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lion4life

November 22nd, 2021, 11:20 PM

Is there even a debate when it comes to this or should Cole go ahead and make room in his trophy case for his 2nd Award?

Cole Kelley by the numbers
Passing Yards - 4382 (#1 in FCS)
Passing Touchdowns - 38 (#2 in FCS)
Rushing Touchdowns - 16 (#2 in FCS)
Comp Percentage - 74.2 (#1 in FCS)
Passing Efficiency - 179.5 (#1 in FCS)

Only Player in FCS in Top 10 in passing TDs and Rushing TDs

katss07

November 22nd, 2021, 11:27 PM

Eric Barriere does it against real defenses

grizband

November 22nd, 2021, 11:28 PM

dudeitsaid

November 22nd, 2021, 11:29 PM

I'd say it's pretty likely. I think if Barriere could've stayed on the same clip he was through the first half of the season, he would've gotten it. I think he still may, it depends on how they measure his performance against tougher competition. If that's factored in, Barriere may pull it out. I'd put it at 90% Cole Kelley, and 10% Barriere.

lionsrking2

November 23rd, 2021, 02:17 AM

Eric Barriere does it against real defenses

He does? What constitutes a "real defense" in your view? Did the Kats have a good defense in the spring?

Bison Fan in NW MN

November 23rd, 2021, 04:50 AM

Gawdy stats from a poor conference or very good stats from a tougher conference?

I'd vote Barriere.

lion4life

November 23rd, 2021, 07:45 AM

Cole’s biggest numbers were against the best teams on the schedule. He didn’t pay in the second half in a lot of the games this season

JayJ79

November 23rd, 2021, 07:49 AM

I'd like to see the award go to an offensive lineman.
I know that will never ever happen because even though the o-line is the key to a football team's success, they never get the recognition they deserve.

ST_Lawson

November 23rd, 2021, 08:49 AM

He does? What constitutes a "real defense" in your view? Did the Kats have a good defense in the spring?

He put up huge numbers against us (WIU). I would not call what we put on the field this year "defense".

Daytripper

November 23rd, 2021, 09:00 AM

I've been a huge Kelley fan all season but he looked average against Nicholls.

Puddin Tane

November 23rd, 2021, 12:41 PM

Gawdy stats from a poor conference or very good stats from a tougher conference?

I'd vote Barriere.

Defending national champion came outta what conference?

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Cole’s biggest numbers were against the best teams on the schedule. He didn’t pay in the second half in a lot of the games this season

dont confuse em with facts

katss07

November 23rd, 2021, 12:52 PM

He does? What constitutes a "real defense" in your view? Did the Kats have a good defense in the spring?
The Southland plays no defense and any team that comes out of it can be expected to be eliminated and exposed immediately in the playoffs... look at SHSU last ye...wait... or SLU in 2019 against Villa... uhh.. or Nicholls that same yea... hold on.

Cole Kelley's numbers aren't real!

lion4life

November 23rd, 2021, 02:52 PM

I've been a huge Kelley fan all season but he looked average against Nicholls.

The Nicholls game you’re referring to:
36-47 Passing, 385 yards, 3TDs, 49 yards rushing, 3TDs

Average?

Daytripper

November 23rd, 2021, 02:57 PM

The Nicholls game you’re referring to:
36-47 Passing, 385 yards, 3TDs, 49 yards rushing, 3TDs

Average?

I didn't watch the entire game so maybe I missed all of this good stuff. Trust me, I'm a fan.

Bison Fan in NW MN

November 23rd, 2021, 04:19 PM

Defending national champion came outta what conference?

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dont confuse em with facts

xlolx

So what?

Like I said, gawdy numbers in a weak ass conference.

POD Knows

November 23rd, 2021, 05:51 PM

The Nicholls game you’re referring to:
36-47 Passing, 385 yards, 3TDs, 49 yards rushing, 3TDs

Average?
Yea. I watched that game. He looked pretty good to me

grizband

November 23rd, 2021, 07:14 PM

Here's a comparison of season stats between Kelley and Barriere. As you'll notice, other than Total Points Scored, they are almost identical in many categories. The numbers in parentheses are their FCS ranks in those categories (figures without rankings I compiled myself).

Barriere does lead in two underrated categories, though: Yards/Attempt, and Yards/Completion. If the vote were up to me, I would go Barriere, but an argument can be made either way.

Pass Attempts
Kelley - 457
Barriere - 437

Pass Completions
Kelley - 339
Barriere - 293

Passing Yards
Kelley - 4382 (1)
Barriere - 4242 (2)

Passing Yards/Attempt
Barriere - 9.71
Kelley - 9.59

Passing Yards/Completion
Barriere - 14.48 (7)
Kelley - 12.93 (27)

Passing TDs
Barriere - 40 (1)
Kelley - 38 (T3)

Total Points
Kelley - 326 (1)
Barriere - 266 (2)

Interceptions
Barriere - 6 (T5)
Kelley - 6 (T5)

Passing Efficiency
Kelley - 179.54 (1)
Barriere - 176.05 (2)

Total Offense
Kelley - 4824 yards (1)
Barriere - 4466 (2)

Total Offense/Play
Barriere - 8.69 yards/play
Kelley - 8.15 yards/play

Daytripper

November 23rd, 2021, 07:18 PM

Here's a comparison of season stats between Kelley and Barriere. As you'll notice, other than Total Points Scored, they are almost identical in many categories. The numbers in parentheses are their FCS ranks in those categories (figures without rankings I compiled myself).

Barriere does lead in two underrated categories, though: Yards/Attempt, and Yards/Completion. If the vote were up to me, I would go Barriere, but an argument can be made either way.

Pass Attempts
Kelley - 457
Barriere - 437

Pass Completions
Kelley - 339
Barriere - 293

Passing Yards
Kelley - 4382 (1)
Barriere - 4242 (2)

Passing Yards/Attempt
Barriere - 14.48
Kelley - 9.59

Passing Yards/Completion
Barriere - 14.48 (7)
Kelley - 12.93 (27)

Passing TDs
Barriere - 40 (1)
Kelley - 38 (T3)

Total Points
Kelley - 326 (1)
Barriere - 266 (2)

Interceptions
Barriere - 6 (T5)
Kelley - 6 (T5)

Passing Efficiency
Kelley - 179.54 (1)
Barriere - 176.05 (2)

Total Offense
Kelley - 4824 yards (1)
Barriere - 4466 (2)

Total Offense/Play
Barriere - 8.69 yards/play
Kelley - 8.15 yards/play

That's pretty damn close. I think both might get a look at the next level. I hope so, at least.

grizband

November 23rd, 2021, 07:19 PM

That's pretty damn close. I think both might get a look at the next level. I hope so, at least.
Exactly my thought. I wonder when it last occured that two Payton favorites were ranked 1 and 2 in many end of season statistical categories.

caribbeanhen

November 23rd, 2021, 07:22 PM

That's pretty damn close. I think both might get a look at the next level. I hope so, at least.

you know they will

Kelly reminds me of Joe Flacco but of course Joe is a little better

TheKingpin28

November 23rd, 2021, 07:45 PM

you know they will

Kelly reminds me of Joe Flacco but of course Joe is a little betterThat's Joe "Has the Same Amount of Superbowls as Karen Rodgers" Flacco to you sir.

Ain't no slander will be tolerated towards the Superbowl MVP who had arguably that greatest single playoff season ever recorded.

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MSUBobcat

November 23rd, 2021, 07:56 PM

Here's a comparison of season stats between Kelley and Barriere. As you'll notice, other than Total Points Scored, they are almost identical in many categories. The numbers in parentheses are their FCS ranks in those categories (figures without rankings I compiled myself).

Barriere does lead in two underrated categories, though: Yards/Attempt, and Yards/Completion. If the vote were up to me, I would go Barriere, but an argument can be made either way.

Pass Attempts
Kelley - 457
Barriere - 437

Pass Completions
Kelley - 339
Barriere - 293

Passing Yards
Kelley - 4382 (1)
Barriere - 4242 (2)

Passing Yards/Attempt
Barriere - 14.48
Kelley - 9.59

Passing Yards/Completion
Barriere - 14.48 (7)
Kelley - 12.93 (27)

Passing TDs
Barriere - 40 (1)
Kelley - 38 (T3)

Total Points
Kelley - 326 (1)
Barriere - 266 (2)

Interceptions
Barriere - 6 (T5)
Kelley - 6 (T5)

Passing Efficiency
Kelley - 179.54 (1)
Barriere - 176.05 (2)

Total Offense
Kelley - 4824 yards (1)
Barriere - 4466 (2)

Total Offense/Play
Barriere - 8.69 yards/play
Kelley - 8.15 yards/play

Barriere's yards/attempt is 9.71 (4,242/437). 14.48 is his yards/completion. Just bringing it up because it's the only one (besides maybe total points) that has a big difference.

ysubigred

November 23rd, 2021, 08:21 PM

grizband

November 23rd, 2021, 08:45 PM

Barriere's yards/attempt is 9.71 (4,242/437). 14.48 is his yards/completion. Just bringing it up because it's the only one (besides maybe total points) that has a big difference.
I originally had it correct, and am chalking this up to a copy and paste error. Thanks for pointing it out!

caribbeanhen

November 23rd, 2021, 08:54 PM

ysubigred

November 23rd, 2021, 08:55 PM

Ward is better than both of them

big talentI think so.. seen him 1st hand and wowsa..

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grizband

November 23rd, 2021, 09:06 PM

What about UIW QB ward? Seeing all the big numbers from 2 guys who plays a Jerry's Kids and Blind Center schedule but it seems Ward did some damage beating a 1FBS team etc..

Inquiring minds want to know..

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Here are Ward's stats (and rankings). It appears he also has an argument for consideration.

Passing Yards - 3839 (4)
Passing TDs - 38 (T3)
Passing Efficiency - 154.50 (12)
Passing Yards/Completion - 12.55 (37)
Points Responsible For - 228 (4)

It appears he also has an argument for consideration. Ward put up 376 yards, with 4TDs, against Texas State. For comparison, Barriere threw for 374 yards and 3 TDs against UNLV; Kelley had 495 and 3TDs agains La Tech. Essentially, these FBS comparisons are a wash, and Kelley threw for 100 more yards.

If we're comparing schedules, for the, as you put it "Jerry's Kids and Blind Center schedule," let's compare SOS for all three teams:

UIW - 190
SeLA - 196
EWU - 150

EWU has definitely played tougher FCS defenses, including Weber, Montana, and Montana State in their conference schedule. That's not to take anything away from Ward, but I don't think he's played a more difficult schedule this year.

ysubigred

November 23rd, 2021, 09:19 PM

Here are Ward's stats (and rankings). It appears he also has an argument for consideration.

Passing Yards - 3839 (4)
Passing TDs - 38 (T3)
Passing Efficiency - 154.50 (12)
Passing Yards/Completion - 12.55 (37)
Points Responsible For - 228 (4)

It appears he also has an argument for consideration. Ward put up 376 yards, with 4TDs, against Texas State. For comparison, Barriere threw for 374 yards and 3 TDs against UNLV; Kelley had 495 and 3TDs agains La Tech. Essentially, these FBS comparisons are a wash, and Kelley threw for 100 more yards.

If we're comparing schedules, for the, as you put it "Jerry's Kids and Blind Center schedule," let's compare SOS for all three teams:

UIW - 190
SeLA - 196
EWU - 150

EWU has definitely played tougher FCS defenses, including Weber, Montana, and Montana State in their conference schedule. That's not to take anything away from Ward, but I don't think he's played a more difficult schedule this year.Trying to get some attention with some smack.. no harm intended..

Thanks for the research [emoji106]

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grizband

November 23rd, 2021, 09:25 PM

Here are Ward's stats (and rankings). It appears he also has an argument for consideration.

Passing Yards - 3839 (4)
Passing TDs - 38 (T3)
Passing Efficiency - 154.50 (12)
Passing Yards/Completion - 12.55 (37)
Points Responsible For - 228 (4)

It appears he also has an argument for consideration. Ward put up 376 yards, with 4TDs, against Texas State. For comparison, Barriere threw for 374 yards and 3 TDs against UNLV; Kelley had 495 and 3TDs agains La Tech. Essentially, these FBS comparisons are a wash, and Kelley threw for 100 more yards.

If we're comparing schedules, for the, as you put it "Jerry's Kids and Blind Center schedule," let's compare SOS for all three teams:

UIW - 190
SeLA - 196
EWU - 150

EWU has definitely played tougher FCS defenses, including Weber, Montana, and Montana State in their conference schedule. That's not to take anything away from Ward, but I don't think he's played a more difficult schedule this year.

Trying to get some attention with some smack.. no harm intended..

Thanks for the research [emoji106]

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No worries! Honestly, think I forgot about Ward, with all of the focus on Kelley and Barriere.

ysubigred

November 23rd, 2021, 09:29 PM

No worries! Honestly, think I forgot about Ward, with all of the focus on Kelley and Barriere.Any of those 3 QB's would look great in a big red helmet with a white "Y" on it [emoji6]

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lionsrking2

November 23rd, 2021, 10:39 PM

Ward is better than both of them

big talent

First of all, all three of them are good, and I'm sure each fan base or region of the country will be partial to their guy. As for Cameron Ward, he's extremely talented. Has some Patrick Mahomes to his game, quick release, can throw from any angle, spin it 70 yards downfield and drop it in a bucket. He'll take chances and make throws you'll only see on Sundays. From a purely physical perspective, there is no one else like him at the FCS level. But there's nobody else like Cole Kelley either, and I'll take him over anybody. Tremendous leader, consistent improvement from day one, has uncanny ability to diagnose and read defenses, spreads the ball around to multiple receivers, plus he's BIG and can make all the throws. And we run a pro-style offense which should help the transition to the NFL.

lion4life

November 28th, 2021, 11:15 PM

Cole Kelley against Florida A&M: 31-45 345 yards, 4TDs and he didn’t play in the 4th quarter.

His season totals are up to 5200 Total Yards and 58 TDs in 12 games.

Is this really a debate anymore?

dudeitsaid

November 28th, 2021, 11:28 PM

Cole Kelley against Florida A&M: 31-45 345 yards, 4TDs and he didn’t play in the 4th quarter.

His season totals are up to 5200 Total Yards and 58 TDs in 12 games.

Is this really a debate anymore?

I am pretty sure it was only based on the regular season, but honestly, Ward or Barriere would've put up great numbers against FAMU. I still think it's going to be Cole because it's a numbers game.

kalm

November 29th, 2021, 08:00 AM

I am pretty sure it was only based on the regular season, but honestly, Ward or Barriere would've put up great numbers against FAMU. I still think it's going to be Cole because it's a numbers game.

Probably right and I’m ok with either. But the schedule difference is massive and should really negate the numbers advantages for Kelly.

lionsrking2

November 29th, 2021, 11:04 AM

Probably right and I’m ok with either. But the schedule difference is massive and should really negate the numbers advantages for Kelly.

It’s not that massive. The Big Sky is an overhyped league because there are so many schools everybody can’t play everybody. At least half the league is god awful. There are three good teams and a bunch of mediocre to bad.

kalm

November 29th, 2021, 02:43 PM

It’s not that massive. The Big Sky is an overhyped league because there are so many schools everybody can’t play everybody. At least half the league is god awful. There are three good teams and a bunch of mediocre to bad.

There’s a reason why your SoS is 55 and EWU’s is 19. We faced two seeds, and another playoff team. You faced one unseeded playoff team and lost. We faced the 11th, 12th, and 13th rated defenses in FCS. You didn’t play one in the top 50.

caribbeanhen

November 29th, 2021, 09:31 PM

dudeitsaid

November 29th, 2021, 11:43 PM

There’s a reason why your SoS is 55 and EWU’s is 19. We faced two seeds, and another playoff team. You faced one unseeded playoff team and lost. We faced the 11th, 12th, and 13th rated defenses in FCS. You didn’t play one in the top 50.

Kalm and I both agreed it would probably be Kelley, and I wouldn't be mad if it was. But there are going to be factors that will at least create some level of debate. Even though Barriere's numbers aren't as good, Sam Herder voted for Barriere number 1, and Kelley was actually 3rd on his ballot. But like I said, the winner of the award isn't always the best player in the FCS (or there would be positions represented than 90% QB's), but many voters just look at the numbers with zero context, and that's all they go by. I think Kelley as the best offensive player at the FCS level is at least debatable. And that was the question that was asked by lion4life. Seems few are disagreeing it will likely be Kelley, but we wouldn't say it's a shoo-in.

caribbeanhen

November 30th, 2021, 05:39 AM

Kalm and I both agreed it would probably be Kelley, and I wouldn't be mad if it was. But there are going to be factors that will at least create some level of debate. Even though Barriere's numbers aren't as good, Sam Herder voted for Barriere number 1, and Kelley was actually 3rd on his ballot. But like I said, the winner of the award isn't always the best player in the FCS (or there would be positions represented than 90% QB's), but many voters just look at the numbers with zero context, and that's all they go by. I think Kelley as the best offensive player at the FCS level is at least debatable. And that was the question that was asked by lion4life. Seems few are disagreeing it will likely be Kelley, but we wouldn't say it's a shoo-in.

Good stuff

Sam Herder also picked Florida A&M to beat SLA so just saying

BEAR

December 7th, 2021, 02:58 PM

He broke multiple school records, finished 3rd in the nation in receiving yards, @ASUNSports (https://twitter.com/ASUNSports)
Offensive Player of the Year and now finishing as Walter Payton Award Finalist in back to back years. Congrats @bruhtyler18 (https://twitter.com/bruhtyler18)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGBU2oSUYAg9ENN?format=jpg&name=large

F'N Hawks

December 7th, 2021, 03:53 PM

I saw all I needed to last weekend when it was 59-13 in the 3rd quarter. SLU played the three teams twice, like wut?

wapiti

December 7th, 2021, 03:57 PM

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2021-11-26/fcs-football-awards-breaking-down-2021-fcs-walter-payton-award-finalists

Cole Kelley, Eric Barriere and Quay Holmes were invited to the Jan. 7 announcement of the Walter Payton Award as the top three vote-getters.

FUBeAR

December 7th, 2021, 05:11 PM

https://twitter.com/fcs_stats/status/1468263488334315521

So…only 1 of these 3 outstanding Finalists has led their Team into the Quarterfinals of the FCS Playoffs.

In FCS, he is ranked…
#1 in Rushing Yards/game,
#2 in Total Rushing Yards,
#2 in Total Touchdowns,
#3 in Rushing TD’s,
#4 in All-Purpose Yards, and
#4 in Scoring.

Seems kind of obvious that Quay Holmes of ETSU should win the Payton Award this season.

It will be great to have it ‘carried’ back to the SoCon.

While Devlin Hodges (Samford - 2018) and Armanti Edwards (Appy - 2008 & 2009) were great Payton Award Winners and great QB’s, FUBeAR just really has a strong affinity for the tradition of hard-nosed rushing of the Football in the SoCon and the legacy of great Payton Award-Winning SoCon RB’s, such as Jayson Foster (GaSou - 2007 (officially a QB, but he was really a RB in that O)) Louis Ivory (Furman - 2000), and Adrian Peterson (GaSou - 1999).

Hopefully, in the future, other great SoCon RB’s will have much more of a National Platform to show themselves to FCS Football Fans. For example, Holmes RB-mate in ETSU’s backfield, Jacob Saylors, finished just behind Holmes at #5 in All-Purpose Yards, but was #1 in FCS in Yards/Attempt. Saylors also finished #6 in Kickoff Returns. Ailym Ford & Tyrell Price of Chattanooga & Fred Davis of Mercer are 3 other sensational SoCon RB’s who ranked very highly in FCS in multiple statistical categories. Would have loved for them to had an opportunity to demonstrate their capabilities and add to their stats in the FCS Playoffs…maybe next year.

dewey

December 7th, 2021, 05:29 PM

Gawdy stats from a poor conference or very good stats from a tougher conference?

I'd vote Barriere.

Agreed. EB played better defenses. MT twice, Montana State, UC Davis, Weber State and Northern Iowa.

Kelly had a great season but who was his best opponent besides JMU? Incarnate Word?

Dewey

Nickels

December 8th, 2021, 11:38 AM

Ward is better than both of them

big talent

100% agreed. Ward is the real deal and the best qb in FCS.

lionsrking2

December 8th, 2021, 01:48 PM

100% agreed. Ward is the real deal and the best qb in FCS.

Obviously I'm partial to our guy and wouldn't trade him for anybody, but Cameron Ward is far and away the best QB we faced this year. He'll play on Sundays.

Daytripper

December 9th, 2021, 02:43 PM

Obviously I'm partial to our guy and wouldn't trade him for anybody, but Cameron Ward is far and away the best QB we faced this year. He'll play on Sundays.

Agree. If he gets in the right system with the right coach...and give him time. He played in a Wing-T system in high school. I think I read somewhere that he threw about 60 passes his entire high school career.. Got to give (former) HC Eric Morris, or the recruiter who found him, lots of credit for seeing the potential. His ceiling is crazy high.

FUBeAR

December 9th, 2021, 04:28 PM

Agree. If he gets in the right system with the right coach...and give him time. He played in a Wing-T system in high school. I think I read somewhere that he threw about 60 passes his entire high school career.. Got to give (former) HC Eric Morris, or the recruiter who found him, lots of credit for seeing the potential. His ceiling is crazy high.
Yep…lots of credit…and now that he did that…and UIW developed & featured Ward’s skills, he will take his talents elsewhere for a few years…

https://twitter.com/cameron7ward/status/1469006504481202185

“FCS Football! We’re the new JUCO route. Shop us and see!”

lionsrking2

December 9th, 2021, 05:11 PM

Yep…lots of credit…and now that he did that…and UIW developed & featured Ward’s skills, he will take his talents elsewhere for a few years…

https://twitter.com/cameron7ward/status/1469006504481202185

“FCS Football! We’re the new JUCO route. Shop us and see!”
Eric Morris and Ward leaving UIW was the worst kept secret in the SLC. Only question is does he follow Morris to Wazzu or find seek a new mentor somewhere closer to home. Wherever he ends up, that place just got better. Unique talent.

Daytripper

December 9th, 2021, 05:12 PM

Eric Morris and Ward leaving UIW was the worst kept secret in the SLC. Only question is does he follow Morris to Wazzu or find seek a new mentor somewhere closer to home. Wherever he ends up, that place just got better. Unique talent.

Keep an eye on University of Houston.

lionsrking2

December 9th, 2021, 06:14 PM

Keep an eye on University of Houston. UH is a possibility but I’m sure he’ll have a few options.

Daytripper

December 9th, 2021, 06:27 PM

UH is a possibility but I’m sure he’ll have a few options.

I'm thinking close to home, a pass heavy offense, and a move to the Big 12. Their current QB is a junior and decent. Ward may be able to redshirt a year. Not sure what his status is.

lionsrking2

December 9th, 2021, 06:53 PM

I'm thinking close to home, a pass heavy offense, and a move to the Big 12. Their current QB is a junior and decent. Ward may be able to redshirt a year. Not sure what his status is.
I’d be shocked if he goes anywhere to redshirt.

JayJ79

December 10th, 2021, 08:55 AM

“FCS Football! We’re the new JUCO route. Shop us and see!”
I figured this would happen to some degree as soon as the NCAA announced that everyone got a free transfer without having to sit out a season/year/semester/whatever.

MavRabbitMatt

December 11th, 2021, 12:55 PM

Winindy

December 11th, 2021, 09:31 PM

POD Knows

December 11th, 2021, 11:22 PM

Payton finalist Quay Holmes, 10 rushes for 21 yards vs. NDSU.
Non-finalist, and FCS leading rusher Pierre Strong, 23 rushes, 156 yards vs. NDSU.

I know it's not possible to directly compare... but shouldn't WHO you perform against matter in things like the Payton? Crazy idea, I know.
Here is my hugely biased opinion because I hate SDSU like cancer but Strong is a much better back. He is quicker and seems to have better vision. He also played a hell of a lot tougher competition.