With App State losing, who is #1?

[Zangzigger]

1) Who do you think will be #1 when the new polls come out?
2) Who SHOULD be #1 when the new polls come out?

a) App State: They beat Michigan and lost to a ranked Wofford team on the road. 2-time national champions

b) Montana: Ranked #2 heading into this week

Defeated Southern Utah (0-3) at home 37-17
Defeated Division II Fort Lewis at home 49-0
Defeated Albany (1-3) at home 35-14

c) UMass: Ranked #3 heading into last week. National Runner-ups last season, defeated Montana in Montana in the Semi-Finals

Defeated Holy Cross (2-1) at home 40-30
Defeated Colgate (2-1) on the ROAD 35-17
Defeated Towson (2-1) at home 36-13
Defeated Maine (1-3) on the ROAD 38-7

D) Northern Iowa: Ranked #4 heading into this week

Defeated Division II Minnesota State-Mankato at home 41-14
Defeated I-A Iowa State on the ROAD 24-13
Defeated South Dakota State (0-3) on the ROAD 31-17

E) North Dakota State: #5 in the latest poll.

Defeated Stephen F. Austin (0-2) at home 28-19
Defeated Sam Houston State (2-1) at home 41-38
Currently beating I-A Central Michigan on the ROAD 44-14 in the 4th quarter

[CatFan22]

Not Montana. UNI deserves it.

[FargoBison]

What about NDSU 44-14 over a team that won the MAC last year and also a win over top 25 SHSU.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I think it's Umass.

[USDFAN_55]

My vote is for UNI.... especially after the hurting they are puting on Drake today.

[blukeys]

I've got Umass then UNI.

[slycat]

UNI seems like a good choice.

[Mr. C]

How about Wofford as No. 1? The king is dead (at least temporarily). Long live the king. The Terriers' only loss is to an FBS team.

[Jerbearasu]

I'd say UNI, Montana, SDSU, and UMass in that order.

[FargoBison]

I'd say UNI, Montana, SDSU, and UMass in that order.

That is NDSU, please don't call us SDSU.

[Mr_Meanor]

I think NDSU deserves it...they beat a very good SHSU team and then roll over CMU today 44 to 14. They are 3-0 and probably have played the toughest schdule out of all the undefeated teams.

[ASUG8]

How about Wofford as No. 1? The king is dead (at least temporarily). Long live the king. The Terriers' only loss is to an FBS team.

Nice try, but you can't swap positions with them and App. They have a great team, but not YET worthy of the #1 spot. I'd go with UMass.

[Hansel]

UNI-NDSU-Umass-Monte

[Grizaholic17]

okay, I truly believe that Montana deserves it regardless of strength of schedule. This is the best team we have put out in a long time!! Great things are to come my friends.

[EmeryZach]

#1 UNI
#2 UMass
#3 Montana
#4 ND State
#5 JMU
#6 UNH
#7 Wofford
#8 App State
#9 Southern Ill
#10 McNeese

[patssle]

I said it last week, NDSU deserves a higher ranking than Montana.

They more than well deserve it this week.

Montana beats CUPCAKES. NDSU beats QUALITY. Why on this green earth should Montana be higher.

[Nebuta]

1. UMASS
2. Montana
3. UNI
4. NDSU

[Sam Adams]

I think UNI deserves it and I sure as heck hope that UMass doesn't get it. If UNI wants to wear the bullseye thats just fine with me.

[Mr. C]

Nice try, but you can't swap positions with them and App. They have a great team, but not YET worthy of the #1 spot. I'd go with UMass.
Why not? At the very least Wofford should be ahead of all of the one-loss teams that all lost to FBS teams. Wofford should be No. 4 or 5 at worst. No one else in FCS had beaten App State in almost two years.

[skinny_uncle]

How about Wofford as No. 1? The king is dead (at least temporarily). Long live the king. The Terriers' only loss is to an FBS team.
Seven other teams have beaten the FBS on their schedule. I would have to go with one of them.

[Hammerhead]

I'll be a homer and pick NDSU for #1 since they just manhandled a FBS team with a Sagarin rating of 86 heading into today. UNI is my 2nd choice followed by Mass.

[No_Skill]

App should definately stay in the top 5. I'm struggling with how to place the top five without being too much of a homer.

[GABison]

I said it last week, NDSU deserves a higher ranking than Montana.

They more than well deserve it this week.

Montana beats CUPCAKES. NDSU beats QUALITY. Why on this green earth should Montana be higher.

You hit it on the head, patssle. Montana beats cupcakes, NDSU plays and beats 2 excellent FCS teams and a FBS team. A no-brainer IMHO.

[Montanan]

#1 UNI
#2 UMass
#3 Montana
#4 ND State
#5 JMU
#6 UNH
#7 Wofford
#8 App State
#9 Southern Ill
#10 McNeese


still to early for polls. that said, i agree with EZ. only...

#1 UNI
#2 UMass
#3 Montana
#4 ND State
#5 App State
#6 JMU
#7 UNH
#8 Wofford
#9 Southern Ill
#10 McNeese

[No_Skill]

You can easily make a case for NDSU over Montana, but not NDSU for #1. Now, when we get to Minnesota undefeated and beat them...

[skinny_uncle]

still to early for polls. that said, i agree with EZ. only...

#1 UNI
#2 UMass
#3 Montana
#4 ND State
#5 App State
#6 JMU
#7 UNH
#8 Wofford
#9 Southern Ill
#10 McNeese
I can't picture SIU dropping after a 58-3 win.

[AZBison]

The NCAA must really hate that NDSU is so good during the transition, makes their rules look arbitrary and meaningless. NClolA

[youwouldno]

MAC football isn't very good. NDSU is top 5 but #1 isn't obviously correct by any means,

[Shockerman]

What a crazy day. Montana is taking a page out of Bill Snyder's playbook and scheduling cream pufss in order to artificially move up in the polls. Guess what, it worked then and it is working now.

My top 5
1) UNI
2) UMASS
3) NDSU
4) Montana
5) App State

[blur2005]

The NCAA must really hate that NDSU is so good during the transition, makes their rules look arbitrary and meaningless. NClolA
The Bison can be in the playoffs next year, correct?

[Mr. C]

Seven other teams have beaten the FBS on their schedule. I would have to go with one of them.
I don't think you would put New Hampshire ahead of them (loss at JMU, defense played horrendously), or Nicholls State. McNeese beat a weak FBS (though McNeese is a fine team). Northern Iowa and North Dakota State not only beat FBS teams, they beat them pretty badly. Southern Illinois, not sure how to compare their FBS win.

[skinny_uncle]

The Bison can be in the playoffs next year, correct?

If they survive the Gateway.
xsmiley_wix

[FargoBison]

The Bison can be in the playoffs next year, correct?

Yes, we finally are eligable next year.

[AZBison]

The Bison can be in the playoffs next year, correct?
Yeah, next year, but how many years in a row can a team be in the top 5? I'm just frustrated since next year the Bison might not be as good, I guess we might be better, but who knows.

[No_Skill]

The Bison can be in the playoffs next year, correct?

Can and will. xsmiley_wix

[GGASU]

1.NDSU
2.UMASS
3.UNI
4.MONTANA

Giving up 42 Points againist Wofford is unreal! ASU might need to go undefeated the rest of the way to get back to a top 4 seed in the playoffs.

[Jerbearasu]

That is NDSU, please don't call us SDSU.

My apologies with that mishap. I hate losing and it always throws me off my game... I did mean NDSU. I sure can't wait for them to be playoff eligible!

[semobison]

NDSU, 13-1 the last 2 years with a one point loss to a Big Ten team on the road. 2 wins against FBS teams! What has Montana done?

[UNHWildCats]

im gonna have NDSU #1

[No_Skill]

1.NDSU
2.UMASS
3.UNI
4.MONTANA

Giving up 42 Points againist Wofford in unreal! ASU might need to go undefeated the rest of the way to get back to a top 4 seed in the playoffs.

Holy crap. From an ASU fan, no less.

[FCSFAN]

Why not App St staying at #1?

[FCSFAN]

lots of Bison koolaid! xlolx

[No_Skill]

Why not App St staying at #1?

Michigan did beat #10 Penn St. today. Maybe Michigan isn't as bad as all the ESPN talking heads would have us beleive.

[FargoBison]

My apologies with that mishap. I hate losing and it always throws me off my game... I did mean NDSU. I sure can't wait for them to be playoff eligible!

Its ok just be careful next time.

[ThreadStopper]

Put the Bisons #1 and I hope they stay there until they get to San Luis Obispo. Poly will need a win over them to make the playoffs.

[No_Skill]

lots of Bison koolaid! xlolx

No love from "the man"? Guess here comes all the "you've only beaten teams with losing records BS".

[No_Skill]

Put the Bisons #1 and I hope they stay there until they get to San Luis Obispo. Poly will need a win over them to make the playoffs.

The plural of "Bison" is Bison.

[CopperCat]

1. UNI
2. NDSU
3. UM
7. ASU
9. Woffie

[Eyes of Old Main]

Appalachian should stay in the top 5. This win should move Wofford into the top 10, but towards the bottom end of it.

It's too early for me to formulate my poll for the week, but bear in mind that Wofford was ranked pretty well so it's not like the Mountaineers got beat by a slouch so no reason to knock them down very far.

[ysubigred]

NDSU looks bad to the bone xthumbsupx Love to see em' line it up in the playoff's. Next year the NDSU team will get it's chance to run the GFC gaunlet xeekx

MY top 5;

NDSU, UNI, UMASS, Wofford, ASU xbawlingx

[Col Hogan]

UNI
UMass
NDSU
Montana

I'll figure out the rest later...Wofford definately moves big time...

[appfan2008]

UMASS has got to be my number one
UNI
Montana
NDSU
how about some love for Wofford at number 5 for me

[Appguy]

#1:NDSU
#2:UMASS
#3:MONTANA
#4:APP

I cant give the #1 to montana with their schedule so far.
NDSU has proven it with a FBS win and decisive FCS wins. Im still not sold on UMASS or UM this year.
Wofford should be #5- #7 at least

[appfan2008]

Where should APP fall to?

I will have them 6th right behind wofford at 5

[BisonBacker]

You can easily make a case for NDSU over Montana, but not NDSU for #1. Now, when we get to Minnesota undefeated and beat them...

I agree wholeheartedly. Montana will not be #1 or 2 this week in my poll.

[WUTNDITWAA]

UNI is my No. 1. App will fall to five or six, and Wofford is definitely in the top 10 with a bullet.

[BisonBacker]

NDSU, 13-1 the last 2 years with a one point loss to a Big Ten team on the road. 2 wins against FBS teams! What has Montana done?


Beat cupcake DII's at home, come on give them credit.

[Old Cage]

UMass has whupped four straight teams, averaging 38 points a game, but, as earlier poster pleaded: Please don't make us #1!

Waiting until we beat Boston College next week will be fine. xsmiley_wix

[HI54UNI]

1st and goal UNI

[appfan2008]

Beat cupcake DII's at home, come on give them credit.

sort of like ASU's Michigan, Wofford and NAU!

[appfan2008]

UMass has whupped four straight teams, averaging 38 points a game, but, as earlier poster pleaded: Please don't make us #1!

Waiting until we beat Boston College next week will be fine. xsmiley_wix

nope Ill give you number one and then we will see after BC... keep it close and I will keep you there

[Appguy]

you gota give the #1 to someone who has beat an FBS and undefeated in FCS - NDSU

[Reed Rothchild]

you gota give the #1 to someone who has beat an FBS and undefeated in FCS - NDSU

UNI as well.

[HI54UNI]

Backup QB Grace looking good

[Appguy]

true, I gave it to NDSU since they Beat a ranked FCS school along with a an FBS school. all this is gravy until further in the season though when we really see how good teams are. Im goin to the Elon game and I hope this is a decisive away victory.

On the plus side Michigan won which makes us look even better.

[EmeryZach]

On the plus side Michigan won which makes us look even better.

All that means is that Wofford is better than Penn State.

[X-Factor]

UMass has whupped four straight teams, averaging 38 points a game, but, as earlier poster pleaded: Please don't make us #1!

Waiting until we beat Boston College next week will be fine. xsmiley_wix


IF UMASS beats BC they are my #1 no question asked.

[Chi Panther]

Why not App St staying at #1?


This post should have been deleted.....xrolleyesx

[Tailbone]

No love from "the man"? Guess here comes all the "you've only beaten teams with losing records BS".

C'mon, No one is going to 'dis' the Bison.
I'm sure most folks feel SHSU is a quality program.....and I doubt that anyone will point out that Central Michigan has only won 1 game of the 4 they played - and that against winless Toledo. xwhistlex

Nice win nonetheless.

[BillLuc1982]

UNI
NDSU
UMass
Wofford
Appy

[BillLuc1982]

UNI as well.

And UNI beat a BCS conference team, too, not a mid-major. Gotta give a hand to NDSU, though, even though they beat a DIRECTIONAL MICHIGAN school.

[proasu89]

Holy crap. From an ASU fan, no less.

He speaketh the Truth. It's going to be very difficult to jump ahead. If we do win out we will have the "advantage of losing early and therefore passing someone who loses later in the season. The ball is longer solely in our court regarding seeding. If we don't play better than today then it's a moot point.

[Khan4Cats]

I go with
#1 UMass based on 4-0, 4 D-I wins (national runners-up, not sure how they haven't been #2 all year)

#2 UNI - 4-0, 3 D-I wins, all on the road including 1 FBS

#3 NDSU - 3-0, 3 D-I wins, 1 over ranked SHSU, 1 FBS

#4 SIU - 4-0, 3 D-I wins, 1 win over FBS

#5 Montana - 3-0, 2 D-I wins

followed by Delaware, Appalachian (they still are a dangerous team but I'm sure teams will love the possibility of avoiding a trip through Boone come Nov/Dec), Hofstra, Youngstown State, JMU, UNH, and Wofford all getting top 10 consideration.

[Proud Griz Man]

UNI
NDSU
UMass
Wofford
Appy

What? Are you drunk? Am I to understand that you drop Montana out of the top 5 after winning today? xoopsx

I think the Griz could drop to #3, but don't see merit in dropping them to #6.

[BillLuc1982]

What? Are you drunk? Am I to understand that you drop Montana out of the top 5 after winning today? xoopsx

I think the Griz could drop to #3, but don't see merit in dropping them to #6.

Play some teams that are not cupcake and then we'll talk. Beat Michigan, Iowa State, or Appy.

[GrizFanIRAQ]

I see Montana staying put at 2, while Umass or UNI move to #1. I dont see montana dropping after the put nearly 600 yards offense on Albany(heavy favorite for NEC Crown).

[Ronbo]

What? Are you drunk? Am I to understand that you drop Montana out of the top 5 after winning today? xoopsx

I think the Griz could drop to #3, but don't see merit in dropping them to #6.

Good thing the Committee doesn't take this poll seriously Proud Griz Man. It's a bunch of internet message board posters. Until someone beats us there is no reason not to think we aren't as good as last year. Hauck always cruises in the early season and keeps the Offense and Defense as simple as possible as not to give the Big Sky foes complete looks at our plays and defenses. We have run maybe 1/3 of our playbook and we aren't even blitzing much. We've been on cruise control, we haven't even thrown a long pass till today, we threw one today. See you all in the playoffs when we turn it up and really bring the dogs and an 11-0 record.xnodx Vote us whatever you want because right now it means nothing. Vote us out of the top 25.xlolx

[FargoBison]

I see Montana staying put at 2, while Umass or UNI move to #1. I dont see montana dropping after the put nearly 600 yards offense on Albany(heavy favorite for NEC Crown).

Isn't Albany 1-3????

[swaghook]

NDSU looks bad to the bone xthumbsupx

Bad to the bone (http://195.186.65.217/sounds/domino_12_bad_to_the_bone.mp3)

[ncguitarplyr]

it's still app state...its not about what happened this week...im not that fickle...its about the overall package

we've won back to back championships and beat an FBS team ranked in the top 5 in the country

yeah we lost to a ranked FCS team...but I think our wins over northern arizona and michigan more than make up for that when comparing us to teams that (respectfully) haven't proved much yet

[BillLuc1982]

it's still app state...its not about what happened this week...im not that fickle...its about the overall package

we've won back to back championships and beat an FBS team ranked in the top 5 in the country

yeah we lost to a ranked FCS team...but I think our wins over northern arizona and michigan more than make up for that when comparing us to teams that (respectfully) haven't proved much yet

Right on, it seems like once Montana plays real teams in the playoffs, nothing happens. I mean, who do they play? St. Mary's School for the Blind?

[jpuetz]

Come on guitar player, App St lost today. They deserve to drop out of the top 4. UNI is the number one team right now. But I'll take the Bison over anyone, especially Montana.

[DuckDuckGriz]

You hit it on the head, patssle. Montana beats cupcakes, NDSU plays and beats 2 excellent FCS teams and a FBS team. A no-brainer IMHO.

That's weird I didn't hear many calling Albany a cupcake till after we beat them xcoffeex

And a "cupcake" schedule was not really the case last year, where we went to the semis and return most of our starters from that team. A just reason as to why we are in the top 5.

That being said though, I think UNI deserves the top spot, followed by UMass, Montana at 3rd, and NDSU at 4th.

[CopperCat]

That's weird I didn't hear many calling Albany a cupcake till after we beat them xcoffeex

And a "cupcake" schedule was not really the case last year, where we went to the semis and return most of our starters from that team. A just reason as to why we are in the top 5.

That being said though, I think UNI deserves the top spot, followed by UMass, Montana at 3rd, and NDSU at 4th.

Exactly.xcoffeex

[DuckDuckGriz]

Right on, it seems like once Montana plays real teams in the playoffs, nothing happens. I mean, who do they play? St. Mary's School for the Blind?

Wow really?

xconfusedx

So going to the semis 4 out of the last 6 years and the NC three times in that span is considering "nothing happening"

[DuckDuckGriz]

Exactly.xcoffeex

Exactly. Why. App State started 1.

The rankings start on last years' results and returning starters.

Try to keep up.

[patssle]

Exactly. Why. App State started 1.

The rankings start on last years' results and returning starters.

Try to keep up.

Maybe in week 1 or week 2. But we are in week 4. What does last year have ANYTHING to do with current rankings after 4 weeks of football?

[UNH 40]

I've got.

1.NDSU
2.Umass
3.UNI
4.Montana

[DuckDuckGriz]

Maybe in week 1 or week 2. But we are in week 4. What does last year have ANYTHING to do with current rankings after 4 weeks of football?

So Montana hasn't lost. What have they done to drop out of the top 5 ?

[blackfordpu]

it's still app state...its not about what happened this week...im not that fickle...its about the overall package

we've won back to back championships and beat an FBS team ranked in the top 5 in the country

yeah we lost to a ranked FCS team...but I think our wins over northern arizona and michigan more than make up for that when comparing us to teams that (respectfully) haven't proved much yet

It has nothing to do with what you did last year or last week. Polls are all about "what have you done for me lately?"

App. State lost and should drop but not necessarily out of the top 5, that is for the voters to decide.

If everyone went by your logic then most teams would never move from their spots after losses to top 25 teams. Using an FBS analogy, UM would have still played OSU for the "national championship" last year too.

[patssle]

So Montana hasn't lost. What have they done to drop out of the top 5 ?

Absolutely nothing. BUT, other teams have done MORE to DESERVE the higher rankings. Its not dropping Montana because of something they have done...its upping another school because of something they have done.

[FargoBison]

So Montana hasn't lost. What have they done to drop out of the top 5 ?

Its not about what Montana has done. It about what other teams have done.

[patssle]

Its not about what Montana has done. It about what other teams have done.

You stole my line! Thief!

[FargoBison]

You stole my line! Thief!

Hey, great minds think alike!

[DuckDuckGriz]

Its not about what Montana has done. It about what other teams have done.

That's a good point. But I don't think you can drop Montana below the top 5 because of that.

[blackfordpu]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, "Its not about what Montana has done. It about what other teams have done." xlolx

[FargoBison]

That's a good point. But I don't think you can drop Montana below the top 5 because of that.

I don't think they should be, 4th or 5th at least.

[BisonBacker]

I beat this Montana ranking subject to death with a poll last week. It now appears that people are starting to catch on. Of course a 44-14 A$$ kicking of last years MAC Champs at their house doesn't hurt either.

[Reed Rothchild]

UNI has had 1 home game this season so far and is still 4-0.

[SirApp]

UNI deserves it more, IMO. Montana will be the new number 1 (Not that they don't deserve it, but UNI has more marquee wins, that is all).

[DuckDuckGriz]

UNI deserves it more, IMO. Montana will be the new number 1 (Not that they don't deserve it, but UNI has more marquee wins, that is all).

I agree with that. UNI is my solid pick at #1.

[Gil Dobie]

I agree with that. UNI is my solid pick at #1.

Montana may move up to #2 on my poll.
Don't know if I will have NDSU in my top 5 yet. Win against a 1-3 MAC team with losses to Purdue and Kansas doesn't justify a big move.

[blackfordpu]

Montana may move up to #2 on my poll.
Don't know if I will have NDSU in my top 5 yet. Win against a 1-3 MAC team with losses to Purdue and Kansas doesn't justify a big move.

Wait, you are going to drop a 3-0 NDSU team out of the top 5 for BEATING a FBS opponent but you are going to move Montana up and they have someone named Fort Lewis on their schedule? Give me a break.

[Gil Dobie]

Wait, you are going to drop a 3-0 NDSU team out of the top 5 for BEATING a FBS opponent but you are going to move Montana up and they have someone named Fort Lewis on their schedule? Give me a break.

I had Montana #3 and NDSU #8 going into the weekend.
Both may move up depending the all the results this weekend.

[Mountaineer]

Mr. Dobie is sandbagging. xlolx :p

[Tailbone]

I beat this Montana ranking subject to death with a poll last week. It now appears that people are starting to catch on. Of course a 44-14 A$$ kicking of last years MAC Champs at their house doesn't hurt either.


xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox

This, after you tried so ardently to establish the irrelevance of what happened last year.
Like I said, you pick and choose what is and isn't relevant depending on whether it does or doesn't support your bias. xrolleyesx

[T-Dog]

I'll leave y'all to fight over the 1 position.

All it really does it add a bullseye on your back. Doesn't mean much in September.

[Mountaineer]

How I'd put it - although I think the Panthers, Bison, Minutemen and Griz all have legitimate claim to #1. xnodx

1 UNI
2 NDSU
3 Montana
4 UMass
5 San Diego

[BisonBacker]

Hahaha it works for you Montana Fans xlolx xlolx xlolx

[BisonBacker]

How I'd put it - although I think the Panthers, Bison, Minutemen and Griz all have legitimate claim to #1. xnodx

1 UNI
2 NDSU
3 Montana
4 UMass
5 San Diego

I actually was thinkning you were onto something until I saw San Diego at #5. Now I just think you've been drinking a little to much of the White Lightning.xnodx xlolx

[DuckDuckGriz]

Hahaha it works for you Montana Fans xlolx xlolx xlolx

TIME -- 2 minutes...


xrolleyesx


The Montana obsession continues.....

[blackfordpu]

How I'd put it - although I think the Panthers, Bison, Minutemen and Griz all have legitimate claim to #1. xnodx

1 UNI
2 NDSU
3 Montana
4 UMass
5 San Diego

I agree with the top four but don't know about your number five.

[DuckDuckGriz]

How I'd put it - although I think the Panthers, Bison, Minutemen and Griz all have legitimate claim to #1. xnodx

1 UNI
2 NDSU
3 Montana
4 UMass
5 San Diego


App fans hittin the 'shine after today's loss....

[Mountaineer]

Sorry guys. Repost:

How I'd put it - although I think the Panthers, Bison, Minutemen and Griz all have legitimate claim to #1.

1 UNI
2 NDSU
3 Montana
4 UMass
5 San Diego ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Better? :p

[Tailbone]

TIME -- 2 minutes...


xrolleyesx


The Montana obsession continues.....

Unprovoked animosity is the price of success.
Griz envy, the sincerest form of flattery. :D

BB has it worse than 'cat fans.

[Sam Adams]

Kind of hilarious to see folks dropping UMASS after we pasted Maine and App lost.

[BisonBacker]

Unprovoked animosity is the price of success.
Griz envy, the sincerest form of flattery. :D

BB has it worse than 'cat fans.

Not at all. I'm a fan of a team that likes competition not shy's away from it :D

[Gil Dobie]

Kind of hilarious to see folks dropping UMASS after we pasted Maine and App lost.

UMass will probably move up in my poll.

[DuckDuckGriz]

Not at all. I'm a fan of a team that likes competition not shy's away from it :D

I'm a fan of coherent sentences.

Go figure.

[Tailbone]

Not at all. I'm a fan of a team that likes competition not shy's away from it :D

Thank you, We don't mind additional fans.

2006 - Iowa, SDSU, CalPoly
2005 - Oregon, SDSU
2004 - Maine, Hofstra, SHSU
3003 - Maine, NDSU, SHSU, Idaho


NDSU Scheduled OOC

2006 - Concordia
2005 - Arkansas-Monticello
2004 - Carson-Newman, Montana tech, Valparaiso

[BisonBacker]

2006 NDSU OOC Schedule. You seem to like to pick and choose.
In all fairness NDSU only having 4 conference games we have a much larger/harder schedule to fill of OOC games but 2006 had these for OOC.

Northeastern
Ball State FBS
Stephen F. Austin
Georgia Southern
Mississippi Valley State
Minnesota FBS

So nice try to make NDSU's OOC Schedule look bad. I'd say our schedule was far and away harder especially given the GWFC schedule less SUU.

[GreatAppSt]

asterisk*1 NDSU
2 UNI
3 UMASS
4 UM

[BisonBacker]

Not to mention everyone of those but Northeastern was on the road. You had 2 of 3 at home in the comfy confines of wash griz. We only lost to Minnesota by one on the road. I don't think you want to compare schedules.

[Grizaholic17]

I said it last week, NDSU deserves a higher ranking than Montana.

They more than well deserve it this week.

Montana beats CUPCAKES. NDSU beats QUALITY. Why on this green earth should Montana be higher.

Do you know why we have cupcakes?? No one would pay us to play them...I think they got scared!

[rcny46]

1) NDSU

2) UNI

3) UMass

4) Montana

5) Appalachian St.

[Longhorn]

Nice try, but you can't swap positions with them and App. They have a great team, but not YET worthy of the #1 spot. I'd go with UMass.


I agree. UMAss #1. ASU stays in top 10.

[Appguy]

homer alert -
I still think app should be above Montana
would you rather win against 2 unranked and one Div 2 or beat 1 FBS top 5 and lose to FCS #13.
I think App should be 4 Montana 5 or at least montana 4 and app 5.

[ncguitarplyr]

damn I mean we lost a close one against the #13 ranked team on the road in front of a record crowd against a team playing the equivalent of their superbowl and you ask the people on this board and its like we lost to pensacola junior college in a blowout at home

[Hansel]

Do you know why we have cupcakes??

Because the Montana admin knows the fans will pay to see them

SUU, Ft Lewis, and Albany are now a combined 1-10.

[Grizaholic17]

Play some teams that are not cupcake and then we'll talk. Beat Michigan, Iowa State, or Appy.

Again, no one would pay us to play them. That's what happens when you kick butt for 14 years straight!

[BisonBacker]

Because the Montana admin knows the fans will pay to see them

SUU, Ft Lewis, and Albany are now a combined 1-10.

Even I didn't realize they were that bad xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx
How will Tailbone defend that.xeyebrowx

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

UNI...NDSU has a very nice win, but Central Michigan ain't no Iowa State.

[Grizaholic17]

App fans hittin the 'shine after today's loss....

So true. As ronbo I believe said earlier, all these fools can say what they want, but we will never drop below 4 and when playoffs come, everyone will be scared. The Griz are coming everyone!!

[BisonBacker]

Again, no one would pay us to play them. That's what happens when you kick butt for 14 years straight!

No that's what happens when you buyout contracts as opposed to playing a home and home or in the case of SDSU a two for one. SDSU visits you guys twice for one stinking return game. They play you twice on the Road and then you buyout the contract. Defend it if you will, yeah the buyouts in the contract so you can say you honored it but everyone in FCS knows that if they can schedule you they dam well better get the first one at home or forget it. Your AD won't sign a contract with a large buyout. Of course it's only Montana with Budget issues to figure out.
Back to the thread topic. I'd say UNI deserves to be #1. If not then NDSU.

[Grizaholic17]

No that's what happens when you buyout contracts as opposed to playing a home and home or in the case of SDSU a two for one. SDSU visits you guys twice for one stinking return game. They play you twice on the Road and then you buyout the contract. Defend it if you will, yeah the buyouts in the contract so you can say you honored it but everyone in FCS knows that if they can schedule you they dam well better get the first one at home or forget it. Your AD won't sign a contract with a large buyout. Of course it's only Montana with Budget issues to figure out.
Back to the thread topic. I'd say UNI deserves to be #1. If not then NDSU.

Ummm...budget issues no more my friend. We are rolling in the money thanks to the ingenious 7 home games or so that we get this year. And I'm talking about FBS teams not scheduling us. Word has gotten around.

[Proud Griz Man]

Hahaha it works for you Montana Fans xlolx xlolx xlolx


Be Honest NDSU fans, is it more difficult getting a win at a MAC school or at Cal Poly or South Dakota State?

My guess is .... the MAC is not quite as competitive as the GFC. xnodx

[Tailbone]

2006 NDSU OOC Schedule. You seem to like to pick and choose.
In all fairness NDSU only having 4 conference games we have a much larger/harder schedule to fill of OOC games but 2006 had these for OOC.

Northeastern
Ball State FBS
Stephen F. Austin
Georgia Southern
Mississippi Valley State
Minnesota FBS

So nice try to make NDSU's OOC Schedule look bad. I'd say our schedule was far and away harder especially given the GWFC schedule less SUU.

Sorry, I should have noted that the posted games were not a complete schedule. The posted games were not meant to be a comparison of schedules (apples & oranges) but to point out the fact that Montana has played its share of "tough" games particularly the FBS games from major conferences - which should dispell the notion that Montana is dodging the competition. The NDSU "cupcakes" were listed to illustrate the fact that even the Bison might be accused of schedule padding in any given year.

The bottom line?
We're not so different, nor is any other school above reproach.
This year (of the last five) our schedule might be fairly criticized, and many are taking the opportunity to do so.
I don't have a problem with calling our schedule what it is...weak, but fair-minded individuals ought to at least ascribe accurate motivation to the reason. Don't you agree?

[JDC325]

My vote is for NDSU.xthumbsupx

UNI close second.

[Longhorn]

[QUOTE=Mr. C;660128]I don't think you would put New Hampshire ahead of them (loss at JMU, defense played horrendously) [QUOTE]


xoopsx You supposedly were at the JMU/UNH game...but apparently you weren't watching it. UNH's defense did not play "horrendously"...they simply got beaten by a superior offense.

But point taken...UNH doesn't jump into the top 5, despite their win over Marshall.

[Reed Rothchild]

UNI has 3 DI wins on the road and 1 win at home against a D2.

[Grizaholic17]

I have posted way too much on this thread...but Montana has done everything expected of them. Today for example, we garnered 564 yards of total offense, with 281 yards rushing and 273 yards passing. Albany had 365 total yards in the game. Montana is on the move, and we are gaining steam. Say what you want, but know that Montana is running away from the pack. We will just play our game and let you guys fumble around on figuring out ways to put us down. Thankyou for your time!

[Tailbone]

Even I didn't realize they were that bad xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx
How will Tailbone defend that.xeyebrowx

I don't intend to try.
AFAIC, it's indefensible.

If this is a response to geo-economics and is anything but an anomaly, I'd support a move to FBS and closer, more profitable competition.

By the same token, Albany is respectable (and getting better), and even the mighty Bison might have second thoughts about playing SUU's schedule.

[BisonBacker]

Sorry, I should have noted that the posted games were not a complete schedule. The posted games were not meant to be a comparison of schedules (apples & oranges) but to point out the fact that Montana has played its share of "tough" games particularly the FBS games from major conferences - which should dispell the notion that Montana is dodging the competition. The NDSU "cupcakes" were listed to illustrate the fact that even the Bison might be accused of schedule padding in any given year.

The bottom line?
We're not so different, nor is any other school above reproach.
This year (of the last five) our schedule might be fairly criticized, and many are taking the opportunity to do so.
I don't have a problem with calling our schedule what it is...weak, but fair-minded individuals ought to at least ascribe accurate motivation to the reason. Don't you agree?

The biggest thing I take notion with is that "some" Montana fans think as long as you don't lose you shouldn't drop in the rankings. That's taking a limited view of the entire poll IMHO. If your ranked #2 and the 3rd and 4th place teams beat a FBS team or highly ranked FCS team when compared to you meeting neither of those two criteria then I don't think you should be able to stake a claim to that ranking. It's not just about who you beat but who the others have beat as well. In the end it really doesn't matter as we all know since it's all decided at the end of the season. I'll be the first to admit for that I am jealous and sad for our players who won't be able to compete when they so overwhelmingly deserve to.

[BigApp]

Dayton! DOWN WITH THE OLD GUARD!! xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[Pantherpower]

I have posted way too much on this thread...but Montana has done everything expected of them. Today for example, we garnered 564 yards of total offense, with 281 yards rushing and 273 yards passing. Albany had 365 total yards in the game. Montana is on the move, and we are gaining steam. Say what you want, but know that Montana is running away from the pack. We will just play our game and let you guys fumble around on figuring out ways to put us down. Thankyou for your time!


The "holic" to your handle is making a lot of sense with posts like that. Beating the sisters of the poor is not running away from the pack; it's doing what you should do against weaker competition.

Your weak schedule and sub-par conference (this year) will be Montana's undoing. The Griz simply won't be battle-tested.

This will probably be mistaken by some as me saying that the Griz are a bad team; quite the opposite. I THINK they're probably a pretty damn good team, but simply haven't faced competition that proves it.

[AZBison]

Griz have an amazing amount of talent this year, too bad they don't get to show it until the playoffs.

NDSU #1
Everyone else xhomerx

[FCS Go!]

1. N. Iowa
2. Montana
3. S. Illinois
4. App St
5. UMass
9. NDSU
12. Wofford

[Grizaholic17]

Griz have an amazing amount of talent this year, too bad they don't get to show it until the playoffs.

NDSU #1
Everyone else xhomerx

I have been reading posts now for a while, and have decided that I don't mind if the Griz drop down a couple notches, it just get us more P.O.'d and give us a reason to play harder. Griz are going to be top 4, but where, I don't know.

[HENJOHN]

Watch out for the Delaware Blue Hens.........we're sneaking up on people.:)

[Pantherpower]

Watch out for the Delaware Blue Hens.........we're sneaking up on people.:)

Agreed. Delaware, UMass, JMU all looking solid in the CAA.

[Retro]

NDSU looks like a good team, but a win over CMU is no more impressive than Mcneese's win over ULL.. Both are weak conferences overall and even a conference champion from either of those conferences gets manhandled by a lot of FCS teams... Also, NDSU beat a very bad SFA team and a SHS team that struggled againest Angelo state? SHS May have put up some points on them, but as usual they have no Defense, which will show how bad they are next week againest OSU...

Montana has beaten 3 weak opponents, but has beat them Convincingly..

App, beat michigan, but lost soundly to a Fellow conference mate. They drop to about #7 or #8..

Wofford move up, but not into the top 5.. You can't put them ahead of other undefeated FCS teams who have wins againest an FBS team, while they have a loss againest an FBS team..

UMASS has 4 impressive wins, but againest so-so competition. Not exactly murderor's row.

UNI, 4 good wins also and againest a FBS opponent who also beat a another FBS/bcs team.

I'd give the #1 spot to UNI at this point, followed by UMASS, NDSU, Montana , Mcneese and SIU.

[Tailbone]

The biggest thing I take notion with is that "some" Montana fans think as long as you don't lose you shouldn't drop in the rankings. That's taking a limited view of the entire poll IMHO. If your ranked #2 and the 3rd and 4th place teams beat a FBS team or highly ranked FCS team when compared to you meeting neither of those two criteria then I don't think you should be able to stake a claim to that ranking. It's not just about who you beat but who the others have beat as well. In the end it really doesn't matter as we all know since it's all decided at the end of the season. I'll be the first to admit for that I am jealous and sad for our players who won't be able to compete when they so overwhelmingly deserve to.

Why should you care what "some" Montana fans think?
Why should Montana fans care what you think?

Let me tell you a secret.
The polls don't mean anything. Only one poll matters.
The PSC poll at the end of the year (that determines seeding) is the only poll that matters because it determines how far into the play-offs you get home games (then, only for the top 4 teams - 2 actually). All the rest of this dancing is poppycock.

I think I know the real source of your animosity, It does suck that this team (seniors) will never get to play in the play-offs, and it may be a long time before you see another Bison team this good.
The polls are your validation, your championship - I feel for ya.

[patssle]

Speaking of Montana's scheduling, I like this quote from their AD


“They would love to play us in Boise. I think our fans would love to get that chance again. But they are an impressive program right now. That's not to take anything away from our program, which is outstanding.”

BUT??? Because they are an impressive program, that makes you have 2nd thoughts?

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2007/09/22/sports/zsports04.txt

[Grizaholic17]

Speaking of Montana's scheduling, I like this quote from their AD



BUT??? Because they are an impressive program, that makes you have 2nd thoughts? Chicken ass.

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2007/09/22/sports/zsports04.txt

haha, I love this. That is hilarious. Good work looking for that. I think it would be awesome to play FBS teams this year, we usually do...and ALL fans are upset with our schedule. But The AD pulled a genius move. I like where we are at. MMMUUUUAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAHHHHAAAA

[bjtheflamesfan]

I would actually pop NDSU to the top for this one...beating a I-A/FBS team soundly, and a quality win over Sam Houston State...I figure those guys oughta be rewarded.

[BisonBacker]

Why should you care what "some" Montana fans think?
Why should Montana fans care what you think?

Let me tell you a secret.
The polls don't mean anything. Only one poll matters.
The PSC poll at the end of the year (that determines seeding) is the only poll that matters because it determines how far into the play-offs you get home games (then, only for the top 4 teams - 2 actually). All the rest of this dancing is poppycock.

I think I know the real source of your animosity, It does suck that this team (seniors) will never get to play in the play-offs, and it may be a long time before you see another Bison team this good.The polls are your validation, your championship - I feel for ya.

I don't think I'd go that far. Look at one of my previous posts. Good teams reload. NDSU is a good team. Yes we will graduate a lot of good players but we have more good ones coming up. Will they be as good? Only time will tell

[furpal87]

I'm still working on my #1 pick, so I can't answer, leaning toward UNI, but not sure.

A couple of notes:
1) Scheduling: I bet it is hard for Montana to schedule other teams, but it doesn't look like you tried hard this year. I also know how hard App. State had to work. They put together an interesting schedule with 1 FBS school, 1 Big Sky school (Yes, I know weak conference!!), a Big South school, and a lower division school.
2) MAC conference, Do you really want to mess with this conference? Kent State has beaten ISU as has Toledo. BGSU beat Minn and gave Mich State all it could handle. Ball State nearly took Nebraska out. This conference is tougher than maybe the ACC or Big 12.

3) To Wofford fans: How you lost so big to that patheteic NCSU team is beyond me. That is the worst team I have seen in a long time.

[GtFllsGriz]

I don't post often but you Bison fans are beginning to be a bit annoying. I have been a huge Bison supporter and would have loved to seen you guys in the BSC. I will be extremely happy when you can play for the title because your rantings about how good you are and how overrated the Griz are is getting to be real boring. It is no secret this years OOC games were less than stellar. No one has complained more than most Griz fans themselves. BUT THE PLAYERS DON'T SCHEDULE THE GAMES! We have a great group of kids that are going to go far this year. They take one game at a time, no matter the other team's reputation. They will play all comers that are put before them all the way through the playoffs.

I could care less who is number 1 this week. NDSU, you are great, you are wonderful, you are the biggest baddest FCS team in the land! You have my vote to be #1 all year and I will even vote for you to be #1 after the championship game because obviously you will still be the best no matter who has the trophy.

We didn't make the rules, the fans and the players didn't schedule the games. The Griz will continue to slowly, methodically, mechanically move toward the games that really count and then we'll see how good they really are. But, oh yeah, I forgot...that won't matter because the Bison are still the best in all the land!

[AZBison]

I don't post often but you Bison fans are beginning to be a bit annoying. I have been a huge Bison supporter and would have loved to seen you guys in the BSC. I will be extremely happy when you can play for the title because your rantings about how good you are and how overrated the Griz are is getting to be real boring. It is no secret this years OOC games were less than stellar. No one has complained more than most Griz fans themselves. BUT THE PLAYERS DON'T SCHEDULE THE GAMES! We have a great group of kids that are going to go far this year. They take one game at a time, no matter the other team's reputation. They will play all comers that are put before them all the way through the playoffs.

I could care less who is number 1 this week. NDSU, you are great, you are wonderful, you are the biggest baddest FCS team in the land! You have my vote to be #1 all year and I will even vote for you to be #1 after the championship game because obviously you will still be the best no matter who has the trophy.

We didn't make the rules, the fans and the players didn't schedule the games. The Griz will continue to slowly, methodically, mechanically move toward the games that really count and then we'll see how good they really are. But, oh yeah, I forgot...that won't matter because the Bison are still the best in all the land!
I admit that some Bison are being a bit annoying, but I think that most of us Bison know that Montana has a great team this year and has a very good shot at the Nat Champ.

However, that doesn't change the fact that Montana isn't playing a very difficult schedule. You guys in Montana will at least get a chance to shut up all the naysayers in the playoffs, unfortunately the NCAA deems us unworthy of the playoffs.

[GtFllsGriz]

I admit that some Bison are being a bit annoying, but I think that most of us Bison know that Montana has a great team this year and has a very good shot at the Nat Champ.

However, that doesn't change the fact that Montana isn't playing a very difficult schedule. You guys in Montana will at least get a chance to shut up all the naysayers in the playoffs, unfortunately the NCAA deems us unworthy of the playoffs.

You had me right up to the end. You are worthy, but NDSU knew the rules when you moved up. It is no one's fault or a grand conspiracy to keep the best team in the land from playing for a championship. It is what it is and it was not set up to keep the Bison from playing.

And by the way, you can call Albany not very difficult if you like but they earned my respect today. Enough said.

[No_Skill]

Why should you care what "some" Montana fans think?
Why should Montana fans care what you think?

Let me tell you a secret.
The polls don't mean anything. Only one poll matters.
The PSC poll at the end of the year (that determines seeding) is the only poll that matters because it determines how far into the play-offs you get home games (then, only for the top 4 teams - 2 actually). All the rest of this dancing is poppycock.

I think I know the real source of your animosity, It does suck that this team (seniors) will never get to play in the play-offs, and it may be a long time before you see another Bison team this good.
The polls are your validation, your championship - I feel for ya.


That post (minus the "and it may be a long time before you see another Bison team this good.") is exactly how I feel. Sad, but true.

[umassfan]

I dont care if we are number 1 or number 2 but there is no reason UMass should be lower then two when they came in 3rd and the number 1 team fell.

Colgate is 2-1(umass loss)
Holy Cross is 2-1(umass loss)
Towson is 2-2(losses to UMass and Delaware)
Maine is 1-3(they just stink)

[da_Bison]

UNI...NDSU has a very nice win, but Central Michigan ain't no Iowa State.

Toledo beat Iowa State today, Central Michigan destroyed Toledo

[No_Skill]

I don't post often but you Bison fans are beginning to be a bit annoying. I have been a huge Bison supporter and would have loved to seen you guys in the BSC. I will be extremely happy when you can play for the title because your rantings about how good you are and how overrated the Griz are is getting to be real boring. It is no secret this years OOC games were less than stellar. No one has complained more than most Griz fans themselves. BUT THE PLAYERS DON'T SCHEDULE THE GAMES! We have a great group of kids that are going to go far this year. They take one game at a time, no matter the other team's reputation. They will play all comers that are put before them all the way through the playoffs.

I could care less who is number 1 this week. NDSU, you are great, you are wonderful, you are the biggest baddest FCS team in the land! You have my vote to be #1 all year and I will even vote for you to be #1 after the championship game because obviously you will still be the best no matter who has the trophy.

We didn't make the rules, the fans and the players didn't schedule the games. The Griz will continue to slowly, methodically, mechanically move toward the games that really count and then we'll see how good they really are. But, oh yeah, I forgot...that won't matter because the Bison are still the best in all the land!


You may not post very often, but you sure must not read them very often either. Bison fans will be the first to tell you that the end of season #1 ranking belongs to The Champ.

Nice attempt at putting words in our mouths. Feel free to stick to not posting. xrolleyesx

[Peems]

#1 UNI
#2 UMASS

[AZGrizFan]

You may not post very often, but you sure must not read them very often either. Bison fans will be the first to tell you that the end of season #1 ranking belongs to The Champ.

Nice attempt at putting words in our mouths. Feel free to stick to not posting. xrolleyesx

Typical Bison fan. Out of that entire post, you get him on a technicality. xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx

[FargoBison]

Who is saying the Griz are overrated? Nodody, we just think other teams have done more to be ranked higher. That is our opinion and I don't see anything wrong with it. Nobody is calling Montana horrible here. Heck, UM is a top 5 team in my poll.

[Thundar]

Why does NDSU drop in the poll last week after beating a #14 team and get questioned (again) this week after rolling a FBS team?? App ST. more than deserves a top 5 even after the loss but to say Montana should stay #2?? My top 5 UNI, UMASS, NDSU, APP, Montana

[crunifan]

Toledo beat Iowa State today, Central Michigan destroyed Toledo

You need to remember that UNI/Iowa State is a rivalry game. More goes into it than a normal game. Especially after last years outcome.

If NDSU wants the #1 ranking, go ahead and have it. You guys enjoy the target on your backs.

[AZGrizFan]

1) Who do you think will be #1 when the new polls come out?
2) Who SHOULD be #1 when the new polls come out?

a) App State: They beat Michigan and lost to a ranked Wofford team on the road. 2-time national champions


What does that have to do with this discussion? xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx If other teams can't rest on last year's laurels, why should app state?

[AZGrizFan]

You need to remember that UNI/Iowa State is a rivalry game. More goes into it than a normal game. Especially after last years outcome.

If NDSU wants the #1 ranking, go ahead and have it. You guys enjoy the target on your backs.

sorry, cruni. I jumped UNI AND NDSU over my Griz this weekend. xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx xcoolx In THAT order, too. xeyebrowx xeyebrowx xeyebrowx

[Purple Knight]

Show some R E S PECT. Sound like a bunch of vultures. I think there should be silence on this subject until sunrise the following day. We need to honor our fallen leaders.

[da_Bison]

You need to remember that UNI/Iowa State is a rivalry game. More goes into it than a normal game. Especially after last years outcome.

If NDSU wants the #1 ranking, go ahead and have it. You guys enjoy the target on your backs.

Hey, I said nothing about NDSU being ranked #1, I was replying to a GSU poster that said Central Michigan is no Iowa State ....I replied by saying Toledo beat Iowa State and Central Michigan Killed Toledo.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Since we are in the FCS and have a playoff system in place sooner or later we'll all know who's #1..... Unless of course NDSU goes undefeated.... That would sure throw a wrench in the whole #1 argument

[ASUG8]

I was really upset at the outcome yesterday with the Terriers sticking it to us like they did but there are some positives. We've been walking around with a huge target on us for a long time, and it's at least partially removed now. We're no longer number one, and can now focus on the fundamentals again and get off the whole "we beat MI" thing. Let someone else have the target on them for a while, and we'll hopefully be able to get ourselves realigned and be competitive for the balance of the season.

[appfan2008]

I was really upset at the outcome yesterday with the Terriers sticking it to us like they did but there are some positives. We've been walking around with a huge target on us for a long time, and it's at least partially removed now. We're no longer number one, and can now focus on the fundamentals again and get off the whole "we beat MI" thing. Let someone else have the target on them for a while, and we'll hopefully be able to get ourselves realigned and be competitive for the balance of the season.

I agree except there looked to be a lot of injury problems to a lot of key guys yesterday... i hope that doesnt start to backfire

[Casey_Orourke]

Do you know why we have cupcakes?? No one would pay us to play them...I think they got scared!

Maybe teams did not want to sign a home and home only to play the first game in Wa-Gria then have Montana buy out (wuss out) the back half then schedule a cupcake to pad their schedule for the upcoming season.

[Casey_Orourke]

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2007/09/22/sports/zsports04.txt

Western State College of Colorado????? Who the H$LL are these guys??? Another uknown team you can beat up and show the world how tough you are?

[BisonBabe]

Well this thread seems to have a lot of chest thumping as well as dissing of other teams schedules.

I would love to see NDSU as #1 but it has not happened yet. Maybe in a couple more wins :D

[Griz0383]

Being #1! what does it mean in week 4 of the FCS? Not a good thing to be #1 until the play offs! who ever gets it can have it!!!!!! Have a fun and write when ya get there!

[speechpanther]

1) UMass
2) NDSU
3) UNI
4) Appy State
5) Montana

--Its early in the season, and the Griz may be better than a 5 ranking. Just win and everything will work out by the time the playoff seedings come around.
--I know that Appy had a tough loss yesterday, but it's hard to drop them out of the top 5. They beat Michigan in the Big House. Need I say more?
--I'm a UNI fan, but I don't think our schedule justifies a number 1 ranking. ISU's victory over Iowa notwithstanding (where ISU didn't score a single touchdown), this ISU team has looked MISERABLE this year. ISU was a good win, a rivalry win, but I don't think anyone should get too carried away about it. Besides that game, we got wins against an SDSU team that doesn't look as good this year, Drake, and a D II. We've done great work on the road, and much like other teams in the top five, could be the best team in the nation. However, I still think UNI has something to prove before they deserve the ranking.
--NDSU is a monster. For the love of football, can the NCAA please let them in the Playoffs this year?
-- UMass' victories over FCS teams are simply too difficult to ignore. If they don't hold their own against BC this weekend, I think NDSU and UMass should switch rankings. However, I just don't get how you can't give them the #1 as of right now.

Don't post much on this board, but this discussion was too interesting to avoid.

[No_Skill]

1) UMass
2) NDSU
3) UNI
4) Appy State
5) Montana

--Its early in the season, and the Griz may be better than a 5 ranking. Just win and everything will work out by the time the playoff seedings come around.
--I know that Appy had a tough loss yesterday, but it's hard to drop them out of the top 5. They beat Michigan in the Big House. Need I say more?
--I'm a UNI fan, but I don't think our schedule justifies a number 1 ranking. ISU's victory over Iowa notwithstanding (where ISU didn't score a single touchdown), this ISU team has looked MISERABLE this year. ISU was a good win, a rivalry win, but I don't think anyone should get too carried away about it. Besides that game, we got wins against an SDSU team that doesn't look as good this year, Drake, and a D II. We've done great work on the road, and much like other teams in the top five, could be the best team in the nation. However, I still think UNI has something to prove before they deserve the ranking.
--NDSU is a monster. For the love of football, can the NCAA please let them in the Playoffs this year?
-- UMass' victories over FCS teams are simply too difficult to ignore. If they don't hold their own against BC this weekend, I think NDSU and UMass should switch rankings. However, I just don't get how you can't give them the #1 as of right now.

Don't post much on this board, but this discussion was too interesting to avoid.


All looks pretty good to me and the anaylsis is sound. I think UNI and NDSU could be flip-flopped and still be accurate.

[PantherRob82]

true, I gave it to NDSU since they Beat a ranked FCS school along with a an FBS school.

Also UNI, Drake was ranked.

[PantherRob82]

What? Are you drunk? Am I to understand that you drop Montana out of the top 5 after winning today? xoopsx

I think the Griz could drop to #3, but don't see merit in dropping them to #6.

Who said he had him in the top 5 to start? Not all of us rearrange the teams in the AGS poll. I keep my own and reevaluate teams each week.

[KNUTS]

Ap St beats Mich, Mich beats Penn St, Cats beat Colorado, Ap st beat MSU, Rashan Salam gets drafted by the bears. Lovie Smith is Friends with Obama. I guess that means that Coach Moore Should win the next presidential election. Bottom line the only rankings that matter is the four come playoff time. All this Chest thumping is just hot air. I do however, have to defend my team. The Griz may not be playing top ranked teams but they do have to deal with the upset factor every week of teams coming in to play for there entire season as well as college careers. See Ap St!

[EmeryZach]

How far will UMass fall after Matt Ryan and those BC Eagles throw for 600 yards against us this coming weekend?

I'll be at the game, should be fun to watch our d-backs get lit up.

[Griz0383]

EMeryZ, Umass is going to win!! if not then shouldn't be too far down the meaningless polls! Personally, I 'm bored with Montana's yearly cup cakes(with exception to Aulbany!). The Montana fans show up every weekend, spend their money and I think we deserve a tougher schedule!!! I actually envy other schools schedules. I would love to get excited about a game in which a Griz victory is not guaranteed and the opportunity to travel to a preseason game in a very hostile environment. You Lucky fans!

[JALMOND]

Maybe teams did not want to sign a home and home only to play the first game in Wa-Gria then have Montana buy out (wuss out) the back half then schedule a cupcake to pad their schedule for the upcoming season.

Maybe teams don't want to play the Griz because they are called "cupcakes" when the Griz beat them, at least back east.

The Big Sky is not a weak conference. The Griz will be battle tested at the end of the year, playing in Flagstaff and Bozeman.

As far as #1, I had the Griz there in the preseason, knocking them down a notch when App State beat Michigan (because, you know, Michigan). App State loses, Griz beat Albany, UNI beat Drake, UMass beat Maine, JMU beat Coastal, none of these games are impressive so stick to the status quo and not make it any harder than it already is, UM #1 this week (subject to change next week and weeks to come).

[Drblankstare]

For a win over michigan at michigan, and a loss over a tough conf oppenent on the road. you cant have App st. fall too far. My opinion would be to set them at 2. UNI goes to 1. NDSU to 3, impressive win this week, but a couple underwhelming performances to start the year.

[Grizaholic17]

Even I didn't realize they were that bad xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx
How will Tailbone defend that.xeyebrowx

3 of those at the expense of montana. And it is safe to say that people are disheartened after they get killed!

[No_Skill]

3 of those at the expense of montana. And it is safe to say that people are disheartened after they get killed!

So what you're saying is that after Montana beats a team, they are so demoralized they're shaking before each remaining game, afraid to put the pads on, and have to be pushed onto the field? xeyebrowx

And some of your fans call Bison fans arrogant? xoopsx

[Grizaholic17]

So what you're saying is that after Montana beats a team, they are so demoralized they're shaking before each remaining game, afraid to put the pads on, and have to be pushed onto the field? xeyebrowx

And some of your fans call Bison fans arrogant? xoopsx

I keep saying this, Griz fans are just practical. :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:pxwhistlex

[GannonFan]

For a win over michigan at michigan, and a loss over a tough conf oppenent on the road. you cant have App st. fall too far. My opinion would be to set them at 2. UNI goes to 1. NDSU to 3, impressive win this week, but a couple underwhelming performances to start the year.

So you drop Appy St to only #2 - does that mean you're putting Wofford #1? Sure playing at Wofford was tough, but Wofford took it to them and beat them - no fluke play, no lucky to even be in it - Wofford beat them. There are plenty of FCS teams who don't have an FCS loss that I'm putting Appy St behind for the time being - if Appy St is good enough they'll move back up the polls with ease as others lose down the road.

[igo4uni]

sooner or later we'll all know who's #1..... Unless of course NDSU goes undefeated.... That would sure throw a wrench in the whole #1 argument


Well, that could happen.........but it's only a temporary situation.........NDSU and SDSU are eligible next season for the playoffs.

[crunifan]

My opinion:

1) UMass
2) Montana
3) UNI
4) North Dakota State
5) Southern Illinois
6) Appalachian State

To me, it's not fair to drop Montana just because they have a weak schedule. But, they don't deserve to be number one, so UMass jumps them. UNI, NDSU, and SIU all move up. Appalachian State still stays relatively high.

[Green26]

UMass' schedule isn't especially strong so far, either:

Holy Cross, by 10 (HC is 2-1, with wins over Georgetown and Harvard)

Colgate, by 18 (Col. is 2-1, with 2 point wins over Albany and Dartmouth)

Towson (Towson is 2-2, with wins over Morgan St. by 7 and Central Conn. by 10)

Maine (Maine is 1-3, with a win over Monmouth).

[EmeryZach]

Look who's talking. Real hard games for the Griz so far.

[Green26]

Okay, EmeryZ, tell us why UMass deserves to be no. 1 this week, and tell us where they'll be at the end of the season.

Montana has had an easier schedule so far, but their I-AA opponents have played (and lost to) some pretty good teams,and their schedule has contributed to their losses:

No. Dak. St.
So. Ill.
McNeese
Colgate
Fordham
Hofstra

[DuckDuckGriz]

Look who's talking. Real hard games for the Griz so far.

That's why he said EITHER, genius.

[NDSUFREAK]

NDSU and UNI should be Top 2. Looking at the schedule they have the toughest of the top 5 teams and are undeafeted

[EmeryZach]

Don't remember saying I think they should be #1, because My top three is

#1 UNI
#2 UMass
#3 Montana

Atleast UMass has played two conference games already.

And I really don't see why it matters what teams your opponents have played and lost to.

[AmsterBison]

I'd vote for UMass.

[Green26]

EmeryZ, how do you determine the strength of schedule, if you don't look at the teams your opponents have played and how they have done against those opponents?

[EmeryZach]

Listen, I don't want to get into a pissing match here. You have a very good football team, I think we can all agree. I think we can both agree though that UMass has played better opponents so far. And I'm not saying that the Griz should have scheduled better opponents in the first few weeks, I understand teams need to get some easy wins under their belts, everyone does it. I'm just saying UMass has had the harder schedule, so far, that's all.

[MarkCCU]

How about Wofford as No. 1? The king is dead (at least temporarily). Long live the king. The Terriers' only loss is to an FBS team.

A win over the #1 does not constitute that the victor should hold the top spot. Was Coastal #1 after they defeated #1 James Madison? Nope. So thier only loss is to an FBS school, but they are on par with schools in thier Division. Wofford should be up there, but not #1.

AppState beat a FBS school this year, should that keep them in the Top 5?

I think UNI deserves the 1 Spot. Just my opinion.

[redspider]

I think so far with the schedules played it cant be Montana and it must instead be UMASS with UNI right behind followed by Montana then App State.

[CID1990]

1. NDSU
2. UNI
3. UMass

[Cap'n Cat]

NDSU
UMass
Montana
UNI



That #1 ranking is, except in rare instances, an albatross. Let a team who is not even eligible for the playoffs hang on to it until the postseason. UMass was a champ game participant. Montana, despite the ribbing their fans take here, has done nothing that merits being knocked down, IMO. UNI still has to club their way through the Gateway. Will be very surprised if they go 6-0 in conf. Will be very surprised if anyone goes 6-0 there.

May the Lord Baby Jesus bless all of you and keep you safe today.

xnodx

[spelunker64]

NDSU
UNI
UMass
UM

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

I have posted way too much on this thread...but Montana has done everything expected of them. Today for example, we garnered 564 yards of total offense, with 281 yards rushing and 273 yards passing. Albany had 365 total yards in the game. Montana is on the move, and we are gaining steam. Say what you want, but know that Montana is running away from the pack. We will just play our game and let you guys fumble around on figuring out ways to put us down. Thankyou for your time!

Ok, I must qualify this by saying that I have the utmost respect for the Griz, but I kinda laughed when I read this. Why? Not because it's not true, which it is, but because you could replace "Montana" with "San Diego" and it really smells of last year's bitchfest... xlolx

Sometimes doing everything you're expected to do is not enough. When others are doing everything they're expected to do and MORE it gives them just the slightest edge over you. xnodx

Wait a few more weeks and let the toughest conferences - CAA, Gateway and GWFC - fumble it around for you. You'll be #1 in no time xsmiley_wix

[THE HERD]

I said it last week, NDSU deserves a higher ranking than Montana.

They more than well deserve it this week.

Montana beats CUPCAKES. NDSU beats QUALITY. Why on this green earth should Montana be higher.

I agree completely. Don't get me wrong the Griz are a very good team, but you have to compare strength of schedule to this point of the season, because of that they do not deserve the number one ranking. Maybe later in the season they will after playing some tougher teams, but definitely not now. Number one this week should be UNI or NDSU.

[mlbowl]

Maybe later in the season


That's when I'll care;)

Right now....

#1. The University of Who Gives a Crap...followed closely by...
#2. Couldn't Care Less State University

seriously tho....My number 1 right now is NDSU. (there....I have spoken):)

[srgrizizen]

I think what everyone needs to understand is that the AGS poll is basically a "strength of schedule" poll. Obviously, Montana cannot compete in that poll, even if they "might" (I don't know any more than you do) be the best team in the FCS and win all of their games decisively.

I won't think anyone on here is dissing UM unless and until the Griz win some playoff games and somebody (probably Bison fans) start up about how they didn't deserve to have the game at home. I'm sure it'll happen though.

[grizbeer]

I agree completely. Don't get me wrong the Griz are a very good team, but you have to compare strength of schedule to this point of the season, because of that they do not deserve the number one ranking. Maybe later in the season they will after playing some tougher teams, but definitely not now. Number one this week should be UNI or NDSU.
Is it worth pointing out that Montana's opponents have the exact same number of wins over D-I teams that NDSU's opponents have (1)? That said, I have no problems ranking NDSU, UNI, and UMass over Montana right now. The higher you are ranked the bigger the fall.

Personally I would have UNI #1, and UMASS #2. I watched NDSU on TV, they remind me of Montana in 2002, winning on borrowed time.

[FargoBison]

I think what everyone needs to understand is that the AGS poll is basically a "strength of schedule" poll. Obviously, Montana cannot compete in that poll, even if they "might" (I don't know any more than you do) be the best team in the FCS and win all of their games decisively.

I won't think anyone on here is dissing UM unless and until the Griz win some playoff games and somebody (probably Bison fans) start up about how they didn't deserve to have the game at home. I'm sure it'll happen though.

If it is just an SOS poll how are the Griz a top 5 team? In many ballots I'm sure they'll be in the top 3 and porbably some will have them at #1. SOS is a factor but it isn't everything.

[ChickenMan]

1.. Montana
2.. UNI
3.. ASU
4.. NDST
5.. JMU

[bisonmike]

1. NDSU
2. Michigan
3. UNI
4. Notre Dame
5. Montana

[AZGrizFan]

1. NDSU
2. Michigan
3. UNI
4. Notre Dame
5. Montana

You have Michigan ranked ahead of ASU? xconfusedx ;)

[GaSouthern]

UNI

IMO :)

It was a VERY hard decision to make for me, being a montana homer.

[Cap'n Cat]

Anyone but UNI.

xthumbsupx

[GolfingGriz]

You have Michigan ranked ahead of ASU? xconfusedx ;)
And Notre Dame ahead of Montana? Lets atleast be practical.;)

[UNH SUPERFAN]

1. App State
2. NDSU
3. JMU
4. N Iowa

In the end ASU will be the team to beat whether they lost last week or not.

[GannonFan]

1. App State
2. NDSU
3. JMU
4. N Iowa

In the end ASU will be the team to beat whether they lost last week or not.

Yeah, who cares about the regular season - heck, the polls should be static from the preseason poll until just after the championship! xlolx xlolx xrolleyesx

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Yeah, who cares about the regular season - heck, the polls should be static from the preseason poll until just after the championship! xlolx xlolx xrolleyesx

Agreed.

Heck, I expect Delaware, for the second week in a row, to actually drop following an impressive victory.

[Cap'n Cat]

Yeah, who cares about the regular season - heck, the polls should be static from the preseason poll until just after the championship! xlolx xlolx xrolleyesx


Our friend, FCSFAN, would be in your corner with that, Ganny!


xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[appfan2008]

Agreed.

Heck, I expect Delaware, for the second week in a row, to actually drop following an impressive victory.

there are about 12 excellent teams that will bounce around all season

[UNH SUPERFAN]

Yeah, who cares about the regular season - heck, the polls should be static from the preseason poll until just after the championship! xlolx xlolx xrolleyesx

Do polls rank teams in order of how good they are or who they beat last?? If it is according to how good teams are then my rankings stand as I've indicated. If it goes according to upsets, fluke wins, etc. then Wofford is ranked ahead of Michigan if you took all schools into account. I DON'T THINK SO!!

If the playoffs were held today I'd put my money on ASU.

[SoCon48]

Elon!

[Blue42]

there are about 12 excellent teams that will bounce around all season

Agree with this. The climb to the #1 ranking is extremely steep this year as there are a dozen or so excellent teams.

Gonna be quite a year in FCS. Whoever gets the title trophy this year should hold it very high.