AGS Poll Top 25 - Week 8

[AGSPoll]

Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25
10/22/2007
(First place votes in parenthesis)
1. Northern Iowa (65) 7-0
2. North Dakota St. (28) 7-0
3. Massachusetts (2) 6-1
4. McNeese St. (2) 7-0
5. Montana (1) 7-0
6. James Madison 6-1
7. Southern Illinois 7-1
8. New Hampshire 5-2
9. Wofford 6-2
10. Delaware 6-1
11. Appalachian St. 5-2
12. Yale 6-0
13. Delaware St. 6-1
14. Richmond 5-2
15. Hofstra 6-1
16. The Citadel 5-2
17. Youngstown St. 5-3
18. Eastern Kentucky 6-2
19. Elon 5-2
20. Nicholls St. 5-2
21. Montana St. 5-2
22. Eastern Illinois 5-3
23. Grambling St. 6-1
24. Norfolk St. 6-1
25. Georgia Southern 5-2

Dropped Out: Cal Poly (17), Western Illinois (18), Eastern Washington (24)

Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): San Diego (43), Western Illinois (36), Cal Poly (35), Eastern Washington (27), Fordham (18), Alabama A&M (15), Holy Cross (14), Illinois St. (13), Central Arkansas (10), Villanova (10), South Dakota St. (7)

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Elon
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: Appalachian St.

[bcrawf]

Looks pretty good. Nothing sticks out to me as way out of line...

[bluehenbillk]

The top of the poll looks fine:

Too High: Wofford & Youngstown

Too Low: Elon & San Diego

[spelunker64]

Could you post records of the top 25?

[AGSPoll]

Could you post records of the top 25?
I will take it up with the Poll Committee. We did decide to not post points, but I'm not sure we discussed records. Thanks for the question. xthumbsupx

[AZGrizFan]

Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25
10/22/2007
(First place votes in parenthesis)
1. Northern Iowa (65)
2. North Dakota St. (28)
3. Massachusetts (2)
4. McNeese St. (2)
5. Montana (1)
6. James Madison
7. Southern Illinois
8. New Hampshire
9. Wofford
10. Delaware
11. Appalachian St.
12. Yale
13. Delaware St.
14. Richmond
15. Hofstra
16. The Citadel
17. Youngstown St.
18. Eastern Kentucky
19. Elon
20. Nicholls St.
21. Montana St.
22. Eastern Illinois
23. Grambling St.
24. Norfolk St.
25. Georgia Southern

Dropped Out: Cal Poly (17), Western Illinois (18), Eastern Washington (24)

Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): San Diego (43), Western Illinois (36), Cal Poly (35), Eastern Washington (27), Fordham (18), Alabama A&M (15), Holy Cross (14), Illinois St. (13), Central Arkansas (10), Villanova (10), South Dakota St. (7)

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Elon
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: Appalachian St.

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Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes". 3 Losses, with 2 being to U of A (I-A) and App State! They would WAX #'s 12, 13, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24---at a minimum. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

Voter need to pull their collective heads out of the azzes and start looking beyond just the gaudy records. TWO MEAC teams in the top 25? Two OVC teams? And just how much love can Nicholl's state continue to get for beating a 1-7 Rice team?

[Purple Knight]

Noticed that SoCon has jumped atop FCS as top conference. Big jump for Saragin compared to the last couple of years.

(probably needs to br moved to Saragin thread)

[GannonFan]

San Diego should be ranked by now. I still think they are not a playoff team because of their AD going with that schedule, but they are good.

Why the big gap between Norfolk St and Delaware St? Norfolk St has played the tougher schedule (Rutgers is much better than Kent St and NSU has already beaten Hampton and SC St.).

[spelunker64]

I will take it up with the Poll Committee. We did decide to not post points, but I'm not sure we discussed records. Thanks for the question. xthumbsupx

Thanks, I'm not a voter, just because I don't follow the rest of the FCS enough to give a fair judgement, but it would be interesting to compare...

[TexasTerror]

Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes". 3 Losses, with 2 being to U of A (I-A) and App State! They would WAX #'s 12, 13, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24---at a minimum. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

They would need to receive five votes minimum to make the 'ARV' cut...


Voter need to pull their collective heads out of the azzes and start looking beyond just the gaudy records. TWO MEAC teams in the top 25? Two OVC teams? And just how much love can Nicholl's state continue to get for beating a 1-7 Rice team?

What's wrong with two MEAC schools in the top 25? Nicholls St played closer to McNeese than the score indicated and has only losses to Nevada and McNeese this season...folks who have watched them know who they are and what they are capable of...

[CatFan22]

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Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes". 3 Losses, with 2 being to U of A (I-A) and App State! They would WAX #'s 12, 13, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24---at a minimum. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

Voter need to pull their collective heads out of the azzes and start looking beyond just the gaudy records. TWO MEAC teams in the top 25? Two OVC teams? And just how much love can Nicholl's state continue to get for beating a 1-7 Rice team?

I will agree with you. I had NAU in my top 25 as well. The AGS poll is really losing credibility to me. Hofstra only moves down to 15 after getting manhandled? MSU only moves up 1? And why is Elon still way down at 19 and they get most significant win?

[AGSPoll]

Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes".
It takes five voters to have a team in their ballot to get them in the 'ORV' category. This prevents one person from possibly inserting their team in the poll. xthumbsupx

[GannonFan]

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Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes". 3 Losses, with 2 being to U of A (I-A) and App State! They would WAX #'s 12, 13, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24---at a minimum. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

Voter need to pull their collective heads out of the azzes and start looking beyond just the gaudy records. TWO MEAC teams in the top 25? Two OVC teams? And just how much love can Nicholl's state continue to get for beating a 1-7 Rice team?


At least NAU will have their chance to prove their worth - Montana, Montana St, and EWU is their remaining schedule. They win next week then they are in the poll easily.

[AGSPoll]

I will agree with you. I had NAU in my top 25 as well. The AGS poll is really losing credibility to me. Hofstra only moves down to 15 after getting manhandled? MSU only moves up 1? And why is Elon still way down at 19 and they get most significant win?
Thanks for your input, but the AGS Poll has been the most accurate of the polls since its inception. We think it is pretty good. xthumbsupx

[ereiz03]

I can understand why some don't want San Diego in the playoffs, but I think that they are easily one of the Top 25 teams....probably even Top 15-20.

[CatFan22]

Thanks for your input, but the AGS Poll has been the most accurate of the polls since its inception. We think it is pretty good. xthumbsupx

I agree it's been the most accurate, but only of recent years. I haven't been very impressed this year. But, who knows, my opinion could turn right around in a week or 2.

[andy7171]

At least NAU will have their chance to prove their worth - Montana, Montana St, and EWU is their remaining schedule. They win next week then they are in the poll easily.

Agreed I have them right at the cusp along with Grambling, Dayton and USD. AS for Elon, I had them last week at #24, this week at #14. Lots of teams ahead of them are winning games too. If they keep winning, they'll be there in the end. Arguing who deserves to be where between 15 and 30 is hard, but slowly fine tuning itself out.

[JDC325]

I am sure of one thing the SoCon is strong this year and the GSU team that played Saturday is a lot more dangerous than a #25 ranking. Introducing MR. SOCON FRESHMAN of the week BILLY LOWE!!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

San Diego made my poll for the first time this year, mostly due to the lower-echelon teams getting waxed so badly. They barely eked out over Jacksonville State, who will probably make my poll the next time a Top 25 team gets whacked (probably Youngstown).

I thought a lot about Northern Arizona, and I am watching them closely. They have a brutal schedule, but incredibly if they win out they will take the Big Sky autobid. They may just do it.

[AGSPoll]

I agree it's been the most accurate, but only of recent years.
This is only our fourth year and we're 3 for 3 in the past. xsmiley_wix xthumbsupx

[gophoenix]

This is only our fourth year and we're 3 for 3 in the past. xsmiley_wix xthumbsupx

I'd like to see one thing with the poll. Like the coach's poll lists the coaches that vote. How about listing the school by school breakdown of the voters for the poll.

[AZGrizFan]

At least NAU will have their chance to prove their worth - Montana, Montana St, and EWU is their remaining schedule. They win next week then they are in the poll easily.

Yeah, well that doesn't explain why they're not there now. They've already proved their worth. Much more than about 10 of the teams currently IN the top 25. xnodx xnodx xnodx

[AGSPoll]

I'd like to see one thing with the poll. Like the coach's poll lists the coaches that vote. How about listing the school by school breakdown of the voters for the poll.
Thank you for your suggestion. We do not publish any data on the composition of the voters. We let the poll stand on its own. xpeacex

[AZGrizFan]

What's wrong with two MEAC schools in the top 25? Nicholls St played closer to McNeese than the score indicated and has only losses to Nevada and McNeese this season...folks who have watched them know who they are and what they are capable of...

Because it's supposed to be who the best 25 teams are, not the best 25 RECORDS.

And I firmly believe the Nicholls St/McNeese game speaks more of McNeese's flaws than any strengths of Nicholls St. xpeacex

[gophoenix]

Thank you for your suggestion. We do not publish any data on the composition of the voters. We let the poll stand on its own. xpeacex

Well that sorta sounds like you have something to hide or that it may show some sort of bias.

[AZGrizFan]

Well that sorta sounds like you have something to hide or that it may show some sort of bias.

THIS place?



Get OUT!

xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx

[OL FU]

Well that sorta sounds like you have something to hide or that it may show some sort of bias.

If it helps, I participatexnodx









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[DetroitFlyer]

It takes five voters to have a team in their ballot to get them in the 'ORV' category. This prevents one person from possibly inserting their team in the poll. xthumbsupx


Why not two then? I do not think anyone can vote twice can they?

[Cocky]

San Diego made my poll for the first time this year, mostly due to the lower-echelon teams getting waxed so badly. They barely eked out over Jacksonville State, who will probably make my poll the next time a Top 25 team gets whacked (probably Youngstown).

I thought a lot about Northern Arizona, and I am watching them closely. They have a brutal schedule, but incredibly if they win out they will take the Big Sky autobid. They may just do it.


We haven't played San Diego. Our losses have been to Alabama State, Memphis, and EKU. We changed our starting QB for the EKU game and have seen great improvement.

As for NAU being better than EKU, I would love to put some money on EKU for that game. Bobby Washington would have a field day.

[AGSPoll]

Well that sorta sounds like you have something to hide or that it may show some sort of bias.
Again, we let the poll stand on it's own. Had it not been the most accurate poll since its inception, you may have a case for bias, but it has been and therefore can't be construed as biased. xpeacex

[appfan2008]

i had nau in my top 25 as well... that should have given them enough to make arv...

[AZGrizFan]

We haven't played San Diego. Our losses have been to Alabama State, Memphis, and EKU. We changed our starting QB for the EKU game and have seen great improvement.

As for NAU being better than EKU, I would love to put some money on EKU for that game. Bobby Washington would have a field day.


You must have some money burnin' a hole in your pocket then.... xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

[AGSPoll]

Why not two then? I do not think anyone can vote twice can they?
Same response, but make the one a two. Five is the number that was chosen. However, the Poll Committee is always up for suggestions and I will make sure this gets to the entire committee. Thanks! xpeacex

[AGSPoll]

Could you post records of the top 25?


I will take it up with the Poll Committee. We did decide to not post points, but I'm not sure we discussed records. Thanks for the question. xthumbsupx


Thanks, I'm not a voter, just because I don't follow the rest of the FCS enough to give a fair judgement, but it would be interesting to compare...
Done

Don't anybody go and get any crazy ideas like asking for the points or previous weeks added too. xsmiley_wix

[McNeese75]

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Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes". 3 Losses, with 2 being to U of A (I-A) and App State! They would WAX #'s 12, 13, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24---at a minimum. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

Voter need to pull their collective heads out of the azzes and start looking beyond just the gaudy records. TWO MEAC teams in the top 25? Two OVC teams? And just how much love can Nicholl's state continue to get for beating a 1-7 Rice team?

Working on that SOS are we??? I can understand why you would want them ranked coming into this week. :D

[AZGrizFan]

Working on that SOS are we??? I can understand why you would want them ranked coming into this week. :D

Dude, I am scared ****LESS of this game. Period. End of story. xeekx xeekx xeekx xeekx xeekx xeekx

[McNeese75]

Because it's supposed to be who the best 25 teams are, not the best 25 RECORDS.

And I firmly believe the Nicholls St/McNeese game speaks more of McNeese's flaws than any strengths of Nicholls St. xpeacex

xlolx Your just scared the Griz are going to have to travel this year xnodx

[McNeese75]

Dude, I am scared ****LESS of this game. Period. End of story. xeekx xeekx xeekx xeekx xeekx xeekx

:) Hey, I am just F&^Kin with ya. I understand about the apprehension of traveling to their house although I am sure the altitude will not affect the Griz like it would one of the flatlander schools.

[AZGrizFan]

xlolx Your just scared the Griz are going to have to travel this year xnodx

Actually, if things play out as I fear they might (losses @ NAU and @ MSU), they may get one home game, but that'll be about it.....

I HOPE that's not the case, but I can certainly see that on the horizon... xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx

[AZGrizFan]

:) Hey, I am just F&^Kin with ya. I understand about the apprehension of traveling to their house although I am sure the altitude will not affect the Griz like it would one of the flatlander schools.

I'm here to tell you----yeah, the Griz play at about 3200 ft....but when you get to 6,000 it's just damned hard to breath unless you live there. The only way to get truly acclimated to THAT kind of elevation is to get ther about NOW. And since that ain't happening, the elevation WILL have an effect. It hasn't hurt us in recent years (well except 1997), but this is a different dynamic this year.... xeekx xeekx xeekx

[CCU97]

AZ Griz, I see your point on NAU's losses....However, what you fail to discuss is that they haven't beaten anyone with a winning record yet either....Portland State 2-5, Idaho St. 3-4, Weber St. 2-5, Northern Col. 0fer, and W. New Mexico...DII........and several of these games have been very close....that is why they aren't in my poll.....I considered them and found teams that have actually beaten someone to place in the poll.

[R.A.]

DSU plays SCSU for SCSU's homecoming this weekend.

and

Howard plays NSU for NSU's homecoming this weekend live on ESPNU at 1pm.

[AZGrizFan]

AZ Griz, I see your point on NAU's losses....However, what you fail to discuss is that they haven't beaten anyone with a winning record yet either....Portland State 2-5, Idaho St. 3-4, Weber St. 2-5, Northern Col. 0fer, and W. New Mexico...DII........and several of these games have been very close....that is why they aren't in my poll.....I considered them and found teams that have actually beaten someone to place in the poll.

Who, exactly, has Hofstra beaten? xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx

Or are they not IN your poll? xeyebrowx

[appfan2008]

Hofstra aint beat anybody but... they only have one loss...

[AZGrizFan]

Hofstra aint beat anybody but... they only have one loss...

At the risk of repeating myself.....look beyond the records. xcoolx

[89Hen]

At the risk of repeating myself.....look beyond the records. xcoolx
Agreed. I have SUU in my Top 25... winning really isn't important, it's who you play and nobody has had a tougher schedule than SUU. xnodx

[Cocky]

You must have some money burnin' a hole in your pocket then.... xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

No I just like to win.

NAU is a team that loss to Sac State (their only win). The FCS teams they have beaten have won a total of 7 games.

EKU has only loss to Kentucky and Western Kentucky. The teams they have beaten have a total of 19 FCS wins.

[CCU97]

Furman 3-4, Albany 4-3, Rhode Islan 1-6, Stoney Brook 4-4, Maine 1-6 and Towson 3-5...and only 1 loss....

[dbackjon]

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Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes". 3 Losses, with 2 being to U of A (I-A) and App State! They would WAX #'s 12, 13, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24---at a minimum. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

Voter need to pull their collective heads out of the azzes and start looking beyond just the gaudy records. TWO MEAC teams in the top 25? Two OVC teams? And just how much love can Nicholl's state continue to get for beating a 1-7 Rice team?

My ballot *censored*

NAU would easily win the MEAC or the OVC.

[GSUhooligan]

I don't have a problem with those three teams being in there, but NAU's placement is a little high. Also, being an NAU fan probably hurt your case.

[FargoBison]

My ballot was denied by 89Hen and the rest of the "committee" because I voted Montana #1, MSU #14, and NAU #17.

NAU would easily win the MEAC or the OVC.

That ballot does seem kind of homerish but probably shouldn't have been rejected.

[dbackjon]

That is at least three (I would have made 4) NAU voters - anyone else?

[dbackjon]

And Hofstra is vastly overrated.

And they will probably make the playoffs, since they don't have to face Delaware, James Madison or Richmond.

[dbackjon]

Now **censored*** is **censored**


(After *censored*).

[lizrdgizrd]

I have NAU on the outside looking in. They're my 26 or 27 team. xpeacex

[th0m]

And Hofstra is vastly overrated.

And they will probably make the playoffs, since they don't have to face Delaware, James Madison or Richmond.

And who do you face in your conference? Montana and MSU. Whoop-di-doo.


Agreed. I have SUU in my Top 25... winning really isn't important, it's who you play and nobody has had a tougher schedule than SUU. xnodx

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[HIU 93]

NAU would easily win the MEAC.

Drugs are bad, dude!

Attack the Whack!xlolx

[Cocky]

NAU would easily win the MEAC or the OVC.

I highly doubt NAU would win the OVC and probably wouldn't win the MEAC. The football played in those leagues is not quite as bad as most on AGS would like for you to believe.

[AGSPoll]

For the record, we do not disclose voters ballots, but the ballot in question was NOT rejected for too many Big Sky teams. That's all we can say. xpeacex

[bluehenbillk]

Now 89Hen is telling me that I will probably be banned from voting...

(After telling me earlier that my ballot would probably be accepted).

It's a Delaware conspiracy!! xnonox xnonox

[gophoenix]

Again, we let the poll stand on it's own. Had it not been the most accurate poll since its inception, you may have a case for bias, but it has been and therefore can't be construed as biased. xpeacex

I am not trying to stir the pot.... I am just wondering.

What do you mean, most accurate? I can say that about my own personal poll too, but that doesn't make it a true statement just because I say so.

[AGSPoll]

I am not trying to stir the pot.... I am just wondering.

What do you mean, most accurate? I can say that about my own personal poll too, but that doesn't make it a true statement just because I say so.
Over the three years we've been in existance we've had the most pre-season teams in the final rankings and the most teams from our final regular season poll in the playoff field, compared to the Sports Network and Coach's Polls. xthumbsupx

[Maroons]

We haven't played San Diego. Our losses have been to Alabama State, Memphis, and EKU. We changed our starting QB for the EKU game and have seen great improvement.

As for NAU being better than EKU, I would love to put some money on EKU for that game. Bobby Washington would have a field day.

Thanks for the love! Washington is really coming into his own this year as the player he probably expected to be coming out of high school as a Parade All-American. I hope it continues...

Am I right in remembering that JaxState's new QB is only a Soph?

[BisonBacker]

Yeah, well that doesn't explain why they're not there now. They've already proved their worth. Much more than about 10 of the teams currently IN the top 25. xnodx xnodx xnodx

I have them at #23 in my poll

[terrierbob]

Over the three years we've been in existance we've had the most pre-season teams in the final rankings and the most teams from our final regular season poll in the playoff field, compared to the Sports Network and Coach's Polls. xthumbsupx


You don't remember where Wofford was ranked at the end of '02, the "woofed" year, do you?

[OL FU]

You don't remember where Wofford was ranked at the end of '02, the "woofed" year, do you?

He didn't say dead on accurate, just most accuratexsmiley_wix

Of Course on the other hand if AGS has been doing this four years, then 2002 was one of those years

[AGSPoll]

You don't remember where Wofford was ranked at the end of '02, the "woofed" year, do you?
The AGS Poll only started in 2004. Had we been around in 2002, Wofford probably wouldn't have missed out because we would have tipped the scales in your favor. xsmiley_wix xthumbsupx

You were 11 in the Coaches and 14 in the Sports Network at the end of the regular season.

[Cocky]

Thanks for the love! Washington is really coming into his own this year as the player he probably expected to be coming out of high school as a Parade All-American. I hope it continues...

Am I right in remembering that JaxState's new QB is only a Soph?

Johnson is a Junior I'm sorry to say. He has really improved since the EKU game. Next year you will find him fun to watch when he comes to Richmond.

[AZGrizFan]

I highly doubt NAU would win the OVC and probably wouldn't win the MEAC. The football played in those leagues is not quite as bad as most on AGS would like for you to believe.

Here's a hint for you.....neither is it in the BSC.

Just food for thought. xnodx xnodx xnodx

[AZGrizFan]

I have them at #23 in my poll

And I think I had them at #21.

[Grizo406]

I'm here to tell you----yeah, the Griz play at about 3200 ft....but when you get to 6,000 it's just damned hard to breath unless you live there. The only way to get truly acclimated to THAT kind of elevation is to get ther about NOW. And since that ain't happening, the elevation WILL have an effect. It hasn't hurt us in recent years (well except 1997), but this is a different dynamic this year.... xeekx xeekx xeekx

This game will be played inside, so the elevation really shouldn't matter, huh?!!?xlolx xlolx xlolx

[AZGrizFan]

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Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes". 3 Losses, with 2 being to U of A (I-A) and App State! They would WAX #'s 12, 13, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24---at a minimum. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

Voter need to pull their collective heads out of the azzes and start looking beyond just the gaudy records. TWO MEAC teams in the top 25? Two OVC teams? And just how much love can Nicholl's state continue to get for beating a 1-7 Rice team?


I will agree with you. I had NAU in my top 25 as well. The AGS poll is really losing credibility to me. Hofstra only moves down to 15 after getting manhandled? MSU only moves up 1? And why is Elon still way down at 19 and they get most significant win?


i had nau in my top 25 as well... that should have given them enough to make arv...


My ballot *censored*

NAU would easily win the MEAC or the OVC.


I have them at #23 in my poll

I'm starting to think it might BE a conspiracy. Here's 5 voters right here. Yet for some inexplicable reason, dbackjon's ballot was "rejected".

And don't get me wrong, BSC bashers....I'm not saying the Lumberjacks are worldbeaters, but they'd challenge most of the top 25 (just ask ASU), and in all likelihood BEAT 8-10 of them....and isn't THAT what the poll is supposed to represent? The top 25 TEAMS, not the top 25 RECORDS?

xpeacex

[AZGrizFan]

This game will be played inside, so the elevation really shouldn't matter, huh?!!?xlolx xlolx xlolx

You are so right, as usual. I retract my statement, embarrassed. :o :o :o :o :o

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Hofstra got to their ranking because their wins over Furman and Towson were more significant when they occurred then they appear today. Don't worry the Dutchmen's remaining schedule will resolve everything. They have Villanova, William & Mary, Northeastern (at Parsons!!) and UMass remaining. Another big loss this week might drop Hofstra more significantly than this week. Two losses is always more of an impact than one "isolated" loss.

If they make the playoffs, then they'll have earned it. Something tells me that at 8-3, that spanking at home by UNH will come back to haunt them. If they're 9-2 with only losses to UNH and UMass, that spanking might still haunt them if UNH losses at UMass. An 8-3 UNH team with wins at Marshall (still a FBS team), at Hofstra (decisively) and at home against Delaware is probably still a stronger "body of work" than Hofstra will have. JMHO but UNH's road losses would more than match Hofstra's home losses while UNH's wins would be more impressive than Hofstra's unless in the last four weeks Villanova/W&M go on a tear or Delaware/JMU go on a losing skid.

[AZGrizFan]

Hofstra got to their ranking because their wins over Furman and Towson were more significant when they occurred then they appear today. Don't worry the Dutchmen's remaining schedule will resolve everything. They have Villanova, William & Mary, Northeastern (at Parsons!!) and UMass remaining. Another big loss this week might drop Hofstra more significantly than this week. Two losses is always more of an impact than one "isolated" loss.

If they make the playoffs, then they'll have earned it. Something tells me that at 8-3, that spanking at home by UNH will come back to haunt them. If they're 9-2 with only losses to UNH and UMass, that spanking might still haunt them if UNH losses at UMass. An 8-3 UNH team with wins at Marshall (still a FBS team), at Hofstra (decisively) and at home against Delaware is probably still a stronger "body of work" than Hofstra will have. JMHO but UNH's road losses would more than match Hofstra's home losses while UNH's wins would be more impressive than Hofstra's unless in the last four weeks Villanova/W&M go on a tear or Delaware/JMU go on a losing skid.

If Hofstra gets in at 8-3 (and losing their only two tough games, at least one (so far) in a blowout) it'll be a national disgrace. xcoffeex xcoffeex xcoffeex

[McNeese75]

This game will be played inside, so the elevation really shouldn't matter, huh?!!?xlolx xlolx xlolx

Ahhh one of those pressurized facilities huh xlolx

[CCU97]

If Hofstra gets in at 8-3 (and losing their only two tough games, at least one (so far) in a blowout) it'll be a national disgrace. xcoffeex xcoffeex xcoffeex


I would agree...that would mean they lose one of the 3 lesser teams they have left on their schedule and that would knock them out as far as I am concerned.

[CCU97]

It still doesn't make NAU a top 25 team though....lol xcoffeex

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

If Hofstra gets in at 8-3 (and losing their only two tough games, at least one (so far) in a blowout) it'll be a national disgrace. xcoffeex xcoffeex xcoffeex

I think an 8-3 Hofstra, which assumes another home loss to UMass, will have a very difficult time getting a playoff bid because that also means a loss to Villanova, W&M or Northeastern. Some unexpected results would have to occur in the CAA South as well as elsewhere in the country for them to get a bid at 8-3 IMHO. I'm anticipating that JMU, UMass, Delaware, UNH and Richmond/Villanova would be ahead of an 8-3 Hofstra in a CAA "pecking order".

But there are still an awful lot of games to be played yet. Like most years, these games to be played have a way of sorting everything out.

[AZGrizFan]

It still doesn't make NAU a top 25 team though....lol xcoffeex


No, but NAU's performance does. xnodx xnodx xnodx

[GOTOREROS]

San Diego made my poll for the first time this year, mostly due to the lower-echelon teams getting waxed so badly. They barely eked out over Jacksonville State, who will probably make my poll the next time a Top 25 team gets whacked (probably Youngstown).

I thought a lot about Northern Arizona, and I am watching them closely. They have a brutal schedule, but incredibly if they win out they will take the Big Sky autobid. They may just do it.

San Diego beat Jacksonville Univeristy 62-23 on 10/20. Eeked out a win? Did you mean to refer to someone else when you said they eeked out a win? Are you thinking of someone else playing Jacksonville State??????

[citdog]

SAN DIEGO HAS AS MUCH BUSINESS IN THE TOP 25 AS THE FRENCH HAVE ON A BATTLEFIELD!

[USDFAN_55]

SAN DIEGO HAS AS MUCH BUSINESS IN THE TOP 25 AS THE FRENCH HAVE ON A BATTLEFIELD!

or as much business as a Citadel cadet in Mensaxnodx

[griz_fan_in_SanDiego]

San Diego beat Jacksonville Univeristy 62-23 on 10/20. Eeked out a win? Did you mean to refer to someone else when you said they eeked out a win? Are you thinking of someone else playing Jacksonville State??????

They did demolish Jacksonville, however I was present at the game and the peewee teams that played at halftime could have beaten Jacksonville. Now I'm not saying USD is not a good team because they are and I think they deserve to be in the top 25...however what I saw Saturday was not a football game it was a joke.

[Purple Knight]

Over the three years we've been in existance we've had the most pre-season teams in the final rankings and the most teams from our final regular season poll in the playoff field, compared to the Sports Network and Coach's Polls. xthumbsupx

The way most voters select the top 25, this result is bound to happen. Once the preseason is posted, team A usually moves up only if a higher ranked team loses and drops below team A. The result is most preseason top 25 are in the final poll. No doubt the playoff committee has a high regard for the AGS poll and greatly influences the selection of the at-large bids. As long as the poll voting and poll influence does not change, the AGS will beat the other polls as stated. (ie, on-field performance or lack thereof does not greatly influence the poll).

[kardplayer]

The way most voters select the top 25, this result is bound to happen. Once the preseason is posted, team A usually moves up only if a higher ranked team loses and drops below team A. The result is most preseason top 25 are in the final poll. No doubt the playoff committee has a high regard for the AGS poll and greatly influences the selection of the at-large bids. As long as the poll voting and poll influence does not change, the AGS will beat the other polls as stated. (ie, on-field performance or lack thereof does not greatly influence the poll).

Not so sure I agree with your logic here...


The way most voters select the top 25, this result is bound to happen. Once the preseason is posted, team A usually moves up only if a higher ranked team loses and drops below team A. The result is most preseason top 25 are in the final poll.

Why would this be more true than it is in the Sports Network poll, the Coaches poll, etc.? They probably vote using the same process you described. Also, the lists are usually pretty similar at the end of the year (maybe one or two team differences, max) so this doesn't really hold up.


No doubt the playoff committee has a high regard for the AGS poll and greatly influences the selection of the at-large bids.

As much as I think we have a great thing, I just don't see the selection committee saying "I wonder what the AGS pollsters would do?"


(ie, on-field performance or lack thereof does not greatly influence the poll).
Seriously? If on-field performance didn't greatly influence the poll, it would look a lot different...

[terrierbob]

The AGS Poll only started in 2004. Had we been around in 2002, Wofford probably wouldn't have missed out because we would have tipped the scales in your favor. xsmiley_wix xthumbsupx

You were 11 in the Coaches and 14 in the Sports Network at the end of the regular season.

OK. I like this poll now.

2002 helped me understand that "just because I was paranoid didn't mean they weren't out to get us". * xnutsx


*(author unknown)

[JALMOND]

SAN DIEGO HAS AS MUCH BUSINESS IN THE TOP 25 AS THE FRENCH HAVE ON A BATTLEFIELD!

Just like Yale has any business being close to top 25.

[McTailGator]

SAN DIEGO HAS AS MUCH BUSINESS IN THE TOP 25 AS THE FRENCH HAVE ON A BATTLEFIELD!

xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox

I surrender!

[Uncle Buck]

If Hofstra gets in at 8-3 (and losing their only two tough games, at least one (so far) in a blowout) it'll be a national disgrace. xcoffeex xcoffeex xcoffeex

Don't worry, we're not stealing a playoff spot from a BSC school. HU will more than likely finish with at least three L's and that would definitely keep them home.

But i ask you this, what if they lose to UNH and UMass but end up 9-2? xthumbsupx

We did get whacked this week but christ, we didn't help our cause with 10+ dropped balls on offense and just a horrific gameplan. 475 yards of offense and 3 points, mind boggling. xsmhx

[blukeys]

Just like Yale has any business being close to top 25.

Jalmond, You make a good point. I have struggled more with Yale than any other vote. For the most part the only OOC teams Yale plays are the PL and that conference is in a bit of a down year. (YES, Colgate beat Towson, so what!!!)

The easy way out is just to ignore Yale since they are not in a playoff conference but that would be unfair to the players. Considering the undressing Hampton did of Princeton, one might assume the Ivies are in a down year as well but I have never assumed that one game should be the makings of evaluating an entire confernece.

I may just ditch Yale altogether as it is one of those anomolies that allows the unhappy to whine about their own lack of rankings. In short "YOu put Yale in this position and we are the ones who really belong there".

My personal view is that there are about 40 teams deserving of top 25 consideration and on Any given Saturday they could make a case for top 25 inclusion.

[AZGrizFan]

The way most voters select the top 25, this result is bound to happen. Once the preseason is posted, team A usually moves up only if a higher ranked team loses and drops below team A. The result is most preseason top 25 are in the final poll. No doubt the playoff committee has a high regard for the AGS poll and greatly influences the selection of the at-large bids. As long as the poll voting and poll influence does not change, the AGS will beat the other polls as stated. (ie, on-field performance or lack thereof does not greatly influence the poll).

Well, that's not how I approach it at all. I actually take the entire season into account each weekend. I've had Montana #1, 2, 3, 5, 8, then back to 5....And they haven't lost a game. It's based on their body of work. NDSU I started out at 5, then 4, then 2, then down to 6, then back up to 2 and they've stayed there ever since. THere are other, less obvious examples in my poll history as well....and 10 of my original 25 aren't even in my poll any more... xreadx xreadx xreadx

[JALMOND]

Jalmond, You make a good point. I have struggled more with Yale than any other vote. For the most part the only OOC teams Yale plays are the PL and that conference is in a bit of a down year. (YES, Colgate beat Towson, so what!!!)

The easy way out is just to ignore Yale since they are not in a playoff conference but that would be unfair to the players. Considering the undressing Hampton did of Princeton, one might assume the Ivies are in a down year as well but I have never assumed that one game should be the makings of evaluating an entire confernece.

I may just ditch Yale altogether as it is one of those anomolies that allows the unhappy to whine about their own lack of rankings. In short "YOu put Yale in this position and we are the ones who really belong there".

My personal view is that there are about 40 teams deserving of top 25 consideration and on Any given Saturday they could make a case for top 25 inclusion.

Quite possibly could be a regional issue as well. The west coast likes San Diego and would look for somewhere to place the Torerros in the top 25 as a "token representation". The east coast sides with Yale and would like to place the Bulldogs somewhere as well. Both can claim to be undefeated, yet none of the games either one plays can be a good indication of exactly how well they are playing. As you said, can you use Hampton's game against Princeton to determine if the Ivy is down? Can you use Drake's win over Illinois State to say the Pioneer is up this year? San Diego has to go on the road this week against Dayton, but is that a real test to see if they are a top FCS team? Penn took Yale to three overtimes, is that a true test of Yale's season so far?

You're right, objectively it is difficult to determine where Yale and San Diego belong, if at all. It would be unfair to take them out of the equation because they don't participate in the playoffs (excluding the slight chance San Diego has to make the playoffs this year). One could use the same reasoning not to vote for NDSU (now that would be crazy). I guess I look at Yale and see that they have played three road games and struggled in two of them, at Georgetown, who has won one game; and at Penn, who has won two (and one of those was against Georgetown). San Diego has a win over a FCS scholly, Northern Colorado, and has won convincingly at Butler and Valparaiso (both of those have no FCS wins other than Valpo over Butler). To me, both are about the same, therefore I don't see where Yale is (close to) a top 10 team and San Diego is under the radar. My poll, San Diego just cracked the top 25 and Yale really is not that far behind. Kind of like playing poker with too many wild cards. You're liable to miss the best hand.

[PantherRob82]

xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx

Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes". 3 Losses, with 2 being to U of A (I-A) and App State! They would WAX #'s 12, 13, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24---at a minimum. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

Voter need to pull their collective heads out of the azzes and start looking beyond just the gaudy records. TWO MEAC teams in the top 25? Two OVC teams? And just how much love can Nicholl's state continue to get for beating a 1-7 Rice team?

I've seen NAU play. That's why I'm not voting for them. xthumbsupx

[appfan2008]

I've seen NAU play. That's why I'm not voting for them. xthumbsupx

we must have seen different nau teams because i have seen them play as well and that is why i voted for them!

[AZGrizFan]

I've seen NAU play. That's why I'm not voting for them. xthumbsupx

You saw them this year? xconfusedx xconfusedx

[PantherRob82]

we must have seen different nau teams because i have seen them play as well and that is why i voted for them!

I saw them play NoCo. It was garbage.

[AZGrizFan]

I saw them play NoCo. It was garbage.


Yeah, I can see how 507 total yards and dominating the TOP can look like garbage to the casual observer....

[BisonBacker]

Like I said I have NAU at #23 but I don't base that on there play against UNC. I wouldn't use UNC as a basis for anyone as they are just flat out a bad team.

[PantherRob82]

Yeah, I can see how 507 total yards and dominating the TOP can look like garbage to the casual observer....

NoCo is terrible. NAU's QB and WR's looked weak. Yards and dominating TOP against NoCo means nothing. Bad passes that were not forced. Reminded me of WIU's QB this past weekend. Wide open recievers and no pressue and the throws were way off target.

[dbackjon]

I saw them play NoCo. It was garbage.


NoCo is terrible. NAU's QB and WR's looked weak. Yards and dominating TOP against NoCo means nothing. Bad passes that were not forced. Reminded me of WIU's QB this past weekend. Wide open recievers and no pressue and the throws were way off target.

You're joking, right??

And MY BALLOT was questioned???? xrolleyesx

[PantherRob82]

You're joking, right??

And MY BALLOT was questioned???? xrolleyesx

How many teams have you watched this year? A lot easier to tell who the top 25 are when you've seen 50+ teams. xthumbsupx

Edit: 64 teams to be exact.

[Liberty2005]

xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx

Was my ballot not counted?

I voted NAU #21---yet they aren't even listed in "others receiving votes". 3 Losses, with 2 being to U of A (I-A) and App State! They would WAX #'s 12, 13, 15, 18, 20, 22, 23 and 24---at a minimum. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

Voter need to pull their collective heads out of the azzes and start looking beyond just the gaudy records. TWO MEAC teams in the top 25? Two OVC teams? And just how much love can Nicholl's state continue to get for beating a 1-7 Rice team?


You know, I noticed that as well. NAU has been decent but there is no place for them in the top 25? Seems rather queer to me.

[GeauxColonels]

Nicholls St played closer to McNeese than the score indicated and has only losses to Nevada and McNeese this season...folks who have watched them know who they are and what they are capable of...
That's what I was thinking. Plus, Nicholls State was leading Nevada 10-0 in the game when our starting QB broke his finger. The game COMPLETELY changed after that. Also, I'm trying to figure out the logic of dropping Nicholls State so far when they lost to McNeese State by a pretty respectable margin, and most people say the game was closer than it seems, and not dropping Hofstra by nearly as much after getting absolutely WAXED by New Hampshire.

[Cocky]

That's what I was thinking. Plus, Nicholls State was leading Nevada 10-0 in the game when our starting QB broke his finger. The game COMPLETELY changed after that. Also, I'm trying to figure out the logic of dropping Nicholls State so far when they lost to McNeese State by a pretty respectable margin, and most people say the game was closer than it seems, and not dropping Hofstra by nearly as much after getting absolutely WAXED by New Hampshire.


You're in the wrong conference. Voters vote more on conference affilliation than a team's performance.

[AGSPoll]

You're in the wrong conference. Voters vote more on conference affilliation than a team's performance.
xnonox The accuracy of the poll would suggest you are incorrect.

[AZGrizFan]

That's what I was thinking. Plus, Nicholls State was leading Nevada 10-0 in the game when our starting QB broke his finger. The game COMPLETELY changed after that. Also, I'm trying to figure out the logic of dropping Nicholls State so far when they lost to McNeese State by a pretty respectable margin, and most people say the game was closer than it seems, and not dropping Hofstra by nearly as much after getting absolutely WAXED by New Hampshire.


You're in the wrong conference. Voters vote more on conference affilliation than a team's performance.


xnonox The accuracy of the poll would suggest you are incorrect.


I think what Cocky was trying to say was a blowout loss to a powerhouse from the CAA or Gateway or SoCon won't get you dropped as far as big loss to the leader of a "lesser" conference, like the Southern, because of the perceived (whether real or imagined ;) ) talent gap. People EXPECT you to get blown out by ASU. McNeese St., not so much. xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx It is that lack of respect for other conferences that causes a team to drop MORE when one top team loses to another top team in a "lesser" conference than when it happens in the CAA or Gateway, etc.

Hofstra gets waxed by New Hampshire, well they just had a bad day and they're still a really good team in a really tough conference. Nicholls State gets handled by McNeese St., it's "yep, I KNEW they were a pretender....DOWN THEY GO!!!" ***** ain't right, but it's the way 90% of the voters think.

[OL FU]

I think what Cocky was trying to say was a blowout loss to a powerhouse from the CAA or Gateway or SoCon won't get you dropped as far as big loss to the leader of a "lesser" conference, like the Southern, because of the perceived (whether real or imagined ;) ) talent gap. People EXPECT you to get blown out by ASU. McNeese St., not so much. xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx It is that lack of respect for other conferences that causes a team to drop MORE when one top team loses to another top team in a "lesser" conference than when it happens in the CAA or Gateway, etc.

Hofstra gets waxed by New Hampshire, well they just had a bad day and they're still a really good team in a really tough conference. Nicholls State gets handled by McNeese St., it's "yep, I KNEW they were a pretender....DOWN THEY GO!!!" ***** ain't right, but it's the way 90% of the voters think.


App gets beat by GaSU and dropped them like a steak from a mad cowxnodx xsmiley_wix

[AGSPoll]

***** ain't right, but it's the way 90% of the voters think.
If that were the case, then the poll wouldn't be so accurate. xpeacex

[AZGrizFan]

App gets beat by GaSU and dropped them like a steak from a mad cowxnodx xsmiley_wix

And yet, App State is just 2-2 in their last 4 games, and are still ranked 11th. Most other (read: non-CAA, non-Gateway, non-Southern) top level teams go 2-2 over a 4 game span and they drop like a ROCK. xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx

[lizrdgizrd]

And yet, App State is just 2-2 in their last 4 games, and are still ranked 11th. Most other (read: non-CAA, non-Gateway, non-Southern) top level teams go 2-2 over a 4 game span and they drop like a ROCK. xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx
We're special. xsmiley_wix

http://www.countrykeepers.com/images/church_lady.jpg

[OL FU]

And yet, App State is just 2-2 in their last 4 games, and are still ranked 11th. Most other (read: non-CAA, non-Gateway, non-Southern) top level teams go 2-2 over a 4 game span and they drop like a ROCK. xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx

I was speaking of my personal ballotxnodx



not the rest of you bozos:p xsmiley_wix

[AZGrizFan]

Actually, it's more like this guy:

At ASU, we're better than you, and we KNOW it!!!

[AZGrizFan]

I was speaking of my personal ballotxnodx



not the rest of you bozos:p xsmiley_wix

But, FU, we already KNOW you have a brain. You are in that 10% I spoke of earlier....along with me, and a select few others. xnodx xnodx

[89Hen]

And yet, App State is just 2-2 in their last 4 games, and are still ranked 11th. Most other (read: non-CAA, non-Gateway, non-Southern) top level teams go 2-2 over a 4 game span and they drop like a ROCK. xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx
That's probably because most other non-CAA, non-Gateway, non-Southern would be losing to unranked teams if they went 2-2 over a 4 game span. xcoffeex

[AZGrizFan]

That's probably because most other non-CAA, non-Gateway, non-Southern would be losing to unranked teams if they went 2-2 over a 4 game span. xcoffeex

Oh, you mean like Georgia Southern? xeyebrowx

[ball21]

Oh, you mean like Georgia Southern? xeyebrowx

Let's not compare schedule's ok! The SoCo is really good and tough, where as your "cupcake" schedule proves the very point that you can't even strap them up and play REAL teams!!

If we don't play well, we don't so what, but let's not hope we get our act together and see you in Tenn.

Maybe you can get a local high school team in the area to play against like you did against Fort Lewis! All our loses are to teams that are ranked in the Top 25 now!

GO APP

[Houndawg]

And yet, App State is just 2-2 in their last 4 games, and are still ranked 11th. Most other (read: non-CAA, non-Gateway, non-Southern) top level teams go 2-2 over a 4 game span and they drop like a ROCK. xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx

They wouldn't if they'd beat Michigan.

[HIU 93]

Let's not compare schedule's ok! The SoCo is really good and tough, where as your "cupcake" schedule proves the very point that you can't even strap them up and play REAL teams!!

If we don't play well, we don't so what, but let's not hope we get our act together and see you in Tenn.

Maybe you can get a local high school team in the area to play against like you did against Fort Lewis! All our loses are to teams that are ranked in the Top 25 now!

GO APP

Ahhh, young bulls.xlolx

[griz37]

If that were the case, then the poll wouldn't be so accurate. xpeacex

How can you tell the poll is accurate?

[mlbowl]

Maybe you can get a local high school team in the area to play against like you did against Fort Lewis! All our loses are to teams that are ranked in the Top 25 now!

GO APP

First of all...All our losses...oh wait...we don't have any, so what's your point? Oh and how's that local high school Lenoir-Rhyne doing?xrolleyesx

[ball21]

Ahhh, young bulls.xlolx

Your team will be luckly enough to even make the playoffs again..
Please Hampton, don't wish for more then you can handy!

Has ASU and Hampton ever played against each other and how many National Champioships does your school have...

Bring your team to Tenn..

[lizrdgizrd]

Your team will be luckly enought to event make the playoffs again..
Please Hampton, don't wish for more then you can handy!

Has ASU and Hampton ever played against each other and how many National Champioships does your school have...

Bring your team to Tenn..
xconfusedx

[AZGrizFan]

That's probably because most other non-CAA, non-Gateway, non-Southern would be losing to unranked teams if they went 2-2 over a 4 game span. xcoffeex


Oh, you mean like Georgia Southern? xeyebrowx


Let's not compare schedule's ok! The SoCo is really good and tough, where as your "cupcake" schedule proves the very point that you can't even strap them up and play REAL teams!!

If we don't play well, we don't so what, but let's not hope we get our act together and see you in Tenn.

Maybe you can get a local high school team in the area to play against like you did against Fort Lewis! All our loses are to teams that are ranked in the Top 25 now!

GO APP

If that comment weren't so stupid, it'd be incredibly funny. "The SoCo is really good and tough..." Why is it that when you get beaten by a conference foe, it's because your conference is "really good and tough", but when Montana struggles against a conference foe, it's because we suck and our schedule is a bunch of cupcakes? Georgia Southern (yes, the same team that lost to Chata-f7cking-nooga, for God's sake) beat you. They were NOT ranked prior to beating you. So, if GSU can lose to Chatanooga, but then beat ASU and get ranked, shouldn't NAU, which lost to Sac State but has a legitimate shot against UM, be ranked if they beat us?

For the record----Fort Lewis = Lenoir Rhyne. We've been down this road before. If not for the Michigan game, ASU's schedule does not break down to be that much more difficult than Montana's. So, get off your high horse, win a few more games, and quit obsessing about conference strength.

And finally, remember this: As big, bad, and tough as the SoCon is your second place team lost to OUR second place team - BAD - in the playoffs last year. If that doesn't speak volumes as to how "good and tough" the entire SoCon is, I don't know what does. Your conference is just like every other conference: One great team, 1-2 really good teams, 2-3 average teams, and a couple of stinkers. The mere fact that the deck is shuffled each year and you don't know WHO is going to be in WHICH of those categories doesn't make the conference any tougher....just perhaps a bit more interesting....

[ball21]

If that comment weren't so stupid, it'd be incredibly funny. "The SoCo is really good and tough..." Why is it that when you get beaten by a conference foe, it's because your conference is "really good and tough", but when Montana struggles against a conference foe, it's because we suck and our schedule is a bunch of cupcakes? Georgia Southern (yes, the same team that lost to Chata-f7cking-nooga, for God's sake) beat you. They were NOT ranked prior to beating you. So, if GSU can lose to Chatanooga, but then beat ASU and get ranked, shouldn't NAU, which lost to Sac State but has a legitimate shot against UM, be ranked if they beat us?

For the record----Fort Lewis = Lenoir Rhyne. We've been down this road before. If not for the Michigan game, ASU's schedule does not break down to be that much more difficult than Montana's. So, get off your high horse, win a few more games, and quit obsessing about conference strength.

And finally, remember this: As big, bad, and tough as the SoCon is your second place team lost to OUR second place team - BAD - in the playoffs last year. If that doesn't speak volumes as to how "good and tough" the entire SoCon is, I don't know what does. Your conference is just like every other conference: One great team, 1-2 really good teams, 2-3 average teams, and a couple of stinkers. The mere fact that the deck is shuffled each year and you don't know WHO is going to be in WHICH of those categories doesn't make the conference any tougher....just perhaps a bit more interesting....


And where was your team at in Tenn. last year.. That's right at home b/c they didn't make it .. Right ..
We struggled most of the game against GSU, but he don't complain about our schedule.. Don't even compare our schedule against your big tough schedule..

I would like to see us travel to your town during the playoffs and show you what we can do against your team . Let's see how we both finish up the rest of the season and go from there..

4 weeks will determine a lot!

[Cocky]

Does the SOCON even have a winning record against the OVC this year?

[FCS Go!]

Does the SOCON even have a winning record against the OVC this year?

Who cares? The SoCon is way tougher! Where was the OVC rep in Chatty last year. Crying in the stands....blah blah blah SoCon over all. xnutsx

[Mountain Panther]

And where was your team at in Tenn. last year.. That's right at home b/c they didn't make it .. Right ..


And how does the success of App State last year make this year's SoCon tough?

[griz37]

And where was your team at in Tenn. last year.. That's right at home b/c they didn't make it .. Right ..
We struggled most of the game against GSU, but he don't complain about our schedule.. Don't even compare our schedule against your big tough schedule..

I would like to see us travel to your town during the playoffs and show you what we can do against your team . Let's see how we both finish up the rest of the season and go from there..

4 weeks will determine a lot!

Where was your team in 2004? 2001? 2000? 1996? 1995? They weren't there, but it doesn't mean a single thing this year.

[Appaholic]

Ahhh, young bulls.xlolx

Young indeed....I'll sit this one out with you HIU....

xpopcornx xpopcornx

[Appaholic]

Your team will be luckly enough to even make the playoffs again..
Please Hampton, don't wish for more then you can handy!

Has ASU and Hampton ever played against each other and how many National Champioships does your school have...

Bring your team to Tenn..

Oops.....nevermind HIU......

[AZGrizFan]

Young indeed....I'll sit this one out with you HIU....

xpopcornx xpopcornx

Perhaps instead if sitting it out, you ought to consider purchasing a muzzle..... xnodx xnodx xnodx

[Houndawg]

And where was your team at in Tenn. last year.. That's right at home b/c they didn't make it .. Right ..
We struggled most of the game against GSU, but he don't complain about our schedule.. Don't even compare our schedule against your big tough schedule..

I would like to see us travel to your town during the playoffs and show you what we can do against your team . Let's see how we both finish up the rest of the season and go from there..

4 weeks will determine a lot!

Careful what you wish for, it ain't an easy place to play at.

[lizrdgizrd]

Does the SOCON even have a winning record against the OVC this year?
Jacksonville State - Chatty
Eastern Kentucky - WCU

Nope. Good job beating UTC and WCU. xthumbsupx

[katstrapper]

How is N. Dakota St. not #1? I honestly think they would beat the other 4 teams in the top 5. The Bison are good. They amass over 500 yds on a Big Ten program in their house? Come on. One more year of no playoffs and then the FCS better look out. This is definitely a strong program.xbowx

[lizrdgizrd]

How is N. Dakota St. not #1? I honestly think they would beat the other 4 teams in the top 5. The Bison are good. They amass over 500 yds on a Big Ten program in their house? Come on. One more year of no playoffs and then the FCS better look out. This is definitely a strong program.xbowx
Don't give the Gophers more credit than they're due. They're giving up 100 yards more offense than they're getting on average per game. NDSU is a good team and were favored to win that game. I think there's no doubt they're top 5 but it's not clear that they're #1. xpeacex

[Gil Dobie]

Don't give the Gophers more credit than they're due. They're giving up 100 yards more offense than they're getting on average per game. NDSU is a good team and were favored to win that game. I think there's no doubt they're top 5 but it's not clear that they're #1. xpeacex

I don't know that they were favored, I don't even think they are as good as last year team that I voted #1 until the playoffs. This year I have them at #3 until the defense starts holding the opponents score down. Maybe last years FCS teams were better all around xtwocentsx

Now if Minnesota pulled off a miracle and beat Michigan I might change my mind. xoopsx

[lizrdgizrd]

I don't know that they were favored, I don't even think they are as good as last year team that I voted #1 until the playoffs. This year I have them at #3 until the defense starts holding the opponents score down. Maybe last years FCS teams were better all around xtwocentsx

Now if Minnesota pulled off a miracle and beat Michigan I might change my mind. xoopsx
A G S xsmiley_wix

[Cocky]

Jacksonville State - Chatty
Eastern Kentucky - WCU

Nope. Good job beating UTC and WCU. xthumbsupx

Some members of the top 25 couldn't do it.