NCAA Records Since 2001

[Fordham]

hen89, couldn't help but think of you when I was reading this bit of tid in the Fordham media guide yesterday (and 'yes' I was sitting on the throne at the time):

20. Delaware 34-17 .667
20. Villanova 32-16 .667 (tie)
22. Fordham 31-16 .660

'Oh!' to be 7 one-thousandths away from having a "competitive" program!

;) :nod:

[colgate13]

hen89, couldn't help but think of you when I was reading this bit of tid in the Fordham media guide yesterday (and 'yes' I was sitting on the throne at the time):

20. Delaware 34-17 .667
20. Villanova 32-16 .667 (tie)
22. Fordham 31-16 .660

'Oh!' to be 7 one-thousandths away from having a "competitive" program!

;) :nod:
Since 2001:

Colgate 38-11 .776
Lehigh 36-11 .767

Not too shabby for the PL, no? 3 in the top 25. BTW, what's that make the rank of CU and LU?

[Ronbo]

hen89, couldn't help but think of you when I was reading this bit of tid in the Fordham media guide yesterday (and 'yes' I was sitting on the throne at the time):

20. Delaware 34-17 .667
20. Villanova 32-16 .667 (tie)
22. Fordham 31-16 .660

'Oh!' to be 7 one-thousandths away from having a "competitive" program!

;) :nod:



Montana 47-11 .810

And only 150 one-thousands away from a "premiere" program. ;)

[HensRock]

It takes more than 4 years to build a dynasty ---
UD = 416 wins since 1950

I-AA records since 1950

1. Georgia Southern Eagles 226-72-1 (.758) 1982-present
2. Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 16-6-0 (.727) 2003-present
3. Grambling State Tigers 413-171-13 (.703)
4. Delaware Blue Hens 416-177-6 (.699)
5. Florida A&M Rattlers 403-180-8 (.689)
6. Tennessee State Tigers 381-178-15 (.677)
7. North Dakota State Bison 390-185-8 (.676)
8. Robert Morris Colonials 73-37-1 (.662) 1994-present
9. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 391-198-12 (.661)
10. California Davis Aggies 357-194-12 (.645)
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25. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 335-233-12 (.588)
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48. Colgate Red Raiders 296-257-14 (.534)
49. Montana Grizzlies 318-281-3 (.531)
50. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 294-260-12 (.530)
51. Hampton Pirates 295-261-11 (.530)
52. Villanova Wildcats 278-247-4 (.529)
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106. Fordham Rams 158-227-8 (.412)

[ngineer]

We all have our stats, don't we?
TOP I-AA RECORDS SINCE 1998

1. Lehigh 70-15 .8235
2. Ga. So. 79-17 .8229
3. Penn 55-14 .7971
4. Mont. 77-20 .7938
5. Dusque. 60-16 .7894
6. Dayton 57-18 .7600
7. Grambl 61-20 .7531
8. Colgate 63-21 .7500
9. B-CC 57-22 .7215
10.WKY 62-25 .7126
11. Del. 60-27 .6897
12.Furman 59-27 .6860
13.McNee 58-27 .6823
14.Harvard 47-22 .6812
15.Albany 48-24 .6667

Just a matter of where ya draw da line. :cool:

[eaglesrthe1]

All I've got to say is, it's largely against a PL schedule. So you have to take it with a grain of salt. :cool:

[dungeonjoe]

depends on where you draw that line:

"The Terriers own the nation's second-longest streak for consecutive rankings in the polls at 36 consecutive weeks dating back to Oct. 21, 2002. Only Montana (93 polls) has been ranked longer. The Grizzlies open with a No. 3 ranking.

Wofford is also the Southern Conference's winningest team over the last three years. The Terriers carry a 29-8 (.784) overall mark and 18-5 (.783) league record into the 2005 campaign."

I guess the only one that counts is this one:
James Madison University Dukes-- defending national champs

[JoltinJoe]

Here's where I draw the line:

All-Time Wins (I-AA programs):

1. Yale 826 wins (132 seasons)
2. Penn 776 (128)
3. Harvard 767 (130)
4. Princeton 756 (135)
5. Fordham 720 (106)

Source: NCAA Record Book.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/football_records_book/2004/2004_d1_football_records.pdf

(Page 179 of the pdf document). Yeah, we can all the draw the line somewhere, so why draw any line at all?

Counting only from 1950, when Fordham's program was discontinued for 17 seasons starting in 1954, makes no sense.

Here some other facts to think about.

Fordham's 1937 team finished No. 3 in the AP poll (7-0-1), and many felt the team should have been number one, having allowed only 16 points all year. The tie was to Pitt, 0-0, which finished No. 1 in the poll. No I-AA program has ever ranked higher in a major college poll.

The first poll, the AP poll, was started for the 1936 season. From 1936 through 1941, Fordham appeared in every final top 20. Fordham also appeared in every weekly poll from 1936 through 1941, except seven (including six at the beginning of the 1939 season). Fordham discontinued football during World War II, and brought it back on a de-emphasized basis after the war. Fr. Gannon, the university president at the time, declared at that time that "Fordham will never again have a great football team."

Fordham is one of just six I-AA programs to have won one of the four major bowl games (Sugar Bowl, 1942).

Fordham's 1929 team is rated National Champion by Sorenson's Historical Rankings. Sorenson is one of the BCS polling services.

http://www.phys.utk.edu/sorensen/cfr/cfr/Output/1929/CF_1929_Ranking_Best.html

No other I-AA program, other than the Ivy League programs which dominated (for obvious reasons) throughout the 1880's through 1910's, has ever captured a mythical national championship from one of the major historical ranking services.

[pete4256]

It takes more than 4 years to build a dynasty ---


I don't know . . . GSU had a dynatsy in about 4 years. But then again, we'd won two championships.

[Engineer91]

All I've got to say is, it's largely against a PL schedule. So you have to take it with a grain of salt. :cool:


I'll take mine with a Yuengling ;)

[89Hen]

depends on where you draw that line
The most logical line IMO is the year your team became I-AA. That would take each school to have somebody post their team's record since I don't think any of us have the time to gather that much info. (actually, I'm sure I could find the time, I just don't feel like it :p )

[89Hen]

hen89, couldn't help but think of you when I was reading this bit of tid in the Fordham media guide yesterday

'Oh!' to be 7 one-thousandths away from having a "competitive" program!
Yup, I've always said that .665 was the mark for being competitive. :p

[Gil Dobie]

The most logical line IMO is the year your team became I-AA. That would take each school to have somebody post their team's record since I don't think any of us have the time to gather that much info. (actually, I'm sure I could find the time, I just don't feel like it :p )

I used the NDSU online media guide, da Hens must have one for your use. :)

[89Hen]

I used the NDSU online media guide, da Hens must have one for your use.
I can calculate the Hens record as a I-AA, I meant it would be a huge undertaking for one person to figure out every team's record as a I-AA. :)

[Gil Dobie]

I can calculate the Hens record as a I-AA, I meant it would be a huge undertaking for one person to figure out every team's record as a I-AA. :)

AmsterBison has a great site for us Bison fans(Bisonville.com), with all the NDSU info for I-AA, DII, vs I-AA, vs DII, vs DI teams etc.

[Eagle_77]

depends on where you draw that line:

"The Terriers own the nation's second-longest streak for consecutive rankings in the polls at 36 consecutive weeks dating back to Oct. 21, 2002. Only Montana (93 polls) has been ranked longer. The Grizzlies open with a No. 3 ranking.

Wofford is also the Southern Conference's winningest team over the last three years. The Terriers carry a 29-8 (.784) overall mark and 18-5 (.783) league record into the 2005 campaign."

I guess the only one that counts is this one:
James Madison University Dukes-- defending national champs



And yet I believe you guys have only been to the playoffs once in those three years. You had a very good team in 03 but I think stregth of schedule hurt you guys in 02 and 04 because of your OOC schedule.

[89Hen]

AmsterBison has a great site for us Bison fans(Bisonville.com), with all the NDSU info for I-AA, DII, vs I-AA, vs DII, vs DI teams etc.
OK, two down, 120 to go. :eek:

[OL FU]

OK, two down, 120 to go. :eek:

89, you bring out the geek in me.

SoCon
YR W L T

GSU 1984 217 63 77.50%
FU 1982 189 87 4 68.48%
ASU 1982 176 95 2 64.94%
Wofford 1997 53 38 58.24%
WCU 1982 112 142 3 44.09%
Citadel 1982 111 144 3 43.53%
UTC 1982 107 150 1 41.63%
Elon 1999 27 40 40.30%

112 to go

[OL FU]

A few thoughts on the SoCon.

Many fans of the big three don't want a big four. But let's give Wofford some credit. Their first three years in I-AA they were 3-7,4-7 and 6-5. Take out the first two years and there winning percentage is 65% (#3 in the SoCon). Take out the first three years and they are just below 68% and just below Furman. Yes, there OOC schedule has been weak. Yes they were 8-3 last year losing to the Big Three. But they have been heading in the right direction unlike our more recent member, Elon. Elon's first two years in I-AA they were 9-2 and 7-4. Elon has not had a winning record since.

This will be a telling year for Wofford, but even if they fall some this year it does not necesarily predict their future. They may be an irritant to some, but Wofford has contributed to the SoCon football.

[Fordham]

Yup, I've always said that .665 was the mark for being competitive. :p

Too funny - and you have no idea how pleased I was to find a stat that fell right into the time frame were arguing about but also bitter that I never had it at my fingertips when we were having said discussion.

Btw, I still remember that one taking place in my first week here and part of what led to my frustration was that I didn't realize until the end of the thread that there were 3 different Hens fans making comments and not just one who was completely disregarding something that I had already addressed previously.

Out of principle I still maintain my posting policy of acting as though there is only one UD fan posting here. :D


It takes more than 4 years to build a dynasty ---
UD = 416 wins since 1950

I-AA records since 1950

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106. Fordham Rams 158-227-8 (.412)
Thanks for reminding me of this other stunning piece of Fordham trivia:

other than Fordham, what other team went undefeated from the 1954 - 1964 seasons?

Note that JoltinJoe's post provides the explanation for the ridiculous spin I've provided on that time frame but it also helps explain why the selection of those years, "UD Amalgam Poster" ;) , is equally ridiculous (at least when it's being used as a knock on our program). :p

[Fordham]

Since 2001:

Colgate 38-11 .776
Lehigh 36-11 .767

Not too shabby for the PL, no? 3 in the top 25. BTW, what's that make the rank of CU and LU?

I was going to comment on that but then figured that what eaglesrthe1 posted would be a legitimate rebuttal of that being overly positive for the PL.

That said, here's the complete list as it appears in the media guide:

Team; Record; %
1. Penn 35-4 .897
2. Hahvahd 33-6 .846
3. Dayton 37-7 .841
4. Montana 47-11 .810
5. Colgate 38-11 .776
6. Duquesne 34-10 .773
7. Grambling 36-11 .766
7. Lehigh 36-11 .766 (tie)
9. Ga. Southern 39-12 .765
10. Western Ky. 38-14 .731
11. Bethune-Cook. 32-13 .711
12. Sacred Heart 29-12 .707
13. Furman 36-15 .706
14. McNeese St. 35-15 .700
15. Southern 33-15 .688
15. Wofford 33-15 .688 (tie)
17. Hampton 31-15 .674
17. Monmouth 29-14 .674 (tie)
19. Northern Iowa 33-16 .673
20. Delaware 34-17 .667
20. Villanova 32-16 .667 (tie)
22. FORDHAM 31-16 .660
23. Maine 32-17 .653
24. S.C. State 30-16 .652
25. Gardner-Webb 28-15 .651

[Eagle_77]

A few thoughts on the SoCon.

Many fans of the big three don't want a big four. But let's give Wofford some credit. Their first three years in I-AA they were 3-7,4-7 and 6-5. Take out the first two years and there winning percentage is 65% (#3 in the SoCon). Take out the first three years and they are just below 68% and just below Furman. Yes, there OOC schedule has been weak. Yes they were 8-3 last year losing to the Big Three. But they have been heading in the right direction unlike our more recent member, Elon. Elon's first two years in I-AA they were 9-2 and 7-4. Elon has not had a winning record since.

This will be a telling year for Wofford, but even if they fall some this year it does not necesarily predict their future. They may be an irritant to some, but Wofford has contributed to the SoCon football.


Oh I agree with you 100%. Not sure if what I wrote was negaitve but was stating that there record was a little misleading. They are a good program on the verge of becoming a VERY good program. I am afraid that this year they may slip but I dont think its for good. They will be just fine.

[OL FU]

Oh I agree with you 100%. Not sure if what I wrote was negaitve but was stating that there record was a little misleading. They are a good program on the verge of becoming a VERY good program. I am afraid that this year they may slip but I dont think its for good. They will be just fine.

Not directed at you. Every two to three weeks I take a look at some of the other SoCon boards and an article from the Sparkle City paper talking about Wofford's record over the past three years was getting trashed. The article quoted Ayers as saying he thought Wofford should be considered one of the top teams. What else is he going to say, "Wofford is mediocre!" :)

I think your point is correct. Wofford's OOC has sucked and that is one of the reasons they have the best three year record in the SoCon.

[blueballs]

A few thoughts on the SoCon.

Many fans of the big three don't want a big four. But let's give Wofford some credit. Their first three years in I-AA they were 3-7,4-7 and 6-5. Take out the first two years and there winning percentage is 65% (#3 in the SoCon). Take out the first three years and they are just below 68% and just below Furman. Yes, there OOC schedule has been weak. Yes they were 8-3 last year losing to the Big Three. But they have been heading in the right direction unlike our more recent member, Elon. Elon's first two years in I-AA they were 9-2 and 7-4. Elon has not had a winning record since.

This will be a telling year for Wofford, but even if they fall some this year it does not necesarily predict their future. They may be an irritant to some, but Wofford has contributed to the SoCon football.

Good observation. As much as we pick on the ankle biters they make the most out of what they have and have come a looooooong way.

The third week of the season they host GSU, that game will be a huge measuring stick for them. If they absorb a whipping anything like what GSU laid on them last year it will not be a good thing for their program.

[OL FU]

Good observation. As much as we pick on the ankle biters they make the most out of what they have and have come a looooooong way.

The third week of the season they host GSU, that game will be a huge measuring stick for them. If they absorb a whipping anything like what GSU laid on them last year it will not be a good thing for their program.

It will not be as bad as last year, but I don't think it is going to be pretty either.

[ngineer]

[/QUOTE]
No other I-AA program, other than the Ivy League programs which dominated (for obvious reasons) throughout the 1880's through 1910's, has ever captured a mythical national championship from one of the major historical ranking services.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I think my bretheran up the road in Easton may have something to say about that. Lafayette was named the consensus National Champion in 1921 and 1926. In 1921, the Maroon defeated "Pop"Warner's vaunted Pitt squad 6-0, and later dismantled powerful Penn, 38-6, which featured the illustrious John Heisman (who?).
The season was not without controversy, as Lafayette was led by famed halfback Bots Brunner, who had already played for three other schools, including Lehigh, having also played at Yale and Penn! Talk about 'free agency'.
The whole debate on financial aid was in full bloom, then, too. Lehigh was regularly losing to Lafayette by large scores and the newspapers even editorialized that Lehigh had to start "allowing its alumni to send boys through college; poor boys with athletic ability to play football. The policy is permitted at Lafayette and most other institutions in the land, including many with that have considerably larger enrollments....If Lehigh insists on her present policy, then 'the game' should be played earlier, on the first date of the schedule. They should no longer ask for or expect the choice attraction on the end of the season's program."--Easton Express, 1927. Lafayette's 10 year winning streak--the longest in the series--ended or, should we say, "crashed" in 1929. :read:

[JoltinJoe]

ngineer:

I know Lafayette was undefeated those seasons, but I don't know any historical ranking outfit that rates Lafayette national champion in either season. Cornell is most often cited as the 1921 champion. Stanford or Alabama are most frequently cited the 1926 champion. I should note Notre Dame is the team most often cited as the 1929 champion. But of course we all know that Sorenson is the best. Sorenson's only error is its No. 2 ranking of Fordham for the 1937 season, when, of course, we all know Fordham should have been No. 1.

[ngineer]

Well, (imagine ol' Dutch talking), Joe, all I can say is what is reported in these parts and references to 'The Philadelphia Evening Ledger", the "New York Evening Mail", the "New York Globe", although the "New York Herald" was split between Iowa and Lafayette. The "New York Evening Post" stated: "The Eastern title is settled with Lafayette"--so at the very least Lafayette and Iowa--as 'champion of the west'--we viewed as the 'mythical' national champions. No different than various other 'polls'. Same problem we have to today with I-A.

[Go...gate]

Agree with Joltin' Joe. If Fordham hadn't shut the program down after 1953, I think Eastern College FB would have been much different. Indeed, IMO, Fordham would have remained a national power.

[Fordham]

which means I wouldn't have been there, which means I wouldn't have been here.

this reminds me of cap'n's 'would you have killed stalin?' thread.

[ngineer]

Fully agree with 'what could have been' had Fordham reinstitute the program. I attended grad school at U of Detroit, and heard alot of what a storied football program they had--terminating football in 1964. Ironically, while there, I became the first football coach for the womens' intercollegiate football team (flag version), and we played the various schools in se Michigan. It was 'interesting' teaching 'em how to 'huddle up' :D

[skinny_uncle]

The history lesson was nice but I am more interested in the record for the coming year. History won't win you a title.
:twocents:

[ngineer]

Well the thread is about history, though it started with 'recent history' it evolved because history is all relative when you are trying to compare eras.

[colgate13]

The history lesson was nice but I am more interested in the record for the coming year. History won't win you a title.
:twocents:

No, but it might get you a home game.