AGS Poll Results - Week 6 - 2021

[AGSPoll]

Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
Sam Houston Bearkats
1304
40


2
North Dakota State Bison
1255
6


3
Eastern Washington Eagles
1248
7


4
Southern Illinois Salukis
1161



5
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1075



6
Montana Grizzlies
1023



7
Villanova Wildcats
994



8
Montana State Bobcats
968



9
James Madison Dukes
939



10
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
809



11
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
744



12
Rhode Island Rams
646



13T

Northern Iowa Panthers
599



13T

UC Davis Aggies
599



15
South Dakota Coyotes
482



16
Incarnate Word Cardinals
432



17
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
400



18
Weber State Wildcats
349



19
Missouri State Bears
324



20
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
304



21
Kennesaw State Owls
290



22
Princeton Tigers
234



23
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
216



24
Central Arkansas Bears
146



25
Mercer Bears
129
















ORV:




26
Harvard Crimson
98



27
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
86



28
Duquesne Dukes
75



29
Dartmouth Big Green
55



30
William & Mary Tribe
52



31
New Hampshire Wildcats
38



32
Nicholls Colonels
37



33
Jackson State Tigers
35



34
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
28



35
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17



36
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12



37
Monmouth Hawks
10



38
North Carolina A&T Aggies
9



39
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
2



40
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
1
















Most Significant Win:
Southern Illinois Salukis





Most Significant Loss:
UC Davis Aggies

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Hello Go Lehigh TU owl,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/10/2021 9:58:47

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: Rhode Island Rams
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: South Dakota Coyotes
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Princeton Tigers
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Mercer Bears
24: Missouri State Bears
25: Harvard Crimson

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/10/2021 8:18:53

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Rhode Island Rams
14: South Dakota Coyotes
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Mercer Bears
23: Duquesne Dukes
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Dartmouth Big Green

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[KPSUL]

My week 6 Top 25:

Hello KPSUL,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/10/2021 7:26:01

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Missouri State Bears
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Duquesne Dukes
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

KPSUL

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-6-top-25-results-3/

Had to get all the way down to Kennesaw St at #21 before there was a team that didn't move from last week. I think we're starting to see the impact of so many teams from the MVFC, Big Sky, and CAA being loaded up at the top of the poll... there's going to be more weeks like this one as those conferences continue to cannibalize each other.

[Professor Chaos]

My submission this week... really tried to come up with an excuse to put Jacksonville St at #25 but Mercer just had a better argument for me.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Rhode Island Rams
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Missouri State Bears
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Kennesaw State Owls
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Duquesne Dukes
24: Princeton Tigers
25: Mercer Bears

[Professor Chaos]

I think NDSU and EWU present a pretty interesting debate... the consensus has them very close to each other (only a 7 point difference). I get the feeling this is a still a byproduct of the wacky spring season being played not that long ago and most teams being relatively unchanged this fall. If you look purely at what they've done so far this fall EWU has the clear edge... but NDSU literally ran them out the Fargodome last April in the spring playoffs. How much weight do you put on the spring result? Based on the consensus I'd say quite a bit more weight than is typically put on a previous season at this point of the current season.

[dewey]

I think NDSU and EWU present a pretty interesting debate... the consensus has them very close to each other (only a 7 point difference). I get the feeling this is a still a byproduct of the wacky spring season being played not that long ago and most teams being relatively unchanged this fall. If you look purely at what they've done so far this fall EWU has the clear edge... but NDSU literally ran them out the Fargodome last April in the spring playoffs. How much weight do you put on the spring result? Based on the consensus I'd say quite a bit more weight than is typically put on a previous season at this point of the current season.

Eastern Washington has an FBS win over UNLV and a very good win over a top 10 Montana BUT is it that much better than NDSU's win at a top 15 GFCC team and a 15 UNI team?

Would UNLV beat GFCC or UNI? Partially based on the results below.

UNLV is 0-5
Lost to EWU 35-33 in 2 OT's
Lost to Arizona State 37-10
Lost at home to Iowa State 48-3
Lost at Fresno State 38-30
Lost at UTSA 24-17

UNI Lost at Iowa State 16-10. I know the transitive property isn't always right but boy those results are WAY different.

I agree with you that NDSU is ahead of EWU for the beating the Bison gave them in the spring. I know EWU had quite a few defensive players out but the NDSU D stifled them in the 2nd half and NDSU ran the ball down their throats. Plus this NDSU team is way better offensively.

My 2 cents.

Dewey

[MTfan4life]

🚨🚨 Caution. Controversial opinion alert. xeekx 🚨🚨



1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Southern Illinois Salukis
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Sam Houston Bearkats
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Rhode Island Rams
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: Mercer Bears
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Jackson State Tigers
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Duquesne Dukes
23: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

[Professor Chaos]

Eastern Washington has an FBS win over UNLV and a very good win over a top 10 Montana BUT is it that much better than NDSU's win at a top 15 GFCC team and a 15 UNI team?

Would UNLV beat GFCC or UNI? Partially based on the results below.

UNLV is 0-5
Lost to EWU 35-33 in 2 OT's
Lost to Arizona State 37-10
Lost at home to Iowa State 48-3
Lost at Fresno State 38-30
Lost at UTSA 24-17

I agree with you that NDSU is ahead of EWU for the beating the Bison gave them in the spring. I know EWU had quite a few defensive players out but the NDSU D stifled them in the 2nd half and NDSU ran the ball down their throats. Plus this NDSU team is way better offensively.

My 2 cents.

Dewey
I don't really like judging wins by where teams were ranked at the time so calling the win over a UND a top 15 win is a bit misleading IMO. I give EWU more credit for beating UNLV than you are I'd say. I don't think UND would beat UNLV considering they lost to Utah St by 24 and Utah St isn't that much better than UNLV in my eyes. UND is kind of a dumpster fire right now... unless they can pull a rabbit out of their hat and beat SIU next Saturday their season will probably be circling the drain already.

[dewey]

I don't really like judging wins by where teams were ranked at the time so calling the win over a UND a top 15 win is a bit misleading IMO. I give EWU more credit for beating UNLV than you are I'd say. I don't think UND would beat UNLV considering they lost to Utah St by 24 and Utah St isn't that much better than UNLV in my eyes. UND is kind of a dumpster fire right now... unless they can pull a rabbit out of their hat and beat SIU next Saturday their season will probably be circling the drain already.

Good points as always PC. I still think the drubbing NDSU gave EWU in the spring holds a lot of weight.....IMHO.

Dewey

[atthewbon]

I’m not 100% sure my poll got in because I never got the email but here is what I got:

1. Sam Houston
2. NDSU
3. Eastern Washington
4. Southern Illinois
5. SDSU
6. Villanova
7. Montana
8. Montana st
9. JMU
10. Rhode Island
11. East Tennessee state
12. Southeastern Louisiana
13. Northern Iowa
14. UT Martin
15. Kennesaw st
16. South Dakota
17. Delaware
18. Missouri st
19. UC Davis
20. North Dakota
21. Weber st
22. Mercer
23. Incarnate Word
24. Duquesne
25. Harvard

[MSUBobcat]

2-4 SEMO getting some love for beating 2-4 Austin Peay? The APSU that has also lost to Tenn State (only other with is D-II Kentucky State)? SEMO's only other win was.... Tenn State? Admittedly, it was a drubbing but... okily dokily!

[caribbeanhen]

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/10/2021 8:27:07

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Incarnate Word Cardinals
15: South Dakota Coyotes
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Harvard Crimson
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Dartmouth Big Green
21: Mercer Bears
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Duquesne Dukes
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[F'N Hawks]

I don't really like judging wins by where teams were ranked at the time so calling the win over a UND a top 15 win is a bit misleading IMO. I give EWU more credit for beating UNLV than you are I'd say. I don't think UND would beat UNLV considering they lost to Utah St by 24 and Utah St isn't that much better than UNLV in my eyes. UND is kind of a dumpster fire right now... unless they can pull a rabbit out of their hat and beat SIU next Saturday their season will probably be circling the drain already.

You can't see the difference between Utah State and UNLV? UND is a dumpster fire, no doubt. They got internal issues that need to be rectified. They have lost by 6 and 7 in their two games but it was an ugly 6 & 7.

[Professor Chaos]

You can't see the difference between Utah State and UNLV? UND is a dumpster fire, no doubt. They got internal issues that need to be rectified. They have lost by 6 and 7 in their two games but it was an ugly 6 & 7.
Certainly a difference but not a big enough one to convince me that UND would beat UNLV based on their performance vs Utah St.

[MSUBobcat]

Certainly a difference but not a big enough one to convince me that UND would beat UNLV based on their performance vs Utah St.

I don't know if UND would beat UNLV, but EWU barely did and I'd take EWU over UND 11 times out of 10 right now, so I would suspect not. This weekend we'll see how bad USU beats UNLV, but they have wins over 3-3 Washington State (not a great team, admittedly) and handed Air Force their only loss to date, at home no less. Their losses are to previously #10 BYI and to the team that caused BYU to be "previously #10", Boise State. I think USU beats UNLV like a drum.

[Chalupa Batman]

Haven't gotten an email yet either so don't know if my poll made it in or not, but here's what I had:



1. Sam Houston Bearkats



2. Eastern Washington Eagles



3. Southern Illinois Salukis



4. North Dakota State Bison



5. Villanova Wildcats



6. South Dakota State Jackrabbits



7. East Tennessee State Buccaneers



8. James Madison Dukes



9. Montana Grizzlies



10. Southeastern Louisiana Lions



11. Montana State Bobcats



12. Northern Iowa Panthers



13. Incarnate Word Cardinals



14. Princeton Tigers



15. UC Davis Aggies



16. South Dakota Coyotes



17. Rode Island Rams



18. Harvard Crimson



19. Weber State Wildcats



20. Missouri State Bears



21. Kennesaw State Owls



22. Nicholls Colonels



23. Mercer Bears



24. Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks



25. Jackson State Tigers

[Professor Chaos]

Also should point out that ETSU at #10 and Rhode Island at #12 set new high water marks for either program in the history of the AGS Poll (which dates back to 2005).

[Daytripper]

In retrospect, I will admit to undervaluing Montana State and ETSU. Will revisit that next week.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: Southern Illinois Salukis
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: South Dakota Coyotes
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Missouri State Bears
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Incarnate Word Cardinals
22: Nicholls Colonels
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[Reign of Terrier]

So, I'm not going to argue this because I imagine those who have them ranked so high have value judgments that I don't agree with, but I want to hear the argument: why is Montana State ranked so high?

They could well be a top 5 team. We'll see in time, obviously. They've wiped the floor with their competition, but it's not been great: 2 pioneer league teams, and the 3 Big Sky teams they've beaten combine for 3 total D1 wins that weren't involving the pioneer. And it's not like they had an impressive spring season...they didn't play.

I think at this point in time, ETSU should be higher than Montana State just by virtue of the fact that they beat an FBS team by 3 scores and they haven't lost a game yet. Obviously, I don't think that's a final ranking (I don't think ETSU is top 5, but top 8 is a definite possibility) and if Montana state impresses in the back part of their schedule I would move them up above a hypothetically-ranked-higher ETSU, but I want to know what the people who disagree with me think.

[wapiti]

So, I'm not going to argue this because I imagine those who have them ranked so high have value judgments that I don't agree with, but I want to hear the argument: why is Montana State ranked so high?

They could well be a top 5 team. We'll see in time, obviously. They've wiped the floor with their competition, but it's not been great: 2 pioneer league teams, and the 3 Big Sky teams they've beaten combine for 3 total D1 wins that weren't involving the pioneer. And it's not like they had an impressive spring season...they didn't play.

I think at this point in time, ETSU should be higher than Montana State just by virtue of the fact that they beat an FBS team by 3 scores and they haven't lost a game yet. Obviously, I don't think that's a final ranking (I don't think ETSU is top 5, but top 8 is a definite possibility) and if Montana state impresses in the back part of their schedule I would move them up above a hypothetically-ranked-higher ETSU, but I want to know what the people who disagree with me think.


MSU is too high. Other than Wyoming, the schedule has been weak. They get a chance to prove it this weekend in Odgen.

[MSUBobcat]

MSU is too high. Other than Wyoming, the schedule has been weak. They get a chance to prove it this weekend in Odgen.

Agreed. Too high based on resume. And beating Weber won't do much to move the needle, either. Weber would be 2-4, with a home loss to the now #9 JMU and a Davis team that inexplicably lost to ISU-o. None of their losses would be "bad" losses, but they won't be a top-25 team with a loss Friday either. That said, it's almost a "must-win" game, because if they fall against BBQ, then EWU and the Brawl will absolutely be must-win, IMO. 7-4 with no quality wins puts them on the outside looking in, so we have to win at least 1 of the Big 3 games, so we might as well win the "easier" of the 3.

[BEAR]

Bear fans appreciate the votes of confidence from knowledgeable FCS fans...but if the coaches don't get out of the way of the players in Conway, EKU will come away with a good win at Estes Stadium. Seriously. Let the stars shine coaches...xnodx

[Daytripper]

Bear fans appreciate the votes of confidence from knowledgeable FCS fans...but if the coaches don't get out of the way of the players in Conway, EKU will come away with a good win at Estes Stadium. Seriously. Let the stars shine coaches...xnodx

What is it about Coach Brown that keeps him from truly trusting his players? Being an old QB himself, maybe he's a control freak?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Haven't gotten an email yet either so don't know if my poll made it in or not, but here's what I had:



1. Sam Houston Bearkats


2. Eastern Washington Eagles


3. Southern Illinois Salukis


4. North Dakota State Bison


5. Villanova Wildcats


6. South Dakota State Jackrabbits


7. East Tennessee State Buccaneers


8. James Madison Dukes


9. Montana Grizzlies


10. Southeastern Louisiana Lions


11. Montana State Bobcats


12. Northern Iowa Panthers


13. Incarnate Word Cardinals


14. Princeton Tigers


15. UC Davis Aggies


16. South Dakota Coyotes


17. Rode Island Rams


18. Harvard Crimson


19. Weber State Wildcats


20. Missouri State Bears


21. Kennesaw State Owls


22. Nicholls Colonels


23. Mercer Bears


24. Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks


25. Jackson State Tigers




You guys that are wondering about your confirmations should be aware that this is a recurring problem and also that I post the names of those that will not be getting their confirmation email back in time...but that their votes are in the system. If you don't have access to this forum (as a voter) that is my mistake and you should pm me so I can fix that.

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?282922-2021-AGS-POLL-TOP-25-VOTE-IS-OPEN-Wk-6&p=3001252&viewfull=1#post3001252

[BEAR]

What is it about Coach Brown that keeps him from truly trusting his players? Being an old QB himself, maybe he's a control freak?

No idea. I get that coaching at the DI level is tough. Recruiting, budgets, staff turnover, player issues, play calling, family balance and so on...and he's done a GREAT job of all of it for being so young of a coach...but I just don't like the OC who lost his job at ACU...even if he is a Bear alum (his play calling not him personally..personally he's a great guy). The plays just seem so desperate and ones we used while we were division II. Coach Campbell was with us 2 years and showed what a difference division I play calling and execution looks like for victories in the SLC. As long as we continue to play small town ball we will never get beyond the first or second round. But what can we as fans do but enjoy the ride....xlolx

[JALMOND]

MSU is too high. Other than Wyoming, the schedule has been weak. They get a chance to prove it this weekend in Odgen.

Looking at it from the other way, Wyoming's best win is probably over the Bobcats, even though they are 4-1.

[MSUBobcat]

Looking at it from the other way, Wyoming's best win is probably over the Bobcats, even though they are 4-1.

Wyoming's best "win". Still salty over the weak block in the back penalty on the punt returned for TD. xlolx

[Chalupa Batman]

You guys that are wondering about your confirmations should be aware that this is a recurring problem and also that I post the names of those that will not be getting their confirmation email back in time...but that their votes are in the system. If you don't have access to this forum (as a voter) that is my mistake and you should pm me so I can fix that.

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?282922-2021-AGS-POLL-TOP-25-VOTE-IS-OPEN-Wk-6&p=3001252&viewfull=1#post3001252

I do remember from earlier in the season that the confirmation emails go out in groups and only so many can go out at a time, figured that’s what happened to me this week but I wanted to get my vote out there. I didn’t know about you posting the names in that thread though. Thanks Ursus!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Montana State has been dominating their competition. That's a sign of a good team. I'm not sure if the Bobcats are Frisco worthy but they easily could make it to the semifinals. Which they did the last time we had a "normal" season....

[Chalupa Batman]

My thought with Montana State is they should be about where they were preseason, or at least where they were after the Wyoming game.

[ElCid]

So, I'm not going to argue this because I imagine those who have them ranked so high have value judgments that I don't agree with, but I want to hear the argument: why is Montana State ranked so high?

They could well be a top 5 team. We'll see in time, obviously. They've wiped the floor with their competition, but it's not been great: 2 pioneer league teams, and the 3 Big Sky teams they've beaten combine for 3 total D1 wins that weren't involving the pioneer. And it's not like they had an impressive spring season...they didn't play.

I think at this point in time, ETSU should be higher than Montana State just by virtue of the fact that they beat an FBS team by 3 scores and they haven't lost a game yet. Obviously, I don't think that's a final ranking (I don't think ETSU is top 5, but top 8 is a definite possibility) and if Montana state impresses in the back part of their schedule I would move them up above a hypothetically-ranked-higher ETSU, but I want to know what the people who disagree with me think.

I was wondering that as well. Hasn't really really been challenged yet with schedule at all. I have them high still, but a couple spots lower than AGS poll.

The could be said about SD as well. They only had two good opponents, lost one, won one. The rest were not moving the needle. The games they won were against teams that are 8-14. I still have them in especially after this last week's win, but a few spots lower than poll.

Like you said, not to say either are not worthy, but their resumes are thin at best so far. This next week should clear both up in my mind.

But ETSU is getting some love but they deserve more. If they win the next three, they will move up nicely.

Delaware is way too high still. Their wins are against teams that are 4-12, with three of those 12 being FBS losses. But they definitely took a hit this week.

[atthewbon]

I do remember from earlier in the season that the confirmation emails go out in groups and only so many can go out at a time, figured that’s what happened to me this week but I wanted to get my vote out there. I didn’t know about you posting the names in that thread though. Thanks Ursus!

Same, I wasn’t to worried. Thanks for the clarification.

[atthewbon]

My thought with Montana State is they should be about where they were preseason, or at least where they were after the Wyoming game.

Agreed, I actually have them one place lower than my preseason poll 7 vs 8. (I had them at 8 after week 1 and have pretty much kept them around there the whole season).

[TheKingpin28]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: James Madison Dukes
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: Rhode Island Rams
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: Missouri State Bears
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Kennesaw State Owls
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Nicholls Colonels

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[kdinva]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: James Madison Dukes
11: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Princeton Tigers
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Kennesaw State Owls
20: Missouri State Bears
21: Incarnate Word Cardinals
22: Mercer Bears
23: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks


The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Missouri State Bears

[Preferred Walk-On]

 Caution. Controversial opinion alert. xeekx 



1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Southern Illinois Salukis
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Sam Houston Bearkats
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Rhode Island Rams
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: Mercer Bears
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Jackson State Tigers
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Duquesne Dukes
23: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

Not sure how controversial. Eastern Washington and Southern Illinois have looked the part. Jackson State a little high, maybe? Incarnate Word and Missouri State have both been bitten by Youngstown State (their only two wins), but...? Really doesn't seem that controversial to me, other than a few 2-3 teams missing, and you even had me rethinking those this week. ;)

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/10/2021 15:29:41

Your vote is listed below.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
10: James Madison Dukes
11: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: South Dakota Coyotes
14: Rhode Island Rams
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Kennesaw State Owls
21: Mercer Bears
22: Nicholls Colonels
23: Missouri State Bears
24: Princeton Tigers
25: Incarnate Word Cardinals

Preferred Walk-On

The Most Significant Win: Southern Illinois Salukis
The Most Significant Loss: Missouri State Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[caribbeanhen]

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: James Madison Dukes
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: Rhode Island Rams
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: Missouri State Bears
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Kennesaw State Owls
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Nicholls Colonels

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Sammy better than E Washington on Defense alone

[ElCid]

Sammy better than E Washington on Defense alone

It's funny how quick strike air raid type offenses often have bad Ds. Not that they are necessarily bad, and I am not sure how many three and out series they have had, I'm fairly sure not many, but I think its because their Ds get so little rest in between offensive series whether they score too quickly or are forced to punt it. Samford is notorious for that. I think after watching SELA it applies to them as well. And I think that is why when our O is clicking, it hasn't been, our D is very well rested and much better after a nice 7-10 minute offensive drive. Not that I am against scoring quickly, but it is an interesting dynamic and I think their occasional problem of letting teams back in, just like Samford does, is a direct result of that.

[MTfan4life]

Not sure how controversial. Eastern Washington and Southern Illinois have looked the part. Jackson State a little high, maybe? Incarnate Word and Missouri State have both been bitten by Youngstown State (their only two wins), but...? Really doesn't seem that controversial to me, other than a few 2-3 teams missing, and you even had me rethinking those this week. ;)

I'll admit, Jackson State's ranking is skewed a little because I had been high on Alabama A&M since last spring. Jackson State's defense has been insanely good in their biggest games this year, though. Then last week they got the offense rolling. Probably could fall closer around the 21-25 range, but I thought the 46 point statement road win over Spring swac champs deserved a healthy bump. Then Sam Houston is at 5, because unlike the teams above them, they've yet to do anything extraordinary this season. Every win they've had, there's another FCS team who has won against the same team very similarly. Unfortunately for them, they only have 10 games, and there's a legitimately realistic chance none of their opponents will be ranked by season's end.

[caribbeanhen]

And all of you that have Delaware ranked are probably that guy thats still wearing the Alligator logo shirt.... where brand matters! (To some)

Have you watched a Delaware game?

Just not the same looking team from spring and now compounded by the loss of Pre season all CAA QB Nolan Henderson

Dixie State should not be taken lightly

[Chalupa Batman]

And all of you that have Delaware ranked are probably that guy thats still wearing the Alligator logo shirt.... where brand matters! (To some)

Have you watched a Delaware game?

Just not the same looking team from spring and now compounded by the loss of Pre season all CAA QB Nolan Henderson

Dixie State should not be taken lightly

They're out of my poll too. I looked at Delaware's schedule and thought "if Towson, or Elon, or Stony Brook played the same schedule with the same results, would I rank them?" The answer is no, I wouldn't have ranked any of them.

[Daytripper]

It's funny how quick strike air raid type offenses often have bad Ds. Not that they are necessarily bad, and I am not sure how many three and out series they have had, I'm fairly sure not many, but I think its because their Ds get so little rest in between offensive series whether they score too quickly or are forced to punt it. Samford is notorious for that. I think after watching SELA it applies to them as well. And I think that is why when our O is clicking, it hasn't been, our D is very well rested and much better after a nice 7-10 minute offensive drive. Not that I am against scoring quickly, but it is an interesting dynamic and I think their occasional problem of letting teams back in, just like Samford does, is a direct result of that.

This. This is why Keeler chose to slow things down after OC Phil Longo left. Sam Houston always had really good talent on defense, but they were always gassed by the 4th quarter because the offense either scored quickly or punted. We could get away with it against lesser teams but really good teams would take advantage of the time of possession.

[caribbeanhen]

They're out of my poll too. I looked at Delaware's schedule and thought "if Towson, or Elon, or Stony Brook played the same schedule with the same results, would I rank them?" The answer is no, I wouldn't have ranked any of them.

Well I agree with the main point but not totally onboard with your method but it worked out

Elon, Stony Brook and Towson are just not any good and haven’t been for some time

With Henderson, Delaware was still a threat

[Chalupa Batman]

Well I agree with the main point but not totally onboard with your method but it worked out

Elon, Stony Brook and Towson are just not any good and haven’t been for some time

With Henderson, Delaware was still a threat

It helps to eliminate any "name recognition" bias I may have to try and view teams more objectively.

[TheKingpin28]

Sammy better than E Washington on Defense aloneEWU would walk through Sammy at this point. The only defense that I truly believe could stop/slow them down is NDSU.

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[lionsrking2]

It's funny how quick strike air raid type offenses often have bad Ds. Not that they are necessarily bad, and I am not sure how many three and out series they have had, I'm fairly sure not many, but I think its because their Ds get so little rest in between offensive series whether they score too quickly or are forced to punt it. Samford is notorious for that. I think after watching SELA it applies to them as well. And I think that is why when our O is clicking, it hasn't been, our D is very well rested and much better after a nice 7-10 minute offensive drive. Not that I am against scoring quickly, but it is an interesting dynamic and I think their occasional problem of letting teams back in, just like Samford does, is a direct result of that.

Since you mentioned us: For the record, SLU isn't Air Raid, and not necessarily quick-strike, but it is tough to be statistically good on defense when you score a lot. The more you score, the more possessions the opponent gets and the more chances they take if struggling to keep pace. We're not statistically good on defense, but right now, we're a lot better and deeper physically than we were in the spring and at the close of 2019. We've played two good offenses, one bad offense, and a couple of inconsistent offenses with good skill players, capable of big plays. We've given up several points off turnovers, special teams, trick plays, or playing with a big lead. In today's football, good/bad defense is relative and really boils down to whether or not you can get more stops and create more turnovers than the opponent you're playing on a given weekend.

[caribbeanhen]

EWU would walk through Sammy at this point. The only defense that I truly believe could stop/slow them down is NDSU.

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Did you forget the epic collapse the E Washington defense against the Bison last spring? That was pathetic

If Sam Houston plays E Washington it comes down to last team with ball wins

[OhioHen]

Delaware is way too high still. Their wins are against teams that are 4-12, with three of those 12 being FBS losses. But they definitely took a hit this week.

This. Even as a homer, I only have the Hens at 28th on my tracker.

[lionsrking2]

Did you forget the epic collapse the E Washington defense against the Bison last spring? That was pathetic

If Sam Houston plays E Washington it comes down to last team with ball wins

You could say that about a few teams.

[Iridebikes]

Good points as always PC. I still think the drubbing NDSU gave EWU in the spring holds a lot of weight.....IMHO.

Dewey

I appreciate all the discussion about NDSU vs. EWU. Fun stuff. IMO that's the best thing about the FCS, we can discuss and debate it all we want and we may be an opportunity to have the two teams play it out on the field in the playoffs.

For what its worth, I'm on the NDSU band wagon at this point in time. But it should be an interesting game.

[Daytripper]

Did you forget the epic collapse the E Washington defense against the Bison last spring? That was pathetic

If Sam Houston plays E Washington it comes down to last team with ball wins

We no longer play "air raid" full speed offense. Our offense under Carty is much more balanced. We can play up-tempo when we want to but for the most part we aren't trying to run a hundred plays a game like previous teams. We are actually winning time of possession in many of our games.

[caribbeanhen]

We no longer play "air raid" full speed offense. Our offense under Carty is much more balanced. We can play up-tempo when we want to but for the most part we aren't trying to run a hundred plays a game like previous teams. We are actually winning time of possession in many of our games.

might not work Though

Especially if E Wash jumps up 21 nothing and Ezzard gets tired of bailing you out

[TheKingpin28]

Did you forget the epic collapse the E Washington defense against the Bison last spring? That was pathetic

If Sam Houston plays E Washington it comes down to last team with ball winsSo then #1 for EWU is considered acceptable if you think both teams are evenly matched. I almost out NDSU #1 until I realized that Tyler Roehl is the NDSU OC and then I was like, nah, that's a bad idea.

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[ElCid]

Since you mentioned us: For the record, SLU isn't Air Raid, and not necessarily quick-strike, but it is tough to be statistically good on defense when you score a lot. The more you score, the more possessions the opponent gets and the more chances they take if struggling to keep pace. We're not statistically good on defense, but right now, we're a lot better and deeper physically than we were in the spring and at the close of 2019. We've played two good offenses, one bad offense, and a couple of inconsistent offenses with good skill players, capable of big plays. We've given up several points off turnovers, special teams, trick plays, or playing with a big lead. In today's football, good/bad defense is relative and really boils down to whether or not you can get more stops and create more turnovers than the opponent you're playing on a given weekend.

I only watched you a short bit. I made an assumption since you score a lot and give up huge points as well. I didn't look into each opponent score. I like to look at TOP as well to see how much time the defenses are forced to be flying around each play.

[caribbeanhen]

So then #1 for EWU is considered acceptable if you think both teams are evenly matched. I almost out NDSU #1 until I realized that Tyler Roehl is the NDSU OC and then I was like, nah, that's a bad idea.

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The thing is with E Washington is they will need that offense to be perfect to be #1

I say that because of what the defense is capable of especially late

[McCowboys]

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: James Madison Dukes
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Rhode Island Rams
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Princeton Tigers
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Harvard Crimson

McCowboys

The Most Significant Win: Rhode Island Rams
The Most Significant Loss: Houston Baptist Huskies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

[dewey]

Here is my top 25. Provide feedback as needed.

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: Rhode Island Rams
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Missouri State Bears
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Incarnate Word Cardinals
22: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
23: Duquesne Dukes
24: Kennesaw State Owls
25: Mercer Bears

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Southern Illinois Salukis
The Most Significant Loss: UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[dewey]

I appreciate all the discussion about NDSU vs. EWU. Fun stuff. IMO that's the best thing about the FCS, we can discuss and debate it all we want and we may be an opportunity to have the two teams play it out on the field in the playoffs.

For what its worth, I'm on the NDSU band wagon at this point in time. But it should be an interesting game.

Agreed. The discussion about team resumes and "good wins" is going to be interesting going forward.

Here is an article about week 7 resumes for the STATS top 10 teams.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/herosports.com/fcs-football-week-7-playoff-resumes-bzbz/amp/

Dewey

[grizband]

My Week 6 poll:

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: UC Davis
11: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Missouri State Bears
14: South Dakota Coyotes
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: Incarnate Word Cardinals
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Kennesaw State Owls
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Mercer Bears
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
24: Jackson State Tigers
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

The Most Significant Win: Southern Illinois Salukis
The Most Significant Loss: UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[that guy]

I don't vote but looking through this most of you have Montana State ahead of URI. Is their resume better or is it eye test?

[MR. CHICKEN]

I don't vote but looking through this most of you have Montana State ahead of URI. Is their resume better or is it eye test?

.......CORRECTLY SO..........TOP HALF UH BIG FLUFFY.......WOOD KLOCK EVERAH TEAM IN CAA......BUT.....'NOVA/MADISON.....E.WASH/GRIZZWOLD'S/BCATS......MIGHT EVEN TAKE THEM OUT....LE AWQUE!

[kalm]

It's funny how quick strike air raid type offenses often have bad Ds. Not that they are necessarily bad, and I am not sure how many three and out series they have had, I'm fairly sure not many, but I think its because their Ds get so little rest in between offensive series whether they score too quickly or are forced to punt it. Samford is notorious for that. I think after watching SELA it applies to them as well. And I think that is why when our O is clicking, it hasn't been, our D is very well rested and much better after a nice 7-10 minute offensive drive. Not that I am against scoring quickly, but it is an interesting dynamic and I think their occasional problem of letting teams back in, just like Samford does, is a direct result of that.

That’s a fair assessment and it’s certainly what we saw against WIU in the 2nd half (along with a lot of cramping). We’ve also been terrible with clock management. EB3 snapping the ball with 20 seconds remaining on the play clock while holding a big lead late.

Otherwise, the D has played fairly well. We just need to hold opponents below 30. It will be interesting to see how we do against our next high powered offense which is probably MSU.

[caribbeanhen]

I don't vote but looking through this most of you have Montana State ahead of URI. Is their resume better or is it eye test?

Rhode Island is just an average FCS team, nothing special - that comment based on eye test

They haven’t really beaten anyone yet either

[dewey]

I don't vote but looking through this most of you have Montana State ahead of URI. Is their resume better or is it eye test?

I ranked Montana State (#9) ahead of Rhode Island (#11) based on their 2019 semifinal appearance and they have been trending upward the last few years and that Rhode Island hasn't been very successful the last few years. At least not making noise in the playoffs.

Rhode Island does have a good win over Delaware. MSU's best game might be a 19-16 loss to Wyoming BUT they go to Weber State, EWU and Montana yet this year.

Dewey

[MSUBobcat]

That’s a fair assessment and it’s certainly what we saw against WIU in the 2nd half (along with a lot of cramping). We’ve also been terrible with clock management. EB3 snapping the ball with 20 seconds remaining on the play clock while holding a big lead late.

Otherwise, the D has played fairly well. We just need to hold opponents below 30. It will be interesting to see how we do against our next high powered offense which is probably MSU.

We'll revisit this statement after Friday night. MSU has racked up the T-13th most ppg at 38... against WYO (59th in FBS in scoring D), Drake (37), San Diego (97), Portland State (76), NoCo (70) and an atrocious Cal Poly (118). Obviously, MSU contributed to those bad scoring D ranks, scoring more than their current average in all games except PSU, which was right at the average. Weber ranks T-26 against what looked like a quality schedule (holding Davis to 17 points in a loss isn't quite as impressive after ISU-o did the same 2 weeks later in a win).

McKay has been VERY steady, leading the FCS in pass efficiency, McCutcheon is a dangerous WR making the most of his senior year, and a solid 1-2 punch of Isaiah Ifanse (#6 in ypg @ 110.2 and 20th in ypc @ 6.12) and freshman Elijah Elliott (would be #42 in ypc @ 5.15 but not listed on ncaa.com for some reason, not enough carries to qualify perhaps) adding another 40 ypg. Apparently running backs with biblical names and last names that start with the same letter is the way to go.

[ElCid]

I ranked Montana State (#9) ahead of Rhode Island (#11) based on their 2019 semifinal appearance and they have been trending upward the last few years and that Rhode Island hasn't been very successful the last few years. At least not making noise in the playoffs.

Rhode Island does have a good win over Delaware. MSU's best game might be a 19-16 loss to Wyoming BUT they go to Weber State, EWU and Montana yet this year.

Dewey


Not necessarily pointing to the above named teams, but looking into "the past" as a general concept. I know this seems to be the thing to consider a teams past history, or selective consideration in some cases, but I don't get it entirely. At least not to the extent and amount of time it appears that some do it. Not saying you are being selective, but it's just a general observation. Half, most(?), of a team's roster could be gone from "the last few years." Sure I might, very slightly, see how someone has done in the close past to try and determine if a win/loss was a fluke, or something more, but current season W/Ls pretty much dominate my thinking after about game 4. Yes consistency is important, but consistency in the current season should dominate. That is why I think we have teams hanging around entirely too long and/or too high, in the poll when they are 2-3, or even at 3-2 in some cases. I think someone even voted for a 1-3 team once, just because of their history. Really? No 1-3 team should be getting one vote. If they end up eventually being 3-3 or 4-3 in a few weeks then maybe. We have teams living on rep too long. Rep that should have expired.

It has been mentioned before. Teams take too long to fight their way up after racking up wins if their rep has been low. Not always, but in many cases. And conversely, teams stumbling are held to a lower standard and given the benefit of doubt. I have been guilty myself on occasion. I'm not talking about making a 8-0 Pioneer team a top ten where the SOS is clearly an issue. But my theory is simply that voters are loath to question their own previous judgement and resist lowering a team because of that. We still have a very good poll, but it could be better.

[aceinthehole]

Hello Go Lehigh TU owl,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/10/2021 9:58:47

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: Rhode Island Rams
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: South Dakota Coyotes
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Princeton Tigers
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Mercer Bears
24: Missouri State Bears
25: Harvard Crimson

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

3 ranked Ivy teams? Come on ...

[OhioHen]

3 ranked Ivy teams? Come on ...
All three of those teams are in the poll top 29, so it's not that much of a stretch according to the voters overall.

[POD Knows]

3 ranked Ivy teams? Come on ...
I had 3 in mine as well. Who else is there? I almost never rate Ivy’s but there just isn’t anybody else out there. I would guess going forward one or two of the Ivy’s will drop out of mine but somebody else needs to step up

[Catbooster]

Not necessarily pointing to the above named teams, but looking into "the past" as a general concept. I know this seems to be the thing to consider a teams past history, or selective consideration in some cases, but I don't get it entirely. At least not to the extent and amount of time it appears that some do it. Not saying you are being selective, but it's just a general observation. Half, most(?), of a team's roster could be gone from "the last few years." Sure I might, very slightly, see how someone has done in the close past to try and determine if a win/loss was a fluke, or something more, but current season W/Ls pretty much dominate my thinking after about game 4. Yes consistency is important, but consistency in the current season should dominate. That is why I think we have teams hanging around entirely too long and/or too high, in the poll when they are 2-3, or even at 3-2 in some cases. I think someone even voted for a 1-3 team once, just because of their history. Really? No 1-3 team should be getting one vote. If they end up eventually being 3-3 or 4-3 in a few weeks then maybe. We have teams living on rep too long. Rep that should have expired.

It has been mentioned before. Teams take too long to fight their way up after racking up wins if their rep has been low. Not always, but in many cases. And conversely, teams stumbling are held to a lower standard and given the benefit of doubt. I have been guilty myself on occasion. I'm not talking about making a 8-0 Pioneer team a top ten where the SOS is clearly an issue. But my theory is simply that voters are loath to question their own previous judgement and resist lowering a team because of that. We still have a very good poll, but it could be better.
I think most people would agree with you in general. The problem with MSU right now is that there's not much to go on. Outside of the season opener against Wyoming, we've played the easiest teams up to this point. We play all the challenging teams that will provide some clarity in the last half of the season.

[caribbeanhen]

3 ranked Ivy teams? Come on ...

You wanted a 4th?

I ranked 3 myself

[caribbeanhen]

I ranked Montana State (#9) ahead of Rhode Island (#11) based on their 2019 semifinal appearance and they have been trending upward the last few years and that Rhode Island hasn't been very successful the last few years. At least not making noise in the playoffs.

Rhode Island does have a good win over Delaware. MSU's best game might be a 19-16 loss to Wyoming BUT they go to Weber State, EWU and Montana yet this year.

Dewey

Rhode Islands win over Delaware might seem like a good win to those that are not up to speed on Delaware, but come playoffs selection time will not be such a good win

[POD Knows]

Rhode Islands win over Delaware might seem like a good win to those that are not up to speed on Delaware, but come playoffs selection time will not be such a good win
It was still a win over a team that was ranked and I get the QB deal at UD but a win over a ranked team is still a win over a ranked team.

[caribbeanhen]

It was still a win over a team that was ranked and I get the QB deal at UD but a win over a ranked team is still a win over a ranked team.

They shouldn’t be ranked though, only ranked because AGS is slow on the uptake. As soon as Henderson went down the Bluehen season went down. I dropped the Hens to #17 after the St Francis game. Things just didn’t look like spring.

[Daytripper]

They shouldn’t be ranked though, only ranked because AGS is slow on the uptake. As soon as Henderson went down the Bluehen season went down. I dropped the Hens to #17 after the St Francis game. Things just didn’t look like spring.

That's your opinion. You also have a much deeper knowledge of the roster, stats, etc., of UD. Like any objective fan of a team, you will be more critical and more quickly to see larger problems with the team. You say AGS is slow on the uptake, but I actually think we are ahead of the curve compared to the other polls. For god's sake, look how long the other polls kept JSU in the top 25 when AGS jettisoned them about two weeks earlier.

[caribbeanhen]

That's your opinion. You also have a much deeper knowledge of the roster, stats, etc., of UD. Like any objective fan of a team, you will be more critical and more quickly to see larger problems with the team. You say AGS is slow on the uptake, but I actually think we are ahead of the curve compared to the other polls. For god's sake, look how long the other polls kept JSU in the top 25 when AGS jettisoned them about two weeks earlier.

AGS is slow on uptake on Delaware, but that comment is not really a big deal as nobody can track dozens of teams as close as their own fans. AGS is the best poll for sure and that is partly because fans share information on teams.

Don’t try to forget I had Sam Houston ranked #1 after the SLA game back in February because I’m not gonna let you xdrunkyx

[Daytripper]

AGS is slow on uptake on Delaware, but that comment is not really a big deal as nobody can track dozens of teams as close as their own fans. AGS is the best poll for sure and that is partly because fans share information on teams.

Don’t try to forget I had Sam Houston ranked #1 after the SLA game back in February because I’m not gonna let you xdrunkyx

Trust me, we all know you won't let us forget. It'll be engraved on your tombstone and you will hire somebody to continue reminding us here port-mortem. xrolleyesx

[lionsrking2]

Don’t try to forget I had Sam Houston ranked #1 after the SLA game back in February because I’m not gonna let you xdrunkyx

So did I.

[caribbeanhen]

Trust me, we all know you won't let us forget. It'll be engraved on your tombstone and you will hire somebody to continue reminding us here port-mortem. xrolleyesx

haha

those arrangements have already been made!

[caribbeanhen]

So did I.

I remember

tell us who is winning this year?

[Cocky]

That's your opinion. You also have a much deeper knowledge of the roster, stats, etc., of UD. Like any objective fan of a team, you will be more critical and more quickly to see larger problems with the team. You say AGS is slow on the uptake, but I actually think we are ahead of the curve compared to the other polls. For god's sake, look how long the other polls kept JSU in the top 25 when AGS jettisoned them about two weeks earlier.

Most JSU follower had jettisoned them even earlier.

Delaware does have the great win against JSU in the spring. Looks more and more impressive after every JSU game.

[lionsrking2]

I remember

tell us who is winning this year?

You wouldn't believe me if I did. xthumbsupx

[dewey]

You wouldn't believe me if I did. xthumbsupx

I would like to hear from you and my caribbean rooster.

Dewey

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Three teams from the Ivy League, zero from the state of Delaware in my poll.

[Chalupa Batman]

You wouldn't believe me if I did. xthumbsupx

That makes me really want to hear it

[caribbeanhen]

You wouldn't believe me if I did. xthumbsupx

After week 1, I said it would be South Dakota State, even with all the injuries I still think they have a decent shot

Ok Your turn....

[lionsrking2]

After week 1, I said it would be South Dakota State, even with all the injuries I still think they have a decent shot

Ok Your turn....

They do have a decent shot but not who I have.

[caribbeanhen]

They do have a decent shot but not who I have.

Southern Illinois

[Daytripper]

They do have a decent shot but not who I have.

You are playing the homer pick. Right?

[lionsrking2]

Southern Illinois

Nope

[lionsrking2]

You are playing the homer pick. Right?

No, I wouldn't describe it that way.

[caribbeanhen]

Nope

repeat

[caribbeanhen]

 Caution. Controversial opinion alert. xeekx 



1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: Southern Illinois Salukis
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Sam Houston Bearkats
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
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Rhode Island is the worst undefeated CAA team at this stage of the season in a long long time

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[smilo]

Rhode Island is the worst undefeated CAA team at this stage of the season in a long long time

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I don't know that they are that bad by historical standards in spite of today. It's just a product of Northeast FBS games happening in September.

Also, I think this is the worst CAA in a long long time so that doesn't help matters. A mile wide and an inch deep. I think we beat each other up enough that we don't get a 4th playoff team. Probably for the best.

[Chalupa Batman]

I don't know that they are that bad by historical standards in spite of today. It's just a product of Northeast FBS games happening in September.

Also, I think this is the worst CAA in a long long time so that doesn't help matters. A mile wide and an inch deep. I think we beat each other up enough that we don't get a 4th playoff team. Probably for the best.

You might be lucky to get 3 teams in after today. Rhode Island, Delaware, and W&M losing really hurts all teams’ at large chances.

[MR. CHICKEN]

I don't know that they are that bad by historical standards in spite of today. It's just a product of Northeast FBS games happening in September.

Also, I think this is the worst CAA in a long long time so that doesn't help matters. A mile wide and an inch deep. I think we beat each other up enough that we don't get a 4th playoff team. Probably for the best.

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......RHODE ISLAND LAST MADE DUH PLAY-OFFS....IN 1985.......DEY HAVE HAD OWN-LAH.....4 WINNIN' SEASONS.....SINCE THEN.....THE LAST WAS 2002......BRAWK!

[caribbeanhen]

That's your opinion. You also have a much deeper knowledge of the roster, stats, etc., of UD. Like any objective fan of a team, you will be more critical and more quickly to see larger problems with the team. You say AGS is slow on the uptake, but I actually think we are ahead of the curve compared to the other polls. For god's sake, look how long the other polls kept JSU in the top 25 when AGS jettisoned them about two weeks earlier.

Yes it was my opinion and now probably yours as well