AGS Poll Results 2023 Wk7

[AGSPoll]

10/16/2023



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1250
50


2
Montana State Bobcats
1200



3
Furman Paladins
1104



4
Sac State Hornets
1020



5
Western Carolina Catamounts
981



6
South Dakota Coyotes
941



7
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
898



8
Idaho Vandals
857



9
Incarnate Word Cardinals
851



10
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
809



11
Montana Grizzlies
741



12
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
637



13
Holy Cross Crusaders
616



14
Southern Illinois Salukis
577



15
North Carolina Central Eagles
538



16
Harvard Crimson
525



17
North Dakota State Bison
476



18
Chattanooga Mocs
392



19
William & Mary Tribe
387



20
Central Arkansas Bears
286



21
Villanova Wildcats
262



22
Florida A&M Rattlers
171



23
Youngstown State Penguins
170



24
Austin Peay Governors
146



25
Albany Great Danes
141
















ORV:




26
New Hampshire Wildcats
74



27
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
51



28
UC Davis Aggies
46



29
Lafayette Leopards
25



30
Mercer Bears
18



31
North Carolina A&T Aggies
15



32
Fordham Rams
14



33
Illinois State Redbirds
13



34T
Eastern Illinois Panthers
4



34T
Northern Iowa Panthers
4



34T
Richmond Spiders
4



37
Portland State Vikings
2



38





39





40


















Most Significant Win:
Montana Grizzlies





Most Significant Loss:
North Dakota State Bison

[atthewbon]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
5: Western Carolina Catamounts
6: Idaho Vandals
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Sac State Hornets
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Harvard Crimson
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: North Carolina Central Eagles
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: North Dakota State Bison
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: Holy Cross Crusaders
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Villanova Wildcats

[crusader11]

Tough week. Here's my go at it --

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Western Carolina Catamounts
5: Furman Paladins
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Holy Cross Crusaders
12: North Carolina Central Eagles
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: Youngstown State Penguins
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: North Dakota State Bison
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: Albany Great Danes
24: UC Davis Aggies
25: Lafayette Leopards

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results-5/

A lot new-ness in the top 25 this week. Furman's highest ranking since 2005, Western Carolina's highest ranking ever, and NDSU's lowest ranking since 2010 breaking a remarkable streak of 175 consecutive AGS Polls where they appeared in the top 8 (started with the final poll of 2010).

[Bisonator]

Why is Idaho ahead of Montana???

[Professor Chaos]

My crack at it this week:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Furman Paladins
5: Western Carolina Catamounts
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Idaho Vandals
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
10: Harvard Crimson
11: Holy Cross Crusaders
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: North Carolina Central Eagles
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Albany Great Danes
18: North Dakota State Bison
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: Florida A&M Rattlers
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

[Professor Chaos]

Why is Idaho ahead of Montana???
You could ask the same question about why Sac St is ahead of Idaho. Too many other data points on the season for head-to-head to trump them all - Montana has an ugly loss to NAU (which looks even worse after this week) and uninspiring wins against Butler and Ferris St. Idaho has that great win against Sac St and a dominating FBS win over Nevada (yeah Nevada is bad but only USC has beaten them worse than Idaho did). On top of all that Idaho was a 2-pt conversion from sending the Montana game to OT despite being -3 in turnovers. I think it's justified to have them still ranked above Montana.

[Chalupa Batman]

For your viewing pleasure:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Western Carolina Catamounts
5: Sac State Hornets
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Idaho Vandals
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Harvard Crimson
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Holy Cross Crusaders
15: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
18: North Carolina Central Eagles
19: North Dakota State Bison
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Central Arkansas Bears

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota State Bison

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Why is Idaho ahead of Montana???

Well if you look at both teams the resume for Idaho is still slightly stronger...maybe more thanslightly. I mean the head to head starts to mean less and less in the 2nd 1/2 of the season anyway but I don't think anyone can be faulted for not making that one game the decider.

Montana was in 4th place as far as just BSC teams for me. Sac is ahead of Idaho even though they lost that game and I was less sure about that set than the Montana/Idaho set.

[KPSUL]

Why is Idaho ahead of Montana???

They go to bed early and don't check the updates on Sunday?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They go to bed early and don't check the updates on Sunday?

The people that have Montana ahead of Idaho this week are the only ones sleeping. Montana has a chance to bolster the resume over the next couple weeks.

[Professor Chaos]

I say this in self-criticism looking back at my poll but I think plenty fell into this trap over over-valuing USD's and UND's wins over NDSU. Maybe the Bison turn it around (I doubt it) but beating them isn't looking like all that impressive of a feat this year and that's been mainly what USD and UND are parleying into top 10 rankings right now. USD needed a last second FG to beat YSU, who the consensus has as barely hanging in the top 25, at home.

[Bisonator]

You could ask the same question about why Sac St is ahead of Idaho. Too many other data points on the season for head-to-head to trump them all - Montana has an ugly loss to NAU (which looks even worse after this week) and uninspiring wins against Butler and Ferris St. Idaho has that great win against Sac St and a dominating FBS win over Nevada (yeah Nevada is bad but only USC has beaten them worse than Idaho did). On top of all that Idaho was a 2-pt conversion from sending the Montana game to OT despite being -3 in turnovers. I think it's justified to have them still ranked above Montana.

I get it but if you are going to have them close in the poll might as well have the winner be ahead. Not going to call anyone out but it seems dumb to have Idaho 2 spots ahead of Montana.

[OhioHen]

10/16/2023



31
North Carolina A&T Aggies
15










Seriously? 1-5 North Carolina A&T? Surely those 15 points are somebody intending North Carolina Central at #11.

My fumble finger Idaho State in place of correct Idaho was caught, so we know the ballots are being checked.

[penguinpower]

I say this in self-criticism looking back at my poll but I think plenty fell into this trap over over-valuing USD and UND's win over NDSU. Maybe the Bison turn it around (I doubt it) but beating them isn't looking like all that impressive of a feat this year and that's been mainly what USD and UND are parleying into top 10 rankings right now. USD needed a last second FG to beat YSU, who the consensus has as barely hanging in the top 25, at home.

YSU is probably a little better than #25.

[Bisonator]

I say this in self-criticism looking back at my poll but I think plenty fell into this trap over over-valuing USD's and UND's wins over NDSU. Maybe the Bison turn it around (I doubt it) but beating them isn't looking like all that impressive of a feat this year and that's been mainly what USD and UND are parleying into top 10 rankings right now. USD needed a last second FG to beat YSU, who the consensus has as barely hanging in the top 25, at home.
I agree. Beating NDSU is not a great feat this season. Very average looking Bison team this year. Dare I say average even.....

[Professor Chaos]

YSU is probably a little better than #25.
I agree - they should be above both NDSU and SIU in my opinion. Having them 9 spots below SIU in the consensus is ridiculous. That's like ranking NDSU 9 spots above UND.

[wcugrad95]

YSU probably is. The problem with many is getting over the overall record. We all know that not all 3-3 teams are equal, but they are still 3-3 with 2 of those wins being over RMU and Valpo. The last 2 weeks show how capable YSU is, so if they keep that up they will climb.

[Preferred Walk-On]

31 North Carolina A&T Aggies 15


Are we sure this wasn't supposed to be a #11 vote for North Carolina Central Eagles? The 1-5 Aggies going from never having received a vote this year to 15 points following a loss to Delaware is striking to me.

[POD Knows]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Sac State Hornets
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Harvard Crimson
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Holy Cross Crusaders
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: North Carolina Central Eagles
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: North Dakota State Bison
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Austin Peay Governors
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: Mercer Bears
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota State Bison

[SeattleCat]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
5: Western Carolina Catamounts
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Idaho Vandals
8: Sac State Hornets
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Holy Cross Crusaders
11: North Carolina Central Eagles
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Harvard Crimson
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: North Dakota State Bison
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Portland State Vikings

SeattleCat

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho Vandals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[crusader11]

Why is Idaho ahead of Montana???

Guessing because pollsters have taken into account seven weeks of football, rather than just one.

[leopardball2010]

How about this Patriot League love-fest?!?! Three in the top 30 since when?

I wonder how these rankings will shake out as Lafayette, HC, and Fordham still all need to play each other.

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[caribbeanhen]

The people that have Montana ahead of Idaho this week are the only ones sleeping. Montana has a chance to bolster the resume over the next couple weeks.

Final scores matter

[caribbeanhen]

Seriously? 1-5 North Carolina A&T? Surely those 15 points are somebody intending North Carolina Central at #11.

My fumble finger Idaho State in place of correct Idaho was caught, so we know the ballots are being checked.

that’s just bad

[Preferred Walk-On]

Final scores matter

The eye-test matters as well.

[F'N Hawks]

If UND can go no the road and beat UNI I will believe they are Top 6-8 range. Right now they are a 10-12 type team IMO

[robsnotes4u]

Why is Idaho ahead of Montana???

One data point that contradicts the others from this season. Is the game an anomoly? Give it a couple of games to see?


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[Chalupa Batman]

YSU is probably a little better than #25.


I agree - they should be above both NDSU and SIU in my opinion. Having them 9 spots below SIU in the consensus is ridiculous. That's like ranking NDSU 9 spots above UND.

I agree with both of you here.

YSU was #20 in the poll last week, travelled to the #10 team, lost on a last second FG, and then fell 3 spots. That is the very definition of slot voting that gets AGS so frustrated over the other polls. They even fell behind Florida A&M who was idle! YSU stayed pretty much where I had them last week in mine, and if it wasn't for UND & Montana jumping them might have gotten bumped up a spot even.



YSU probably is. The problem with many is getting over the overall record. We all know that not all 3-3 teams are equal, but they are still 3-3 with 2 of those wins being over RMU and Valpo. The last 2 weeks show how capable YSU is, so if they keep that up they will climb.

They also played Ohio State pretty tough, and they absolutely destroyed highly ranked Southern Illinois. The final in that game was 31-3 but that score is actually closer than the game was.

[crusader11]

How about this Patriot League love-fest?!?! Three in the top 30 since when?

I wonder how these rankings will shake out as Lafayette, HC, and Fordham still all need to play each other.

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Guessing November 22, 2009.

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?66530-AGS-Poll-11-22-09

[caribbeanhen]

The eye-test matters as well.

my own words come back to haunt

[wapiti]

Why is Idaho ahead of Montana???

Why is Montana ahead of NAU?

[Chalupa Batman]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results-5/

A lot new-ness in the top 25 this week. Furman's highest ranking since 2005, Western Carolina's highest ranking ever, and NDSU's lowest ranking since 2010 breaking a remarkable streak of 175 consecutive AGS Polls where they appeared in the top 8 (started with the final poll of 2010).

Would this be South Dakota's highest ranking too? If not when/what was there highest?

[Catamount87]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results-5/

A lot new-ness in the top 25 this week. Furman's highest ranking since 2005, Western Carolina's highest ranking ever, and NDSU's lowest ranking since 2010 breaking a remarkable streak of 175 consecutive AGS Polls where they appeared in the top 8 (started with the final poll of 2010).

Actually, we ended the 1983 season #2 then we opened the 1984 season as the #1 team. I think we finished that year at #14 or 15 just missing the playoffs.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Why is Montana ahead of NAU?


33096

.....'CUZZZ....DEY DIDN'T LOSE.......TA PORTLAND STATE....OR...UTAH TECH...........BRAWK!

[stonemd]

Do the current ranking make anyone rethink who the top 3 conferences are?

[Chalupa Batman]

Actually, we ended the 1983 season #2 then we opened the 1984 season as the #1 team. I think we finished that year at #14 or 15 just missing the playoffs.

He's talking specifically about the AGS poll when he says highest ranking ever.

[FUBeAR]

Actually, we ended the 1983 season #2 then we opened the 1984 season as the #1 team. I think we finished that year at #14 or 15 just missing the playoffs.
Wikipedia, FWIW, disagrees with most of this except for the #14 ranking at the end of 1984 regular season.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_NCAA_Division_I-AA_football_rankings
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_NCAA_Division_I-AA_football_rankings

FUBeAR knows WCU was runner-up in the National Championship game in 1983, but he cannot find a poll after the end of the regular season poll which had Furman @ #2 and WCU @ #9. And also the 1st ‘84 poll he sees was 3 weeks into the season with Furman 3-0 and #1 … and WCU unranked. But FU lost 3 of 4 SoCon games mid-season (including to WCU) and also missed the playoffs for the 1st time since reclassifying to I-AA.

Don’t doubt…but would like to see … you got links for those polls you mention?

[leopardball2010]

Guessing November 22, 2009.

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?66530-AGS-Poll-11-22-09Good on you for going and pulling that out of the archives!

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[FUBeAR]

Do the current ranking make anyone rethink who the top 3 conferences are?
Nope - it’s always been MVFC, Big Sky, and SoCon. Some of y’all just lost your objectivity when GaSou and Appy moved to the land of irrelevance, and Elon dipped down to the CAA - all in the same season. And the responses to this observation will prove that point.

[Preferred Walk-On]

my own words come back to haunt

I don't know about haunt. Just felt that in that Montana @ Idaho game, that the Vandals simply ran out of time.

That said, the Vandals were also responsible for how they performed most of the 1st half. I just think the good 'ol eye-test suggested that while the scoreboard showed loss, it was not quite reflective of the better team; rather, it reflected (IMO) a bit of a hiccup in performance for a half by one team. That said, I do believe that Montana is definitely on to something as well and am looking forward to seeing how they finish the season.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/15/2023 12:21:58

Your vote is listed below.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Western Carolina Catamounts
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Harvard Crimson
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Holy Cross Crusaders
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: North Carolina Central Eagles
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: North Dakota State Bison
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Mercer Bears
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Florida A&M Rattlers

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho Vandals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

Would this be South Dakota's highest ranking too? If not when/what was there highest?
No, they got all the way up to #3 in weeks 6 and 7 in 2017 after starting 6-0 with an FBS win.


Actually, we ended the 1983 season #2 then we opened the 1984 season as the #1 team. I think we finished that year at #14 or 15 just missing the playoffs.
I'm talking AGS poll history which only goes back to 2004.

[HensRock]

Would this be South Dakota's highest ranking too? If not when/what was there highest?


USD #3
2017, Weeks 6 and 7

AGS Poll After 2017 Week 6...

1 James Madison
2 North Dakota St.
3 South Dakota
4 Jacksonville St.
5 Wofford
6 Central Arkansas
7 Youngstown St.
8 South Dakota St.
9 Sam Houston St.
10 Western Illinois
11 Eastern Washington
12 Villanova
13 Elon
14 Weber St.
15 New Hampshire
T16 Illinois St.
T16 North Carolina A&T
18 Richmond
19 Samford
20 Western Carolina
21 Northern Arizona
22 McNeese St.
23 Delaware
24 Stony Brook
25 Montana

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Western Carolina Catamounts
5: Furman Paladins
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: North Carolina Central Eagles
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Florida A&M Rattlers
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Austin Peay Governors

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota State Bison
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[caribbeanhen]

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/16/2023 7:34:39

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Harvard Crimson
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: North Carolina A&T Aggies
12: Holy Cross Crusaders
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: North Dakota State Bison
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Lafayette Leopards

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/16/2023 7:34:39

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Harvard Crimson
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: North Carolina A&T Aggies
12: Holy Cross Crusaders
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: North Dakota State Bison
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Lafayette Leopards

Are you sure about North Carolina A&T Aggies at #11?

[NY Crusader 2010]

The people that have Montana ahead of Idaho this week are the only ones sleeping. Montana has a chance to bolster the resume over the next couple weeks.

If I had made a poll this week, I would've had ranked Idaho ahead of Montana.

I also would have had Harvard ahead of Holy Cross.

- - - Updated - - -


Are you sure about North Carolina A&T Aggies at #11?

He must've meant NC Central.

[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Montana St. (3)
3. Western Carolina (6)
4. South Dakota (11)
5. Delaware (4)
6. Furman (7)
7. Idaho (2)
8. Sacramento St. (8)
9. Southern Illinois (13)
10. North Dakota (19)
11. Harvard (16)
12. NC Central (10)
13. Montana (NR)
14. North Dakota St. (5)
15. Eastern Kentucky (14)
16. Holy Cross (17)
17. Albany (9)
18. Villanova (21)
19. Incarnate Word (15)
20. Florida A&M (18)
21. Youngstown St. (12)
22. Tennessee-Martin (20)
23. Austin Peay (23)
24. Central Arkansas (NR)
25. New Hampshire (NR)

Dropped - Eastern Washington (22), Elon (24), William & Mary (25)


W - Montana
L - Eastern Washington

[robsnotes4u]

33096

.....'CUZZZ....DEY DIDN'T LOSE.......TA PORTLAND STATE....OR...UTAH TECH...........BRAWK!

Yet for Portland State. That one is coming


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/16/2023 7:34:39

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Harvard Crimson
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: North Carolina A&T Aggies
12: Holy Cross Crusaders
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: North Dakota State Bison
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Lafayette Leopards

Well there you go Ohiohen, I missed this one and so did the voter. Feel ****ty about that but I have 50 ballots to look at so I guess it's bound to happen once in a while.

I'm just glad it would not have changed their spot.

[MSUBobcat]

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/16/2023 7:34:39

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Harvard Crimson
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: North Carolina A&T Aggies
12: Holy Cross Crusaders
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: North Dakota State Bison
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Lafayette Leopards

We found the mysterious 15 points for NCAT!

[skinny_uncle]

Not much respect for SIU even though they had a 3 TD Valle​y road win.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Not much respect for SIU even though they had a 3 TD Valle​y road win.

That 28 point loss to Youngstown State and kinda, sorta fluky win over SEMO still resonates with me. As do their wins over AP and NIU. The Salukis can prove a lot this weekend. Go down swinging against SDSU and i'll happily move up the Salukis.

I don't think a lot separates SIU, YSU, UND and USD at this point. Even NDSU and UNI could have a say before its all said and done. Thankfully, looking at schedules they'll be some sorting out in the coming weeks....

[dbackjon]

my own words come back to haunt

ditto

- - - Updated - - -


Why is Montana ahead of NAU?


One good game (or two, for that matter) doesn't make a season if you suck the rest of the games.

[caribbeanhen]

We found the mysterious 15 points for NCAT!

yep, I came clean with it, but NC Central owes me a few as I have been plugging for them all year

[TheKingpin28]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Furman Paladins
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Western Carolina Catamounts
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Idaho Vandals
13: North Carolina Central Eagles
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Southern Illinois Salukis
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: North Dakota State Bison
19: Florida A&M Rattlers
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Albany Great Danes

To ensure that those who know more than everyone else, please know I did not rank NAU this week. xcoffeex

[MSUBobcat]

yep, I came clean with it, but NC Central owes me a few as I have been plugging for them all year

The merciless berating you gave me for not ranking them was at the front of mind when I saw it 😂

[caribbeanhen]

The merciless berating you gave me for not ranking them was at the front of mind when I saw it 

Instant Karma

[Gil Dobie]

Good to finally see USD above NDSU by the voters.

[Houndawg]

Not much respect for SIU even though they had a 3 TD Valle​y road win.

listening on the radio it seemed like the offense struggled again, this time against a bad-at-best defense. Right now I would say that SDSU can name the score this week.

[Ivytalk]

Now, I can tell my granddaughters that their PopPop witnessed two Phillies World Series wins, one Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl win, and one week in the AGS Poll where Harvard was ranked ahead of NDSU.xnodx

[Bisonator]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Western Carolina Catamounts
5: Furman Paladins
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: North Carolina Central Eagles
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Florida A&M Rattlers
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Austin Peay Governors

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota State Bison
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League
You dropped NDSU completely out?

[Gil Dobie]

You dropped NDSU completely out?

Behind a team they beat.

[Gil Dobie]

Now, I can tell my granddaughters that their PopPop witnessed two Phillies World Series wins, one Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl win, and one week in the AGS Poll where Harvard was ranked ahead of NDSU.xnodx

I'd like to see you add the Ivys join the playoffs, to your list.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

You dropped NDSU completely out?

Yup! I dropped them to the mid-teens when they lost to USD then out completely after getting blown out by UND. They can work their way back in/up the rankings like Holy Cross and Montana have/are.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Behind a team they beat.

They're not the only team who is behind a team they beat. When there's more games/observable data the head-2-head starts to become a bit more subjective in nature....

[Bisonator]

Yup! I dropped them to the mid-teens when they lost to USD then out completely after getting blown out by UND. They can work their way back in/up the rankings like Holy Cross and Montana have/are.
Yet you have Richmond in there? And Florida AM? Those are more impressive to you? NDSU has losses to 2 of your top 10 teams and beaten one of your top 25 badly.

[POD Knows]

They're not the only team who is behind a team they beat. When there's more games/observable data the head-2-head starts to become a bit more subjective in nature....
You know, your statement would maybe be fine if you didn’t include some of the drek you did in your poll. I thought about dropping NDSU down to the low 20s until I looked at who should have been ahead of them and there wasn’t anybody there

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Yet you have Richmond in there? And Florida AM? Those are more impressive to you? NDSU has losses to 2 of your top 10 teams and beaten one of your top 25 badly.

Richmond is coming off a solid win over URI and have a pretty clear path to 8-3 and the playoffs imo. Perhaps they're finally living up to their preseason Top 25 billing? Time will tell. NDSU has two "get right games" up next before heading to Brookings. My guess is they'll beat-up on WIU and Murray State, like a good team should, to move back into the Top 20.

As of now, the Bison look like a 7-4, maybe even a 6-5 team. Just feels so weird to type...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

You know, your statement would maybe be fine if you didn’t include some of the drek you did in your poll. I thought about dropping NDSU down to the low 20s until I looked at who should have been ahead of them and there wasn’t anybody there

What dreks? My poll very much reflects AGS's in general. The two caveats? I don't have W&M and NDSU in the Top 25. Two teams that were in the Top 10/5 not too long ago. When HC lost to Harvard I dropped them from 4 to 20 iirc, YSU's loss to UNI sent them from #12 to UR, Montana had a similar fall and rise after a to NAU and win over Idaho respectively. I'm trying to gauge some of these teams ceiling/floors relative to expectations and national perception. It's only one week...

I had NDSU #14 last week, #15 two weeks ago, #2 on 9/24....

[HensRock]

Richmond is coming off a solid win over URI and have a pretty clear path to 8-3 and the playoffs imo.

So Richmond has an easy remaining schedule, therefore they are a good football team?

Are we ranking teams that are good, or teams that will be most likely to get into the playoffs?
I think Davidson has a pretty good shot at the playoffs, yet they do not appear in your poll.
Harvard has absolutely no shot, yet you rank them #14.:D

Spiders have been too inconsistent this season. I would not consider URI a quality win. And what about the losses to Morgan St AND Hampton?
IMO, you are putting too much weight on W-L record.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

So Richmond has an easy remaining schedule, therefore they are a good football team?

Are we ranking teams that are good, or teams that will be most likely to get into the playoffs?
I think Davidson has a pretty good shot at the playoffs, yet they do not appear in your poll.
Harvard has absolutely no shot, yet you rank them #14.:D

Spiders have been too inconsistent this season. I would not consider URI a quality win. And what about the losses to Morgan St AND Hampton?
IMO, you are putting too much weight on W-L record.

I had EWU ranked with a losing record last week. It's all contextual. We'll see how this plays out.

I do think Richmond will beat W&M at the end of the season. A team that's in the AGS Top 25. I could see the Tribe losing to Towson this week.

[POD Knows]

What dreks? My poll very much reflects AGS's in general. The two caveats? I don't have W&M and NDSU in the Top 25. Two teams that were in the Top 10/5 not too long ago. When HC lost to Harvard I dropped them from 4 to 20 iirc, YSU's loss to UNI sent them from #12 to UR, Montana had a similar fall and rise after a to NAU and win over Idaho respectively. I'm trying to gauge some of these teams ceiling/floors relative to expectations and national perception. It's only one week...

I had NDSU #14 last week, #15 two weeks ago, #2 on 9/24....
Who has Illinois state beat??? UCA over NDSU, Richmond?

[HensRock]

It's all contextual.

Of course it is. Take a look at my Blue Hens. Sure they're undefeated in FCS, but their schedule is hot garbage. Wins over Stony Brook, St. Francis, UNH, Duquesne, and NCA&T. I do not think they are a top 10 team. Unfortunately, with Hampton and Towson on deck, we might not find that out until at least Week 10! (maybe Week 12)

[Bisonator]

Richmond is coming off a solid win over URI and have a pretty clear path to 8-3 and the playoffs imo. Perhaps they're finally living up to their preseason Top 25 billing? Time will tell. NDSU has two "get right games" up next before heading to Brookings. My guess is they'll beat-up on WIU and Murray State, like a good team should, to move back into the Top 20.

As of now, the Bison look like a 7-4, maybe even a 6-5 team. Just feels so weird to type...
Richmond has losses to a 1-4 Morgan State and 3-3 Hampton! WTF does "a clear path to 8-3" have to do with their ranking today? Same with "the Bison look like a 7-4 or 6-5 team"? They are 4-2 right now with losses to 2 top 10 teams. I think this NDSU team is being a bit punished for the programs last decade plus of dominance. They have lost to 2 top 25 teams. Yes they got blown out this last game by a solid team on the road but they still have a more impressive resume than most of the top 25 IMO.

[Gil Dobie]

What dreks? My poll very much reflects AGS's in general. The two caveats? I don't have W&M and NDSU in the Top 25. Two teams that were in the Top 10/5 not too long ago. When HC lost to Harvard I dropped them from 4 to 20 iirc, YSU's loss to UNI sent them from #12 to UR, Montana had a similar fall and rise after a to NAU and win over Idaho respectively. I'm trying to gauge some of these teams ceiling/floors relative to expectations and national perception. It's only one week...

I had NDSU #14 last week, #15 two weeks ago, #2 on 9/24....

My biggest question is UCA over NDSU. As of today NDSU has a top 25 win and 2 losses. UCA a loss to an unrated team, no wins.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Richmond has losses to a 1-4 Morgan State and 3-3 Hampton! WTF does "a clear path to 8-3" have to do with their ranking today? Same with "the Bison look like a 7-4 or 6-5 team"? They are 4-2 right now with losses to 2 top 10 teams. I think this NDSU team is being a bit punished for the programs last decade plus of dominance. They have lost to 2 top 25 teams. Yes they got blown out this last game by a solid team on the road but they still have a more impressive resume than most of the top 25 IMO.

Morgan State had an interesting start to the year that has now turned tragic. They lost to Akron in ridiculous fashion, to Albany in OT and by 10 to Towson. The wheels have fallen off sadly. Trust me, I don't see Richmond's ceiling much higher than 20-25. I have Florida A&M positioned based on a similar thought process..

I have no idea what the Bison are right now given their most recent performance and some obvious "slippage". I think there's a mental/cultural factor at play with NDSU that other teams/programs don't have to deal with. Entz needs to use these next two weeks to not only hone in the execution, but more importantly, get the Bison's dominant edge back.

I dinged Holy Cross pretty hard too after the lost to Harvard, 16 spot fall iirc. I'm interested to see how they do against a 5-1 Lafayette team (do not have ranked, this week will tell the tail even in a hard fought defeat), Fordham and Army before I push them closer to the Top 10 again. I look at YSU and Montana in similar lights, varying degrees of an enigma. In a rematch, I still like Idaho over the Griz. Even in Missoula. Is that a dumb thought process? Maybe...

With NDSU there is just a lot of "noise" currently and i'd venture to say it's never been louder. Water ultimately finds its level, like with some other teams, i'll let it settle itself in due time.

MVFC is a really tough league to gauge right now after SDSU. I'm not sure what to do with the Salukis either. And i feel like I have USD a bit overrated but they do have wins over of NDSU in Fargo and a respectable OOC dub over Lamar.

Also of note, I dropped UIW out of the Top 10 for the first time this year....

[ElCid]

Yeah, anyone not ranking NDSU right now is wrong. They are a good team. A very good team. Just not a top 5 or maybe not a top 10 team. Still a solid team. Anything from 11-20 would arguably be a realistic and deserving rank for them. Everything else is posturing.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Yeah, anyone not ranking NDSU right now is wrong. They are a good team. A very good team. Just not a top 5 or maybe not a top 10 team. Still a solid team. Anything from 11-20 would arguably be a realistic and deserving rank for them. Everything else is posturing.

I had them 14-15 after their being #2. I don't believe that based on such a precedent it is "absurd" to drop them out for a week or two in order to see how things play out. Odds are, just like Montana and YSU they work they way back in. Maybe W&M will too?!?! The Bison have plenty of opportunities to show their worth, create their own story for 2023 with SDSU, SIU and UNI lined up in November. If W&M wins this week I will likely move them back in. I think Towson is pretty feisty this year....

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Just so everyone knows, I did catch that on Go's ballot and inquired about it.:D

I am also of the mind that not having them on the ballot seems really incorrect considering all of the arguments you guys have made but it was intentional so as long as a voter can defend it even if others don't think the reasoning is really sound then the ballot stands and serves as a good discussion for better voting for all of us once the points are made.

It is why I really like these discussions each week. Man, you learn more detail in here than anywhere else once the debate starts. xlolx

[penguinpower]

Morgan State had an interesting start to the year that has now turned tragic. They lost to Akron in ridiculous fashion, to Albany in OT and by 10 to Towson. The wheels have fallen off sadly. Trust me, I don't see Richmond's ceiling much higher than 20-25. I have Florida A&M positioned based on a similar thought process..

I have no idea what the Bison are right now given their most recent performance and some obvious "slippage". I think there's a mental/cultural factor at play with NDSU that other teams/programs don't have to deal with. Entz needs to use these next two weeks to not only hone in the execution, but more importantly, get the Bison's dominant edge back.

I dinged Holy Cross pretty hard too after the lost to Harvard, 16 spot fall iirc. I'm interested to see how they do against a 5-1 Lafayette team (do not have ranked, this week will tell the tail even in a hard fought defeat), Fordham and Army before I push them closer to the Top 10 again. I look at YSU and Montana in similar lights, varying degrees of an enigma. In a rematch, I still like Idaho over the Griz. Even in Missoula. Is that a dumb thought process? Maybe...

With NDSU there is just a lot of "noise" currently and i'd venture to say it's never been louder. Water ultimately finds its level, like with some other teams, i'll let it settle itself in due time.

MVFC is a really tough league to gauge right now after SDSU. I'm not sure what to do with the Salukis either. And i feel like I have USD a bit overrated but they do have wins over of NDSU in Fargo and a respectable OOC dub over Lamar.

Also of note, I dropped UIW out of the Top 10 for the first time this year....



The middle of the MVFC>the top of the CAA

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Just so everyone knows, I did catch that on Go's ballot and inquired about it.:D

I am also of the mind that not having them on the ballot seems really incorrect considering all of the arguments you guys have made but it was intentional so as long as a voter can defend it even if others don't think the reasoning is really sound then the ballot stands and serves as a good discussion for better voting for all of us once the points are made.

It is why I really like these discussions each week. Man, you learn more detail in here than anywhere else once the debate starts. xlolx

When I dropped Montana, W&M, YSU etc out no one batted an eye. Likwise when i dropped Holy Cross 16 spots after Sluka struggled and Harvard physically beat up the Crusaders in their backyard. But with the Bison it's different because of the "power of perception" given their decade run of dominance. I'm a quirky cat. There's a method behind my madness in terms of mine and others perceptions/critique of teams. Like i said, I had the Bison #14 last week so my baseline was already considerably lower than the majority.

NDSU this year is a bit like Clemson. I don't believe the Tigers have worked their way back into the Top 25 despite their 4-2 record....

I'm here to defend theory...lol. And I am willing to be proved wrong...xrotatehx

[caribbeanhen]

When I dropped Montana, W&M, YSU etc out no one batted an eye. Likwise when i dropped Holy Cross 16 spots after Sluka struggled and Harvard physically beat up the Crusaders in their backyard. But with the Bison it's different because of the "power of perception" given their decade run of dominance. I'm a quirky cat. There's a method behind my madness in terms of mine and others perceptions/critique of teams. Like i said, I had the Bison #14 last week so my baseline was already considerably lower than the majority.

NDSU this year is a bit like Clemson. I don't believe the Tigers have worked their way back into the Top 25 despite their 4-2 record....

I'm here to defend theory...lol. And I am willing to be proved wrong...xrotatehx

hey, at least you didn’t vote for NC A&T and great job taking the heat!!!

[Chalupa Batman]

When I dropped Montana, W&M, YSU etc out no one batted an eye. Likwise when i dropped Holy Cross 16 spots after Sluka struggled and Harvard physically beat up the Crusaders in their backyard. But with the Bison it's different because of the "power of perception" given their decade run of dominance. I'm a quirky cat. There's a method behind my madness in terms of mine and others perceptions/critique of teams. Like i said, I had the Bison #14 last week so my baseline was already considerably lower than the majority.

NDSU this year is a bit like Clemson. I don't believe the Tigers have worked their way back into the Top 25 despite their 4-2 record....

I'm here to defend theory...lol. And I am willing to be proved wrong...xrotatehx

To be fair, no one batted an eye when you dropped NDSU from #2 to #15 two weeks ago either.

I've found I can do the same thing in a poll 3-4 weeks in a row before someone who disagrees with it notices and brings it to everyones attention.

I will say this about your poll: not having NDSU in isn't egregious, but having Richmond in it is. Bison would easily be 6-1 against their schedule and the Spiders are 4-3.

[ncspiderfan]

So Richmond has an easy remaining schedule, therefore they are a good football team?

Are we ranking teams that are good, or teams that will be most likely to get into the playoffs?
I think Davidson has a pretty good shot at the playoffs, yet they do not appear in your poll.
Harvard has absolutely no shot, yet you rank them #14.:D

Spiders have been too inconsistent this season. I would not consider URI a quality win. And what about the losses to Morgan St AND Hampton?
IMO, you are putting too much weight on W-L record.

I do not think I would rank Spiders just yet, but all might not know Richmond beat Stony with the #3 walk on QB that had not taken a snap in practice after the starter could not go and back up went down in first half. They tried the guy again at Hampton and got one first down by penalty in the first half and brought on the #4 true freshman they intended to let run the scout team and redshirt. He did drive them to two TDs in the second half but too little too late. He has been the starter in the wins the last two weeks. The #1 can go this week according to the Head Coach, but they do not know if he or the #4 is going to start.
There is a reason Spiders have been inconsistent, and time will tell if they are good when healthy, Morgan State was inexcusable.

Spiders are also getting others back in the two deep at various positions. OL and DL each got one back last week and the DL guy had 3 of Richmond's 6 sacks last week.
Still thin at CB, but pretty good outside that for now.

Not excuse making, it is what it is, just did not know if some were aware why they have been up and down. Of course, it could be they are just not good. but might want to see how they fare for the next couple of games before completely writing them off.

[caribbeanhen]

Of course it is. Take a look at my Blue Hens. Sure they're undefeated in FCS, but their schedule is hot garbage. Wins over Stony Brook, St. Francis, UNH, Duquesne, and NCA&T. I do not think they are a top 10 team. Unfortunately, with Hampton and Towson on deck, we might not find that out until at least Week 10! (maybe Week 12)

Exactly why I have them around 15, we just don’t know enough about the Hens just yet