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AGSPoll
November 11th, 2019, 11:48 AM
11/11/2019




Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
North Dakota State Bison
1950
78


2
James Madison Dukes
1863



3
Weber State Wildcats
1795



4
Northern Iowa Panthers
1645



5
Montana Grizzlies
1624



6
Sac State Hornets
1562



7
Illinois State Redbirds
1462



8
Furman Paladins
1361



9
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1345



10
Montana State Bobcats
1182



11
Dartmouth Big Green
1013



12
Villanova Wildcats
928



13
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
898



14
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
717



15
Central Arkansas Bears
713



16
Austin Peay Governors
630



17
Wofford Terriers
596



18
Monmouth Hawks
574



19
Florida A&M Rattlers
504



20
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
460



21
Princeton Tigers
454



22
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
409



23
Towson Tigers
357



24
Southern Illinois Salukis
247



25
Kennesaw State Owls
226
















ORV:




26
Sam Houston State Bearkats
196



27
New Hampshire Wildcats
136



28
The Citadel Bulldogs
99



29
Nicholls State Colonels
86



30
San Diego Toreros
75



31
North Carolina A&T Aggies
55



32
Yale Bulldogs
52



33
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
26



34T
Albany Great Danes
23



34T
Richmond Spiders
23



36
UC Davis Aggies
21



37
South Carolina State Bulldogs
20



38
Eastern Washington Eagles
12



39
Maine Black Bears
11






















Most Significant Win:

Illinois State Redbirds



Most Significant Loss:

Central Arkansas Bears





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ursus arctos horribilis
November 11th, 2019, 11:54 AM
Not happy to be in the 5 spot this week. Congrats Weber, good win. xlolx

Professor Chaos
November 11th, 2019, 12:01 PM
Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-11-top-25-results-2/

My thoughts:

Might've been a week late but well done voters on Monmouth and Kennesaw and their relative placement with each other. Nice to see a pretty egregious mistake, IMO, be rectified despite both teams winning this week.
Not seeing the love for Villanova. Best wins are over consensus #23 Towson and #39 Maine. Lost to now consensus #27 UNH and a Stony Brook team that just fell out of the poll entirely. #12 is too high.
Same with Wofford continuing to climb despite not much that impresses me about who they beat and who they lost to. At the very least they should be below the Monmouth and Florida A&M teams right below them in the consensus.
Minor gripe since they're only separated by 16 points but Furman above SDSU is also kind of odd. SDSU has higher quality wins and higher quality losses for that matter.

Daytripper
November 11th, 2019, 12:01 PM
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Furman Paladins
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Sac State Hornets
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Dartmouth Big Green
11: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Florida A&M Rattlers
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Monmouth Hawks
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Towson Tigers
21: Sam Houston State Bearkats
22: Wofford Terriers
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: San Diego Toreros
25: Nicholls State Colonels

Professor Chaos
November 11th, 2019, 12:03 PM
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Furman Paladins
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Sac State Hornets
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Dartmouth Big Green
11: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Florida A&M Rattlers
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Monmouth Hawks
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Towson Tigers
21: Sam Houston State Bearkats
22: Wofford Terriers
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: San Diego Toreros
25: Nicholls State Colonels

Wow, Furman at #4? You must be seeing something I'm not.

Daytripper
November 11th, 2019, 12:06 PM
Wow, Furman at #4? You must be seeing something I'm not.

I've been higher on them than most. I still don't consider their loss to Va. Tech legit. They got jobbed.

Professor Chaos
November 11th, 2019, 12:06 PM
This was my crack at it this week. I was happy with the top 11... after that it was a mess so I've probably got some deserved criticism in there.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Sacramento State Hornets
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Dartmouth Big Green
10: Furman Paladins
11: Monmouth Hawks
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Austin Peay Governors
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
22: Princeton Tigers
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Wofford Terriers

POD Knows
November 11th, 2019, 12:06 PM
Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/10/2019 12:03:06

Your vote is listed below.
() AGS poll rating

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: Weber State Wildcats (3)
4: Montana Grizzlies (5)
5: Northern Iowa Panthers (4)
6: Sac State Hornets (6)
7: Illinois State Redbirds (7)
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (9)
9: Furman Paladins (8)
10: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (13)
11: Dartmouth Big Green (11)
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (20)
13: Montana State Bobcats (10)
14: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils (14)
15: Florida A&M Rattlers (19)
16: Wofford Terriers (17)
17: Towson Tigers (23)
18: Austin Peay Governors (16)
19: Southern Illinois Salukis (24)
20: Villanova Wildcats (12)
21: Monmouth Hawks (18)
22: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (22)
23: Central Arkansas Bears (15)
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats (26)
25: The Citadel Bulldogs (28)

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: North Carolina A&T Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

I have 4 pretty big outliers from the AGS poll, UND 8 spots, Towson 6 spots, SIU 5 spots, and UCA 8 spots (I crushed these guys after the Saturday lose, I think they are on a downward spiral and wanted to get ahead of the curve but this should be good news for UCA fans because I always seem to be wrong on this stuff).

I am way higher on UND, they have looked pretty good as of late. They might have something going on. :pumpuke: Ah, there, I feel better.

TheKingpin28
November 11th, 2019, 12:09 PM
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Furman Paladins
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Dartmouth Big Green
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Florida A&M Rattlers
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Sam Houston State Bearkats
22: South Carolina State Bulldogs
23: Wofford Terriers
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

I'll be honest, I missed SELA and that one is on me. I'd have had them in the T20 and NCAT would have fallen out.

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Preferred Walk-On
November 11th, 2019, 12:25 PM
Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/10/2019 13:36:41

Your vote is listed below (previous week's rank in parentheses).

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: Weber State Wildcats (3)
4: Northern Iowa Panthers (5)
5: Sac State Hornets (6)
6: Montana Grizzlies (7)
7: Illinois State Redbirds (15)
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (4)
9: Furman Paladins (8)
10: Dartmouth Big Green (10)
11: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (12)
12: Austin Peay Governors (14)
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (17)
14: Montana State Bobcats (18)
15: Monmouth Hawks (11)
16: Florida A&M Rattlers (16)
17: Southern Illinois Salukis (20)
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (NR)
19: Central Arkansas Bears (9)
20: Sam Houston State Bearkats (22)
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks (21)
22: Eastern Washington Eagles (NR)
23: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils (24)
24: UC Davis Aggies (NR)
25: Nicholls State Colonels (25)

The most significant win: Illinois State Redbirds
The most significant loss: Central Arkansas Bears
Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dropped from poll: Princeton Tigers (13), North Carolina A&T Aggies (19), New Hampshire Wildcats (23)

kdinva
November 11th, 2019, 12:29 PM
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Furman Paladins
9: Sac State Hornets
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Kennesaw State Owls
18: Austin Peay Governors
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
21: Princeton Tigers
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Albany Great Danes

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: North Carolina A&T Aggies

I Bleed Purple
November 11th, 2019, 12:32 PM
I was told a thread a week or so ago that there was no way Montana would be ranked 5th...

But yes, I appreciate the congratulations.

kalm
November 11th, 2019, 12:34 PM
What’s holding SELA back in so many polls? The losses to UIW and HBU? HBU isn’t a terrible team. Sure the JSU win has lost luster but that and UCA were beat downs and UCA is still 6-10 spots ahead in many of the polls I’ve seen.

BisonTru
November 11th, 2019, 12:35 PM
Playoff Outlook



Rank
Team:
Total Points
Playoff Outlook


1
North Dakota State Bison
1950
MVFC Auto


2
James Madison Dukes
1863
CAA Auto


3
Weber State Wildcats
1795
Big Sky Auto


4
Northern Iowa Panthers
1645
AL 1


5
Montana Grizzlies
1624
AL 2


6
Sac State Hornets
1562
AL 3


7
Illinois State Redbirds
1462
AL 4


8
Furman Paladins
1361
Southern


9
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1345
AL 5


10
Montana State Bobcats
1182
AL 6


11
Dartmouth Big Green
1013
No playoffs


12
Villanova Wildcats
928
AL 7


13
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
898
OVC Auto


14
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
717
NEC Auto


15
Central Arkansas Bears
713
Southland Auto



16
Austin Peay Governors
630
AL 8


17
Wofford Terriers
596
AL 9


18
Monmouth Hawks
574
Big South Auto


19
Florida A&M Rattlers
504
No postseason


20
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
460
AL 10


21
Princeton Tigers
454
No playoffs


22
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
409
AL 11


23
Towson Tigers
357
AL 12


24
Southern Illinois Salukis
247
AL 13


25
Kennesaw State Owls
226
AL 14















ORV:




26
Sam Houston State Bearkats
196
FO 1


27
New Hampshire Wildcats
136
FO 2


28
The Citadel Bulldogs
99
FO 3


29
Nicholls State Colonels
86
FO 4


30
San Diego Toreros
75
Patroit Auto


31
North Carolina A&T Aggies
55
MEAC bowl bid


32
Yale Bulldogs
52
No playoffs


33
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
26
NO 1


34T
Albany Great Danes
23
NO 2


34T
Richmond Spiders
23
NO 3


36
UC Davis Aggies
21
NO 4


37
South Carolina State Bulldogs
20



38
Eastern Washington Eagles
12



39
Maine Black Bears
11
















AL - At Large





FO - First Out





NO - Next Out

Thumper 76
November 11th, 2019, 12:50 PM
SDSU too high.

dbackjon
November 11th, 2019, 12:54 PM
What’s holding SELA back in so many polls? The losses to UIW and HBU? HBU isn’t a terrible team. Sure the JSU win has lost luster but that and UCA were beat downs and UCA is still 6-10 spots ahead in many of the polls I’ve seen.


Agreed - having UCA so much higher than SELA is something I'd expect from the coaches poll, not AGS

RabidRabbit
November 11th, 2019, 12:55 PM
If AGS is best poll, either Montana or NDSU get hosed in 2nd round. Due to distance, Bobcats vs Jack's is likely to be a T day weekend game.

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Catbooster
November 11th, 2019, 01:11 PM
Agreed - having UCA so much higher than SELA is something I'd expect from the coaches poll, not AGS
Agreed. Head to head does not necessarily dictate that one team be over another, but a 34 point margin and a shutout....especially as we're near the end of the regular season, not early in the season.

Catbooster
November 11th, 2019, 01:13 PM
If AGS is best poll, either Montana or NDSU get hosed in 2nd round. Due to distance, Bobcats vs Jack's is likely to be a T day weekend game.

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It's still a flight between Bozeman and Brookings. Don't usually see two teams that can make good bids matched up in the first round.

Grizalltheway
November 11th, 2019, 01:14 PM
If AGS is best poll, either Montana or NDSU get hosed in 2nd round. Due to distance, Bobcats vs Jack's is likely to be a T day weekend game.

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Jacks can't win in Missoula, and I'd love nothing more than to beat the cats twice in one season. xthumbsupx

Professor Chaos
November 11th, 2019, 01:19 PM
What’s holding SELA back in so many polls? The losses to UIW and HBU? HBU isn’t a terrible team. Sure the JSU win has lost luster but that and UCA were beat downs and UCA is still 6-10 spots ahead in many of the polls I’ve seen.
For me it's because I'm giving little credit for that JSU win and other than UCA they've got a collection of pedestrian wins. UIW and HBU aren't terrible but they aren't good either which works to offset some of the impressiveness from their UCA win. Maybe I'm underrating them but I think they're about right.

MacThor
November 11th, 2019, 01:20 PM
Playoff Outlook



Rank
Team:
Total Points
Playoff Outlook


1
North Dakota State Bison
1950
MVFC Auto


2
James Madison Dukes
1863
CAA Auto


3
Weber State Wildcats
1795
Big Sky Auto


4
Northern Iowa Panthers
1645
AL 1


5
Montana Grizzlies
1624
AL 2


6
Sac State Hornets
1562
AL 3


7
Illinois State Redbirds
1462
AL 4


8
Furman Paladins
1361
Southern


9
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1345
AL 5


10
Montana State Bobcats
1182
AL 6


11
Dartmouth Big Green
1013
No playoffs


12
Villanova Wildcats
928
AL 7


13
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
898
OVC Auto


14
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
717
NEC Auto


15
Central Arkansas Bears
713
Southland Auto



16
Austin Peay Governors
630
AL 8


17
Wofford Terriers
596
AL 9


18
Monmouth Hawks
574
Big South Auto


19
Florida A&M Rattlers
504
No postseason


20
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
460
AL 10


21
Princeton Tigers
454
No playoffs


22
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
409
AL 11


23
Towson Tigers
357
AL 12


24
Southern Illinois Salukis
247
AL 13


25
Kennesaw State Owls
226
AL 14















ORV:




26
Sam Houston State Bearkats
196
FO 1


27
New Hampshire Wildcats
136
FO 2


28
The Citadel Bulldogs
99
FO 3


29
Nicholls State Colonels
86
FO 4


30
San Diego Toreros
75
Patroit Auto


31
North Carolina A&T Aggies
55
MEAC Auto


32
Yale Bulldogs
52
No playoffs


33
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
26
NO 1


34T
Albany Great Danes
23
NO 2


34T
Richmond Spiders
23
NO 3


36
UC Davis Aggies
21
NO 4


37
South Carolina State Bulldogs
20



38
Eastern Washington Eagles
12



39
Maine Black Bears
11
















AL - At Large





FO - First Out





NO - Next Out





Is the MEAC back in the playoffs with an auto-bid?

WileECoyote06
November 11th, 2019, 01:21 PM
I realize that ranking this year is difficult. But some of these results are as silly as the STATS and Coaches Poll results.

Professor Chaos
November 11th, 2019, 01:22 PM
If AGS is best poll, either Montana or NDSU get hosed in 2nd round. Due to distance, Bobcats vs Jack's is likely to be a T day weekend game.

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In the seeded Montana/unseeded Montana St scenario I'd hope the committee is a little sympathetic towards a potential 2nd round rematch for them since Weber St doesn't play Montana St in the regular season and is also within bus distance from Bozeman. If SDSU loses to UNI they could hose over UNI also since SDSU if bus distance from Cedar Falls as well. Either way SDSU would be headed for a 2nd round rematch on the road to teams they lost to at home in the regular season.

BisonTru
November 11th, 2019, 01:23 PM
Is the MEAC back in the playoffs with an auto-bid?

No, my mistake. Meant they were getting the MEAC auto bid to the bowl game.

clenz
November 11th, 2019, 01:23 PM
In the seeded Montana/unseeded Montana St scenario I'd hope the committee is a little sympathetic towards a potential 2nd round rematch for them since Weber St doesn't play Montana St in the regular season and is also within bus distance from Bozeman. If SDSU's loses to UNI they could hose over UNI also since SDSU if bus distance from Cedar Falls as well.
UNI is going to get ISUr or SDSU in round 2 no matter what.....great reward for whichever of those 3 gets a seed.

uofmman1122
November 11th, 2019, 01:24 PM
I was told a thread a week or so ago that there was no way Montana would be ranked 5th...

But yes, I appreciate the congratulations.
Well, I didn't foresee SDSU crapping the bed against ISUr, so...;)

Professor Chaos
November 11th, 2019, 01:25 PM
UNI is going to get ISUr or SDSU in round 2 no matter what.....great reward for whichever of those 3 gets a seed.
I think there's a very good possibility two of those teams are seeded. If SDSU beats UNI next week all 3 could be seeded. Especially in a scenario where Furman loses to Wofford... then there's hardly anyone left out there to take that 8 seed.

POD Knows
November 11th, 2019, 01:29 PM
I think there's a very good possibility two of those teams are seeded. If SDSU beats UNI next week all 3 could be seeded. Especially in a scenario where Furman loses to Wofford... then there's hardly anyone left out there to take that 8 seed.KSU :D

Reign of Terrier
November 11th, 2019, 01:32 PM
Looking at the sea of humanity between Wofford and a seed, I would not be surprised if Wofford stole the 8 with wins over Furman and a 7-4 Citadel. If the citadel beats UTC and enters the game in Charleston ranked, it could happen.

I'm not saying it's likely, just possible. Capping the season on an 8 game winning streak in the FCS including two ranked wins in the final two weeks may do that.

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ursus arctos horribilis
November 11th, 2019, 01:45 PM
Looking at the sea of humanity between Wofford and a seed, I would not be surprised if Wofford stole the 8 with wins over Furman and a 7-4 Citadel. If the citadel beats UTC and enters the game in Charleston ranked, it could happen.

I'm not saying it's likely, just possible. Capping the season on an 8 game winning streak in the FCS including two ranked wins in the final two weeks may do that.

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Win streaks do seem to have a bit of weight with the committee's over the years. Seems unlikely but still a possibility which I could not have really imagined a few weeks back.

X-Factor
November 11th, 2019, 02:01 PM
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Furman Paladins
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Sac State Hornets
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Dartmouth Big Green
11: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Florida A&M Rattlers
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Monmouth Hawks
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Towson Tigers
21: Sam Houston State Bearkats
22: Wofford Terriers
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: San Diego Toreros
25: Nicholls State Colonels


UNI did beat Illinois State pretty good. Maybe you could say injuries are catching up with UNI but the win was quite recent


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cidgrad89
November 11th, 2019, 02:03 PM
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Furman Paladins
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Sac State Hornets
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Dartmouth Big Green
11: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Florida A&M Rattlers
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Monmouth Hawks
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Towson Tigers
21: Sam Houston State Bearkats
22: Wofford Terriers
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: San Diego Toreros
25: Nicholls State Colonels



Wait a minute, you’ve got Furman #4 but Nicholls and Sam Houston ahead of The Citadel? That’s the problem ranking Furman #4. Gotta move The Citadel up if you do.

Daytripper
November 11th, 2019, 02:06 PM
Wait a minute, you’ve got Furman #4 but Nicholls and Sam Houston ahead of The Citadel? That’s the problem ranking Furman #4. Gotta move The Citadel up if you do.

I will give Citadel a closer look next week There are so many teams in that 18-35 range that have legitimate arguments for being ranked. It's not an exact science, for sure.

cidgrad89
November 11th, 2019, 02:11 PM
👍 Gotta win

PaladinFan
November 11th, 2019, 02:11 PM
I've been higher on them than most. I still don't consider their loss to Va. Tech legit. They got jobbed.

It'd have been nice to have had the chance to settle the game on the field, and not the review booth.

VT very well may play in the ACC title game.

kdinva
November 11th, 2019, 02:44 PM
....There are so many teams in that 18-35 range that have legitimate arguments for being ranked. .

one could say this every early november.....the only poll that should be questioned is what we all say on November 24....

Derby City Duke
November 11th, 2019, 02:47 PM
KSU :D

D@$% -- beat me to it. xdrunkyx

katss07
November 11th, 2019, 02:52 PM
Am I allowed to criticize the poll even though I’m not a voter?

Why is KSU above Sam? Not being a homer honestly. Didn’t Sac State like kill Montana? Who is voting for EWU?

nevadagriz
November 11th, 2019, 02:55 PM
Not happy to be in the 5 spot this week. Congrats Weber, good win. xlolx

How many times has the number 5 team lost? Thanks AGS nation couldn't have use 6th lol

Professor Chaos
November 11th, 2019, 02:57 PM
How many times has the number 5 team lost? Thanks AGS nation couldn't have use 6th lol
7 times. AGS #5 is 4-7 on the year now.

EDIT: And Weber St has already beaten two AGS #5s (UNI in week 5 and Sac St in week 10).

Derby City Duke
November 11th, 2019, 03:00 PM
7 times. AGS #5 is 4-7 on the year now.

That's how we get the Bison to lose. Find enough guys like the Bison 'fan' who left them out of his preseason Top 25 to vote them 5th! Why didn't I think of this way earlier this season!! xdrunkyx

Bisonator
November 11th, 2019, 03:34 PM
I've been higher on them than most. I still don't consider their loss to Va. Tech legit. They got jobbed.

Even so they have done nothing to be ranked that high. Good grief. Here's their resume:

Won 46-13 vs 4-6 Charleston Southern
Lost 42-48 at 6-3 Georgia State
Lost 17-24 at 6-3 Virginia Tech
Won 45-10 vs 4-6 Mercer
Won 17-10 vs 2-8 East Tennessee State
Won 58-14 at 4-6 Samford
Lost 10-27 vs 6-4 The Citadel
Won 28-7 at 3-7 Western Carolina
Won 35-20 at 5-5 Chattanooga
Won 60-21 vs 4-6 VMI

uofmman1122
November 11th, 2019, 03:49 PM
7 times. AGS #5 is 4-7 on the year now.
1-3 at home and 3-4 on the road.

Montana is the only previous #5 ranked team that's still in the top 10 to lose to a lower ranked team.

2 of those 3 home losses were by Maine and Towson.

The #5 team is 0-2 when playing a higher ranked team and 4-5 when playing a lower ranked team (yikes).

All of this to say: I'm not nervous. xcoolx lol

mvemjsunpx
November 11th, 2019, 04:28 PM
(previous week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. James Madison (2)
3. Weber St. (3)
4. Sacramento St. (5)
5. Dartmouth (6)
6. Northern Iowa (7)
7. Montana (9)
8. Illinois St. (12)
9. South Dakota St. (4)
10. Princeton (8)
11. Montana St. (11)
12. Southeast Missouri St. (14)
13. Monmouth (13)
14. Central Arkansas (10)
15. Southern Illinois (16)
16. Florida A&M (20)
17. Austin Peay (24)
18. CCSU (17)
19. Furman (23)
20. Yale (18)
21. North Dakota (NR)
22. Sam Houston St. (NR)
23. Southeastern Louisiana (NR)
24. North Carolina A&T (21)
25. Kennesaw St. (NR)

W - Southeastern Louisiana
L - South Dakota St.


Dropped - New Hampshire (15), Tennessee-Martin (19), Richmond (22), Stony Brook (25)

ElCid
November 11th, 2019, 04:31 PM
Am I allowed to criticize the poll even though I’m not a voter?

Why is KSU above Sam? Not being a homer honestly. Didn’t Sac State like kill Montana? Who is voting for EWU?

Good question. I realize there are good teams with bad records, but in the end, you have to get the Ws.

Professor Chaos
November 11th, 2019, 04:33 PM
(previous week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. James Madison (2)
3. Weber St. (3)
4. Sacramento St. (5)
5. Dartmouth (6)
6. Northern Iowa (7)
7. Montana (9)
8. Illinois St. (12)
9. South Dakota St. (4)
10. Princeton (8)
11. Montana St. (11)
12. Southeast Missouri St. (14)
13. Monmouth (13)
14. Central Arkansas (10)
15. Southern Illinois (16)
16. Florida A&M (20)
17. Austin Peay (24)
18. CCSU (17)
19. Furman (23)
20. Yale (18)
21. North Dakota (NR)
22. Sam Houston St. (NR)
23. Southeastern Louisiana (NR)
24. North Carolina A&T (21)
25. Kennesaw St. (NR)

W - Southeastern Louisiana
L - South Dakota St.


Dropped - New Hampshire (15), Tennessee-Martin (19), Richmond (22), Stony Brook (25)
Wow, one CAA team in your top 25. I mean... it's not completely crazy (the 2nd highest ranked CAA team is #23 in my ballot) but that's pretty crazy.

mvemjsunpx
November 11th, 2019, 04:44 PM
Wow, one CAA team in your top 25. I mean... it's not completely crazy (the 2nd highest ranked CAA team is #23 in my ballot) but that's pretty crazy.

I think people are looking at Villanova's 7-3 and putting them in because it looks better than the other 6-4 teams. However, Nova didn't play an FBS, their non-conference schedule was garbage (3 Patriot teams), and they've lost 3 of their last 4.

(I had UNH #29, Nova #30, Albany #31, and Towson #32, FWIW)

ElCid
November 11th, 2019, 04:58 PM
I think people are looking at Villanova's 7-3 and putting them in because it looks better than the other 6-4 teams. However, Nova didn't play an FBS, their non-conference schedule was garbage (3 Patriot teams), and they've lost 3 of their last 4.

(I had UNH #29, Nova #30, Albany #31, and Towson #32, FWIW)

Wow, you rank outside of the top 25. I thought about it, but it is too much work as it is. I just lump the #s 26-30/35 and track them for consideration the next week, but not rank them. That's dedication!

Go Lehigh TU owl
November 11th, 2019, 05:00 PM
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Dartmouth Big Green
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Furman Paladins
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Austin Peay Governors
16: Florida A&M Rattlers
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: San Diego Toreros
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Monmouth Hawks
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Yale Bulldogs
24: Towson Tigers
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: Central Arkansas Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

Derby City Duke
November 11th, 2019, 05:12 PM
Some days it's like playing pick-up sticks...

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/10/2019 20:56:56

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Furman Paladins
9: Dartmouth Big Green
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Austin Peay Governors
15: Florida A&M Rattlers
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Wofford Terriers
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

smilo
November 11th, 2019, 05:21 PM
Oh my gosh, I don't know how but I forgot to submit this week after making my rankings. Sorry Central Arkansas fans. I am the reason you are one spot lower than you should be.

RootinFerDukes
November 11th, 2019, 07:15 PM
The CAA current second place team in the standings with two weeks to go isn’t even ranked. Interesting...

Preferred Walk-On
November 11th, 2019, 07:38 PM
The CAA current second place team in the standings with two weeks to go isn’t even ranked. Interesting...

The 2nd place team in the CAA this year changes with the wind, doesn't it?

KPSUL
November 11th, 2019, 07:43 PM
The CAA current second place team in the standings with two weeks to go isn’t even ranked. Interesting...

I went incognito before voting them #24!

Hello KPSUL,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/10/2019 18:36:35

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Furman Paladins
8: Sac State Hornets
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Dartmouth Big Green
12: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Florida A&M Rattlers
16: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
17: Towson Tigers
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

KPSUL

The Most Significant Win: Dartmouth Big Green
The Most Significant Loss: Central Arkansas Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

KPSUL
November 11th, 2019, 07:45 PM
And this is how I left Bridgeforth Stadium!


31206

Professor Chaos
November 11th, 2019, 07:46 PM
Some days it's like playing pick-up sticks...

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/10/2019 20:56:56

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Furman Paladins
9: Dartmouth Big Green
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Austin Peay Governors
15: Florida A&M Rattlers
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Wofford Terriers
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association


You might want to take a look at Southern Illinois. Their only FCS losses are to your #7, #10, and #11 teams and they've beat your #21 team pretty handily along with an FBS win (albeit against an awful FBS team in UMass).

Derby City Duke
November 11th, 2019, 08:01 PM
You might want to take a look at Southern Illinois. Their only FCS losses are to your #7, #10, and #11 teams and they've beat your #21 team pretty handily along with an FBS win (albeit against an awful FBS team in UMass).

I will; all those losses were either 2 or 3-score games and their 14-point win against UT-M was a tie game at half. I know they get WIU this week then finish with the Bison.

I'll admit to probably undervaluing the UMass win, but deep down I think about 30-35 FCS teams would beat the Minutemen.

mvemjsunpx
November 11th, 2019, 08:14 PM
Wow, you rank outside of the top 25. I thought about it, but it is too much work as it is. I just lump the #s 26-30/35 and track them for consideration the next week, but not rank them. That's dedication!

It's more that I pick teams that are worthy of "consideration" and fit them together conference-by-conference (i.e., I rank all the worthy Big Sky teams, then I rank all the worthy Southland teams and fit them with the Big Sky teams, etc.). That almost invariably means there are more than 25 teams on the list (I had 35 this week).

UAalum72
November 11th, 2019, 08:23 PM
The CAA current second place team in the standings with two weeks to go isn’t even ranked. Interesting...
By that you mean Albany, right?

James Madison 6-0; 9-1
Albany 4-2; 6-4
New Hampshire 4-2; 5-4
Richmond 4-2; 5-5

KPSUL
November 11th, 2019, 09:29 PM
By that you mean Albany, right?

James Madison 6-0; 9-1
Albany 4-2; 6-4
New Hampshire 4-2; 5-4
Richmond 4-2; 5-5

Three way tie, Albany, UNH and Richmond. Overall W-L is no factor in the conference standings. Albany is alphabetically 1st.

dbackjon
November 11th, 2019, 09:53 PM
Two voters with Dartmouth in top 5?

dewey
November 11th, 2019, 09:56 PM
Here is my top 25...comment away.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/10/2019 21:49:47

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Furman Paladins
10: Dartmouth Big Green
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Sam Houston State Bearkats
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Towson Tigers
25: Wofford Terriers

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

caribbeanhen
November 12th, 2019, 03:45 AM
Dewey, Weber State gets a very fortunate win against North Dakota and JMU destroys the committees number 10.... I'm just not seeing a strong argument for Weber being over JMU right now... JMU is the more dynamic team and really the only team that has a punchers chance to take out the Bison

TennBison
November 12th, 2019, 06:16 AM
Dewey, Weber State gets a very fortunate win against North Dakota and JMU destroys the committees number 10.... I'm just not seeing a strong argument for Weber being over JMU right now... JMU is the more dynamic team and really the only team that has a punchers chance to take out the Bison
That is why it is his poll and not yours.

Bisonator
November 12th, 2019, 06:31 AM
Hello Bisonator,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/10/2019 18:13:34

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Furman Paladins
12: Austin Peay Governors
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: South Carolina State Bulldogs
21: Wofford Terriers
22: San Diego Toreros
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats

Professor Chaos
November 12th, 2019, 06:35 AM
Does someone want to pitch Villanova to me? Seeing them in the top 12 of a whole lot of ballots and I just don't get it. Are people just not looking past their W/L record? I just feel like I'm missing something here.

WileECoyote06
November 12th, 2019, 06:42 AM
I will; all those losses were either 2 or 3-score games and their 14-point win against UT-M was a tie game at half. I know they get WIU this week then finish with the Bison.

I'll admit to probably undervaluing the UMass win, but deep down I think about 30-35 FCS teams would beat the Minutemen.

Noble Lord Massey commands you to rank SIU, despite their double digit losses to FCS schools.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/b0/b0c604b88bdc11d682f75043f759df51046fa64aa30053d2c0 4519d00225cb2e.jpg

ElCid
November 12th, 2019, 06:42 AM
Here is my top 25...comment away.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/10/2019 21:49:47

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Furman Paladins
10: Dartmouth Big Green
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Sam Houston State Bearkats
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: South Carolina State Bulldogs
24: Towson Tigers
25: Wofford Terriers

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

I know that there has been a lot of comment on Wofford made in a bunch of threads, but I think they are seriously better than #25. They are not the team they were in week 1 and 2. And this brings up a philosophical approach. Do you just vote based only on "all" results or vote based on the trend and the here and now as well. It's obviously somewhere in between, but their consistency since early Sept has been on a serious upward trajectory. It will be sorted after this weekend I am sure. I've been high on ND as well, but they are a seriously bad road team "usually" so they are hard to place. I have toyed with the whole JMU and Weber placement as well. Weber has that nice OOC UNI win, but JMU has only one close game, won in OT, but they have thumped pretty much everyone else. It's a tough call, but I still have to go with JMU slightly ahead. That may change after we see how Weber does at Montana. It's very arguable though.xthumbsupx

Professor Chaos
November 12th, 2019, 06:45 AM
Noble Lord Massey commands you to rank SIU, despite their double digit losses to FCS schools.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/b0/b0c604b88bdc11d682f75043f759df51046fa64aa30053d2c0 4519d00225cb2e.jpg
Or you could just look at the FCS schools they've lost to and where they're ranked at in this poll. Double digit losses to teams like SDSU, Illinois St, and SEMO aren't that out of the norm for teams in the 20-25 range of the poll. You're the first one to bring up Massey in this conversation.


I know that there has been a lot of comment on Wofford made in a bunch of threads, but I think they are seriously better than #25. They are not the team they were in week 1 and 2. And this brings up a philosophical approach. Do you just vote based only on "all" results or vote based on the trend and the here and now as well. It's obviously somewhere in between, but their consistency since early Sept has been on a serious upward trajectory. It will be sorted after this weekend I am sure. I've been high on ND as well, but they are a seriously bad road team "usually" so they are hard to place. I have toyed with the whole JMU and Weber placement as well. Weber has that nice OOC UNI win, but JMU has only one close game, won in OT, but they have thumped pretty much everyone else. It's a tough call, but I still have to go with JMU slightly ahead. That may change after we see how Weber does at Montana. It's very arguable though.xthumbsupx
I vote on all results. I also don't buy the trend approach when you get a run of soft games in your schedule like Wofford has. If Wofford beats Furman I'll give them some retroactive credit for their win streak. Until that happens I don't buy that it's more than fool's gold.

ElCid
November 12th, 2019, 06:49 AM
Does someone want to pitch Villanova to me? Seeing them in the top 12 of a whole lot of ballots and I just don't get it. Are people just not looking past their W/L record? I just feel like I'm missing something here.

Eh, they have some nice wins even if they had an easy time in OOC. Maine, W&M, Richmond, Towson, are all top 40 Massey and decent. The NH loss and Stony Brook meltdown don't look too good, and the expected JMU loss. I had them at 14. Above 10 or so, it has been a crazy year.

Bisonator
November 12th, 2019, 06:49 AM
Does someone want to pitch Villanova to me? Seeing them in the top 12 of a whole lot of ballots and I just don't get it. Are people just not looking past their W/L record? I just feel like I'm missing something here.
Same as Furman and a few others. Who else should be ahead of them? I don't include Ivy's so there's a couple extra spots in my top 25.

Professor Chaos
November 12th, 2019, 07:03 AM
Eh, they have some nice wins even if they had an easy time in OOC. Maine, W&M, Richmond, Towson, are all top 40 Massey and decent. The NH loss and Stony Brook meltdown don't look too good, and the expected JMU loss. I had them at 14. Above 10 or so, it has been a crazy year.
Fair enough. None of those wins you mentioned are bad per se but none of them are that good either. I'm lower on Towson than the consensus so maybe that's why I see it that way. Nova is gonna pick up another cupcake win this week to get them to 8-3 and I just worry they're going to be climbing into the top 10 after that with a shiny W/L record that has very little substance to it. Even if they beat Delaware in their finale that Delaware team will be 5-7 at best in that scenario. You'd think a 9-3 CAA team would be seed worthy but in Nova's case I don't think they should be anywhere near the seeds even at 9-3.


Same as Furman and a few others. Who else should be ahead of them? I don't include Ivy's so there's a couple extra spots in my top 25.
In your ballot I'd say the 3 I'd feel strongest about that should be ahead of Villanova would be Monmouth (roughly equal quality wins, better losses), APSU (better quality wins, probably worse bad losses), and SEMO (roughly equal quality wins and better losses). Furman is a fair equivalent. I had them at #10 but they at least have better losses to prop them up compared to Nova.

Bisonator
November 12th, 2019, 07:14 AM
Fair enough. None of those wins you mentioned are bad per se but none of them are that good either. I'm lower on Towson than the consensus so maybe that's why I see it that way. Nova is gonna pick up another cupcake win this week to get them to 8-3 and I just worry they're going to be climbing into the top 10 after that with a shiny W/L record that has very little substance to it. Even if they beat Delaware in their finale that Delaware team will be 5-7 at best in that scenario. You'd think a 9-3 CAA team would be seed worthy but in Nova's case I don't think they should be anywhere near the seeds even at 9-3.


In your ballot I'd say the 3 I'd feel strongest about that should be ahead of Villanova would be Monmouth (roughly equal quality wins, better losses), APSU (better quality wins, probably worse bad losses), and SEMO (roughly equal quality wins and better losses). Furman is a fair equivalent. I had them at #10 but they at least have better losses to prop them up compared to Nova.
I think your splitting hairs. Again they can be arranged a multitude of ways.

Daytripper
November 12th, 2019, 07:21 AM
I think your splitting hairs. Again they can be arranged a multitude of ways.

It seems to me this is the basis of this entire forum. xlolx

POD Knows
November 12th, 2019, 07:22 AM
Fair enough. None of those wins you mentioned are bad per se but none of them are that good either. I'm lower on Towson than the consensus so maybe that's why I see it that way. Nova is gonna pick up another cupcake win this week to get them to 8-3 and I just worry they're going to be climbing into the top 10 after that with a shiny W/L record that has very little substance to it. Even if they beat Delaware in their finale that Delaware team will be 5-7 at best in that scenario. You'd think a 9-3 CAA team would be seed worthy but in Nova's case I don't think they should be anywhere near the seeds even at 9-3.


In your ballot I'd say the 3 I'd feel strongest about that should be ahead of Villanova would be Monmouth (roughly equal quality wins, better losses), APSU (better quality wins, probably worse bad losses), and SEMO (roughly equal quality wins and better losses). Furman is a fair equivalent. I had them at #10 but they at least have better losses to prop them up compared to Nova.
Whose won and loss record has less substance than SDSU. Not many.

Professor Chaos
November 12th, 2019, 07:26 AM
I think your splitting hairs. Again they can be arranged a multitude of ways.
Probably, it just seems like Villanova is getting the benefit of the doubt in those comparisons a lot more often than not vs teams with comparable resumes.


Whose won and loss record has less substance than SDSU. Not many.
I'd say SDSU has roughly equal quality wins compared to Nova but the quality of losses are not even in the same galaxy. You can scoff at using the quality of a teams losses (aka moral victories) if you want but they do matter to me.

cx500d
November 12th, 2019, 07:36 AM
Whose won and loss record has less substance than SDSU. Not many.
They had a quality loss against the #4 fbs team in the nation!

Professor Chaos
November 12th, 2019, 07:38 AM
They had a quality loss against the #4 fbs team in the nation!
#ButtBama (circa 2011)

#ButtAuburn (circa 2015)

#NeverForget

Bisonator
November 12th, 2019, 07:43 AM
Probably, it just seems like Villanova is getting the benefit of the doubt in those comparisons a lot more often than not vs teams with comparable resumes.
Part of that is probably name recognition and conference value. I hold the CAA in higher regard then the Big South or Southland even if down a bit this year. Not right or wrong just the way it is until those conferences prove themselves more.

POD Knows
November 12th, 2019, 07:44 AM
Probably, it just seems like Villanova is getting the benefit of the doubt in those comparisons a lot more often than not vs teams with comparable resumes.


I'd say SDSU has roughly equal quality wins compared to Nova but the quality of losses are not even in the same galaxy. You can scoff at using the quality of a teams losses (aka moral victories) if you want but they do matter to me.Their quality FCS losses were at home, that makes those losses less "quality" in my opinion. The FCS OOC schedule was dog**** wrapped with a dog**** bow.

I do take into account for good showings in a loss, I moved UND up a couple spots for the Weber game but their good showing was on the road.

Houndawg
November 12th, 2019, 10:23 AM
I will; all those losses were either 2 or 3-score games and their 14-point win against UT-M was a tie game at half. I know they get WIU this week then finish with the Bison.

I'll admit to probably undervaluing the UMass win, but deep down I think about 30-35 FCS teams would beat the Minutemen.

Their back to back losses vs SDSU and ISU were the backup QBs first two starts after injury to the No.1 are part of the reason for the low output in those games, and they were ahead of SDSU at the half on the road,.

Houndawg
November 12th, 2019, 10:32 AM
Noble Lord Massey commands you to rank SIU, despite their double digit losses to FCS schools.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/b0/b0c604b88bdc11d682f75043f759df51046fa64aa30053d2c0 4519d00225cb2e.jpg

Does somebody need a hug?

WileECoyote06
November 12th, 2019, 11:19 AM
gosh yall aren't in a joking mood today.

Go ahead and "ride" for SIU. I respect it. I'll do the same for SC State.

dewey
November 12th, 2019, 02:51 PM
Dewey, Weber State gets a very fortunate win against North Dakota and JMU destroys the committees number 10.... I'm just not seeing a strong argument for Weber being over JMU right now... JMU is the more dynamic team and really the only team that has a punchers chance to take out the Bison

My thoughts on having Weber State higher is WSU have quality wins over top 10 Sacramento State, top 10 UNI and top 20 win over North Dakota....

James Madison have quality wins over top 25 Villanova, top 25 Stony Brook, top 25 Towson and top 25 New Hampshire.

I just think WSU has better high end wins.

Dewey

ursus arctos horribilis
November 12th, 2019, 04:13 PM
My thoughts on having Weber State higher is WSU have quality wins over top 10 Sacramento State, top 10 UNI and top 20 win over North Dakota....

James Madison have quality wins over top 25 Villanova, top 25 Stony Brook, top 25 Towson and top 25 New Hampshire.

I just think WSU has better high end wins.

Dewey


AND, it is a legit argument.

JMU could still be the better team but no way to know right now.

NDSU1980
November 12th, 2019, 09:18 PM
I might as well throw mine in too.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Furman Paladins
11: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
12: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Dartmouth Big Green
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Florida A&M Rattlers
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Towson Tigers
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: San Diego Toreros
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

NDSU1980

The Most Significant Win: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

caribbeanhen
November 13th, 2019, 04:34 PM
Hello Bisonator,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/10/2019 18:13:34

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Furman Paladins
12: Austin Peay Governors
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: South Carolina State Bulldogs
21: Wofford Terriers
22: San Diego Toreros
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Southern Illinois Salukis
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats

Biasonator...... No Dartmouth huh.

Houndawg
November 13th, 2019, 04:44 PM
Biasonator...... No Dartmouth huh.

..and SIU whupped up on Tenn.-Martin

cx500d
November 13th, 2019, 08:55 PM
Biasonator...... No Dartmouth huh.
What for? Are they going to play anybody in this list?

Bisonator
November 13th, 2019, 08:57 PM
Biasonator...... No Dartmouth huh.
Who? :D


..and SIU whupped up on Tenn.-Martin
Be thankful you're in there at all.xthumbsupx

caribbeanhen
November 14th, 2019, 04:04 AM
What for? Are they going to play anybody in this list?

No because he left Princeton and Yale out as well

Houndawg
November 14th, 2019, 05:30 AM
Who? :D


Be thankful you're in there at all.xthumbsupx

Its been a while!