AGS Poll Results 2023 Wk5

[AGSPoll]

10/2/2023



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1275
51


2
Montana State Bobcats
1215



3
Idaho Vandals
1172



4
Furman Paladins
1081



5
Southern Illinois Salukis
1049



6
Sac State Hornets
1011



7
Incarnate Word Cardinals
911



8
North Dakota State Bison
878



9
Western Carolina Catamounts
836



10
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
809



11
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
620



12
South Dakota Coyotes
606



13
Holy Cross Crusaders
578



14
William & Mary Tribe
488



15
North Carolina Central Eagles
445



16
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
436



17
Weber State Wildcats
415



18
Albany Great Danes
390



19
Harvard Crimson
321



20
Chattanooga Mocs
303



21
UC Davis Aggies
284



22
Eastern Washington Eagles
175



23
Elon Phoenix
161



24
Montana Grizzlies
151



25
Florida A&M Rattlers
143
















ORV:




26
Eastern Illinois Panthers
126



27
Central Arkansas Bears
119



28
Villanova Wildcats
104



29
Mercer Bears
95



30
Austin Peay Governors
84



31
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
57



32
Northern Iowa Panthers
52



33
New Hampshire Wildcats
51



34
Rhode Island Rams
47



35
Illinois State Redbirds
41



36
Tarleton Texans
15



37
Youngstown State Penguins
14



38
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10



39
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
6



40
Fordham Rams
1
















Most Significant Win:
South Dakota Coyotes





Most Significant Loss:
North Dakota State Bison

[Chalupa Batman]

Flame away everyone. And yes caribbeanhen I do have Harvard ranked.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Furman Paladins
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: North Dakota State Bison
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Austin Peay Governors
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Florida A&M Rattlers
21: Elon Phoenix
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: North Carolina Central Eagles
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Mercer Bears

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-5-top-25-results-5/

I'm disappointed to see the soft landings for NDSU, Holy Cross, and William & Mary as all are above the teams that beat them. It's a little early in the season to discount head-to-head that much. I'm also not sure what UT-Martin keeps doing to move up so much. I know the last couple weeks have been crazy in terms of upsets but they've gone from #23 two weeks ago to #11 this week by beating North Alabama and Tennessee St. I see a good number of teams below them in the consensus that have been more impressive IMO.

[Professor Chaos]

Here was my stab at it after that ****show of a week....

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Furman Paladins
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Albany Great Danes
12: Harvard Crimson
13: North Dakota State Bison
14: Holy Cross Crusaders
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Florida A&M Rattlers
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Central Arkasas Bears
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: Eastern Washington Eagles
24: William & Mary Tribe
25: Tarleton State Texans

[TheKingpin28]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Furman Paladins
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Western Carolina Catamounts
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: North Dakota State Bison
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Harvard Crimson
14: Elon Phoenix
15: North Carolina Central Eagles
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Holy Cross Crusaders
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Albany Great Danes
21: UC Davis Aggies
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Florida A&M Rattlers
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

Just not sure how NDSU is in the Top 10 still?

I'll be the first to admit I overreacted on the Elon vote but if we all thought HC was a Top 5 team, after how Harvard had their way with HC, they are easily a top 15 team IMO.

[smilo]

William & Mary should not be ranked. Only one of their results this year resembled a top 25 team. Without Bronson Yoder, they are mediocre in an awful conference.

South Dakota has earned a top 10 ranking until proven otherwise. No debut is too high.

Harvard is undefeated. They won on the road. Even if Brown wasn't pretty, it was a warm up game. They are ahead of Holy Cross for me, despite the hype.

NC Central should barely be ranked, if at all. As proven, they would be in the middle of a terrible CAA.

And seriously - Montana?!

Usually the AGS poll make more drastic changes before me. Seems to be lagging.

[taper]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Furman Paladins
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Sac State Hornets
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: North Dakota State Bison
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Mercer Bears
15: William & Mary Tribe
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
18: Elon Phoenix
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Chattanooga Mocs

taper

The Most Significant Win: Albany Great Danes
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota State Bison


Lots of teams moving up by default because others went down.

[POD Knows]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Furman Paladins
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Sac State Hornets
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Harvard Crimson
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Holy Cross Crusaders
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: North Carolina Central Eagles
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Eastern Illinois Panthers
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Elon Phoenix
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: William & Mary Tribe
25: UC Davis Aggies

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: William & Mary Tribe
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[crusader11]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-5-top-25-results-5/

I'm disappointed to see the soft landings for NDSU, Holy Cross, and William & Mary as all are above the teams that beat them. It's a little early in the season to discount head-to-head that much. I'm also not sure what UT-Martin keeps doing to move up so much. I know the last couple weeks have been crazy in terms of upsets but they've gone from #23 two weeks ago to #11 this week by beating North Alabama and Tennessee St. I see a good number of teams below them in the consensus that have been more impressive IMO.

That is fair...but don't see Elon ranked in your poll while W&M is.

[SDFS]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Furman Paladins
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Sac State Hornets
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: North Dakota State Bison
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Mercer Bears
15: William & Mary Tribe
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
18: Elon Phoenix
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Chattanooga Mocs

taper

The Most Significant Win: Albany Great Danes
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota State Bison


Lots of teams moving up by default because others went down.

UND at 7 is way too high.

[MSUBobcat]

Overall, I like what y'all have cumulatively put together here. Even as a Big Sky fan, I just can't understand the love for Weber and Montana.

I agree with Chalupa on the most significant loss being Holy Cross just because they have less opportunities remaining to work their way back into a crucial top-8 seed. Holy Cross currently only has Fordham, who received one 25th place vote, as remaining opponents that are ranked/ORV (a 5-1 Lafayette may work their way into the discussion with a win next week over Princeton, but would likely depend on what else happens the weekends of 10/7 and 10/14). The Bison still have @UND (#16), @SDSU (#1, obviously), vs SIU (#5) and @UNI (#32) so they are still in control of their own destiny as far as getting a bye and home game(s) in the playoffs.

[Professor Chaos]

That is fair...but don't see Elon ranked in your poll while W&M is.
That's a fair criticism. I struggled to figure out who to put in those last few spots and decided to throw W&M a bone based mainly off of their 4-1 record and last year's solid season. I still didn't like Elon as a top 25 team but I probably should've left W&M out as well in that case. W&M being 9 spots above Elon in the consensus though is just baffling. At least Harvard and South Dakota got relatively close to the teams they beat.

[crusader11]

Overall, I like what y'all have cumulatively put together here. Even as a Big Sky fan, I just can't understand the love for Weber and Montana.

I agree with Chalupa on the most significant loss being Holy Cross just because they have less opportunities remaining to work their way back into a crucial top-8 seed. Holy Cross currently only has Fordham, who received one 25th place vote, as remaining opponents that are ranked/ORV (a 5-1 Lafayette may work their way into the discussion with a win next week over Princeton, but would likely depend on what else happens the weekends of 10/7 and 10/14). The Bison still have @UND (#16), @SDSU (#1, obviously), vs SIU (#5) and @UNI (#32) so they are still in control of their own destiny as far as getting a bye and home game(s) in the playoffs.

You forgot the biggest one left -- at Army on Veterans weekend.

If Army can get to bowl eligibility, an HC win over them would be massive to inching their way back to a seed.

Funny enough though, I'm not even sure if a seed would be best. Last season, we'd have been better off being unseeded and not having to have gone to Brookings in the quarters. Do we want the eight seed again only to have to go to SDSU for the third time since 2021?

[crusader11]

That's a fair criticism. I struggled to figure out who to put in those last few spots and decided to throw W&M a bone based mainly off of their 4-1 record and last year's solid season. I still didn't like Elon as a top 25 team but I probably should've left W&M out as well in that case. W&M being 9 spots above Elon in the consensus though is just baffling. At least Harvard and South Dakota got relatively close to the teams they beat.

Hand up, I ranked USD, Elon, and Harvard lower than the teams they beat over the weekend. While head to head means a lot when it's relatively early in the season, I'm willing to consider other factors as well. Here's my go at it --

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Furman Paladins
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Holy Cross Crusaders
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Albany Great Danes
14: South Dakota Coyotes
15: Harvard Crimson
16: William & Mary Tribe
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: North Carolina Central Eagles
21: Elon Phoenix
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Rhode Island Rams
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

crusader11

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Furman Paladins
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Albany Great Danes
11: North Carolina Central Eagles
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: North Dakota State Bison
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Eastern Illinois Panthers
20: Holy Cross Crusaders
21: Florida A&M Rattlers
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Eastern Washington Eagles
25: Tarleton Texans

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders

[RabidRabbit]

Couldn't get the most important win to drop down. Definitely goes to Yotes. Enyed the FCS nation broadcast discussion. USD beat Bison in the trenches. Congrats to Harvard and Elon in creating Chaos in the top half of top 25.


Hello Rabidrabbit ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2023 11:52:59

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Furman Paladins
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Albany Great Danes
20: North Carolina Central Eagles
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Harvard Crimson
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Florida A&M Rattlers
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

Rabidrabbit

The Most Significant Win:
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


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[Chalupa Batman]

Overall, I like what y'all have cumulatively put together here. Even as a Big Sky fan, I just can't understand the love for Weber and Montana.

I agree with Chalupa on the most significant loss being Holy Cross just because they have less opportunities remaining to work their way back into a crucial top-8 seed. Holy Cross currently only has Fordham, who received one 25th place vote, as remaining opponents that are ranked/ORV (a 5-1 Lafayette may work their way into the discussion with a win next week over Princeton, but would likely depend on what else happens the weekends of 10/7 and 10/14). The Bison still have @UND (#16), @SDSU (#1, obviously), vs SIU (#5) and @UNI (#32) so they are still in control of their own destiny as far as getting a bye and home game(s) in the playoffs.

This reasoning sounds much better than mine: NDSU dropped 10 spots and HC 11 spots in my poll so HC was most significant!

[MSUBobcat]

You forgot the biggest one left -- at Army on Veterans weekend.

If Army can get to bowl eligibility, an HC win over them would be massive to inching their way back to a seed.

Funny enough though, I'm not even sure if a seed would be best. Last season, we'd have been better off being unseeded and not having to have gone to Brookings in the quarters. Do we want the eight seed again only to have to go to SDSU for the third time since 2021?

Didn't forget. I just never count on a team beating an FBS, unless it's NDSU, since they have a pretty good record against FBS teams. If HC runs the table, including Army, regardless of whether Fordham and Lafayette end up being ranked/quality wins, I would bet HC gets a top 8 seed. A lot would still depend on how the season played out (i.e. Harvard continues to play well and Army not being a 2-win team), but 9-2 with a close FBS loss, a loss to a top-15 Harvard and a win over Army looks like a potential top-8. There's still some cannibalizing to happen among the top 10ish (MSU plays Idaho and Sac, SDSU-NSDU-SIU all still play each other, USD has SDSU, SIU and UND, WCU-Furman) so some of them will not be getting seeds.

Edit: Your point of the #8 seed not being particularly valuable is well-taken. xlolx But... you never know if a team is going to slip up. @SIU, @ USD, vs. NDSU is a gauntlet that will be tough to run through unscathed.

[OhioHen]

Many differences in WHERE I have teams vs. the collective, but 39 of the 40 listed are in my top 40 (that's how deep I typically rank teams for tracking purposes). My 37 is out and the poll's 39 wasn't in my 40.

[WileECoyote06]

Hand up, I ranked USD, Elon, and Harvard lower than the teams they beat over the weekend. While head to head means a lot when it's relatively early in the season, I'm willing to consider other factors as well. Here's my go at it --

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Furman Paladins
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Holy Cross Crusaders
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Albany Great Danes
14: South Dakota Coyotes
15: Harvard Crimson
16: William & Mary Tribe
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: North Carolina Central Eagles
21: Elon Phoenix
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Rhode Island Rams
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

crusader11

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

You're trying to tell me that there are people out there that do this? xdrunkyx /s

Also, I was very tempted to mark UNH as the most significant loss.

[NY Crusader 2010]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-5-top-25-results-5/

I'm disappointed to see the soft landings for NDSU, Holy Cross, and William & Mary as all are above the teams that beat them. It's a little early in the season to discount head-to-head that much. I'm also not sure what UT-Martin keeps doing to move up so much. I know the last couple weeks have been crazy in terms of upsets but they've gone from #23 two weeks ago to #11 this week by beating North Alabama and Tennessee St. I see a good number of teams below them in the consensus that have been more impressive IMO.

As for Harvard and Holy Cross, the "anti-Ivy" bias is pretty prevalent among AGS voters. Case in point, coming into the Holy Cross game, Harvard was #37 on here but #24 in the STATS poll. So that would be a large chasm for the Crimson to make up via the head-to-head as we came in at AGS #4 / STATS #5. I don't totally disagree with you with regard to the "soft landing", and I'm surprised to see HC at 12 as opposed to somewhere in the 16-21 range.

There is absolutely no reason Holy Cross should be ranked higher than Albany for what it's worth. I could say the same about Harvard but it always seems like the Ivies have an artificial glass ceiling both in the AGS poll and the official FCS polls due to the fact that they don't go to the postseason, never play against any of the true FCS blue-bloods, and very rarely face FBS opponents.

[SeattleCat]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Incarnate Word Cardinals
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Furman Paladins
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: North Dakota State Bison
11: Holy Cross Crusaders
12: North Carolina Central Eagles
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: South Dakota Coyotes
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Harvard Crimson
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Elon Phoenix
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Rhode Island Rams

SeattleCat

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota State Bison
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[caribbeanhen]

Your vote is listed below. Caribbeanhen


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Incarnate Word Cardinals
6: Furman Paladins
7: Sac State Hornets
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Western Carolina Catamounts
11: Harvard Crimson
12: Holy Cross Crusaders
13: North Carolina Central Eagles
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Albany Great Danes
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Central Arkansas Bears

[Chalupa Batman]

Voters that are ranking Incarnate Word in the top 5 or so (or any voter for that matter), what are you seeing in them to have them ranked where you do? Not trying to criticize and jump all over you, I'm legitimately curious. Much like PWO said last week, I really don't know how to rank them. I feel there are many other teams that could have the exact same schedule with the exact same results and they would barely sniff the top 25.

[MSUBobcat]

Voters that are ranking Incarnate Word in the top 5 or so (or any voter for that matter), what are you seeing in them to have them ranked where you do? Not trying to criticize and jump all over you, I'm legitimately curious. Much like PWO said last week, I really don't know how to rank them. I feel there are many other teams that could have the exact same schedule with the exact same results and they would barely sniff the top 25.

I mean... Central Arkansas is literally sniffing the top 25 with an eerily similar schedule. Both have a 14pt FBS loss, one to UTEP, the other to Ok. State. Both played a Bishop Sycamore-esque team (North American University and Texas College). Both played ACU, with Word winning by 7 on the road and UCA cruising to a 35pt victory at home. UIW beat up on NoCo by 35 (for extra context NoCo lost by 20 to ACU) while UCA beat an SUU team that is better than its record (3 losses by a combined 7 pts to FBS Arizona State, ranked UC-Davis and sniffing-top-25 UCA along with a 20pt W over MVFC doormat WIU). The big difference is UCA's extra game, getting shellacked by NDSU in Fargo, while LAST YEAR'S UIW only lost by 3 in the semifinals.

UIW 14pt loss to UTEP<UCA 14pt loss to OK State
UIW whooping NoCo=UCA 2pt road win over SUU (this one could edge slightly to UIW, but NoCo<<<SUU, IMO)
UIW 7pt road win over ACU<<<UCA 35pt home beatdown over ACU
UIW vs N. Amer. Univ. and UCA vs. Texas College.... who f'ing cares. This tells nothing.
UIW close loss to NDSU LAST YEAR>UCA getting crushed THIS YEAR

So... looking at this.... UIW and UCA are pretty close in the rankings, I assume? (checks poll... UIW 911pts, UCA 119pts) Guys, the answer is clear... someone's dyslexia transposed UCA's points!

[Preferred Walk-On]

I mean... Central Arkansas is literally sniffing the top 25 with an eerily similar schedule. Both have a 14pt FBS loss, one to UTEP, the other to Ok. State. Both played a Bishop Sycamore-esque team (North American University and Texas College). Both played ACU, with Word winning by 7 on the road and UCA cruising to a 35pt victory at home. UIW beat up on NoCo by 35 (for extra context NoCo lost by 20 to ACU) while UCA beat an SUU team that is better than its record (3 losses by a combined 7 pts to FBS Arizona State, ranked UC-Davis and sniffing-top-25 UCA along with a 20pt W over MVFC doormat WIU). The big difference is UCA's extra game, getting shellacked by NDSU in Fargo, while LAST YEAR'S UIW only lost by 3 in the semifinals.

UIW 14pt loss to UTEP<UCA 14pt loss to OK State
UIW whooping NoCo=UCA 2pt road win over SUU (this one could edge slightly to UIW, but NoCo<<<SUU, IMO)
UIW 7pt road win over ACU<<<UCA 35pt home beatdown over ACU
UIW vs N. Amer. Univ. and UCA vs. Texas College.... who f'ing cares. This tells nothing.
UIW close loss to NDSU LAST YEAR>UCA getting crushed THIS YEAR

So... looking at this.... UIW and UCA are pretty close in the rankings, I assume? (checks poll... UIW 911pts, UCA 119pts) Guys, the answer is clear... someone's dyslexia transposed UCA's points!

I don't have UIW at #5, but I do have them higher than I probably should, especially since I think that UCA is a fringe top 25. Thanks for this analysis. UIW is one of the teams that has definitely benefitted from their end last season and no FCS loss this season.

MSUBobcat, I may have missed this, but are you a voter? Just didn't see any poll posted. Not saying at all that non-voters shouldn't provide input, because they definitely should. Was just curious about your take on this weekend's shifting and where to place previously ORV teams with respect to the teams they beat, as well as how to place those teams that were beaten with respect to one another. I'm going to post my poll shortly (minus the commentary this week), and I'll shut up and listen. ;)

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/2/2023 5:31:09

Your vote is listed below (previous rank in parentheses).

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (1)
2: Montana State Bobcats (2)
3: Idaho Vandals (3)
4: Southern Illinois Salukis (7)
5: Furman Paladins (8)
6: Western Carolina Catamounts (9)
7: Sac State Hornets (5)
8: South Dakota Coyotes (NR)
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals (10)
10: North Dakota State Bison (6)
11: Harvard Crimson (NR)
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (12)
13: Holy Cross Crusaders (4)
14: Eastern Kentucky Colonels (20)
15: Albany Great Danes (NR)
16: North Carolina Central Eagles (16)
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (14)
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks (18)
19: Mercer Bears (19)
20: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (22)
21: Eastern Washington Eagles (23)
22: Florida A&M Rattlers (24)
23: Chattanooga Mocs (25)
24: Elon Phoenix (NR)
25: UC Davis Aggies (NR)

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: William & Mary Tribe
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Preferred Walk-On]

Overall, I like what y'all have cumulatively put together here. Even as a Big Sky fan, I just can't understand the love for Weber and Montana.

I agree with Chalupa on the most significant loss being Holy Cross just because they have less opportunities remaining to work their way back into a crucial top-8 seed. Holy Cross currently only has Fordham, who received one 25th place vote, as remaining opponents that are ranked/ORV (a 5-1 Lafayette may work their way into the discussion with a win next week over Princeton, but would likely depend on what else happens the weekends of 10/7 and 10/14). The Bison still have @UND (#16), @SDSU (#1, obviously), vs SIU (#5) and @UNI (#32) so they are still in control of their own destiny as far as getting a bye and home game(s) in the playoffs.


This reasoning sounds much better than mine: NDSU dropped 10 spots and HC 11 spots in my poll so HC was most significant!

I went with William & Mary, because now they have a similar road to Holy Cross in that they will have a difficult time playing their way back into contention for a seed. They play an FBS (albeit a winless FBS), and their other best remaining opponent is Albany (no Delaware, no Villanova, no New Hampshire, no Rhode Island). While one could look at this and say they could run the table and have a nice little record, if there is any scrutiny of SOS in the CAA conference schedule, they could be a 9-2 or 8-3 team nearing the bubble. Based on last weekend, I am not sure they will even get to 9-2 or 8-3, but who knows?

[FUBeAR]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/2/2023 5:31:09

Your vote is listed below (previous rank in parentheses).

19: Mercer Bears (19)

This is an outrage!

No one at AGS should be allowed to consider Mercer's resume objectively.

The Bears 2 Losses were both blowouts (just ignore the Furman Box Score - a 3 point game with 15:54 to play) to terrible Teams (just ignore their Top 5 FCS and Top 20 FBS Ranking) and each of Mercer's 3 Double-Digit Wins (by an average of ~24 points) was so bad, they should be called Losses.

Get with the program, PWO!

[MSUBobcat]

I don't have UIW at #5, but I do have them higher than I probably should, especially since I think that UCA is a fringe top 25. Thanks for this analysis. UIW is one of the teams that has definitely benefitted from their end last season and no FCS loss this season.

MSUBobcat, I may have missed this, but are you a voter? Just didn't see any poll posted. Not saying at all that non-voters shouldn't provide input, because they definitely should. Was just curious about your take on this weekend's shifting and where to place previously ORV teams with respect to the teams they beat, as well as how to place those teams that were beaten with respect to one another. I'm going to post my poll shortly (minus the commentary this week), and I'll shut up and listen. ;)

After everyone talked last Sunday about how hard it was after about #16, I started a mock poll beginning with the Week 4 poll and I just posted my dart-throwing on that thread (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?340247-AGS-Poll-Results-2023-Wk4/page13)last night, to which C-Hen immediately and ruthlessly tore to shreds xbawlingx Okay, he only questioned my inclusion of FAMU, especially with the lack of NCCU, but I'm very sensitive.

I inquired about starting back up on the poll on a thread yesterday, but don't think I got a response on how to submit it. I have my mock poll for Week 5 at home that I can post later. I feel less good about Week 5 than I did about Week 4, and Week 4 was a ****show. This week I got to maybe 12 before I went.... I dunno where to put these teams in relation to each other. So.... more dart throwing. And C-Hen is going to destroy my last shred of self-confidence over it.

[Preferred Walk-On]

This is an outrage!

No one at AGS should be allowed to consider Mercer's resume objectively.

The Bears 2 Losses were both blowouts (just ignore the Furman Box Score - a 3 point game with 15:54 to play) to terrible Teams (just ignore their Top 5 FCS and Top 20 FBS Ranking) and each of Mercer's 3 Double-Digit Wins (by an average of ~24 points) were so bad, they should be called Losses.

Get with the program, PWO!

Luckily, AGS isn’t wasting a scholarship on me.


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[Puddin Tane]

Voters that are ranking Incarnate Word in the top 5 or so (or any voter for that matter), what are you seeing in them to have them ranked where you do? Not trying to criticize and jump all over you, I'm legitimately curious. Much like PWO said last week, I really don't know how to rank them. I feel there are many other teams that could have the exact same schedule with the exact same results and they would barely sniff the top 25.

well, Im going strictly off last season and their recruits they brought in.

SDSU plays western Oregon and Drake and not a peep.
Mt st has utah tech and stetson

Its an AGS fact that the big sky and mvfc can get away with those schedules, then also beat each other up in conference without suffering the consequences. Any other conference? No chance
(and yes, the Southland is very bad this year)….Im talking year end year out, other fcs conferences are the red headed step children. And, that purple conference has some pretty good ball being played with Tarelton, UCA, fricking sfa, and AP.

Anyways, why am I ranking uiw high? Coming off a good season and they are winning. They will more than likely go undefeated (altho ….if Nicholls gets rolling…theyve had a pretty tuff schedule)

[Puddin Tane]

And while Im on my soapbox……

please explain Weber St?? 2 of their 3 wins over central wash and a come from behind miracle against one of the worst fcs teams, add to that a 40-0 loss. No other team in the nation outside of the bs or mv would even get a vote, much less be ranked

[Puddin Tane]

And full disclosure…i kicked HC completely out. My poll rules: you lose to an ivy or a swac team…you are dead to me !

[Chalupa Batman]

well, Im going strictly off last season and their recruits they brought in.

SDSU plays western Oregon and Drake and not a peep.
Mt st has utah tech and stetson

Its an AGS fact that the big sky and mvfc can get away with those schedules, then also beat each other up in conference without suffering the consequences. Any other conference? No chance
(and yes, the Southland is very bad this year)….Im talking year end year out, other fcs conferences are the red headed step children. And, that purple conference has some pretty good ball being played with Tarelton, UCA, fricking sfa, and AP.

Anyways, why am I ranking uiw high? Coming off a good season and they are winning. They will more than likely go undefeated (altho ….if Nicholls gets rolling…theyve had a pretty tuff schedule)

I'm not trying to bash their schedule. They've played tougher teams in past years and I'm guessing given other teams' open dates it's the best they could do for this year. Evaluating them right now is tough because they've only played 2 FCS games, one good and one so-so. And they were expected to blow out the FBS team they played and they lost by 2 TD's. This years results aren't necessarily bad, but so far those results don't seem as good as last years. I can honestly see them being ranked anywhere from 9 to about 20.

[atthewbon]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Furman Paladins
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: North Dakota State Bison
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Albany Great Danes
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Harvard Crimson
16: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
17: North Carolina Central Eagles
18: Holy Cross Crusaders
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: UC Davis Aggies
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Eastern Illinois Panthers
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Idaho (3)
3. Montana St. (4)
4. Southern Illinois (5)
5. Furman (7)
6. Delaware (8)
7. North Dakota St. (2)
8. Sacramento St. (9)
9. Western Carolina (11)
10. Albany (15)
11. NC Central (13)
12. South Dakota (NR)
13. Incarnate Word (19)
14. Eastern Kentucky (20)
15. Elon (25)
16. Harvard (NR)
17. Holy Cross (6)
18. Florida A&M (21)
19. Eastern Washington (17)
20. North Dakota (10)
21. Tennessee-Martin (23)
22. Austin Peay (24)
23. William & Mary (12)
24. Villanova (16)
25. Tennessee-Chattanooga (NR)

Dropped - Youngstown St. (14), New Hampshire (18), Fordham (22)


W - South Dakota
L - Holy Cross

[caribbeanhen]

Flame away everyone. And yes caribbeanhen I do have Harvard ranked.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Furman Paladins
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Western Carolina Catamounts
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: North Dakota State Bison
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Austin Peay Governors
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Florida A&M Rattlers
21: Elon Phoenix
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: North Carolina Central Eagles
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Mercer Bears

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders

Harvard ranked…. Nice but it would be hard not too. Harvard wins Patriot league title and would be serious threat to win CAA. Harvard will now slowly drop in poll as they commence the no playoffs schedule

I’ve had an eye on Austin Peay and I ranked them last week by the way

Still really don’t understand why Florida A&M is ranked, who have they ever beat and why are they over NC Central? The MEAC champs beat Jackson St how many times? MEAC champ > SWAC champ … that comment is for everyone not directed at you


EKU too high is a comment directed at you

- - - Updated - - -


And full disclosure…i kicked HC completely out. My poll rules: you lose to an ivy or a swac team…you are dead to me !

bad boy

[NY Crusader 2010]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Furman Paladins
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: North Dakota State Bison
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Albany Great Danes
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Harvard Crimson
16: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
17: North Carolina Central Eagles
18: Holy Cross Crusaders
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: UC Davis Aggies
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Eastern Illinois Panthers
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

If I voted on a regular basis, my poll probably would've looked a lot like this. WCU and Albany definitely deserve some respect!

[Puddin Tane]

I'm not trying to bash their schedule. They've played tougher teams in past years and I'm guessing given other teams' open dates it's the best they could do for this year. Evaluating them right now is tough because they've only played 2 FCS games, one good and one so-so. And they were expected to blow out the FBS team they played and they lost by 2 TD's. This years results aren't necessarily bad, but so far those results don't seem as good as last years. I can honestly see them being ranked anywhere from 9 to about 20.

naw, they were a 7 point underdog vs utep

i honestly dunno how good they are. But i dont think we really know how good anybody is right now. I have seen Idaho and South Dakota. Idaho was impressive.

[NY Crusader 2010]

And full disclosure…i kicked HC completely out. My poll rules: you lose to an ivy or a swac team…you are dead to me !

Everyone has their biases, I guess.

Has a team that advanced deep into the playoffs ever lost to a SWAC team during the regular season?

And I imagine the year that Maine made it to the FCS semis (2018 or '19) but also lost to Yale (4th place in the Ivy) during the regular season, you left them out of your poll completely despite the postseason run? Just wondering what Holy Cross would have to do to get back on board with you. Is it a 1 week penalty, or an Ivy loss means you're done for the season kind of rule?

[MSUBobcat]

My 2nd unofficial attempt at putting chaos in some kind of logical order. Call it a case study for the "start voting in preseason vs. wait til week 4 to start voting" depending on if you agree or disagree. xlolx It has been a couple difficult weeks. As such, you'll note some drastic swings from last week.

1. SDSU (1)
2. MSU (3)
3. Idaho (5)
4. SIU (8)
5. Furman (6)
6. Sac St. (7)
7. WCU (11)
8. Delaware (12)
9. UIW (10)
10. UT-M (15)
11. SoDak (NR)
12. NDSU (2)
13. Albany (16)
14. Harvard (NR)
15. Holy Cross (4)
16. UND (13)
17. Davis (25)
18. W&M (9)
19. Chatty (23)
20. UCA (24)
21. APSU (21)
22. EWU (22)
23. Elon (NR)
24. NCCU (NR)
25. FAMU (20)

Dropped - UNH (14), YSU (17), Nova (18), Fordham (19)

W - South Dakota
L - Holy Cross

[Puddin Tane]

Everyone has their biases, I guess.

Has a team that advanced deep into the playoffs ever lost to a SWAC team during the regular season?

And I imagine the year that Maine made it to the FCS semis (2018 or '19) but also lost to Yale (4th place in the Ivy) during the regular season, you left them out of your poll completely despite the postseason run? Just wondering what Holy Cross would have to do to get back on board with you. Is it a 1 week penalty, or an Ivy loss means you're done for the season kind of rule?

Usually it would be 1 and done..altho this is the first year of said rule, still working out the kinks

was it over reaction on my part..possibly, pissed me off. I like HC. Im in the Gordie Lockbaum Fan Club-Southeast Texas Chapter

they gotta hang at least 50 on bucknell

[caribbeanhen]

My 2nd unofficial attempt at putting chaos in some kind of logical order. Call it a case study for the "start voting in preseason vs. wait til week 4 to start voting" depending on if you agree or disagree. xlolx It has been a couple difficult weeks. As such, you'll note some drastic swings from last week.

1. SDSU (1)
2. MSU (3)
3. Idaho (5)
4. SIU (8)
5. Furman (6)
6. Sac St. (7)
7. WCU (11)
8. Delaware (12)
9. UIW (10)
10. UT-M (15)
11. SoDak (NR)
12. NDSU (2)
13. Albany (16)
14. Harvard (NR)
15. Holy Cross (4)
16. UND (13)
17. Davis (25)
18. W&M (9)
19. Chatty (23)
20. UCA (24)
21. APSU (21)
22. EWU (22)
23. Elon (NR)
24. NCCU (NR)
25. FAMU (20)

Dropped - UNH (14), YSU (17), Nova (18), Fordham (19)

W - South Dakota
L - Holy Cross

Boom

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I was pretty equitable when it came to dinging NDSU, Holy Cross, W&M and YSU. I dropped NDSU from #2 to #15, Holy Cross from #4 to #20, W&M from #9 to #22, Youngstown State from #12 to UR..

NDSU - has plenty of opportunities to move their way up into the top 4. If not, they'll continue to drop. I'll hedge my bets and say they end up in 5-10 with 2 or 3 losses....
Holy Cross - I have not been overly impressed with the Crusaders relative to their expectations but I kept them in the top 5 because I believe in Chesney. They have 3 solid to good games with Army, Fordham and Lafayette left. Fordham is still good; losing in befuddling ways is their trademark under Conlin. That will be a battle in the Bronx. Lafayette has dudes. They legitimately hung with a tough as nails Duke team before the refs just started making stuff up which stole their soul. This is the best 'Pards teams in 14 years. If they win at Princeton I'll likely have them in the 20-25 range next week.
W&M - They were flaky from the start which is why they were trending towards the tail-end of my Top 10. I see two, maybe 3 more losses for the Tribe....
YSU - Showed no defense against UNI after hanging tough with Ohio State all things considered. Beat SIU and they'll just jump nearly as far as they fell...

After a fairly quiet September my poll definitely needed to be re-calibrated. I expect probably two more weeks where things get a little chaotic. The ebbs and flows of the season suggest 2-3 losses is to be expected from "most". Someone is due to go on a run that is unseen right now while someone else will be the next SELA....

[MSUBobcat]

Boom

That was just for you, C-Hen. The last 4 are kinda soft. Or maybe the last 8. Who knows...

[NY Crusader 2010]

Usually it would be 1 and done..altho this is the first year of said rule, still working out the kinks

was it over reaction on my part..possibly, pissed me off. I like HC. Im in the Gordie Lockbaum Fan Club-Southeast Texas Chapter

they gotta hang at least 50 on bucknell

I only vote in the final poll each year, just because I don't have the time to research all the Top 40-ish FCS teams every week. Between all the pick'em's and fantasy football, it's too much. But I guess I'll keep one "rule" for my one and only poll of 2023 (really January 2024) -- if Holy Cross somehow wins the national championship and Harvard finishes 10-0, I will rank Harvard #1 and Holy Cross #2. That's my pledge.

[dewey]

Here is my top 25. Provide feedback as needed.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2023 20:59:17

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Furman Paladins
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Sac State Hornets
10: North Dakota State Bison
11: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12: Harvard Crimson
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Albany Great Danes
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: William & Mary Tribe
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Holy Cross Crusaders
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Tarleton Texans

dewey

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota State Bison
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[SpreadTheWord]

Hello SpreadTheWord,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/2/2023 7:51:41

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Furman Paladins
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: North Dakota State Bison
11: Sac State Hornets
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Harvard Crimson
15: Albany Great Danes
16: North Carolina Central Eagles
17: Holy Cross Crusaders
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: Florida A&M Rattlers
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
23: UC Davis Aggies
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Elon Phoenix

SpreadTheWord

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: William & Mary Tribe
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

[McCowboys]

naw, they were a 7 point underdog vs utep

i honestly dunno how good they are. But i dont think we really know how good anybody is right now. I have seen Idaho and South Dakota. Idaho was impressive.

UTEP had also played a game the week before, while UIW was playing its first game with a new head coach and an almost totally rebuilt team.

[caribbeanhen]

I was pretty equitable when it came to dinging NDSU, Holy Cross, W&M and YSU. I dropped NDSU from #2 to #15, Holy Cross from #4 to #20, W&M from #9 to #22, Youngstown State from #12 to UR..

NDSU - has plenty of opportunities to move their way up into the top 4. If not, they'll continue to drop. I'll hedge my bets and say they end up in 5-10 with 2 or 3 losses....
Holy Cross - I have not been overly impressed with the Crusaders relative to their expectations but I kept them in the top 5 because I believe in Chesney. They have 3 solid to good games with Army, Fordham and Lafayette left. Fordham is still good; losing in befuddling ways is their trademark under Conlin. That will be a battle in the Bronx. Lafayette has dudes. They legitimately hung with a tough as nails Duke team before the refs just started making stuff up which stole their soul. This is the best 'Pards teams in 14 years. If they win at Princeton I'll likely have them in the 20-25 range next week.
W&M - They were flaky from the start which is why they were trending towards the tail-end of my Top 10. I see two, maybe 3 more losses for the Tribe....
YSU - Showed no defense against UNI after hanging tough with Ohio State all things considered. Beat SIU and they'll just jump nearly as far as they fell...

After a fairly quiet September my poll definitely needed to be re-calibrated. I expect probably two more weeks where things get a little chaotic. The ebbs and flows of the season suggest 2-3 losses is to be expected from "most". Someone is due to go on a run that is unseen right now while someone else will be the next SELA....

Everybody was waiting for an opportunity to punish William & Mary and they got it, but I keep remembering how much trouble Delaware has playing at Elon and how good the W&M defense is…. I don’t see them losing 2 or 3 more games even without Yoder

Who do you think they are losing to?

[Gil Dobie]

I was pretty equitable when it came to dinging NDSU, Holy Cross, W&M and YSU. I dropped NDSU from #2 to #15, Holy Cross from #4 to #20, W&M from #9 to #22, Youngstown State from #12 to UR..

NDSU - has plenty of opportunities to move their way up into the top 4. If not, they'll continue to drop. I'll hedge my bets and say they end up in 5-10 with 2 or 3 losses....
Holy Cross - I have not been overly impressed with the Crusaders relative to their expectations but I kept them in the top 5 because I believe in Chesney. They have 3 solid to good games with Army, Fordham and Lafayette left. Fordham is still good; losing in befuddling ways is their trademark under Conlin. That will be a battle in the Bronx. Lafayette has dudes. They legitimately hung with a tough as nails Duke team before the refs just started making stuff up which stole their soul. This is the best 'Pards teams in 14 years. If they win at Princeton I'll likely have them in the 20-25 range next week.
W&M - They were flaky from the start which is why they were trending towards the tail-end of my Top 10. I see two, maybe 3 more losses for the Tribe....
YSU - Showed no defense against UNI after hanging tough with Ohio State all things considered. Beat SIU and they'll just jump nearly as far as they fell...

After a fairly quiet September my poll definitely needed to be re-calibrated. I expect probably two more weeks where things get a little chaotic. The ebbs and flows of the season suggest 2-3 losses is to be expected from "most". Someone is due to go on a run that is unseen right now while someone else will be the next SELA....

The next 2 weeks on the road will tell us more about NDSU. I originally had them at 8. Now around 15.

[FUBeAR]

Everybody was waiting for an opportunity to punish William & Mary and they got it, but I keep remembering how much trouble Delaware has playing at Elon and how good the W&M defense is…. I don’t see them losing 2 or 3 more games even without Yoder

Who do you think they are losing to?
You spelled “properly assess” wrong.

[caribbeanhen]

You spelled “properly assess” wrong.

and you didn’t read the comments about dropping them completely out of the poll… didn’t I read that on here? Losing 2 or 3 more games? Does Virginia count as one?

I knew they weren’t right when they didn’t pound Wofford by even more and had to settle for FGs on several drives, but in todays FCS with that Defense, there probably getting punished more so than properly assessed

[clenz]

YSU - Showed no defense against UNI after hanging tough with Ohio State all things considered. Beat SIU and they'll just jump nearly as far as they fell...
I know the running joke for years is UNI has the worst offense in the FCS but this isn't the same old UNI and hasn't been for 2 seasons now. Averaging over 400 yards per game.

Yes, only 9 scored agaisnt Iowa State but 2 TOs inside the redzone in that game took 14 off the board. Still outgained Iowa State on the day

17 points against WSU but it turns out turning the ball over 6 times will limit point total. Averaged close to 6 yards per play on offense

530 yards against Idaho State and called the dogs off at half

Theo is over 300 yards per game passing - let's not act like YSU gave up a ton of yards and was embarassed by a dog **** offense.

[Puddin Tane]

I was pretty equitable when it came to dinging NDSU, Holy Cross, W&M and YSU. I dropped NDSU from #2 to #15, Holy Cross from #4 to #20, W&M from #9 to #22, Youngstown State from #12 to UR..

NDSU - has plenty of opportunities to move their way up into the top 4. If not, they'll continue to drop. I'll hedge my bets and say they end up in 5-10 with 2 or 3 losses....
Holy Cross - I have not been overly impressed with the Crusaders relative to their expectations but I kept them in the top 5 because I believe in Chesney. They have 3 solid to good games with Army, Fordham and Lafayette left. Fordham is still good; losing in befuddling ways is their trademark under Conlin. That will be a battle in the Bronx. Lafayette has dudes. They legitimately hung with a tough as nails Duke team before the refs just started making stuff up which stole their soul. This is the best 'Pards teams in 14 years. If they win at Princeton I'll likely have them in the 20-25 range next week.
W&M - They were flaky from the start which is why they were trending towards the tail-end of my Top 10. I see two, maybe 3 more losses for the Tribe....
YSU - Showed no defense against UNI after hanging tough with Ohio State all things considered. Beat SIU and they'll just jump nearly as far as they fell...

After a fairly quiet September my poll definitely needed to be re-calibrated. I expect probably two more weeks where things get a little chaotic. The ebbs and flows of the season suggest 2-3 losses is to be expected from "most". Someone is due to go on a run that is unseen right now while someone else will be the next SELA....

id keep an eye on Nicholls, ruff start with tuff schedule

[MR. CHICKEN]

.....FOUR WINLESS TEAMS.....AN' INCARNATE...OWN-LAH ONE......WHIFF WINNIN' RECORD.....5 WEEKS IN...........AWQ!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Everybody was waiting for an opportunity to punish William & Mary and they got it, but I keep remembering how much trouble Delaware has playing at Elon and how good the W&M defense is…. I don’t see them losing 2 or 3 more games even without Yoder

Who do you think they are losing to?


I'll be surprised if W&M does better than 2-2 in their next 4 (@ Virginia, Towson, Monmouth, @ Albany). After Hampton, they conclude the season with a big time rivalry game against Richmond.

[grizband]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Furman Paladins
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: North Carolina Central Eagles
16: Eastern Illinois Panthers
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Holy Cross Crusaders
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Mercer Bears
25: Florida A&M Rattlers

grizband

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota State Bison
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I know the running joke for years is UNI has the worst offense in the FCS but this isn't the same old UNI and hasn't been for 2 seasons now. Averaging over 400 yards per game.

Yes, only 9 scored agaisnt Iowa State but 2 TOs inside the redzone in that game took 14 off the board. Still outgained Iowa State on the day

17 points against WSU but it turns out turning the ball over 6 times will limit point total. Averaged close to 6 yards per play on offense

530 yards against Idaho State and called the dogs off at half

Theo is over 300 yards per game passing - let's not act like YSU gave up a ton of yards and was embarassed by a dog **** offense.

I was banking on the 'Guins defense being a top-tier FCS unit this year capable of shutting down quality offenses in the MVFC. That is why I prefaced the comment with YSU's performance against Ohio State.

[caribbeanhen]

I'll be surprised if W&M does better than 2-2 in their next 4 (@ Virginia, Towson, Monmouth, @ Albany). After Hampton, they conclude the season with a big time rivalry game against Richmond.

let’s check back on this

[caribbeanhen]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Idaho (3)
3. Montana St. (4)
4. Southern Illinois (5)
5. Furman (7)
6. Delaware (8)
7. North Dakota St. (2)
8. Sacramento St. (9)
9. Western Carolina (11)
10. Albany (15)
11. NC Central (13)
12. South Dakota (NR)
13. Incarnate Word (19)
14. Eastern Kentucky (20)
15. Elon (25)
16. Harvard (NR)
17. Holy Cross (6)
18. Florida A&M (21)
19. Eastern Washington (17)
20. North Dakota (10)
21. Tennessee-Martin (23)
22. Austin Peay (24)
23. William & Mary (12)
24. Villanova (16)
25. Tennessee-Chattanooga (NR)

Dropped - Youngstown St. (14), New Hampshire (18), Fordham (22)


W - South Dakota
L - Holy Cross

Like this poll

Must say as a Delaware fan I'm not convinced the Hens are 6 just yet, but things are moving the right way for sure

Beat a just horrible Stony Brook team and St Francis was not much better
UNH was a big win, but some of the luster of that win has come off seeing Towson expose the UNH D

[mvemjsunpx]

Like this poll

Must say as a Delaware fan I'm not convinced the Hens are 6 just yet, but things are moving the right way for sure

Beat a just horrible Stony Brook team and St Francis was not much better
UNH was a big win, but some of the luster of that win has come off seeing Towson expose the UNH D

Having a bye was very advantageous this past week.

[kdinva]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Idaho Vandals
4: Furman Paladins
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Holy Cross Crusaders
12: William & Mary Tribe
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: North Carolina Central Eagles
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Eastern Illinois Panthers
25: Florida A&M Rattlers


The Most Significant Win: Albany Great Danes
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats

[Tribe4SF]

Everybody was waiting for an opportunity to punish William & Mary and they got it, but I keep remembering how much trouble Delaware has playing at Elon and how good the W&M defense is…. I don’t see them losing 2 or 3 more games even without Yoder

Who do you think they are losing to?

Yoder's absence was not the problem at Elon. W&M rushed for 307 yards. The guy we needed to step up was Martin Lucas and he did gaining 95 yards on 13 carries. In the end the issues were lack of passing offense and turnovers. We missed WRs DreSean Kendrick and Hollis Mathis who were both out. We'll need to find a better passing game or the season is a question mark. Even with a terrific defense if teams only need 14 points to beat us it could be a tough road.

[caribbeanhen]

Yoder's absence was not the problem at Elon. W&M rushed for 307 yards. The guy we needed to step up was Martin Lucas and he did gaining 95 yards on 13 carries. In the end the issues were lack of passing offense and turnovers. We missed WRs DreSean Kendrick and Hollis Mathis who were both out. We'll need to find a better passing game or the season is a question mark. Even with a terrific defense if teams only need 14 points to beat us it could be a tough road.

and I would just add to this I didn’t see an answer from Lehigh TU on the 3 games you would be losing

Virginia likely one but after that…