AGS Poll Results 2023 Wk8

[AGSPoll]

10/23/2023




Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1223
47


2
Montana State Bobcats
1177
2


3
Furman Paladins
1122



4
South Dakota Coyotes
1020



5
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
961



6
Sac State Hornets
907



7
Idaho Vandals
906



8
Montana Grizzlies
853



9
Western Carolina Catamounts
833



10
Incarnate Word Cardinals
810



11
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
720



12T
North Dakota State Bison
587



12T
Southern Illinois Salukis
587



14
Chattanooga Mocs
538



15
North Carolina Central Eagles
535



16
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
452



17
Central Arkansas Bears
392



18
Villanova Wildcats
375



19
Youngstown State Penguins
304



20
Albany Great Danes
277



21
Lafayette Leopards
260



22
Florida A&M Rattlers
223



23
Austin Peay Governors
214



24
Northern Iowa Panthers
171



25
New Hampshire Wildcats
125
















ORV:




26
Holy Cross Crusaders
107



27
Harvard Crimson
86



28
Mercer Bears
48



29
UC Davis Aggies
32



30
William & Mary Tribe
29



31
Illinois State Redbirds
16



32
Richmond Spiders
13



33
Fordham Rams
8



34T
Eastern Illinois Panthers
4



34T
Lamar Cardinals
4



36
Nicholls Colonels
3



37
Pennsylvania Quakers
2



38
Elon Phoenix
1



39





40


















Most Significant Win:
Lafayette Leopards






Most Significant Loss:
Holy Cross Crusaders

[SeattleCat]

Why are the Bobcats getting 2 first place votes? We lost to SDSU and that still matters.

[SeattleCat]

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Hello SeattleCat,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2023 11:22:10

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Delaware State Hornets (corrected to Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens)
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Sac State Hornets
10: North Carolina Central Eagles
11: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Lafayette Leopards
14: North Dakota State Bison
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

SeattleCat

The Most Significant Win: Lafayette Leopards
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Why are the Bobcats getting 2 first place votes? We lost to SDSU and that still matters.

Much like the Idaho/Montana thing last week...a couple of people (not Bobcats) seem to think that the resume' at this point is looking stronger. Going on the road and winning impressively against another top team can sway when looking at the close road loss to SDSU I would think.

I'm not even mentioning personnel that is back in action now.

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-5/

Congrats Lafayette for their first appearance in the AGS Top 25 since week 11 of 2009.

I have similar criticisms of this poll that I had of the STATS poll in terms of where the MVFC teams are at. I think the pecking order should be SDSU, USD, UNI, YSU, UND, and then NDSU/SIU in whichever order. There's a lot of dominant head-to-head wins (YSU over SIU, UNI over UND, UND over NDSU) being essentially discounted in the consensus. I don't think there's enough from the teams that lost to offset those head-to-head results. The good thing these should get sorted out with more matchups between these teams coming but it's a mess right now.

Also kind of eye opening to see the second highest CAA team (Villanova) all the way down at #18. There's either a lot of mediocrity in the CAA this year or just a lot of parity and they're beating up on each other.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's my crack at it this week:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Idaho Vandals
5: Sac State Hornets
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: North Carolina Central Eagles
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Albany Great Danes
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: North Dakota State Bison
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Lafayette Leopards
21: Harvard Crimson
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Florida A&M Rattlers

[MUHAWKS]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-5/

Congrats Lafayette for their first appearance in the AGS Top 25 since week 11 of 2009.

I have similar criticisms of this poll that I had of the STATS poll in terms of where the MVFC teams are at. I think the pecking order should be SDSU, USD, UNI, YSU, UND, and then NDSU/SIU in whichever order. There's a lot of dominant head-to-head wins (YSU over SIU, UNI over UND, UND over NDSU) being essentially discounted in the consensus. I don't think there's enough from the teams that lost to offset those head-to-head results. The good thing these should get sorted out with more matchups between these teams coming but it's a mess right now.

Also kind of eye opening to see the second highest CAA team (Villanova) all the way down at #18. There's either a lot of mediocrity in the CAA this year or just a lot of parity and they're beating up on each other.

BOTH

[KPSUL]

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2023 7:11:24

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Furman Paladins
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Idaho Vandals
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
10: Western Carolina Catamounts
11: Southern Illinois Salukis
12: North Dakota State Bison
13: Sac State Hornets
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: North Carolina Central Eagles
17: Albany Great Danes
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Harvard Crimson
21: Lafayette Leopards
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Florida A&M Rattlers

KPSUL

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders

[SeattleCat]

Much like the Idaho/Montana thing last week...a couple of people (not Bobcats) seem to think that the resume' at this point is looking stronger. Going on the road and winning impressively against another top team can sway when looking at the close road loss to SDSU I would think.

I'm not even mentioning personnel that is back in action now.

I personally think that the Bobcats are the better team, but we still have to get over that hump and win the really big games.

[taper]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Western Carolina Catamounts
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Albany Great Danes
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: North Dakota State Bison
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Lafayette Leopards
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

taper

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Agree that MVFC order is rough. Until we get a few more games in I see it as various views that are right rather than any view that is wrong.

[ElCid]

Why are the Bobcats getting 2 first place votes? We lost to SDSU and that still matters.

True, but teams get better, and worse, as seasons progress. An early H2H mean less as time passes from that game. Not saying I agree in this case, it wasn't me, but somebody thinks so. And there are lots of examples of teams splitting H2Hs (regular season and playoffs). Not sure it matters, at this point.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I personally think that the Bobcats are the better team, but we still have to get over that hump and win the really big games.

To me, it looks like they are there and that one slip up against the #1 team and their hours doesn't change that for me but I still have at 2 for now. I could make the case they are the best team is all I'm going with and I could stand fairly solidly behind it.

SDSU and MSU are equal on a neutral field I am damn sure. Both are a cut above the rest right now.

[caribbeanhen]

True, but teams get better, and worse, as seasons progress. An early H2H mean less as time passes from that game. Not saying I agree in this case, it wasn't me, but somebody thinks so. And there are lots of examples of teams splitting H2Hs (regular season and playoffs). Not sure it matters, at this point.

All true, but until Montana St actually beats South Dakota St, the Jackrabbits are still #1 …assuming they remain undefeated

[atthewbon]

I got it in last minute so I didn't get the email response yet, but here is my ballot. I struggled with the MVFC teams. Looking back I probably should have dropped the North Dakota teams (particularly UND) a bit. It feels like there is more parity in the FCS this year.



SDSU
Montana st
Furman
Idaho
South Dakota
Delaware
Sacramento st
Montana
Western Carolina
Incarnate Word
UT Martin
NC Central
North Dakota
NDSU
Chattanooga
Southern Illinois
Central Arkansas
Northern Iowa
Youngstown st
FAMU
Albany
Lafayette
Austin Peay
Villanova
New Hampshire

[KPSUL]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-5/

Congrats Lafayette for their first appearance in the AGS Top 25 since week 11 of 2009.

I have similar criticisms of this poll that I had of the STATS poll in terms of where the MVFC teams are at. I think the pecking order should be SDSU, USD, UNI, YSU, UND, and then NDSU/SIU in whichever order. There's a lot of dominant head-to-head wins (YSU over SIU, UNI over UND, UND over NDSU) being essentially discounted in the consensus. I don't think there's enough from the teams that lost to offset those head-to-head results. The good thing these should get sorted out with more matchups between these teams coming but it's a mess right now.

Also kind of eye opening to see the second highest CAA team (Villanova) all the way down at #18. There's either a lot of mediocrity in the CAA this year or just a lot of parity and they're beating up on each other.

I took a hard look at my MVFC rankings after reading your post, I certainly didn't meet your guidance. I thought that UNI's shut out win over ND was a big eye opener, but since they weren't ranked for a couple weeks, AND the Weber State loss at home for UNI looks worse than any other ranked MVFC team's loss. I say that knowing that Weber's intended QB starter for the season was injured early in the season. But it's hard to factor that in at this juncture. I listened to the Wedge Podcast a couple weeks ago when they predicted a UNH win over Albany and likened the history of UNH and UNI both looking out of the picture and then coming up with a big win to stay in the conversation. I both laughed and gave'em a right on for the observation. So I understand when voters are a bit wary of moving either team to quickly when they begin a comeback.

As far as the CAA, if it proves anything conclusively it's that 15 teams is way to many to have in a conference. There really isn't any more parity, if you put more items in any distribution it is likely to create a wider range. There is parity between 5 or 6 teams at the top, at what level each of those teams can play is hard to establish. Next year it could be much better with 16 teams if they divide the Coastal Athletic Association into two conferences of 8 teams and each conference team plays all their conference mates each season.

[caribbeanhen]

Harvard got tossed out quick

[uofmman1122]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Western Carolina Catamounts
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Albany Great Danes
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: North Dakota State Bison
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Lafayette Leopards
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

taper

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Agree that MVFC order is rough. Until we get a few more games in I see it as various views that are right rather than any view that is wrong.
You don't think Idaho is a top 25 team????

[MSUBobcat]

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Hello SeattleCat,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2023 11:22:10

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Delaware State Hornets (corrected to Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens)
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Sac State Hornets
10: North Carolina Central Eagles
11: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Lafayette Leopards
14: North Dakota State Bison
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

SeattleCat

The Most Significant Win: Lafayette Leopards
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference




Nice work, Ursus! We appreciate your efforts to backstop us from ourselves.

[KPSUL]

Harvard got tossed out quick

Probably not justified after a one TD loss to a good program.

[MSUBobcat]

I personally think that the Bobcats are the better team, but we still have to get over that hump and win the really big games.

I think early in the year, the moment (combined with crowd noise, to give credit where due) was a bit too much for them. Take away a false start (or 83) in the red zone and it's a different ball game. I'll be happy with a 1 or a 2 seed, makes no difference really. Home until Frisco.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Nice work, Ursus! We appreciate your efforts to backstop us from ourselves.

xlolx yeah sometimes a couple get through over the course of a year but to be honest voters have gotten pretty good and looking things over before submitting too os that is a big help.

[atthewbon]

Probably not justified after a one TD loss to a good program.

My reasoning for removing Harvard was the win that spring boarded them in looks worse (Holy Cross) coupled with the loss to Princeton. I did have them as one of my first teams out.

[MSUBobcat]

Harvard got tossed out quick

Their win against HC is becoming less and less valuable and they lost. I would have dropped them a few spots even if they were on a bye after HC lost to the Pards.

[taper]

You don't think Idaho is a top 25 team????
Dang it, that's a total fat finger on my part. #10 should have been Idaho instead of Illinois St. Maybe I need to stop filling out the poll on a touchscreen.

[MSUBobcat]

Dang it, that's a total fat finger on my part. #10 should have been Idaho instead of Illinois St. Maybe I need to stop filling out the poll on a touchscreen.

That moves Idaho somewhat securely in front of Sac, which is correct. It also removes ISU-r from the ORV.

[uofmman1122]

Dang it, that's a total fat finger on my part. #10 should have been Idaho instead of Illinois St. Maybe I need to stop filling out the poll on a touchscreen.
Considering no one else had ISUr in their ballot, I figured that might be the case haha

[caribbeanhen]

Probably not justified after a one TD loss to a good program.

exactly

[caribbeanhen]

xlolx yeah sometimes a couple get through over the course of a year but to be honest voters have gotten pretty good and looking things over before submitting too os that is a big help.

xcoffeex

[ursus arctos horribilis]

xcoffeex
:D

[caribbeanhen]

:D

You must be outside breathing the Big Sky air today gazing at one of those Montana mountain snow capped lined mountain peaked streams because you’re in a good mood

[SeattleCat]

I think early in the year, the moment (combined with crowd noise, to give credit where due) was a bit too much for them. Take away a false start (or 83) in the red zone and it's a different ball game. I'll be happy with a 1 or a 2 seed, makes no difference really. Home until Frisco.

I think a slightly different game plan of getting up and holding on for dear life. I personally like the step on their throat method but it is what it is.

[MSUBobcat]

I think a slightly different game plan of getting up and holding on for dear life. I personally like the step on their throat method but it is what it is.

You'll get no argument from me there! I'm just saying those false starts were drive killers that took points off the board that at least sends the game to OT if even 1 of the very short FG's were turned into TDs (with the ensuing PAT of course).

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2023 6:55:06

Your vote is listed below.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Sac State Hornets
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: North Dakota State Bison
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: North Carolina Central Eagles
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Harvard Crimson
22: Lafayette Leopards
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: Florida A&M Rattlers
25: Austin Peay Governors

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Harvard Crimson
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Preferred Walk-On]

Harvard got tossed out quick

St Thomas (MN) - W 45-13 - unranked; early in season; just got doors blown off by Drake (albeit, an improved Drake)
Brown - W 34-31 - while the Bears could be the 3rd best team in the Ivy (although currently sit at 6th), they just got stomped by Cornell
Holy Cross - W 38-28 - great win...at home.
Cornell - W 41-23 - see Brown line.
Howard - W 48-7 - the Bison did lose to Hampton, so this result seems about right.
@ Princeton - L 21-14 - the Tigers did lose to Lafayette 9-12, but they also lost to Bryant, so...

We now have a Lafayette>Princeton>Harvard>Holy Cross head-to-head scenario (with this arrangement based on games 3-7 of the season for the Crimson). Lafayette was ranked this week, Princeton wasn't (likely based a bit on the loss to Bryant). So, should Harvard (and Holy Cross) have been ranked this week (they almost were)?

Your statement could be just pointing out an observation, but taken together with Harvard lobbying throughout the season, it suggests some surprise. While I ranked both Harvard (even above Lafayette) and Holy Cross, and not Princeton (?), it is not much of a stretch to comprehend Harvard only spending three weeks in the top 25.

Finally, I saw somewhere the statement that the UND loss to UNI now hurts NDSU. I selected Harvard's loss as the most significant this week, because it really dampens (IMO) Holy Cross' chances at an at-large...but we'll see.

[POD Knows]

To me, it looks like they are there and that one slip up against the #1 team and their hours doesn't change that for me but I still have at 2 for now. I could make the case they are the best team is all I'm going with and I could stand fairly solidly behind it.

SDSU and MSU are equal on a neutral field I am damn sure. Both are a cut above the rest right now.Honestly, right now, given each game perfomance, MSU is better than SDSU, I ranked SDSU higher because of the head to head but I absolutely get the reasons for maybe putting MSU 1

[Chalupa Batman]

SDSU and MSU are equal on a neutral field I am damn sure. Both are a cut above the rest right now.

At this point in the 2017 & 2019 seasons it was almost a given that NDSU & JMU were going to play in Frisco and any other matchup would’ve been surprising. It sure seems that the Jackrabbits and Bobcats are on a similar (re)collision course.

[POD Knows]

Flame away, it was a tough week

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: North Carolina Central Eagles
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Florida A&M Rattlers
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: North Dakota State Bison
18: Holy Cross Crusaders
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: Lafayette Leopards
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Lafayette Leopards
The Most Significant Loss: William & Mary Tribe
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Tank Edwards]

Why are the Bobcats getting 2 first place votes? We lost to SDSU and that still matters.

I thought it would be more than two. You have to do more than win, you have to win by a lot. First thing I thought of after the game was final was we didn't by enough, and there will be talk. I like being undefeated since 9/22, but I rather not be number 1.

[Catbooster]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: North Dakota State Bison
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Southern Illinois Salukis
18: North Carolina Central Eagles
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Lafayette Leopards
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: Harvard Crimson
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

Catbooster

The Most Significant Win: Lafayette Leopards
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

[KPSUL]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2023 6:55:06

Your vote is listed below.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Sac State Hornets
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: North Dakota State Bison
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: North Carolina Central Eagles
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Harvard Crimson
22: Lafayette Leopards
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: Florida A&M Rattlers
25: Austin Peay Governors

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Harvard Crimson
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

I'm about to post something I've never said in 9 years on AGS - You've got UNH ranked way to high. If we win our remaining 4 games I'd see #11 about right. Of course it depends on what a lot of other teams do as well. I suspect you actually know a lot about this UNH team and there is as much high end talent there as any UNH team since 2014 when we went undefeated in FCS play and lost a great Semi Finals game to Ill St. in Durham NH. But I think you may be ranking potential more than performance at this juncture.

[caribbeanhen]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2023 6:55:06

Your vote is listed below.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Sac State Hornets
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: North Dakota State Bison
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: North Carolina Central Eagles
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Harvard Crimson
22: Lafayette Leopards
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: Florida A&M Rattlers
25: Austin Peay Governors

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Harvard Crimson
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

I'm about to post something I've never said in 18 years on AGS - You've got Delaware ranked way to high. At least at this moment

[ElCid]

I'm about to post something I've never said in 18 years on AGS - You've got Delaware ranked way to high. At least at this moment

Yeah, I'm scratching my head on Delaware as well. Their schedule, to date, is pretty weak. Massey has it as 64. For top 10 teams I would like to see at least a top 50 schedule at this point. Not required, but a warning sign. As a comparison, Lafayette has the number 54 schedule. And mind you, Delaware's strength of schedule is bolstered by a top 10 FBS. Sure Lafayette has Duke, but they aren't Penn St. And while Delaware has no doubt taken care of business, they have only one respectable win. I'm not bashing on them, I have them in my top 10, just, but I think we have them a bit too high. Like UIW as well. And while I'm using Massey as reference, and it certainly isn't definitive, it's a fair accurate assessment as to SOS. Their next four games will tell the tale though. They will easily be top 5 worthy if they win out.

[Preferred Walk-On]

I'm about to post something I've never said in 18 years on AGS - You've got Delaware ranked way to high. At least at this moment

I’ll defer to someone who follows the CAA closely, KPSUL, to tell you why Delaware IS ranked #5. ;)


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[Preferred Walk-On]

I'm about to post something I've never said in 9 years on AGS - You've got UNH ranked way to high. If we win our remaining 4 games I'd see #11 about right. Of course it depends on what a lot of other teams do as well. I suspect you actually know a lot about this UNH team and there is as much high end talent there as any UNH team since 2014 when we went undefeated in FCS play and lost a great Semi Finals game to Ill St. in Durham NH. But I think you may be ranking potential more than performance at this juncture.

I had to think about this a fair amount, because I wasn’t sure I wanted to have UNH that high.

You might be right (projecting), as I do believe they can go 4-0 to finish the season. I think that, along with the close losses to CMU, Delaware, and a pretty tough (as of the past 3 weeks) Towson, AND the teams losing around them (with a more thorough knowledge of those MVFC teams) makes me think that it is not a stretch for UNH to be at #12.

I’ll wait for others that follow the CAA closely to see their placement of UNH. caribbean, help me out here. ;)


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[caribbeanhen]

Yeah, I'm scratching my head on Delaware as well. Their schedule, to date, is pretty weak. Massey has it as 64. For top 10 teams I would like to see at least a top 50 schedule at this point. Not required, but a warning sign. As a comparison, Lafayette has the number 54 schedule. And mind you, Delaware's strength of schedule is bolstered by a top 10 FBS. Sure Lafayette has Duke, but they aren't Penn St. And while Delaware has no doubt taken care of business, they have only one respectable win. I'm not bashing on them, I have them in my top 10, just, but I think we have them a bit too high. Like UIW as well. And while I'm using Massey as reference, and it certainly isn't definitive, it's a fair accurate assessment as to SOS. Their next four games will tell the tale though. They will easily be top 5 worthy if they win out.

All of that is right on the money El Cid

Stony Brook is just horrible
St Francis is no good
Duquesne? Scrappy but lacking
Hampton has quit
UNH was a nice win but UNH is probably not a playoff team

Now a part of me believes Delaware can be ranked #5 in the coming weeks as it just feels like something intriguing is forming up, but really because of the weak schedule they haven’t had the opportunity to erase the doubts yet

Towson game will tell us

[Chalupa Batman]

For your viewing pleasure:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Sac State Hornets
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: North Dakota State Bison
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Lafayette Leopards
18: North Carolina Central Eagles
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Harvard Crimson
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Villanova Wildcats

The Most Significant Win: Lafayette Leopards
The Most Significant Loss: William & Mary Tribe

[caribbeanhen]

I’ll defer to someone who follows the CAA closely, KPSUL, to tell you why Delaware IS ranked #5. ;)


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Does KPSUL tuck you in at night? 😆

Yes he follows the CAA closely but don’t listen to him on Delaware…

[KPSUL]

I’ll defer to someone who follows the CAA closely, KPSUL, to tell you why Delaware IS ranked #5. ;)


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I really think that UNH has played the three best teams in the CAA now: Delaware, Albany and Towson. And while Towson beat UNH also, I felt Delaware was the best of the 3. I understand Delaware fans are a bit gun shy in see their team ascend to the lofty heights of top 5 given the disappointments of the last 10+ years. I also think the Top 3 statement is temporal and the conference is still likely to have considerable upheaval until all of the conference games are in the record books. There are some injury concerns at Delaware, but I'm not going to rank a team before we even see the effect injuries might have on their performance. Delaware has the inside track to the conference title and auto-bid being undefeated in conference and FCS play at the moment. They have 4 more games to play and each of the 4 opponents are competitive teams: Towson, Elon, Campbell and Villanova. They could lose one or two of these games, but for now, I'm satisfied with their #5 ranking.

[KPSUL]

Does KPSUL tuck you in at night? 

Yes he follows the CAA closely but don’t listen to him on Delaware…

Jeez, you could have at least waited until you read my reply.xrotatehxxconfusedx

[Preferred Walk-On]

Does KPSUL tuck you in at night? [emoji38]

Yes he follows the CAA closely but don’t listen to him on Delaware…

How about you on UNH? Thoughts? Rank?


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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: North Carolina Central Eagles
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Albany Great Danes
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Lafayette Leopards
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Florida A&M Rattlers
22: North Dakota State Bison
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

The Most Significant Win: Lafayette Leopards
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[Puddin Tane]

Interesting…UIW keeps winning. And dropping in the poll.

[KPSUL]

How about you on UNH? Thoughts? Rank?


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What a minute, why don't you respond to my reply concerning UNH and how you ranked them. I'd like to hear your thoughts, not just your Phil Donahue or Maury Povich imitation.

[mvemjsunpx]

Interesting…UIW keeps winning. And dropping in the poll.

Because they keep struggling to beat teams that suck.

[Preferred Walk-On]

What a minute, why don't you respond to my reply concerning UNH and how you ranked them. I'd like to hear your thoughts, not just your Phil Donahue or Maury Povich imitation.


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[Preferred Walk-On]

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Post #44?


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[mvemjsunpx]

I did a wholesale reevaluation this week, so some of the movements from last week may seem weird (especially Albany).

Previous week in parentheses…


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Montana St. (2)
3. South Dakota (4)
4. Furman (6)
5. Delaware (5)
6. Idaho (7)
7. Albany (17)
8. Western Carolina (3)
9. Southern Illinois (9)
10. Montana (13)
11. North Dakota St. (14)
12. Villanova (18)
13. Youngstown St. (21)
14. Lafayette (NR)
15. Tennessee-Martin (22)
16. NC Central (12)
17. Sacramento St. (8)
18. Central Arkansas (24)
19. New Hampshire (25)
20. Austin Peay (23)
21. Incarnate Word (19)
22. Florida A&M (20)
23. Harvard (11)
24. Holy Cross (16)
25. Northern Iowa (NR)

Dropped - North Dakota (10), Eastern Kentucky (15)


W - Lafayette
L - North Dakota

[Preferred Walk-On]

What a minute, why don't you respond to my reply concerning UNH and how you ranked them. I'd like to hear your thoughts, not just your Phil Donahue or Maury Povich imitation.

Sorry, Tapatalk and I are currently having issues.

Post #44?

CH said Delaware was too high…I pointed out that someone that follows the CAA closely (you) had them ranked the same.

You said New Hampshire was ranked too high…You posted your poll and I was curious since CH used your vernacular to point out Delaware was ranked too high to see what his thoughts were on UNH. Since I have yet to see CH’s poll this week, I just wanted to know if he had UNH low and where.

Returning to your post above, I will simply elaborate on post #44 ever so slightly, in that UNH lost to MY #5 by 4 pt, and they just beat the AGS consensus #20 only 10 days ago. Therefore, is UNH at #12 really that unreasonable, even now (not end of season)? They fit in there due to their more recent performances AND due to the recent performances of teams that are around them near that spot.


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[Redbird 4th & short]

Interesting…UIW keeps winning. And dropping in the poll.

Seriously ? You should be wondering how youre still ranked so high.



Date

Opponent

Result
PF
PA



Sat 09-02
at
UTEP (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7933)
(2-6)
L (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287247)
14
28



Sat 09-09
at
N Colorado (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/5625)
96(0-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287415)
42
7



Sat 09-16
at
Abilene Chr (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/18)
32(4-3)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287568)
27
20



Sat 09-23

North American (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/307782)
(1-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287665)
63
3



Sat 10-07

SE Louisiana (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7314)
64(1-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287889)
33
26



Sat 10-14

TX A&M Commerce (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7868)
75(1-6)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287995)
28
11



Sat 10-21
at
McNeese St (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/4613)
107(0-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288130)
35
24

[FUBeAR]

Seriously ? You should be wondering how youre still ranked so high.



Date

Opponent

Result
PF
PA


Sat 09-02
at
UTEP (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7933)
(2-6)
L (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287247)
14
28


Sat 09-09
at
N Colorado (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/5625)
96(0-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287415)
42
7


Sat 09-16
at
Abilene Chr (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/18)
32(4-3)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287568)
27
20


Sat 09-23

North American (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/307782)
(1-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287665)
63
3


Sat 10-07

SE Louisiana (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7314)
64(1-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287889)
33
26


Sat 10-14

TX A&M Commerce (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7868)
75(1-6)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287995)
28
11


Sat 10-21
at
McNeese St (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/4613)
107(0-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288130)
35
24



WOW! If records of such things were kept, FUBeAR would have to believe facing 7 Teams with a combined win total of 9 has to be the “7-games-in” record…and…

…according to Massey, their schedule gets significantly easier from here to the end of the regular season.

[BEAR]

You all are ranking UCA WAAAAAY too high. Sure we have talent but we seriously run the same plays over and over. Plus we aren't in a good conference that we have to make comebacks in games in... xlolx

[Puddin Tane]

Seriously ? You should be wondering how youre still ranked so high.



Date

Opponent

Result
PF
PA



Sat 09-02
at
UTEP (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7933)
(2-6)
L (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287247)
14
28



Sat 09-09
at
N Colorado (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/5625)
96(0-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287415)
42
7



Sat 09-16
at
Abilene Chr (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/18)
32(4-3)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287568)
27
20



Sat 09-23

North American (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/307782)
(1-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287665)
63
3



Sat 10-07

SE Louisiana (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7314)
64(1-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287889)
33
26



Sat 10-14

TX A&M Commerce (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7868)
75(1-6)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287995)
28
11



Sat 10-21
at
McNeese St (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/4613)
107(0-7)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288130)
35
24





Umm…not my team…just an observation

[Puddin Tane]

You all are ranking UCA WAAAAAY too high. Sure we have talent but we seriously run the same plays over and over. Plus we aren't in a good conference that we have to make comebacks in games in... xlolx

and youre from the south! Evidently you gotta be somewhere north of kansas or west of nebraska to be worth a **** in football.

[smilo]

Everyone is ragging on their school's performance this year - and I'm not surprised. It's not just FCS - the quality of play across all of division 1 absolutely stinks compared to recent years. I'm constantly in disbelief over nearly every aspect of the game being filled with miscues (except special teams?)

I actually have Villanova a couple spots higher than AGS this week for the first time, but the "Coastal" is hideous. What a terrible vision for a conference. Probably should not get more than 3 bids even if more teams are eligible. 8 wins should be required.

[MSUBobcat]

Interesting…UIW keeps winning. And dropping in the poll.

Just beat them this weekend so we can boot them out of the poll altogether. Peck 'em!

[MSUBobcat]

and youre from the south! Evidently you gotta be somewhere north of kansas or west of nebraska to be worth a **** in football.

When did Kansas and Nebraska move to the Caribbean?? Literally 8 of the current AGS poll meet your criteria.

I don't understand why you campaign so hard for UIW. They struggle against some really bad teams. They're gonna be an early exit if they even make the playoffs.

[caribbeanhen]

St Thomas (MN) - W 45-13 - unranked; early in season; just got doors blown off by Drake (albeit, an improved Drake)
Brown - W 34-31 - while the Bears could be the 3rd best team in the Ivy (although currently sit at 6th), they just got stomped by Cornell
Holy Cross - W 38-28 - great win...at home.
Cornell - W 41-23 - see Brown line.
Howard - W 48-7 - the Bison did lose to Hampton, so this result seems about right.
@ Princeton - L 21-14 - the Tigers did lose to Lafayette 9-12, but they also lost to Bryant, so...

We now have a Lafayette>Princeton>Harvard>Holy Cross head-to-head scenario (with this arrangement based on games 3-7 of the season for the Crimson). Lafayette was ranked this week, Princeton wasn't (likely based a bit on the loss to Bryant). So, should Harvard (and Holy Cross) have been ranked this week (they almost were)?

Your statement could be just pointing out an observation, but taken together with Harvard lobbying throughout the season, it suggests some surprise. While I ranked both Harvard (even above Lafayette) and Holy Cross, and not Princeton (?), it is not much of a stretch to comprehend Harvard only spending three weeks in the top 25.

Finally, I saw somewhere the statement that the UND loss to UNI now hurts NDSU. I selected Harvard's loss as the most significant this week, because it really dampens (IMO) Holy Cross' chances at an at-large...but we'll see.

just an observation and no surprise at all, it’s what AGS does. They choose not to participate in playoffs and get punished in the polls, no worries really

One loss for an MVFC or Big Sky teams starts up the cannibalism chant… that term will never be used for an Ivy team

[Preferred Walk-On]

just an observation and no surprise at all, it’s what AGS does. They choose not to participate in playoffs and get punished in the polls, no worries really

One loss for an MVFC or Big Sky teams starts up the cannibalism chant… that term will never be used for an Ivy team

Maybe more than one loss, but I don't necessarily disagree with this sentiment. It's what AGS does is a gross oversimplification, but obviously there have been many posts supporting that anti-playoff/anti-Ivy sentiment, so I get where you are coming from.

What if the Ivy started two weeks earlier (no finals at the beginning of the semester, right?) and played OOC not within an hour or two drive and/or made it lucrative enough to get schools there (after all, they are the Ivy...they print money, right?)? Would that be enough to limit their poll punishment? It would at least allow for some assessment of "football" quality within the league. Who knows, maybe the Pioneer is actually really good, and they are simply cannibalizing each other. Oh wait, they played OOC games at some distance with some (perceived?) high quality football programs, so we actually have some bearing.

I can appreciate the support for the Ivies, but let's not act like they are being wronged all the time either...I am pretty sure they don't even give it a second thought.

[KPSUL]

Sorry, Tapatalk and I are currently having issues.

Post #44?

CH said Delaware was too high…I pointed out that someone that follows the CAA closely (you) had them ranked the same.

You said New Hampshire was ranked too high…You posted your poll and I was curious since CH used your vernacular to point out Delaware was ranked too high to see what his thoughts were on UNH. Since I have yet to see CH’s poll this week, I just wanted to know if he had UNH low and where.

Returning to your post above, I will simply elaborate on post #44 ever so slightly, in that UNH lost to MY #5 by 4 pt, and they just beat the AGS consensus #20 only 10 days ago. Therefore, is UNH at #12 really that unreasonable, even now (not end of season)? They fit in there due to their more recent performances AND due to the recent performances of teams that are around them near that spot.


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Thanks, I appreciate your feedback!

[caribbeanhen]

Maybe more than one loss, but I don't necessarily disagree with this sentiment. It's what AGS does is a gross oversimplification, but obviously there have been many posts supporting that anti-playoff/anti-Ivy sentiment, so I get where you are coming from.

What if the Ivy started two weeks earlier (no finals at the beginning of the semester, right?) and played OOC not within an hour or two drive and/or made it lucrative enough to get schools there (after all, they are the Ivy...they print money, right?)? Would that be enough to limit their poll punishment? It would at least allow for some assessment of "football" quality within the league. Who knows, maybe the Pioneer is actually really good, and they are simply cannibalizing each other. Oh wait, they played OOC games at some distance with some (perceived?) high quality football programs, so we actually have some bearing.

I can appreciate the support for the Ivies, but let's not act like they are being wronged all the time either...I am pretty sure they don't even give it a second thought.

could care a less

Now you put Harvard up against Florida A&M in a real Celebration Bowl, I’ll be all over it. That hypothetical game might even draw some national attention.

Unranked Harvard would be the Vegas favorite to behead the Tallahassee Rattlers too

and people have Florida A&M ranked over N Dakota St…. Staggering

[POD Knows]

could care a less

Now you put Harvard up against Florida A&M in a real Celebration Bowl, I’ll be all over it. That hypothetical game might even draw some national attention.

Unranked Harvard would be the Vegas favorite to behead the Tallahassee Rattlers too

and people have Florida A&M ranked over N Dakota St…. Staggering
I have A&M ranked over NDSU, if a team has a freaking pulse on offense, they will be in every game against NDSU. NDSU gave up over 100 yards rushing to WIU and I don't care that the 2 and 3 deep played some in the second half. This defense is incredibly soft. Any average to slightly above average team has a chance against NDSU, I personally believe that every team I have ranked above NDSU would beat them head to head on a neutral site. I have zero confidence in their defense. Hell, they don't even have confidence in their own D, won the coin toss against WIU and elected to receive, I am pretty sure that this is the first time this has happened. NDSU is not a good team coming from behind and I am sure, that in the back of their minds, they didn't want to be down to start the game.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Umm…not my team…just an observation
my bad .. not your team, but is your conference. So to finish the point .. this one is incredible.


IW combined opponent record is 9-43 with SOS ranked 78th. Their last 3 games against D-I teams have combined for 2 wins. Yet IW only won by avg of 12 pts per game. And your wondering why AGS is dropping IW ?? 11th is way too generous.

ISUr combined opponent record is 21-30 with SOS ranked 68th. it is our worst SOS ever and by far. We had to reschedule our FBS game against Oklahoma, and had to pick up Lindenwood late. Plus we don't play 3 of the top 5 MVFC teams. This and our defense will kill any playoff chances if we finish 7-4. But we're at least blowing out all of the weak teams on our schedule, except for the road loss to 4-3 EIU.

So is IW consider Top 25 playoff team ... not exactly. They're considered a Top 8 seed. Incarnate Word is #4 on Coaches Poll, #8 on STATS, and #11 on AGS. Their best win is Abilene Christian, Massey #32, by just 7. And they have 4 easy games remaining. They will not play a single playoff team all season. Massey has UTEP ranked 161st which would put them about 30th in FCS ... and also not a playoff team .. in theory.

This is just plain silly.

[caribbeanhen]

How about you on UNH? Thoughts? Rank?


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I think they struggle to much on defense against the more athletic teams

I have them at 26 just outside the poll, it was between them and Holy Cross for the last spot

I don’t think they’re gonna make it into the playoffs

I don’t pretend to be an expert on New Hampshire, and could be totally wrong, but you asked

KPSUL doesn’t get CH, but he and I do agree a lot. His sense of humor is improving and his therapist uses a technique where he holds up a picture of the Caribbean while simultaneously measuring his vital signs and it had been working in helping him not take things so seriously and keeping his pulse and BP within healthy limits …

[kdinva]

What the heck:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Idaho Vandals
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: North Dakota State Bison
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: North Carolina Central Eagles
19: Lafayette Leopards
20: Florida A&M Rattlers
21: Holy Cross Crusaders
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Albany Great Danes
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Youngstown State Penguins


The Most Significant Win: Lafayette Leopards
The Most Significant Loss: William & Mary Tribe

[crusader11]

Some of you guys are very kind for keeping Holy Cross in your 25.

[caribbeanhen]

Some of you guys are very kind for keeping Holy Cross in your 25.

No argument from me

what happened to the D?

Sluka did put on an amazing show running the football in a losing effort, it’s worth watching

[SeattleCat]

Some of you guys are very kind for keeping Holy Cross in your 25.

Looks to me the poll got it right, 25-26 is right about where I think they should be.

[caribbeanhen]

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/23/2023 4:56:14

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12: Harvard Crimson
13: North Carolina Central Eagles
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: North Dakota State Bison
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Incarnate Word Cardinals
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Lafayette Leopards
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

[taper]

Some of you guys are very kind for keeping Holy Cross in your 25.
Yeah, this is a tough one. I dropped them out because it's late enough in the season to not use last year's results or use circular reasoning.
With their baby soft schedule you need to win. Last year the only reason I ranked them was the Buffalo win, and then remaining undefeated. They don't have that this time.
Calling Harvard a good loss because they beat a good HC team is circular. Now that both lost again they're out. HC can get back in by beating Army, but I won't even consider them unless/until that.

[crusader11]

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/23/2023 4:56:14

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12: Harvard Crimson
13: North Carolina Central Eagles
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: North Dakota State Bison
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Incarnate Word Cardinals
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Lafayette Leopards
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

Pretty solid poll. Reps for ranking UIW at 19. (I had them at 16 in mine).

Curious with the Harvard ranking. I can still see them being ranked in the 25, but in the top half?

[crusader11]

Yeah, this is a tough one. I dropped them out because it's late enough in the season to not use last year's results or use circular reasoning.
With their baby soft schedule you need to win. Last year the only reason I ranked them was the Buffalo win, and then remaining undefeated. They don't have that this time.
Calling Harvard a good loss because they beat a good HC team is circular. Now that both lost again they're out. HC can get back in by beating Army, but I won't even consider them unless/until that.

I'm seeing this the same way.

Depending on what others teams do this weekend and if HC clobbers Fordham, I could see them sneaking back into the 25.

But, without any "good" win this year (Yale, Colgate, Bucknell, and Merrimack...yuck) and the highlight of the season being a close loss to Boston College (who actually looks decent), it's easy for me to find 25 worthier teams at this juncture.

- - - Updated - - -

Here's my 25 --

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Idaho Vandals
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Southern Illinois Salukis
11: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: North Dakota State Bison
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Incarnate Word Cardinals
17: North Carolina Central Eagles
18: Lafayette Leopards
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: UC Davis Aggies
24: Florida A&M Rattlers
25: Harvard Crimson

[caribbeanhen]

Pretty solid poll. Reps for ranking UIW at 19. (I had them at 16 in mine).

Curious with the Harvard ranking. I can still see them being ranked in the 25, but in the top half?

Are the Ivies cannibalising theme-selves? Haha

I was just very impressed with them so far, I think I dropped them 5 spots. Granted, losing to Princeton is not a good look, if they lose again they will be rightfully punished.

edit: I really think Harvard would roll your #24

[crusader11]

edit: I really think Harvard would roll your #24

I might be reading too far into FAMU's showing against USF (actually outgained them and had it to a one-score game in the 4th), which is looking pretty good after USF has shown to be not as incompetent as most thought they'd be in the preseason.

[Puddin Tane]

my bad .. not your team, but is your conference. So to finish the point .. this one is incredible.


IW combined opponent record is 9-43 with SOS ranked 78th. Their last 3 games against D-I teams have combined for 2 wins. Yet IW only won by avg of 12 pts per game. And your wondering why AGS is dropping IW ?? 11th is way too generous.

ISUr combined opponent record is 21-30 with SOS ranked 68th. it is our worst SOS ever and by far. We had to reschedule our FBS game against Oklahoma, and had to pick up Lindenwood late. Plus we don't play 3 of the top 5 MVFC teams. This and our defense will kill any playoff chances if we finish 7-4. But we're at least blowing out all of the weak teams on our schedule, except for the road loss to 4-3 EIU.

So is IW consider Top 25 playoff team ... not exactly. They're considered a Top 8 seed. Incarnate Word is #4 on Coaches Poll, #8 on STATS, and #11 on AGS. Their best win is Abilene Christian, Massey #32, by just 7. And they have 4 easy games remaining. They will not play a single playoff team all season. Massey has UTEP ranked 161st which would put them about 30th in FCS ... and also not a playoff team .. in theory.

This is just plain silly.


massey massey massey….we have a bye week, sela (who we beat the previous week) wins their game. Sela moves up 10 spots and over us. Thats some Missouri valley math going on.

whats gonna be awesome is if UIW loses a conference game and comes in 2nd. Southland champ gets an autobid, uiw gets an at large, and one of the teams from mvfc gets bumped.

[Redbird 4th & short]

massey massey massey….we have a bye week, sela (who we beat the previous week) wins their game. Sela moves up 10 spots and over us. Thats some Missouri valley math going on.

whats gonna be awesome is if UIW loses a conference game and comes in 2nd. Southland champ gets an autobid, uiw gets an at large, and one of the teams from mvfc gets bumped.
troll much ?

[uni88]

massey massey massey….we have a bye week, sela (who we beat the previous week) wins their game. Sela moves up 10 spots and over us. Thats some Missouri valley math going on.

whats gonna be awesome is if UIW loses a conference game and comes in 2nd. Southland champ gets an autobid, uiw gets an at large, and one of the teams from mvfc gets bumped.

Things like that have happened before so it definitely could happen. It's also possible that UIW loses to Lamar and Nicholls and doesn't even make the playoffs.

[Puddin Tane]

Things like that have happened before so it definitely could happen. It's also possible that UIW loses to Lamar and Nicholls and doesn't even make the playoffs.

Naw, not us. No run defense. South Dakota figured that out in the 2nd half. Next year for us, unless we get portalled again.

Nicholls has been playing good after a pretty brutal early schedule.
Wouldnt surprise me if they win out.

[KPSUL]

I think they struggle to much on defense against the more athletic teams

I have them at 26 just outside the poll, it was between them and Holy Cross for the last spot

I don’t think they’re gonna make it into the playoffs

I don’t pretend to be an expert on New Hampshire, and could be totally wrong, but you asked

KPSUL doesn’t get CH, but he and I do agree a lot. His sense of humor is improving and his therapist uses a technique where he holds up a picture of the Caribbean while simultaneously measuring his vital signs and it had been working in helping him not take things so seriously and keeping his pulse and BP within healthy limits …

This was actually a pretty good summary of where UNH stands at the moment. Good post - minus the amateur psychoanalysis of coursexsmileyclapx-

[caribbeanhen]

This was actually a pretty good summary of where UNH stands at the moment. Good post - minus the amateur psychoanalysis of coursexsmileyclapx-

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Puerto Rico es una isla de poco más de 160 km de largo por 60 km de ancho y allí

[F'N Hawks]

My poll:
1. Home UND



124. Road UND

[POD Knows]

No argument from me

what happened to the D?

Sluka did put on an amazing show running the football in a losing effort, it’s worth watching
The HC offensive play calling early on sucked major balls. Prove me wrong. Afraid to throw the ball?

[caribbeanhen]

The HC offensive play calling early on sucked major balls. Prove me wrong. Afraid to throw the ball?

well it was raining pretty hard but something seemed off. Every play was a snap to Sluka, quick little hip rotation fake and run …. And it was working. Lafayette beat them fair and square
Though

[crusader11]

The HC offensive play calling early on sucked major balls. Prove me wrong. Afraid to throw the ball?

In looking at the score and box score, the HC offense (Sluka) looked like they had a good day.

But they scored only seven points in the first half, got down 21-7, and that changed the entire game (obviously).

[KPSUL]

Relax
breathe
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Puerto Rico es una isla de poco más de 160 km de largo por 60 km de ancho y allí


Nice view of of some part of an Island I used to live on for 6 month. Oh, and a hammock I probably couldn't get into to, and definitely couldn't get out of without getting wet.

[POD Knows]

In looking at the score and box score, the HC offense (Sluka) looked like they had a good day.

But they scored only seven points in the first half, got down 21-7, and that changed the entire game (obviously).I thought it was the early play calling that killed them, way too conservative, they must have thought the Lafayette D was the reincarnation of the 85 Bears or something.

[caribbeanhen]

I have A&M ranked over NDSU, if a team has a freaking pulse on offense, they will be in every game against NDSU. NDSU gave up over 100 yards rushing to WIU and I don't care that the 2 and 3 deep played some in the second half. This defense is incredibly soft. Any average to slightly above average team has a chance against NDSU, I personally believe that every team I have ranked above NDSU would beat them head to head on a neutral site. I have zero confidence in their defense. Hell, they don't even have confidence in their own D, won the coin toss against WIU and elected to receive, I am pretty sure that this is the first time this has happened. NDSU is not a good team coming from behind and I am sure, that in the back of their minds, they didn't want to be down to start the game.

Don’t you think you’re being a little tough on the beaver Ward?

The Bison would roll The Rattlers

[POD Knows]

Don’t you think you’re being a little tough on the beaver Ward?

The Bison would roll The RattlersKeep your powder dry, this weekends game against freaking Murray State might be closer than you think.

[ElCid]

Don’t you think you’re being a little tough on the beaver Ward?

The Bison would roll The Rattlers

No shyt. A lot of self-flagellation going on by the hairy cows.

[MR. CHICKEN]

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Puerto Rico es una isla de poco más de 160 km de largo por 60 km de ancho y allí


....ME AN' SNOOP......HAVIN'....COUPLE COLD ONES..........BRAWK!

[caribbeanhen]

Nice view of of some part of an Island I used to live on for 6 month. Oh, and a hammock I probably couldn't get into to, and definitely couldn't get out of without getting wet.

and what Island would that be?

[KPSUL]

and what Island would that be?

The caption reads: "Puerto Rico is an island just over 160 km long by 60 km wide". So I must have meant Iceland!

[caribbeanhen]

The caption reads: "Puerto Rico is an island just over 160 km long by 60 km wide". So I must have meant Iceland!


captions lie, I’ve covered every inch of Puerto Rico and that’s not Puerto Rico so maybe you were living on Staten Island….

[uni88]

captions lie, I’ve covered every inch of Puerto Rico and that’s not Puerto Rico so maybe you were living on Staten Island….

A quick Google image search shows it might be Mt. Pahia and Otemanu on Bora Bora.

[caribbeanhen]

A quick Google image search shows it might be Mt. Pahia and Otemanu on Bora Bora.

That I believe, I’ve covered The Caribbean as well and don’t recognize that view..

[KPSUL]

That I believe, I’ve covered The Caribbean as well and don’t recognize that view..

Didn't realize this was an Island Trivia contest.... How about Saba ?

[WWII]

Definitely not. Saba

[caribbeanhen]

Didn't realize this was an Island Trivia contest.... How about Saba ?

it’s not but you asked

Nope not the little Dutch island they filmed King Kong on

[WWII]

Which King Kong? Not the original.

[caribbeanhen]

Which King Kong? Not the original.

I think it was the 70s version