go...gate]

TD for SBU. They lead 27-3 with PAT coming.

[TheValleyRaider]

Gowan takes the handoff, and blazes his way down to the 3 yard line. On 2nd and Goal, Stony Brook punches it in. TOUCHDOWN for Mason. PAT is GOOD

xbangx xbangx xbangx xbangx

28-3 Stony Brook
Mid 2nd

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Colgate getting pounded on. From a Lehigh perspective this is good to see but as a PL fan it doesn't look as nice.

[Go...gate]

PAT good. Colgate down 28-3 with time remaining in 2nd Quarter. Damn.

[PaladinFan]

Is Colgate just a one man show?

[TheValleyRaider]

Gaddis' kickoff taken by Jackson at the 13, gets to the 23. 1st and 10 Colgate

28-3 Stony Brook
Under 7 to go, 2nd

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Is Colgate just a one man show?

They have relied very heavily on their RB back in the past. Their offense usually goes as their horse goes.

[Tribe4SF]

They have relied very heavily on their RB back in the past. Their offense usually goes as their horse goes.

Yeah, but what about their defense?

[Go...gate]

Is Colgate just a one man show?

This year, yes.

Pat Simonds just caught a 36 -yard pass from Sullivan. Colgate 1st and 10 on SBU 36.

[Go...gate]

Another nice catch by Simonds sets Colgate up 1st and 10 at SBU 12. Go Red Raiders!

[Go...gate]

4th and 11 from SB 12. Stein sets up and makes a 29-yard FG.

SBU 28, Colgate 6.

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate drives down to the 15, but goes nowhere from there. Signs of life from the Raiders?

Stein comes in for the 29 yard FG attempt. The kick is up and GOOD!

28-6 Stony Brook
1:04 2nd

[Go...gate]

We need a stop here. They have four rushing TD's already.

[TheValleyRaider]

Stein with short kickoff, returned to the SB 33. 1st and 10 Seawolves

28-6 Stony Brook
0:30 2nd

[TheValleyRaider]

Stony Brook is satisfied with the half, takes a knee

Colgate 6
Stony Brook 28
Halftime

[TheValleyRaider]

Well, GameTracker works, finally

Some of the grizzly numbers

Stony Brook:
207 yards of offense (156 rushing)
4 Rushing TDs (Colgate gave up 8 rushing TDs in all 2007)
TD runs from Gowins, Cuttino, Mason, Hoffman

Colgate:
140 yards of offense (72 rushing)
3-9 on 3rd down
2 Turnovers (-1 on the game)

[Go...gate]

Have to sign off to run an errand :( .

[TheValleyRaider]

Getting ready for the 2nd Half

Joining the booth for radio is AD Dave Roach xeekx

Alex Relph is at least out for the rest of this game

Stony Brook to get the ball to start the 2nd Half

[TheValleyRaider]

Stein set to kick it off. Gilroy takes it at the 10, returned to the 29. 1st and 10 Seawolves

28-6 Stony Brook
Start 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Hoffman blitzed, and he still finds Lynell Suggs, and there he goes, TOUCHDOWN Stony Brook. PAT is GOOD

35-6 Stony Brook
Early 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Gaddis kicks off to Jackson, taken at the 9, gets it up to the 31. 1st and 10 Raiders

35-6 Stony Brook
Early 3rd

[PaladinFan]

Is Colgate just flat today? Or is Stony Brook that much of a better team?

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate does nothing with it, punt taken for Stony Brook at their 41 (or thereabouts)

35-6 Stony Brook
3rd
They've pretty much stopped mentioning time at all on the radio

[TheValleyRaider]

Well, I shouldn't take too much away from Stony Brook. You don't just put up 35 points early in the 3rd if you aren't good

But we've played terribly today. No movement on offense, defense just being overwhelmed, especially on the run. Field position has been a losing battle all day. Really very little positive for Colgate to take away from this game so far

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate defense showing some life. 3 and out for Stony Brook. Simonds takes the Gaddis punt at the 41, fair caught. Flag is out, apparently, but they won't say what for. Seems to be against Colgate, as they started inside their 30

35-6 Stony Brook
3rd

[DFW HOYA]

Is Colgate just flat today? Or is Stony Brook that much of a better team?

Could be both.

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate finally able to move the ball, gets down to the Stony Brook 6. 4th and 1 coming for the Raiders

Jordan McCord gets the ball, and pushes into the end zone! TOUCHDOWN Colgate! 1st career TD for the freshman McCord! Stein's PAT is pushed left, NO GOOD xbangx

35-12 Stony Brook
Mid 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Stein's kickoff taken, returned to the 30. 1st and 10 Seawolves

35-12 Stony Brook

[Gater]

wow

[TheValleyRaider]

2 plays, and Gowins runs it in. TOUCHDOWN Stony Brook. PAT is GOOD

42-12 Stony Brook
3rd (no idea what time, of course)

[TheValleyRaider]

Gaddis' kickoff taken by McKenzie, returned to the 28. 1st and 10 Colgate

42-12 Stony Brook
Mid 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

WR Option pass from Breslin to Simonds. He's wide open and takes it 55 yards! TOUCHDOWN! Stein's PAT is GOOD!

42-19 Stony Brook
Mid 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

Stein's kick taken by Gilroy at the 10, and he finds a seam before being knocked out at the 41. 1st and 10 Seawolves

42-19 Stony Brook

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate has the ball back, and they're driving to midfield

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate driving, down to the Stony Brook 11 as the clock runs out. 1st and 10 at the start of the 4th

Colgate 19
Stony Brook 42
End 3rd

[TheValleyRaider]

McCord opens the quarter with a pinballing run, TOUCHDOWN! Stein's PAT is GOOD!

42-26 Stony Brook
14:54 4th

[TheValleyRaider]

Stein's kick taken at the 10 by Gilroy, returned to the 25. 1st and 10 Seawolves

42-26 Stony Brook
Early 4th

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate defense holds firm again. Gaddis to punt it away. The kick is taken by Simonds, fair catch at the 32. 1st and 10 Colgate

42-26 Stony Brook
4th

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate can't manage anything this time. Stein's punt fair caught at the 25 by Gilroy. 1st and 10 Seawolves

42-26 Stony Brook
11:24 4th

[TheValleyRaider]

Colgate brought the pressure, Hoffman gets it away to Porter, dropped, and ruled Incomplete. Could very well have been a fumble. Gaddis' punt from midfield rolls into the end zone. 1st and 10 Colgate from their 20

42-26 Stony Brook
~9:00 4th

[TheValleyRaider]

Sullivan has to get rid of it, it's INTERCEPTED at midfield. But wait...it's Roughing the Passer! 1st down for Colgate instead xeekx

[TheValleyRaider]

Sullivan throws, this is INTERCEPTED. No penalty to save Colgate this time. 1st and 10 Seawolves on their 40 (or thereabouts)

42-26 Stony Brook
6:47 4th

[TheValleyRaider]

Stony Brook drives down to the Colgate 4, where the ball is turned over on downs. Sullivan hands off to McCord, who gets to the 18, and it's over

Colgate 26
Stony Brook 42
Final

[TheValleyRaider]

Hard to take too much positive from this one, especially from the 1st Half

The offense definately struggled with Relph out, or at the very least took a while to get their legs under them with Sullivan. Not having the Jordan Scott security blanket was big, though there were flashes of a good future from Jordan McCord

The defense struggled, especially against Stony Brooks' running game. That must improve if Colgate does anything this year. Lots of talent and speed from their backs

If I had one positive to take from this, the team showed fight and never backed down. A hallmark of Colgate Football remained

Full credit to Stony Brook. Talented running backs, an opportunistic defense and overall team that made the most of Colgate's early incompetence and put it practically out of reach early. Good luck to the Seawolves the rest of the way xthumbsupx

Next: on to Coastal Carolina
Biddle's 96th win, Take 3 xoopsx

[Go...gate]

Just got back on. Sounds like it was a mixed bag at best.

[TheValleyRaider]

The 2nd Half actually wasn't too bad. The problem was we were already down 3 TDs when we got there xoopsx

I saw enough there to not make me believe it's the end of the season, which is nice :)

Just remember...you're never as good or as bad as you look on opening day xprayx

[Go...gate]

The 2nd Half actually wasn't too bad. The problem was we were already down 3 TDs when we got there xoopsx

I saw enough there to not make me believe it's the end of the season, which is nice :)

Just remember...you're never as good or as bad as you look on opening day xprayx

Right. And teams do tend to improve a lot from the first to the second game.

Applying that formula to SBU, they could have a very successful season. They clearly have a great running game and good team speed. Good luck to them going forward!

[Seawolf97]

Thank Youxpeacex

[ngineer]

Thanks for the thread. I was out all day and couldn't believe the score. I picked SBU to win in a close one with a score in the mid-20's.xrotatehx

[Seawolf97]

In all fairness to Cogate they started without an All American running back and lost their starting QB . That would set any team back. The Raiders played tough and didnt quit and Im sure they will be gunning for us in 2009 at their house.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

As a Patriot League fan, this game concerns me an awful lot.

Why? Colgate didn't just lose: they got manhandled. Down 42-6 at one point? And this is a team that is supposed to be contending for the Patriot League championship?

I know Relph went down, and Scott wasn't playing. And, yeah, Stony Brook is good and is running with 63 scholarships. But that it was this much of a mismatch was not only surprising, it's pretty disheartening.

[danefan]

Good win for our sister-school!. I have been telling you guys that SBU is good. I expect them to make some serious noise in the Big South.

[ngineer]

I think the scholarship situation now shows quite clearly the impact on recruiting. SBU is making a major bid to go to FBS in a few years, with the Big South being just a holding pattern in the interim. They definitely look like the are on track in the build up.

[danefan]

I think the scholarship situation now shows quite clearly the impact on recruiting. SBU is making a major bid to go to FBS in a few years, with the Big South being just a holding pattern in the interim. They definitely look like the are on track in the build up.


Honestly, while I do think they'll be a good FCS team for the next few years, they aren't going to FBS for a long time, if ever.

The money is simply not there right now or in the foreseeable future. If they get a big donor that comes out of nowhere, then that's a different story. xpeacex

[ngineer]

Honestly, while I do think they'll be a good FCS team for the next few years, they aren't going to FBS for a long time, if ever.

The money is simply not there right now or in the foreseeable future. If they get a big donor that comes out of nowhere, then that's a different story. xpeacex

I was talking to some PL football people last week, and they told me that SBU is definitely going to try to go 'big time' ala Connecticut. Supposedly, there is a 'sugar daddy' or two that will be helping. Who knows. I was somewhat skeptical, but they seemed pretty sure of their observations. Whatever, the ability to go out and recruit with scholarships not tied to financial 'formulas' really frees up a coach's hand in pursuing good athletes. We can only hope...but I don't see it coming.xsmhx

[DFW HOYA]

As a Patriot League fan, this game concerns me an awful lot.

Why? Colgate didn't just lose: they got manhandled. Down 42-6 at one point? And this is a team that is supposed to be contending for the Patriot League championship?


A lot of this is the impact of scholarships and should present a clear and present danger to the status quo in the PL.

In 2003, Stony Brook lost by 28 to Georgetown.
In 2006, Stony Brook lost by 7 to Georgetown.
In 2007, Stony Brook defeated Georgetown by 7 and Bucknell by 28.
In 2008, Stony Brook defeats Colgate by 16.

[danefan]

I was talking to some PL football people last week, and they told me that SBU is definitely going to try to go 'big time' ala Connecticut. Supposedly, there is a 'sugar daddy' or two that will be helping. Who knows. I was somewhat skeptical, but they seemed pretty sure of their observations. Whatever, the ability to go out and recruit with scholarships not tied to financial 'formulas' really frees up a coach's hand in pursuing good athletes. We can only hope...but I don't see it coming.xsmhx


They only chance SBU has if they get huge donations. If that happens, more power to them. xthumbsupx

I don't see it, but you never know. Even if it does happen its not realistic for another 7-10 years.

I know one thing. We won't be playing them again until we're up to 45 rides, at least. Its a lose-lose for us to play them until then.

[Sly Fox]

On a week when most everybody else in the Big South looked disappointing, congrats go out to the SBU crowd. That was a great statement game to start the season. I know one week into the season my opinion of the Seawolves has changed.

[TheValleyRaider]

Stony Brook did benefit from grabbing an early lead. It went downhill very quickly for Colgate

Relph gets hurt on the FG goal drive (which had stalled inside the 10)
On the kickoff, a penalty starts SB at midfield, they scores
Then Sullivan throws a pick
With a short field, SB scores again

It's now suddenly 14-3, and it steamrolled from there

Colgate definately appeared shellshocked both by the loss of their QB (which meant they were now playing a QB with virtually no experience to go with 2 freshmen TBs) and by the quickness of Stony Brook's running backs getting to the edge. Colgate was killed by backs on the edge. The Linebackers would appear to need some work

Once Sullivan started to get his feet under him on the field, and McCord seemed to establish himself as the RB, then you saw Colgate start to make some plays. Unfortunately, it was too little, too late by that point

If I'm Stony Brook, the only real concern I would have would be the development of my freshman QB. He was 8 of 16 with a TD and a pick, but was able to complete a number of passes off the play-action, which of course thrived because Colgate had no run defense to speak of. With the talented stable of RBs, that might not be a problem, but if they start to struggle getting yards on the ground, how will they hold up? Just a thought, at least

[Go...gate]

Stony Brook did benefit from grabbing an early lead. It went downhill very quickly for Colgate

Relph gets hurt on the FG goal drive (which had stalled inside the 10)
On the kickoff, a penalty starts SB at midfield, they scores
Then Sullivan throws a pick
With a short field, SB scores again

It's now suddenly 14-3, and it steamrolled from there

Colgate definately appeared shellshocked both by the loss of their QB (which meant they were now playing a QB with virtually no experience to go with 2 freshmen TBs) and by the quickness of Stony Brook's running backs getting to the edge. Colgate was killed by backs on the edge. The Linebackers would appear to need some work

Once Sullivan started to get his feet under him on the field, and McCord seemed to establish himself as the RB, then you saw Colgate start to make some plays. Unfortunately, it was too little, too late by that point

If I'm Stony Brook, the only real concern I would have would be the development of my freshman QB. He was 8 of 16 with a TD and a pick, but was able to complete a number of passes off the play-action, which of course thrived because Colgate had no run defense to speak of. With the talented stable of RBs, that might not be a problem, but if they start to struggle getting yards on the ground, how will they hold up? Just a thought, at least


Been a very long time since anybody has been able to legitimately make that observation. We really struggled against the run and they had too many three or four-play drives.

[TheValleyRaider]

Been a very long time since anybody has been able to legitimately make that observation. We really struggled against the run and they had too many three or four-play drives.

444 rushing yards for SB

First team to go for 400 yards against Colgate since Harvard in 1995 xeekx xnonono2x

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Scratch that, 444 yards of total offense, not rushing. Apparently it was only 270 rushing yards

[Go...gate]

444 rushing yards for SB

First team to go for 400 yards against Colgate since Harvard in 1995 xeekx xnonono2x

*************EDIT**************

Scratch that, 444 yards of total offense, not rushing. Apparently it was only 270 rushing yards

Even 270 is near the top in the Biddle era.

Even today, mention of the 1995 season brings sad memories. I don't think we have slipped to that level, but clearly the scholarship programs have pulled alongside and/or passed us.

[Dane96]

I was talking to some PL football people last week, and they told me that SBU is definitely going to try to go 'big time' ala Connecticut. Supposedly, there is a 'sugar daddy' or two that will be helping. Who knows. I was somewhat skeptical, but they seemed pretty sure of their observations. Whatever, the ability to go out and recruit with scholarships not tied to financial 'formulas' really frees up a coach's hand in pursuing good athletes. We can only hope...but I don't see it coming.xsmhx

I have VERY inside sources at SBU-- that sugar daddy story has been going around for years. One of the sugar daddies is Charles Wang of CA fame. Ain't happenin. He is too busy trying to secure funding for the Islanders.

Second sugar daddy is a pipe dream.

With the loss of their ballsy President, the lack of state funding, and Kevin LaValle going bye bye from the Senate eventually...SBU's big time dough is going to wash up.

They will be FCS for a long-time. Remember...NYS conducted a study regarding Buffalo athletics and the findings were horrid. In fact, it was so bad the State had to go in and bail the athletics program out to the tune of 10mm+, which is technically against State law.

You add to that that RUTGERS just got a huge (some say 100mm..others say 40mm) bailout from NJ in their quest for football greatness...and you can all but guarantee it would cost SBU in the neighborhood of 300mm to upgrade their program.

For example, the early reports out of UMASS state it will cost 275mm to upgrade to FBS...and that is with MUCH CHEAPER construction/infrastructure costs, rides, offices, etc.

More importantly...what fricking conference do they expect to go in?

I like SBU...and I think they are going to be a major force in the Big South; However, our sister school will be more than likely playing in the new conference many expect us to form over the next four-five years.

I wish them the best...but FBS is a major pipe dream in a state that BARELY supports its three current programs (one public and two private).

[Dane96]

OH....and Congrats on a MONSTER WIN! I love it!

[stonywolf]

baby steps yall.... we arent going into the FBS for a very long time... if ever. We're still trying to become a solid FCS program. Remember.... 3 years ago, we were getting shellacked by teams like New Hampshire 62-7.

[Redwyn]

I still remember when Robert Morris manhandled us in 2004 in our opener. We lost by a similar margin. I can't think that we could transition up too quickly. Beyond that, we're still building game attendance. This was move in day for us, so student attendance at the game was mandatory for Freshmen. Show me this type of support during the semester, then we can start talking about an eventual move.

As far as major donors. I'd expect Jim Simons to contribute quite a bit over the next few years. He tends to come up with major donations every other year (I think this year was 60 million). We have the inventor of IMAX and the CEOs of Renaissance Tech and CA already locked as major donors. I'd imagine if SBU was serious about any eventual move it would come from those three.

[Uncle Buck]

I went out to the game yesterday and it was a great SBU win, but Colgate's defense looked terrible. Granted their offense was without the QB and RB, but when #80 the WR made some plays for them, all of a sudden they went away from him. Playcalling for Colgate got to be almost predictable at one point.

As for the defense, they just looks bad, i really can't think of another way to put it. SBU broke off big runs all night with d-lineman being moved and LB's out of position. I know SBU returned like 4 starters to the o-line, but they definitely don't seem to be HUGE by any stretch. SBU started a RFr. at QB and even their playcalling was vanilla with very few passes going down field. Priore had the guy throw a couple of bubble screen's (one that went to the house) and a few short passes.

Anyhow, it was a great win for SBU who definitely has some athletes, but let's not start handing out FCS titles or a playoff spot to them just yet. They're QB is relatively untested and i think we'll see more next week against Elon. Since Hofstra has the bye week, i'll head out for that game as well.

[TheValleyRaider]

I went out to the game yesterday and it was a great SBU win, but Colgate's defense looked terrible. Granted their offense was without the QB and RB, but when #80 the WR made some plays for them, all of a sudden they went away from him. Playcalling for Colgate got to be almost predictable at one point.

That's not overly surprising. They did pull a few surprises (WR Option Pass? Faked End-Around?), but generally Colgate keeps it close to the vest overall and even closer in season openers. I imagine it got a little tighter when Sullivan came in


As for the defense, they just looks bad, i really can't think of another way to put it. SBU broke off big runs all night with d-lineman being moved and LB's out of position. I know SBU returned like 4 starters to the o-line, but they definitely don't seem to be HUGE by any stretch. SBU started a RFr. at QB and even their playcalling was vanilla with very few passes going down field. Priore had the guy throw a couple of bubble screen's (one that went to the house) and a few short passes.

As a Colgate fan, I don't like hearing that about the D one bit xsmhx

[Uncle Buck]

I'm sure the Colgate defense will learn from this game, especially the LB's who appeared to take bad angles any time the ball went to the outside. The d-line however, they really need to do a better job keeping their shoulders square. I would expect a lot of one on one drills and double team drills in their future.

[mainejeff]

Albany and Stony Brook are very important players in Eastern FCS football......you gotta think that their growth will force the hands of the CAA/America East/A-10/whatever down the road.

[Go...gate]

Clearly, even the Relph injury and Scott suspension aside, Colgate has work to do, but I am betting they will get things straightened out.

[Seawolf97]

I really hope Scott returns and your QB gets healthy for the Coastal game. Like to see the Raiders win that one.

[TheValleyRaider]

Scott should be back, if everything we've heard about his suspension is right (which it seems to be so far)

I actually didn't mind Sullivan much once he got settled into the game. Sounds like he made some nice throws, did a good job tucking and running when the opportunity presented itself

It's the defense that concerns me...

Good luck to Stony Brook the rest of the way xthumbsupx

[Seawolf97]

Scott should be back, if everything we've heard about his suspension is right (which it seems to be so far)

I actually didn't mind Sullivan much once he got settled into the game. Sounds like he made some nice throws, did a good job tucking and running when the opportunity presented itself

It's the defense that concerns me...

Good luck to Stony Brook the rest of the way xthumbsupx

Likewise!xpeacex

[ngineer]

Scott should be back, if everything we've heard about his suspension is right (which it seems to be so far)

I actually didn't mind Sullivan much once he got settled into the game. Sounds like he made some nice throws, did a good job tucking and running when the opportunity presented itself

It's the defense that concerns me...

Good luck to Stony Brook the rest of the way xthumbsupx

I would be concerned too based on what I've read. Even with Scott down, I think Colgate has some decent backs who, while not Scott, can probably be within 90% of what he is, which aint bad. I've always believed that winning programs must have a solid D. An electric offense will be entertaining, but you don't want to be involved in 'track meets' all the time.

[Go...gate]

I would be concerned too based on what I've read. Even with Scott down, I think Colgate has some decent backs who, while not Scott, can probably be within 90% of what he is, which aint bad. I've always believed that winning programs must have a solid D. An electric offense will be entertaining, but you don't want to be involved in 'track meets' all the time.

Right on. Biddle's entire tenure has emphasized defense, especially against the run. We will see a lot of track meets if things can't get tightened up, and it is tough for a run-oriented team to win their share of such games.

[danefan]

Sullivan is a gamer. Played high school ball in the area I grew up in. My brother is a head coach in the section and coached against him many times. He didn't have the combine stats that FBS schools like to see but he's a darn good QB.

[ColgateTD]

Humiliating loss for 'Gate, but a wake-up call for the team..especially the defense.

Gotta suck it up next w/e vs. CC....xeyebrowx