AGS Poll Results - WEEK 3 POLL - 2019 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

9/16/2019




Rank
Change
Team
Total Points
First Place Votes



1
–
North Dakota State Bison
2412
91



2
–
James Madison Dukes
2298
3



3
–
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2218
3



4
2
UC Davis Aggies
1971




5
4
Towson Tigers
1960




6
2
Northern Iowa Panthers
1761




7
–
Weber State Wildcats
1760




8
2
Central Arkansas Bears
1462




9
3
Montana State Bobcats
1420




10
1
Kennesaw State Owls
1364




11
-7
Eastern Washington Eagles
1277




12
1
Furman Paladins
1250




13
2
Illinois State Redbirds
1197




14
-9
Maine Black Bears
1145




15
-1
Nicholls State Colonels
1048




16
6
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1026




17
-1
Montana Grizzlies
962




18
-1
Villanova Wildcats
935




19
1
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
710




20
2
Youngstown State Penguins
706




21
-2
North Carolina A&T Aggies
623




22
2
Elon Phoenix
519




23
-5
Delaware Fightin’ Blue Hens
362




24
NR
The Citadel Bulldogs
207




25
–
Princeton Tigers
196




ORV:



26
-5
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
146




27
7
Austin Peay Governors
94




28
–
Stony Brook Seawolves
88




29
NR
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
71




30
6
Southern Illinois Salukis
41




31
3
Dartmouth Big Green
39




32
-2
South Carolina State Bulldogs
33




33
-2
Yale Bulldogs
28




34
NR
Portland State Vikings
26




35
3
Indiana State Sycamores
25




36T
4
McNeese State Cowboys
22




36T
NR
Sac State Hornets
22




38
NR
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15




39
NR
Cal Poly Mustangs
12




40
NR
Abilene Christian Wildcats
10














Most significant win: The Citadel Bulldogs








Most significant loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
















Dropped out of the poll:







Duquesne Dukes







East Tennessee State Buccaneers







Eastern Kentucky Colonels







Lamar Cardinals







Mercer Bears







Sam Houston State Bearkats







Wofford Terriers

[JSUSoutherner]

Yikes
xcoffeex

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[AGSPoll]

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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Nicholls State Colonels
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Furman Paladins
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Princeton Tigers
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Youngstown State Penguins
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: Elon Phoenix
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[Daytripper]

Eastern Washington loses to JSU. JSU loses to SLU. SLU behind both.

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[FUGameBreaker]

Thanks to all who voted, especially for the Dins xnodx SoCon play starts for us this Saturday so back to FCS play, its put up or shut up time for us to rip off some W's!

[JSUSoutherner]

Eastern Washington loses to JSU. JSU loses to SLU. SLU behind both.

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Yeah anyone who has us above SELA is off their rocker.


That's JV coaches poll caliber garbage.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Yeah anyone who has us above SELA is off their rocker.

One spot ahead on my poll. I can live with myself. Over the long haul I still trust JSU's ceiling a little more than SELA's. Likewise EWU vs JSU....

[Professor Chaos]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-3-top-25-results-2/


I'm kind of surprised to see Central Arkansas as high as they are. I'm guilty of it too since I had them at #7 last week but I dropped them after a pretty uninspiring win against an ACU team that only garnered 10 votes in this poll yet it didn't seem to hurt them in the consensus.
On the other side of the SLC spectrum I think Southeastern Louisiana is pretty underrated at #19. Have people already forgotten how they dump trucked now #16 ranked JSU in week 1???
I also think Austin Peay should be in the top 25. They're close obviously but I was impressed with their win at Mercer this week and they hung right with Central Arkansas the week before that.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's my crack at it:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Towson Tigers
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Furman Paladins
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Elon Phoenix
24: The Citadel Bulldogs
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

[F'N Hawks]

https://i.imgur.com/NAS3Ci9.png

Biggest takeaway -- receiving is spelled wrong.

[Professor Chaos]

Something else I noticed. 9 of 13 Big Sky teams (or 10 of 14 if you want to include UND since they're still playing a Big Sky schedule) are ranked or in the ORV this week. The Big Sky is shaping up to have some nice depth this year even though it may not be as strong at the top as it was last year.

[WestCoastAggie]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-3-top-25-results-2/


I'm kind of surprised to see Central Arkansas as high as they are. I'm guilty of it too since I had them at #7 last week but I dropped them after a pretty uninspiring win against an ACU team that only garnered 10 votes in this poll yet it didn't seem to hurt them in the consensus.
On the other side of the SLC spectrum I think Southeastern Louisiana is pretty underrated at #19. Have people already forgotten how they dump trucked now #16 ranked JSU in week 1???
I also think Austin Peay should be in the top 25. They're close obviously but I was impressed with their win at Mercer this week and they hung right with Central Arkansas the week before that.



Should SELA be ranked higher than Nicholls State who struggled with Prairie View?

[wapiti]

No Votes for Sac State?????
I thought they would at least be in the ORV.

Update: After clicking on the article I see they did receive votes and are tied for 36.

[Professor Chaos]

Should SELA be ranked higher than Nicholls State who struggled with Prairie View?
Yes. IMO SELA is the best team in the SLC right now.


No Votes for Sac State?????
I thought they would at least be in the ORV.
They're in there. Tied for 36th with 22 points.

[JSUSoutherner]

Should SELA be ranked higher than Nicholls State who struggled with Prairie View?

Can you name one reason they shouldn't be?

[Catbooster]

My votes this week:



1
North Dakota State Bison


2
James Madison Dukes


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits


4
Weber State Wildcats


5
Towson Tigers


6
UC Davis Aggies


7
Kennesaw State Owls


8
Northern Iowa Panthers


9
Illinois State Redbirds


10
Southeastern Louisiana Lions


11
Maine Black Bears


12
Eastern Washington Eagles


13
Furman Paladins


14
Montana State Bobcats


15
JacksonvilleState Gamecocks


16
Central Arkansas Bears


17
Nicholls State Colonels


18
Montana Grizzlies


19
Villanova Wildcats


20
Youngstown State Penguins


21
Elon Phoenix


22
The Citadel Bulldogs


23
North Carolina A&T Aggies


24
Delaware Fighting Blue Hens


25
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks

[JALMOND]

Great job as usual, voters!

Surprised as a Big Sky person to see all the conference representation. For Portland State and Cal Poly to move up after their "performances" last week is surprising, as well as Montana moving up one spot. Seeing PSU and Poly in ORV make me think Idaho should have received some consideration.

But I am nitpicking. It does look great overall.

[Gil Dobie]

Curious to see A&T drop after a win, even though it was close to a winless team. They did beat Elon in the first game.

[Professor Chaos]

Great job as usual, voters!

Surprised as a Big Sky person to see all the conference representation. For Portland State and Cal Poly to move up after their "performances" last week is surprising, as well as Montana moving up one spot. Seeing PSU and Poly in ORV make me think Idaho should have received some consideration.

But I am nitpicking. It does look great overall.
Some of those teams at the very bottom of the ORV are just moving up because other teams are falling out I think. In the preseason and week 1 polls a team needed 29 points to crack the ORV, last week it was 16 points, and now this week it's 10 points. So teams like NAU and Cal Poly are probably just popping up because of other teams above them falling off and those votes/points are going to teams further up.


Curious to see A&T drop after a win, even though it was close to a winless team. They did beat Elon in the first game.
They only lost 4 points from last week. It was just that SELA and YSU picked up about 350 points each to hop over them (and JSU picked up about 650).

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Biggest takeaway -- receiving is spelled wrong.

Uh oh, I better get ahold of clenzy. xlolx

He said he was in a hurry and to look it over but I missed that one too.

[ElonFirefighter]

I before E except after C xflaggedx

[Professor Chaos]

Uh oh, I better get ahold of clenzy. xlolx

He said he was in a hurry and to look it over but I missed that one too.
He already fixed it. The updated graphic is at https://i.imgur.com/jLuRuZu.png if you wanted to update the page 1 post.

[MSUBobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1cYS6aGstU

Nice clean stand up bit from Brian Regan.

[clenz]

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6917053440/h71A42B4E/

[BEAR]

Nice. I'd have UCA in the top 15 somewhere. It really doesn't matter. 3-0 with another FBS team on the way so likely a loss. But a solid top 15 anywhere.

[dbackjon]

Some of those teams at the very bottom of the ORV are just moving up because other teams are falling out I think. In the preseason and week 1 polls a team needed 29 points to crack the ORV, last week it was 16 points, and now this week it's 10 points. So teams like NAU and Cal Poly are probably just popping up because of other teams above them falling off and those votes/points are going to teams further up.


They only lost 4 points from last week. It was just that SELA and YSU picked up about 350 points each to hop over them (and JSU picked up about 650).

Yes - almost by default. NAU is 2-1, with FBS loss, so that is something to consider voting for, given how badly the bottom teams did.

NAU has a chance this Saturday to make noise in the poll, or drop completely, when they travel to Normal to play the Redbirds.

[Gangtackle11]

I have yet to vote for my Villanova Wildcats. They are 3-0 with wins over 3 PL teams that have a combined record of 0-9. They beat Towson or play a competitive game then I will move them into the top half if they win & lower half if they play a competitive game.

I voted Delaware in the 20s despite my disdain for their once great program although I don’t believe they will beat Nova this season like 12 of the last 13. xlolxxpeacex

[Professor]

Curious to see A&T drop after a win, even though it was close to a winless team. They did beat Elon in the first game.

I wasn't gonna say anything but errrrr ummmm

[Daytripper]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-3-top-25-results-2/


I'm kind of surprised to see Central Arkansas as high as they are. I'm guilty of it too since I had them at #7 last week but I dropped them after a pretty uninspiring win against an ACU team that only garnered 10 votes in this poll yet it didn't seem to hurt them in the consensus.
On the other side of the SLC spectrum I think Southeastern Louisiana is pretty underrated at #19. Have people already forgotten how they dump trucked now #16 ranked JSU in week 1???
I also think Austin Peay should be in the top 25. They're close obviously but I was impressed with their win at Mercer this week and they hung right with Central Arkansas the week before that.



UCA's win against Abilene Christian is a good win. ACU may run the table in conference after this loss.

[wapiti]

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Gil Dobie https://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2801182#post2801182)
Curious to see A&T drop after a win, even though it was close to a winless team. They did beat Elon in the first game.




I wasn't gonna say anything but errrrr ummmm

Well A&T did get curb stomped by Duke and squeaked by a weak Charleston Southern team. The voting is not based on just one game, but it is on your completed schedule. Looking at the 3 games A&T have played I am not too surprised that they did drop.

How the teams around you in the rankings perform can also affect your position in the polling.

[Thumper 76]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 18:24:50

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Towson Tigers
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Furman Paladins
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: The Citadel Bulldogs
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Elon Phoenix
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Kennesaw State Owls
22: Prairie View A&M Panthers
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: The Citadel Bulldogs
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference




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[bwbear]

UCA's win against Abilene Christian is a good win. ACU may run the table in conference after this loss.

ACU is definitely a team on the rise. Their last 3 weeks of conference play will tell a lot about them (Nicholls, SHSU, SLU). Glad to see they are receiving votes. They should slide up the rankings until late October/November, and then it all depends what they do against those three teams.

I think SLU is ranked way too low. Of all the teams UCA has left, they scare me the most.

The only thing helping UCA is the win over an FBS (my guess). While we could win this week, it is doubtful. 3-1 heading into the heart of conference play (with a bye week) should help them long term, hopefully starting with the offensive line.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Eastern Washington loses to JSU. JSU loses to SLU. SLU behind both.

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Yeah anyone who has us above SELA is off their rocker.


That's JV coaches poll caliber garbage.
Well, here is my JV Coaches' Poll Caliber Garbage. That said, let's make sure we don't kick ourselves in the a** with our knee-jerk movements of teams up or down (or push in all our chips for this team beat that team, who beat this other team, therefore this team should be ranked above both).

Southeastern Louisiana's victory over Jacksonville State was impressive, but so was Jacksonville State's comeback victory over Eastern Washington and their definitive win over Chattanooga last week. If the Lions had played their second game and had not lost to the team predicted to finish second-to-last in the SEC (only ahead of every AGS member's favorite SEC team, Vanderbilt), I might have had the same (extreme?) knee-jerk, but Southeastern Louisiana will have to wait at least another week to surpass either Jacksonville State or Eastern Washington for this voter. I did, however, move Southeastern Louisiana up as the best Southland team, and I will be curious to see if this will hold true for the remainder of the season.

Enjoy!

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Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 12:07:54

Your vote is listed below (previous rank in parentheses).

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (3)
4: Towson Tigers (11)
5: Weber State Wildcats (4)
6: Northern Iowa Panthers (6)
7: UC Davis Aggies (8)
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (24)
9: Eastern Washington Eagles (7)
10: Furman Paladins (12)
11: Maine Black Bears (5)
12: Illinois State Redbirds (9)
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (NR)
14: Central Arkansas Bears (13)
15: Montana State Bobcats (10)
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies (15)
17: Kennesaw State Owls (16)
18: Elon Phoenix (18)
19: Youngstown State Penguins (19)
20: Montana Grizzlies (17)
21: Villanova Wildcats (21)
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (23)
23: Indiana State Sycamores (25)
24: Nicholls State Colonels (14)
25: The Citadel Bulldogs (NR)

The most significant win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The most significant loss: Wofford Terriers
Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dropped from poll: Sam Houston State Bearkats (20), McNeese State Cowboys (22)

[Professor Chaos]

UCA's win against Abilene Christian is a good win. ACU may run the table in conference after this loss.
We'll see, if ACU turns out to be that good I'll have to re-evaluate that game but for now I don't see them as good enough to push the #8 team in the country that hard.... unless of course that team really shouldn't be #8 in the country.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Glad to see that I had Southeast Louisiana 10 spots higher than the FCS Coaches' Poll, so at least that's something.

[caribbeanhen]

I might be the only one that see's Montana better than Montana State

[Professor Chaos]

I might be the only one that see's Montana better than Montana State
I gave the Griz credit for a comfortable win over USD in Vermillion in week 1 but that has since turned out to be fairly unimpressive now that it looks like USD may go 0-12 this season so I haven't given them much traction to move up in my ballot.

[mvemjsunpx]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. James Madison (2)
3. North Dakota St. (4)
4. UC Davis (5)
5. Weber St. (6)
6. Towson (13)
7. Nicholls St. (7)
8. Northern Iowa (9)
9. Central Arkansas (10)
10. Montana St. (11)
11. Illinois St. (12)
12. Kennesaw St. (14)
13. Southeastern Louisiana (18)
14. Jacksonville St. (19)
15. Eastern Washington (8)
16. Maine (3)
17. Yale (15)
18. Furman (21)
19. North Dakota (22)
20. North Carolina A&T (25)
21. Elon (NR)
22. Delaware (17)
23. Indiana St. (NR)
24. Southeast Missouri St. (24)
25. Youngstown St. (NR)

W - Towson
L - Wofford


Dropped - Sam Houston St. (16), Eastern Kentucky (20), Wofford (23)

[JSUSoutherner]

Well, here is my JV Coaches' Poll Caliber Garbage. That said, let's make sure we don't kick ourselves in the a** with our knee-jerk movements of teams up or down (or push in all our chips for this team beat that team, who beat this other team, therefore this team should be ranked above both).

Southeastern Louisiana's victory over Jacksonville State was impressive, but so was Jacksonville State's comeback victory over Eastern Washington and their definitive win over Chattanooga last week. If the Lions had played their second game and had not lost to the team predicted to finish second-to-last in the SEC (only ahead of every AGS member's favorite SEC team, Vanderbilt), I might have had the same (extreme?) knee-jerk, but Southeastern Louisiana will have to wait at least another week to surpass either Jacksonville State or Eastern Washington for this voter. I did, however, move Southeastern Louisiana up as the best Southland team, and I will be curious to see if this will hold true for the remainder of the season.

Enjoy!

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Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 12:07:54

Your vote is listed below (previous rank in parentheses).

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (3)
4: Towson Tigers (11)
5: Weber State Wildcats (4)
6: Northern Iowa Panthers (6)
7: UC Davis Aggies (8)
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (24)
9: Eastern Washington Eagles (7)
10: Furman Paladins (12)
11: Maine Black Bears (5)
12: Illinois State Redbirds (9)
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (NR)
14: Central Arkansas Bears (13)
15: Montana State Bobcats (10)
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies (15)
17: Kennesaw State Owls (16)
18: Elon Phoenix (18)
19: Youngstown State Penguins (19)
20: Montana Grizzlies (17)
21: Villanova Wildcats (21)
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (23)
23: Indiana State Sycamores (25)
24: Nicholls State Colonels (14)
25: The Citadel Bulldogs (NR)

The most significant win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The most significant loss: Wofford Terriers
Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dropped from poll: Sam Houston State Bearkats (20), McNeese State Cowboys (22)

Ole Miss beat Arkansas by two TDs.

And before you come back with "they lost to Memphis" Memphis is 3-0 and beat South Alabama senseless on Saturday.

[Preferred Walk-On]

I might be the only one that see's Montana better than Montana State

You might be.

This appears to be an example of Montana > North Alabama > Western Illinois <= Montana State? If Montana had beaten somebody thus far (South Dakota does not count much due to loss by Houston Baptist and North Alabama does not count much due to loss to Alabama A&M), I could get on board. A win over Monmouth will probably not tip the scale for me, unless Montana State takes a dump against Norfolk State.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Ole Miss beat Arkansas by two TDs.

And before you come back with "they lost to Memphis" Memphis is 3-0 and beat South Alabama senseless on Saturday.

OK, third worst.

[clenz]

I have Montana a head of Montana State

Then again, as I told ursus when I submitted my poll preseason I probably am higher on Montana than anyone else coming into the season

They haven't really don much to "move up" but they haven't done anything to make me rethink them either.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I have Montana a head of Montana State

Then again, as I told ursus when I submitted my poll preseason I probably am higher on Montana than anyone else coming into the season

They haven't really don much to "move up" but they haven't done anything to make me rethink them either.

I'd have to go back and look but I think you had UM the highest of all voters.

[F'N Hawks]

Three teams I am a bit leery of right now based on results are South Dakota State, Montana and Davis. SDSU has not looked very good at all vs their two FCS doormats and Davis hasn't lived up to the hype, either. Should've lost to San Diego.
Montana beat a now-terrible USD team 31-17 and then was down by 1 at half with UNA at home before blowing it open. Need to see more from all three.

[clenz]

I'd have to go back and look but I think you had UM the highest of all voters.
Preseason or this week?

[wapiti]

I might be the only one that see's Montana better than Montana State

I do not vote, but I see UM as possibly being better then Montana State. I have no problem with that assessment. UM has looked pretty good thus far and MSU struggled in its win against W. Ill. and the game against Texas Tech does not look as good now that TT lost to Arizona

[MSUBobcat]

I might be the only one that see's Montana better than Montana State

It's early in the year, so there's room for movement, but both Griz wins are losing their luster. Then again, the same can be said for the Bobcats. We know tUNA and USD are bad and we know WUI is bad. SEMO, a playoff team from last year, is currently just outside the top 25. Since they're playing down this week, it'll be at least 2 weeks before we learn anything new about them, and possibly not for 3 when they play what appears to be a good Austin Peay team on the road. I will admit I came away impressed with the Griz's performance against the Ducks, so I wouldn't have an issue with them currently being ranked above MSU. If I did a poll, I'd have us slightly ahead of them, but not in the top 10 where they ended up. (Voters really hammered Maine for getting doubled up by a top 10 Towson!)

[JSUSoutherner]

OK, third worst.

The third worst team in the best division in college football is still better than most FCS teams not named North Dakota State.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Preseason or this week?

preseason, this week I am not sure on because there are some (non Griz) fans that are coming along to your early stance it appears.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

BTW, to me UM and MSU are looking very equivalent as a product on the field with several key differences that could make either one superior at any time but they really do very even to me. Both teams have done some good work on the lines and that should make them both better throughout season.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I don't think this person or these people are regular posters here so figured I'd put up a tweet from them for you guys in case you hadn't seen it.

https://twitter.com/EagNationAth/status/1173688532709171200

[RootinFerDukes]

Wofford: from top 8 or so, to not even on the radar in 3 weeks.

[Professor Chaos]

I don't think this person or these people are regular posters here so figured I'd put up a tweet from them for you guys in case you hadn't seen it.

https://twitter.com/EagNationAth/status/1173688532709171200
Very cool to see. I'm preaching to the choir but seeing more and more people come around to opinions like these just underscores how critical discussion improves polls. We get that here whereas I don't think coach's poll voters or (most) STATS poll voters get that. I don't think we're any more knowledgeable than those guys are but when you're forced to rationalize your placement of teams week in week out the curtains get pulled back on your personal tendencies and biases allowing voters to lessen or eliminate them making the consensus the best it can be.

[TheKingpin28]

Very cool to see. I'm preaching to the choir but seeing more and more people come around to opinions like these just underscores how critical discussion improves polls. We get that here whereas I don't think coach's poll voters or (most) STATS poll voters get that. I don't think we're any more knowledgeable than those guys are but when you're forced to rationalize your placement of teams week in week out the curtains get pulled back on your personal tendencies and biases allowing voters to lessen or eliminate them making the consensus the best it can be.

You beat me to it. We do a solid job of ensuring those who vote and post their polls, defend their position as to why they had a team where they did. We all make mistakes (and generally they are offset by the group as a whole) but when it becomes repeated mistakes, the biases are called out for what they are. I know I have had teams "out of place" but if I refuse to either defend or admit it was an oversight, I deserve to be called out for it.

[Preferred Walk-On]

The third worst team in the best division in college football is still better than most FCS teams not named North Dakota State.

So moral victory then? (sarcasm)

Here's a more serious question: You clearly think Southeastern Louisiana is better than the Gamecocks, but are the Gamecocks truly better than Eastern Washington? Was it a lucky win against EWU? If so, how does EWU matchup with the Lions? Are the Lions a seed, because that is what you seem to indicate with your original statement and follow-ups. I don't think I am ready to "crown their a**es" just yet.

I don't think it is anywhere near definitive that Southeastern Louisiana is better than Eastern Washington, and I am not even sure Jacksonville State is better than Eastern Washington (although I did vote that way...barely). If all are within a few spots of one another near the mid-to-upper end of the poll, than that is probably about the best one can do, IMO. Order at this point seems pretty arbitrary with only 2-3 games played.


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[JSUSoutherner]

So moral victory then? (sarcasm)

Here's a more serious question: You clearly think Southeastern Louisiana is better than the Gamecocks, but are the Gamecocks truly better than Eastern Washington? Was it a lucky win against EWU? If so, how does EWU matchup with the Lions? Are the Lions a seed, because that is what you seem to indicate with your original statement and follow-ups. I don't think I am ready to "crown their a**es" just yet.

I don't think it is anywhere near definitive that Southeastern Louisiana is better than Eastern Washington, and I am not even sure Jacksonville State is better than Eastern Washington (although I did vote that way...barely). If all are within a few spots of one another near the mid-to-upper end of the poll, than that is probably about the best one can do, IMO. Order at this point seems pretty arbitrary with only 2-3 games played.


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Take away JSU's special team mistakes in Q1 and I think JSU wins that game in a much more convincing fashion.

I think if EWU and JSU play 10 times you'd probably see one team or the other win 6 of 10 at most. That's why I have them so close in my poll.

EWU is a secondary away from being a title threat.

As far as SELA is concerned, they got talent and the coaches got them looking pretty good, especially on defense.

Worthy of Note: SELA threw 3 picks and a fumble against Ole Miss. Take away 2 of those and SELA probably gets out of Oxford with a dub.

[BisonTru]

1
North Dakota St


2
South Dakota St


3
James Madison


4
UC Davis


5
Eastern Wash


6
Towson


7
Weber St


8
Northern Iowa


9
Montana St


10
Villanova


11
Southeastern LA


12
Montana


13
Central Arkansas



14
Princeton


15
Dartmouth


16
Youngstown St


17
Nichols St


18
North Dakota


19
Illinois St


20
Jacksonville St


21
The Citadel


22
Kennesaw St


23
Delaware


24
Maine


25
Idaho




I did not forget Furman. I'm not sure why they are so high. 34th in Massey and 1-2 doesn't seem worthy of the spot they're holding.

[Thumper 76]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. James Madison (2)
3. North Dakota St. (4)
4. UC Davis (5)
5. Weber St. (6)
6. Towson (13)
7. Nicholls St. (7)
8. Northern Iowa (9)
9. Central Arkansas (10)
10. Montana St. (11)
11. Illinois St. (12)
12. Kennesaw St. (14)
13. Southeastern Louisiana (18)
14. Jacksonville St. (19)
15. Eastern Washington (8)
16. Maine (3)
17. Yale (15)
18. Furman (21)
19. North Dakota (22)
20. North Carolina A&T (25)
21. Elon (NR)
22. Delaware (17)
23. Indiana St. (NR)
24. Southeast Missouri St. (24)
25. Youngstown St. (NR)

W - Towson
L - Wofford


Dropped - Sam Houston St. (16), Eastern Kentucky (20), Wofford (23)

Just curious, what has SDSU done to warrant a number one vote. Also, how is Indy St still ranked?


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[Silenoz]

It's early in the year, so there's room for movement, but both Griz wins are losing their luster. Then again, the same can be said for the Bobcats. We know tUNA and USD are bad and we know WUI is bad. SEMO, a playoff team from last year, is currently just outside the top 25. Since they're playing down this week, it'll be at least 2 weeks before we learn anything new about them, and possibly not for 3 when they play what appears to be a good Austin Peay team on the road. I will admit I came away impressed with the Griz's performance against the Ducks, so I wouldn't have an issue with them currently being ranked above MSU. If I did a poll, I'd have us slightly ahead of them, but not in the top 10 where they ended up. (Voters really hammered Maine for getting doubled up by a top 10 Towson!)

Stop being reasonable. Every game is incontrovertible proof that one team is one the upswing and the other is on the downswing, depending on who you root for.

[Professor Chaos]

Take away JSU's special team mistakes in Q1 and I think JSU wins that game in a much more convincing fashion.

I think if EWU and JSU play 10 times you'd probably see one team or the other win 6 of 10 at most. That's why I have them so close in my poll.

EWU is a secondary away from being a title threat.

As far as SELA is concerned, they got talent and the coaches got them looking pretty good, especially on defense.

Worthy of Note: SELA threw 3 picks and a fumble against Ole Miss. Take away 2 of those and SELA probably gets out of Oxford with a dub.
That "take away this play and that play" game goes both ways. Take away the pick 6 Barriere threw and the punt EWU got blocked giving JSU a 12 yard field and JSU never would've even had a chance to win that game. I think EWU wins 7 times out of 10 times on a neutral field and probably 8 of 10 on the red turf. I could be wrong but I felt like JSU stole that game last Saturday. It proved to me that they were better than the #20-#25 tier I had them at but I still think EWU should be ranked higher of the two.

[Daytripper]

1
North Dakota St


2
South Dakota St


3
James Madison


4
UC Davis


5
Eastern Wash


6
Towson


7
Weber St


8
Northern Iowa


9
Montana St


10
Villanova


11
Southeastern LA


12
Montana


13
Central Arkansas


14
Princeton


15
Dartmouth


16
Youngstown St


17
Nichols St


18
North Dakota


19
Illinois St


20
Jacksonville St


21
The Citadel


22
Kennesaw St


23
Delaware


24
Maine


25
Idaho




I did not forget Furman. I'm not sure why they are so high. 34th in Massey and 1-2 doesn't seem worthy of the spot they're holding.

Where do I start?

[Thumper 76]

1
North Dakota St


2
South Dakota St


3
James Madison


4
UC Davis


5
Eastern Wash


6
Towson


7
Weber St


8
Northern Iowa


9
Montana St


10
Villanova


11
Southeastern LA


12
Montana


13
Central Arkansas



14
Princeton


15
Dartmouth


16
Youngstown St


17
Nichols St


18
North Dakota


19
Illinois St


20
Jacksonville St


21
The Citadel


22
Kennesaw St


23
Delaware


24
Maine


25
Idaho




I did not forget Furman. I'm not sure why they are so high. 34th in Massey and 1-2 doesn't seem worthy of the spot they're holding.

So you’re going to hold two FBS games they almost won against them?


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[Daytripper]

So you’re going to hold two FBS games they almost won against them?


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And give all kinds of love to UND, who beat two bad FCS teams and got their doors blown off by another one.

[JSUSoutherner]

That "take away this play and that play" game goes both ways. Take away the pick 6 Barriere threw and the punt EWU got blocked giving JSU a 12 yard field and JSU never would've even had a chance to win that game. I think EWU wins 7 times out of 10 times on a neutral field and probably 8 of 10 on the red turf. I could be wrong but I felt like JSU stole that game last Saturday. It proved to me that they were better than the #20-#25 tier I had them at but I still think EWU should be ranked higher of the two.

I'm aware it does. Ole Miss probably wishes they had a few plays back too.

But my point is despite their mistakes in that game SELA still hung with them. That to me is impressive.

[Catbooster]

1
North Dakota St


2
South Dakota St


3
James Madison


4
UC Davis


5
Eastern Wash


6
Towson


7
Weber St


8
Northern Iowa


9
Montana St


10
Villanova


11
Southeastern LA


12
Montana


13
Central Arkansas


14
Princeton


15
Dartmouth


16
Youngstown St


17
Nichols St


18
North Dakota


19
Illinois St


20
Jacksonville St


21
The Citadel


22
Kennesaw St


23
Delaware


24
Maine


25
Idaho




I did not forget Furman. I'm not sure why they are so high. 34th in Massey and 1-2 doesn't seem worthy of the spot they're holding.
You don't see many people with Idaho in their polls. You get extra credit for originality. ;)

[JSUSoutherner]

1
North Dakota St


2
South Dakota St


3
James Madison


4
UC Davis


5
Eastern Wash


6
Towson


7
Weber St


8
Northern Iowa


9
Montana St


10
Villanova


11
Southeastern LA


12
Montana


13
Central Arkansas



14
Princeton


15
Dartmouth


16
Youngstown St


17
Nichols St


18
North Dakota


19
Illinois St


20
Jacksonville St


21
The Citadel


22
Kennesaw St


23
Delaware


24
Maine


25
Idaho




I did not forget Furman. I'm not sure why they are so high. 34th in Massey and 1-2 doesn't seem worthy of the spot they're holding.

You know we beat Eastern Washington, right?

[MSUBobcat]

That "take away this play and that play" game goes both ways. Take away the pick 6 Barriere threw and the punt EWU got blocked giving JSU a 12 yard field and JSU never would've even had a chance to win that game. I think EWU wins 7 times out of 10 times on a neutral field and probably 8 of 10 on the red turf. I could be wrong but I felt like JSU stole that game last Saturday. It proved to me that they were better than the #20-#25 tier I had them at but I still think EWU should be ranked higher of the two.

Beat me to it. Every game has miscues. Thing like KO returns for TD's, fumbles and INTs are one team outperforming the other on that specific play. (Unless you're Kirk Cousins throwing a ****ing INT into triple coverage off your back foot in the end zone on first down. That's cuz you're a dumb ****.) Unforced errors on routine plays, like a punter muffing a clean snap and then not falling on it or kicking it OB have slightly more of a case of "if X didn't happen" but even then, mental miscues are also part of the game and are irrelevant other than for awarding moral victories. This is why the "better team" often loses.

[POD Knows]

Here is the answer key, my rankings for Villanova and YSU are my two big outliers vs. the AGS poll. I also dropped EWU well below the final AGS poll, they will lose to UND next week.

I had Maine as my most significant loss, not because they lost but by how bad they lost.

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 5:08:40

Your vote is listed below.

AGS Poll # in ()

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (3)
4: UC Davis Aggies (4)
5: Towson Tigers (5)
6: Northern Iowa Panthers (6)
7: Central Arkansas Bears (8)
8: Weber State Wildcats (7)
9: Kennesaw State Owls (10)
10: Villanova Wildcats (18)
11: Montana State Bobcats (9)
12: Youngstown State Penguins (20)
13: Furman Paladins (12)
14: Illinois State Redbirds (13)
15: Nicholls State Colonels (15)
16: Montana Grizzlies (17)
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (16)
18: Eastern Washington Eagles (11)
19: Elon Phoenix (22)
20: Maine Black Bears (14)
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies (21)
22: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (19)
23: Austin Peay Governors (27)
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (29)
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (23)

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[lionsrking2]

I'm aware it does. Ole Miss probably wishes they had a few plays back too.

But my point is despite their mistakes in that game SELA still hung with them. That to me is impressive.

In addition to four turnovers, we gave up a kickoff return for a TD and we misfired on three wide open receivers that likely would have gone for touchdowns. Ole Miss rushed for 220 yards on 50 carries, but 133 of the yards came on four carries. The other 46 carries netted 87 yards.

[JSUSoutherner]

Here is the answer key, my rankings for Villanova and YSU are my two big outliers vs. the AGS poll. I also dropped EWU well below the final AGS poll, they will lose to UND next week.

I had Maine as my most significant loss, not because they lost but by how bad they lost.

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 5:08:40

Your vote is listed below.

AGS Poll # in ()

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (3)
4: UC Davis Aggies (4)
5: Towson Tigers (5)
6: Northern Iowa Panthers (6)
7: Central Arkansas Bears (8)
8: Weber State Wildcats (7)
9: Kennesaw State Owls (10)
10: Villanova Wildcats (18)
11: Montana State Bobcats (9)
12: Youngstown State Penguins (20)
13: Furman Paladins (12)
14: Illinois State Redbirds (13)
15: Nicholls State Colonels (15)
16: Montana Grizzlies (17)
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (16)
18: Eastern Washington Eagles (11)
19: Elon Phoenix (22)
20: Maine Black Bears (14)
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies (21)
22: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (19)
23: Austin Peay Governors (27)
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (29)
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (23)

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Villanova beats a PFL team and moves up 8 spots.

JSU beats a top 10 team and moves down a spot.

Obviously you don't think our win was really the 'Most Significant.'

Edit: I thought the brackets were previous week.

My bad.

[BisonTru]

So you’re going to hold two FBS games they almost won against them?


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Looking at the Massey composite nobody is higher on Furman than AGS. I think you can make a solid argument they deserve 20-25 but not as high as they’re getting ranked.


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[MSUBobcat]

Stop being reasonable. Every game is incontrovertible proof that one team is one the upswing and the other is on the downswing, depending on who you root for.

Then does the MSU-WIU game prove that MSU is on the downswing and WIU on the upswing? It sure as hell didn't indicate that MSU is on the upswing.....

[BisonTru]

You know we beat Eastern Washington, right?

At home and you led for a grand total of a minute. I watched the game as well. Very comfortable with where I have both teams.


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[BisonTru]

And give all kinds of love to UND, who beat two bad FCS teams and got their doors blown off by another one.

I hate nothing more than giving UND “love.” They’re #18 in my poll. That’s not a lot of love IMO. Btw they’re 17th in both Massey and Sagarin.


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[POD Knows]

Villanova beats a PFL team and moves up 8 spots.

JSU beats a top 10 team and moves down a spot.

Obviously you don't think our win was really the 'Most Significant.'

Edit: I thought the brackets were previous week.

My bad.
Apology accepted. Now that you broke my code, what are your thoughts. I am maybe a little too high on Villanova, we will see. My deviation # vs the AGS poll is 55 (cumulative place differences vs the AGS poll), I don't know whether this is good or bad but my big misses vs the poll are Villanova, YSU and Maine

[JSUSoutherner]

At home and you led for a grand total of a minute. I watched the game as well. Very comfortable with where I have both teams.


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So we outscored EWU 42-17 and outgain them in yardage outside Q1 and win and you honestly believe they are 15 spots better than us?

[Katfan]

Yikes
xcoffeex

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190916/3b3c06bded1a9eafcdf0405e4c4bfa0c.jpg
Good poll I don’t see how anyone has SLC rated below any Other Southland team or JSU!

[JSUSoutherner]

Apology accepted. Now that you broke my code, what are your thoughts. I am maybe a little too high on Villanova, we will see. My deviation # vs the AGS poll is 55 (cumulative place differences vs the AGS poll), I don't know whether this is good or bad but my big misses vs the poll are Villanova, YSU and Maine

My poll is on the first page. I have Nova @12. I know they haven't played anyone yet but I have them up there for the same reason I'm not dropping Kennesaw, you can only play who is in front of you. Villanova is taking care of business so far.

[BisonTru]

So we outscored EWU 42-17 and outgain them in yardage outside Q1 and win and you honestly believe they are 15 spots better than us?

The game is four quarters. You can cherry pick what you want but your ranking is based off your whole resume which includes a loss to SELA.


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[JSUSoutherner]

The game is four quarters. You can cherry pick what you want but your ranking is based off your whole resume which includes a loss to SELA.


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Yes. A game is 4 quarters. And at the end of those 4 quarters we had more points than they did.

Which is why I'm surprised you only want to rank us and EWU based off the first quarter?

[Daytripper]

I hate nothing more than giving UND “love.” They’re #18 in my poll. That’s not a lot of love IMO. Btw they’re 17th in both Massey and Sagarin.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIMHO they don't belong anywhere near the to 25. What have they done?

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[POD Knows]

My poll is on the first page. I have Nova @12. I know they haven't played anyone yet but I have them up there for the same reason I'm not dropping Kennesaw, you can only play who is in front of you. Villanova is taking care of business so far.Yea, I have Villanova at 10, are they a top ten team, who the hell knows. I usually have a couple teams in my early polls that tank like mother****ers at some point in time during the year, it will probably be Villanova and YSU this year.

[JSUSoutherner]

IMHO they don't belong anywhere near the to 25. What have they done?

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They beat Sam Houston State! Duh. That's a bigger win than Eastern Washington, apparently.

[BisonTru]

Yes. A game is 4 quarters. And at the end of those 4 quarters we had more points than they did.

Which is why I'm surprised you only want to rank us and EWU based off the first quarter?

You put that game on a neutral field and I’m taking EWU all day. Time will tell but my bet is EWU finishes the season closer to where I have them ranked.


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[F'N Hawks]

IMHO they don't belong anywhere near the to 25. What have they done?

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What had SDSU done? What had Delaware done?

[POD Knows]

I hate nothing more than giving UND “love.” They’re #18 in my poll. That’s not a lot of love IMO. Btw they’re 17th in both Massey and Sagarin.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI have them at 24 in my poll and I put them ahead of Delaware because I think they are a better team than Delaware, particularly on D and I think they have a shot to beat EWU.

[JSUSoutherner]

You put that game on a neutral field and I’m taking EWU all day. Time will tell but my bet is EWU finishes the season closer to where I have them ranked.


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Oh it wouldn't surprise me if they finish top 5. I think EWU is a good team.

But I think it's funny you sit there and preach at me about a game being 4 quarters and then give JSU exactly no credit for playing 4 quarters.

[lucchesicourt]

Also, maybe USD is better than anyone is giving them credit for. Sure they lost to UCD by close score, but does this mean that UCD isn't very good or USD is better than anyone is giving them credit? After all, they are picked to win their conference. And, doesn't winning count more than losing a close game?
UCD beat what maybe is a very good USD team.

[BisonTru]

Oh it wouldn't surprise me if they finish top 5. I think EWU is a good team.

But I think it's funny you sit there and preach at me about a game being 4 quarters and then give JSU exactly no credit for playing 4 quarters.

I didn’t have JSU ranked before this week. They moved up a lot in my mind after this week, but to leap frog EWU. Nope. I don’t see it.


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[JSUSoutherner]

I didn’t have JSU ranked before this week. They moved up a lot in my mind after this week, but to leap frog EWU. Nope. I don’t see it.


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Im not even mad that people still have EWU over us. I can see why.

But having us 15 spots back and below North Dakota and Youngstown who have done exactly nothing of worth this season... That's different.

North Dakota's biggest achievement of the season was not getting shut out in Fargo.

[F'N Hawks]

I have them at 24 in my poll and I put them ahead of Delaware because I think they are a better team than Delaware, particularly on D and I think they have a shot to beat EWU.

Zero percent chance of beating EWU in Cheney.

[POD Knows]

Zero percent chance of beating EWU in Cheney.To me, it doesn't look like EWU knows how to play D, when in doubt, always go with the team that has the better defense. I think your chances are better than zero, I will bet you a $1000 that you win, if you don't win, then I owe you nothing. :D

[ElCid]

Looking at the Massey composite nobody is higher on Furman than AGS. I think you can make a solid argument they deserve 20-25 but not as high as they’re getting ranked.


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Have you seen them play? Just curious. The Va Tech game is on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3pO_fIHhHc I watched two of their games now and am not looking forward to our game. The plain Massey is a good data point, but it has some inherent flaws early in the season. As do most computer ratings. Actually one in the composite has Furman at 7 another 15 and one at 16. Close.

Some of the ratings that make up the composite are a serious joke. One has Cent Ark 4 while another has them at 40. Another has Montana #2 and another at 28. Another has Princeton #2. Those all might be true but there are weird rankings in there. They get smoothed out by the better polls, but I have never liked the composite.

[JSUSoutherner]

Their DL is solid but their secondary needs improvement.

I don't expect everyone to do what we did against them though. We have one of the top three best passing attacks in FCS right now.

[Mike296]

Here comes the bloodbath and no your eyes do not deceive you I dropped Kennesaw from my poll because they have not been good this year and have played a really bad schedule.

59-0 over a bad D2 is not impressive it’s just a riot

26-23 loss to a bad FBS doesn’t impress me either.

42-7 win over a SWAC team that is pretty mediocre doesn’t help their cause.

I don’t understand why people rate them so highly....,

Hello Mike296,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 18:16:19

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Furman Paladins
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks

Mike296

The Most Significant Win: The Citadel Bulldogs
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

[lionsrking2]

Im not even mad that people still have EWU over us. I can see why.

But having us 15 spots back and below North Dakota and Youngstown who have done exactly nothing of worth this season... That's different.

North Dakota's biggest achievement of the season was not getting shut out in Fargo.

None of it really matters right now. Just take care of business and it'll sort out in the end. I've got a feeling we'll be seeing you guys again in this calender year.

[JSUSoutherner]

None of it really matters right now. Just take care of business and it'll sort out in the end. I've got a feeling we'll be seeing you guys again in this calender year.

I hope not.

[JSUSoutherner]

Here comes the bloodbath and no your eyes do not deceive you I dropped Kennesaw from my poll because they have not been good this year and have played a really bad schedule.

59-0 over a bad D2 is not impressive it’s just a riot

26-23 loss to a bad FBS doesn’t impress me either.

42-7 win over a SWAC team that is pretty mediocre doesn’t help their cause.

I don’t understand why people rate them so highly....,

Hello Mike296,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 18:16:19

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Furman Paladins
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks

Mike296

The Most Significant Win: The Citadel Bulldogs
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

Probably because they play good football.

[lionsrking2]

I hope not.

I hope not either. You guys are good.

[caribbeanhen]

I do not vote, but I see UM as possibly being better then Montana State. I have no problem with that assessment. UM has looked pretty good thus far and MSU struggled in its win against W. Ill. and the game against Texas Tech does not look as good now that TT lost to Arizona

It's hard to know at this point, I just saw some serious playmakers for Montana vs S Dak, watched a bit of Montana St vs W Illinois and I just didn't see that much in the snapshot I watched.... not fair i know

[Preferred Walk-On]

Yikes
xcoffeex

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My apologies for what I am about to point out (as I don't mean this to be malicious in any way, more of a curiosity).

I'll admit that the discussion about Southeastern Louisiana>Jacksonville State>=Eastern Washington, and the implication that others that don't believe this are JV pollsters, stuck in my craw a bit. Then I recalled that the Elon Phoenix beat The Citadel Bulldogs (by the same margin that Towson did, I might add), yet are 10 spots below them at 25 (just cracking the top 25) in your poll.

Kudos for posting your poll (I appreciate it), but I am just wondering how one can vehemently argue for one situation while doing the opposite for the other situation. No worries, just caught my eye.

[mvemjsunpx]

Also, maybe USD is better than anyone is giving them credit for. Sure they lost to UCD by close score, but does this mean that UCD isn't very good or USD is better than anyone is giving them credit? After all, they are picked to win their conference. And, doesn't winning count more than losing a close game?
UCD beat what maybe is a very good USD team.

It's hard to say. San Diego got rocked by Cal Poly, but the Toreros have been really awful against option teams for whatever reason. They really struggled defensively against Davidson & Jacksonville last year.

[mvemjsunpx]

It's hard to know at this point, I just saw some serious playmakers for Montana vs S Dak, watched a bit of Montana St vs W Illinois and I just didn't see that much in the snapshot I watched.... not fair i know

The jury's still somewhat out for MSU, and pretty much totally out for UM. The Bobcats did better than I expected against SEMO, but they did worse than I expected against Texas Tech. I picked the Griz to go 6-6, and nothing I've seen would change my mind on that so far. Montana's WR corps is deadly, but the RB corps is probably the weakest it's been since the Don Read days. UM's lack of a pass rush also figures to be a huge problem in Big Sky play.

[JSUSoutherner]

My apologies for what I am about to point out (as I don't mean this to be malicious in any way, more of a curiosity).

I'll admit that the discussion about Southeastern Louisiana>Jacksonville State>=Eastern Washington, and the implication that others that don't believe this are JV pollsters, stuck in my craw a bit. Then I recalled that the Elon Phoenix beat The Citadel Bulldogs (by the same margin that Towson did, I might add), yet are 10 spots below them at 25 (just cracking the top 25) in your poll.

Kudos for posting your poll (I appreciate it), but I am just wondering how one can vehemently argue for one situation while doing the opposite for the other situation. No worries, just caught my eye.

My only issue with Elon is the NC A&T loss.

I think El Cid's GT win merits a jumping despite the head to head. I had El Cid just below Elon last week.

Also to set the record straight, I don't have a big issue with EWU being a couple spots ahead of JSU. I do have an issue with EWU being 17 spots ahead of JSU.

I also have issue with JSU being over SELA under any circumstance. Despite what a lot of people think, that game wasn't a fluke. A lot of our issues were directly because SELA was whipping us all over the field.

[BisonTru]

Im not even mad that people still have EWU over us. I can see why.

But having us 15 spots back and below North Dakota and Youngstown who have done exactly nothing of worth this season... That's different.

North Dakota's biggest achievement of the season was not getting shut out in Fargo.

UND, YSU, and JSU all seem really close to me. The puters all have them close as well.

EWU was in the championship game last year and has the pedigree of finishing the season near the top. A close road loss to another top 25 team is not an unreasonable result for even a top team in the country.

I’ve done the poll long enough that I’ve seen this time and time again where a top team takes a loss they fall imo too far and slowly get worked back up the poll. I’m just not going to drop them as far as the rest do. Imo EWU will slide back up to where I have them. Time will tell.


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[BisonTru]

Have you seen them play? Just curious. The Va Tech game is on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3pO_fIHhHc I watched two of their games now and am not looking forward to our game. The plain Massey is a good data point, but it has some inherent flaws early in the season. As do most computer ratings. Actually one in the composite has Furman at 7 another 15 and one at 16. Close.

Some of the ratings that make up the composite are a serious joke. One has Cent Ark 4 while another has them at 40. Another has Montana #2 and another at 28. Another has Princeton #2. Those all might be true but there are weird rankings in there. They get smoothed out by the better polls, but I have never liked the composite.

Yeah some of the puter rankings are suspect . I like to look at Massey, Sagarin, and the composite. If all three have a team higher or lower then me I’ll re-evaluate where I have them. For Furman they are low in Massey but in iirc 20/25 range in the other two. I may consider them for that region but as high as they are in our poll, I think is too high.


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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

UND, YSU, and JSU all seem really close to me. The puters all have them close as well.

EWU was in the championship game last year and has the pedigree of finishing the season near the top. A close road loss to another top 25 team is not an unreasonable result for even a top team in the country.

I’ve done the poll long enough that I’ve seen this time and time again where a top team takes a loss they fall imo too far and slowly get worked back up the poll. I’m just not going to drop them as far as the rest do. Imo EWU will slide back up to where I have them. Time will tell.


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Your thought process and mine are very similar....

[Derby City Duke]

Fairly comfortable with my top 10, but... xscanxxpopcornx

Pretty entertaining contest down in Jacksonville...put the game on the red grass and I think EWU holds on to win. The home field effect keeps JSU behind EWU this week; if EWU doesn't do something about their defense, they may struggle to get deep in the playoffs, especially if they have to go on the road.

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 20:09:54

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Towson Tigers
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Nicholls State Colonels
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Furman Paladins
15: Kennesaw State Owls
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Towson Tigers
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

[JSUSoutherner]

Fairly comfortable with my top 10, but... xscanxxpopcornx

Pretty entertaining contest down in Jacksonville...put the game on the red grass and I think EWU holds on to win. The home field effect keeps JSU behind EWU this week; if EWU doesn't do something about their defense, they may struggle to get deep in the playoffs, especially if they have to go on the road.

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 20:09:54

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Towson Tigers
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Nicholls State Colonels
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Furman Paladins
15: Kennesaw State Owls
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
25: The Citadel Bulldogs

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Towson Tigers
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

SELA at 24...


C'mon people, this isn't hard.

[Derby City Duke]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-3-top-25-results-2/


I'm kind of surprised to see Central Arkansas as high as they are. I'm guilty of it too since I had them at #7 last week but I dropped them after a pretty uninspiring win against an ACU team that only garnered 10 votes in this poll yet it didn't seem to hurt them in the consensus.
On the other side of the SLC spectrum I think Southeastern Louisiana is pretty underrated at #19. Have people already forgotten how they dump trucked now #16 ranked JSU in week 1???
I also think Austin Peay should be in the top 25. They're close obviously but I was impressed with their win at Mercer this week and they hung right with Central Arkansas the week before that.



APSU was my #26 this week.

Re: SELA, they came in at #24 in my poll this week. I don't put too much stock in week 1 results (especially in OOC matchups) because we just don't know enough about the teams. The only thing I've learned about JMU this year is that they've got a really good front seven on D. A&T beat JSU last year in Week 0. Which team, irrespective of playoff performance, was better last year? I think it was JSU. I think JSU is better than SELA this year. I think SELA has some room to grow. The SLC looks storng this year and SELA has plenty opportunity to climb the polls.

[Daytripper]

APSU was my #26 this week.

Re: SELA, they came in at #24 in my poll this week. I don't put too much stock in week 1 results (especially in OOC matchups) because we just don't know enough about the teams. The only thing I've learned about JMU this year is that they've got a really good front seven on D. A&T beat JSU last year in Week 0. Which team, irrespective of playoff performance, was better last year? I think it was JSU. I think JSU is better than SELA this year. I think SELA has some room to grow. The SLC looks storng this year and SELA has plenty opportunity to climb the polls.

Week 3: SLU took an SEC team to the 4th quarter.

[Derby City Duke]

Week 3: SLU took an SEC team to the 4th quarter.

Ole Miss right now is kind of like Vandy -- SEC because it's stitched onto their jerseys. Glad they were competitive. I remember once when JMU beat #13 Virginia Tech to go to 2-0. People pumped JMU up as a contender to make a deep run, maybe even make it as far as the championship game. They had to win their last 2 to finish over .500 that year. I choose to let the season play out a bit. If SELA goes on to finish top 2 in the SLC I fully expect I'll rank them higher than where they are now.

[polsongrizz]

I honestly do not understand why Princeton is still in this poll. We are now going into week four and they haven't evern played a game yet this season.

[lionsrking2]

APSU was my #26 this week.

Re: SELA, they came in at #24 in my poll this week. I don't put too much stock in week 1 results (especially in OOC matchups) because we just don't know enough about the teams. The only thing I've learned about JMU this year is that they've got a really good front seven on D. A&T beat JSU last year in Week 0. Which team, irrespective of playoff performance, was better last year? I think it was JSU. I think JSU is better than SELA this year. I think SELA has some room to grow. The SLC looks storng this year and SELA has plenty opportunity to climb the polls.

You need to watch more football.

[Derby City Duke]

You need to watch more football.

I've been watching plenty for nearly 50 years thank you. It's not like I voted them off the island or out of the Big Brother House...

[MR. CHICKEN]

Here comes the bloodbath and no your eyes do not deceive you I dropped Kennesaw from my poll because they have not been good this year and have played a really bad schedule.

59-0 over a bad D2 is not impressive it’s just a riot

26-23 loss to a bad FBS doesn’t impress me either.

42-7 win over a SWAC team that is pretty mediocre doesn’t help their cause.

I don’t understand why people rate them so highly....,

Hello Mike296,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/15/2019 18:16:19

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Furman Paladins
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks

Mike296

The Most Significant Win: The Citadel Bulldogs
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

......KENNESAW STATE....IS CURRENTLAH.....#6....IN COACH'S POLL......#7...IN STATS POLL......#10....IN AGS POLL............YER POLL SHEET....SHOOD BE IN UH BIRD CAGE.........AN' QUESTIONED........BAH POLL MONITORS....HERE @...AGS.........REDICK-O-LOUS....DUH PRETZEL LOGIC.....SOME APPLY........BRAWK!

[TheRevSFA]

......KENNESAW STATE....IS CURRENTLAH.....#6....IN COACH'S POLL......#7...IN STATS POLL......#10....IN AGS POLL............YER POLL SHEET....SHOOD BE IN UH BIRD CAGE.........AN' QUESTIONED........BAH POLL MONITORS....HERE @...AGS.........REDICK-O-LOUS....DUH PRETZEL LOGIC.....SOME APPLY........BRAWK!

Yep with big wins over NAIA Point and Alabama State, whose only win was against Tuskegee.

I wouldn’t drop them from the top 25 but they aren’t top 10

[JSUSoutherner]

Yep with big wins over NAIA Point and Alabama State, whose only win was against Tuskegee.

I wouldn’t drop them from the top 25 but they aren’t top 10

I remember last season when Kennesaw was in the exact same spot this time last year getting the exact same crap for their scheduling.


I also remember them beating us, Wofford, and giving SDSU hell in the quarterfinals even after Burks went down.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Yep with big wins over NAIA Point and Alabama State, whose only win was against Tuskegee.

I wouldn’t drop them from the top 25 but they aren’t top 10



.....OWLS....NOT DUH OWN-LAH TEAM....IN POLL....WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED ANYONE YET...........................BRAWK!

[JSUSoutherner]

.....OWLS....NOT DUH OWN-LAH TEAM....IN POLL....WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED ANYONE YET...........................BRAWK!

*Cough* VILLANOVA AND YOUNGSTOWN *cough*

[TheRevSFA]

.....OWLS....NOT DUH OWN-LAH TEAM....IN POLL....WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED ANYONE YET...........................BRAWK!

True, they could be Nova who are 3-0 against teams who are a combined 0-9 to start the season

[caribbeanhen]

I honestly do not understand why Princeton is still in this poll. We are now going into week four and they haven't evern played a game yet this season.

with the amount of not so good teams in the poll, this can work to Princeton's advantage

They are ranked #3 on Massey ....

[POD Knows]

*Cough* VILLANOVA AND YOUNGSTOWN *cough*SDSU hasn't beaten anybody either, outside of the Gophers, they must have one of the softest OOC schedule here but they are up there in the poll, should we drop their asses as well. They had Drake, some college I have literally never heard of and Southern Utah this weekend. It don't get much better than that.

[clenz]

Ive dropped SDSU 10 spots in 2 weeks.

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[F'N Hawks]

Ive dropped SDSU 10 spots in 2 weeks.

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I am sure they will be fine because they have a ton of talent but something is off right now when watching them (bits and pieces) and following box scores. To give up 289 yards to Drake is a bit concerning - that is a bad football team. Not having Gibbs and having Eck as the new OC is probably giving them some growing pains.

[POD Knows]

Ive dropped SDSU 10 spots in 2 weeks.

Sent from my Pixel 3 using TapatalkThat is pretty harsh, I am having a hard time figuring out what 10 other teams you may have in front of them at this point in time.

[IBleedYellow]

Ive dropped SDSU 10 spots in 2 weeks.

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I can understand why some people are dropping them like rocks. Gibbs needs to come back. They look like a completely different team without him.

[clenz]

I can understand why some people are dropping them like rocks. Gibbs needs to come back. They look like a completely different team without him.Without Gibbs their offense looks not great

Maybe it's fall out from last year's game with APB like others said in a different thread.

Something looks pretty off with them right now though. Gibbs may/probably fixes most of it.

Honestly, even that Minnesota win and Gibbs line from that game I've started to wonder as the season has gone on

There was another level of energy from SDSU that night that we haven't seen even half matched. I'm not going to say "super bowl" type game but it's clear they pulled out almost every stop and whatever else on their game plan.

Minnesota has not looked great. Yes they are 3-0 but it's a double OT win over Fresno and a last 30 second win over Georgia Southern. They haven't exactly been amazing

Gibbs also completed just 50% of his passes against Minnesota. He's clearly better than anyone else SDSU has right now but I still have questions as he made some real bad freshman mistakes in that game. He will grow from them but he is still a freshman.

Maybe I'm too harsh. Maybe others are overlooking issues and not being harsh enough because of the name.

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[JSUSoutherner]

SDSU hasn't beaten anybody either, outside of the Gophers, they must have one of the softest OOC schedule here but they are up there in the poll, should we drop their asses as well. They had Drake, some college I have literally never heard of and Southern Utah this weekend. It don't get much better than that.

I don't normally drop teams for their scheduling.

You can only play who is in front of you.

I dropped SDSU a couple of spots this week because of the QB situation.

[Silenoz]

Then does the MSU-WIU game prove that MSU is on the downswing and WIU on the upswing? It sure as hell didn't indicate that MSU is on the upswing.....
No, you're doing it wrong! You have to jump through enough mental hoops to convince yourself that MSU is doing better than UM, and I have to do the reverse. That is the nature of this rivalry.

[MSUBobcat]

No, you're doing it wrong! You have to jump through enough mental hoops to convince yourself that MSU is doing better than UM, and I have to do the reverse. That is the nature of this rivalry.

Doesn't take much for me to think MSU is light years ahead of UM, in more ways than just football. xrulesx Luckily, I read an article where Choate told me that Macomb is IMPOSSIBLE for an OOC to win at (12 years, no home OOC loss I think he said! The Griz would know.... they lost there just last year :D), so the WIU win actually means we're on a YUGE upswing. In fact, we've cancelled the rest of the FCS season and taking the place of the Miami Dolphins in the NFL. The footprint of the Big Sky got a wee bit bigger....

[clenz]

I don't normally drop teams for their scheduling.

You can only play who is in front of you.

I dropped SDSU a couple of spots this week because of the QB situation.
I don't drop for who you play, per se.

I use the hated eye test in those cases.

How do you perform vs how I expect you should perform vs that team

Let's use SDSU for example - since I admitted I dropped them 10 spots the last 2 week after they've won 38-10 and 38-3

Two blow out wins that were never "really" in doubt. How can i move someone down for that?

I expected them to win by that margin, or more. So the size of the win does nothing for me

However, I watch SDSU play and they didn't look like a team where I had them. The scoring margin was "right" but the game didn't "play" the way the score did. As i said, there are reasons for that. Some think because of how out of hand APB got last year that Stig/Eck are intentionally doing the opposite to avoid it this year. They are also missing Gibbs. SDSU without Gibbs is not nearly as good as SDSU with Gibbs. SDSU with Gibbs I had at #1. If SDSU has to continue without him (doesn't sound like that much longer (?) then they will move back up the ratings as my eyes will see what should be a top 3-5 team. I refuse to keep SDSU with my #1 vote, or top of the poll in general, simply because they are SDSU. Sorry, don't vote that way. There's a reason I moved EWU about 15 spots this week. I have had discussions with IBY, Rev, Thumper and Southerner about them and Rev brought up some pretty good points in past weeks, and what I saw during the JSU game when watched through the lens he gave me raised questions that I want to see answers for.


It's also never about just that team when i'm slotting it. Teams don't exist in a vacuum. Sure Team X might have met expectations for what they should have done and *could justify* moving up. But lets say teams in front of them also did the same and then a team behind them all of a sudden jumped out and crushed expectations and teams and looked the part. Sorry Team X, you just got jumped. It's nothing you did, it's what happened around you. I have no fear in moving teams up after a loss or down after a win.

Starting this week UNI is on "watch" with me because I have some real questions that need answered and if they aren't answered but they still win I will probably moved them back.

[Professor Chaos]

Doesn't take much for me to think MSU is light years ahead of UM, in more ways than just football. xrulesx Luckily, I read an article where Choate told me that Macomb is IMPOSSIBLE for an OOC to win at (12 years, no home OOC loss I think he said! The Griz would know.... they lost there just last year :D), so the WIU win actually means we're on a YUGE upswing. In fact, we've cancelled the rest of the FCS season and taking the place of the Miami Dolphins in the NFL. The footprint of the Big Sky got a wee bit bigger....
WIU is a tough place to play from what I've heard and seen out of my team when they've played there. You can't fly into there with a charter plane and there aren't any local hotels the can accommodate a full traveling D1 football team and support staff with the necessary meeting space from what I understand. So teams have to fly into the Quad Cities or Peoria, stay there the night before, and then bus the last hour or two to Macomb the morning of the game. On top of that there usually isn't a ton of energy in the stadium so it all leads to some lackadaisical performances from visiting teams.

You can call these excuses and they absolutely are but that doesn't mean they're not true.

[clenz]

Macomb and Terra Haute are tough places to play.

Not because the teams are overly good or anything

It's because they are middle of no where empty stadium spaces. Hard to get too and completely void of any signs of life during a game.

small town high school football games have more energy and life to feed off of than those two places.

[MSUBobcat]

WIU is a tough place to play from what I've heard and seen out of my team when they've played there. You can't fly into there with a charter plane and there aren't any local hotels the can accommodate a full traveling D1 football team and support staff with the necessary meeting space from what I understand. So teams have to fly into the Quad Cities or Peoria, stay there the night before, and then bus the last hour or two to Macomb the morning of the game. On top of that there usually isn't a ton of energy in the stadium so it all leads to some lackadaisical performances from visiting teams.

You can call these excuses and they absolutely are but that doesn't mean they're not true.

Each of those points were literally brought up by Choate as to why it's a hard place to play. "Planes, trains and automobiles to get there", "Atmosphere's not great" - Choate. Also mentioned the hike to the locker room at half not really allowing time for adjustments.

[POD Knows]

I don't drop for who you play, per se.

I use the hated eye test in those cases.

How do you perform vs how I expect you should perform vs that team

Let's use SDSU for example - since I admitted I dropped them 10 spots the last 2 week after they've won 38-10 and 38-3

Two blow out wins that were never "really" in doubt. How can i move someone down for that?

I expected them to win by that margin, or more. So the size of the win does nothing for me

However, I watch SDSU play and they didn't look like a team where I had them. The scoring margin was "right" but the game didn't "play" the way the score did. As i said, there are reasons for that. Some think because of how out of hand APB got last year that Stig/Eck are intentionally doing the opposite to avoid it this year. They are also missing Gibbs. SDSU without Gibbs is not nearly as good as SDSU with Gibbs. SDSU with Gibbs I had at #1. If SDSU has to continue without him (doesn't sound like that much longer (?) then they will move back up the ratings as my eyes will see what should be a top 3-5 team. I refuse to keep SDSU with my #1 vote, or top of the poll in general, simply because they are SDSU. Sorry, don't vote that way. There's a reason I moved EWU about 15 spots this week. I have had discussions with IBY, Rev, Thumper and Southerner about them and Rev brought up some pretty good points in past weeks, and what I saw during the JSU game when watched through the lens he gave me raised questions that I want to see answers for.


It's also never about just that team when i'm slotting it. Teams don't exist in a vacuum. Sure Team X might have met expectations for what they should have done and *could justify* moving up. But lets say teams in front of them also did the same and then a team behind them all of a sudden jumped out and crushed expectations and teams and looked the part. Sorry Team X, you just got jumped. It's nothing you did, it's what happened around you. I have no fear in moving teams up after a loss or down after a win.

Starting this week UNI is on "watch" with me because I have some real questions that need answered and if they aren't answered but they still win I will probably moved them back.
I guess SDSU should have ran the score up to keep their spot in your poll. xlolx

[Redbird 4th & short]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Nicholls State Colonels
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Furman Paladins
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Princeton Tigers
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Youngstown State Penguins
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: Elon Phoenix
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League
ISUr 5th ???

Our defense ... for sure. Our run game, maybe top 10 or 15. But our pass game right now ... yikes.

I would still have us top 20 just based on our defense and run game. But until our pass game emerges, we are not top 10. Teams who can truly stop our run game will have their way with us as of right now. Maybe it gets better.

[Thumper 76]

I can understand why some people are dropping them like rocks. Gibbs needs to come back. They look like a completely different team without him.

To be fair, some of that is they aren’t playing the style people are used to from SDSU either with Nelson playing qb. They’re using him as a game manager and just leaning on these teams with the run game. That said, I dropped them this week as well. Vanilla scheme or not, the intensity simply has not been there. The defense had it vs LIU, but both sides of the ball were lacking vs Drake. We’ll see what happens in the coming weeks.


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[Thumper 76]

Without Gibbs their offense looks not great

Maybe it's fall out from last year's game with APB like others said in a different thread.

Something looks pretty off with them right now though. Gibbs may/probably fixes most of it.

Honestly, even that Minnesota win and Gibbs line from that game I've started to wonder as the season has gone on

There was another level of energy from SDSU that night that we haven't seen even half matched. I'm not going to say "super bowl" type game but it's clear they pulled out almost every stop and whatever else on their game plan.

Minnesota has not looked great. Yes they are 3-0 but it's a double OT win over Fresno and a last 30 second win over Georgia Southern. They haven't exactly been amazing

Gibbs also completed just 50% of his passes against Minnesota. He's clearly better than anyone else SDSU has right now but I still have questions as he made some real bad freshman mistakes in that game. He will grow from them but he is still a freshman.

Maybe I'm too harsh. Maybe others are overlooking issues and not being harsh enough because of the name.

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I’m not even certain it’s the without Gibbs part. Watching the games I haven’t seen even 25% of the play calls from the Gopher game. Everything has been on autopilot and it needs to stop.


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[The Yo Show]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Towson Tigers
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Kennesaw State Owls
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Furman Paladins
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Elon Phoenix
23: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: The Citadel Bulldogs


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The Most Significant Win: The Citadel Bulldogs
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference