Selection Sunday 2022

[Professor Chaos]

Selection show starts in less than 10 minutes on ESPNU (hopefully - appears this Murray St/Tulsa basketball game might go long).

Let's react to the underrated teams who were snubbed and the overrated teams who were fluffed up by the Selection Committee... and of course I'm sure the reaction to the bracket itself will have a complaint or two. ;)

[MR. CHICKEN]

FLORIDA A&M xnodx

[uofmman1122]

Not confident Montana will make the tournament, but excited to see the meltdown here if we do. :D

[FUBeAR]

FLORIDA A&M xnodx
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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Florida A&M is not getting in IMO....

[katss07]

Samford is not the one, nor the two seed.

What a scam!

[TheKingpin28]

Ndsu as a 3???

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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Wow, NDSU the #3 seed over Montana State....

[uofmman1122]

NDSU #3!?!?!?!

WOW

[TheKingpin28]

Damn, NDSU got lucky. When I saw SDSU at 1, I honestly thought the committee wanted to ensure both conferences could not send both teams.

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

NDSU #3.....nice!!

[Professor Chaos]

Wow... MVFC getting a huge benefit of the doubt.... NDSU especially.

Good news for UND and YSU I think.

[UNHWildcat18]

Wow poor Sac State……. 11-0 FBS win they didn’t get the 1 seed……apparently FBS games don’t mean ****.

[taper]

Conference pairs in the top 4 are on opposite sides! I'm very happy to have been wrong on that prediction.

[TheKingpin28]

Samford at 6.

Man, Sac St getting potentially screwed having to go up against UIW if both teams make the quarters and setting NDSU for a chance at hosting if they get through.

I will say this, the seeds are balanced IMO, but I think that the 2/3 side is slightly tougher, which is how it should be.

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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I would have much rather HC travel to Sac State as the #7 seed.

[CopperCat]

Sac should have been 1, MSU 3.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Wow poor Sac State……. 11-0 FBS win they didn’t get the 1 seed……apparently FBS games don’t mean ****.


#1 or #2 doesn't matter. Potential 3 home games for both.

[TheKingpin28]

#1 or #2 doesn't matter. Potential 3 home games for both.Getting UIW vs HC is a tough pill to swallow, pending they make it through considering they were the better team IMO.

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[crusader11]

I would have much rather HC travel to Sac State as the #7 seed.

Ugh, you and me both.

HC doesn't have the horses to beat SDSU, but think we'd have a puncher's chance against Sac St.

[Chalupa Batman]

Conference pairs in the top 4 are on opposite sides! I'm very happy to have been wrong on that prediction.

I think 1/2 and 3/4 should've both been flipped around, but also like that it's not setting up to conference pairings in the semis.

[MR. CHICKEN]

JAY....DROPPED DUH "D" BOMB.....EARLY ON....DIVERSITY...............JES' SAYIN'......xwhistlex...........BRAWK!

[JacksFan40]

Wow poor Sac State……. 11-0 FBS win they didn’t get the 1 seed……apparently FBS games don’t mean ****.
Beating bad FBS teams isn’t impressive, but yeah I’d of out Sac State ahead of SDSU due to them being unbeaten in a tough conference.

[TheKingpin28]

Beating bad FBS teams isn’t impressive, but yeah I’d of out Sac State ahead of SDSU due to them being unbeaten in a tough conference.They crushed UNI at UNI and SDSU needed stupidity on UNIs part to win.

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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

St. Francis will smoke Delaware!

[uofmman1122]

Delaware in means Montana is out.

[TheKingpin28]

Uh oh, Montana might be out with Delaware in. Chatty I think is out now as well as YSU

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[UNHWildcat18]

UD is in LOL Jesus, didn’t see that coming

[TheKingpin28]

With Fordham in, Montana would be hard pressed to make it in.

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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Go Rams! I want a HC vs Fordham rematch...

[Professor Chaos]

That Navy win paid dividends for Delaware.

Fordham in as well. Bubble teams have to be getting nervous.

[MR. CHICKEN]

UD xhypedx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

IMO...UND is in potentially playing MSU in 2nd roundd.....

[TheKingpin28]

HC just got shafted IMO.

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[WileECoyote06]

Congrats Hens. Didn't see that at all.

[TheKingpin28]

Asking the conspiracy question, but it UD a and Montana get in, are we allowed to ask about the NCAA/Committee taking into account the teams that will bring fans versus not?

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[TheKingpin28]

Joose is loose!!!

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[TheKingpin28]

I'd have to believe Idaho might be the last in now?

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[UNHWildcat18]

Did EKU get an auto bid or something really confused how they are in…

[katss07]

Was that a Joose can in Stig’s office??

[Professor Chaos]

Idaho, Mercer, Montana, and Chatty have to be sweating pretty good at this point. Three of the give playoff bids in question have been taken so only two of them (at most) are going to make it.

[katss07]

Did EKU get an auto bid or something really confused how they are in…
EKU won the ASUN/WAC AQ.

[Green Cookie Monster]

Wow poor Sac State……. 11-0 FBS win they didn’t get the 1 seed……apparently FBS games don’t mean ****.

Pure BS. Had 23,073 for the game yesterday, so it’s not SDSU put a better bid out.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Montana is in.......pfft!!

xrolleyesx

[uofmman1122]

OH MY GOD!!!! YES!!!!

[crusader11]

What an absolute joke that Montana is in the field.

[MR. CHICKEN]

MONTANA/DELAWARE...SELL SEATS..........BRAWK!

[TheKingpin28]

Man, if Idaho gets screwed, I'd be pissed if I was them.

NDSU gets a tough 2nd round game.

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[Chalupa Batman]

Pure BS. Had 23,073 for the game yesterday, so it’s not SDSU put a better bid out.

Bids don't matter for the seeded teams

[UNHWildcat18]

EKU won the ASUN/WAC AQ.

AH I see

[Professor Chaos]

Montana/SEMO on national TV... that's pretty cool.

Idaho in also.

That means Mercer, Chatty, UC Davis, URI, UTM, YSU, FAMU all out.

[crusader11]

Are they really putting Montana and Idaho in and leaving UC Davis out....oh my.

[TheKingpin28]

Back to the conspiracy question.

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[WileECoyote06]

yeah, I can't rock with Montana being included this year.

Also, did they just ignore the geography this year? *confused*

[katss07]

Idaho’s last three playoff games have taken place in Louisiana.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Montana and Delaware in because of $$. Without question financial contributions are part of the decision making process.

[TheKingpin28]

Man, the right side of the bracket got some tough draws, but damn, not one 2nd round game is a shoe in for a victory.

Could easily be some upsets that round.

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[The Yo Show]

Back to the conspiracy question.

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Wow... Yeah I mean the committee got that completely wrong

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Back to the conspiracy question.

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Not a conspiracy. Fact....

[Chalupa Batman]

This years bracket is just......woof

[TheKingpin28]

Montana and Delaware in because of $$. Without question financial contributions are part of the decision making process.They tell us it's not, but NDSU doesnt get a 3 seed, UD/UM both get in, etc...

NDSU has a chance to host again in the semifinals if they get lucky.

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[WileECoyote06]

Are they really putting Montana and Idaho in and leaving UC Davis out....oh my.

That's wack. The lesson here is don't schedule SDSU for non-conference.

Both Mercer and Chattanooga out. . ..

I can't wait to see the SRS if they publish it. If most rating services says that the SoCon, Big Sky, and MVFC was stronger than the CAA this year; how do they get five bids?

wow. .

[TheKingpin28]

Wow... Yeah I mean the committee got that completely wrongLosing to Missery St, cost the season, but the bracket, teams that made it, is hard to argue against BUT, both UD/UM making it leave some questions to be answered.

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[katss07]

SoCon’s best year in a decade and they have the same number of bids as the Patriot OUCH

[cmt]

That's wack. The lesson here is don't schedule SDSU for non-conference.

Both Mercer and Chattanooga out. . ..

I can't wait to see the SRS if they publish it. If most rating services says that the SoCon, Big Sky, and MVFC was stronger than the CAA this year; how do they get five bids?

wow. .

Yep. Schedule crap teams to boost your record and benefit!

[TheKingpin28]

That's wack. The lesson here is don't schedule SDSU for non-conference.

Both Mercer and Chattanooga out. . ..

I can't wait to see the SRS if they publish it. If most rating services says that the SoCon, Big Sky, and MVFC was stronger than the CAA this year; how do they get five bids?

wow. .Mercer had 6 D1 wins, that crushed them. Had they beat Samford, they 100% get in, but not getting 7 D1 wins hurts.

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[Professor Chaos]

I thought #1 and #2 should be switched and #3 and #4 should be switched but it doesn't make a difference if all 4 make the semis since it would be the same matchups with the same teams at home regardless.

[TheKingpin28]

Yep. Schedule crap teams to boost your record and benefit!That's been the case since the field went to 24.

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[lionsrking2]

Losing to Missery St, cost the season, but the bracket, teams that made it, is hard to argue against BUT, both UD/UM making it leave some questions to be answered.

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I agree with Delaware getting in. Montana, not so much based on what they did on the field, but in reality they are one of the top 24 teams.

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Overall, pretty good job by the committee. It was tough year to split the bubble hairs.

[Chalupa Batman]

Mercer had 6 D1 wins, that crushed them. Had they beat Samford, they 100% get in, but not getting 7 D1 wins hurts.

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Mercer has 7 D1 wins and basically the same resume as Montana. Montana got boatraces on the road by the 4 seed and Mercer took the 6 seed to double OT

[TheKingpin28]

I agree with Delaware getting in. Montana, not so much based on what they did on the field, but in reality they are one of the top 24 teams.All teams on the bubble shot themselves in the foot and anyone saying money didnt factor in the decision, is wrong IMO.

Had Mercer, Chatty, or UTM (coin toss) won, they would be in.

Mercer: They did have 7 D1 wins, but losing to Chatty, Furman, and Samford hurts since Chatty gets in before them.
Chatty: Losing to WCU the day before selection sunday is a sour taste
UTM: See coin toss

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[WileECoyote06]

I agree with Delaware getting in. Montana, not so much based on what they did on the field, but in reality they are one of the top 24 teams.

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Overall, pretty good job by the committee. It was tough year to split the bubble hairs.

At least Delaware had an FBS win and a win over a playoff caliber team to its credit.

[TheKingpin28]

Mercer has 7 D1 wins and basically the same resume as Montana. Montana got boatraces on the road by the 4 seed and Mercer took the 6 seed to double OTMercer does have 7. My brain for some reason ignored Morehead St.

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[TJT]

Delaware lost three of their last four games and was just 4-4 in CAA league play tied for sixth place. UD did not beat a single team that made the field going 0-3. The Blue Hens did not deserve a bid.

[UNHWildcat18]

I am shocked Florida A&M didn’t get a bid after all that stuff from a few days ago, thought they would have sent Montana or UD home for sure. Also yeah UD did not deserve a bid after the second half of their season unfolded.

[ysubigred]

Montana/SEMO on national TV... that's pretty cool.

Idaho in also.

That means Mercer, Chatty, UC Davis, URI, UTM, YSU, FAMU all out.Not too heartbroken.. I was hoping YSU might get the nod as being part of the old gaurd. Seems Montana got it. UD beating Navy was $$.

YSU can't blame anyone but themselves.. like to have do overs in 3 games. KY, UND and Mo St. Not knowing any different outcome but YSU left a combined 86 points on the field not being able to finish.

Good luck to the field.

I'm going on record Bizon #10!

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[TheKingpin28]

So the committee chair is saying UD was safe, so either Navy is amazing or Colorado State is garbage. Both teams are bad but Sac St got shafted.


Of course Jay Walker doesnt like FAMU being left out...

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[TheKingpin28]

Getting trounced by Jackson State is your reason why Jay Walker. 59-3

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[uofmman1122]

Every conference that wants one has an autobid. What is this guy talking about?

[crusader11]

Jay Walker realllllly hammering home "inclusion" today. Makes me chuckle.

[TheKingpin28]

Or maybe pull out of the Celebration Bowl. Jay trying to throw shade by not including "certain conferences" and the Chairman is trying to tell him off. Good for him!

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[TheKingpin28]

Every conference that wants one has an autobid. What is this guy talking about?He's trying to play race but knows he cant since that would create massive problems going forward. Good for the Chairman telling him to **** off, without telling him to **** off.

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[BisonFan02]

Maybe if HBCU teams had any remote recent history of ever winning a FCS postseason game, the committee would be willing to take them as an at large selection. Otherwise, they would be a 1 and done autobid league....which they don't want to do in the first place.

[UNHWildcat18]

Classic Jay, trying to expand and include everyone…. Good answers by the chairman

[kdinva]

FLORIDA A&M xnodx

Jay Walker had the meltdown, not surprised.

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Wow, NDSU the #3 seed over Montana State....

politics

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Jay Walker realllllly hammering home "inclusion" today. Makes me chuckle.


This here!

[MR. CHICKEN]

Delaware lost three of their last four games and was just 4-4 in CAA league play tied for sixth place. UD did not beat a single team that made the field going 0-3. The Blue Hens did not deserve a bid.

.....CLOSE LOSSES TA WM & MARY/RICHMOND 'NOVA.......ELON OWN-LAH STINKER....& WE SUNK DUH NAVY........BRAWK!

[kdinva]

JAY....DROPPED DUH "D" BOMB.....EARLY ON....DIVERSITY...............JES' SAYIN'......xwhistlex...........BRAWK!

+1

[TJT]

.....CLOSE LOSSES TA WM & MARY/RICHMOND 'NOVA.......ELON OWN-LAH STINKER.......BRAWK!

Thanks for confirming they don't belong. Could not beat a single playoff team. Played poorly to close out the year. Just 4-4 tied for sixth place in the CAA.

[kdinva]

That's been the case since the field went to 24.

agree

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

If Montana can beat SEMO, it will be awesome watching the Bison beat them down in the playoffs.....again!!!

xnodx

[BlueGoldAg]

Montana getting in over UC Davis is a biased travesty: Idaho beats Montana, the Aggies beat Idaho and Montana gets destroyed by Montana State yesterday plus they played a much weaker schedule. Obviously, history and name recognition means much more to the committee than SOS and competitiveness against top competition.

[kdinva]

Montana getting in over UC Davis is a biased travesty: Idaho beats Montana, the Aggies beat Idaho and Montana gets destroyed by Montana State yesterday plus they played a much weaker schedule. Obviously, history and name recognition means much more to the committee than SOS and competitiveness against top competition.

this....

[The Kicker]

Maybe if HBCU teams had any remote recent history of ever winning a FCS postseason game, the committee would be willing to take them as an at large selection. Otherwise, they would be a 1 and done autobid league....which they don't want to do in the first place.

As of week 11 MEAC 5-15 vs FCS, SWAC 7-8 vs FCS. CAA 21-5 vs FCS but yet we hear him cry your 5th best team should not be in all conferences are equal BS

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Montana getting in over UC Davis is a biased travesty: Idaho beats Montana, the Aggies beat Idaho and Montana gets destroyed by Montana State yesterday plus they played a much weaker schedule. Obviously, history and name recognition means much more to the committee than SOS and competitiveness against top competition.


Montana should not be in but neither should Davis. Win 1 more game.....pretty easy.

[kdinva]

He's trying to play race but knows he cant since that would create massive problems going forward. Good for the Chairman telling him to **** off, without telling him to **** off.

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xnodxxnodx

[BisonFan02]

As of week 11 MEAC 5-15 vs FCS, SWAC 7-8 vs FCS. CAA 21-5 vs FCS but yet we hear him cry your 5th best team should not be in all conferences are equal BS

Yeah....and look at who those wins were against.

[uofmman1122]

Montana is in.......pfft!!

xrolleyesx


What an absolute joke that Montana is in the field.


yeah, I can't rock with Montana being included this year.


Montana and Delaware in because of $$. Without question financial contributions are part of the decision making process.


Montana getting in over UC Davis is a biased travesty: Idaho beats Montana, the Aggies beat Idaho and Montana gets destroyed by Montana State yesterday plus they played a much weaker schedule. Obviously, history and name recognition means much more to the committee than SOS and competitiveness against top competition.
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xlolx

[BeamMeUp]

Pete is one pissed off Penguin!
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[MR. CHICKEN]

Thanks for confirming they don't belong. Could not beat a single playoff team. Played poorly to close out the year. Just 4-4 tied for sixth place in the CAA.


OWN-LAH CONFIRMIN' WE'RE IN......WHAA NOT POST YER TEAM?............OR YOUSE JES' JUMPIN' BONES.......BRAWK!

[lionsrking2]

At least Delaware had an FBS win and a win over a playoff caliber team to its credit.

That's why I thought they should have gotten in over some others. Everybody on the bubble had warts.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

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xlolx



If the Griz can get by SEMO, let's see if the Griz can defend A gap power.....xnodx

[TheKingpin28]

Pete is one pissed off Penguin!
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[uofmman1122]

If the Griz can get by SEMO, let's see if the Griz can defend A gap power.....xnodx
We'll likely get killed, but at least we have a chance! xnodx

[WrenFGun]

Think it's pretty clear. CAA and BSc were highly regarded by the committee, and the bubble sucked.

I don't like ndsu at 3, Montana over UC Davis or Delaware losing 3 of 4, but there were not great options.

[JSUSoutherner]

Theres a distinct metric when discussing who should be in and who should be seeded where that is used by the committee that isn't used here among the fans.

Money.

It's all about money. Resumes are secondary.

[JoltinJoe]

At least Delaware had an FBS win and a win over a playoff caliber team to its credit.

It was a quality FBS win but I thought losing three of its last four was going to be fatal. FBS wins matter. Lesson learned.

[ysubigred]

Theres a distinct metric when discussing who should be in and who should be seeded where that is used by the committee that isn't used here among the fans.

Money.

It's all about money. Resumes are secondary.Get rid of the lousy auto-bids and get the 24 best teams..

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[ysubigred]

It was a quality FBS win but I thought losing three of its last four was going to be fatal. FBS wins matter. Lesson learned.This kept YSU out several times.. hell we beat Pitt one year..

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[WileECoyote06]

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xlolx

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[BlueGoldAg]

32672

[WileECoyote06]

Get rid of the lousy auto-bids and get the 24 best teams..

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Do you really want the D2-method applied to FCS? Earned access and region shifting?

I'd rather see the playoffs expand than that.

[WileECoyote06]

Just wanted to point out. . and this is filled with fallacy, but. .

The committee punished FAMU for scheduling too easy; and UC-Davis for scheduling too hard.

xdrunkyx

[JacksFan40]

SDSU over Sac State is interesting to say the least, as is NDSU over MSU. My guess is the committee is really holding that 68-28 loss to Oregon State against the Cats, that’d be the only reasonable explanation. I can’t think of an explanation for SDSU over Sac State, other than they went with the polls.

As for SDSU’s playoff slate, it’s exactly what I wanted. We should be able to trounce either SFU or Delaware, and should overwhelm HC. This will set up a semifinal rematch with MSU, but now in Brookings.

[nickp]

I wish Jackson State was in the playoffs

[crusader11]

As for SDSU’s playoff slate, it’s exactly what I wanted. We should be able to trounce either SFU or Delaware, and should overwhelm HC. This will set up a semifinal rematch with MSU, but now in Brookings.

This isn’t the same HC team that came to Brookings for the Corona playoffs.

But, yeah, will be tough sledding should we get there.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

32672


You had San Diego. Cream puff.

Obviously it looks like Davis needs to schedule a FBS game every year to pay the bills. Email your AD. Up the donations so no FBS is needed....xcoffeex

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I wish Jackson State was in the playoffs


1st round loss....

[WileECoyote06]

You had San Diego. Cream puff.

Obviously it looks like Davis needs to schedule a FBS game every year to pay the bills. Email your AD. Up the donations so no FBS is needed....xcoffeex

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1st round loss....

They would have been seeded though. . .xlolx

[JacksFan40]

This isn’t the same HC team that came to Brookings for the Corona playoffs.

But, yeah, will be tough sledding should we get there.
Maybe HC can beat SDSU, but I just see it as the worst matchup for HC. I could be wrong though, it is SDSU after all.

These playoffs look very exciting, lots of great first round matchups.

[CopperCat]

How much did Haslam pay the other committee members to get the griz in along with screwing MSU out of the 3 seed?

[crusader11]

Maybe HC can beat SDSU, but I just see it as the worst matchup for HC. I could be wrong though, it is SDSU after all.

These playoffs look very exciting, lots of great first round matchups.

I do like the fact that all of the underclassmen from 2020 are either seniors or 5th year seniors this year, so I think there's something to be said for being familiar with the surroundings and Chesney can no doubt play up the "revenge" game.

But, I'm getting way ahead of myself...we will have our hands very full with either UNH or Fordham.

[SDFS]

They crushed UNI at UNI and SDSU needed stupidity on UNIs part to win.

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If you watched the game I am not sure you would say crushed. It was a 1 possession game with 3 minutes left in the game. UNI had the ball and was driving deep in Sac St. territory and when they gave up an Int with a long return that made the results much worse than the game looked. The win probability factor at ESPN had the start of the 4th Q as 49% UNI and 51% Sac St. UNI moved the ball most of the game and they hurt themselves with 3 turnovers. Total yards UNI 403 / Sac 424. Again not saying Sac St. didn't deserve to win. They played the better game overall. But, UNI was not over matched in that game.

[Utgrizfan]

How much did Haslam pay the other committee members to get the griz in along with screwing MSU out of the 3 seed?

Think the Cats not getting the 3rd Seed was due to Bison bias more then anything.

[AmsterBison]

Think the Cats not getting the 3rd Seed was due to Bison bias more then anything.

Maybe, but I really have a hard time with MSU losing to Oregon State by 40 points.

That said, the Bobcats looked like an unstoppable machine this weekend.

[Bisonoline]

Wow, NDSU the #3 seed over Montana State....

Braketing

[Bisonoline]

Think the Cats not getting the 3rd Seed was due to Bison bias more then anything.

Bracketing

[Gil Dobie]

Think it's pretty clear. CAA and BSc were highly regarded by the committee, and the bubble sucked.

I don't like ndsu at 3, Montana over UC Davis or Delaware losing 3 of 4, but there were not great options.

Not surprised, you've been talking NDSU down quite a bit. I would have been fine letting you place us wherever. Just not that big of a deal.

[SDFS]

Pure BS. Had 23,073 for the game yesterday, so it’s not SDSU put a better bid out.

Hey great showing yesterday. I watched the game. It looks like a great gameday atmosphere. Congrats to Sac St. on a great turn around. That said, stop stealing our CB's UND needed Nelson this year.

[grizband]

Get rid of the lousy auto-bids and get the 24 best teams..

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Montana would still be in the playoffs if this were the selection process. Teams who might not be in the playoffs if auto-bids were removed: Gardner-Webb, Eastern Kentucky, Davidson, and St. Francis. Removing auto-bids would only ensure that more teams from the Big 3 conferences would be selected to the playoffs.

[Professor Chaos]

Never liked the idea of getting rid of the autobids. That's the only path to the playoffs that doesn't involve subjective analysis from a committee of people who may or may not give your team a fair shake. With 24 teams and 13 at-large bids they'll get every team in there that has a legit title shot. I'd rather see the last few bids filled with champions from lesser leagues who have no title shot than 4th/5th/6th place teams from better leagues that have no title shot.

[ElCid]

Never liked the idea of getting rid of the autobids. That's the only path to the playoffs that doesn't involve subjective analysis from a committee of people who may or may not give your team a fair shake. With 24 teams and 13 at-large bids they'll get every team in there that has a legit title shot. I'd rather see the last few bids filled with champions from lesser leagues who have no title shot than 4th/5th/6th place teams from better leagues that have no title shot.

Exactly.

[jacksfan29!]

Montana getting in over UC Davis is a biased travesty: Idaho beats Montana, the Aggies beat Idaho and Montana gets destroyed by Montana State yesterday plus they played a much weaker schedule. Obviously, history and name recognition means much more to the committee than SOS and competitiveness against top competition.

People whining about Sac State getting the #2 are missing a much bigger story. Davis should have been in.

[Chalupa Batman]

FWIW, this would be a completely seeded bracket using the AGS field:


#16 Southeastern Louisiana/#17 Fordham @ #1 Sacramento State
#9 Holy Cross/#24 Davidson @ #8 Weber State

#13 Southeast Missouri State/#20 Montana @ #4 North Dakota State
#12 Richmond/#21 St. Francis @ #5 Incarnate Word

#14 New Hampshire/#19 North Dakota @ #3 Montana State
#11 Elon/#22 Eastern Kentucky @ #6 William & Mary

#15 Idaho/#18 Mercer @ #2 South Dakota State
#10 Furman/#23 Gardner-Webb @ #7 Samford

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

People whining about Sac State getting the #2 are missing a much bigger story. Davis should have been in.


Davis is where they should be.....out of the playoffs. Win 1 more game....pretty easy.

[jacksfan29!]

Nah, Bison got the three because SDSU got the one. With SDSU at one NDSU were either a 3 or a 5, MVFC only got in three, putting the two on the same side would have been a travesty.

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Davis is where they should be.....out of the playoffs. Win 1 more game....pretty easy.

Montana?

[AmsterBison]

Never liked the idea of getting rid of the autobids. That's the only path to the playoffs that doesn't involve subjective analysis from a committee of people who may or may not give your team a fair shake. With 24 teams and 13 at-large bids they'll get every team in there that has a legit title shot. I'd rather see the last few bids filled with champions from lesser leagues who have no title shot than 4th/5th/6th place teams from better leagues that have no title shot.

I'm with you. If a conference is improving, then this is a great way to give them the opportunity to show it.

[lucchesicourt]

Montana would have gotten in even if they were 0-11

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Montana would have gotten in even if they were 0-11


Maybe if they didn't field a team also....xrolleyesx

[GAD]

Never liked the idea of getting rid of the autobids. That's the only path to the playoffs that doesn't involve subjective analysis from a committee of people who may or may not give your team a fair shake. With 24 teams and 13 at-large bids they'll get every team in there that has a legit title shot. I'd rather see the last few bids filled with champions from lesser leagues who have no title shot than 4th/5th/6th place teams from better leagues that have no title shot.
xthumbsupx

[WrenFGun]

The real problem I have with Montana is that they have four fcs losses. If UC Davis had as much money as Montana and could afford to schedule a non fbs non conf, they'd be in.

[SDFS]

That's wack. The lesson here is don't schedule SDSU for non-conference.

Both Mercer and Chattanooga out. . ..

I can't wait to see the SRS if they publish it. If most rating services says that the SoCon, Big Sky, and MVFC was stronger than the CAA this year; how do they get five bids?

wow. .


Yes, WAC - East got five bids. MVFC - 3 bids - MVFC needs to start moving its nonconference games to the East.

[SDFS]

Pete is one pissed off Penguin!
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/3kYwg5u3rd92okkR1Yjm4lVzt9Q=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22331531/yab.1.png

I think YSU should be in

[SDFS]

It was a quality FBS win but I thought losing three of its last four was going to be fatal. FBS wins matter. Lesson learned.

Several years ago, UND had a FBS win and 7 wins. The committee selected a 6 win team. It changes every year.

[penguinpower]

It was a quality FBS win but I thought losing three of its last four was going to be fatal. FBS wins matter. Lesson learned.

That all depends is you are Youngstown. They've been left out more than any other team on the bubble and that's a fact.

[The Cats]

Wow poor Sac State……. 11-0 FBS win they didn’t get the 1 seed……apparently FBS games don’t mean ****.

Unless you're in the MVFC

[AggiePride]

Montana getting in over UC Davis is a biased travesty: Idaho beats Montana, the Aggies beat Idaho and Montana gets destroyed by Montana State yesterday plus they played a much weaker schedule. Obviously, history and name recognition means much more to the committee than SOS and competitiveness against top competition.

Davis is better than half the teams in, but it is what it is, rough schedule and close road losses to the #1 and 2 teams, with the other being tough losses to top 5/10. Montana is definitely eye opening after getting smashed.

[The Cats]

SoCon’s best year in a decade and they have the same number of bids as the Patriot OUCH

Yeah, something's rotten in Denmark!!!!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I think YSU should have been in over Delaware. Especially if they want to make sure a legacy program gets the benefit of the doubt. The 'Guins played better down the stretch in a slightly better conference.

[POD Knows]

SoCon’s best year in a decade and they have the same number of bids as the Patriot OUCHYea, that is BS on so many levels.

[POD Knows]

Think the Cats not getting the 3rd Seed was due to Bison bias more then anything.Yea, the Bison have never beaten the Cats, JFC.

[AggiePride]

Davis is where they should be.....out of the playoffs. Win 1 more game....pretty easy.
Only with blinders on, staring at records, ignoring SOS, and not watching the games, but hey, I get it. A few plays away in multiple games.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They tell us it's not, but NDSU doesnt get a 3 seed, UD/UM both get in, etc...

NDSU has a chance to host again in the semifinals if they get lucky.

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You know what is always funny about this sort of thing when you get to see all that I do? The AGS Poll said UM would be in as an at large. Your ballot reflected that as well. Were you going to gain some financial advantage for Montana getting in? I mean, how the hell else can we explain it?

You can always make up anything you want to about others and we usually do around here I guess but maybe it's just people working it out the best way they can and that is how it fell this time...because it fell really f'n close to what we had here from what I see.

Montana, and any other middling team on the bubble had no strong argument to be in. That is for the seeds and auto qualifiers. Once you get down to the last 4 teams in it it's pretty iffy. So nobody has **** to grepe about that can't be batted back with a like argument from the other side.

You made that same case a while back when Montana was left out of the field if I remember correct so maybe it's not that argument?

[POD Knows]

Montana would have gotten in even if they were 0-11Yep, exactly

[kdinva]

JAY....DROPPED DUH "D" BOMB.....EARLY ON....DIVERSITY...............JES' SAYIN'......xwhistlex...........BRAWK!

https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/college-football-team-ratings-2022/

(forgive me if someone else posted this)

Sagarin:

FAMU # 60
UNI # 10
Mercer #14
St. Francis #40
Jackson St. # 26

[POD Knows]

The real problem I have with Montana is that they have four fcs losses. If UC Davis had as much money as Montana and could afford to schedule a non fbs non conf, they'd be in.Exactly, their spot in this field is kind of like how NH used to get in, on rep and other things not related to football.

[BlueGoldAg]

I can live with Idaho getting getting in and even us getting left out but putting Montana in over us has exposed the abject Montana bias of the selection committee. There is no logical or unbiased, fair reason that Montana should be in the playoffs ahead of us.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Classic Jay, trying to expand and include everyone…. Good answers by the chairman

Well, everyone is included. The playoffs started in early September. xlolx

[AggiePride]

You know what is always funny about this sort of thing when you get to see all that I do? The AGS Poll said UM would be in as an at large. Your ballot reflected that as well. Were you going to gain some financial advantage for Montana getting in? I mean, how the hell else can we explain it?

You can always make up anything you want to about others and we usually do around here I guess but maybe it's just people working it out the best way they can and that is how it fell this time...because it fell really f'n close to what we had here from what I see.

Montana, and any other middling team on the bubble had no strong argument to be in. That is for the seeds and auto qualifiers. Once you get down to the last 4 teams in it it's pretty iffy. So nobody has **** to grepe about that can't be batted back with a like argument from the other side.

You made that same case a while back when Montana was left out of the field if I remember correct so maybe it's not that argument?

Truth. Seeing UC Davis not ranked and then barely ranked last week in the AGS poll (and the Montana love) is consistent with these selections. Just as flawed. No offense to anyone, I wouldn’t do any better, but that’s why I don’t participate.

[POD Knows]

You know what is always funny about this sort of thing when you get to see all that I do? The AGS Poll said UM would be in as an at large. Your ballot reflected that as well. Were you going to gain some financial advantage for Montana getting in? I mean, how the hell else can we explain it?

You can always make up anything you want to about others and we usually do around here I guess but maybe it's just people working it out the best way they can and that is how it fell this time...because it fell really f'n close to what we had here from what I see.

Montana, and any other middling team on the bubble had no strong argument to be in. That is for the seeds and auto qualifiers. Once you get down to the last 4 teams in it it's pretty iffy. So nobody has **** to grepe about that can't be batted back with a like argument from the other side.

You made that same case a while back when Montana was left out of the field if I remember correct so maybe it's not that argument?No way the Griz get a spot in this thing outside of the $$$ no freaking way.

[kab]

Only reason Montana is in is the bid they can put in, sure as hell don’t deserve to be in

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The real problem I have with Montana is that they have four fcs losses. If UC Davis had as much money as Montana and could afford to schedule a non fbs non conf, they'd be in.

What? They have 35,000 students to draw from brought in something like 7 Million in donations last year and had pretty fair attendance. I think they could have made it just fine in comparison with UM on the financial front. UM is rolling on mostly attendance of course because our student population is 1/5 the size of UC Davis.

Take even $300 per student for fees and I think they can compete.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Truth. Seeing UC Davis not ranked and then barely ranked last week in the AGS poll (and the Montana love) is consistent with these selections. Just as flawed. No offense to anyone, I wouldn’t do any better, but that’s why I don’t participate.

I think UC Davis should have been in. I don't know if Montana should have been, but there are several that I don't know about so it's tough to place the tail end of it all...but when you can just sit back and bitch about the committee every year I guess it is what we should all do.

Anybody with 7 wins, even in a tough conference, with a good SOS is gonna be an iffy selection...and if they all were/are iffy...like you said, it's a tough call and we have the luxury of not disappointing whole segments of FCS cuz damn that would feel ****ty to have to do.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

No way the Griz get a spot in this thing outside of the $$$ no freaking way.

Then how the **** would they have gotten a spot in it based on us then smart guy? Hey wise ass, when you post the answer key this week where will you have Montana? Where will you have UC Davis? How much you making off the Griz being in?

xlolx

Funny seeing all you critcs bitching when you did the exact same f'n thing.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Only reason Montana is in is the bid they can put in, sure as hell don’t deserve to be in

None of the last few teams in deserved ****...including Montana.

[WrenFGun]

Exactly, their spot in this field is kind of like how NH used to get in, on rep and other things not related to football.

Not really. That's just a tired and uninformed opinion not backed by research.

If UC Davis didn't play an FBS game like Montana didn't, UC Davis would be in that spot.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Only with blinders on, staring at records, ignoring SOS, and not watching the games, but hey, I get it. A few plays away in multiple games.


Step up during the season and Davis didn't. Too bad.

[POD Knows]

Then how the **** would they have gotten a spot in it based on us then smart guy? Hey wise ass, when you post the answer key this week where will you have Montana? Where will you have UC Davis? How much you making off the Griz being in?

xlolx

Funny seeing all you critcs bitching when you did the exact same f'n thing.
The Bison win maybe getting to play you guys in Fargo. Although I doubt you beat SEMO.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The Bison win maybe getting to play you guys in Fargo. Although I doubt you beat SEMO.


Hauck will be right behind me if the paper tiger Griz get to Fargo.....I'll be giving him some good smack!!

xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The Bison win maybe getting to play you guys in Fargo. Although I doubt you beat SEMO.

Very possible SEMO wins. I'd bet even odds that they get held to their lowest output of the season too. I can see that going either way depending our offense because if LJ is in and we possess the ball, the defense is not on the field for more than 1/2 the game and that is a team that is hard to beat on our side. We just can't do that if he isn't in, or Daniel Britt hasn't gotten enough snaps to take over for him. It's two different teams.

[Silenoz]

If the Griz can get by SEMO, let's see if the Griz can defend A gap power.....xnodx

Uh, we already know we can't lol

[Silenoz]

I'm gonna call the shot:

MSU over NDSU in the finals

Bison can't stop the MSU run game. Not something I thought I'd ever live to say. What a time to be alive!

[POD Knows]

Very possible SEMO wins. I'd bet even odds that they get held to their lowest output of the season too. I can see that going either way depending our offense because if LJ is in and we possess the ball, the defense is not on the field for more than 1/2 the game and that is a team that is hard to beat on our side. We just can't do that if he isn't in, or Daniel Britt hasn't gotten enough snaps to take over for him. It's two different teams.
I was joking. If you lose to SEMO any freaking equity rep that you guys own (undeserving) needs to die. Outside of great crowds and ancient history, the Griz have done nothing really.

[POD Knows]

I'm gonna call the shot:

MSU over NDSU in the finals

Bison can't stop the MSU run game. Not something I thought I'd ever live to say. What a time to be alive!
NDSU will never get to the finals with this team but if they do and MSU is the opponent, they will curb stomp them. It is what it is.

[Bisonoline]

I'm gonna call the shot:

MSU over NDSU in the finals

Bison can't stop the MSU run game. Not something I thought I'd ever live to say. What a time to be alive!

Not unless they learn how to between now and then. Which I have no confidence in.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

What? They have 35,000 students to draw from brought in something like 7 Million in donations last year and had pretty fair attendance. I think they could have made it just fine in comparison with UM on the financial front. UM is rolling on mostly attendance of course because our student population is 1/5 the size of UC Davis.

Take even $300 per student for fees and I think they can compete.

I looked this up. More lopsided than I thought it was.

Athletic budgets
UC Davis
Today, the school has a nearly $40 million annual athletics budge

Montana
Just a little over 1/2 of that at $23 million.

Both numbers are higher than I would have thought.

[SDFS]

I think YSU should have been in over Delaware. Especially if they want to make sure a legacy program gets the benefit of the doubt. The 'Guins played better down the stretch in a slightly better conference.

A change at QB made all the difference. They had a passing game to go with the ALL TIME CAREER Rushing leader Jaleel McLaughlin. He set that record.. running the ball in the MVFC.

On the day, McLaughlin carried the ball 28 times in the contest and now has 8,082 yards to eclipse the former record total of 8,074 set by Mount Union's Nate Kmic (2005-08).

[Silenoz]

I was joking. If you lose to SEMO any freaking equity rep that you guys own (undeserving) needs to die. Outside of great crowds and ancient history, the Griz have done nothing really.
Hey, you guys chose to stick around in the watered down modern day FCS. Now you're stuck with the shambling corpses of Montana, EWU, and UNI. 😎

[POD Knows]

Hey, you guys chose to stick around in the watered down modern day FCS. Now you're stuck with the shambling corpses of Montana, EWU, and UNI. 
Hey, we are watered down too. And we didn’t chose to stick around, it is what it is.

[taper]

Hey, you guys chose to stick around in the watered down modern day FCS. Now you're stuck with the shambling corpses of Montana, EWU, and UNI. 
That's funny, because Montana actually had a FBS invite they turned down, while NDSU is still waiting.

[uofmman1122]

That's funny, because Montana actually had a FBS invite they turned down, while NDSU is still waiting.
From a conference that no longer exists lol

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Hey, you guys chose to stick around in the watered down modern day FCS. Now you're stuck with the shambling corpses of Montana, EWU, and UNI. 


And the wonderful athletic department at NDSU picked EWU to play at USBank stadium next fall for our destination game. That game will be awesome to be at but the game itself will be a joke. EWU sucks and will be next fall and will bring probably parents and support staff, so in other words a 100 people or so.

[AggiePride]

I looked this up. More lopsided than I thought it was.

Athletic budgets
UC Davis
Today, the school has a nearly $40 million annual athletics budge

Montana
Just a little over 1/2 of that at $23 million.

Both numbers are higher than I would have thought.

Yet Montana has higher football expenses (almost 25% more), garnering a much higher % of that budget. A little misleading, no? I have no doubt where the athletic department priorities are between the two schools.

Our history with the NACDA directors cup speaks for itself, before we jumped, that culture hasn’t changed.

[BlueGoldAg]

Sacramento State head coach, Troy Taylor, had this to say after the game against UC Davis yesterday:


Asked after Saturday’s game if UC Davis should receive a playoff opportunity, Sacramento State head coach Troy Taylor didn’t hesitate.



“Absolutely,” he said. “No question about it. If you look at their body of work, they should be included. It would have been easy for them to schedule three easy games to start the season, but they didn’t do that. They didn’t have to play Cal and South Dakota State to start the season. They should not be punished for playing a tough schedule.”

So, if we would have scheduled two weak opponents early in the season instead of Cal and SDSU and beat them both handily, would we have been selected with an 8-3 record? If yes, it would mean the SOS is not that important to the committee and that it is better to win over weak competition than to lose close games against several of the top teams in the FCS.

[JacksFan40]

And the wonderful athletic department at NDSU picked EWU to play at USBank stadium next fall for our destination game. That game will be awesome to be at but the game itself will be a joke. EWU sucks and will be next fall and will bring probably parents and support staff, so in other words a 100 people or so.
NDSU should’ve tried to get a game with St. Thomas at Target Field or USBank Stadium. Game wouldn’t be close but attendance would be very good.

[Green Cookie Monster]

Hey great showing yesterday. I watched the game. It looks like a great gameday atmosphere. Congrats to Sac St. on a great turn around. That said, stop stealing our CB's UND needed Nelson this year.

You took Ketteringham from us. [emoji14]

[taper]

NDSU should’ve tried to get a game with St. Thomas at Target Field or USBank Stadium. Game wouldn’t be close but attendance would be very good.
I'm sure we will at some point. Our game against Butler was our highest ever "home" attendance. Games in Minny should only be every 3-4 years or the novelty wears off.

[Green Cookie Monster]

Yet Montana has higher football expenses (almost 25% more), garnering a much higher % of that budget. A little misleading, no? I have no doubt where the athletic department priorities are between the two schools.

Our history with the NACDA directors cup speaks for itself, before we jumped, that culture hasn’t changed.

Davis sponsors like 26 varsity teams, Montana bare DI minimum. UC tuition is much higher too.

[SDFS]

You took Ketteringham from us. [emoji14]

I thought that you guys benched him.. and he was looking for playing time.

[Professor Chaos]

Sacramento State head coach, Troy Taylor, had this to say after the game against UC Davis yesterday:



So, if we would have scheduled two weak opponents early in the season instead of Cal and SDSU and beat them both handily, would we have been selected with an 8-3 record? If yes, it would mean the SOS is not that important to the committee and that it is better to win over weak competition than to lose close games against several of the top teams in the FCS.
The answer to your question is yes. But I'd like to think some teams are more interested in setting themselves up for success in the playoffs not just making the playoffs. Sac St also played a tough game (or at least what was perceived at the time to be a tough game) going to UNI in the non-conference schedule. They won that game and that, along with winning their FBS game and running the Big Sky slate, got them home field until Frisco in the playoffs.

If just making the playoffs is your ultimate goal then, by all means, schedule 3 cupcakes each year OOC and you'll maximize your chances but if you want to shoot for a high seed it doesn't hurt to test yourself with a tougher OOC FCS game and I think most coaches would say that teams are better versions of themselves by the end of the season win or lose because they challenged themselves with an early OOC game.

[lucchesicourt]

Montana didn't beat a team over .500 record and finished 6th in their conference behind UC Davis Sac, MSU, Weber, and Idaho. So, if Davis wasn't invited neither should Montana.

[Chalupa Batman]

I'm gonna call the shot:

MSU over NDSU in the finals

Bison can't stop the MSU run game. Not something I thought I'd ever live to say. What a time to be alive!

The only team I’ve seen that has the horses to slow down (not stop) MSU’s running game is SDSU. That semifinal game if they play will be a slobber knocker.

[Sitting Bull]

Montana didn't beat a team over .500 record and finished 6th in their conference behind UC Davis Sac, MSU, Weber, and Idaho. So, if Davis wasn't invited neither should Montana.

They do help spike the revenue pool

[Professor Chaos]

On another note it's nice to see the kickoff times spread out a little bit for the round 1 games.

12PM ET: Elon @ Furman
2PM ET: St Francis @ Delaware, Fordham @ UNH, Davidson @ Richmond
4PM ET: UND @ Weber St
5PM ET: Gardner-Webb @ EKU
7PM ET: Idaho @ SLU
10PM ET: SEMO @ Montana


Much better than the Saturday of the 2nd round:

12PM ET: Fordham/UNH @ Holy Cross
2PM ET: G-W/EKU @ W&M, Elon/Furman @ UIW
3PM ET: St Francis/Delaware @ SDSU, Idaho/SLU @ Samford, UND/Weber St @ Montana St
3:30PM ET: SEMO/Montana @ NDSU
5PM ET: Davidson/Richmond @ Sac St

[Paladin1aa]

Montana didn't beat a team over .500 record and finished 6th in their conference behind UC Davis Sac, MSU, Weber, and Idaho. So, if Davis wasn't invited neither should Montana.

You must not have gotten the memo - the process is corrupt. And it has the NCAAs blessing.

[POD Knows]

Montana didn't beat a team over .500 record and finished 6th in their conference behind UC Davis Sac, MSU, Weber, and Idaho. So, if Davis wasn't invited neither should Montana.
Their inclusion in this years playoff is a complete joke. Davis didn’t beat anybody either. They looked good in their losses which is more than you can say for Montana.

[Bisonator]

UC Davis was 6-5. Win another game and then you can bitch jfc!

[Gil Dobie]

The committee said they also looked into injuries. Montana QB was out 2 games that Montana lost, OT loss to Sac St and a close one to Weber. They finished with 7 DI wins, UCD 6

[ElCid]

Sacramento State head coach, Troy Taylor, had this to say after the game against UC Davis yesterday:



So, if we would have scheduled two weak opponents early in the season instead of Cal and SDSU and beat them both handily, would we have been selected with an 8-3 record? If yes, it would mean the SOS is not that important to the committee and that it is better to win over weak competition than to lose close games against several of the top teams in the FCS.

You are trying to portray it as one or the other. As with most things, it is always somewhere in between. By using your logic then a team that hypothetically loses to each of the top eleven teams in a season by only one point (that would be a heck of a schedule) should get in the playoffs simply due to their SOS and close losses. That's an extreme example simply for the sake of illustration. But as a serious question, where then is the cut off for serious consideration? 9 wins? Kind of high but some think not for weak conferences. 8 wins? Depends on SOS, right? 7 wins? Many think so as a bottom baseline. 6 wins? You obviously think so. What about only five wins, etc? Lots of teams have hard schedules, but the bottom line is you got to win them.

Personally I think it ridiculous to have any 6-5 team in the playoffs. And that's not to pick on Davis. It's been done before and was wrong then as it would have been this year. There is no doubt they are a good team, but lots of good teams aren't going. Given that most teams play an FBS, and most lose, that means they already lost to four other FCS teams, probably including at least three conf opponents. So please justify how a team who has already proved they can't compete with their conf mates for the top spot, is worthy to be part of the playoffs. People can argue all day long about which conf is better and therefore deserving somehow, but until the playoffs happen, it's all speculation.

[Paladin1aa]

The committee said they also looked into injuries. Montana QB was out 2 games that Montana lost, OT loss to Sac St and a close one to Weber. They finished with 7 DI wins, UCD 6

”The committee said “. They always are moving the goal posts but telling no one till AFTER the “ selections”.

Totally corrupt.

[Gil Dobie]

”The committee said “. They always are moving the goal posts but telling no one till AFTER the “ selections”.

Totally corrupt.

Well, this was mentioned prior to today.

[POD Knows]

The committee said they also looked into injuries. Montana QB was out 2 games that Montana lost, OT loss to Sac St and a close one to Weber. They finished with 7 DI wins, UCD 6
LMFAO. maybe that is how NDSU got a 3 seed. xlolx

[uofmman1122]

”The committee said “. They always are moving the goal posts but telling no one till AFTER the “ selections”.

Totally corrupt.
lol I've been saying for weeks on here that they said specifically they would look into injuries for all teams, and that the "eye" test was going to be important.

Now everyone is shocked that what they said would happen did. lmao

We needed like 5 teams to lose yesterday to even have a shot, and all 5 did, but somehow that's now our fault and the committee is corrupt. The only team I feel bad for is UTM, because they won their game, won their conference and got screwed by random chance.

[Professor Chaos]

”The committee said “. They always are moving the goal posts but telling no one till AFTER the “ selections”.

Totally corrupt.
Does that mean the AGS Poll voters are totally corrupt too since we've matched the committee's at-large selections with the Selection Sunday AGS Poll consensus 92% of the time since 2013?

This isn't the black-and-white decision you're trying to make it out to be; it's impossible to say do X and Y and Z and you're in or else you're out. There's shades of gray to each of these criteria and it's been debated on this board a lot over the last month just like it was in the committee boardroom I'm sure. Ask 11 different AGSers their opinions on the last few teams in and first few teams out you're likely to get 11 different combinations of teams - I'd bet it would be the same for the 11 person selection committee. In any case to get to the bubble of a 24-team playoff field a team definitely let some chances slip and put their fates in the hands of the committee and there's always going to teams who feel like they were snubbed no matter what criteria you come up with.

[Paladin1aa]

Does that mean the AGS Poll voters are totally corrupt too since we've matched the committee's at-large selections with the Selection Sunday AGS Poll consensus 92% of the time since 2013?

This isn't the black-and-white decision you're trying to make it out to be; it's impossible to say do X and Y and Z and you're in or else you're out. There's shades of gray to each of these criteria and it's been debated on this board a lot over the last month just like it was in the committee boardroom I'm sure. Ask 11 different AGSers their opinions on the last few teams in and first few teams out you're likely to get 11 different combinations of teams - I'd bet it would be the same for the 11 person selection committee. In any case to get to the bubble of a 24-team playoff field a team definitely let some chances slip and put their fates in the hands of the committee and there's always going to teams who feel like they were snubbed no matter what criteria you come up with.

No one argues with most who get in. They are pretty much self evident. It’s the tail end of a handful to teams where the “ criteria” are often hidden and subject to questionable ,unannounced or altered rationale. There needs to be a firmer outline of what gets you in. This happens every year. Lots of fans look down at this division because of this. It doesn’t have a clean smell. JMHO.

[Henny]

I am shocked Florida A&M didn’t get a bid after all that stuff from a few days ago, thought they would have sent Montana or UD home for sure. Also yeah UD did not deserve a bid after the second half of their season unfolded.

Same could be said for UNH-Marty Campus. The school that’s never made a championship game after years of automatic playoff berths.

[uofmman1122]

No one argues with most who get in. They are pretty much self evident. It’s the tail end of a handful to teams where the “ criteria” are often hidden and subject to questionable ,unannounced or altered rationale. There needs to be a firmer outline of what gets you in. This happens every year. Lots of fans look down at this division because of this. It doesn’t have a clean smell. JMHO.
You're asking for them to somehow provide objective reasoning for highly subjective decisions. The chairman said that when it came down to it, they just thought the teams that got in were better than the teams that didn't.

“When it all boils down to it … you just have to ask yourself, if you line this team up against these other teams, who do you think is the better team? Montana we felt was a better team than the rest of those bubble teams.”

[Professor Chaos]

No one argues with most who get in. They are pretty much self evident. It’s the tail end of a handful to teams where the “ criteria” are often hidden and subject to questionable ,unannounced or altered rationale. There needs to be a firmer outline of what gets you in. This happens every year. Lots of fans look down at this division because of this. It doesn’t have a clean smell. JMHO.
The average fan doesn't look down at the FCS because of the playoff selection process, they look down on it because it's viewed as D2 football.

There's varying degrees of good/bad wins, good/bad losses, strength of schedule, and all the rest of it and perspectives differ on each of those as well from person to person. You can make cogent arguments for and against including Delaware and Montana (that doesn't involve making more money). You could do the same for the teams left out as well.

[UNHWildcat18]

Same could be said for UNH-Marty Campus. The school that’s never made a championship game after years of automatic playoff berths.

oh honestly STFU they gave FAMU a bid at 9-2 with a garbage schedule this year, with a public statement about hosting a game I thought it was a “done deal”. You are still so butthurt over that year we got in over you with the same record. Be thankful you are in after that disaster of an end to the season. Yeah like anyone outside of NDSU can talk smack about making the championship the last decade

[caribbeanhen]

oh honestly STFU they gave FAMU a bid at 9-2 with a garbage schedule this year, with a public statement about hosting a game I thought it was a “done deal”. You are still so butthurt over that year we got in over you with the same record. Be thankful you are in after that disaster of an end to the season. Yeah like anyone outside of NDSU can talk smack about making the championship the last decade

but your playoff appearances started almost 20 years ago... still waiting

[WrenFGun]

Same could be said for UNH-Marty Campus. The school that’s never made a championship game after years of automatic playoff berths.


Deserved the bid every time.

[abc123]

You must not have gotten the memo - the process is corrupt. And it has the NCAAs blessing.

Oh just wait....

[Go...gate]

SoCon’s best year in a decade and they have the same number of bids as the Patriot OUCH

Meanwhile, it is a good showing for the Patriot League.

[lucchesicourt]

I am not saying UC Davis should be in the playoffs. I am saying UC Davis did brat a ranked team that was not one of the top 7. Montana did not beat a team with a better than .500 record and was 6th in conference. Thus, there were more deserving teams than Montana. Get it!

[lucchesicourt]

No I am not saying that. I am saying a 6th place team on the conference should not get a spot in the playoffs when the teams above them are more deserving. So, if Montana plays an 11 game schedule and brats no one with a .500 record and the games ate close they wouldn't be deserving either. I pointing out UC Davis played a note collective schedule and did brat a ranked team. Montana beat no one. So,.SOS !fans nothing at this point to Montana. As I have heard before a loss to a FBS team is still a loss that counts.

[lucchesicourt]

I don't ever remember saying the Ags should get in the playoffs. I did day if Montana got in and the Ags did not what makes them more deserving of a playoff spot when there are other teams with a better result and had 7 or more D1 wins

[lucchesicourt]

I would like someone to logically explain to me how Montana is better than UC Davis and all the other D1teams who had 7 or more D1wins

[MTfan4life]

Montana and Delaware in because of $$. Without question financial contributions are part of the decision making process.

If this were true, wouldn't this be the case every year? What happened in 2017 when Montana and Delaware were 7-4 and didn't get in? If financial contributions were a part of the process, wouldn't that have put them in automatically? Northern Arizona and Nicholls got in instead of them. Your argument becomes anecdotal when things don't swing that way every single time. I get the arguments they shouldn't have been in the playoffs but making the argument they always will get in because of $$ doesn't work when there's an example contradicting you from just 5 years ago.

[JayJ79]

Get rid of the lousy auto-bids and get the 24 best teams..
sounds like what P5 teams and fans say about the basketball tournament every year.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

If this were true, wouldn't this be the case every year? What happened in 2017 when Montana and Delaware were 7-4 and didn't get in? If financial contributions were a part of the process, wouldn't that have put them in automatically? Northern Arizona and Nicholls got in instead of them. Your argument becomes anecdotal when things don't swing that way every single time. I get the arguments they shouldn't have been in the playoffs but making the argument they always will get in because of $$ doesn't work when there's an example contradicting you from just 5 years ago.

None of those games were also part of ESPN2's broadcasting plans. The fact the Griz get in, are at home and on nationally television is deeply rooted in financial motives....

[MTfan4life]

None of those games were also part of ESPN2's broadcasting plans. The fact the Griz get in, are at home and on nationally television is deeply rooted in financial motives....

It's a known fact the financial powers get the home games. That's true.

All I'm saying is if it came down to money EVERY SINGLE TIME. Montana would get in every single time. And they don't. So we can make that argument every year they get in and just ignore that argument every year they don't. Whatever makes you feel better. I can't explain it because I call Sagarin a joke, but so many people worship Sagarin. Montana is a stupid 4th in the Sagarin rating. In fact, in the Massey Composite, the team that should feel most fortunate is New Hampshire. Granted, it helped they tied for the conference title. They were the lowest ranked at-large team in that ranking. Next down the line were Fordham, Delaware, North Dakota, and Richmond. Unfortunately for UC Davis, they're up at 14 in that Composite. The committee must have just stuck to their 7 win guns this season. I guess only Valley or Southland teams can get in with 6 wins.

[mvemjsunpx]

It's a known fact the financial powers get the home games. That's true.

All I'm saying is if it came down to money EVERY SINGLE TIME. Montana would get in every single time. And they don't. So we can make that argument every year they get in and just ignore that argument every year they don't. Whatever makes you feel better. I can't explain it because I call Sagarin a joke, but so many people worship Sagarin. Montana is a stupid 4th in the Sagarin rating. In fact, in the Massey Composite, the team that should feel most fortunate is New Hampshire. Granted, it helped they tied for the conference title. They were the lowest ranked at-large team in that ranking. Next down the line were Fordham, Delaware, North Dakota, and Richmond. Unfortunately for UC Davis, they're up at 14 in that Composite. The committee must have just stuck to their 7 win guns this season. I guess only Valley or Southland teams can get in with 6 wins.

Even dumber is that Southern Illinois and Missouri State are both top-20 teams in the Sagarins. xrotatehx

[penguinpower]

You must not have gotten the memo - the process is corrupt. And it has the NCAAs blessing.

I agree 💯 on this. No one has seen this more than YSU

[BeamMeUp]

"@Lucas_Semb
Now for the bidding process. 💰

He was more honest than I expected.

“I can’t share the number (that UM bid), but what I can tell you is that yes, it does factor in … but it’s not the primary factor. But yes, we’re looking at how much they are willing to guarantee.”
Link: https://twitter.com/Lucas_Semb/status/1594505369828864000?t=Zz5J5JXY2nGVpYWI-0uhfA&s=19

Came across a series of tweets from this Tweeter (is that what we call these people)? Is he insinuating that the bids play a factor in the selection process?

It would be refreshing if the committee had more transparency into this process. They should rate all teams in contention for a spot at least 3 weeks out. That would hopefully give everyone an indication of who is in good shape vs on bubble so there isn't so much head scratching following the announcement. They should publish or disclose what data they look at (do they look at Massey)? Are bids actually discussed? If so is that why two well known fan bases like Montana and Delaware getting awarded bubble bids?

Listen, had YSU not blown the UND or MSU games, we would be in. But I do think after following this process over the years some reforms would be refreshing!

[Professor Chaos]

None of those games were also part of ESPN2's broadcasting plans. The fact the Griz get in, are at home and on nationally television is deeply rooted in financial motives....
I'm pretty sure the national game in the first round was part of the FCS playoffs TV contract with ESPN this year. I can't find the press release beyond stating that the championship game will be on ABC this year but had Montana not been selected I'm pretty sure they just would've went to another host site like Delaware or Weber St (if it had to be a late TV slot) for the national game. The viewership for any of these games is going to be trivial in the grand scheme of things for ESPN (less than 1M) so a highly doubt they were pushing for Montana to make it under the table and get 600k viewers rather than go to Weber St and get 300k.

Now whether Montana's ability to sell tickets had a direct or indirect role is a different story and I'd say it's far more likely than ESPN wanting more TV eyeballs. But as I said you can make an argument for Montana to be in or out that doesn't involve money.

[penguinpower]

"@Lucas_Semb
Now for the bidding process. 💰

He was more honest than I expected.

“I can’t share the number (that UM bid), but what I can tell you is that yes, it does factor in … but it’s not the primary factor. But yes, we’re looking at how much they are willing to guarantee.”
Link: https://twitter.com/Lucas_Semb/status/1594505369828864000?t=Zz5J5JXY2nGVpYWI-0uhfA&s=19

Came across a series of tweets from this Tweeter (is that what we call these people)? Is he insinuating that the bids play a factor in the selection process?

It would be refreshing if the committee had more transparency into this process. They should rate all teams in contention for a spot at least 3 weeks out. That would hopefully give everyone an indication of who is in good shape vs on bubble so there isn't so much head scratching following the announcement. They should publish or disclose what data they look at (do they look at Massey)? Are bids actually discussed? If so is that why two well known fan bases like Montana and Delaware getting awarded bubble bids?

Listen, had YSU not blown the UND or MSU games, we would be in. But I do think after following this process over the years some reforms would be refreshing!

UC Davis was more deserving than Montana. YSU finished 4th in the conference Montana finished 6th and got blown out the last game.

How many times have we been told you can't lose 2 of your last 3 games and get in? Delaware lost more tan 2 of last 3 and they got in. How many times were we told that you can't lose the last game of the regular season as a bubble team or you won't get in? Montana took it up the ass in a blowout loss and still got in.

I'm not going to sit here and bitch about it anymore, but the system is RIGGED. And when the FCS selection show says there are new teams because of DiVeRsItY it's their way if saying it was RIGGED.

[ysubigred]

sounds like what P5 teams and fans say about the basketball tournament every year.IF you knew anything about football, the gaps in round ball and 5 man teams is a lot closer than the gap in 22+ man teams..

Automatic bids for football conferences especially 11 of them is mind boggling..


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[jacksfan29!]

The committee said they also looked into injuries. Montana QB was out 2 games that Montana lost, OT loss to Sac St and a close one to Weber. They finished with 7 DI wins, UCD 6

He started against Montana State...

[Henny]

oh honestly STFU they gave FAMU a bid at 9-2 with a garbage schedule this year, with a public statement about hosting a game I thought it was a “done deal”. You are still so butthurt over that year we got in over you with the same record. Be thankful you are in after that disaster of an end to the season. Yeah like anyone outside of NDSU can talk smack about making the championship the last decade


Ok, well great games against Directional Michigan and NCCU! You guys are awesome and deserve to be in the playoffs every year!

[ElCid]

It might have been posted earlier, but it is important to know who was making these decisions. Many probably already know this, but some may not. Here are the members of the committee.

FCS Playoff Committee Members
2022 Committee Chair

Patriot League
Bucknell AD Jermaine Truax
Term Expiration: Aug. 2023

Pioneer Football League
Drake AD Brian Hardin
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025

Big South Conference
Robert Morris AD Chris King
Term Expiration: Aug. 2026

Big Sky Conference
Montana AD Kent Haslam
Term Expiration: Aug. 2024

Southern Conference
Chattanooga AD Mark Wharton
Term Expiration: Aug. 2026

Missouri Valley Football Conference
North Dakota State AD Matt Larsen
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025

Colonial Athletic Association
Stony Brook AD Shawn Heilbron
Term Expiration: Aug. 2026

Southland Conference
Houston Christian AD Steve Moniaci
Term Expiration: Aug. 2023

Ohio Valley Conference
Eastern Illinois AD Tom Michael
Term Expiration: Aug. 2024

Northeast Conference
CCSU AD Thomas Pincince
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025

ASUN-WAC
Eastern Kentucky AD Matt Roan
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025

[FUBeAR]

It might have been posted earlier, but it is important to know who was making these decisions. Many probably already know this, but some may not. Here are the members of the committee.

FCS Playoff Committee Members
2022 Committee Chair

Patriot League
Bucknell AD Jermaine Truax
Term Expiration: Aug. 2023

Pioneer Football League
Drake AD Brian Hardin
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025

Big South Conference
Robert Morris AD Chris King
Term Expiration: Aug. 2026

Big Sky Conference
Montana AD Kent Haslam
Term Expiration: Aug. 2024

Southern Conference
Chattanooga AD Mark Wharton
Term Expiration: Aug. 2026

Missouri Valley Football Conference
North Dakota State AD Matt Larsen
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025

Colonial Athletic Association
Stony Brook AD Shawn Heilbron
Term Expiration: Aug. 2026

Southland Conference
Houston Christian AD Steve Moniaci
Term Expiration: Aug. 2023

Ohio Valley Conference
Eastern Illinois AD Tom Michael
Term Expiration: Aug. 2024

Northeast Conference
CCSU AD Thomas Pincince
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025

ASUN-WAC
Eastern Kentucky AD Matt Roan
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025
Can you post their home addresses?

https://img.memegenerator.net/instances/52504417.jpg

[caribbeanhen]

Can you post their home addresses?

https://img.memegenerator.net/instances/52504417.jpg


I would send em all a thank you note

[FUBeAR]

I would send em all a thank you note
Y’all, obviously, already sent ‘em a bunch of bags

[lucchesicourt]

Now some honesty. Whoever guarantees the most money is in! That is what FAMU probably was trying to imply that they knew the result beforehand. Can't think of any other way to know before the games are played.

[FUBeAR]

Check out the comments from the rep from Bucknell that was on the committee, he basically stated that money talked in this whole thing. I am going to say it, Montana bought their way into the playoffs.
Not just the Bucknell Rep - He’s the Committee Chair … why else would we have 2 PL Teams in the Playoffs?

[taper]

"@Lucas_Semb
Now for the bidding process. 

He was more honest than I expected.

“I can’t share the number (that UM bid), but what I can tell you is that yes, it does factor in … but it’s not the primary factor. But yes, we’re looking at how much they are willing to guarantee.”
Link: https://twitter.com/Lucas_Semb/status/1594505369828864000?t=Zz5J5JXY2nGVpYWI-0uhfA&s=19

Came across a series of tweets from this Tweeter (is that what we call these people)? Is he insinuating that the bids play a factor in the selection process?

It would be refreshing if the committee had more transparency into this process. They should rate all teams in contention for a spot at least 3 weeks out. That would hopefully give everyone an indication of who is in good shape vs on bubble so there isn't so much head scratching following the announcement. They should publish or disclose what data they look at (do they look at Massey)? Are bids actually discussed? If so is that why two well known fan bases like Montana and Delaware getting awarded bubble bids?

Listen, had YSU not blown the UND or MSU games, we would be in. But I do think after following this process over the years some reforms would be refreshing!
Was he discussing "selection" or "bidding"? Bidding is who hosts the game once the field is set. Money has always been a big part of this, never tried to hide it. Allegedly the bids remain sealed until after selection. Obviously Montana will have a huge bid, I'm guessing Weber/UND was closer.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Check out the comments from the rep from Bucknell that was on the committee, he basically stated that money talked in this whole thing. I am going to say it, Montana bought their way into the playoffs.

If people don't think ESPN sees value, significant value, in one of the Montana schools becoming FBS they're kidding themselves. Taking it a step further, if you do not believe there are serious sales pitches being made in 2022 you're kidding yourself. The amount of money/influential individuals flowing through the state these days is crazy.

Montana got in because FCS/ESPN wanted the "theater" they provide. Especially on the heels of CollegeGameday. It's an extremely worthy, valuable attribute in today's world.....

I love the Montana schools and the state. What is going here is clear as day if one digs a little to connect the dots imo....

[POD Knows]

Not just the Bucknell Rep - He’s the Committee Chair … why else would we have 2 PL Teams in the Playoffs?
I deleted this post because I wanted to include some information as a couple of those quotes regarding a specific teams OOC games was comical. I am sure the committee didn’t know what Montanas bid would be but if you looked at the remaining bubble teams it was a no brainer. Honestly, these last couple spots in the playoffs is a coin flip but my gut tells me that the money Montana has and their “potential” bid did affect the result.

[Professor Chaos]

If people don't think ESPN sees value, significant value, in one of the Montana schools becoming FBS they're kidding themselves. Taking it a step further, if you do not believe there are serious sales pitches being made in 2022 you're kidding yourself. The amount of money/influential individuals flowing through the state these days is crazy.

Montana got in because FCS/ESPN wanted the "theater" they provide. Especially on the heels of CollegeGameday. It's an extremely worthy, valuable attribute in today's world.....

I love the Montana schools and the state. What is going here is clear as day if one digs a little to connect the dots imo....
Well, so far the AGS Poll and STATS Poll consensus also had Montana in the field and I'd expect the Coaches Poll will as well. I understand that money and reputation play a role but the average AGS and STATS Poll voter doesn't give a rip about "theater" and, as a collective, they have Montana in the field as well.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Not just the Bucknell Rep - He’s the Committee Chair … why else would we have 2 PL Teams in the Playoffs?

Because they are worthy. Are you saying under no premise the PL should have 2 teams? If not, under what metric would the league be worthy of 2 teams? I mean it happens about twice a decade. Lehigh went 10-1 in 2012 after being a Top 15 team in 2010 and a Top 10 team in 2011 yet did not get a bid. Please...

Fordham gets in no matter who the committee chair is.

[JacksFan40]

Not just the Bucknell Rep - He’s the Committee Chair … why else would we have 2 PL Teams in the Playoffs?
Because Fordham and Holy Cross are very good teams who deserve to be in. It’s that simple really.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Well, so far the AGS Poll and STATS Poll consensus also had Montana in the field and I'd expect the Coaches Poll will as well. I understand that money and reputation play a role but the average AGS and STATS Poll voter doesn't give a rip about "theater" and, as a collective, they have Montana in the field as well.

I did not have Montana ranked. I believe people are just conditioned to accept Montana because their attributes/qualities transcend their play on the field. Their sphere of influence is extremely large. They've established credibility that goes well beyond the on-field performance and that is praise worthy.

I believe to a varying extent ESPN wants to ensure some of these teams maintain credibility in hopes they remain a valuable commodity like App State, Marshall, Boise State, JMU etc have at the G5 level.

There's research avenues to be had to prove or disprove this theory. I might dabble over the next few weeks because this goes into my interest of institutional positioning and the forces at play.

[POD Knows]

Not just the Bucknell Rep - He’s the Committee Chair … why else would we have 2 PL Teams in the Playoffs?
Also. Fordham and HC both deserve to be in the playoffs. I have zero issues with them being in.

[FUBeAR]

Because Fordham and Holy Cross are very good teams who deserve to be in. It’s that simple really.
Massey info…Fordham #37…best win over #52. Avg defeated FCS opponent rank is 95…right about Duquesne level.

So, the Rams, essentially, beat 4-7 NEC Duquesne 9 times to get their At Large bid…but FUBeAR did hear the Chair raving about what a really good loss they had to another Patsy League Team…whose average FCS win ranked 78…so they, essentially, beat 5-6 SWAC Team Alcorn State 10 times to win the PL and get their #8 seed. GTFOH.

Holy Cross, as Patriot League champion, deserves to be in the field. All else is BS.

[FUBeAR]

Also. Fordham and HC both deserve to be in the playoffs. I have zero issues with them being in.
Big fan of Duquesne and Alcorn State, too, are you?

[POD Knows]

Big fan of Duquesne and Alcorn State, too, are you?I have watched Fordham play, they lost by one to HC and a close loss to Ohio. They are a pretty good football team, I would have them ahead of both UND and Montana.

[Hammersmith]

Weber got the home game even with the lower bid. Committee basically created a 9th seed this year.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/und-missouri-valley-view-break-in-precedence-as-committee-chair-says-hosting-not-just-about-financials


FCS Playoffs committee chair Jermaine Truax said the committee elected to award the home playoff game to Weber State based on performance, rather than a financial bid.

"We're looking at several different factors," said Truax, a five-year committee member from Bucknell. "One is a financial factor. One is a team performance factor. One is a student-athlete experience factor. When we looked for North Dakota and Weber, everything was on par as far as the student-athlete experience, so what it boiled down to was financials and team performance.

"In this case, North Dakota put in a very strong financial bid. No issues. They put their best foot forward. Nothing wrong with the bid. It was a strong financial offer, although we don't disclose those numbers. Ultimately, what won the day was the team performance."

[FUBeAR]

I have watched Fordham play, they lost by one to HC and a close loss to Ohio. They are a pretty good football team, I would have them ahead of both UND and Montana.

Which one of these BIG Fordham wins, over Teams that finished 9th & 10th in their conference, impressed you the most?




Fordham
Opponent


SUNY Albany (https://masseyratings.com/cf2022/123)
48
45


@Monmouth NJ (https://masseyratings.com/cf2022/5023)
52
49

[taper]

Weber got the home game even with the lower bid. Committee basically created a 9th seed this year.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/und-missouri-valley-view-break-in-precedence-as-committee-chair-says-hosting-not-just-about-financials
Wait, the NCAA was willing to take less money to keep another team from having to go to Grand Forks? Wow. I'll be using this one in smack threads for awhile.

[FUBeAR]

Weber got the home game even with the lower bid. Committee basically created a 9th seed this year.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/und-missouri-valley-view-break-in-precedence-as-committee-chair-says-hosting-not-just-about-financials
OMG - Basically…the FCS Playoff Selection Committee does whatever the **** they want for whatever reason or for none.

https://i.imgflip.com/1wpcno.jpg

[abc123]

Weber got the home game even with the lower bid. Committee basically created a 9th seed this year.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/und-missouri-valley-view-break-in-precedence-as-committee-chair-says-hosting-not-just-about-financials

Like I said......


Oh just wait....