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smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 02:18 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3152109

Players in BOLD are national title game participants.

Associated Press FCS All-America Team

FIRST TEAM

Offense

Quarterback
Ricky Santos, senior, 6-foot-2, 215 pounds, New Hampshire.

Running backs
Omar Cuff, senior, 5-10, 195, Delaware; Jayson Foster, senior, 5-9, 164, Georgia Southern.

Wide receivers
Ramses Barden, junior 6-6, 228, Cal Poly; Terrell Hudgins, sophomore, 6-2, 226, Elon.

Linemen
Kerry Brown, senior, 6-6, 290, Appalachian State; Chad Rinehart, senior, 6-5, 310, Northern Iowa; Mitch Erickson, senior, 6-6, 290, South Dakota State; Brennan Carvalho, 6-1, 310, senior, Portland State; Demetrius Bell, senior, 6-5, 263, Northwestern State.

Tight end
Blake Martin, senior, 6-3, 235, Sam Houston State.

All-purpose player
Jeremy Gilchrist, junior, 5-10, 174, Hampton.

Kicker
Jon Striefsky, junior, 6-1, 185, Delaware.

Defense

Linemen
Kroy Biermann, senior, 6-3, 241, Montana; Eric Bakhtiari, senior, 6-4, 260, San Diego; Bryan Smith, 6-2, 230, McNeese State; Brian Johnston, 6-5, 280, Gardner-Webb.

Linebackers
Bobby Daly, junior, 6-1, 215, Montana State; Brian Bradford, senior, 6-2, 235, Towson; Brannon Carter, senior, 6-3, 233, Northern Iowa.

Defensive backs
Tony LeZotte, senior, 6-0, 200, James Madison; Corey Lynch, senior, 6-0, 205, Appalachian State; Bobbie Williams, senior, 6-1, 210, Bethune-Cookman; Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, senior, 6-2, 180, Tennessee State.

Punter
Chris MacDonald, senior, 6-4, 215, Texas State.


SECOND TEAM

Offense

Quarterback
Josh Johnson, senior, San Diego.

Running backs
Tim Hightower, senior, Richmond; Tyler Roehl, junior, North Dakota State

Wide receivers
Eddie Cohen, senior, Western Carolina; Aaron Boyce, sophomore, Eastern Washington

Offensive linemen
Nate Safe, senior, North Dakota State; Matt Austin, senior, Massachusetts; Jesse Padilla, senior, Lafayette; David Hale, senior, Weber State; Brad Samsa, junior, Youngstown State.

Tight end
Matt Champa, senior, Dayton.

All-purpose player
Larry Shipp, senior, Tennessee Tech

Kicker
Dan Carpenter, senior, Montana.

Defense

Defensive line
Kendall Langford, senior, Hampton; Rudolph Hardie, senior, Howard; Jovan Belcher, junior, Maine; Greg Peach, junior, Eastern Washington.

Linebackers
Mike Gallihugh, senior, Colgate; Zach East, senior, Prairie View A&M; Jason Williams, junior, Western Illinois.

Defensive backs
Kareem Brown, senior, Nicholls State; Derrick Huff, senior, Eastern Kentucky; LaDarius Webb, junior, Nicholls State; Al Donaldson, junior, Alabama A&M.

Punter
Benjamin Dato, senior, Fordham.


THIRD TEAM

Offense

Quarterback
Eric Sanders, senior, Northern Iowa.

Running backs
Herb Donaldson, junior, Western Illinois; Mike McLeod, junior, Yale.

Wide receivers
Tremayne Kirkland, senior, Portland State; Andre Roberts, sophomore, The Citadel.

Linemen
Mike Byrne, senior, Delaware; Stephen Field, junior, Cal Poly; Matt Alfred, senior, Eastern Washington; James Lee, senior, South Carolina State; Brandon Keith, senior, Northern Iowa.

Tight end
Clay Harbor, sophomore, Missouri State.

All-purpose player
J.T. Rogan, junior, San Diego.

Kicker
Gavin Halliford, junior, Jacksonville State.

Defense

Linemen
Marcus Dixon, senior, Hampton; Pierre Walters, junior, Eastern Illinois; Robert Brown, junior, Wagner; Gary Tharrington, sophomore, Appalachian State.

Linebackers
Joe Mays, senior, North Dakota State; Jason Hatchell, senior, Massachusetts; Ronnie McCullogh, senior, Bethune-Cookman.

Defensive backs
Steven Williams, senior, Harvard; Tyler Koch, senior, South Dakota State; David Hyland, junior, Morehead State; K.J. Gerard, junior, Northern Arizona.

Punter
Tyler Johnson, senior, Montana.

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 02:36 PM
I like the selection of Bell. Many people don't know his name but he is one of the best in the FCS. If an All-America team doesn't have him on the 1st or 2nd team then it is not a true team.

Putting Foster, Santos, Lynch, Brown, Cuff, Barden, Smith, Biermann, Johnston, Rinehart, and Carvalho are picks that seem to be no brainers.

grizband
December 12th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Each different All-American list named so far has mentioned a different kicker. I'm just glad Carpenter was recognized by one list, he had a great season (and career) for the Griz.

AZGrizFan
December 12th, 2007, 02:39 PM
They select All-American punters but not placekickers? xconfusedx

bamamountaineer1013
December 12th, 2007, 02:42 PM
They select All-American punters but not placekickers? xconfusedx

Punter listed under defense, Placekicker unde offense

putter
December 12th, 2007, 02:44 PM
Wow. Santos, Johnson and Sanders with no Armante Edwards at QB? xrolleyesx

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 02:49 PM
Wow. Santos, Johnson and Sanders with no Armante Edwards at QB? xrolleyesx

This list came out after the semis so you would think he should have made the list. It is good to see all 3 payton finalists on the list.

USDFAN_55
December 12th, 2007, 02:51 PM
This list came out after the semis so you would think he should have made the list. It is good to see all 3 payton finalists on the list.

But all 3 aren't on the list. Santos isn't a finalist, Foster is though.

AZGrizFan
December 12th, 2007, 02:53 PM
Punter listed under defense, Placekicker unde offense

No Dan Carpenter? xconfusedx xconfusedx

USDFAN_55
December 12th, 2007, 02:54 PM
I think a case can be made for a few other QB's to be on this list (Edwards, Foster, and Flacco to name a few). Not a bad year at the QB position this year.

Which position do you think had the most depth in the FCS this year?

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 02:57 PM
But all 3 aren't on the list. Santos isn't a finalist, Foster is though.

I mean they all earned All-America honors. They all made the AP list somewhere. Sorry for the confusion as to what I meant.

USDFAN_55
December 12th, 2007, 03:00 PM
I mean they all earned All-America honors. They all made the AP list somewhere. Sorry for the confusion as to what I meant.

Oh, I didn't see Foster listed as a running back on the list. That's interesting that he is listed as a RB. Is he a RB or a QB? My thoughts are with the style of offense that GSU runs, he's more of a RB than a QB (I guess that's what the AP thought as well).

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 03:10 PM
Oh, I didn't see Foster listed as a running back on the list. That's interesting that he is listed as a RB. Is he a RB or a QB? My thoughts are with the style of offense that GSU runs, he's more of a RB than a QB (I guess that's what the AP thought as well).

He plays QB but is more of a RB.

Deepest position has to be either DB, QB, or OL. There are a lot of good ones at those positions this year. There will be All-America caliber players on the OL and at QB who will probably get snubbed by the AFCA, AP, TSN, or Walter Camp. The NCAA lists those 4 as the ones you have to make to be a concensus all-american.

PTW16
December 12th, 2007, 03:10 PM
Andre Roberts is a third team wide receiver All-American. Interesting he is All-American but the coaches didn't see fit to name him All-Southern Conference...

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Here is the updated list of players with a chance to be a concensus All-American. Only team left to make it official for these guys is the Sports Network teams. Congrats!

Offense
Pos Name Ht. Wt. Cl. School Coach Hometown (High School)
WR Ramses Barden 6-6 228 Jr. Cal Poly Rich Ellerson Altadena, Calif. (Flintridge Prep)
OL Chad Rinehart 6-5 308 Sr. Northern Iowa Mark Farley Boone, Iowa (Boone)
OL Kerry Brown* 6-6 310 Sr. Appalachian State Jerry Moore Marietta, Ga. (Lassiter)
QB Ricky Santos 6-2 215 Sr. New Hampshire Sean McDonnell Bellingham, Mass. (Bellingham)
RB Omar Cuff 5-10 195 Sr. Delaware K.C. Keeler Landover, Md. (C.H. Flowers)

Defense
Pos Name Ht. Wt. Cl. School Coach Hometown (High School)
DL Bryan Smith 6-3 230 Sr. McNeese State Matt Viator Newton, Texas (Newton)
DL Kroy Biermann 6-3 241 Sr. Montana Bobby Hauck Hardin, Mont. (Hardin)
DL Brian Johnston 6-5 280 Sr. Gardner-Webb Steve Patton San Diego, Calif. (Madison)
DB Tony LeZotte 6-0 200 Sr. James Madison Mickey Matthews Augusta, Ga. (Westside)

Specialists
Pos Name Ht. Wt. Cl. School Coach Hometown (High School)
P Chris MacDonald 6-4 215 Sr. Texas State Brad Wright Mesa, Ariz. (Red Mountain)

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Andre Roberts is a third team wide receiver All-American. Interesting he is All-American but the coaches didn't see fit to name him All-Southern Conference...

Glad to see he made it too!

appfan2008
December 12th, 2007, 03:16 PM
corey lynch should be a unanimous... what a shame that he is not...

but congrats to kerry brown

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 03:17 PM
I updated my first post with the full list.

whoanellie
December 12th, 2007, 03:23 PM
Elon WR ,Hudgins is a sophmore not Jr as stated.

TxSt02
December 12th, 2007, 03:25 PM
I like the selection of Bell. Many people don't know his name but he is one of the best in the FCS. If an All-America team doesn't have him on the 1st or 2nd team then it is not a true team.

Putting Foster, Santos, Lynch, Brown, Cuff, Barden, Smith, Biermann, Johnston, Rinehart, and Carvalho are picks that seem to be no brainers.


I watched him play a lot this year... he is good...

Just think, he is a basketball first guy and then football!

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Elon WR ,Hudgins is a sophmore not Jr as stated.

Corrected! Sorry I had not checked the list for classes on players. I posted what I got from the AP.

APPride
December 12th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Oh, I didn't see Foster listed as a running back on the list. That's interesting that he is listed as a RB. Is he a RB or a QB? My thoughts are with the style of offense that GSU runs, he's more of a RB than a QB (I guess that's what the AP thought as well).

APP did too. xsmiley_wix

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 03:35 PM
The Sports Network is the last media outlet needed to be named a concensus All-American to name theirs. Last I heard, the list was supposed to come out next week.

gsugt1
December 12th, 2007, 03:38 PM
corey lynch should be a unanimous... what a shame that he is not...




I agree. Jayson Foster too !!

DetroitFlyer
December 12th, 2007, 03:46 PM
I think a case can be made for a few other QB's to be on this list (Edwards, Foster, and Flacco to name a few). Not a bad year at the QB position this year.

Which position do you think had the most depth in the FCS this year?

Throw Kevin Hoyng, Dayton's QB into that discussion.

CSN-info
December 12th, 2007, 03:49 PM
The Sports Network is the last media outlet to name theirs it looks like.Wrong. CSN has their team coming out next week. xcoffeex

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 06:18 PM
Wrong. CSN has their team coming out next week. xcoffeex

I was talking about the 4 that the NCAA recognizes to be a concensus pick. I was just talking about the media outlets that make it concenus. Plus if a player is on all 4 of those then I would imagine they would be on the CSN teams.

footballman65
December 12th, 2007, 07:06 PM
Third Team: Robert Brown, junior, Wagner xeyebrowx ??? come on now...

CSN-info
December 12th, 2007, 08:04 PM
I was talking about the 4 that the NCAA recognizes to be a concensus pick. I was just talking about the media outlets that make it concenus. Plus if a player is on all 4 of those then I would imagine they would be on the CSN teams.

You'll have to see next week if they're on the CSN teams. As for NCAA-recognized media outlets, what are you talking about?? Media guidelines for all outlets are posted on the NCAA website, they don't specify "preferred media" over another.

skinny_uncle
December 12th, 2007, 08:13 PM
I kept looking at ncaa.org stats and wondered why they never listed the SIU punter. Ravanesi averaged 45.8 yds/punt which would have placed him second nationally if it was recognized. I finally figured it out. You have to average 3.6 punts/game to make the list. We just didn't punt enough.

CrazyCat
December 12th, 2007, 08:41 PM
You'll have to see next week if they're on the CSN teams. As for NCAA-recognized media outlets, what are you talking about?? Media guidelines for all outlets are posted on the NCAA website, they don't specify "preferred media" over another.

8:43 a.m., Dec. 19, 2006--University of Delaware senior tight end Ben Patrick is a consensus NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision All-America with the announcement this week that he has been selected to the first team by the Sports Network. Patrick earlier was named first team All-America by the Walter Camp Foundation, the American Football Coaches Association and the Associated Press.

stevdock
December 12th, 2007, 09:34 PM
Completely disappointed that Drago didn't even make 3rd team punter on this list. Guess it was because he just didn't do it enough.

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 10:02 PM
You'll have to see next week if they're on the CSN teams. As for NCAA-recognized media outlets, what are you talking about?? Media guidelines for all outlets are posted on the NCAA website, they don't specify "preferred media" over another.

I mean that SIDs have said before that if those 4 have their player that they can "officially" say he was a concensus pick. Those are the 4 that seem to matter MOSt but CSN, Collegesportsreport, and Don Hansen all matter as well. If any of the others don't have a player then we can still say he is a concensus pick. If you get all 7 then WOW you REALLY are EXTRA CONCENSUS, if that is possible? lol

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 10:04 PM
8:43 a.m., Dec. 19, 2006--University of Delaware senior tight end Ben Patrick is a consensus NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision All-America with the announcement this week that he has been selected to the first team by the Sports Network. Patrick earlier was named first team All-America by the Walter Camp Foundation, the American Football Coaches Association and the Associated Press.

That is what I meant. SIDs say you are a concensus pick if you get those 4. The others are a bonus. SIDs, media, and coaches are all that is needed to be considered concensus.

CSN-info
December 12th, 2007, 10:33 PM
SIDs can say whatever they want to make their players look good - they "officially" can say that on of their players is a consensus all-American. But saying this is somehow sanctioned by the NCAA is something different. There is no NCAA "all-America list" - they are picked by different coaches/media/other organizations.

If a SID claims it's "consensus", the SID can claim it but he's wrong. There is no concept of a "bonus". It's about promoting their players.

smallcollegefbfan
December 12th, 2007, 10:46 PM
SIDs can say whatever they want to make their players look good - they "officially" can say that on of their players is a consensus all-American. But saying this is somehow sanctioned by the NCAA is something different. There is no NCAA "all-America list" - they are picked by different coaches/media/other organizations.

If a SID claims it's "consensus", the SID can claim it but he's wrong. There is no concept of a "bonus". It's about promoting their players.


True but according to NCAA rules in the FBS the AP, AFCA, and Walter Camp are 4 of the ones used to "legally" say it. The FWAA is like the TSN list because it is both writers or SIDs. I feel it is good to say a player is an All-American anytime you can. When you include the CSN, Don Hansen, and Collegesportsreport list that is a good thing. Just saying that 4 or 5 is enough to say concensus. When you get up to 7 or more teams than it is really getting to be a lot. To me you don't need more than 5 teams that are legit. 4 is perfect but 5 is good. The CSN team is very good. Not knocking it. Just saying that just one more is needed before SIDs start saying "concensus". Personally, I look at the CSN teams and save them just like I do the other 4.

R.A.
December 12th, 2007, 11:00 PM
Ronnie McCullogh, senior, Bethune-Cookman

Didn't he lead the nation in tackles on all levels??? Why is he on the 3rd team??

katstrapper
December 12th, 2007, 11:27 PM
Blake Martin was a Preseason All-American and he lived up to it in 2007. This guy has been a solid TE at SHSU his whole career. Corey Roberts before him was an All-American. Overall I think Martin is a better TE with MUCH better hands and speed.

Last three tight ends with national recognition...

Keith Heinrich
Corey Roberts
Blake Martin

BULLDOG8180
December 12th, 2007, 11:49 PM
Andre Roberts is a third team wide receiver All-American. Interesting he is All-American but the coaches didn't see fit to name him All-Southern Conference...

I don't know why Andre was snubbed by the coaches, but in their defensexrolleyesx, two other WRs from the SoCon are All-Americans.

CSN-info
December 13th, 2007, 02:53 AM
True but according to NCAA rules in the FBS the AP, AFCA, and Walter Camp are 4 of the ones used to "legally" say it.You are confusing FBS with FCS.

"Consensus All-America Teams The NCAA compiles consensus all-America teams in the sports of Division I-FBS football and Division I men’s basketball. Currently in football, the five teams used to compile the consensus team are from the Associated Press, the American Football Coaches Association, the Football Writers Association of America, The Sporting News and the Walter Camp Foundation."
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/2007-08_stats_policies.pdf

SIDs are already referring to several players as "consensus" AAs and the two major lists have not been announced yet. If you want to bastardize FBS stuff for FCS (which many who are envious of FBS tend to do) then a more appropriate "consensus five" list is:

American Football Coaches Association
College Sporting News
The Sports Network
Walter Camp Foundation
Associated Press

Also, don't lump Dopke and Hansen etc. in with CSN please. xreadx :) xpeacex

smallcollegefbfan
December 13th, 2007, 06:20 AM
You are confusing FBS with FCS.

"Consensus All-America Teams The NCAA compiles consensus all-America teams in the sports of Division I-FBS football and Division I men’s basketball. Currently in football, the five teams used to compile the consensus team are from the Associated Press, the American Football Coaches Association, the Football Writers Association of America, The Sporting News and the Walter Camp Foundation."
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/2007-08_stats_policies.pdf

SIDs are already referring to several players as "consensus" AAs and the two major lists have not been announced yet. If you want to bastardize FBS stuff for FCS (which many who are envious of FBS tend to do) then a more appropriate "consensus five" list is:

American Football Coaches Association
College Sporting News
The Sports Network
Walter Camp Foundation
Associated Press

Also, don't lump Dopke and Hansen etc. in with CSN please. xreadx :) xpeacex

The only reason I listed just those 4 are because SIDs use those 4 as the guidelines. What is wrong with Dopke and Hansen? I am sure the SME Network will do an All-America team as well. There are so many outlets.

As I said, I do read and save your teams and I don't save Hansen and Dopke.

How come your postseason teams aren't done like your preseason teams? In the preseason you do a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team and then in the postseason you do one team of 50 players.

CSN-info
December 13th, 2007, 07:08 AM
The only reason I listed just those 4 are because SIDs use those 4 as the guidelines. What is wrong with Dopke and Hansen? I am sure the SME Network will do an All-America team as well. There are so many outlets.Ever since you were fired from CSN and others you have been against CSN. Whatever. You can think what you want. Grinding an axe suits you. If you actually think any other outlet produces what CSN does, in quality and quantity about FCS then have fun with that.

Bobcat in NC
December 13th, 2007, 07:38 AM
No Dan Carpenter? xconfusedx xconfusedx

2nd team kicker. xthumbsupx

citdog
December 13th, 2007, 08:23 AM
Cadet Andre Roberts Congrats xthumbsupx

andy7171
December 13th, 2007, 08:36 AM
xthumbsupx Brian Bradford 1st team LB representing his Towson Tigers! xthumbsupx

DetroitFlyer
December 13th, 2007, 09:05 AM
Ever since you were fired from CSN and others you have been against CSN. Whatever. You can think what you want. Grinding an axe suits you. If you actually think any other outlet produces what CSN does, in quality and quantity about FCS then have fun with that.

So now the "hidden agendas" are revealed!

smallcollegefbfan
December 13th, 2007, 09:51 AM
Ever since you were fired from CSN and others you have been against CSN. Whatever. You can think what you want. Grinding an axe suits you. If you actually think any other outlet produces what CSN does, in quality and quantity about FCS then have fun with that.

I quite because you got mad over something that was very petty. Telling someone who wrote an article and never signed a legal contract, that they couldn't use it for another outlet, which does not rival CSN at all. You tried getting me on the phone to talk about it and I wouldn't so you gave up and we never talked about it again. I have no hidden agendas. I was just stating what SIDs have said in their releases. They use those four as the ones to name someone a concensus pick. If they included CSN then I would have included it. As I said I personally look at the CSN teams and so does everyone else. They should include CSN to make it concensus.

Why do you have a beef with Dopke and Hansen? You don't want to be lumped in with them? Are they not good in your eyes? Any media recognition is good. Why would you put down those?

CSN has great quality and quantity. If it was better than TSN, why did you want that job and why did Mr. C. leave? You and him wanted to move to what you felt was a better media outlet. You would have been good for the job, Ralph. Had you not had health issues you might have gotten it. Mr. C is very good at what he does and so are you. No reason to get bent out of shape. If you are the best people will say it. Nobody needs to pat themself on the back. Let others do it for you. People say you are good, no need for you to come out and say it. Sounds like bragging when you say you are good but it sounds like a compliment when others say it.

smallcollegefbfan
December 13th, 2007, 09:55 AM
So now the "hidden agendas" are revealed!


No hidden agendas here. I personally feel the CSN teams are ones that should be included to say a player is a concensus pick but the SIDs don't. If they would include CSN then I would have said 2 more media outlets to go. To clarify, I meant one more media outlet left for players to be able to say they are a concensus pick. Ralph wants to say that CSN should be added so since Hansen has been around longer we will add them and Dopke as well. The Sports Xchange does a team so we will add that then. If you add one new outlet to the fold you have to add the others. The 4 that schools recognize have been around the longest, I believe. That is just the way it goes. If CSN is around in 10 years, and I am sure it will be, SIDs will probably be adding it to the list of ones needed to make a player a concensus selection.

Thunderstruck84
December 13th, 2007, 10:18 AM
I kept looking at ncaa.org stats and wondered why they never listed the SIU punter. Ravanesi averaged 45.8 yds/punt which would have placed him second nationally if it was recognized. I finally figured it out. You have to average 3.6 punts/game to make the list. We just didn't punt enough.
3.6 punts/game is excessive I think, none of the punters on the good teams are eligible because of this. Mike Dragosavich for NDSU has only punted 57 times in the last 2 years combined (22 games) with an average of 45.8 yds.

CSN-info
December 13th, 2007, 01:35 PM
I quite because you got mad over something that was very petty. Telling someone who wrote an article and never signed a legal contract, that they couldn't use it for another outlet, which does not rival CSN at all. You tried getting me on the phone to talk about it and I wouldn't so you gave up and we never talked about it again. I have no hidden agendas. I was just stating what SIDs have said in their releases. They use those four as the ones to name someone a concensus pick. If they included CSN then I would have included it. As I said I personally look at the CSN teams and so does everyone else. They should include CSN to make it concensus.

Why do you have a beef with Dopke and Hansen? You don't want to be lumped in with them? Are they not good in your eyes? Any media recognition is good. Why would you put down those?

CSN has great quality and quantity. If it was better than TSN, why did you want that job and why did Mr. C. leave? You and him wanted to move to what you felt was a better media outlet. You would have been good for the job, Ralph. Had you not had health issues you might have gotten it. Mr. C is very good at what he does and so are you. No reason to get bent out of shape. If you are the best people will say it. Nobody needs to pat themself on the back. Let others do it for you. People say you are good, no need for you to come out and say it. Sounds like bragging when you say you are good but it sounds like a compliment when others say it.Wow, perfect case of disgruntled ex! You might want to email Ralph about this, I will forward him this post. As far as CSN, you were fired for selling CSN material to another company. CSN fired you and the other company did too. But that happened before I was here and it sounds like you still are carrying a grudge. We didn't put down anyone, we didn't say CSN was the best - you put the words in our mouth so you could put us down. What Ralph and Coulson do is their business but you should know that there is no standard FCS "consensus" all-americans except what SIDs want to say. Some already have called their players "consensus" and some will wait for the CSN and Sports Network to release their lists. You need to drop your slamming of CSN, it makes you look childish. xrolleyesx

smallcollegefbfan
December 13th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Wow, perfect case of disgruntled ex! You might want to email Ralph about this, I will forward him this post. As far as CSN, you were fired for selling CSN material to another company. CSN fired you and the other company did too. But that happened before I was here and it sounds like you still are carrying a grudge. We didn't put down anyone, we didn't say CSN was the best - you put the words in our mouth so you could put us down. What Ralph and Coulson do is their business but you should know that there is no standard FCS "consensus" all-americans except what SIDs want to say. Some already have called their players "consensus" and some will wait for the CSN and Sports Network to release their lists. You need to drop your slamming of CSN, it makes you look childish. xrolleyesx

I never slammed CSN as I have said before it does a good job. I don't begrudge CSN at all. I didn't mean to start an argument when I said what I did. Not my fault that SIDs haven't listed CSN as part of the concensus group, they should. I just stated that SIDs use those 4 to say a player is a concensus pick usually. Didn't mean to slight CSN. Just saying that you posted you guys have the best quality and quantity, calling yourself the best IMO. I am just saying that others should say that and many do. No reason to say it about yourself.

You are new? How come you don't use your name? Which writer are you? I was under the impression that you were Ralph. I know Ralph posts on here. I thought he was you, Syntaxx Error, and another one. If Ralph wants to talk I will. I just hope he is feeling better. I heard about what happened and as a human being I hate to see that. Hopefully Ralph will be up to full speed soon. Had he been healthy he would probably be the TSN writer right now.

CSN-info
December 13th, 2007, 04:02 PM
I didn't mean to start an argument when I said what I did.There is no consensus list among FCS SIDs and there's no reason to get personal. CSN doesn't boast, we produce. If you want to speak with Ralph or Coulson email CSN or Sports Network.

smallcollegefbfan
December 13th, 2007, 08:29 PM
There is no consensus list among FCS SIDs and there's no reason to get personal. CSN doesn't boast, we produce. If you want to speak with Ralph or Coulson email CSN or Sports Network.

Someone showed a release that had their playing being concensus due to getting those 4. I don't know why this argument started over it. I was just saying what I have seen most SIDs do. If you see someone include CSN, Hansen, Dopke, etc. then let me know if I haven't posted that those were included and I will. TSN, CSN, Dopke, and Hansen are all still coming out over the next few weeks. I look forward to seeing ALL of the lists.

Which writer are you? Are you Dowd or Deriso or who?