AGS Poll Results - WEEK 13 SELECTION SUNDAY - 2019 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

11/24/2019



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
North Dakota State Bison
1850
74


2
James Madison Dukes
1776



3
Sac State Hornets
1652



4
Weber State Wildcats
1646



5
Montana State Bobcats
1548



6
Northern Iowa Panthers
1414



7
Montana Grizzlies
1381



8
Villanova Wildcats
1202



9
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1133



10
Wofford Terriers
1120



11
Central Arkansas Bears
998



12
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
976



13
Illinois State Redbirds
896



14
Austin Peay Governors
851



15
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
822



16
Monmouth Hawks
787



17
Furman Paladins
708



18
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
538



19
Nicholls State Colonels
505



20
Albany Great Danes
446



21
Dartmouth Big Green
293



22
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
280



23
Kennesaw State Owls
259



24
Southern Illinois Salukis
250



25
Yale Bulldogs
179
















ORV:




26
Florida A&M Rattlers
133



27
San Diego Toreros
132



28
North Carolina A&T Aggies
97



29
South Carolina State Bulldogs
59



30
Towson Tigers
51



31
Eastern Washington Eagles
33



32
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12



33
New Hampshire Wildcats
11



34
Princeton Tigers
4



35
Southern Jaguars
3



36
Chattanooga Mocs
2



37
Sam Houston State Bearkats
2



38
McNeese State Cowboys
1




























Most Significant Win:

Montana State Bobcats



Most Significant Loss:

South Dakota State Jackrabbits

[coriander_seed]

You put two Ivies in. I love you all.

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/23/2019 19:08:49

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Austin Peay Governors
15: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Furman Paladins
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Yale Bulldogs
25: Kennesaw State Owls

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Austin Peay Governors
13: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Furman Paladins
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Dartmouth Big Green
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: Florida A&M Rattlers
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

[Professor Chaos]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-13-selection-sunday-top-25-results/

My thoughts:

Overall pretty good but I think Weber St should be in front of Sac St and will be when the bracket is revealed in a couple hours.
I don't see what keeps propping up Villanova. They had a ridiculously soft non-conference schedule, a bad loss in conference to Stony Brook, and their only win over a team with a winning record was over Towson who is not out of the top 25 and likely out of the playoffs.
On the flip side Monmouth deserves to be higher (as I've said for the last 3 weeks). Flip Monmouth and Villanova in this poll and I think it's really damn good.

[caribbeanhen]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/23/2019 19:08:49

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Austin Peay Governors
15: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Furman Paladins
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Yale Bulldogs
25: Kennesaw State Owls

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

#22 beat # 11 by a score of 34-0 .....

SELA belongs in the playoffs

[caribbeanhen]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Austin Peay Governors
13: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Furman Paladins
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Dartmouth Big Green
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: Florida A&M Rattlers
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

I think you are still remembering the 2017 version of Monmouth that got whipped at UNI..... this version is better

[Professor Chaos]

The at-large field according to AGS:

1. Sac St (3)
2. Montana St (5)
3. Northern Iowa (6)
4. Montana (7)
5. Villanova (8)
6. South Dakota St (9)
7. Central Arkansas (11)
8. Southeast Missouri St (12)
9. Illinois St (13)
10. Furman (17)
11. North Dakota (18)
12. Albany (20)
13. Southeastern Louisiana (22)
14. Kennesaw St (23)

First out
Southern Illinois (24)
South Carolina St (29)
Towson (30)
Eastern Washington (31)
Tennessee-Martin (32)
New Hampshire (33)

Only 9 points separated Kennesaw St from SIU so that was a very tight margin right on the key part of the bubble according to the AGS consensus.

[Professor Chaos]

My poll ballot:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Sacramento State Hornets
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Monmouth Hawks
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Austin Peay Governors
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Dartmouth Big Green
21: Furman Paladins
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Yale Bulldogs
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Florida A&M Rattlers

[POD Knows]

#22 beat # 11 by a score of 34-0 .....

SELA belongs in the playoffsDude, there is a ton of this **** that happened, UND also beat MSU, should I flip them. I have SELA in the playoffs, I have UNI over SDSU, should I flip those two as well. SDSU beat them by over 30, good God.

[R.A.]

Wofford 8-3, SoCon Champs, lost to SC State... you all put them in the Top 15 of your polls.
SC State, 8-3, MEAC Co-Champs, beat Wofford... you all don't even rank them in your Top 25.

Could the bias be anymore prevalent...

[caribbeanhen]

Dude, there is a ton of this **** that happened, UND also beat MSU, should I flip them. I have SELA in the playoffs, I have UNI over SDSU, should I flip those two as well. SDSU beat them by over 30, good God.

I know but I'm on the SELA bandwagon.... you could of slid em up a few spots :D

[caribbeanhen]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-13-selection-sunday-top-25-results/

My thoughts:

Overall pretty good but I think Weber St should be in front of Sac St and will be when the bracket is revealed in a couple hours.
I don't see what keeps propping up Villanova. They had a ridiculously soft non-conference schedule, a bad loss in conference to Stony Brook, and their only win over a team with a winning record was over Towson who is not out of the top 25 and likely out of the playoffs.
On the flip side Monmouth deserves to be higher (as I've said for the last 3 weeks). Flip Monmouth and Villanova in this poll and I think it's really damn good.



I agree with you on Nova, a good team will take em out.... Nova D is suspect.... but on the otherhand, not so sure teams like SEMO and Austin Peay would beat Nova, there are just not enough good teams in FCS right now

[ejjones]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-13-selection-sunday-top-25-results/

My thoughts:

Overall pretty good but I think Weber St should be in front of Sac St and will be when the bracket is revealed in a couple hours.
I don't see what keeps propping up Villanova. They had a ridiculously soft non-conference schedule, a bad loss in conference to Stony Brook, and their only win over a team with a winning record was over Towson who is not out of the top 25 and likely out of the playoffs.
On the flip side Monmouth deserves to be higher (as I've said for the last 3 weeks). Flip Monmouth and Villanova in this poll and I think it's really damn good.


Did you say Villanova or Furman?

[Bisonator]

Hello Bisonator,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/23/2019 19:19:06

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Austin Peay Governors
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21: Furman Paladins
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: San Diego Toreros
24: Towson Tigers
25: Southeastern Louisiana Lions

[TheKingpin28]

I think you are still remembering the 2017 version of Monmouth that got whipped at UNI..... this version is better

Hard to prop up a team that goat boatraced by a mediocre MAC team and a blowout loss to Montana. The win at home against Albany is helping, but I just do not see it right now.

[ejjones]

Wofford 8-3, SoCon Champs, lost to SC State... you all put them in the Top 15 of your polls.
SC State, 8-3, MEAC Co-Champs, beat Wofford... you all don't even rank them in your Top 25.

Could the bias be anymore prevalent...
R.A. you can't take this serious...I don't. There's so many teams without any credible win EARLY or LATE in the season, but still get voted in the top 25.

R.A. this is a fan poll...take it with a grain of salt.

[coriander_seed]

Hello Bisonator,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/23/2019 19:19:06

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Austin Peay Governors
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: Albany Great Danes
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21: Furman Paladins
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: San Diego Toreros
24: Towson Tigers
25: Southeastern Louisiana Lions

No Ivy teams?!?? At least you have the PFL represented!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
9: Austin Peay Governors
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Furman Paladins
12: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13: Florida A&M Rattlers
14: Dartmouth Big Green
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: San Diego Toreros
17: Albany Great Danes
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Yale Bulldogs
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Illinois State Redbirds

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: Illinois State Redbirds
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[caribbeanhen]

Hard to prop up a team that goat boatraced by a mediocre MAC team and a blowout loss to Montana. The win at home against Albany is helping, but I just do not see it right now.

No it's not, just watch them play, good skill players.... this is a CC and your holding them back by results against FBS team and Montana? fine, we will know soon enough

[Bisonator]

No Ivy teams?!??
Very good observation.

[POD Knows]

I know but I'm on the SELA bandwagon.... you could of slid em up a few spots :D
:D Yea, maybe but I use my prior polls as a basis for my poll the next week, I had dropped them a ways during the year and they worked their way back up. It is really tough from 10 and down. I scorched ISUr this week, they are beyond bad at this point, I didn't realize that a mediocre Davis as QB was the MVP of the MVFC until he got hurt. Wow, are they horrible on offense. I think the MVFC, outside of NDSU, is really weak now. SDSU and ISUr are really hurting due to injuries. If SDSU gets fed to UND, they will lose big up there.

[caribbeanhen]

:D Yea, maybe but I use my prior polls as a basis for my poll the next week, I had dropped them a ways during the year and they worked their way back up. It is really tough from 10 and down. I scorched ISUr this week, they are beyond bad at this point, I didn't realize that a mediocre Davis as QB was the MVP of the MVFC until he got hurt. Wow, are they horrible on offense. I think the MVFC, outside of NDSU, is really weak now. SDSU and ISUr are really hurting due to injuries. If SDSU gets fed to UND, they will lose big up there.

Paul McCartney and Wings...... We all know who Paul.is.....

but even a beat up S Dak State and a beat up Ill State might be better than the rest of the pack in the FCS today
CAA is no better than the Ivy league

Southland is rising....
Big Sky might be the best right now

[caribbeanhen]

Very good observation.

Actually Biasonator, it's a poor observation on your part.... watch the Yale Harvard game .... lot's of talent on display

[coriander_seed]

Actually Biasonator, it's a poor observation on your part.... watch the Yale Harvard game .... lot's of talent on display
Ha

[POD Knows]

Paul McCartney and Wings...... We all know who Paul.is.....

but even a beat up S Dak State and a beat up Ill State might be better than the rest of the pack in the FCS today
CAA is no better than the Ivy league

Southland is rising....
Big Sky might be the best right nowGod I hope not, if that is a correct statement the FCS might as well fold up the tents and go home. Did you watch any of the YSU/ISUr game. ISUr was comically bad on O and it isn't like the YSU D is any good.

[TheKingpin28]

Wofford 8-3, SoCon Champs, lost to SC State... you all put them in the Top 15 of your polls.
SC State, 8-3, MEAC Co-Champs, beat Wofford... you all don't even rank them in your Top 25.

Could the bias be anymore prevalent...

Alright, let's just cut through this bull**** real quick so you can stop.

SOS:
-Wofford: 75
-SCSU: 102

Massey:
-Wofford: 16
-SCSU: 49

Sagarin:
-Wofford: 13
-SCSU: 59

D1 Wins:
-Wofford: 8
-SCSU: 7

You all played in the 1st week of the season. Do you think it is possible that teams grow and develop over the course of say 12 weeks? Is it possible that going on the road in the first game of the year and losing your top 2 RBs (which accounted for 40% of your TO offense), there might have been a drop off in talent going into the 1st game? These are questions that the voters have taken into consideration and determined that if they were to meet again, they believe Wofford would win this game.

Side Note: If they were to play again, on a Wofford field, SCSU would be -17.5 underdog and a -15 underdog on a neutral field. It's possible that people are biased or maybe they are doing their homework and seeing how things are really breaking out.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

God I hope not, if that is a correct statement the FCS might as well fold up the tents and go home. Did you watch any of the YSU/ISUr game. ISUr was comically bad on O and it isn't like the YSU D is any good.

Illinois State's offense wasn't great prior to last week. Then they got hit with two key injuries to make matters worse. I have them at 25 after they were in the Top 10 of my poll basically all season.. The Redbirds and Holy Cross will be the two weakest teams in the playoffs imo.

[Professor Chaos]

Did you say Villanova or Furman?
Furman is similar but they're also ranked down where I think Nova should be at.

[TheKingpin28]

R.A. you can't take this serious...I don't. There's so many teams without any credible win EARLY or LATE in the season, but still get voted in the top 25.

R.A. this is a fan poll...take it with a grain of salt.

I'd trust most of the voters on here VS STATS and/or Coaches any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Since you only come around when your team is doing well, you wouldn't know this, but this poll is the most accurate predictor year in and year out as to who will make the playoffs VIA At-Large bids.

[Professor Chaos]

Hard to prop up a team that goat boatraced by a mediocre MAC team and a blowout loss to Montana. The win at home against Albany is helping, but I just do not see it right now.
Monmouth did not get boat raced by Montana. That was a one score game with 8 minutes left. They played Montana tougher in Missoula than pretty much anyone including Weber St.

[Hammersmith]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-13-selection-sunday-top-25-results/

My thoughts:

Overall pretty good but I think Weber St should be in front of Sac St and will be when the bracket is revealed in a couple hours.
I don't see what keeps propping up Villanova. They had a ridiculously soft non-conference schedule, a bad loss in conference to Stony Brook, and their only win over a team with a winning record was over Towson who is not out of the top 25 and likely out of the playoffs.
On the flip side Monmouth deserves to be higher (as I've said for the last 3 weeks). Flip Monmouth and Villanova in this poll and I think it's really damn good.


Looks like AGS is very conflicted on the subject. Sac St only received 0.36% more points than Weber. Pretty darn close to a tie.

[ejjones]

I'd trust most of the voters on here VS STATS and/or Coaches any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Since you only come around when your team is doing well, you wouldn't know this, but this poll is the most accurate predictor year in and year out as to who will make the playoffs VIA At-Large bids.

LOL...Ok, give yourself a hug & pat yourself on the back. I've been on here for a long time (actually six years longer than you xnodx)...mostly reading, and not posting. And yes, I've observe typical bias for a long time.

[Hammersmith]

Paul McCartney and Wings...... We all know who Paul.is.....

but even a beat up S Dak State and a beat up Ill State might be better than the rest of the pack in the FCS today
CAA is no better than the Ivy league

Southland is rising....
Big Sky might be the best right now

Have to agree. But by right now, I would say right now. I wouldn't have agreed three weeks ago. The injury bug hit the MVFC bad, and mostly at the same time.

[Bisonator]

I don't understand the Sac over Weber idea either. WTH are people basing that on???

[POD Knows]

LOL...Ok, give yourself a hug & pat yourself on the back. I've been on here for a long time (actually six years longer than you xnodx)...mostly reading, and not posting. And yes, I've observe typical bias for a long time.What, do you have a mirror by your computer screen? NCAT and FAMU were in the AGS poll for most of the year, I had them in mine until these teams took a dive recently. FAMU would still be in the top 25 if they hadn't lost yesterday.

[caribbeanhen]

God I hope not, if that is a correct statement the FCS might as well fold up the tents and go home. Did you watch any of the YSU/ISUr game. ISUr was comically bad on O and it isn't like the YSU D is any good.

I have seen some glimpses of Illi State this year, mid season they had a great D and stud RB.... The starting QB was suspect, I figured they would not be hurt that much by the injury.... I saw a few series of yesterdays game so yes, that comment of mine about still might be better than the FCS pack is over the top in wrongness...

[TheKingpin28]

LOL...Ok, give yourself a hug & pat yourself on the back. I've been on here for a long time (actually six years longer than you xnodx)...mostly reading, and not posting. And yes, I've observe typical bias for a long time.

Well I'm not counting the 4 years I did not sign up, but yeah, ok. People have voted for your team, myself included multiple times this season. If you have something to contribute, why do you not vote? I mean, you seem to have all of the answers and ideas, yet none of the actual work.

[Professor Chaos]

I don't understand the Sac over Weber idea either. WTH are people basing that on???
I would guess everyone that has Weber St higher has Sac St right behind them whereas those who have Sac St higher have a few teams (like Montana and Montana St) between them so you need a lot more voters with Weber St higher to make up for those that don't.

[caribbeanhen]

Ha

Hey, I was not talking about the half time show.... not sure where you are going with this ha thing.....

[Bisonator]

Actually Biasonator, it's a poor observation on your part.... watch the Yale Harvard game .... lot's of talent on display
Until the Ivies come into the 21st century they can stay off my poll. Play someone outside the PL for a change and challenge themselves. Fact is they don't give a **** so neither do I. Why waste my time watching them play with themselves? They're the ones wanting to maintain a charade.

[TheKingpin28]

What, do you have a mirror by your computer screen? NCAT and FAMU were in the AGS poll for most of the year, I had them in mine until these teams took a dive recently. FAMU would still be in the top 25 if they hadn't lost yesterday.

Shh... Let the narrative that we do not vote for HBCU teams keep going. I enjoy watching Novembrists come out swinging to only disappear again for another 11 months.

[Bisonator]

I would guess everyone that has Weber St higher has Sac St right behind them whereas those who have Sac St higher have a few teams (like Montana and Montana St) between them so you need a lot more voters with Weber St higher to make up for those that don't.
Which again makes no sense.

[ejjones]

Alright, let's just cut through this bull**** real quick so you can stop.

SOS:
-Wofford: 75
-SCSU: 102

Massey:
-Wofford: 16
-SCSU: 49

Sagarin:
-Wofford: 13
-SCSU: 59

D1 Wins:
-Wofford: 8
-SCSU: 7

You all played in the 1st week of the season. Do you think it is possible that teams grow and develop over the course of say 12 weeks? Is it possible that going on the road in the first game of the year and losing your top 2 RBs (which accounted for 40% of your TO offense), there might have been a drop off in talent going into the 1st game? These are questions that the voters have taken into consideration and determined that if they were to meet again, they believe Wofford would win this game.

Side Note: If they were to play again, on a Wofford field, SCSU would be -17.5 underdog and a -15 underdog on a neutral field. It's possible that people are biased or maybe they are doing their homework and seeing how things are really breaking out.

The computers obviously are perfect and have no inherent flaws. I'm glad there are people meeting to have these discussions and not solely relying on some algorithm. Talk to anyone that is remotely familiar with AI; there are flaws.

BTW, I'd bet the house on those odds.

[caribbeanhen]

Until the Ivies come into the 21st century they can stay off my poll. Play someone outside the PL for a change and challenge themselves. Fact is they don't give a **** so neither do I. Why waste my time watching them play with themselves? They're the ones wanting to maintain a charade.

Yale beat Maine, the FCS semi finalist last year, and beat Richmond this year.... I totally get your take on the Ivies, but that was a pretty entertaining football game yesterday in the Yale bowl..... pretty good team

[kalm]

LOL...Ok, give yourself a hug & pat yourself on the back. I've been on here for a long time (actually six years longer than you xnodx)...mostly reading, and not posting. And yes, I've observe typical bias for a long time.

I’ve observed the bias too. Bias towards teams that play challenging schedules both in and out of conference, pick up a quality win or two, and have a shot at reaching the quarters and beyond.

[ejjones]

What, do you have a mirror by your computer screen? NCAT and FAMU were in the AGS poll for most of the year, I had them in mine until these teams took a dive recently. FAMU would still be in the top 25 if they hadn't lost yesterday.
I wasn't referring to that at all...they've been playing well and deserved to be ranked.

[R.A.]

R.A. you can't take this serious...I don't. There's so many teams without any credible win EARLY or LATE in the season, but still get voted in the top 25.

R.A. this is a fan poll...take it with a grain of salt.

It's all connected.
The FCS Coaches Poll and the STATS Poll, didn't rank SC State all season long, but they still have Wofford ranked.
The Polls did the a similar thing with A&T and Jacksonville State last year; A&T beat JSU. The next week A&T was ranked 14th, JSU 13th.

Even right now, I can go read STATS/ HERO reporters' opinions about how Southeastern Louisiana should be in the postseason, advocating that their cancelled game versus B-CU would have been their 8th FCS victory; while at the same time those same writers won't even acknowledge that SC State beat Bethune, and they REALLY won't acknowledge that in 2017 Bethune beat Southeastern Louisiana in Louisiana. Those writers could just as easily advocate for a Bethune- Cookman playoff spot saying that Southeastern Louisiana would have been Bethune's 8th FCS victory based upon previous recent history... but those writers won't even acknowledge SC State or Bethune as playoff possibilities.

I haven't read a column yet on why the Bethune/ Southeastern Louisiana game wasn't made up. And the columns that I do read, say things like "Wofford was tinkering with their offense in the SC State Game." The can't even just come out and say it was a hard fought game, SC State won fair and square.

-The FCS Playoffs are rigged ejjones. Many are suggesting that Wofford be seeded, but not even place SC State in the playoffs. It's rigged.

Furman played an NAIA school, Kennesaw State played TWO NAIA Schools, but these are two schools projected to get in ahead of SC State. HOW? The MEAC takes flak for DII games. The NAIA is below DII, and teams from other conferences can schedule them and still somehow get more playoff consideration that the MEAC schools? The game's rigged.

The FCS Community is showing us that they'll do anything to keep the MEAC from rising. There are too many recent examples to mention them all.

If SC State gets in, they'll be the last team in, and they'll probably be on the road in the first round... But that's a big if. Because the MEAC dropped their bid (and did exactly what these FCS folks who hate us wanted us too do), we have ZERO advocates on the selection committee.

But it's good to see that the strong programs in the MEAC haven't quit and are still playing the FCS Post-season game. Bethune, A&T, SC State, and FAMU...

[TheKingpin28]

I’ve observed the bias too. Bias towards teams that play challenging schedules both in and out of conference, pick up a quality win or two, and have a shot at reaching the quarters and beyond.

If EWU hadn't played Lindenwood, which is no slouch of a team, they would be in the 24 for sure.

@Washington
@JSU
@Sac St
@Montana

Holy hell that is a nightmare of a schedule. That ID loss hurts though.

[coriander_seed]

Hey, I was not talking about the half time show.... not sure where you are going with this ha thing.....
I think I should have put Lol?

[The Yo Show]

Hello The Yo Show,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/23/2019 21:12:44

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Austin Peay Governors
12: Florida A&M Rattlers
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
15: Furman Paladins
16: Albany Great Danes
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Yale Bulldogs
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Nicholls State Colonels
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Kennesaw State Owls

The Yo Show

The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: Illinois State Redbirds
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[R.A.]

Alright, let's just cut through this bull**** real quick so you can stop.

SOS:
-Wofford: 75
-SCSU: 102

Massey:
-Wofford: 16
-SCSU: 49

Sagarin:
-Wofford: 13
-SCSU: 59

D1 Wins:
-Wofford: 8
-SCSU: 7

You all played in the 1st week of the season.


So lets start right there.

After the first game of the first week of the season, when all you had to judge SC State and Wofford was the game in which SC State beat Wofford, was SC State placed ahead of Wofford at that time?? The answer is no.

You didn't need computers to tell you after the game, which team was better. SC State already proved it on the field, YET NONE OF THE POLLS RANKED SC STATE AHEAD OF WOFFORD AFTER THE FIRST GAME!




Do you think it is possible that teams grow and develop over the course of say 12 weeks? Is it possible that going on the road in the first game of the year and losing your top 2 RBs (which accounted for 40% of your TO offense), there might have been a drop off in talent going into the 1st game? These are questions that the voters have taken into consideration and determined that if they were to meet again, they believe Wofford would win this game.

Fine, but AGAIN, after Week One, when SC State beat Wofford, SC State STILL WAS NOT PLACE AHEAD OF WOFFORD. If SC State is 1-0, and Wofford is 0-1, and SC STATE BEAT WOFFORD to become 1-0, and Wofford lost to SC State to become 0-1; HOW CAN WOFFORD STILL BE RANKED AHEAD OF SC STATE??


Side Note: If they were to play again, on a Wofford field, SCSU would be -17.5 underdog and a -15 underdog on a neutral field. It's possible that people are biased or maybe they are doing their homework and seeing how things are really breaking out.

I watched Wofford play Mercer, Furman, and The Citadel. Even with home field advantage, in a fair game; SC State's defense severely limits Wofford's offense. You can use the odds, but they were already wrong. You can use the computers, they were already wrong. You can use the rankings, they were already wrong. SC State's defense is serious. Wofford scores 20 points MAX versus SC State. And if SC State scores anything more that 20 versus Wofford,which they've already proven they can do, they'll beat Wofford again.

[POD Knows]

I wasn't referring to that at all...they've been playing well and deserved to be ranked.I haven't had a chance to watch SC State this year, I have watched NCAT, and FAMU and had both of them in the teens in my poll this year. The MEAC has some pretty good teams this year, you have 3 or 4 teams beating each other and it gets real tough to rank them, hell, NCAT, FAMU and SC State are almost in a statistical tie in my mind.

Just curious, how would you rank these three, I basically had it FAMU/SC State/NCAT That Morgan State loss for NCAT was a killer.

[TheKingpin28]

So lets start right there.

After the first game of the first week of the season, when all you had to judge SC State and Wofford was the game in which SC State beat Wofford, was SC State placed ahead of Wofford at that time?? The answer is no.

You didn't need computers to tell you after the game, which team was better. SC State already proved it on the field, YET NONE OF THE POLLS RANKED SC STATE AHEAD OF WOFFORD AFTER THE FIRST GAME!




Fine, but AGAIN, after Week One, when SC State beat Wofford, SC State STILL WAS NOT PLACE AHEAD OF WOFFORD. If SC State is 1-0, and Wofford is 0-1, and SC STATE BEAT WOFFORD to become 1-0, and Wofford lost to SC State to become 0-1; HOW CAN WOFFORD STILL BE RANKED AHEAD OF SC STATE??


I watched Wofford play Mercer, Furman, and The Citadel. Even with home field advantage, in a fair game; SC State's defense severely limits Wofford's offense. You can use the odds, but they were already wrong. You can use the computers, they were already wrong. You can use the rankings, they were already wrong. SC State's defense is serious. Wofford scores 20 points MAX versus SC State. And if SC State scores anything more that 20 versus Wofford,which they've already proven they can do, they'll beat Wofford again.

Considering after week 1, Wofford was out and I had SCSU at 19, ok...

[Chalupa Batman]

I'm surprised to see Illinois State ranked so high. They are not a good team right now without Davis.

[Derby City Duke]

I apologize — I reviewed my ballot 3 times and still did not catch my error. Southern Illinois should’ve been my #23, not Southern. Given the 9 point differential between SIU and KSU, I may have inadvertently helped skew the poll. Ursus, I throw myself on the mercy of the court.

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/23/2019 21:13:09

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Austin Peay Governors
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: Wofford Terriers
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Albany Great Danes
20: San Diego Toreros
21: Furman Paladins
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: Southern Jaguars
24: Dartmouth Big Green
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

[R.A.]

Shh... Let the narrative that we do not vote for HBCU teams keep going. I enjoy watching Novembrists come out swinging to only disappear again for another 11 months.

If A&T goes to Fargo and pulls off the upset, can you convince your school to go to Greensboro during A&T's homecoming for a rematch?

[Bisonator]

I wasn't referring to that at all...they've been playing well and deserved to be ranked.


The FCS Community is showing us that they'll do anything to keep the MEAC from rising.
Let's see your guys polls.

[R.A.]

Considering after week 1, Wofford was out and I had SCSU at 19, ok...
Wofford was still in all the national polls ahead of SC State after week one INCLUDING the Any Given Saturday Poll.

http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-1-top-25-results-2/

Wofford was #22, SC State received votes.

You all play too many games, facts mean nothing here...

[POD Knows]

If A&T goes to Fargo and pulls off the upset, can you convince your school to go to Greensboro during A&T's homecoming for a rematch?When is there homecoming?

[TheKingpin28]

Wofford was still in all the national polls ahead of SC State after week one INCLUDING the Any Given Saturday Poll.

http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-1-top-25-results-2/

Wofford was #22, SC State received votes.

You all play too many games, facts mean nothing here...

So lets keep moving the goalposts? Got it.

[TheKingpin28]

When is there homecoming?

Hell, I'd go to that game!

[R.A.]

When is there homecoming?

Call 'em and ask.
It'll be a packed house, their most threatening environment.

If the Aggies beat NDSU next season, convince your school to play A&T during their homecoming the following season.

[POD Knows]

Call 'em and ask.
It'll be a packed house, their most threatening environment.

If the Aggies beat NDSU next season, convince your school to play A&T during their homecoming the following season.Well, they won't beat us but even if they don't, I would be all over a H&H, hell, we had an H&H with Delaware and we bitch slapped them both games.

[Professor Chaos]

AGS nails the at-large field (as does the STATS poll). Seeds were a bit off (got 6 of 8 seeds right and the bottom 3 seeds were a few seed lines off).

I actually liked the commitee's top 8 better than AGS'.

[R.A.]

So lets keep moving the goalposts? Got it.

The game is rigged.

[R.A.]

AGS nails the at-large field (as does the STATS poll). Seeds were a bit off (got 6 of 8 seeds right and the bottom 3 seeds were a few seed lines off).

I actually liked the committee's top 8 better than AGS'.

I wonder why?? It's the same people doing all the polls, all the rankings, programing all the computers, making all the playoff selections.

The game is rigged.

[Bison56]

Love that the same group that makes fun of the playoffs is crying about one of their teams not getting into it. You cant make it up.xlolx

[POD Knows]

Love that the same group that makes fun of the playoffs is crying about one of their teams not getting into it. You cant make it up.xlolxYea, I thought the playoffs was beneath the HBCU's, sort of an ugly second cousin.

[centennial]

Please explain SIU being so low. 5 wins in a row, played NDSU well, has a weak FBS win, no bad loss. That at least gives them a top 20, I think they are probably in the 10-15 range.

Edit: 1 loss is to a FBS team.

[R.A.]

Let's see your guys polls.

In a time long ago, before you joined this site in 2011, I did vote in the AGS Poll.

It didn't appear to matter.

[Sycamore62]

Please explain SIU being so low. 5 wins in a row, played NDSU well, has a weak FBS win, no bad loss. That at least gives them a top 20, I think they are probably in the 10-15 range.

Edit: 1 loss is to a FBS team.

I had them at 18 but they beat a bunch of bad teams including a win against ISUb that I was unimpressed with.

[KSUFAN]

It's all connected.
The FCS Coaches Poll and the STATS Poll, didn't rank SC State all season long, but they still have Wofford ranked.
The Polls did the a similar thing with A&T and Jacksonville State last year; A&T beat JSU. The next week A&T was ranked 14th, JSU 13th.

Even right now, I can go read STATS/ HERO reporters' opinions about how Southeastern Louisiana should be in the postseason, advocating that their cancelled game versus B-CU would have been their 8th FCS victory; while at the same time those same writers won't even acknowledge that SC State beat Bethune, and they REALLY won't acknowledge that in 2017 Bethune beat Southeastern Louisiana in Louisiana. Those writers could just as easily advocate for a Bethune- Cookman playoff spot saying that Southeastern Louisiana would have been Bethune's 8th FCS victory based upon previous recent history... but those writers won't even acknowledge SC State or Bethune as playoff possibilities.

I haven't read a column yet on why the Bethune/ Southeastern Louisiana game wasn't made up. And the columns that I do read, say things like "Wofford was tinkering with their offense in the SC State Game." The can't even just come out and say it was a hard fought game, SC State won fair and square.

-The FCS Playoffs are rigged ejjones. Many are suggesting that Wofford be seeded, but not even place SC State in the playoffs. It's rigged.

Furman played an NAIA school, Kennesaw State played TWO NAIA Schools, but these are two schools projected to get in ahead of SC State. HOW? The MEAC takes flak for DII games. The NAIA is below DII, and teams from other conferences can schedule them and still somehow get more playoff consideration that the MEAC schools? The game's rigged.

The FCS Community is showing us that they'll do anything to keep the MEAC from rising. There are too many recent examples to mention them all.

If SC State gets in, they'll be the last team in, and they'll probably be on the road in the first round... But that's a big if. Because the MEAC dropped their bid (and did exactly what these FCS folks who hate us wanted us too do), we have ZERO advocates on the selection committee.

But it's good to see that the strong programs in the MEAC haven't quit and are still playing the FCS Post-season game. Bethune, A&T, SC State, and FAMU...

You do realize KSU played 9 FCS teams and went 8-1 in those games and a OT loss to a crappy FBS team. I will tell you that KSU isn’t a top 10 team by any means but they were a legitimate bubble team. I didn’t think they would get in but I am glad they did!!

[mvemjsunpx]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. James Madison (2)
3. Sacramento St. (3)
4. Weber St. (6)
5. Montana St. (10)
6. Dartmouth (7)
7. Montana (4)
8. Northern Iowa (8)
9. South Dakota St. (5)
10. Southeast Missouri St. (11)
11. Monmouth (12)
12. Yale (13)
13. Central Arkansas (14)
14. Austin Peay (17)
15. Nicholls St. (25)
16. CCSU (18)
17. Florida A&M (16)
18. North Carolina A&T (20)
19. South Carolina St. (21)
20. Illinois St. (9)
21. Southern Illinois (15)
22. Wofford (22)
23. Southeastern Louisiana (19)
24. North Dakota (23)
25. Kennesaw St. (24)

W - Montana St.
L - Towson


Dropped - (none)

[mvemjsunpx]

Here's how my ballot would look if it was solely determining the playoff field, which—I think we would all agree—is the way things should be done. xsmiley_wix
Teams in blue are autobids, teams in gray are ineligible, and the other teams on my list from outside the top-25 are included since I need them to show the at-large cutoff (underlined).



1. North Dakota St.
2. James Madison
3. Sacramento St.
4. Weber St.
5. Montana St.
6. Dartmouth
7. Montana
8. Northern Iowa
9. South Dakota St.
10. Southeast Missouri St.
11. Monmouth
12. Yale
13. Central Arkansas
14. Austin Peay
15. Nicholls St.
16. CCSU
17. Florida A&M
18. North Carolina A&T
19. South Carolina St.
20. Illinois St.
21. Southern Illinois
22. Wofford
23. Southeastern Louisiana
24. North Dakota
25. Kennesaw St.
---. Villanova
---. Albany
---. Furman
---. Tennessee-Martin
---. Princeton
---. Bethune-Cookman
---. Eastern Washington
---. San Diego
---. Holy Cross

[Preferred Walk-On]

Just wanted to get this on the record.

-----

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/23/2019 21:20:20

Your vote is listed below (previous week's rank in parentheses).

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: Weber State Wildcats (6)
4: Sac State Hornets (4)
5: Montana State Bobcats (12)
6: Montana Grizzlies (3)
7: Northern Iowa Panthers (9)
8: Austin Peay Governors (8)
9: Wofford Terriers (18)
10: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (10)
11: Central Arkansas Bears (21)
12: Villanova Wildcats (17)
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (5)
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (11)
15: Monmouth Hawks (13)
16: Southern Illinois Salukis (15)
17: Furman Paladins (19)
18: Nicholls State Colonels (20)
19: Albany Great Danes (22)
20: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (14)
21: Illinois State Redbirds (7)
22: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils (23)
23: San Diego Toreros (25)
24: Eastern Washington Eagles (NR)
25: Kennesaw State Owls (NR)

The most significant win: Montana State Bobcats
The most significant loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dropped from poll: Florida A&M Rattlers (16), Towson Tigers (24)