Future of SLC - What Now? [Archive]

TexasTerror

September 13th, 2007, 05:10 PM

Col Hogan

September 13th, 2007, 06:43 PM

Dallas Demon

September 13th, 2007, 07:51 PM

UT in Austin is on a totally different level and will never have to compete with TxST and UTSA. The question is concerning TxST vs. UTSA if both were FBS. They could easily both have FBS programs if they wanted, even though they are so close together. There is a huge population base in the area (Austin - San Antonio and surrounding areas). Much bigger than a similar example to the east, La. Tech and Louisiana-Monroe (with a much smaller population base). So it can be done but the expectations shouldn't be high.

Retro

September 13th, 2007, 09:41 PM

I lived in austin for 8 years and spent some time in san antonio while in the air force, dated 2 girls from SWT and 2 from Mcneese.. Guess which one i married?

Anyway, if UTSA does get a football team, they'd probably do ok considering the size of the city they have to draw from.. It just depends on how much alumni support they get as far as money, attendance, booster support in getting the little things taken care of, etc..

As far as it affecting Texas State and their move.. Sure it would affect them as far as recruiting, but as far as moving up, no.. If texas state wants to move up, it's going to take mainly money and support.. They need consistent attendance and more alumni money coming in, even when they lose a lot..

If they move up, they will likely schedule several road BCS games until they get conference affiliation and will that support be there through what could be a lot of lean years?

Texas state has to learn to create their own identity and not try to be UT, they never will. It starts by winning and not losing to Div II teams.. Mcneese may not have the student population that a Texas state has, but the reason they draw well is because they win and aren't trying to be LSU like ULL has been trying to do for the last 20 years.

FCSFAN

September 13th, 2007, 10:27 PM

consider the moratorium, though texas folks seemingly don't consider much sometimes

TexasTerror

September 13th, 2007, 10:39 PM

consider the moratorium, though texas folks seemingly don't consider much sometimes

Moratorium is not even in the conversation...

The conversation is namely about new football program to the Southland, which would be current members having football, so it is a mute subject in this place...

UTSA would not get a football program to start in any form til 2010. The impact of UTSA would have on TXST would be solely tied to their intentions on moving to FBS. UTSA would seemingly make their intentions known from the get-go and they already have said what they would do if they did add football, so it's out there. The momentum is on their side, just a matter of if 'big brother' in Austin is willing to let it be...

I'm curious whether there is enough $$$ around (corporately) if UTSA goes FBS for TXST to have, especially with the program in Austin not too far away...San Antonio is a city starving for football and they may soon get their taste of the pigskin...

FCSFAN

September 13th, 2007, 10:54 PM

Texas State is moratorium bound and they are in the conversation here. If not, this belongs in other sports.

McNeese_beat

September 13th, 2007, 10:58 PM

As I noted in another post, UTSA has passed their athletic fee referendum. It awaits approval from the Board of Regents, but many feel that this vote pushes UTSA towards football...

What does this mean for Texas State? They are in between Austin (home of the Univ of Texas) and San Antonio (home of UTSA). If UTSA were to get football, especially if they went FBS, how would that impact the San Marcos institution in their push to go to FBS? Is that area a big enough market for Texas, UTSA and Texas State?

Where's Lamar right now? Fans from their side of things thought they'd of had football announced at this point. They started soccer this past year.

The Sun Belt announced they will only take in schools that have FBS football. Lamar and UTSA, two schools rumored to want out of the SLC in the past, do not have football. This puts them in a pickle unless they had the gridiron sport...

Below are previous posts on subjects related to non-football schools and their moves, thoughts and opinions (from SLC fans) on what's going on with each of these...

UTSA
UTSA Athletic Fee Referendum Passes...
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28220

LAMAR
Lamar Football: Dead or Alive?
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25970

TEXAS A&M - CORPUS CHRISTI
Texas A&M - Corpus Christ Football Feasbility Study Released
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19131

A&M-CC Football - It May Come
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18791

UT-ARLINGTON
UT-Arlington Football Update
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20445

UT-Arlington Football Rally
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17298

SLC's UT-Arlington: Campus Group Aims to Bring Back UTA's team
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15518

SOUTHLAND CONFERENCE
SLC: What the Non-FB Schools Have Done
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23188

My opinion: The addition of football at Lamar would have a negative effect on the league. Corpus would be a positive. UTA would be a positive. UTSA negative (for a couple of reasons).

Here's why. Lamar sits in the middle of an area McNeese, SFA and Northwestern have traditionally raided for players. If Lamar adds football, that will water down recruiting. I believe SLU's addition has had that effect in Louisiana. McNeese has adjusted, but it sure isn't any easier now.

Corpus Christi would be perfect. I don't think you have many players from down that way signing at the FCS or mid-major FBS level, so a lot of D-I quality players wind up at Kingsville and other places like it. I think there are players down there to make Corpus competitive and there is that untapped market.

UTA could still be competitive in the metroplex, imo without vulturing from an existing SLC program. I think SFA recruits there extensively, maybe Sam Houston some. But I think UTA football could exist without killing the other Texas programs.

UTSA is bad on several fronts. First, they'd be angling for FBS status and would leave the Southland. Second, they'd hurt Texas State recruiting. Third, I think it would be a bad idea for UTSA. San Antonio is a pro/big 12 town. I don't think there's much interest in the local commuter college (no offense UTSA folks) adding football.

catdaddy2402

September 13th, 2007, 11:01 PM

Texas State is moratorium bound and they are in the conversation here. If not, this belongs in other sports.
The moratorium is on the actually process of changing divisions/classifications, not planning for and/or deciding to make the move.

already123

September 14th, 2007, 12:27 AM

I'd Love to see UTSA have a football program! I think that a market like San Antonio would be great for FCS play!!!

Dallas Demon

September 14th, 2007, 01:01 AM

Northwestern recruits the Dallas area, we have several players on our team from the Metroplex.

Fresno St. Alum

September 14th, 2007, 02:15 AM

Interesting stuff, can't wait to see how it all turns out. I hope UTSA, TAMU-CC, UTA, and Lamar can add football no matter what level.

slycat

September 14th, 2007, 02:58 AM

i really dont see the utsa being able to support a team. its such a heavy commutor school. also whenever i bring up utsa to people from san antonio they just laugh. im thinking that they may find the funding some how but not a fan base. they are just too close to UT and have a UT name that many would rather just follow the longhorns.

as for texas st it would affect recruiting in a bad way and it would hurt shsu and sfa to a lesser extint. im not a supporter of us moving to fbs but if it means not getting lost in the utsa "fanbase" then im all for it.

TexasTerror

October 1st, 2007, 09:55 AM

They're getting really talkative over there as it relates to football right now. The fans believe recruits will come in for 2009, redshirt and practice throughout the fall of 2009 while stepping onto the field as an FCS Independent in 2010.

They are already claiming that they will lead the league in attendance when they start football (which wouldn't surprise me due to excitement regarding the return of football -- though, I think McNeese may still lead the league).

TexasTerror

October 1st, 2007, 03:04 PM

Article on UTSA and A&M-CC looking into football from Austin American-Statesman...

UT SPORTS SPENDING
Two Texas universities weigh pros, cons of starting football programs
By Eric Dexheimer
AMERICAN STATESMAN STAFF
Monday, October 01, 2007

Ninety-nine percent of colleges and universities lose money on their athletics programs, and football teams cost the most. Yet the allure of a marquee team is so strong in Texas that some schools that don't currently compete in the sport are tempted to start.

Two large universities considering adding intercollegiate football to their campuses recently have run the numbers. Their reports, both delivered in the past year, offer a detailed window into the game's high finance — and low return.

Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi administrators say they hope Division I-AA football will boost school spirit and attract more male students to the university, which has ambitious growth plans. At the University of Texas-San Antonio, administrators say they see football as an essential building block toward becoming a top school. Each would lose millions of dollars every year.

Two years ago, the University of Texas-Arlington decided to pass on starting a football team after a study showed it would cost more than $20 million the first five years. Both UTSA's and TAMUCC's reports warn of football's outsized expense — as much as $8 million annually in UTSA's case and about $3 million at Corpus Christi.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/10/01/1001newfootball.html

bobcatfan06

October 1st, 2007, 04:52 PM

Corpus could become a force...recruiting will be easy. It's Corpus.

blackfordpu

October 1st, 2007, 09:28 PM

consider the moratorium, though texas folks seemingly don't consider much sometimes

Explain this concept please.

TexasTerror

October 1st, 2007, 10:09 PM

Explain this concept please.

No movement for four years - NCAA issued it.

You can start a new football program, but you can not move anywhere. Stops movement from division to division as the NCAA works out what direction they're moving in...been discussed in great detail on this board...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27565

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28022

TexasTerror

October 4th, 2007, 09:39 AM

More word out of Lamar...

Fans are saying that a vote is forthcoming from the students to increase the athletic fee (something allowed under new legislation passed last year).

They are also saying that 2010 will be the startup date. Seems no one is worried about the students passing the athletic fee increase.

blackfordpu

October 4th, 2007, 09:16 PM

No movement for four years - NCAA issued it.

You can start a new football program, but you can not move anywhere. Stops movement from division to division as the NCAA works out what direction they're moving in...been discussed in great detail on this board...

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27565

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28022

Basically what NDSU and UCA are having to do. They play in FCS but can not go to the playoffs until it has ended.

Question, if these schools have not had a football program what "movement" would they be kept from?

Lionsrking

October 4th, 2007, 09:59 PM

i really dont see the utsa being able to support a team. its such a heavy commutor school. also whenever i bring up utsa to people from san antonio they just laugh. im thinking that they may find the funding some how but not a fan base. they are just too close to UT and have a UT name that many would rather just follow the longhorns.

People said the same thing about the U of South Florida 15-20 years ago when I lived in the Tampa/St. Pete area. They said they would never support football on campus, too close to Gainesville (not nearly as close as San Antonio to Austin), and all that good stuff. Look at them now.

Keeper

October 5th, 2007, 06:43 AM

....moot.

Not .."mute".

moot point.

TexasTerror

November 14th, 2007, 09:57 AM

Lamar Update:

Lamar's student government passed a resolution supporting the return of football. Apparently, their administration is on board.

This is what we were expecting -- they had made it pretty clear that a student vote would be forthcoming in the spring. If it passes, I'm guessing we expect to see a vote in February at the Regents meeting -- at the earliest...

Keep in mind that by bringing football back, this also means that Lamar will return their softball program.

Regents Meeting Schedule:

2008 Quarterly Board of Regents Meetings

February 21-22, 2008
Lamar University
Agenda Deadlines

* January 14 - Institutions submit proposed agenda items to the System Office
* January 21 - System Office sends draft agenda items to institutions for review
* January 28 - Institutions review and submit revisions
* February 7 - System Office sends agenda book to Regents and Institutions
* February 21-22 - Board of Regents Meeting

May 15-16, 2008
Austin, Texas
Agenda Deadlines

* April 7 - Institutions submit proposed agenda items to the System Office
* April 14 - System Office sends draft agenda items to institutions for review
* April 21 - Institutions review and submit revisions
* May 5 - System Office sends agenda book to Regents and Institutions
* May 15-16 - Board of Regents Meeting

UCAMonkey

November 14th, 2007, 03:37 PM

I think the major impact it will have on the entire SLC team is recruiting if Lamar, TAMCC and UTSA were to add football. UCA recruits heavily in Texas and Louisiana and the addition of these schools in a potential recruits own backyard is going to make it that much harder for all of us.

Not complaining just an observation.

TexasTerror

November 20th, 2007, 08:16 AM

SLC Commish talks a little UTSA football...

Oliver's Twist: Burnett is confident Southland will endure

Web Posted: 11/18/2007 10:24 PM CST

Richard Oliver
San Antonio Express-News

Southland Conference commissioner Tom Burnett has heard the conjecture about UTSA's future, and it doesn't particularly scare him.

Sometime soon, perhaps by 2010, the Roadrunners will add almighty football to their athletic lineup. Sometime soon after that, the speculation insists, the university will notify him that it will ascend to Division I and out of the SLC.

"The idea of losing a team to I-A football is not foreign to our conference," Burnett said last week. Indeed, Louisiana Tech, Arkansas State, Louisiana-Lafayette, Troy, Louisiana-Monroe and North Texas have defected from the Southland to pursue the big-time gridiron spotlight.

But, he added, "Outside of Lynn Hickey and a few others close to it, nobody wants UTSA football more than we do. We could give them a great competitive opportunity in our league."

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA.111907.OliversTwist.EN.212328a.html

TexasTerror

December 6th, 2007, 09:18 PM

Some more on UTSA athletic complex (critical part to football puzzle)...

UTSA says new sports complex would have $193 million impact in San Antonio
San Antonio Business Journal - by W. Scott Bailey

The University of Texas at San Antonio (UTSA), which hopes to get $50 million in Bexar County venue tax revenues to help build a $60 million athletic complex, has completed a new study to support its effort.

Based on the findings in that study, UTSA officials say the proposed multi-sport complex is estimated to generate an economic impact totaling $193 million during the three-year construction period and the initial five years of operations.

The report was developed as a joint effort between the UTSA Institute for Economic Development and the Tourism Management Program in the College of Business. A study oversight committee of representatives from the hotel and rental car industries and the San Antonio Convention and Visitors Bureau also contributed to the analysis.

http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2007/12/03/daily17.html

MplsBison

December 7th, 2007, 12:23 PM

Is that area a big enough market for Texas, UTSA and Texas State?

San Antonio to Austin: 80 mi

Austin MSA (Bastrop, Caldwell, Hays, Travis, Williamson counties) pop. 1.25 million 10 year growth rate 47% (2000 census).

San Antonio MSA (Bexar, Comal, Guadalupe, Wilson counties) pop. 1.59 million 10 year growth rate 20% (2000 census).

Texas full time undergrads: 33k
Texas State full time undergrads: 18.5k
Texas San Antonio full time undergrads: 17.5k
(OPE data)

Just looking at those numbers, it'd be hard to say that the region couldn't support all 3, with a majority of support going to UT.

McTailGator

December 9th, 2007, 06:00 PM

Texas State is moratorium bound and they are in the conversation here. If not, this belongs in other sports.

The moritorium is only for 4 years.

TxSU has to give a 2 year notice to the SLC, which they have not yet done, and probably will not do that until AFTER the 2008 schedules are out, so there goes on of those 4 years. So, we are only really talking about it putting them back 1 year, which they will need to get their facilities up to par with..

Not a big deal..

IMO, the 2012 SLC will look like this,,,

1. McNeese;
2. Southeastern;
3. Nichols;
4. Northwestern St.;
5. SFA;
6. SHSU;
7. UCA;
8. Lamar;
9. Texas A&M Corpus Christi

TexasTerror

December 9th, 2007, 09:13 PM

IMO, the 2012 SLC will look like this,,,

1. McNeese;
2. Southeastern;
3. Nichols;
4. Northwestern St.;
5. SFA;
6. SHSU;
7. UCA;
8. Lamar;
9. Texas A&M Corpus Christi

Who replaces Texas State - San Marcos as the 12th member? I think Tarleton State would do the task -- they've expressed interest before. 10 football schools would be nice, but 9 is the best for the schools.

If the SLC does not add a football school (thanks to Lamar and A&M-CC adding football), then who would the SLC add? Maybe if UALR gets the boot from the Sun Belt, we can add them to have a natural rival and travel partner for UCA.

MplsBison

December 10th, 2007, 10:59 AM

UALR would go nice with UCA.

I'm still lost though, who would be the 3 SLC schools not playing football?

UTA, UALR, and.. ?

Obviously UTSA would be out, unless you forgot to list them in the football list with Lamar?

TexasTerror

December 10th, 2007, 04:09 PM

I'm still lost though, who would be the 3 SLC schools not playing football?

UTA, UALR, and.. ?

Obviously UTSA would be out, unless you forgot to list them in the football list with Lamar?

He listed nine schools...

1. McNeese;
2. Southeastern;
3. Nichols;
4. Northwestern St.;
5. SFA;
6. SHSU;
7. UCA;
8. Lamar;
9. Texas A&M Corpus Christi

With that list, Texas State - San Marcos is to FBS. UTA and UTSA are non-football schools. Add them to the list, you are at 11. You'd just need one more.

Now, if UTSA is gone, your down to 10 schools. If UALR was out there, you'd need to get them and outside of that, you need Tarleton State or Delta State in the SLC. I do not see Houston Baptist as an option...nor Centenary...

MplsBison

December 10th, 2007, 04:11 PM

That's fine, we'll keep Centenary (they're doing pretty good this year in MBB).

Perhaps we'll even take UNO off the Sun Belt's hands.

But yeah, I would assume UTSA is out then.

BluehenJK

December 10th, 2007, 05:14 PM

TexasTerror

December 10th, 2007, 06:05 PM

Texas State makes one run in their history and now you want to go FBS. Have fun playing Rice and Western KY in empty stadiums with no interest whatsoever. I still dont why a texas school with so many FBS schools already would move up.....

The Bobcats wanted to go to what was then-I-A before they even made their one run as an FCS program...

They even had it in their media guide and Tony Moss dogged them in a Sports Network column...

MplsBison

December 10th, 2007, 06:41 PM

Maybe they dream of running with the big dogs (UT, TA&M).

TexasTerror

December 10th, 2007, 10:08 PM

Maybe they dream of running with the big dogs (UT, TA&M).

They do -- but, of course...they can't compete with the McNeeses (football) or Sam Houstons (basketball) of the world. Gawd forbid SHSU's softball and baseball teams continue their success, because those were two sports that the folks in San Marcos dominated as far as Texas SLC schools go...

BEAR

December 10th, 2007, 10:50 PM

McNeese_beat

December 10th, 2007, 11:00 PM

I can see North Alabama moving up. They would fit well in the SLC. Hey, UALR is in Little Rock, I can't imagine them not having a football team with a population base of 240k...xeyebrowx They already play decent bball. Delta State would be another tough opponent for the SLC. Wow! I can't imagine the Gulf South moving to the SLC...but it looks like it very well could happen! xthumbsupx xlolx

I like the idea of UALR joining the league to give you guys a natural rival in the league...do you really think there's interest enough in UALR to add football? I went to UALR for a basketball game a few years back and was told by UALR people that UCA gets more support than UALR does...

Lionsrking

December 10th, 2007, 11:20 PM

I like the idea of UALR joining the league to give you guys a natural rival in the league...do you really think there's interest enough in UALR to add football? I went to UALR for a basketball game a few years back and was told by UALR people that UCA gets more support than UALR does...

I know several folks who were, or still are, connected with UALR athletics and they tell me there's zero chance they'll ever add football. Football in the U of A system is played in Fayetteville and there's little appetite to spread it to Little Rock. Up until two years ago, they didn't even fully fund their baseball program.

McNeese_beat

December 10th, 2007, 11:26 PM

I know several folks who were, or still are, connected with UALR athletics and they tell me there's zero chance they'll ever add football. Football in the U of A system is played in Fayetteville and there's little appetite to spread it to Little Rock. Up until two years ago, they didn't even fully fund their baseball program.

They do spread it to Little Rock...when the hogs play there ;)

Fresno St. Alum

December 11th, 2007, 12:36 AM

If the SLC takes a non-football member to replace Texas St. assuming Lamar or who ever else adds FB they could take UTPA or Oral Roberts

McNeese_beat

December 11th, 2007, 01:34 AM

If the SLC takes a non-football member to replace Texas St. assuming Lamar or who ever else adds FB they could take UTPA or Oral Roberts

Both are travel problems. One of the advantages of the league is most of the trips are bus trips. It's almost like a northeastern league with its close proximities.

Fresno St. Alum

December 11th, 2007, 01:40 AM

UTPA would be close for TAMU-CC. It sucks that UTPA used to be in the sun belt and now have been without a conference for 8 or 9 years. Someone should let them in

TexasTerror

December 11th, 2007, 07:41 AM

UTPA would be close for TAMU-CC. It sucks that UTPA used to be in the sun belt and now have been without a conference for 8 or 9 years. Someone should let them in

SLC does not want UTPA. They lack a few programs -- namely softball and women's soccer. There's no chance at football at Pan Am either. They'll let UTPA apply, but no chance...

Pan Am's best chance for a conference is if they are needed if the non-FB schools get the boot from the Belt.

MplsBison

December 11th, 2007, 11:21 AM

I know several folks who were, or still are, connected with UALR athletics and they tell me there's zero chance they'll ever add football. Football in the U of A system is played in Fayetteville and there's little appetite to spread it to Little Rock. Up until two years ago, they didn't even fully fund their baseball program.

U of Ark even plays a few games in Little Rock.

I doubt that UALR would add football.

TexasTerror

December 11th, 2007, 11:59 AM

UCA plays one game a year in Little Rock...

Ark-PB vs Grambling is in LR too...

Fresno St. Alum

December 11th, 2007, 12:33 PM

Best shot for UTPA is the Summit.

Chicago St. has put themselves in the same boat. getting kicked out of their conference.

It would be real nice to see all SLC members have fb

TAMU-CC
UTSA
UTA
Lamar

MplsBison

December 11th, 2007, 12:56 PM

Yeah but UTSA and Lamar want to go FBS.

Fresno St. Alum

December 11th, 2007, 12:58 PM

Want and Do may be different things. If they do move up then add Tarleton St. & Delta St. or C.Oklahoma or W.Texas A&M

MplsBison

December 11th, 2007, 01:02 PM

How about adding UALR for UCA in non FB sports?

Mr. Tiger

December 11th, 2007, 03:33 PM

Want and Do may be different things. If they do move up then add Tarleton St. & Delta St. or C.Oklahoma or W.Texas A&M

Delta State did a study on moving up to Division I a few years ago and deemed the move too expensive. They would be perfect for the Southland. They have great D2 football, basketball, and baseball programs.

TexasTerror

December 11th, 2007, 06:35 PM

Delta State did a study on moving up to Division I a few years ago and deemed the move too expensive. They would be perfect for the Southland. They have great D2 football, basketball, and baseball programs.

They would definitely help with the SLC tradition of beating SWAC schools...xthumbsupx

SLC shell would be growing to a state it has never ventured before...

BEAR

December 12th, 2007, 03:41 PM

Thanks to HB on UCAFANS.COM, this appears to be a possible schedule for UCA football next year. TBA seems to be undefeated. No one can win anything on that day. By the way, Huck the Fogs.

2008 Football Schedule

Date
Opponent
Location
Time

8/28
Henderson State
Conway
7 p.m.

9/6
UC Davis
Conway
6 p.m.

9/13
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Little Rock
6 p.m.

9/20
TBA
Conway
6 p.m.

9/27
Tulsa
Tulsa, Okla.
6 p.m.

10/11
Sam Houston State (Homecoming)
Conway
6 p.m.

10/18
Texas State
San Marcos, Texas
6 p.m.

10/25
Southeastern Louisiana
Conway
6 p.m.

11/1
Nicholls State
Thibodaux, La.
6 p.m.

11/8
Northwestern State
Conway
4 p.m.

11/15
Stephen F. Austin
Nacogdoches, Texas
6 p.m.

11/22
McNeese State
Conway
4 p.

TexasTerror

December 17th, 2007, 11:24 AM

Article on schools other than Lamar in the SLC and where they stand with football...

Lamar not only Southland Conference school seeking football's return
By PERRYN KEYS, The Enterprise
12/17/2007

Eighteen years after its football program died, Lamar University is attempting to bring it back to life.

The Cardinals aren't alone.

In addition to Southeastern Louisiana, which re-instated football in 2003, at least three SLC members - Texas-Arlington, Texas-San Antonio and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi - have conducted feasibility studies within the last three years about returning to the gridiron.

While one school appears to be moving forward with its plans, two others have decided to place football on the shelf for now.

http://beaumontenterprise.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19120943&BRD=2287&PAG=461&dept_id=583964&rfi=6

McTailGator

December 22nd, 2007, 09:11 AM

Who replaces Texas State - San Marcos as the 12th member? I think Tarleton State would do the task -- they've expressed interest before. 10 football schools would be nice, but 9 is the best for the schools.

If the SLC does not add a football school (thanks to Lamar and A&M-CC adding football), then who would the SLC add? Maybe if UALR gets the boot from the Sun Belt, we can add them to have a natural rival and travel partner for UCA.

Personally, I don't think it's a big deal for us to have 12 members...

But I'd vote for UALR over another football team as long as we are only allowed to play 11 games in most years. 9 SLC teams in FB only give us 3 OOC games, which is not enough in 11 game seasons. We MUST have a money game, so that is a road trip, and we MUST have a 6th home game given our revenue from our large amount of season ticket holders.

4 home SLC games only gives us 2 chances for other home games. If one of those are a quality FCS home and home, than we must play a D-II every year to get another home game. And then the next year, you have to return the home and home with the FCS. This means a 5 home game year everyother year. We must have 6 and a money game to balance our budget. And I think we should all try not to play D-II's too often (if ever).

A 10th SLC FB team is too many unless we don't play 1 or 2 of them in any given year on a rotating basis.

MaximumBobcat

December 23rd, 2007, 09:25 PM

They do -- but, of course...they can't compete with the McNeeses (football) or Sam Houstons (basketball) of the world. Gawd forbid SHSU's softball and baseball teams continue their success, because those were two sports that the folks in San Marcos dominated as far as Texas SLC schools go...

Sigh...it's exhausting keeping up with you sometimes TT. The Bobcats are just one season removed from beating the Cowboys THREE times in a row. You've had our ticket in basketball the past few years under Nutt, but in the upcoming seasons I think Bobcat basketball will be far removed from what you've seen of late.

patssle

December 23rd, 2007, 11:02 PM

The Bobcats are just one season removed from beating the Cowboys THREE times in a row

You might beat them...but it means nothing if they still win the championship and you don't.

Its like McNeese beating us every year in basketball...means jack since they end up sucking and we end up competing for the championship.

MaximumBobcat

December 24th, 2007, 01:20 AM

You might beat them...but it means nothing

It means we can compete, at least a lot of the time (excluding this year xlolx) which was the point I was refuting.

McTailGator

December 24th, 2007, 02:40 PM

Sigh...it's exhausting keeping up with you sometimes TT. The Bobcats are just one season removed from beating the Cowboys THREE times in a row. You've had our ticket in basketball the past few years under Nutt, but in the upcoming seasons I think Bobcat basketball will be far removed from what you've seen of late.

Prior to your 3 wins over 4 years it had been WHAT? 15 years without a win vs McNeese???

To all you BobCat fans that said in 04 and 05 that McNeese had won it's last SLC Championship... And we have the e-mails to GEAUXCOWBOYS.com to prove it.

We are currently opening our 2006 and 2007 "REPEAT" SLC Championship T-Shirts from under our Chirstmas Trees today! xxmasx

Our orders have been placed for our 2nd THREE PEAT shirts in the last 8 years for next year. That will of course make it 6 SLC championships in the last 8 years.

And you guy's though we had won our last. xlmaox

WE have won 12 to your ONE!

And we start construction in two weeks on our new field and in 3 months on our new $9 Million Dollar + EndZone Complex that will now doubt be the best in the SLC, and close the door on us having to compete so hard for recruits. That's MORE than $10 Million Dollars being spent on what is ALREADY the BEST and toughest SLC football VENUE NOW.

It's done, boys. Try to keep up now.

patssle

December 24th, 2007, 03:05 PM

From the pictures I've seen...your EZC won't be nearly as nice as Texas State's.

Can't speak for the inside though..just going on outside looks.

McTailGator

December 24th, 2007, 03:13 PM

From the pictures I've seen...your EZC won't be nearly as nice as Texas State's.

Can't speak for the inside though..just going on outside looks.

It will be nicer and MUCH BIGGER...

And about 5,000 feet BIGGER. The team will have a GREAT Lounge area overlooking the field, now that the club house will be used for a Team plaza, Academic Center, and Adm. Office space instead of just a 450 seat club house (the plans and drawing on GC.com are no longer up to date).

Our archtecture will fit our school, and TxSU fit's theirs. Don't let a person preference on style sway your dicision on QUALITY.

Our wieght room and Sports Medicine rooms are TWICE the size of the BoobCats, and we already have a training equipment manufacture, designing the CUSTOMED equipment for the new room, (WITH AN INDOOR 40 yard track). The room is supposed to be a SHOWROOM for the Training Equipment manufacture.

TexasTerror

December 24th, 2007, 05:26 PM

Football will be nice for McNeese...just watch out for those horse flies in Burton Coliseum... ;)

MaximumBobcat

December 24th, 2007, 05:42 PM

Prior to your 3 wins over 4 years it had been WHAT? 15 years without a win vs McNeese???

I think you're off by more than 50% there buddy. Good Louisiana education huh? xlolx Just joshin' ya...but yeah it was 7 years. The nineties weren't good for SWT football.

To all you BobCat fans that said in 04 and 05 that McNeese had won it's last SLC Championship... And we have the e-mails to GEAUXCOWBOYS.com to prove it.

We are currently opening our 2006 and 2007 "REPEAT" SLC Championship T-Shirts from under our Chirstmas Trees today! xxmasx

Our orders have been placed for our 2nd THREE PEAT shirts in the last 8 years for next year. That will of course make it 6 SLC championships in the last 8 years.

And you guy's though we had won our last. xlmaox

And to all the McNeese fans that said McNeese was back and 07 was their year to finally win the big one... xlolx xnodx

McTailGator

December 25th, 2007, 04:56 PM

Football will be nice for McNeese...just watch out for those horse flies in Burton Coliseum... ;)

Yea, I know what you mean. We have got to get us a new arena on campus and get out of that damn old barn.

We are working on rebuilding and improving our baseball stadium over the next year or two. Once complete, maybe we can start talking about tearing down those old crappy Married Apartments next to the stadium and building us a new state of the art arena on campus.

But we will have to crap about $20 Million to do that, and will be tough in a football town where state funding will not be available. But we must get it done.

McTailGator

December 25th, 2007, 05:09 PM

I think you're off by more than 50% there buddy. Good Louisiana education huh? xlolx Just joshin' ya...but yeah it was 7 years. The nineties weren't good for SWT football.

And to all the McNeese fans that said McNeese was back and 07 was their year to finally win the big one... xlolx xnodx

We don't need to win the BIG one.

WE JUST NEED TO WIN THE SLC TO BE YOUR DADDY! xwhistlex Give us a little competition to help us prepare for the post season and we'll make you proud. You really need to improve your product on the field to help us tough up for OUR regular post season appearances you know. So in a way, it's YOUR teams fault.

And for the record, McNeese, has played in 26 post season games in 13 years.

BoobCats have played in 3 games, in its ONE YEAR WONDER YEAR until stopping to take a knee. xoopsx

SAY IT! WHO'S YOUR DADDY?! xsmiley_wix

McNeese - 12 time SLC Champions,

Winner of 5 of the last 7 years. xbowx

All other SLC teams only have 11 SLC Championships COMBINED, and our closest compeditor only has 4. xthumbsupx

TexasTerror

December 25th, 2007, 05:31 PM

Keep in mind the Bobcats won with players recruited questionably by one Manny Mataskis. The majority of the big name players on that 2005 team were MM recruited studs.

MaximumBobcat

December 26th, 2007, 01:45 PM

LOL, McTailGator, nobody was talking Smack till you came. Stop it, you are making yourself look silly. I could start up with you, but I don't want to sink to your Lousiana-Level.

TT, we found players that wanted to come play football and become a Bobcat. The WANTED to be Bobcats and they became CHAMPIONSHIP Bobcats. You can try to sully that all you want, but it just makes you look like McTailgator. Sad.

Happy New Years Boys!

TexasTerror

December 26th, 2007, 03:46 PM

TT, we found players that wanted to come play football and become a Bobcat. The WANTED to be Bobcats and they became CHAMPIONSHIP Bobcats. You can try to sully that all you want, but it just makes you look like McTailgator. Sad.

Barrick Nealy -- weren't there some questionable issues there related to him leaving Houston? Fred Evans was brought in by Mataskis too. Who else?

Mataskis racked up NCAA violations for your program. There was plenty more that he did that were not NCAA violations, but very questionable acts. Guess it takes cheating and under the table dealings to get things done in San Marcos on the gridiron...

And to think, if SHSU would've knocked the 'Cats off (lost in OT) in that final game, the Bobcats would've never been in the playoffs EVER at the Division I level...

MaximumBobcat

December 26th, 2007, 04:18 PM

Yeah, Barrick was injured, didn't see much of a future for himself at UH and Matsakis had to illegally recruit him because UH still wanted BN to sit on the bench as their insurance policy in case their starter got injured. It was a bad deal all the way around, and I don't see why you have repeatedly brought it up.

Cheating and under the table dealings to get things done in San Marcos? Get over yourself man, you are ridiculous. SHSU has on their roster currently the most highly publicized NCAA violator in recent memory.

Jason, you can have your wet dreams over what if SHSU knocked off the Bobcats in 05 all you want, but you didn't, we won.

Purple Pride

February 14th, 2008, 07:17 AM

How about adding UALR for UCA in non FB sports?UCA already plays against them in 6 sports.

TexasTerror

February 14th, 2008, 07:37 AM

Glad someone resurrected this post...

Lots of developments between Lamar and Texas State - San Marcos. The next week when the Board of Regents meet will be a big week for both schools as they look to make next steps with their football programs...

patssle

February 14th, 2008, 08:52 AM

Any update with Corpus? It would be great if they added football too...since Lamar makes up for TXST eventually leaving.

centexguy

February 14th, 2008, 09:02 AM

Any update with Corpus? It would be great if they added football too...since Lamar makes up for TXST eventually leaving.

The last I heard is that they want their enrollment to reach 10,000 before starting a football team and right now their enrollment is around 8500.

Fresno St. Alum

February 17th, 2008, 11:39 PM

TexasTerror

February 18th, 2008, 08:12 AM

Even with Lamar replacing Texas St. in football I figure that the SLC will still go after a football playing D-II school like C.Oklahoma or Tarleton St. over taking UTPA who doesn't have it. 9 is better for football. Plus you have to wonder what Lamar will do after a few years in FCS.

What the issue is -- with the moratorium, there's a few years to see how things develop. Even if Texas State - San Marcos is leaving the SLC as it relates to football, we do have Lamar as you noted and of course, we may learn more about A&M-CC or UTSA in the next few years as it relates to their football programs...

We will need a 12th school, but I think the football vs non-football issue falls on what's the status of the schools in the conference as it relates to adding football. If there's a very strong non-FB program, the SLC may look there (but, Centenary and UTPA are not that)...

UCAMonkey

February 18th, 2008, 01:24 PM

TXST_CAT

February 18th, 2008, 01:42 PM

Prior to your 3 wins over 4 years it had been WHAT? 15 years without a win vs McNeese???

To all you BobCat fans that said in 04 and 05 that McNeese had won it's last SLC Championship... And we have the e-mails to GEAUXCOWBOYS.com to prove it.

We are currently opening our 2006 and 2007 "REPEAT" SLC Championship T-Shirts from under our Chirstmas Trees today! xxmasx

Our orders have been placed for our 2nd THREE PEAT shirts in the last 8 years for next year. That will of course make it 6 SLC championships in the last 8 years.

And you guy's though we had won our last. xlmaox

WE have won 12 to your ONE!

And we start construction in two weeks on our new field and in 3 months on our new $9 Million Dollar + EndZone Complex that will now doubt be the best in the SLC, and close the door on us having to compete so hard for recruits. That's MORE than $10 Million Dollars being spent on what is ALREADY the BEST and toughest SLC football VENUE NOW.

It's done, boys. Try to keep up now.

xnonox

If everything goes as planned. The student fee will speed up the BB/SB complex and fund expansion of Bobcat Stadium. Not to mention donors that have been hold back dollars will have no excuse to with hold donations. xthumbsupx

McNeese75

February 18th, 2008, 01:50 PM

xnonox

If everything goes as planned. The student fee will speed up the BB/SB complex and fund expansion of Bobcat Stadium. Not to mention donors that have been hold back dollars will have no excuse to with hold donations. xthumbsupx

27,000+ students X $ per credit hour to athletic budget = big bucks.

McNeese will not be able to keep up with the funds available for improvments, coache's salaries, etc that Tx State will enjoy. The real question is, will that ever convert to the level of success in athletics that is being promised to or dreamed about by Cat fans?

TXST_CAT

February 18th, 2008, 01:56 PM

We don't need to win the BIG one.

WE JUST NEED TO WIN THE SLC TO BE YOUR DADDY! xwhistlex Give us a little competition to help us prepare for the post season and we'll make you proud. You really need to improve your product on the field to help us tough up for OUR regular post season appearances you know. So in a way, it's YOUR teams fault.

And for the record, McNeese, has played in 26 post season games in 13 years.

BoobCats have played in 3 games, in its ONE YEAR WONDER YEAR until stopping to take a knee. xoopsx

SAY IT! WHO'S YOUR DADDY?! xsmiley_wix

McNeese - 12 time SLC Champions,

Winner of 5 of the last 7 years. xbowx

All other SLC teams only have 11 SLC Championships COMBINED, and our closest compeditor only has 4. xthumbsupx

I admitt McNesse is the team to beat in the SLC. Keep in mind with all the talk about moving up, there is one thing all TXST fans agree on, wins bring fans and dollars, and TXST isn't done winning. Last year we had no defense. With the DC fired and TXST rumored to bring back the 4-2-5 I expect TXST to take down McNesse again in '08.

slycat

February 18th, 2008, 01:56 PM

27,000+ students X $ per credit hour to athletic budget = big bucks.

McNeese will not be able to keep up with the funds available for improvments, coache's salaries, etc that Tx State will enjoy. The real question is, will that ever convert to the level of success in athletics that is being promised to or dreamed about by Cat fans?

i saw on another thread that mcneese doesnt have student fees for athletics. with all the money issue in louisiana why dont yall add some, even if its just a little to help out?

TXST_CAT

February 18th, 2008, 02:00 PM

27,000+ students X $ per credit hour to athletic budget = big bucks.

McNeese will not be able to keep up with the funds available for improvments, coache's salaries, etc that Tx State will enjoy. The real question is, will that ever convert to the level of success in athletics that is being promised to or dreamed about by Cat fans?

Given the fact we just out recruited many FBS programs in the state. Many of the better recruits beeing hand picked for defense. I truely feel with the 4-2-5 defense TXST will see plenty of wins the next few years.

McNeese75

February 18th, 2008, 02:10 PM

TXST_CAT

February 18th, 2008, 02:16 PM

:D now, you know, we aint skeered xlolx

I see the SLC beeing very tough the next few years as it always is. If and when we move on the SLC will have to concern itself with who will follow. I think there may be a few other SLC teams looking to move out also. The SLC should just decide to become the next South West Conference. xthumbsupx

TexasTerror

February 18th, 2008, 02:55 PM

Given the fact we just out recruited many FBS programs in the state. Many of the better recruits beeing hand picked for defense. I truely feel with the 4-2-5 defense TXST will see plenty of wins the next few years.

You guys have always ranted and raved about your recruiting classes -- what results have those brought? Your institution's fan base is very reminiscent of what we have in basketball with that juggernaut Lamar...

And out-recruiting FBS schools? All FCS schools win recruits over FBS institutions. It may be closer to home, more playing time, a certain academic program or just a great relationship with a coach -- that's nothing new...

TXST_CAT

February 18th, 2008, 03:40 PM

You guys have always ranted and raved about your recruiting classes -- what results have those brought? Your institution's fan base is very reminiscent of what we have in basketball with that juggernaut Lamar...

And out-recruiting FBS schools? All FCS schools win recruits over FBS institutions. It may be closer to home, more playing time, a certain academic program or just a great relationship with a coach -- that's nothing new...

Not only did we recruit some of their recruits but some of the best on the recruiting list. Of the schools that we competed with two of the three star athletes chose TXST over their FBS offer.
xpeacex

TexasTerror

February 18th, 2008, 04:08 PM

Not only did we recruit some of their recruits but some of the best on the recruiting list. Of the schools that we competed with two of the three star athletes chose TXST over their FBS offer.
xpeacex

Sometimes, that's about loyalty...SHSU was on the RB Clay earlier in the game. As he impressed, he got attention from Baylor, Colorado State and other FBS schools. Dave Campbell was even shocked he landed at SHSU over the "Division I" schools...

This happens much more frequently than our fans realize at this level...

Lionsrking

February 19th, 2008, 11:28 AM

Sometimes, that's about loyalty...SHSU was on the RB Clay earlier in the game. As he impressed, he got attention from Baylor, Colorado State and other FBS schools. Dave Campbell was even shocked he landed at SHSU over the "Division I" schools...

This happens much more frequently than our fans realize at this level...

It does happen occasionally, but more often than not, the star rated players who fall to FCS schools are generally kids who were offered by FBS schools over the summer, but are eventually dropped when they don't develop. We've all signed guys like that thinking we're getting the real deal but once they get on campus, you realize they're simply guys the bigger schools didn't want.

To me, the best FCS signs are the kids who fly completely under radar for one reason or another and escape the hype of the recruiting services. Nowadays if a kid doesn't attend an off-season combine or attend a school camp over the summer, there's a good he could fall through the cracks. At least early on when all the offers start flying around. More and more FBS classes are filling up by the middle of the season and many of those kids get left behind.

JoshUCA

February 19th, 2008, 11:35 AM

It does happen occasionally, but more often than not, the star rated players who fall to FCS schools are generally kids who were offered by FBS schools over the summer, but are eventually dropped when they don't develop. We've all signed guys like that thinking we're getting the real deal but once they get on campus, you realize they're simply guys the bigger schools didn't want.

To me, the best FCS signs are the kids who fly completely under radar for one reason or another and escape the hype of the recruiting services. Nowadays if a kid doesn't attend an off-season combine or attend a school camp over the summer, there's a good he could fall through the cracks. At least early on when all the offers start flying around. More and more FBS classes are filling up by the middle of the season and many of those kids get left behind.

We got one of those "flying under the radar guys" in our QB Nathan Brown!!

TXST_CAT

February 19th, 2008, 11:53 AM

It does happen occasionally, but more often than not, the star rated players who fall to FCS schools are generally kids who were offered by FBS schools over the summer, but are eventually dropped when they don't develop. We've all signed guys like that thinking we're getting the real deal but once they get on campus, you realize they're simply guys the bigger schools didn't want.

To me, the best FCS signs are the kids who fly completely under radar for one reason or another and escape the hype of the recruiting services. Nowadays if a kid doesn't attend an off-season combine or attend a school camp over the summer, there's a good he could fall through the cracks. At least early on when all the offers start flying around. More and more FBS classes are filling up by the middle of the season and many of those kids get left behind.

That's true but lately TXST has been in recuiting wars with the likes of UTEP, SMU, RICE, UofH and this year we were fighting for a player Purdue wanted. They were arranging a last minute campus visit days before signing day. It's made for a very exciting recruiting season. Now we just need to wait and see if these guys are the real deal or just hype. Also we have a few under the radar types as well. Having a head coach with high school ties is paying of well.

Lionsrking

February 19th, 2008, 12:45 PM

That's true but lately TXST has been in recuiting wars with the likes of UTEP, SMU, RICE, UofH and this year we were fighting for a player Purdue wanted. They were arranging a last minute campus visit days before signing day. It's made for a very exciting recruiting season. Now we just need to wait and see if these guys are the real deal or just hype. Also we have a few under the radar types as well. Having a head coach with high school ties is paying of well.

Just about every school in this league can make the same claim. But usually what you find is you really aren't battling FBS schools as much as you're waiting to see what crumbs they leave behind. It's not uncommon to "beat" a competing offer from an FBS school, when that school is scrambling to fill a late need and your school has been on a guy all year, but that's not really "beating" them. It's more like fending them off.

When an FCS truly "beats" an FBS school, it's usually a special circumstance like the kid doesn't want to go too far from home, has family ties to a school or an emotional tie to a coach, or is dead set on playing a particular position. We signed a couple of kids like that this year. One wanted to play tailback while all of his FBS offers were to play fullback, except for UL-Lafayette, which he absolutely hated it on his visit. The other kid has a step-brother who played for us and he had ties to our O-line coach. We had several others who had last minute fallback offers but I don't know that we can say we battled and beat those FBS schools, we simply survived the raid other than a couple of instances.

UCABEARS75

February 19th, 2008, 01:38 PM

I see the SLC beeing very tough the next few years as it always is. If and when we move on the SLC will have to concern itself with who will follow. I think there may be a few other SLC teams looking to move out also. The SLC should just decide to become the next South West Conference. xthumbsupx

I was wondering when this would be mentioned.

In fact, I have heard that this is a topic of discussion with league and school officials.

TXST_CAT

February 19th, 2008, 01:48 PM

Just about every school in this league can make the same claim. But usually what you find is you really aren't battling FBS schools as much as you're waiting to see what crumbs they leave behind. It's not uncommon to "beat" a competing offer from an FBS school, when that school is scrambling to fill a late need and your school has been on a guy all year, but that's not really "beating" them. It's more like fending them off.

When an FCS truly "beats" an FBS school, it's usually a special circumstance like the kid doesn't want to go too far from home, has family ties to a school or an emotional tie to a coach, or is dead set on playing a particular position. We signed a couple of kids like that this year. One wanted to play tailback while all of his FBS offers were to play fullback, except for UL-Lafayette, which he absolutely hated it on his visit. The other kid has a step-brother who played for us and he had ties to our O-line coach. We had several others who had last minute fallback offers but I don't know that we can say we battled and beat those FBS schools, we simply survived the raid other than a couple of instances.

I don't consider Three Star Recruits crumbs. some schools we competed with had no three stars in their recruiting classes. As for why a Kid chooses a school is up to debate. The end result is all that matters. they chose TXST over them. One recruit's father was upset his son chose TXST over Texas Tech and SMU. The Player loved what we had to offer and that's that. I don't feel any FCS fan should down play their recruits.

TXST_CAT

February 19th, 2008, 01:50 PM

I was wondering when this would be mentioned.

In fact, I have heard that this is a topic of discussion with league and school officials.

It would be interesting to see.

Lionsrking

February 20th, 2008, 02:41 AM

I don't consider Three Star Recruits crumbs.

Some are, some aren't. Neither of the two three-star players Texas State signed had FBS offers as of late January. Not saying they aren't good players, but they obviously weren't hot commodities in the FBS world. We signed two Rivals three-star players as well and I could say the same thing about them. We like them and think they'll be great fits for us, but we're realistic enough to know we didn't beat SEC schools for their signatures.

GeauxLions94

February 21st, 2008, 12:45 PM

BearsCountry

February 21st, 2008, 02:04 PM

How about Arkansas-Little Rock for the Southland? Or does it have to be somebody with football.

MaximumBobcat

February 21st, 2008, 02:09 PM

How about Arkansas-Little Rock for the Southland? Or does it have to be somebody with football.

football is preferrable

TexasTerror

February 21st, 2008, 02:14 PM

How about Arkansas-Little Rock for the Southland? Or does it have to be somebody with football.

Not sure UALR would want to "move down" from the SBC to the SLC. They do have a pretty nice basketball facility that would top any in the SLC.

Instant-rivalry with UCA. Would love if the SLC got another school in Arkansas, but I do not know which one that'd be...

GeauxLions94

February 21st, 2008, 03:25 PM

Would love if the SLC got another school in Arkansas, but I do not know which one that'd be...

Three that come to mind would be:
Southern Arkansas "Muleriders"
Henderson State "Reddies"
Arkansas Tech "Wonderboys"

Wonder if FSA is getting one of them for his next avatar? xrotatehx

Purple Pride

February 21st, 2008, 03:49 PM

Three that come to mind would be:
Southern Arkansas "Muleriders"
Henderson State "Reddies"
Arkansas Tech "Wonderboys"

Wonder if FSA is getting one of them for his next avatar? xrotatehx
The thing about those teams, though, is Tech is mediocre at the d2 level, and the other 2 are pretty bad. Arkansas' D2 teams are the whipping boys of the Gulf South Conference.

Lionsrking

February 21st, 2008, 06:07 PM

Three that come to mind would be:
Southern Arkansas "Muleriders"
Henderson State "Reddies"
Arkansas Tech "Wonderboys"

Wonder if FSA is getting one of them for his next avatar? xrotatehx

Of those three, Arkansas Tech would be the best bet. Magnolia, Arkansas (Southern Arkansas) is harder to get to than Thibodaux and I don't see any way they could support D-I athletics given the school's size and location. The other two schools are at least easily accessible but I think Tech has more upside in terms of the peripheral stuff. But I don't think any of the three would move anytime soon.

Lionsrking

February 21st, 2008, 06:10 PM

The thing about those teams, though, is Tech is mediocre at the d2 level, and the other 2 are pretty bad. Arkansas' D2 teams are the whipping boys of the Gulf South Conference.

I don't think the level of D-II success would have much to do with it. If they decided to make the financial commitment, they could do it.

BEAR

February 21st, 2008, 06:31 PM

I don't think any of the Arkansas schools mentioned would have the cash anytime soon. Henderson St. would be the best possibility of the above mentioned. They have deep pockets but facilities have got to be upgraded bigtime. Harding University has a nice facility for football. Ark. Tech was comparable to UCA before all the upgrades to Estes etc..

Here's the Harding link for their facilities. Very nice for a DII school. Excellent field.

http://www.hardingsports.com/Sports/gen/2005/Athletic%20Facilities.asp

Fresno St. Alum

February 21st, 2008, 06:43 PM

Geaux, no one can move up until 2011 so C.Oklahoma should be okay by then. UCO & Tarleton St. are the 2 most ready so far. I have heard the Texas A&M-Commerce has the facilities to move up according to the D-II LSC guys.

Someone else was saying that the Arkansas teams weren't good enough to move up. You don't need to be good enough you just have to want to move up and have money. NJIT & Longwood moved up. What did they ever do in D-II.

Fresno St. Alum

February 21st, 2008, 06:46 PM

geaux, I'm sporting Delta St. today since TT loves them.

UCABEARS75

February 22nd, 2008, 10:51 AM

geaux, I'm sporting Delta St. today since TT loves them.

Delta is the best bet from the GSC.

Ark Tech is growing as an institution and their location (right on I-40 between Little Rock and growing NW Arkansas) will help them keep growing.

They could make the move pretty easily should they so choose.

TexasTerror

February 22nd, 2008, 04:13 PM

geaux, I'm sporting Delta St. today since TT loves them.

Glad your finally joining me on my side!

Delta State would have to add a few more sports, namely all components of T&F for the men and both indoor/outdoor T&F...women's golf as well.

They have a problem for their swim programs and men's soccer team. Only 10 SLC sports...

Fresno St. Alum

February 22nd, 2008, 04:18 PM

chrisattsu

February 22nd, 2008, 11:12 PM

I agree with you that they have the best football team and have had good basketball teams in the past. Tarleton St. is always good at basketball. I don't remember the last time they made the playoffs in football. I would like C.Oklahoma to deal with its NCAA sanctions and get to D-I already.

The last time we made the playoffs was 2003.

It's not like we have had bad records.

2001- 10-3 (National Quarterfinalist) / LSC champ
2002- 9-2 North Divisional Champ
2003- 8-4 (Playoffs) North Divisional Champ
2004- 6-4
2005- 7-3
2006- 6-4 South Divisional Co-champs (started in 0-3 hole, finished 6-1)
2007- 9-2 (Final Season standings #20 in country, #7 in region left out of playoffs)

chrisattsu

February 22nd, 2008, 11:21 PM

Tarleton's other sports-
Women's tennis in Top 25
Women's Golf #2 in the country (currently undefeated)
Softball and Volleyball stay towards the top of the conference

Track, Field, and Cross Country do alright, but Abilene Christian is the king of D2 track. They have something like 50 National Championships.

Men's Baseball can't ever seem to find its groove.

However, we have an amazing rodeo program. We win national championships like crazy. We are one of only six schools in National College Rodeo history to have Men and Women's teams win the "All-Around" in the same year. --This is not NCAA sanctioned, however NCRA has D1, D2, D3, NAIA, and Juco Institutions competing.

Fresno St. Alum

February 22nd, 2008, 11:22 PM

I was hoping you would come here and shed some light on the football part. I just remember the last few years looking at the bracket there was no Tarleton St.

Fresno St. Alum

February 22nd, 2008, 11:24 PM

chris, you don't need to post that other stuff FB, BKB, and maybe a little Baseball are really the only sports that matter in college. I know all about Abilene Christian.

Purple Pride

February 23rd, 2008, 01:07 AM

D@mn, did you say "Rodeo"????

That's some funny **** right there, and I'm from Arkansas.xasswhipx

BEAR

February 23rd, 2008, 10:43 AM

The last time we made the playoffs was 2003.

It's not like we have had bad records.

2001- 10-3 (National Quarterfinalist) / LSC champ
2002- 9-2 North Divisional Champ
2003- 8-4 (Playoffs) North Divisional Champ
2004- 6-4
2005- 7-3
2006- 6-4 South Divisional Co-champs (started in 0-3 hole, finished 6-1)
2007- 9-2 (Final Season standings #20 in country, #7 in region left out of playoffs)

Yeah, but they had that 6 - 4 season..........xlolx xlolx xlolx

chrisattsu

February 23rd, 2008, 12:06 PM

Yeah, but they had that 6 - 4 season..........xlolx xlolx xlolx

EDIT-- Sorry I did fuzzy math late last night off the athletics site. The site's history section said that Tarleton lost 4-in-a-row during the middle of the season and then won the final 4-in-a-row. Tarleton actually was 7-4 (Source- the 2005 media guide). Our starting quarterback suffered a season-ending injury during the 3rd game of the season (which we won 19-3). Over the next couple of games, we shuffled through 2 other QB's until we settled on Freshman David Durrell for the rest of the season.

We were 7-3 against D2 competition. However, we did have a routing by Sam Houston at the end of our losing streak. (note- In 2004, Sam, guided by Texas A&M-transfer Dustin Long, made it to the I-AA Semis. Also, the year before (2003) we went to Huntsville and beat Sam 39-20)

Aug. 26 vs. New Mexico Highlands W 35-7 2538
Sept. 4 Texas A&M-Commerce W 42-16 4216
Sept. 11 *at Midwestern State W 19-3 9500
Sept. 18 *Abilene Christian L 31-14 6018
Sept. 25 !at Central Oklahoma L 42-17 6648
Oct. 2 !East Central L 21-17 3156
Oct. 7 at Sam Houston State L 44-14 6944
Oct. 16 !Southeastern Oklahoma W 32-27 4318
Oct. 23 !at Northeastern State W 52-14 1500
Oct. 30 *at West Texas A&M W 34-14 2068
Nov. 6 ! Southwestern Oklahoma W 46-12 2836

chrisattsu

February 23rd, 2008, 12:25 PM

D@mn, did you say "Rodeo"????

That's some funny **** right there, and I'm from Arkansas.xasswhipx

Yes, I said rodeo. We have a lot of cowboys on campus. Many A&M people that I know say, "Tarleton is the only school that makes A&M look cosmopolitan." Some people refer to us as "Redneck A&M".

We started our program in 1947. Since then we have won Six "All Around" (Team) National Championships, and 13 Individual National Championships, and NCRA Coach of the Year Award (2006).

Is this something I participated in? No. Is this something that I knew about Tarleton when I got there? You could see it, but I didn't realize that it was that big. Am I proud of my Alma Mater for their success-- ABSOLUTELY.

Other schools with rodeo programs that you can laugh at (mind you these are NCRA top 25 programs)-
Montana, Montana St, Tennessee-Martin, Arkansas-Montecello, Cal Poly, UNLV, NM St, Wyoming, A&M, Sam Houston, Texas Tech, Utah State,Troy University, and countless others.

You may be from Arkansas, but there is a difference between Country and Western. If you don't believe me look at Western Swing Musician Bob Wills. The man showed up on the Grand Ole Opre in Boots and a Cowboy hat while everyone else looked like they came out of the mountains. Record labels loved to promote the Hillbilly image (until that day). After that, everyone was copying him.

NCRA Top 25 is filled with mostly western schools because the sport was developed in the western part of the country. People still continue to herd cattle, rope, and ride in as a daily part of business in the part of this/that part of the country.