FCS STATS POLL- WEEK 9, 2019

[MUHAWKS]

STATS FCS Poll


Rankings as of 10/28/2019


Rank
School
Votes
Prev


1
North Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0309) (8-0)
3874 (154)
1


2
James Madison (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0196) (8-1)
3711 (1)
2


3
Weber State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0119) (6-2)
3458
4


4
South Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0312) (6-2)
3381
3


5
Kennesaw State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2610) (7-1)
3117
6


6
Sacramento State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0110) (6-2)
3110
7


7
Illinois State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0121) (6-2)
2869
8


8
Montana (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0116) (6-2)
2689
10


9
UNI (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0123) (5-3)
2488
11


10
Central Arkansas (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0268) (6-2)
2425
12


11
Villanova (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0199) (6-2)
2301
5


12
Princeton (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0133) (6-0)
1965
13


13
Furman (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0174) (5-3)
1930
14


14
Montana State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0117) (5-3)
1579
9


15
Dartmouth (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0130) (6-0)
1522
17


16
North Carolina A&T (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0148) (5-2)
1345
18


17
Florida A&M (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0145) (7-1)
1174
20


18
Southeast Missouri State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0155) (5-3)
932
24


19
Central Connecticut State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0209) (7-1)
917
23


20
Stony Brook (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0629) (5-3)
823
NR


21
Towson (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0221) (4-4)
686
16


22
Jacksonville State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0247) (6-3)
568
25


23
Wofford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0267) (5-2)
557
NR


24
North Dakota (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0308) (5-3)
539
NR


25
Nicholls (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0181) (4-4)
508
15


Others: Sam Houston State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0184) (303) , Austin Peay (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0150) (212) , Alcorn State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0188) (208) , UC Davis (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0263) (131) , New Hampshire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0205) (128) , Albany (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0546) (125) , Citadel (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0172) (108) , Monmouth (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0216) (107) , Delaware (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0195) (96) , Elon (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0350) (94) , UT Martin (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0156) (77) , Youngstown State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0225) (70) , Southeastern Louisiana (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2234) (57) , Yale (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0134) (49) , Southern Illinois (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0124) (33) , Richmond (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0198) (31) , Northern Arizona (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0118) (21) , South Carolina State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0149) (21) , Campbell (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2357) (15) , UIW (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2539) (6) , Eastern Kentucky (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0151) (5) , Portland State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0257) (5) , Abilene Christian (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0276) (3) , McNeese (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0180) (2)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

MU, these are the Week 9 polls. I changed your other one but you did it a 2nd time here so wanted to let you know.

We are going off the results of week 9 so this is what they represent.

[KPSUL]

this poll is suffering from the Flacco effect.

[MR. CHICKEN]

this poll is suffering from the Flacco effect.

....YOUSE LOST TA YOU-DEE.....AN' YER FUTURE....TISN'T.......VERAH BRIGHT......WHIFF......'NOVA/JMU....TOWSON AIN'T HOLDIN' DUH 'CATS BACK.......BRAWK!

[grizband]

It's been mentioned ad naseum, but Kennesaw State being ranked over Sacramento State, is simply a result of voters basing too much off their pre-season polls. Sacramento State has a much more impressive resume through this week of the season.

[KPSUL]

....YOUSE LOST TA YOU-DEE.....AN' YER FUTURE....TISN'T.......VERAH BRIGHT......WHIFF......'NOVA/JMU....TOWSON AIN'T HOLDIN' DUH 'CATS BACK.......BRAWK!

UNH could be 0-4 in the conference and I'd still make that post.

[dewey]

It's been mentioned ad naseum, but Kennesaw State being ranked over Sacramento State, is simply a result of voters basing too much off their pre-season polls. Sacramento State has a much more impressive resume through this week of the season.

^^^^^ I 100% agree with this.

Dewey

[FU_Paladin08]

It's been mentioned ad naseum, but Kennesaw State being ranked over Sacramento State, is simply a result of voters basing too much off their pre-season polls. Sacramento State has a much more impressive resume through this week of the season.

I know I’ve seen it mentioned before, but it seems there should be a preseason poll to satisfy everyone then no poll updates for 3 or 4 weeks. Throw out the preseason polls and re-rank based on what teams have done on the field. That should factor in SOS and W/L record. That would be a better starting point instead of a preseason guess by pollsters.

[Professor Chaos]

I know I’ve seen it mentioned before, but it seems there should be a preseason poll to satisfy everyone then no poll updates for 3 or 4 weeks. Throw out the preseason polls and re-rank based on what teams have done on the field. That should factor in SOS and W/L record. That would be a better starting point instead of a preseason guess by pollsters.
I think you'd just end up with a wackier poll in weeks 3 or 4 than you would have if you had been voting the whole time.

I don't think you'd eliminate the dumb stuff that the STATS and Coaches polls do with team like Kennesaw St in that scenario anyway. Voters would say "Well, Kennesaw was a top 5 team to the end the year last year... their only loss so far this year is OT to an FBS team so I think I'll still put them in the top 5."

Bad polls are bad polls and bad voters are bad voters no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig. The only way to improve them is to have more dialog about their rankings with people who see things differently than that particular voter does. I don't think very many STATS voters do that and I don't know if any Coaches Poll voters do that and their product suffers because of it IMO. More dialog = better polls and the more polls released = more dialog... at least with polls like AGS poll so that's why I think the AGS Poll in week 9 is better because of the discussion spurred by all the previous weeks the poll was released.

[Redbird 4th & short]

It's been mentioned ad naseum, but Kennesaw State being ranked over Sacramento State, is simply a result of voters basing too much off their pre-season polls. Sacramento State has a much more impressive resume through this week of the season.
This for sure !!

Also, my ISUr is not currently a top 8 seed .. inarguably, UNI, Montana, and Villanova all have better resumes. Arguably a couple others could make a case to be higher than us ... but so could ISUr. I currently believe we are probably a top 12 team +/- 2 slots. On the other hand, I am pretty sure we would beat KSU this year.

But we'll find more out about ISUr (and UNI) this week .. we host UNI .. expecting a real scrum with 2 tough teams with strong defenses who struggle for consistency on offense. Glad we're at home for this game ni particular this year. This game may be the one which determines if we're a top 8 seed or not. If we win, I'll start believing this poll.

[Professor Chaos]

This for sure !!

Also, my ISUr is not currently a top 8 seed .. inarguably, UNI, Montana, and Villanova all have better resumes. Arguably a couple others could make a case to be higher than us ... but so could ISUr. I currently believe we are probably a top 12 team +/- 2 slots. On the other hand, I am pretty sure we would beat KSU this year.

But we'll find more out about ISUr (and UNI) this week .. we host UNI .. expecting a real scrum with 2 tough teams with strong defenses who struggle for consistency on offense. Glad we're at home for this game ni particular this year. This game may be the one which determines if we're a top 8 seed or not. If we win, I'll start believing this poll.
I could make a real good argument for Illinois St over Villanova right now.

[F'N Hawks]

I could make a real good argument for Illinois St over Villanova right now.

Seems like they both lack a good, solid win at this point. ISU's best win is over 4-4 SIU. Nova's best win is over 4-4 Towson.

[Lorne_Malvo]

So if Sac beats the brakes off Weber, will Weber drop out of the top 10?
One could make that argument.

[MR. CHICKEN]

So if Sac beats the brakes off Weber, will Weber drop out of the top 10?
One could make that argument.


........SAC......WAFFLED DUH GRIZZWALD'S BAH 27.......AH MADE DAT ARGUEMENT.....BUT POLLSTERS DISREGUARDED......SO WHAT'S GOOD FO' MONTE.......SHOOD BE GOOD FO' DWEEBER STATE.....AWK!

[Lorne_Malvo]

........SAC......WAFFLED DUH GRIZZWALD'S BAH 27.......AH MADE DAT ARGUEMENT.....BUT POLLSTERS DISREGUARDED......SO WHAT'S GOOD FO' MONTE.......SHOOD BE GOOD FO' DWEEBER STATE.....AWK!

Eloquently stated. I 100% agree.

[caribbeanhen]

This for sure !!

Also, my ISUr is not currently a top 8 seed .. inarguably, UNI, Montana, and Villanova all have better resumes. Arguably a couple others could make a case to be higher than us ... but so could ISUr. I currently believe we are probably a top 12 team +/- 2 slots. On the other hand, I am pretty sure we would beat KSU this year.

But we'll find more out about ISUr (and UNI) this week .. we host UNI .. expecting a real scrum with 2 tough teams with strong defenses who struggle for consistency on offense. Glad we're at home for this game ni particular this year. This game may be the one which determines if we're a top 8 seed or not. If we win, I'll start believing this poll.

saw some of your game in the rainstorm vs Larry Bird State

impressions
really strong Defense
QB not the greatest but it was not a day for passing
#25 rb Robinson is a stud, ride him over N Iowa late when they are tired on D

[Professor Chaos]

Seems like they both lack a good, solid win at this point. ISU's best win is over 4-4 SIU. Nova's best win is over 4-4 Towson.
Agreed quality wins are pretty much a wash as virtually non-existent for both but Villanova has that extra FCS loss and the same record with a weaker schedule (according to Massey).

[Redbird 4th & short]

saw some of your game in the rainstorm vs Larry Bird State

impressions
really strong Defense
QB not the greatest but it was not a day for passing
#25 rb Robinson is a stud, ride him over N Iowa late when they are tired on D
I do feel like we'er inching our way upwards .. slowly and surely. And UNI seems to be slipping a bit, if anything, after strong start ... but both trends are nearly imperceptible to outsiders ... and then there is the anygivenstaurday aspect. I like our chances, but thinking 55/45 chance of win hosting UNI .. mainly because were at home and they will not come in respecting our pass game ... I just hope were ready to throw ... our QB Davis threw fro 425 yards against NAU because they stacked the box and Spack must have felt we needed to throw because they stacked the box and we to keep up with Case Cookus throwing. Against UNI, I hope Spack realizes, we will need to pass some to take pressure off Robinson .. UNI is built for scrum.

[Grizalltheway]

........SAC......WAFFLED DUH GRIZZWALD'S BAH 27.......AH MADE DAT ARGUEMENT.....BUT POLLSTERS DISREGUARDED......SO WHAT'S GOOD FO' MONTE.......SHOOD BE GOOD FO' DWEEBER STATE.....AWK!
You really don't think teams deserve a mulligan? That remains the only FCS game the Grizzwalds haven't won by at least 14 points.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You really don't think teams deserve a mulligan? That remains the only FCS game the Grizzwalds haven't won by at least 14 points.


On top of that I don't remember him naming the teams that should be above UM and I sure can't think of any that would suddenly rise up and look so good that Weber would not still be considered one of the better bets for not slipping much either.

If you have the candidates please let me know who they are Chicken and I'll be happy to concede to your griping about it.xthumbsupx

[MR. CHICKEN]

On top of that I don't remember him naming the teams that should be above UM and I sure can't think of any that would suddenly rise up and look so good that Weber would not still be considered one of the better bets for not slipping much either.

If you have the candidates please let me know who they are Chicken and I'll be happy to concede to your griping about it.xthumbsupx

.......#10 SAC STATE....WENT ALL DAVEY CROCKETT....ON #5 BEARS.........MONTE WASN'T DROPPED BAH #1-2-3.....BUT #10....BAH 4 TD'S.......SLIPPIN' TWO SPOTS.....NOT 'NUFF PUNISHMENT.......ANYONE.....IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.....WHOM WON...OR BYED....WOODAH SUFFICED........AH FLIPPED 'EM....IN MAH POLL DAT WEEK....DAT SIMPLE..........BRAWK!

.....AH PLACED # 6 VILLANOVA'S BYE.....#7 KENNESAW ST....#8 NORFFERN IOWA.....WHOM BOTH WON.....AN' #9 MONTANA ST's.....BYE......'HEAD UH 'EM......AWK!

.........ORIGINAL #7 FURMAN....WAS BAGGED BAH CITADEL.........#8 NICHOLLS.....WAS SHUT OUT BAH KEELER'S SAMMY SQWAD.....BAWK!

..........AH'VE BEEN 'ROUND DUH BLOCK...HERE.....GOT GOOD IDEAR WHAT'S FAIR........AN' DROPPIN' GRIZZWALDS 5 SPOTS TA #10....WAS FAIR+.......LOSIN' BAH UH SCORE OR SO...USUALLAH RESERVED FO' TWO SPACES.........DOODLE-DOO!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

.......#10 SAC STATE....WENT ALL DAVEY CROCKETT....ON #5 BEARS.........MONTE WASN'T DROPPED BAH #1-2-3.....BUT #10....BAH 4 TD'S.......SLIPPIN' TWO SPOTS.....NOT 'NUFF PUNISHMENT.......ANYONE.....IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.....WHOM WON...OR BYED....WOODAH SUFFICED........AH FLIPPED 'EM....IN MAH POLL DAT WEEK....DAT SIMPLE..........BRAWK!yeah well some people aren't really looking for punishment they're looking to write the teams based on what they actually think so maybe that's the disparity.

I have to go look at your ballot but are the kids still being punished are you not rewarding them and moving them back above the teams that you put them below as your punishment.

I'd have to go back and look but after that game the Griz still had as much or more of a resume the mateen's below them.

But your punishment theory of poll voting seems fairly brilliant since you apparently had been under ranking Sac State in the first place... As had most of the voters. But that group including KSU, Villanova, northern Iowa, and Illinois state which I assume are the teams you are talking about are all good teams but if a voter is looking at the resume they might be able to say hey I don't see any really big wins for some of those teams.that might outweigh a little bit of the punishment theory put forward here by you.

So which teams was it that had the better resume at that point?

Punishment is just another word for slot voting right? As you said it does make things really easy or in your word simple.

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[MR. CHICKEN]

yeah well some people aren't really looking for punishment they're looking to write the teams based on what they actually think so maybe that's the disparity.

I have to go look at your ballot but are the kids still being punished are you not rewarding them and moving them back above the teams that you put them below as your punishment.

I'd have to go back and look but after that game the Griz still had as much or more of a resume the mateen's below them.

But your punishment theory of poll voting seems fairly brilliant since you apparently had been under ranking Sac State in the first place... As had most of the voters. But that group including KSU, Villanova, northern Iowa, and Illinois state which I assume are the teams you are talking about are all good teams but if a voter is looking at the resume they might be able to say hey I don't see any really big wins for some of those teams.that might outweigh a little bit of the punishment theory put forward here by you.

So which teams was it that had the better resume at that point?

Punishment is just another word for slot voting right? As you said it does make things really easy or in your word simple.

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......CONSIDERIN' BIG WINS.....WE GOTTA CONSIDER BIG LOSSES.........HEY IT'S YER TEAM.....YER UH TAD TOUCHY.....AH'LL AGREE TA DISAGREE.......AWQ!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

......CONSIDERIN' BIG WINS.....WE GOTTA CONSIDER BIG LOSSES.........HEY IT'S YER TEAM.....YER UH TAD TOUCHY.....AH'LL AGREE TA DISAGREE.......AWQ!

Yes, we're already doing that and even though it's to a T10 or T5 team I guess that is a bad loss now...admittedly the points is large but once a train rolls and you ain't on it you get run over sometimes...but it is still one loss to a very highly ranked team. you are the one that keeps going on about it and that the punishment just wasn't enough for your taste so me finally saying something back to you makes me the touchy one huh? Good call, you nailed it down there.

I guess you will just concede the point about who else was there that should have stepped up considering their resume to that point then. We were a beneficiary of the fact that we are the bottom of the top 10 was iffy and after that it seems a bit weaker. Not great for FCS overall but in that particular week we got a benefit after playing a crap game to a damn good team.

[caribbeanhen]

Back in the day Growing up, a whippin was surely considered a form of punishment

[MR. CHICKEN]

.....OKAY OKAY.........MAYBEAH OPENED UP UH CAN O' WORMS......FOUND DUH LID........AN' MAH LAST WORDS ON DUH MATTER.........CARRIB....HAS MAH BACK AN' GREATLY 'PRECIATED.......DON'T WANT HIM TA HANG OUT DERE ALONE...FO' ME.....AH WAS WILLIN' TA CALL IT UH DRAW LAST NIGHT.......LATE WHIFF ONE EYE.....ON BASEBALL.........AH COME ACROSS AS UH CLOWN....BUT 'TWEEN DUH LINES ARE TRUTHS....SOME GET IT.....LOTS DON'T.....NOT MANY PUT AS MUCH WORK INTA SELECTIONS......AS YOU YERSELF...SAID......WHEN YA HAD TA CORRECT MAH POLL....FO' DUH FIRST TIME EVERAH........CONSEQUENTLY O' NOT......PRIOR TA DAT SUNDAYS POLL......AH HAD TA PUT MAH 15 YR OL' CAT 'NOVA (SERIOUS HIS NAME WAS 'NOVA)....DOWN....AS HE LAY IN MAH LAP...ON OCT 2nd..........WHIFF KIDNEY FAILURE......VET SAID HE WAS MAYBEAH DAY AWAY FROM GOIN' INTA CONVULSIONS....EACH AN' EVERAH PICK ON MAH POLLS......ARE BACKED WHIFF....HOW CAN AH DEFEND....WHEN CALLED OUT....SLOT VOTIN' IS SOMETIMES UH BONAFIDE TOOL.....SAY IT'S LAZY.....BUT MAYBE LAZY....WAS MAJORITY UH POLLSTERS.....DAT WEEK....WHOM JES'....SIMPLY....SLID MONTANA DOWN...TA #7.....'CAUSE FURMAN......CHOKED.....AGAIN AH FLIPPED SAC/MONT #5/#10......AH MOVED UP.....NEXT FEW TEAMS...WHOM WON....OR BYED....DUE TA 27 POINT MONTE DEBACLE....SLOTTED IFIN' YA WILL........DOSE TEAMS DIDN'T HAVE GREAT DUBBYA'S.....BUT NEXT TEAMS UP AS GAMES PLAYED OUT......NOW SAGRIN/MASSEY....BEIN' REAL KIND......TA MONTE.......AS AH.....LOOK TA MONTANA'S SKED......AN' SEE POSSILBY ONE GOOD WIN (UC DAVIS)..WHOM IS NOW IN RETRO........OUTTAH DUH CHARTS....CLINGIN' TA #34 OR MAYBEAH EVEN MONMOUTH (WE'LL KNOW SATURDAY)...PRIOR TA SAC STATE.......SO AH'VE PRESENTED MAH REASONIN' AN' REST MAH CASE....OVERAH AN' OUT....BOSS BEAR......BRAWK!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

.....OKAY OKAY.........MAYBEAH OPENED UP UH CAN O' WORMS......FOUND DUH LID........AN' MAH LAST WORDS ON DUH MATTER.........CARRIB....HAS MAH BACK AN' GREATLY 'PRECIATED.......DON'T WANT HIM TA HANG OUT DERE ALONE...FO' ME.....AH WAS WILLIN' TA CALL IT UH DRAW LAST NIGHT.......LATE WHIFF ONE EYE.....ON BASEBALL.........AH COME ACROSS AS UH CLOWN....BUT 'TWEEN DUH LINES ARE TRUTHS....SOME GET IT.....LOTS DON'T.....NOT MANY PUT AS MUCH WORK INTA SELECTIONS......AS YOU YERSELF...SAID......WHEN YA HAD TA CORRECT MAH POLL....FO' DUH FIRST TIME EVERAH........CONSEQUENTLY O' NOT......PRIOR TA DAT SUNDAYS POLL......AH HAD TA PUT MAH 15 YR OL' CAT 'NOVA (SERIOUS HIS NAME WAS 'NOVA)....DOWN....AS HE LAY IN MAH LAP...ON OCT 2nd..........WHIFF KIDNEY FAILURE......VET SAID HE WAS MAYBEAH DAY AWAY FROM GOIN' INTA CONVULSIONS....EACH AN' EVERAH PICK ON MAH POLLS......ARE BACKED WHIFF....HOW CAN AH DEFEND....WHEN CALLED OUT....SLOT VOTIN' IS SOMETIMES UH BONAFIDE TOOL.....SAY IT'S LAZY.....BUT MAYBE LAZY....WAS MAJORITY UH POLLSTERS.....DAT WEEK....WHOM JES'....SIMPLY....SLID MONTANA DOWN...TA #7.....'CAUSE FURMAN......CHOKED.....AGAIN AH FLIPPED SAC/MONT #5/#10......AH MOVED UP.....NEXT FEW TEAMS...WHOM WON....OR BYED....DUE TA 27 POINT MONTE DEBACLE....SLOTTED IFIN' YA WILL........DOSE TEAMS DIDN'T HAVE GREAT DUBBYA'S.....BUT NEXT TEAMS UP AS GAMES PLAYED OUT......NOW SAGRIN/MASSEY....BEIN' REAL KIND......TA MONTE.......AS AH.....LOOK TA MONTANA'S SKED......AN' SEE POSSILBY ONE GOOD WIN (UC DAVIS)..WHOM IS NOW IN RETRO........OUTTAH DUH CHARTS....CLINGIN' TA #34 OR MAYBEAH EVEN MONMOUTH (WE'LL KNOW SATURDAY)...PRIOR TA SAC STATE.......SO AH'VE PRESENTED MAH REASONIN' AN' REST MAH CASE....OVERAH AN' OUT....BOSS BEAR......BRAWK!

You might notice you won't get too much push back from me on almost anything Grizzly if I see it as fair. But if you choose to keep badgering on the topic then I'm probably gonna put a bit of resistance if it isn't ringing true to me.

Anyone that had Sac below Montana for instance got called out from me when they cast their ballot because it would not have been fair to not give the proper credit to Sac who has the toughest schedule out there. I think Montana's was top 5 but can't recall.

Not sure if slot voting is really ever a good way to do it but opinions vary and I have always allowed room in the poll for those other opinions as I am sure you are aware since as you noted I have never got in touch unless a mistake was perceived and I asked you (or the voter) if it was that. I mentioned it for one reason and that was the assertion that you made about "not being punished enough" and that the Griz got some biased treatment...which doesn't hold up to me.

UD voters are, and always have been the backbone of the AGS Poll so don't take my arguments against you here as a critique of your or anyone else's overall voting it is only about this one single point.

Very sorry to hear about your cat. If I ever have one I will name him Bob just to follow your lead.:)

[UNH72Plus]

I realize that pollsters first look a team records and a so far unbeaten season (6-0) garners a certain amount of respect. That being said, is Princeton really the 12th best team in the FCS? The combined record of their first 5 opponents is 7-29, and the Massey Composite ranks them at 65, 105, 109, 111, and 118. Princeton's signature win was a 6 point victory over #37 Harvard (4-2) who had wins over #60 Holy Cross, #96 Cornell, #109 Brown, and #121 Howard. How much does strength of schedule actually count?