AGS Poll Results - FINAL - 2021 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

1/10/2022



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
North Dakota State Bison
1025
41


2
Montana State Bobcats
961



3
James Madison Dukes
960



4
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
897



5
Sam Houston Bearkats
825



6
Montana Grizzlies
815



7
Villanova Wildcats
768



8
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
723



9
Eastern Washington Eagles
696



10
Sac State Hornets
620



11
Kennesaw State Owls
601



12
Incarnate Word Cardinals
570



13
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
487



14
Southern Illinois Salukis
442



15
Missouri State Bears
439



16
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
412



17
Dartmouth Big Green
302



18
UC Davis Aggies
296



19
Holy Cross Crusaders
284



20

South Dakota Coyotes
253



21

Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
231



22
Princeton Tigers
160



23
Northern Iowa Panthers
135



24
Harvard Crimson
94



25
Jackson State Tigers
85
















ORV:




26
Mercer Bears
75



27
Sacred Heart Pioneers
34



28
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23



29sT
Florida A&M Rattlers
21



29sT
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21



31
Weber State Wildcats
19



32
South Carolina State Bulldogs
17



33T
Nicholls Colonels
10



33T
Monmouth Hawks
7



33T
Davidson Wildcats
7



36
Rhode Island Rams
5



37
William & Mary Tribe
2



38T
Chattanooga Mocs
1



38T
Maine Black Bears
1



38T
Richmond Spiders
1

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I should have highlighted the 1 pt. difference between 2&3 but missed it until I posted it.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's the final poll's article for your perusal: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-final-2021-top-25-results/

Some pretty lazy voting at #2 IMO. Having watched my Bison play both of them there's no way I could rank Montana St in front of JMU regardless of Mellott's injury. Similarly, I didn't think EWU should have been pushed down out of the top 8 just because they lost in the 2nd round... kinda disappointing that all the semifinalists were in the top 4 and all the quarterfinalists were in the top 8 IMO. Also, raise your hand if you predicted more Ivy League teams finishing the season in the top 25 than CAA teams.

[Bisonator]

**** I missed the deadline, just got my poll submitted. It was a rough weekend to recover from, just got back this morning and I'm dragging!xnonono2x

[Preferred Walk-On]

Here's the final poll's article for your perusal: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-final-2021-top-25-results/

Some pretty lazy voting at #2 IMO. Having watched my Bison play both of them there's no way I could rank Montana St in front of JMU regardless of Mellott's injury. Similarly, I didn't think EWU should have been pushed down out of the top 8 just because they lost in the 2nd round... kinda disappointing that all the semifinalists were in the top 4 and all the quarterfinalists were in the top 8 IMO. Also, raise your hand if you predicted more Ivy League teams finishing the season in the top 25 than CAA teams.

As lazy as Delaware @ #4 last spring?
https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?273961-AGS-Poll-Results-FINAL-POLL-2021-SPRING-SEASON&highlight=poll+results+spring

[Preferred Walk-On]

As lazy as Delaware @ #4 last spring?
https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?273961-AGS-Poll-Results-FINAL-POLL-2021-SPRING-SEASON&highlight=poll+results+spring

1 pt difference between #4 and #5 there is eerily similar to 1 pt difference between #2 and #3 this year.

[Professor Chaos]

Here was mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Sac State Hornets
14: Missouri State Bears
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: Dartmouth Big Green
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Stephen F Austin Lumberjacks
20: Harvard Crimson
21: Holy Cross Crusaders
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Mercer Bears
24: Princeton Tigers
25: Monmouth Hawks

I kinda wanted to switch Montana State with Montana at #3 and #4 due to head-to-head but I used the Mellott factor (or lack thereof) in that game as my excuse not to even though I ranked Montana above SDSU essentially because they handled Montana St easily and SDSU lost to them. I'll admit my own pretzel logic is kind of icky there.

[POD Knows]

Here's the final poll's article for your perusal: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-final-2021-top-25-results/

Some pretty lazy voting at #2 IMO. Having watched my Bison play both of them there's no way I could rank Montana St in front of JMU regardless of Mellott's injury. Similarly, I didn't think EWU should have been pushed down out of the top 8 just because they lost in the 2nd round... kinda disappointing that all the semifinalists were in the top 4 and all the quarterfinalists were in the top 8 IMO. Also, raise your hand if you predicted more Ivy League teams finishing the season in the top 25 than CAA teams.
Big time on JMU and MSU. JMU was a far better team. I had them at 2.

[MR. CHICKEN]

]As lazy as Delaware @ #4 last spring?[/SIZE]
https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?273961-AGS-Poll-Results-FINAL-POLL-2021-SPRING-SEASON&highlight=poll+results+spring


.....DIGGIN' UP BONES....xrolleyesx.....BRAWK!

[Professor Chaos]

As lazy as Delaware @ #4 last spring?
https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?273961-AGS-Poll-Results-FINAL-POLL-2021-SPRING-SEASON&highlight=poll+results+spring
Looks that way in retrospect but at the time I didn't think that was so outrageous. Delaware also didn't hop over anyone in the final spring poll from the final regular season spring poll other than Weber St and that was definitely justified. Montana St had to hop over JMU in this one.

[POD Knows]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Sam Houston Bearkats
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Sac State Hornets
10: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
11: Missouri State Bears
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Incarnate Word Cardinals
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
22: Mercer Bears
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Harvard Crimson

[caribbeanhen]

Here's the final poll's article for your perusal: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-final-2021-top-25-results/

Some pretty lazy voting at #2 IMO. Having watched my Bison play both of them there's no way I could rank Montana St in front of JMU regardless of Mellott's injury. Similarly, I didn't think EWU should have been pushed down out of the top 8 just because they lost in the 2nd round... kinda disappointing that all the semifinalists were in the top 4 and all the quarterfinalists were in the top 8 IMO. Also, raise your hand if you predicted more Ivy League teams finishing the season in the top 25 than CAA teams.

Yes, I chuckled when I saw Montana St over JMU, but I don’t really think it’s laziness but more voter demographics

Also Jackson St at 25 just ain’t necessary

[Catbooster]

Sorry, I spaced it last night with some other family things going on. I would have probably flip-flopped JMU and MSU, so for those JMU fans that wanted to make "AGS Poll Runners-up 2021" T-shirts, I apologize.

Why is 20th place listed as a tie but the points for the two teams are different?

[caribbeanhen]

xconfusedx
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Sam Houston Bearkats
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Sac State Hornets
10: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
11: Missouri State Bears
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Incarnate Word Cardinals
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
22: Mercer Bears
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Harvard Crimson

WTF ? 3 Ivies :D

Harvard curb stomped Holy Cross though

[Professor Chaos]

Yes, I chuckled when I saw Montana St over JMU, but I don’t really think it’s laziness but more voter demographics

Also Jackson St at 25 just ain’t necessary
Agreed on JSU but I had a real hard time finding someone for that 25th spot. I also didn't really think UNI with 6 losses should be a top 25 team. I think Mercer should've been in there... just because the committee snubbed them doesn't mean we have to. I put Monmouth in as my #25 but reluctantly at best... I guess you could make an argument for JSU over Monmouth.

[MR. CHICKEN]

As lazy as Delaware @ #4 last spring?
https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?273961-AGS-Poll-Results-FINAL-POLL-2021-SPRING-SEASON&highlight=poll+results+spring

....IT WAS AN * SEASON.....DAT'S WHAA DERE'S AN *.......xsighx......BRAWK!

[POD Knows]

xconfusedx

WTF ? 3 Ivies :D

Harvard curb stomped Holy Cross though
So what. I actually moved HC up a little. They played well at the end of the year and looked good against Nova. The Ivy’s are in there because who the hell else are you going to put in there?

[kdinva]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston Bearkats
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Sac State Hornets
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: Holy Cross Crusaders
18: Missouri State Bears
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Mercer Bears
22: Jackson State Tigers
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Dartmouth Big Green
25: Rhode Island Rams

kdinva

[POD Knows]

Agreed on JSU but I had a real hard time finding someone for that 25th spot. I also didn't really think UNI with 6 losses should be a top 25 team. I think Mercer should've been in there... just because the committee snubbed them doesn't mean we have to. I put Monmouth in as my #25 but reluctantly at best... I guess you could make an argument for JSU over Monmouth.
I had Mercer and UNI in my top 25 because I think they beat everybody behind them.

[paward]

Wow my Spiders got one vote! Was not me.

[Preferred Walk-On]

.....DIGGIN' UP BONES....xrolleyesx.....BRAWK!

Not trying to "dig" on Delaware, just an example I remembered.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Looks that way in retrospect but at the time I didn't think that was so outrageous. Delaware also didn't hop over anyone in the final spring poll from the final regular season spring poll other than Weber St and that was definitely justified. Montana St had to hop over JMU in this one.

Yeah, but they only "hopped" them by 1 pt. Just pointing out that I think "lazy" might be a bit strong. That's all.

[caribbeanhen]

So what. I actually moved HC up a little. They played well at the end of the year and looked good against Nova. The Ivy’s are in there because who the hell else are you going to put in there?

I’m just trying to bust on you, has anyone promoted the Ivies more than me on here

your Holy Cross reasoning is weak

[caribbeanhen]

Not trying to "dig" on Delaware, just an example I remembered.

did you remember it this fall when they were very over rated for weeks?

[POD Knows]

I’m just trying to bust on you, has anyone promoted the Ivies more than me on here

your Holy Cross reasoning is weak
Maybe I should put SDSU ahead of NDSU. After all they beat NDSU.

[caribbeanhen]

Wow my Spiders got one vote! Was not me.

Not me either but they probably deserved 1 vote, they got better towards the end

- - - Updated - - -


Maybe I should put SDSU ahead of NDSU. After all they beat NDSU.

Nope

[MR. CHICKEN]

Hello MR. CHICKEN,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 1/9/2022 14:04:54

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Sam Houston Bearkats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Missouri State Bears
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Sac State Hornets
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: Dartmouth Big Green
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
21: Holy Cross Crusaders
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Mercer Bears
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

MR. CHICKEN

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Montana State Bobcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association


......IN RETRO/RUH ROH......SHOODAH HAD S. ILLINOIS...OVERAH SOUFF DAKOTAH........BUT IT.....WAS....OVERAH MONTH..UH PIGGY TA CONSIDER.........HARVARD BEHIND HOLY COW.....'CAUSE......BIG RED WAS FIRST IN LINE....FROM WEEK 12 POLL....TA ENTER TOP 25.....BUT DID JUMP NORFFERN IOWA.....FO' LOSIN' HALF DUH SEASON......AWK!

[Professor Chaos]

Yeah, but they only "hopped" them by 1 pt. Just pointing out that I think "lazy" might be a bit strong. That's all.
I'd guess MSU and JMU were the consensus #2 and #3 in some order so tough for either to get much of a margin over the other. It appears at least 21 voters put Montana St above JMU which is pretty lazy IMO.

[ElCid]

22: Jackson State Tigers



Really? They were suspect before their little game. But especially after getting taken to the woodshed by SC State. Their SOS was seriously bad. I gave them the benefit of the doubt until then.

[Chalupa Batman]

Here’s mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Sam Houston Bearkats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Sac State Hornets
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Southern Illinois Salukis
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
17: Dartmouth Big Green
18: Holy Cross Crusaders
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Mercer Bears
21: Princeton Tigers
22: Harvard Crimson
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: South Carolina State Bulldogs

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Jackson State Tigers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Chalupa Batman]

Really? They were suspect before their little game. But especially after getting taken to the woodshed by SC State. Their SOS was seriously bad. I gave them the benefit of the doubt until then.

I agree. Had them at 20 or something at the end of the regular season but in no way could justify leaving them in after the way they lost to SC State. Plus the fact a team JSU barely beat (Florida A&M) looked really bad in their playoff game.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Sam Houston Bearkats
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
11: Dartmouth Big Green
12: Kennesaw State Owls
13: Sac State Hornets
14: Holy Cross Crusaders
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Incarnate Word Cardinals
17: Princeton Tigers
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
20: Harvard Crimson
21: Southern Illinois Salukis
22: Sacred Heart Pioneers
23: Mercer Bears
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: South Carolina State Bulldogs

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[JSUSoutherner]

I agree. Had them at 20 or something at the end of the regular season but in no way could justify leaving them in after the way they lost to SC State. Plus the fact a team JSU barely beat (Florida A&M) looked really bad in their playoff game.
Everytime I see JSU referring to Jackson State it's weird. We should do what we do for Indiana State and Illinois State and have JSUb and JSU. :D

[Chalupa Batman]

Everytime I see JSU referring to Jackson State it's weird. We should do what we do for Indiana State and Illinois State and have JSUb and JSU. :D

That would’ve been a good idea, but there’s no need for that now. [emoji6]

[JSUSoutherner]

That would’ve been a good idea, but there’s no need for that now. [emoji6]
Well it hadn't mattered until this year because nobody talked about Jackson State. But now they got Deion so everyone is obligated to overrate the **** out of them.

[Chalupa Batman]

so everyone is obligated to overrate the **** out of them.

So we are are rightfully calling them JSU then!





Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

[JSUSoutherner]

So we are are rightfully calling them JSU then!





Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
Well no one is ranking us so we can't be overrated.

[McCowboys]

Hello McCowboys,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote
Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Sam Houston Bearkats
9: Holy Cross Crusaders
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Sac State Hornets
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Missouri State Bears
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: Dartmouth Big Green
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Sacred Heart Pioneers
23: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
24: Princeton Tigers
25: Mercer Bears

McCowboys

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

If I had known that teams which received just one vote would be listed in this final poll, I might have voted for McNeese at #25 just so I could see them one time this year in a poll.
Hopefully, it won't be long before the Cowboys are a regular in the polls again.
Have a great offseason everyone! Fall 2022 can't get here soon enough for me!

[Chalupa Batman]

Well no one is ranking us so we can't be overrated.

Touché

[POD Knows]

Well it hadn't mattered until this year because nobody talked about Jackson State. But now they got Deion so everyone is obligated to overrate the **** out of them.
This. Also. Did anybody look at the coaches poll. They had the Running Neons in the top 20 I think.

[KPSUL]

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 1/9/2022 8:11:22

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Sam Houston Bearkats
6: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: Sac State Hornets
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Holy Cross Crusaders
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Dartmouth Big Green
19: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Sacred Heart Pioneers
24: UC Davis Aggies
25: Mercer Bears

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Sorry, I spaced it last night with some other family things going on. I would have probably flip-flopped JMU and MSU, so for those JMU fans that wanted to make "AGS Poll Runners-up 2021" T-shirts, I apologize.

Why is 20th place listed as a tie but the points for the two teams are different?

Missed it when posting the spreadsheet up. Fixed now.

You might click that link in your email and check and see if it is still open. Doesn't count in the official posting but will save a perfection if necessary. I always leave it open for those that traveled to have a chance if they need it.

[ElCid]

So we are are rightfully calling them JSU then!





Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

That's funny.

[dewey]

Here is my top 25.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Dartmouth Big Green
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Sac State Hornets
14: Missouri State Bears
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Southern Illinois Salukis
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Mercer Bears
23: Jackson State Tigers
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

Dewey

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Sam Houston Bearkats
8: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
9: Sac State Hornets
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Holy Cross Crusaders
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Southern Illinois Salukis
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Dartmouth Big Green
19: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Sacred Heart Pioneers
25: Harvard Crimson


JMU deserved to be #2. Absolutely no reason for them not to be.

Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk

[Puddin Tane]

Knowing that un frickin i would end up in this poll, i held a silent boycott and didnt vote

[FUBeAR]

Knowing that un frickin i would end up in this poll, i held a silent boycott and didnt vote
Whaddayamean?

Didn’t the fact that UNI lost their (Committee gift-wrapped) Playoff game to a Team that lost their next game to a Team that lost their next game to a Team that lost their next game convince you that everyone should just throw UNI’s 6-6 record out the window because they have an MVFC patch on their uniform?

Even the official Stats Perform poll, based upon such an impressive 0-1 Playoff run by UNI, moved them up from Unranked to #23.

No Team in FCS Football has the ability to & tradition of ‘failing up’ that the Panthers bring to the SubDivision.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Knowing that un frickin i would end up in this poll, i held a silent boycott and didnt vote

You mean the un frickin i team that held the Walter Payton Award winner and Eastern Washington to their lowest point total of the year, beat Sac State (at Sac State) handily, held Iowa State (FBS) to their 2nd lowest point total (behind Clemson), and beat semifinalist South Dakota State. That un frickin i? I think them ending up in this poll is probably not too criminal or egregious, and I would have loved to see who you had ahead of them in the bottom 5. That said, maybe someday they will put up the record that is actually indicative of how good they are rather than how inconsistent they can be.

[JSUSoutherner]

Knowing that un frickin i would end up in this poll, i held a silent boycott and didnt vote
I thought the point of a silent protest was to be silent.

[caribbeanhen]

I think SLU took a collective AGS thumbs down after JMU game

JMU curb stomps everybody in playoffs minus Alabison so what I’m saying is
Southeastern Louisiana got kind of a bad deal here

[caribbeanhen]

You mean the un frickin i team that held the Walter Payton Award winner and Eastern Washington to their lowest point total of the year, beat Sac State (at Sac State) handily, held Iowa State (FBS) to their 2nd lowest point total (behind Clemson), and beat semifinalist South Dakota State. That un frickin i? I think them ending up in this poll is probably not too criminal or egregious, and I would have loved to see who you had ahead of them in the bottom 5. That said, maybe someday they will put up the record that is actually indicative of how good they are rather than how inconsistent they can be.

UNI # 7 on Massey

no problem ranking them in top 25

https://masseyratings.com/cf2021/fcs/ratings

[FUBeAR]

I think SLU took a collective AGS thumbs down after JMU game

JMU curb stomps everybody in playoffs minus Alabison so what I’m saying is
Southeastern Louisiana got kind of a bad deal hereNah - also didn’t belong in Playoffs. Just look at their schedule/record. Good QB, but not a very good all around Team. Young though…so they might get better. Heavily overrated all this year though.

[caribbeanhen]

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 1/9/2022 7:12:09

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Sam Houston Bearkats
6: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Missouri State Bears
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Dartmouth Big Green
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Harvard Crimson
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: Sac State Hornets
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Mercer Bears
24: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
25: Sacred Heart Pioneers

[FUBeAR]

UNI # 7 on Massey

no problem ranking them in top 25

https://masseyratings.com/cf2021/fcs/ratingsSo, if you’re endorsing MasseyLogic, then UNI being ranked AHEAD of Teams that gave them 60% of their 5 FCS losses makes perfect sense to you?

[caribbeanhen]

Nah - also didn’t belong in Playoffs. Just look at their schedule/record. Good QB, but not a very good all around Team. Young though…so they might get better. Heavily overrated all this year though.

You are making my point here, the whipping they took in Harrisonburger is distorting your perceptions

they were completely overwhelmed at JMU just like every other FCS team minus a few would of been

but forget it this is splitting hairs and really LK2 case to make if he chooses

JMU crushes ETSU if they had the chance

sleep on that 😂

[FUBeAR]

You are making my point here, the whipping they took in Harrisonburger is distorting your perceptions

they were completely overwhelmed at JMU just like every other FCS team minus a few would of been

but forget it this is splitting hairs and really LK2 case to make if he chooses

JMU crushes ETSU if they had the chance

sleep on that Not making your point at all. SLU was meh. And Villanova, Richmond, W&M … and even Elon … who lost to 0-8 in the SoCon, Wofford…were not overwhelmed by JMU in recent games. And, we shouldn’t ignore the SoCon’s VMI onside kicking for a chance to possess/win at the end of a playoff game at JMU about 9 months ago.

You need to update your calibrator. You’re still running 2016 software on there.

[Chalupa Batman]

I think SLU took a collective AGS thumbs down after JMU game

JMU curb stomps everybody in playoffs minus Alabison so what I’m saying is
Southeastern Louisiana got kind of a bad deal here


Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 1/9/2022 7:12:09

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Sam Houston Bearkats
6: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Missouri State Bears
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Dartmouth Big Green
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Harvard Crimson
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: Sac State Hornets
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Mercer Bears
24: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
25: Sacred Heart Pioneers




SLU ranked in the final poll exactly where you had them. You’re saying you gave them a raw deal too?

[Puddin Tane]

I thought the point of a silent protest was to be silent.

read again! I HELD a silent protest.

Now im bringing it to streets. Planning a million man march to protest this atrocity and to free the world from mvfc/uni bias.

beer and boudin will be provided!

———

Translated to Alabama-bonics for JSU

well golllll-ly, they gone and made puddin madder than a wet hen.
hes havin a hissy fit bout that uppity skool in ioway. Hes gonna give out weird sausage and free Blue Ribbon and go traipsin through the countryside.I think his cheese done slid off the cracker.

[FUBeAR]

read again! I HELD a silent protest.

Now im bringing it to streets. Planning a million man march to protest this atrocity and to free the world from mvfc/uni bias.

beer and boudin will be provided!

———

Translated to Alabama-bonics for JSU

well golllll-ly, they gone and made puddin madder than a wet hen.
hes havin a hissy fit bout that uppity skool in ioway. Hes gonna give out weird sausage and free Blue Ribbon and go traipsin through the countryside.I think his cheese done slid off the cracker.Link to sign-up?

[caribbeanhen]

Not making your point at all. SLU was meh. And Villanova, Richmond, W&M … and even Elon … who lost to 0-8 in the SoCon, Wofford…were not overwhelmed by JMU in recent games. And, we shouldn’t ignore the SoCon’s VMI onside kicking for a chance to possess/win at the end of a playoff game at JMU about 9 months ago.

You need to update your calibrator. You’re still running 2016 software on there.

You left out Delaware on the CAA teams, que up the triggered gif. I think score was 22-3 JMU but I would say this is the same phenomena that keeps MVFC teams in close games with the Bison in regular season.

Ive watched a ton of Southland games and remember back in 2019 a great game between Nichols and SLA... so much talent on display and then Villanova heads into Hammond and gets beat. Cole Kelly played too but was not the starter but looked good, You could see they had the it factor

fast forward to Game one spring season SLU at Sam Houston the eventual champion, a great game it was with Sammy pulling it out but SLA looked really good. I know their Defense is the Waterloo. Should of been same team this fall carried over from spring. They absolutely belonged in playoffs

they lost to a very good Incarnate Ward team and a good Nichols State team. Southland top teams are pretty talented when they have the ball and fun to watch.

[caribbeanhen]

SLU ranked in the final poll exactly where you had them. You’re saying you gave them a raw deal too?

Yea kind of. I didn’t realize that but I knew something felt dirty about my poll and couldn’t put my finger on it

Do you think that bad loss at JMU left a bad stigma for SLU?

[Chalupa Batman]

Yea kind of. I didn’t realize that but I knew something felt dirty about my poll and couldn’t put my finger on it

Do you think that bad loss at JMU left a bad stigma for SLU?

It wasn’t just that loss to me. Their last 4 regular season games they limped by McNeese, lost to UIW, blew out Northwestern State, and lost to Nicholls. The loss to JMU just removed any benefit of the doubt I might’ve given their performance coming down the stretch.

[OhioHen]

Agreed on JSU but I had a real hard time finding someone for that 25th spot. I also didn't really think UNI with 6 losses should be a top 25 team. I think Mercer should've been in there... just because the committee snubbed them doesn't mean we have to. I put Monmouth in as my #25 but reluctantly at best... I guess you could make an argument for JSU over Monmouth.
If you can make an argument for Jackson State over Monmouth, you can make a massive case for South Carolina State over Jackson State.

[caribbeanhen]

It wasn’t just that loss to me. Their last 4 regular season games they limped by McNeese, lost to UIW, blew out Northwestern State, and lost to Nicholls. The loss to JMU just removed any benefit of the doubt I might’ve given their performance coming down the stretch.

Ill give you that, they didn’t exactly go out like a Lion

[OhioHen]

I don't publish my weekly poll but here's my final poll.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston Bearkats
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Sac State Hornets
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Southern Illinois Salukis
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Missouri State Bears
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
21: Princeton Tigers
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Mercer Bears
25: Weber State Wildcats

OhioHen

The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: Jackson State Tigers

Note that Montana State is listed as the most significant win because they moved up 5 spots for me as a result of the playoffs (it was 6 spots before the championship game showed them to deserve dropping behind JMU). And I had overrated Jackson State (they were as high as 16 in my final regular season poll, dropped behind some first round playoff winners to 19 in my tracking then got curb-stomped by a team that had never made it into my top 40) so they had the most significant loss.

FWIW, UNI was 26 and Monmouth 27.

[Professor Chaos]

If you can make an argument for Jackson State over Monmouth, you can make a massive case for South Carolina State over Jackson State.
I try to avoid too much recency bias (which is why I kinda cringe seeing the finalists as the top 2, all the semifinalists as the top 4, and all the quarterfinalists as the top 8). You can make an argument for SCSU over Jackson St based on the CB but SCSU also lost Alabama A&M (who JSU obliterated), got throttled by FAMU (who JSU beat), and lost to a 5-6 NC A&T by multiple scores. They also have nothing for quality wins outside of JSU. Beating JSU handily in the CB wasn't enough for me to overlook the rest of that. I didn't think either should be ranked but if I was to rank only one it would've been JSU comparing the body of work for both teams.

[OhioHen]

I think SLU took a collective AGS thumbs down after JMU game

JMU curb stomps everybody in playoffs minus Alabison so what I’m saying is
Southeastern Louisiana got kind of a bad deal here
SELA moved up one spot from the final regular season poll to the final poll. Not sure that's such a bad deal. Same treatment from me (14 to 13).

[KPSUL]

Southeastern Louisiana was the 2nd best team in the 5th Best Conference. JMU dominated them more than any opponent since Week 1 vs Morehead St. Ranking them 16th was probably too generous. I gave them too much credit for beating the consensus worst team in round 1 of the 2021 FCS playoffs.

[kdinva]

Not making your point at all. SLU was meh. And Villanova, Richmond, W&M … and even Elon … who lost to 0-8 in the SoCon, Wofford…were not overwhelmed by JMU in recent games. And, we shouldn’t ignore the SoCon’s VMI onside kicking for a chance to possess/win at the end of a playoff game (even after two turnovers in the red zone) at JMU about 9 months ago....

JMU/ETSU would have been a six point game, if played.......SE La would go 3-5 in SoCon.

[ngineer]

Here's the final poll's article for your perusal: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-final-2021-top-25-results/

Some pretty lazy voting at #2 IMO. Having watched my Bison play both of them there's no way I could rank Montana St in front of JMU regardless of Mellott's injury. Similarly, I didn't think EWU should have been pushed down out of the top 8 just because they lost in the 2nd round... kinda disappointing that all the semifinalists were in the top 4 and all the quarterfinalists were in the top 8 IMO. Also, raise your hand if you predicted more Ivy League teams finishing the season in the top 25 than CAA teams.

Agreed. JMU certainly appeared stronger than MSU. They got my #2 vote.

[smilo]

Last two spots were brutal. I considered SFA, but the conference really proved to be atrocious. Probably weighted heavily on playoff results compared to my past final polls.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Sam Houston Bearkats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Dartmouth Big Green
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Missouri State Bears
14: Kennesaw State Owls
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Jackson State Tigers

[katss07]

Jackson State would lose to every team in the ORV

[BisonBacker]

I should have highlighted the 1 pt. difference between 2&3 but missed it until I posted it.

All due respect to Montana State but JMU is #2 not that it matters anymore as they are now moving on to FBS.

[JSUSoutherner]

Jackson State would lose to every team in the ORV

Honestly I think saying Jackson State wasn't even the best JSU could be a legitimate conversation.

[Chalupa Batman]

Last two spots were brutal. I considered SFA, but the conference really proved to be atrocious. Probably weighted heavily on playoff results compared to my past final polls.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Sam Houston Bearkats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Dartmouth Big Green
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Missouri State Bears
14: Kennesaw State Owls
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Jackson State Tigers

Why the hate for SFA? Their last game they traveled to the #11 team in your poll and lost in OT.

[caribbeanhen]

Why the hate for SFA? Their last game they traveled to the #11 team in your poll and lost in OT.

if you rank UC Davis you should probably be ranking SF Austin

[Chalupa Batman]

if you rank UC Davis you should probably be ranking SF Austin

UC Davis shouldn't be anywhere near the poll.

But yes if you rank the Aggies then the Lumberjacks should most definitely be ranked.

[caribbeanhen]

UC Davis shouldn't be anywhere near the poll.

But yes if you rank the Aggies then the Lumberjacks should most definitely be ranked.

I agree and did not rank UC Davis

[ElCid]

I agree and did not rank UC Davis

I ranked em both. Not much to choose from otherwise.

[smilo]

Why the hate for SFA? Their last game they traveled to the #11 team in your poll and lost in OT.

They could have been #25 in hindsight when I was flipping back and forth on Jackson State. One data point. They also lost to Jacksonville State and didn't beat anyone ranked. The only really impressive thing this season was almost beat SHSU. Maybe more a case of bumping UIW too much when they could have been 15. As I said, low on the whole conference.


if you rank UC Davis you should probably be ranking SF Austin

UC-Davis at least counteracts its bad loss by beating Tulsa and a road win vs. Weber is still more impressive than SFA's whole schedule.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I agree and did not rank UC Davis

Neither did I! UC-Davis, Davidson and UNI are the 3 playoff teams that did not make my Final Top 25....but 3 Ivies did xnodx

[SFA 93]

Yep, it will always be the "oh what could have been season for SFA"

L @TEXAS TECH 22-28 (last play of the game at the Tech 7; WR Gibson held at the goaline, no call)
L #1 SHSU 20-21 (missed field goal on the last play)
L @#24 JACKSONVILLE STATE 24-28 (Pass intercepted on the last drive)
L @#13 UIW 28-35 (OT) (Pass intercepted at the UIW 17 yard line 31 sec left in regulation)

Did beat #19 EKU 31-17 and (RV) UCA 27-14

[caribbeanhen]

Here's the final poll's article for your perusal: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-final-2021-top-25-results/

Some pretty lazy voting at #2 IMO. Having watched my Bison play both of them there's no way I could rank Montana St in front of JMU regardless of Mellott's injury. Similarly, I didn't think EWU should have been pushed down out of the top 8 just because they lost in the 2nd round... kinda disappointing that all the semifinalists were in the top 4 and all the quarterfinalists were in the top 8 IMO. Also, raise your hand if you predicted more Ivy League teams finishing the season in the top 25 than CAA teams.

Very true on JMU just being the better team but that can be the Dukes little going away present probably AGS crowd