Quarterfinal: #5 South Dakota State @ #4 Kennesaw State

[MTfan4life]

Game Date/Time: December 8 @ 2:00 EST (local time) ESPN3

One of those games that makes the FCS quarterfinals so great. Two very different teams from different areas of the country facing off against one another.

[cx500d]

Glad the bunnies have to travel and are matched against a TO team....

[HootyHoo]

Early weather forecast is 44 degrees with a 60% chance of rain.

[paward]

Been high on KSU all year. No reason to stop now.

[Reign of Terrier]

Not voting in this one.

SDSU probably won't have as good of a defense as Wofford against the option, but their offense will be a lot better.

You'll learn a lot more about KSU in this one than any other game of the year. It's the first time they play a good offensive team that is not one dimensional.

[Thumper 76]

This should be a fun game, I’m looking forward to it. Hopefully it’s not my last chance to watch TC play.


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[caribbeanhen]

This should be a fun game, I’m looking forward to it. Hopefully it’s not my last chance to watch TC play.


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CFL games are on TV

[JSUSoutherner]

KSU's season ends here

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SDSU wins this game.

The big difference in the Jacks this year is their defense is much better compared to other playoff runs. They have had some stumbles on defense but they will step IMO for this game. Now if is a monsoon rain that could hamper TC and the passing game but the Jacks also have a pretty potent running game also.

NDSU/SDSU in the semis.

[JSUSoutherner]

SDSU wins this game.

The big difference in the Jacks this year is their defense is much better compared to other playoff runs. They have had some stumbles on defense but they will step IMO for this game. Now if is a monsoon rain that could hamper TC and the passing game but the Jacks also have a pretty potent running game also.

NDSU/SDSU in the semis.I don't think "defense" will be a word that describes this game very well.

I think if SDSU wins it'll be because Tayrn has 400 yards and 5TDs.

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[BisonBacker]

I don't see KSU getting by the rabbit turds. Turds to Fargo for their next attempt to dethrone the Bison in the Semi's.

[ksu_owls]

This one is going to be tough. I know our coaches will have the boys ready but I hope it’s enough. Go Owls!

[Laker]

Bunnies over the Owls.

[Corn_3024]

KSU's season ends here

What a ride it was.

[caribbeanhen]

Although I don't agree with Kenny being seeded over S Dak St, for the sake of football, I'm happy this game will not be played in a blizzard, slop is better wet and 40 degrees....

[katss07]

SDSU, and it might not be close.

[Thumper 76]

Although I don't agree with Kenny being seeded over S Dak St, for the sake of football, I'm happy this game will not be played in a blizzard, slop is better wet and 40 degrees....

You think it would be 40 degrees? xlolx
IMO I would rather see a snow game than a heavy rain game, but that’s just me.


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[NDSU1980]

I think if SDSU wins it'll be because Tayrn has 400 yards and 5TDs.

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I had to read your post twice before I realized you were talking about Taryn having FIVE TD's.xrolleyesx

[Bison56]

I had to read your post twice before I realized you were talking about Taryn having FIVE TD's.xrolleyesx

I thought it said STDs.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

SDSU in a 27-14 type score.

[Theee Catrabbit]

It is our destiny to play NDSU in Fargo...….it's like deja vu all over again

[POD Knows]

Won't happen. POD picked you guys to beat KSU.There is nothing KSU can do to win this game, nothing. It is a foregone conclusion. This isn't a jinx or mojo on SDSU, it is a simple statement of fact. #BOOKIT

[maine612]

Watched a bit of KSU last night. Thinking SDSU will slow them down and win a mid scoring game. 24-17 type.

612

[TheKingpin28]

There is nothing KSU can do to win this game, nothing. It is a foregone conclusion. This isn't a jinx or mojo on SDSU, it is a simple statement of fact. #BOOKITI can't wait to see how Thumper responds to this.

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[katss07]

Will there be more than 500 people at this game? And will ANY Jackrabbit fans make the trip?

[kdinva]

again ESPN can't find room for this game on ESPNU or ESPNnews......

[mmiller_34]

There is nothing KSU can do to win this game, nothing. It is a foregone conclusion. This isn't a jinx or mojo on SDSU, it is a simple statement of fact. #BOOKIT

You serious? Its weird it seems I never agree with you on these topics. SDSU has no chance at winning this game. Literally we are going to turn the ball over 10 times just like JMU last year. Have you seen their option game? No way we stop that. It is destiny that Kennesaw State sees the Fargodome. This will give NDSU fans the memories of the GSU semi final game from a few years back and watching he Biso dominate another option team. #Bookit.

[mmiller_34]

I voted in the poll and chose Kennesaw State.

[POD Knows]

You serious? Its weird it seems I never agree with you on these topics. SDSU has no chance at winning this game. Literally we are going to turn the ball over 10 times just like JMU last year. Have you seen their option game? No way we stop that. It is destiny that Kennesaw State sees the Fargodome. This will give NDSU fans the memories of the GSU semi final game from a few years back and watching he Biso dominate another option team. #Bookit.This is a good effort but it is in vain, I do not see any possible scenario in which SDSU loses this game. SDSU is more physical on both sides of the ball and more balanced on offense. The time of possession will greatly favor SDSU as they get an early 3 TD lead and KSU is forced to throw the ball which will require them to draw plays in the dirt in the huddle. SDSU 35 KSU 10 #BOOKIT

[Reign of Terrier]

MVFC defenses are stellar against the option. However, SDSU has been suspect at times.

As I've already said, SDSU is probably the best, most balanced offense KSU has faced.

I don't agree with people who say this one won't be close. There's too much uncertainty for me to say that. SDSU struggled against Cal Poly's option the last time they played it and KSU has a strong defense.

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[JacksFan40]

MVFC defenses are stellar against the option. However, SDSU has been suspect at times.

As I've already said, SDSU is probably the best, most balanced offense KSU has faced.

I don't agree with people who say this one won't be close. There's too much uncertainty for me to say that. SDSU struggled against Cal Poly's option the last time they played it and KSU has a strong defense.

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That 2016 defense that got shredded by Cal Poly was one of the worst in school history, got shredded quite a bit that year.
This SDSU Defense isn’t NDSU by any means, but they’re much much better than 2016.

[JacksFan40]

Will there be more than 500 people at this game? And will ANY Jackrabbit fans make the trip?
SDSU travels well, not like NDSU but our hardcore fans travel as well as most other teams. We had about 300 at JMU last year, I’d think we can bring at least 100.

[UpstateBison]

MVFC defenses are stellar against the option. However, SDSU has been suspect at times.

As I've already said, SDSU is probably the best, most balanced offense KSU has faced.

I don't agree with people who say this one won't be close. There's too much uncertainty for me to say that. SDSU struggled against Cal Poly's option the last time they played it and KSU has a strong defense.

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This is the best offense KSU has faced. The option is not tough to defend if the defense is disciplined.

[jsualumnus]

KSU gettin spanked in this one.

[cx500d]

You serious? Its weird it seems I never agree with you on these topics. SDSU has no chance at winning this game. Literally we are going to turn the ball over 10 times just like JMU last year. Have you seen their option game? No way we stop that. It is destiny that Kennesaw State sees the Fargodome. This will give NDSU fans the memories of the GSU semi final game from a few years back and watching he Biso dominate another option team. #Bookit.


When was the last time SDSU beat an option team?

[CappinHard]

When was the last time SDSU beat an option team?

2014 vs. Cal Poly, 44-18. 2016 we lost to Cal Poly 31-38.

[Birdman_]

SDSU is the best team KSU has played this year, and this is the first game where I wouldn't be surprised if we lost handily. With that said, match ups are important, and there is quite a bit of uncertainty on both sides of the ball from a match up perspective considering how few good teams KSU has played. KSU's regular season schedule was awful, so this is the type of match up many KSU fans have been craving. Win or lose, it's a great opportunity to learn and see how we fare against a highly regarded program. Excited for the game.

[cx500d]

KSU needs to find out where SDSU is staying, and have all the rooms stocked with Joose.

[FUBeAR]

SDSU is the best team KSU has played this year, and this is the first game where I wouldn't be surprised if we lost handily. With that said, match ups are important, and there is quite a bit of uncertainty on both sides of the ball from a match up perspective considering how few good teams KSU has played. KSU's regular season schedule was awful, so this is the type of match up many KSU fans have been craving. Win or lose, it's a great opportunity to learn and see how we fare against a highly regarded program. Excited for the game.I haven’t seen SDSU play much this year, but I do KNOW that it is VERY difficult to prepare for the KSU/Citadel/JaxU/Army/Navy/GT version of the Option O if your Team has not played against it before.

See CIT @ Bama. I think everyone would agree that Alabama has a pretty good D, but all except 1 of CIT’s 5 1st half possessions covered around 40 yards with 3 of those being 8-12 play drives, and 2 of them resulting in scores. Bulldogs 10 - #1 in the land Tide 10 at halftime. Bama figured it out after half, limiting CIT to 1 decent drive in the 2nd half...and that was in ‘garbage time.’

Your D can be full of 4 & 5 Stars, but you still can’t get anything close to ‘a decent look’ from your Scout Team in terms of executing the complexity of the meshes, ball fakes, and pitches at anything approaching ‘game speed’ AND you have to make a decision if your are going to allow your Scout Team to cut block in practice. Lose someone to an injury in practice & you’ve hurt yourself. Don’t practice facing cut blocks & spend the 1st half (or longer) of the game trying to figure out how to avoid/defeat them.

Wofford knows how to defend the option. They live it every day themselves and see it in the SoCon from CIT and Furman (to a lesser extent). KSU’s O’s performance against Wofford will have no bearing on their game with SDSU. On the other hand, the Owls D can definitely defend the run. I wish Samford had tested them more with the pass, so we would have a better idea of their D’s ability to defend a good Passing O, but, for some reason, Samford only threw 56% of their average number of passes in all other games, when they played the Owls.

So, if KSU can leverage their Offense’s unfamiliarity advantage, execute it well; they could stake themselves to a 2-3 score 1st half lead & then hope their D can hang on, while their O ‘lets the air out of the ball’ in the 2nd half. If SDSU is able to contain KSU early, it could get a little ugly. As a fan of Option Football, I’m going to hope for the former.

[TheKingpin28]

KSU needs to find out where SDSU is staying, and have all the rooms stocked with Joose.

This and more of this!

[Birdman_]

I haven’t seen SDSU play much this year, but I do KNOW that it is VERY difficult to prepare for the KSU/Citadel/JaxU/Army/Navy/GT version of the Option O if your Team has not played against it before.

See CIT @ Bama. I think everyone would agree that Alabama has a pretty good D, but all except 1 of CIT’s 5 1st half possessions covered around 40 yards with 3 of those being 8-12 play drives, and 2 of them resulting in scores. Bulldogs 10 - #1 in the land Tide 10 at halftime. Bama figured it out after half, limiting CIT to 1 decent drive in the 2nd half...and that was in ‘garbage time.’

Your D can be full of 4 & 5 Stars, but you still can’t get anything close to ‘a decent look’ from your Scout Team in terms of executing the complexity of the meshes, ball fakes, and pitches at anything approaching ‘game speed’ AND you have to make a decision if your are going to allow your Scout Team to cut block in practice. Lose someone to an injury in practice & you’ve hurt yourself. Don’t practice facing cut blocks & spend the 1st half (or longer) of the game trying to figure out how to avoid/defeat them.

Wofford knows how to defend the option. They live it every day themselves and see it in the SoCon from CIT and Furman (to a lesser extent). KSU’s O’s performance against Wofford will have no bearing on their game with SDSU. On the other hand, the Owls D can definitely defend the run. I wish Samford had tested them more with the pass, so we would have a better idea of their D’s ability to defend a good Passing O, but, for some reason, Samford only threw 56% of their average number of passes in all other games, when they played the Owls.

So, if KSU can leverage their Offense’s unfamiliarity advantage, execute it well; they could stake themselves to a 2-3 score 1st half lead & then hope their D can hang on, while their O ‘lets the air out of the ball’ in the 2nd half. If SDSU is able to contain KSU early, it could get a little ugly. As a fan of Option Football, I’m going to hope for the former.

Had a similar though re: Wofford and Samford. Wofford's running style is certainly different, but I think we've proven we're good against the run. While Samford may not have passed as much as normal, they are probably the most comparable passing offense to SDSU that we've played. KSU's defense has looked best when the offense isn't balanced, and while KSU has been ok at defending the pass, we're better at defending against the run. JSU is probably the best comparison KSU has for this game in terms of a good team with a balanced offense. Different styles, of course, but JSU was able to move the ball fairly easily in the air. SDSU's passing game is much better than JSU's, but SDSU's ability to keep us on our toes will probably be the hardest thing for us to defend, which is why the JSU game is important to look at, rather than looking at Wofford and Samford in their respective vacuums.

[swaghook]

It will be an interesting game to say the least. Can SDSU match NDSU in it's ability to defend the triple O and win. It's really too bad SDSU ended up on the Bison side of the bracket it could have been an epic battle in Frisco. Now even though the odds makers are favoring SDSU I just don't think they will defend the triple O well enough to win.

[FUBeAR]

Had a similar though re: Wofford and Samford. Wofford's running style is certainly different, but I think we've proven we're good against the run. While Samford may not have passed as much as normal, they are probably the most comparable passing offense to SDSU that we've played. KSU's defense has looked best when the offense isn't balanced, and while KSU has been ok at defending the pass, we're better at defending against the run. JSU is probably the best comparison KSU has for this game in terms of a good team with a balanced offense. Different styles, of course, but JSU was able to move the ball fairly easily in the air. SDSU's passing game is much better than JSU's, but SDSU's ability to keep us on our toes will probably be the hardest thing for us to defend, which is why the JSU game is important to look at, rather than looking at Wofford and Samford in their respective vacuums.Looking at their stats, SDSU is decidedly balanced. Looks like UNI and ISUr were able to shut down their run game, with UNI taking a win in the process. NDSU was also more effective in stopping their rushing attack and also won the game, their ONLY win...that week. If Owls don’t stop the run, they will lose badly...as most Teams did vs. the bunnies. They should be able to have some effectiveness in doing that, based on what I saw yesterday.

So, if they can execute on all cylinders on O, especially early. Do what they do on RunD (as well as they did vs. Woffy), have an exceptional day on PassD, (BTW...sending 7 as they did, often, against Woffy will probably not be a good idea, as I would imagine SDSU’s Pass O is much more sophisticated than Woffy’s & their OLine is probably much more exp’d), and, of course, be solid on Special Teams; the Owls can win this one.

[cx500d]

Looking at their stats, SDSU is decidedly balanced. Looks like UNI and ISUr were able to shut down their run game, with UNI taking a win in the process. NDSU was also more effective in stopping their rushing attack and also won the game, their ONLY win...that week. If Owls don’t stop the run, they will lose badly...as most Teams did vs. the bunnies. They should be able to have some effectiveness in doing that, based on what I saw yesterday.

So, if they can execute on all cylinders on O, especially early. Do what they do on RunD (as well as they did vs. Woffy), have an exceptional day on PassD, (BTW...sending 7 as they did, often, against Woffy will probably not be a good idea, as I would imagine SDSU’s Pass O is much more sophisticated than Woffy’s & their OLine is probably much more exp’d), and, of course, be solid on Special Teams; the Owls can win this one.

The neighborhood kids that play in the park pass O that only has one play, "everyone go out for a pass," is more sophisticated than Wofford's.

[JacksFan40]

It will be an interesting game to say the least. Can SDSU match NDSU in it's ability to defend the triple O and win. It's really too bad SDSU ended up on the Bison side of the bracket it could have been an epic battle in Frisco. Now even though the odds makers are favoring SDSU I just don't think they will defend the triple O well enough to win.
Will KSU stop SDSU’s offense enough to win?
This is the most balanced SDSU Offense since 2014 with Sumner and Zenner. You can stop the run but that’ll leave opening in the passing game, try and stop the pass and Pierre Strong and Mikey Daniel will slice right through you.

[ST_Lawson]

Will KSU stop SDSU’s offense enough to win?
This is the most balanced SDSU Offense since 2014 with Sumner and Zenner. You can stop the run but that’ll leave opening in the passing game, try and stop the pass and Pierre Strong and Mikey Daniel will slice right through you.

It's like the announcers on the broadcast were saying on Saturday...Strong was like...what...#4 RB at the start of the season. SDSU's #4 and #5 guys are better than most teams starters.

[Ivytalk]

SDSU ends Kennesaw’s season by 6.

[Theee Catrabbit]

It's like the announcers on the broadcast were saying on Saturday...Strong was like...what...#4 RB at the start of the season. SDSU's #4 and #5 guys are better than most teams starters.

I picked Strong to be the starter by the end of the year. He is a faster Zenner. Cj Wilson is a burner with some moves, but Pierre Strong just seems to hit that hole one cut and he's gone, he reminds me so much of Zenner(probably why I instantly liked him) Don't get me wrong we could still use CJ on the field right now without a doubt. Great thing about both CJ and Pierre? Both Freshman.xthumbsupx

SDSU cleans house on this game. 34-14(Option.....ugh....we hates it!)

[FUBeAR]

The neighborhood kids that play in the park pass O that only has one play, "everyone go out for a pass," is more sophisticated than Wofford's.
Oh yeah....well...well...well...I got nuthin’

[FUBeAR]

You can stop the run but that’ll leave opening in the passing game, try and stop the pass and Pierre Strong and Mikey Daniel will slice right through you.Yet they lost to a Team with 6 losses & went to OT with another 4 loss Team.

I have no idea if KSU’s Secondary is up to the challenge, but their front 7 on D seemed plenty stout enough against the #4 Rushing O in FCS. Well, it was really Front 8, as they had a rolled down Safety in the box, most of the game, which I’m sure they won’t do vs. SDSU, as a base D. SDSU is obviously strong on the ground with the #18 Rushing O & they have the #17 Passing Attack. As Birdman (I think) stated JaxSt is the closest decent & well balanced O KSU has played this season (#25 Rushing & #11 Passing). KSU held them to 24 points in regulation & 96 yards rushing, but gave up over 300 thru the air.

So...we’ll see if the Owls have enough to get it done on D vs. the bunnies.

[Thumper 76]

This is a good effort but it is in vain, I do not see any possible scenario in which SDSU loses this game. SDSU is more physical on both sides of the ball and more balanced on offense. The time of possession will greatly favor SDSU as they get an early 3 TD lead and KSU is forced to throw the ball which will require them to draw plays in the dirt in the huddle. SDSU 35 KSU 10 #BOOKIT

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[BisonFan02]

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Did you type all that yourself? I bet there are some random dirty words in there

[CappinHard]

Yet they lost to a Team with 6 losses & went to OT with another 4 loss Team.

I have no idea if KSU’s Secondary is up to the challenge, but their front 7 on D seemed plenty stout enough against the #4 Rushing O in FCS. Well, it was really Front 8, as they had a rolled down Safety in the box, most of the game, which I’m sure they won’t do vs. SDSU, as a base D. SDSU is obviously strong on the ground with the #18 Rushing O & they have the #17 Passing Attack. As Birdman (I think) stated JaxSt is the closest decent & well balanced O KSU has played this season (#25 Rushing & #11 Passing). KSU held them to 24 points in regulation & 96 yards rushing, but gave up over 300 thru the air.

So...we’ll see if the Owls have enough to get it done on D vs. the bunnies.

JSU's offense may be balanced like SDSU's, but let's not act like those #25 and #11 rankings aren't against weak competition. Other than both being balanced, there's not much of a comparison.

[Thumper 76]

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Did you type all that yourself? I bet there are some random dirty words in there

Fixed. My bad.


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[BisonFan02]

Fixed. My bad.


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Fix it back. xlolx

[CappinHard]

SDSU ends Kennesaw’s season by 6 TDs.

Fify. 52-10.

[Thumper 76]

Fix it back. xlolx

Well I did have to fix my fix of my fix so........


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[Thumper 76]

Fify. 45-10.

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[CappinHard]

It will be an interesting game to say the least. Can SDSU match NDSU in it's ability to defend the triple O and win. It's really too bad SDSU ended up on the Bison side of the bracket it could have been an epic battle in Frisco. Now even though the odds makers are favoring SDSU I just don't think they will defend the triple O well enough to win.

1. Lol, you don't question if SDSU can simply defend the triple option... Rather you question whether SDSU can match NDSU's ability to stop it. xdrunkyx So conceited and self absorbed that it's entertaining.

2. You keep hoping and wishing KSU will knock off SDSU so we don't take a trip to Fargo in 2 weeks. We both know that SDSU is the last team that NDSU wants to see coming to Fargo.

[CappinHard]

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[cx500d]

1. Lol, you don't question if SDSU can simply defend the triple option... Rather you question whether SDSU can match NDSU's ability to stop it. xdrunkyx So conceited and self absorbed that it's entertaining.

2. You keep hoping and wishing KSU will knock off SDSU so we don't take a trip to Fargo in 2 weeks. We both know that SDSU is the last team that NDSU wants to see coming to Fargo.


Why would we want to see a team we've played like, 2,998 times, over a team we've never played? Getting Colgate this weekend is like a breath of fresh air.

[swaghook]

We both know that SDSU is the last team that NDSU wants to see coming to Fargo. My memory is not perfect but I do believe the rabbits have done worse in play off games against NDSU then the triple option teams that have come to Fargo in the play offs. It really does not matter who NDSU has to take out on the way they have to beat them all to hoist the trophy.

[Thumper 76]

My memory is not perfect but I do believe the rabbits have done worse in play off games against NDSU then the triple option teams that have come to Fargo in the play offs. It really does not matter who NDSU has to take out on the way they have to beat them all to hoist the trophy.

Then why all the bitching by bison fans and their media about how the bracket was set up?


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[Thumper 76]

Why would we want to see a team we've played like, 2,998 times, over a team we've never played? Getting Colgate this weekend is like a breath of fresh air.

That and a first time in he dome team=much easier win


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[CappinHard]

Why would we want to see a team we've played like, 2,998 times, over a team we've never played? Getting Colgate this weekend is like a breath of fresh air.

I'm sure it would be nice getting the team you've never played before so you could basically rest your starters in the semifinals, instead of getting the team you've played 2,998 times before and being in a dog fight in the semifinals.

[CappinHard]

It really does not matter who NDSU has to take out on the way they have to beat them all to hoist the trophy.

https://y.yarn.co/7ff06f75-fa2b-4ddf-8602-b668782839a0_text.gif

[swaghook]

Then why all the bitching by bison fans and their media about how the bracket was set up?

There are fans who complain about everything. Even when we win like we did against MSU. Maybe the media just wants to see a new team to report on, who knows.

[Thumper 76]

xrolleyesx spare me.

HUGE missed gif opportunity SMH


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[TheKingpin28]

Fix it back. xlolx

Quotes live forever.

[TheKingpin28]

There are fans who complain about everything. Even when we win like we did against MSU. Maybe the media just wants to see a new team to report on, who knows.

Any non-bisonville fan will honestly tell you that they don't want to see SDSU. Put down the kool-aid and take of the color-tinted glasses and realize that SDSU is the only team, outside of maybe EWU who can give them a fight. EWU has the offense to keep up, but I don't think they have the defense to match the offense. This SDSU team is looking the 2014 team that should have beat NDSU, but RJ came to the rescue. That's not to say NDSU can't/won't win, should they meet each other, it's just more of a, this is the only team I was worried about coming into the playoffs. Pierre Strong and TC are a hell of a duo in the backfield and they remind me a lot of Crockett The Rocket and Carson Wentz. I wouldn't say Stick and Dunn/Fraizer/Anderson and Crockett was the last of the 3 down backs and I'm guessing the next one will be Clark. This SDSU team is set up to beat their opponents with either running or passing the ball, unlike last year where you knew if you could get pressure on TC, Wieneke and Goedert would be slowed down.

[CappinHard]

HUGE missed gif opportunity SMH


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You're right. Fixed it.

[Thumper 76]

A real question to ask about this game is which SDSU road team shows up? It’s a real pattern that nobody’s brought up yet. Starting with the first playoff game, that happened, the EWU ass whooping, then two bad ones in Fargo I can remember, another bad half in Montana, and of course the recent one that happened. That’s 6 out of 7 road losses where the Jacks looked BAD for at least a half. They are balanced out with some good wins like at NAU, at Montana State, and a heartbreaker at ndsu in 14 I think. This is a trend that has to stop. It’s a very disturbing trend going against an offense designed to make you make mistakes. If you play a bad half against an option team it can get ugly.

One thing I’ve noticed from casually following KSU this year, at least from a score watching perspective, they seem to start slow. It makes sense with the run, run, and run again style of play. Very similar to ndsu historically where they pull away in the second half when the defense gets wore down. If the Jacks jump out to an early 2 score lead it will be interesting to see how KSU responds. At what point does an option team have to start slinging the ball? KSU has a good defense that has allowed this style of play to be extremely effective so far. For me I have a hard time really putting a finger on just how good that defense is though. Objectively the best offense they’ve played against was probably JSU when it comes to a two dimensional attack, but we’ve seen what a good defense can do to them against Maine. The defense looked pretty stout against Wofford, but that’s against another option team and generally option vs option doesn’t lead to high scoring games. Is their defense at a UNI/ndsu level or more along the lines of a real good but not great defense? If it’s the latter then they might be needing to rely on their offense making this game like YSU/SDSU last year. If it’s top notch, they have a good chance at making this a dogfight. Should be fun to see how the KSU defense stacks up against an offense that’s averaging 45.4 ppg and has been held to single digits one time.


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[Thumper 76]

You're right. Fixed it.

There you go. It’s the playoffs, gotta bring the A game.


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[BisonFan02]

There you go. It’s the playoffs, gotta bring the A game.


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In the time it took him to find that gif, TC brought is C game and threw another pick. Playoffs or something.

[Lorne_Malvo]

Any non-bisonville fan will honestly tell you that they don't want to see SDSU. Put down the kool-aid and take of the color-tinted glasses and realize that SDSU is the only team, outside of maybe EWU who can give them a fight. EWU has the offense to keep up, but I don't think they have the defense to match the offense. This SDSU team is looking the 2014 team that should have beat NDSU, but RJ came to the rescue. That's not to say NDSU can't/won't win, should they meet each other, it's just more of a, this is the only team I was worried about coming into the playoffs. Pierre Strong and TC are a hell of a duo in the backfield and they remind me a lot of Crockett The Rocket and Carson Wentz. I wouldn't say Stick and Dunn/Fraizer/Anderson and Crockett was the last of the 3 down backs and I'm guessing the next one will be Clark. This SDSU team is set up to beat their opponents with either running or passing the ball, unlike last year where you knew if you could get pressure on TC, Wieneke and Goedert would be slowed down.

If not for NDSU, SDSU probably would have won at least 2 Championships in the last 7 years. They get a **** deal every year getting send to Fargo. Hope one day it can be a all Dakota game in Frisco.

[TheKingpin28]

If not for NDSU, SDSU probably would have won at least 2 Championships in the last 7 years. They get a **** deal every year getting send to Fargo. Hope one day it can be a all Dakota game in Frisco.

I'd go to that one in a heartbeat. Hell of a dogfight. 14 could have been the year they won it all too. That was a damn good team. The thing is, Thumper will attest to this, but if they just won their games, and did a 1 FBS, 1 FCS mid tier, and a cupcake and go 7-1 in the Valley, they would always be looking at a Top 4 seed at 9-2 and could potentially, depending on how things play out, be a Top 2 seed if they took the scalp and went 10-1.

[FUBeAR]

So...there seems to be some thinking that the SDSU that came south just last year about this time, turned the ball over 10 times, and got completely waxed, may be the same Team that shows up hard by the Kennesaw Mountain National Battlefield this coming Saturday.

I did watch that game last year & the bunnies were absolutely the opposite of ept. Looks like their 2017 season was very similar to the 2018 season so far.

What caused SDSU to no-show in that 2017 game?

Why won’t the 2018 SDSU Team suffer the same performance failure this trip below the Mason Dixon?

[Bisonwinagn]

So...there seems to be some thinking that that the SDSU that came south just last year about this time, turned the ball over 10 times, and got completely waxed, may be the same Team that shows up hard by the Kennesaw Mountain National Battlefield this coming Saturday.

I did watch that game last year & the bunnies were absolutely the opposite of ept. Looks like their 2017 season was very similar to the 2018 season so far.

What caused SDSU to no-show in that 2017 game?

Why won’t the 2018 SDSU Team suffer the same performance failure this trip below the Mason Dixon?

They could lose, but KSU's defense is no where close to what JMU was last year. Huge difference.

[CappinHard]

So...there seems to be some thinking that that the SDSU that came south just last year about this time, turned the ball over 10 times, and got completely waxed, may be the same Team that shows up hard by the Kennesaw Mountain National Battlefield this coming Saturday.

I did watch that game last year & the bunnies were absolutely the opposite of ept. Looks like their 2017 season was very similar to the 2018 season so far.

What caused SDSU to no-show in that 2017 game?

Why won’t the 2018 SDSU Team suffer the same performance failure this trip below the Mason Dixon?

TC may or may not have had a significant wrist injury that wasn't and still hasn't been disclosed(he definitely did). That's one difference. Also, you're kidding yourself if you think KSU has a defense equivalent to 2017 JMU.

Do you really think that geography is what made the difference in that game? Tell me you're not that naive.

[dewey]

They could lose, but KSU's defense is no where close to what JMU was last year. Huge difference.

Agreed. That JMU defense was one of the top couple last year with multiple all Americans across the board as well as playing in one of the best conferences.

Kennesaw State my have a good defense but it is not on the same level as last years JMU team.

Dewey

[Bisonator]

This is an interesting match up. If KSU can control the ball and keep SDSU's offense off the field and no turnovers I think they have a good chance at winning. On the other hand if they get behind early it's going to be hard to come back running that TO. I think SDSU jumps on them and wins convincingly by 2-3 scores.

[FUBeAR]

Agreed. That JMU defense was one of the top coolest year with multiple all Americans across the board as well as playing in one of the best conferences.

Kennesaw State my have a good defense but it is not on the same level as last years JMU team.

Dewey
Yep - looks like the Dukes lost 7 Sr. starters off that D, which only yielded 10 points/game through their 1st 13 games, while this year’s D yielded 15 ppg over their 13 games. Still very good, but not crazy good like the 2017 JMU D.

By comparison, KSU’s 2018 D is yielding 14 ppg, but with their primarily very weak schedule, that doesn’t tell us a lot. If we look at their only 4 competitive (FCS Top 20-or-so-quality) games (GaSt, Samford, JaxSt, Wofford), they gave up 17 ppg (in regulation). Not bad, but not 2017 JMU-level.

So, I definitely won’t be looking for a repeat of that 51-16 beat-down that JMU put on SDSU last year.

[dewey]

Yep - looks like the Dukes lost 7 Sr. starters off that D, which only yielded 10 points/game through their 1st 13 games, while this year’s D yielded 15 ppg over their 13 games. Still very good, but not crazy good like the 2017 JMU D.

By comparison, KSU’s 2018 D is yielding 14 ppg, but with their primarily very weak schedule, that doesn’t tell us a lot. If we look at their only 4 competitive (FCS Top 20-or-so-quality) games (GaSt, Samford, JaxSt, Wofford), they gave up 17 ppg (in regulation). Not bad, but not 2017 JMU-level.

So, I definitely won’t be looking for a repeat of that 51-16 beat-down that JMU put on SDSU last year.

I hope Kennesaw State beats down SDSU worse than JMU last year but I dont think it will happen.

Dewey

[ElCid]

This is an interesting match up. If KSU can control the ball and keep SDSU's offense off the field and no turnovers I think they have a good chance at winning. On the other hand if they get behind early it's going to be hard to come back running that TO. I think SDSU jumps on them and wins convincingly by 2-3 scores.

Maybe on average, but the idea that the option prevents any hope of rapid scoring is a myth. I can dig out lots if games where we scored, offensively, a lot of points quickly. Especially once the opponents D was gassed. Not saying they will do that here, but I am pretty sure their O is explosive enough to put up points fast. The key question here is how deep is the SDSU D. Or how long can they stay on the field before they start making mistakes in assignments. The thing about the option, is its toll physically AND mentally.

[FUBeAR]

Maybe on average, but the idea that the option prevents any hope of rapid scoring is a myth. I can dig out lots if games where we scored, offensively, a lot of points quickly. Especially once the opponents D was gassed. Not saying they will do that here, but I am pretty sure their O is explosive enough to put up points fast. The key question here is how deep is the SDSU D. Or how long can they stay on the field before they start making mistakes in assignments. The thing about the option, is its toll physically AND mentally.
And ‘ocularly’ - if any 1 Defensive Player’s eye-discipline fails on any 1 reasonably well-executed triple-option play, it’s very likely 6 points or a long gain. I wonder how much SDSU’s Defensive Player’s have have had to play with intense, unfailing eye-discipline during their careers. Has SDSU played a ‘true’ option Team since 2004 when GaSou trounced them 63-7 and put up 461 yards rushing?



Note: GaSou was not running Option in ‘09 when SDSU beat them; that was Chris Hatcher’s final year running his “Hatch Attack” there

[Thumper 76]

And ‘ocularly’ - if any 1 Defensive Player’s eye-discipline fails on any 1 reasonably well-executed triple-option play, it’s very likely 6 points or a long gain. I wonder how much SDSU’s Defensive Player’s have have had to play with intense, unfailing eye-discipline during their careers. Has SDSU played a ‘true’ option Team since 2004 when GaSou trounced them 63-7 and put up 461 yards rushing?



Note: GaSou was not running Option in ‘09 when SDSU beat them; that was Chris Hatcher’s final year running his “Hatch Attack” there

Yes, we’ve played Cal Poly twice. Handled it well in 2014 and handled it poorly in 2016. This edition of SDSU defense is one of the best we’ve had against the run, and best in general. The addition of Snyder at safety has been a big plus for that, the man fills on run plays like a thunderbolt. We have a real good young d line and a real solid core of lbs. The issue will be staying disciplined to their assignments and our coaches not having a dumb alignment put in to play the option.


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[Bison56]

I hope Kennesaw State beats down SDSU worse than JMU last year but I dont think it will happen.

Dewey

I have the same hope xthumbsupx

[FUBeAR]

Yes, we’ve played Cal Poly twice. Handled it well in 2014 and handled it poorly in 2016. This edition of SDSU defense is one of the best we’ve had against the run, and best in general. The addition of Snyder at safety has been a big plus for that, the man fills on run plays like a thunderbolt. We have a real good young d line and a real solid core of lbs. The issue will be staying disciplined to their assignments and our coaches not having a dumb alignment put in to play the option.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkGood deal. I saw CalPoly lose to non-schollie San Diego in the Playoffs in 2016. Did they beat SDSU that year? Crazy, if so.

Anyway, their triple option is the ‘right’ version of the option to approximate KSU’s. I think there is some connection there thru Army, maybe. So, that will certainly help. I’m sure very few, if any, of those 2014 Players are still playing, but I imagine a good many of those 2016 Players are still on the field. So, they’ve prepared for it and seen it at game speed. That is a BIG plus.

2 Safeties that get downhill in a hurry, can beat blocks, and make sure tackles are absolute musts. Some teams, and this is what FUBeAR recommends, will take a Safety, like the one you are describing, and align him in a ‘snakeeye’ LB set - 6 yards or so deep & directly over the Center - too deep to cut & very hard for OLmen climbing to the 2nd level to get to him...and have him run ‘right now’ to flow on every play with QB responsibility. I’m sure KSU has seen that, but it is tough for Option Teams to deal with it. I hear you about changing alignments and positions, but it really is different and the best option-stopping Coach I know has moved DE’s inside, moved LB’s to DE, put an xtra LB on the field, and rolled 1 of his Safeties down to LB, as described. When CIT was tearing up everyone in 2015, he shut ‘em down cold with this alignment.

Will be fun to see what SDSU does this Sat.

[ksu_owls]

I want to be as realistic as possible about this game, but man this is going to be tough. I saw the line opened at SDSU -9.5 which I think is pretty fair. If they do have issues stopping our run, we can win the game. If their D plays the TO as well as Wofford's D then we all know this will be ugly. I know our defense is good but probably not 2017 JMU good, that doesn't mean we can't sneak away with a turnover or two. I think we'll need that if we are going to find a way to win. Anything is possible!

[clawman]

When SDSU handles KSU (little doubt) and Weber beats Maine 73% https://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=300937&oid0=8636&h=0&s1=300937&oid1=4319 it will be MVFC and Big Sky semi's. For whatever that is worth.

[Thumper 76]

I want to be as realistic as possible about this game, but man this is going to be tough. I saw the line opened at SDSU -9.5 which I think is pretty fair. If they do have issues stopping our run, we can win the game. If their D plays the TO as well as Wofford's D then we all know this will be ugly. I know our defense is good but probably not 2017 JMU good, that doesn't mean we can't sneak away with a turnover or two. I think we'll need that if we are going to find a way to win. Anything is possible!

I don’t think we handle the option as well as Wofford did. There’s a legit possibility this plays out like the Poly game in 16. Close game down to the wire. I hope it doesn’t, but you never know. I certainly think with the offense that KSU runs it will be our defenses toughest game of the year so far.


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[CappinHard]

The most interesting thing to me will be whether our D coordinator and Stig are willing to stray from our base 4-3 look that imo would put a team in a disadvantage against the TO right from the start. We better be stacking the box and daring KSU to throw the ball. I will lose my mind if we come out in our base defense, which is what we do 99% of the time.

[Thumper 76]

The most interesting thing to me will be whether our D coordinator and Stig are willing to stray from our base 4-3 look that imo would put a team in a disadvantage against the TO right from the start. We better be stacking the box and daring KSU to throw the ball. I will lose my mind if we come out in our base defense, which is what we do 99% of the time.

Our D philosophy has shown that we are extremely stubborn. That’s what worries me the most. Our defensive mindset:

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ja7JeOKluQfYs/giphy.gif


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[Gil Dobie]

SDSU wins this game.

The big difference in the Jacks this year is their defense is much better compared to other playoff runs. They have had some stumbles on defense but they will step IMO for this game. Now if is a monsoon rain that could hamper TC and the passing game but the Jacks also have a pretty potent running game also.

NDSU/SDSU in the semis.

MVFC & Big Sky Semi's

[JacksFan40]

I want to be as realistic as possible about this game, but man this is going to be tough. I saw the line opened at SDSU -9.5 which I think is pretty fair. If they do have issues stopping our run, we can win the game. If their D plays the TO as well as Wofford's D then we all know this will be ugly. I know our defense is good but probably not 2017 JMU good, that doesn't mean we can't sneak away with a turnover or two. I think we'll need that if we are going to find a way to win. Anything is possible!
It’s not even that JMU’s D played that great against us, we handed them the ball 10 freaking times. I don’t see SDSU turning it over 10 times Saturday, I don’t see it happening ever again actually.

[JacksFan40]

If the coaches realize we need to stack the box and force KSU to pass, we’ll dominate them. SDSU has more talent on both sides of the ball, our game plan will be the big factor. If we sit back in our base defense, KSU will get 5-7 yards a carry and it’ll be a Cal Poly repeat.

[ksu_owls]

If the coaches realize we need to stack the box and force KSU to pass, we’ll dominate them. SDSU has more talent on both sides of the ball, our game plan will be the big factor. If we sit back in our base defense, KSU will get 5-7 yards a carry and it’ll be a Cal Poly repeat.

I can already tell that SDSU might be the most realistic fan base we've ever played (seriously). Instead of "your small OL/DL will get PUMMELED by our hogs" mentality that every other good team we've played has, you guys so far have fairly pointed out your strengths and weaknesses. It would be easy for you guys to trash talk the hell out of us... especially given the odds are super against us.

I think we will have spurts of success on offense, but with your talent on D I could see us having some soul crushing three and outs. I don't know what we'll come up with to try and interrupt your offensive rhythm, but I know we'll try our best. The only way to win this game for the Owls is to control the clock with some long scoring drives. You stop our run consistently then our defense will be gassed by half time.

[Bison56]

I can already tell that SDSU might be the most realistic fan base we've ever played (seriously). Instead of "your small OL/DL will get PUMMELED by our hogs" mentality that every other good team we've played has, you guys so far have fairly pointed out your strengths and weaknesses. It would be easy for you guys to trash talk the hell out of us... especially given the odds are super against us.

I think we will have spurts of success on offense, but with your talent on D I could see us having some soul crushing three and outs. I don't know what we'll come up with to try and interrupt your offensive rhythm, but I know we'll try our best. The only way to win this game for the Owls is to control the clock with some long scoring drives. You stop our run consistently then our defense will be gassed by half time.

They are all just sandbaggers.xthumbsupx

[Birdman_]

I can already tell that SDSU might be the most realistic fan base we've ever played (seriously). Instead of "your small OL/DL will get PUMMELED by our hogs" mentality that every other good team we've played has, you guys so far have fairly pointed out your strengths and weaknesses. It would be easy for you guys to trash talk the hell out of us... especially given the odds are super against us.

I think we will have spurts of success on offense, but with your talent on D I could see us having some soul crushing three and outs. I don't know what we'll come up with to try and interrupt your offensive rhythm, but I know we'll try our best. The only way to win this game for the Owls is to control the clock with some long scoring drives. You stop our run consistently then our defense will be gassed by half time.

Couldn't agree more - this thread has been very informative and enjoyable thus far. Wish I could add more to the conversation, but I'm just simply not familiar enough with the Jacks to be able to add much in the way of valuable insight from a match up perspective. I could elaborate a bit on our guys, but we'll really learn a lot from this game in terms of how good we really are. With that said, I our linebackers are really our strength on defense. Gore and Armstrong seem to be in the mix every play. On offense Chandler is very smart with the football, and he usually makes the right read, even if it means eating it for a loss. Our success on offense has always relied on speed, and unsurprisingly, fast defenses can slow us down. While we have rarely passed the ball this season, and Chandler has thrown more picks than we'd like this year, we have the ability to be more successful than the typical option team in the air (we showed this more last season, but the personnel is largely the same). We are also very deep at slot back, and you'll probably notice that we split carries between 6+ backs, most of which are unbelievably fast and have the ability to break a lot of tackles. SDSU is obviously a totally different challenge than the other teams we've faced, so will be interesting to see how KSU deals with the adversity.

[Thumper 76]

I can already tell that SDSU might be the most realistic fan base we've ever played (seriously). Instead of "your small OL/DL will get PUMMELED by our hogs" mentality that every other good team we've played has, you guys so far have fairly pointed out your strengths and weaknesses. It would be easy for you guys to trash talk the hell out of us... especially given the odds are super against us.

I think we will have spurts of success on offense, but with your talent on D I could see us having some soul crushing three and outs. I don't know what we'll come up with to try and interrupt your offensive rhythm, but I know we'll try our best. The only way to win this game for the Owls is to control the clock with some long scoring drives. You stop our run consistently then our defense will be gassed by half time.

If anything I know that a small line doesn’t necessarily equate into a bad line. Your numbers against even good teams speak for themselves. You don’t end up putting up as many points as you guys do without having some good line play. I also think most of us realize that line size doesn’t mean much when it comes to an option team. We are a weary bunch up here, every time we get real confident we end up laying an egg it seems, and every year we drop games we shouldn’t (UNI this year). So we aren’t as loud in our confidence as our neighbors north of us. I believe I listed the amount of eggs we’ve laid on the road in the playoffs already, so you can see why we have some hesitation.


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[POD Knows]

If anything I know that a small line doesn’t necessarily equate into a bad line. Your numbers against even good teams speak for themselves. You don’t end up putting up as many points as you guys do without having some good line play. I also think most of us realize that line size doesn’t mean much when it comes to an option team. We are a weary bunch up here, every time we get real confident we end up laying an egg it seems, and every year we drop games we shouldn’t (UNI this year). So we aren’t as loud in our confidence as our neighbors north of us. I believe I listed the amount of eggs we’ve laid on the road in the playoffs already, so you can see why we have some hesitation.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI have SDSU at 2-7 on the road in FCS playoffs, does that sound about right?

[Jacks02]

I have SDSU at 2-7 on the road in FCS playoffs, does that sound about right?

Yeah, that's right.



2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Montana
L 48–61


2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Second Round
Eastern Illinois
North Dakota State
W 58–10
L 3–28


2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Second Round
Northern Arizona
Eastern Washington
W 26–7
L 17–41


2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Second Round
Montana State
North Dakota State
W 47–40
L 24–27


2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Montana
L 17–24


2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
Second Round
Quarterfinals
Villanova
North Dakota State
W 10–7
L 10–36


2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
Second Round
Quarterfinals
Semifinals
Northern Iowa
New Hampshire
James Madison
W 37–22
W 56–14
L 16-51



Lost twice to Montana, three times to NDSU, and once each against EWU and JMU.

Wins against NAU and Montana State.

[JSUSoutherner]

If anything I know that a small line doesn’t necessarily equate into a bad line. Your numbers against even good teams speak for themselves. You don’t end up putting up as many points as you guys do without having some good line play. I also think most of us realize that line size doesn’t mean much when it comes to an option team. We are a weary bunch up here, every time we get real confident we end up laying an egg it seems, and every year we drop games we shouldn’t (UNI this year). So we aren’t as loud in our confidence as our neighbors north of us. I believe I listed the amount of eggs we’ve laid on the road in the playoffs already, so you can see why we have some hesitation.


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Cut Blocks are blocks too.

[Schism55]

And ‘ocularly’ - if any 1 Defensive Player’s eye-discipline fails on any 1 reasonably well-executed triple-option play, it’s very likely 6 points or a long gain. I wonder how much SDSU’s Defensive Player’s have have had to play with intense, unfailing eye-discipline during their careers. Has SDSU played a ‘true’ option Team since 2004 when GaSou trounced them 63-7 and put up 461 yards rushing?



Note: GaSou was not running Option in ‘09 when SDSU beat them; that was Chris Hatcher’s final year running his “Hatch Attack” there
Is that seriously what they called it? If so, ****ing lol xlolx

[FUBeAR]

Yeah, that's right.



2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Montana
L 48–61


2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Second Round
Eastern Illinois
North Dakota State
W 58–10
L 3–28


2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Second Round
Northern Arizona
Eastern Washington
W 26–7
L 17–41


2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Second Round
Montana State
North Dakota State
W 47–40
L 24–27


2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
First Round
Montana
L 17–24


2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
Second Round
Quarterfinals
Villanova
North Dakota State
W 10–7
L 10–36


2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_season#Postseaso n)
Second Round
Quarterfinals
Semifinals
Northern Iowa
New Hampshire
James Madison
W 37–22
W 56–14
L 16-51



Lost twice to Montana, three times to NDSU, and once each against EWU and JMU.

Wins against NAU and Montana State.So, if I’m reading this correctly, in the past 3 years, in the Playoffs, SDSU has lost their 1st Away game each of those years.

@ KSU is SDSU’s 1st Playoff Away game in the 2018 Playoffs.

Current forecast is cool (low 40’s) with 90% chance of rain. We know the Jackrabbits can play in a blizzard.

Thoughts on effects of rain?

We all typically think that favors the Team with the stronger ground game, but an option O, playing with slippery balls on meshes & pitches, may be more impacted than a passing O.

[FUBeAR]

Is that seriously what they called it? If so, ****ing lol xlolxYep - I believe he has brought that moniker with him from Valdosta to GaSou to MurraySt, and now @ Samford.

Check out his Twitter name...

https://i.postimg.cc/VvwsBswX/48594-CB7-533-F-424-A-B575-A50683094200.png

[POD Knows]

So, if I’m reading this correctly, in the past 3 years, in the Playoffs, SDSU has lost their 1st Away game each of those years.

@ KSU is SDSU’s 1st Playoff Away game in the 2018 Playoffs.

Current forecast is cool (low 40’s) with 90% chance of rain. We know the Jackrabbits can play in a blizzard.

Thoughts on effects of rain?

We all typically think that favors the Team with the stronger ground game, but an option O, playing with slippery balls on meshes & pitches, may be more impacted than a passing O.SDSU can run the football if they have too.

[Thumper 76]

So, if I’m reading this correctly, in the past 3 years, in the Playoffs, SDSU has lost their 1st Away game each of those years.

@ KSU is SDSU’s 1st Playoff Away game in the 2018 Playoffs.

Current forecast is cool (low 40’s) with 90% chance of rain. We know the Jackrabbits can play in a blizzard.

Thoughts on effects of rain?

We all typically think that favors the Team with the stronger ground game, but an option O, playing with slippery balls on meshes & pitches, may be more impacted than a passing O.

Rain shouldn’t be a huge factor unless it’s a monsoon.


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[JacksFan40]

So, if I’m reading this correctly, in the past 3 years, in the Playoffs, SDSU has lost their 1st Away game each of those years.

@ KSU is SDSU’s 1st Playoff Away game in the 2018 Playoffs.

Current forecast is cool (low 40’s) with 90% chance of rain. We know the Jackrabbits can play in a blizzard.

Thoughts on effects of rain?

We all typically think that favors the Team with the stronger ground game, but an option O, playing with slippery balls on meshes & pitches, may be more impacted than a passing O.
SDSU’s run game is a traditional ground and pound, nothing overly special, some reverses but not much else.

[FUBeAR]

SDSU can run the football if they have too.Obviously. Their per/rush numbers in all games except UNI, ISUr, and NDSU have been outstanding. Even against NDSU wasn’t too bad, but if the rain forces them to be 1-dimensional on O, does that play into KSU’s strength? Wofford runs the ball as well as anyone & KSU shut them down pretty good.

[Professor Chaos]

CAA officiating crew in this one according to refstripes (http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=14211.msg144072#msg144072). So far in the playoffs this year CAA crews have done the UNI/Lamar and EWU/Nicholls games. Separate crews officiated those games but one of them will be getting their 2nd playoff assignment in this one.

[POD Knows]

Obviously. Their per/rush numbers in all games except UNI, ISUr, and NDSU have been outstanding. Even against NDSU wasn’t too bad, but if the rain forces them to be 1-dimensional on O, does that play into KSU’s strength? Wofford runs the ball as well as anyone & KSU shut them down pretty good.They averaged almost 6 yards a carry against NDSU but the back that carried most of the load for them is injured but his replacement is about as good. I actually think SDSU runs the ball better than Wofford because SDSU throws the ball better than Wofford. SDSU will spread the field and try and throw regardless of the weather but if they are forced to run the ball, they will. They are probably the most balanced offensive team left in the playoffs and that is why NDSU has problems with them.

[CappinHard]

Yep - I believe he has brought that moniker with him from Valdosta to GaSou to MurraySt, and now @ Samford.

Check out his Twitter name...

https://i.postimg.cc/VvwsBswX/48594-CB7-533-F-424-A-B575-A50683094200.png

I know someone that can produce a hell of a theme song for #HatchAttack, and he's already got most of the work done for it. #JackAttack xlolx

(link for those that aren't aware of this brilliance)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCf0Hj34RUk

[POD Knows]

I know someone that can produce a hell of a theme song for #HatchAttack, and he's already got most of the work done for it. #JackAttack xlolx

(link for those that aren't aware of this brilliance)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCf0Hj34RUkCount 'em, they say "Jack attack" over 60 times in this song I think

[ElCid]

If the coaches realize we need to stack the box and force KSU to pass, we’ll dominate them. SDSU has more talent on both sides of the ball, our game plan will be the big factor. If we sit back in our base defense, KSU will get 5-7 yards a carry and it’ll be a Cal Poly repeat.

The only problem with just stacking the box is they will wait patiently and then burn you on a pass, then you back off a bit and they will run on you again, repeat. You really have to out think them. They don't pass a lot, but when they do they are usually successful (about 10 yards/att). Now granted that was against mostly bad defenses, but they know the drill. And even as far as stacking the box goes, they can lull you into repetition and then break one. Defenses have to remain tight on every play. I love the option.

KSU has been averaging 356 rushing a game or 6 yards/carry, but if you look at just a few games, you can see they are still vulnerable. In the Samford game (Samford knows how to defend the option pretty well) KSU rushed for just 220 or 4.0 yrds per carry. Wofford held them to just 163 or just 3.7 yds/carry. In the JSU game, during regulation so not counting the 100 they got in OT periods, they rushed for about 251 yards. All three of these games they were held to well under their rushing average, but managed to win any way. And they were not necessarily successful just by passing. One way they do that is by controlling the TOP and wearing down defenses. You can't score if you you don't have the ball. They don't have to score every time if they just keep it a way from you and reduce your possessions by a couple. I know this is all obvious stuff, but it works. KSU is averaging about 33 minutes of TOP so with them keeping it 6 more minutes a game or so, opponents may get 2-3 less possessions than they may normally get. If KSU keeps it close, a late turnover could be key. Saw that against Wofford. And if you look at just the second half TOP stats for KSU they usually get ridiculous in the second half 18-21 minutes in many cases.

All that said, I know SDSU is a scoring machine. KSU needs to be successful every time they have the ball and hope they can grind out a couple long drives in order to keep the SDSU Offense off the field and their Defense tired. If they do that, then it will be close at the end. If they have many three and outs, KSU is toast even if they are modestly successful on D and that is not a given, although they held Samford in check fairly well.

This is one of the games I am looking forward to. I give the edge to SDSU but have to see how how their D handles themselves on the road. It is always a crap shoot how a D will defend the option.

[Bison56]

I know someone that can produce a hell of a theme song for #HatchAttack, and he's already got most of the work done for it. #JackAttack xlolx

(link for those that aren't aware of this brilliance)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCf0Hj34RUk

This is a bannable post.

[FUBeAR]

I know someone that can produce a hell of a theme song for #HatchAttack, and he's already got most of the work done for it. #JackAttack xlolx

(link for those that aren't aware of this brilliance)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCf0Hj34RUkWell, that is certainly a fine piece of art. Maybe some lurking Samford fans will pass it along for adaptation. I was able to endure it for over 2 minutes. But, it pales in comparison to this masterpiece. See how long you can go. It’s just over a minute long. I made it all the way through...once.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk6ps7aLBSY

”Southern Conference winning”
”Playoff bound”

...um...no.

[ElCid]

If anything I know that a small line doesn’t necessarily equate into a bad line. Your numbers against even good teams speak for themselves. You don’t end up putting up as many points as you guys do without having some good line play. I also think most of us realize that line size doesn’t mean much when it comes to an option team. We are a weary bunch up here, every time we get real confident we end up laying an egg it seems, and every year we drop games we shouldn’t (UNI this year). So we aren’t as loud in our confidence as our neighbors north of us. I believe I listed the amount of eggs we’ve laid on the road in the playoffs already, so you can see why we have some hesitation.


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Yes, I love it when people underestimate an Offensive Line just because of size. Yes, they are not going to keep back a determined pass rush very well, but their mobility is more important in executing the blocking scheme.

I am not so sure you will lay an egg this year though. Something about this year's bunny team that seems different.

[POD Knows]

This is a bannable post.The say "jack attack" 63 times in this song and they use the music from "The Final Countdown". This might be in the top three of all time ****ty sports teams songs of all time.

[CappinHard]

Well, that is certainly a fine piece of art. Maybe some lurking Samford fans will pass it along for adaptation. I was able to endure it for over 2 minutes. But, it pales in comparison to this masterpiece. See how long you can go. It’s just over a minute long. I made it all the way through...once.

”Southern Conference winning”
”Playoff bound”

...um...no.

Wait, what?! Duck Tales? Is "Duck" Hodges' nickname or something?

[Bison56]

The say "jack attack" 63 times in this song and they use the music from "The Final Countdown". This might be in the top three of all time ****ty sports teams songs of all time.

I'll take your word for it, I couldnt ever get through the whole thing.

[FUBeAR]

Wait, what?! Duck Tales? Is "Duck" Hodges' nickname or something?
Yep - in addition to being the all-time NCAA FCS Passing leader, he is a world-class competitor in Duck Calling competitions.

Not sure if he’s going NFL or WDCA. Kind of a Kyler Murray-like decision.

[Bison56]

Well, that is certainly a fine piece of art. Maybe some lurking Samford fans will pass it along for adaptation. I was able to endure it for over 2 minutes. But, it pales in comparison to this masterpiece. See how long you can go. It’s just over a minute long. I made it all the way through...once.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk6ps7aLBSY

”Southern Conference winning”
”Playoff bound”

...um...no.

Wow that was real bad.xnodx
I dont get the ducktales though, what am I missing?

On I see you answered it already.

[ksu_owls]

The only problem with just stacking the box is they will wait patiently and then burn you on a pass, then you back off a bit and they will run on you again, repeat. You really have to out think them. They don't pass a lot, but when they do they are usually successful (about 10 yards/att). Now granted that was against mostly bad defenses, but they know the drill. And even as far as stacking the box goes, they can lull you into repetition and then break one. Defenses have to remain tight on every play. I love the option.

KSU has been averaging 356 rushing a game or 6 yards/carry, but if you look at just a few games, you can see they are still vulnerable. In the Samford game (Samford knows how to defend the option pretty well) KSU rushed for just 220 or 4.0 yrds per carry. Wofford held them to just 163 or just 3.7 yds/carry. In the JSU game, during regulation so not counting the 100 they got in OT periods, they rushed for about 251 yards. All three of these games they were held to well under their rushing average, but managed to win any way. And they were not necessarily successful just by passing. One way they do that is by controlling the TOP and wearing down defenses. You can't score if you you don't have the ball. They don't have to score every time if they just keep it a way from you and reduce your possessions by a couple. I know this is all obvious stuff, but it works. KSU is averaging about 33 minutes of TOP so with them keeping it 6 more minutes a game or so, opponents may get 2-3 less possessions than they may normally get. If KSU keeps it close, a late turnover could be key. Saw that against Wofford. And if you look at just the second half TOP stats for KSU they usually get ridiculous in the second half 18-21 minutes in many cases.

All that said, I know SDSU is a scoring machine. KSU needs to be successful every time they have the ball and hope they can grind out a couple long drives in order to keep the SDSU Offense off the field and their Defense tired. If they do that, then it will be close at the end. If they have many three and outs, KSU is toast even if they are modestly successful on D and that is not a given, although they held Samford in check fairly well.

This is one of the games I am looking forward to. I give the edge to SDSU but have to see how how their D handles themselves on the road. It is always a crap shoot how a D will defend the option.

Beating Wofford definitely is getting us some respect from their SoCon peers.... much appreciated, ElCid!

I agree with your post. It sucks to be in a position that you have to play almost flawlessly to have a chance, but hey... I'm just glad we have a chance!

[Thumper 76]

This is a bannable post.

Haters gunna hate xlolx


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[ElCid]

Beating Wofford definitely is getting us some respect from their SoCon peers.... much appreciated, ElCid!

I agree with your post. It sucks to be in a position that you have to play almost flawlessly to have a chance, but hey... I'm just glad we have a chance!

Eh, I had respect for KSU already. Same with a team like Colgate. Even if the competition has not been consistently high, a team can still be good. KSU has been good. They will play well I have no doubt. I have only watched SDSU play a couple times this year, but you will have your hands full. If it was up st SDSU, then I would say not likely, but at home, yeah, it will be a good game.

[POD Knows]

Is there a repository on this site for all of these ****ty videos, this Samford one about their QB is bad on a whole other level. Who the hell makes a video about an individual award, much less something this bad.

[Thumper 76]

Is there a repository on this site for all of these ****ty videos, this Samford one about their QB is bad on a whole other level. Who the hell makes a video about an individual award, much less something this bad.

A team that didn’t make the playoffs?


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[TheKingpin28]

A team that didn’t make the playoffs?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI didn't know Hodges played at Furman?

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[FUBeAR]

this Samford one about their QB is bad on a whole other level. Who the hell makes a video about an individual award, much less something this bad.

...AND publishes it in AUGUST, including the phrases “Southern Conference winning” and “Playoff bound.”

Samford was a SoCon Tri-Champion in 2013 (their only SoCon Football Championship ever), the season before Mr. Hodges arrived. He never led them to a SoCon Championship. Samford has not won an FCS Playoff game since 1991, when they made the field as an Independent. To be fair, they did make the Playoffs in 2016 & 2017, with Hodges as QB, losing in the 1st round both years, but that doesn’t exactly jive with calling themselves “Playoff-BOUND” on 8/15/18. xlolx

[FUBeAR]

I didn't know Hodges played at Furman?Sure he did; quite successfully, in 2016 & 2018.

He was 2-0 there and threw for a 2 game total of 813 yards, going 67 of 90 (74.4%) & 5 TD’s, with 3 INT’s

[Jacks02]

SDSU can run the football if they have too.

311 yards per game over the last four, with an 8.5 YPC.

SDSU has been running more than passing over the current win streak, which has mostly been played in horrible weather.

[Reign of Terrier]

I will stick up for the KSU defense. They held JSU, wofford, and Samford in check; a relatively balanced, run-heavy, and pass heavy team respectively. I don't know what "JMU 2016/2017" looks like, but 3 games against 3 top 30 offenses, and holding them to ~14 on average in regulation isn't nothing.

SDSU will be a lot like JSU. I don't know how they do with downhill running. I still think that's a weakness for KSU. Their defense is really fast, so doing too many read plays can hurt you, but hat on hat, a team can get push. Wofford didn't try it nearly as much as I wanted them too. We lost a lot of yardage on read plays (option) and sacks but our fullback dive had some success.

[Thumper 76]

I will stick up for the KSU defense. They held JSU, wofford, and Samford in check; a relatively balanced, run-heavy, and pass heavy team respectively. I don't know what "JMU 2016/2017" looks like, but 3 games against 3 top 30 offenses, and holding them to ~14 on average in regulation isn't nothing.

SDSU will be a lot like JSU. I don't know how they do with downhill running. I still think that's a weakness for KSU. Their defense is really fast, so doing too many read plays can hurt you, but hat on hat, a team can get push. Wofford didn't try it nearly as much as I wanted them too. We lost a lot of yardage on read plays (option) and sacks but our fullback dive had some success.

I can say one thing having watched a couple JSU games. SDSU an JSU don’t belong in the same conversation offensively.

Our number one back is a one cut and go type of back while our short yardage back will run straight through people. Strong is phenomenal in the open field, and has a hell of a knack for making the first guy miss. With how our offense is set up to give the rb a one on one it’s made gains that are usually 5-6 yard runs become 50-70 yd tds.
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[TheKingpin28]

Sure he did; quite successfully, in 2016 & 2018.

He was 2-0 there and threw for a 2 game total of 813 yards, going 67 of 90 (74.4%) & 5 TD’s, with 3 INT’sxwhistlex well played

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[JSUSoutherner]

I can say one thing having watched a couple JSU games. SDSU an JSU don’t belong in the same conversation offensively.

Our number one back is a one cut and go type of back while our short yardage back will run straight through people. Strong is phenomenal in the open field, and has a hell of a knack for making the first guy miss. With how our offense is set up to give the rb a one on one it’s made gains that are usually 5-6 yard runs become 50-70 yd tds.
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Agree. SDSU doesn't **** themselves for a living.

[TheKingpin28]

Agree. SDSU doesn't **** themselves for a living.2012-17 SDSU would beg to differ.


2012: 3-28 NDSU
2013: 17-41 EWU
2014: 24-27 (RJ FTW!)
2015: 17-24 Montana (That one hurt)
2016: 10-36 NDSU
2017: 16-51 JMU

While maybe not as bad as continuous 2nd round exits, but still,when they get beat, they get abused.

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[Bison56]

Agree. SDSU doesn't **** themselves for a living.

JSU is the new SHSU, a lot of regular season hype with an embarrassing exit in the playoffs.

[JSUSoutherner]

JSU is the new SHSU, a lot of regular season hype with an embarrassing exit in the playoffs.Who was hyping JSU?

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[ElCid]

Who was hyping JSU?

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I thought you kind of sandbagging most the season myself.

[JSUSoutherner]

Jokes on you, it wasn't sandbagging.

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[ElCid]

Jokes on you, it wasn't sandbagging.

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xlolx

[ksu_owls]

Jokes on you, it wasn't sandbagging.

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I think JSU has top talent that is capable of competing with anyone, but as a KSU fan I obviously want that to be true. I don't know why JSU is inconsistent.... maybe they're the Samford of the OVC? Also as a KSU fan, I'd like to think that we took JSU's best shot and managed to turn it into a win. Basically I'm here to take any chance I can to make KSU look good. But seriously, JSU is a talented team that manages to find ways to under perform.

[KUlawJack]

Perhaps a KSU fan can weigh in on your team's health? I watched your game from my phone while also watching the SDSU game live on Saturday and it seemed like a physical game. It sounds like we will be without our starting center. He was out earlier this season and we struggled up front. I hope that isn't the case this weekend.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's an expanded look at the team stats comparison and corresponding national ranks for the teams in this matchup.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4849/44349470760_1edfdd0082_b.jpg

[Birdman_]

Perhaps a KSU fan can weigh in on your team's health? I watched your game from my phone while also watching the SDSU game live on Saturday and it seemed like a physical game. It sounds like we will be without our starting center. He was out earlier this season and we struggled up front. I hope that isn't the case this weekend.

Unsure of the status of our starting B back, but if he's out that'd be a blow (he was injured against JSU). Otherwise I think we're generally healthy. Lost some guys early in the season that wont play the rest of the way, but that's been the case for most of the season.

[JSUSoutherner]

I think JSU has top talent that is capable of competing with anyone, but as a KSU fan I obviously want that to be true. I don't know why JSU is inconsistent.... maybe they're the Samford of the OVC? Also as a KSU fan, I'd like to think that we took JSU's best shot and managed to turn it into a win. Basically I'm here to take any chance I can to make KSU look good. But seriously, JSU is a talented team that manages to find ways to under perform.It's not inconsistency. Maine, SEMO, and NCA&T weren't the anomalies, KSU was.

We played up for that game.

I don't think it's a funding problem as some JSU fans seem convinced. Or even a nutritionist like all the Bison quip every year (though it would help if we actually had one, its not the root cause of our struggle).

JSUs problem is a culture problem within the program. It's not a rotten culture. Grass has program GPAs at all-time high levels and the team does a lot of work in the community. But on the field there's a culture of undisciplined play and they play like they "expect" to win rather than just play to win. Our budget and resources are on par if not better than a lot of programs. EWU for example. We just can't get results. Undisciplined play has been an issue at JSU for years. You can't buy that.

Money doesn't make 335 yards in penalties and 12 turnovers in three games go away.

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[Birdman_]

Here's an expanded look at the team stats comparison and corresponding national ranks for the teams in this matchup.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4849/44349470760_1edfdd0082_b.jpg

Obviously all of KSU's numbers here need to be taken with a grain of salt compared to SDSU.

[KSUFAN]

Perhaps a KSU fan can weigh in on your team's health? I watched your game from my phone while also watching the SDSU game live on Saturday and it seemed like a physical game. It sounds like we will be without our starting center. He was out earlier this season and we struggled up front. I hope that isn't the case this weekend.

Our starting B-Back was out for Wofford and is questionable this weekend. The backup was back but was limited from a bad elbow injury. He had a fumble and don't think he got anymore chances after that. That's all I have heard so far from Saturday.

[KUlawJack]

Our starting B-Back was out for Wofford and is questionable this weekend. The backup was back but was limited from a bad elbow injury. He had a fumble and don't think he got anymore chances after that. That's all I have heard so far from Saturday.

Excuse my ignorance, but I assume starting B-Back refers to fullback in the triple option offense?

[Birdman_]

Excuse my ignorance, but I assume starting B-Back refers to fullback in the triple option offense?

yes

[Professor Chaos]

I like KSU's chances in this one better than most do I think. Maybe it's anti-SDSU bias but the best way to beat the Jacks is to play keep away from their offense and KSU's offense is built to do that. That's a tough offense to prepare for especially when the practice week is short due to travel. That said I think KSU's offense is going to need to play a pretty flawless game both in terms of limiting turnovers and finishing drives in the endzone since I think SDSU's offense will roll when they are on the field.

[ksu_owls]

I like KSU's chances in this one better than most do I think. Maybe it's anti-SDSU bias but the best way to beat the Jacks is to play keep away from their offense and KSU's offense is built to do that. That's a tough offense to prepare for especially when the practice week is short due to travel. That said I think KSU's offense is going to need to play a pretty flawless game both in terms of limiting turnovers and finishing drives in the endzone since I think SDSU's offense will roll when they are on the field.

Keep away will be our only way. Anything to get their offense out of rhythm. The perfect start to the game would be an 8 minute TD drive followed by a frustrated SDSU offense having a 3 and out.... I mean I know that won't happen but I'm just dreaming over here.

[Thumper 76]

Perhaps a KSU fan can weigh in on your team's health? I watched your game from my phone while also watching the SDSU game live on Saturday and it seemed like a physical game. It sounds like we will be without our starting center. He was out earlier this season and we struggled up front. I hope that isn't the case this weekend.

We did struggle somewhat, at the same time we lost another big time o lineman so I don’t think we can attribute all of the struggles to that.


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[CappinHard]

I like KSU's chances in this one better than most do I think. Maybe it's anti-SDSU bias but the best way to beat the Jacks is to play keep away from their offense and KSU's offense is built to do that. That's a tough offense to prepare for especially when the practice week is short due to travel. That said I think KSU's offense is going to need to play a pretty flawless game both in terms of limiting turnovers and finishing drives in the endzone since I think SDSU's offense will roll when they are on the field.

The more I think about it, the more I think it will be a fairly high scoring game. I don't see KSU's defense slowing us down much, and at the same time I see our defense giving up some big plays due to unfamiliarity with the option and missing some assignments. Plus, even though I think SDSU wins by 14 at least, KSU will win the TOP regardless and our defense will get worn down trying to stop the TO for that long.

[ElCid]

The more I think about it, the more I think it will be a fairly high scoring game. I don't see KSU's defense slowing us down much, and at the same time I see our defense giving up some big plays due to unfamiliarity with the option and missing some assignments. Plus, even though I think SDSU wins by 14 at least, KSU will win the TOP regardless and our defense will get worn down trying to stop the TO for that long.

And the problem of a worn out D, is it just accelerates. The more tired a defense is, the more it gives up, the longer they stay on the field. It is no accident that option teams usually have way more TOP in the second half. If SDSU can stand tall and force some three and outs, or get some turnovers, in the second half, and stay rested, it will win.

[JSUSoutherner]

And the problem of a worn out D, is it just accelerates. The more tired a defense is, the more it gives up, the longer they stay on the field. It is no accident that option teams usually have way more TOP in the second half. If SDSU can stand tall and force some three and outs, or get some turnovers, in the second half, and stay rested, it will win.

SDSU will have to play ball control. Go look at the JSU game. In the first half we went up when we were grinding out drives. Our first drive took eight and a half freaking minutes. In the second half KSU held the ball and closed the TOP gap. By OT our D was completely gassed and it snowballed and became a track meet.

[CappinHard]

SDSU will have to play ball control. Go look at the JSU game. In the first half we went up when we were grinding out drives. Our first drive took eight and a half freaking minutes. In the second half KSU held the ball and closed the TOP gap. By OT our D was completely gassed and it snowballed and became a track meet.

Ball control isn't exactly our style... Not because we're going 3 and out, but because of chunk plays and long TDs. Our defensive depth will definitely be tested. Thankfully our defense is deeper than it has been in a while, especially our D line.

[JSUSoutherner]

Ball control isn't exactly our style... Not because we're going 3 and out, but because of chunk plays and long TDs. Our defensive depth will definitely be tested. Thankfully our defense is deeper than it has been in a while, especially our D line.We are the same way. I think had like 20 something 3 play or less TD drives this year. But playing that way is hard on a defense when you start getting late in the game and the other team is running you sideline to sideline every play.

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[Thumper 76]

We are the same way. I think had like 20 something 3 play or less TD drives this year. But playing that way is hard on a defense when you start getting late in the game and the other team is running you sideline to sideline every play.

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I’ll agree with this if we start slow. If the Jacks start hot I don’t think how we score is a huge issue. This has been beat to death around AGS but I expect SDSU to have better depth and have better game conditioning than JSU due to conferences and season long difficulty.


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[JSUSoutherner]

I’ll agree with this if we start slow. If the Jacks start hot I don’t think how we score is a huge issue. This has been beat to death around AGS but I expect SDSU to have better depth and have better game conditioning than JSU due to conferences and season long difficulty.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe TO has been known to work against teams much better than either SDSU or JSU.

See: Georgia Tech.

Like I told you earlier, if SDSU can pass this won't be a game. If KSU can get stops, though, this could be an uphill battle for SDSU. Don't pull a UGA or a JSU, if SDSU can get a early lead they'll need to keep their foot down.

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[SoDakSA]

And the problem of a worn out D, is it just accelerates. The more tired a defense is, the more it gives up, the longer they stay on the field. It is no accident that option teams usually have way more TOP in the second half. If SDSU can stand tall and force some three and outs, or get some turnovers, in the second half, and stay rested, it will win.

This game will go the way of the KSU defense. They have to be able to stop SDSU early and not let them get out to a couple score lead early. If they can hold up and keep the game close then the fatigue can be a huge factor.

IMO if SDSU "wins" the first half then the game could get out of hand. If KSU is able to keep it within a score going into the second half we might have ourselves the most entertaining of the weekend games.

[Thumper 76]

The TO has been known to work against teams much better than either SDSU or JSU.

See: Georgia Tech.

Like I told you earlier, if SDSU can pass this won't be a game. If KSU can get stops, though, this could be an uphill battle for SDSU. Don't pull a UGA or a JSU, if SDSU can get a early lead they'll need to keep their foot down.

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I’m not saying the TO can’t work. I’m saying that if SDSU is scoring I don’t think getting gassed in the second will be an issue. If they go 3 and out a bunch in the first half then sure, it could be an issue.


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[JSUSoutherner]

I’m not saying the TO can’t work. I’m saying that if SDSU is scoring I don’t think getting gassed in the second will be an issue. If they go 3 and out a bunch in the first half then sure, it could be an issue.


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[Bison56]

I’ll agree with this if we start slow. If the Jacks start hot I don’t think how we score is a huge issue. This has been beat to death around AGS but I expect SDSU to have better depth and have better game conditioning than JSU due to conferences and season long difficulty.


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You think? xcoffeex

[Thumper 76]

You think? xcoffeex

As little as possible


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[ElCid]

I’ll agree with this if we start slow. If the Jacks start hot I don’t think how we score is a huge issue. This has been beat to death around AGS but I expect SDSU to have better depth and have better game conditioning than JSU due to conferences and season long difficulty.


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That is how we beat Samford, conditioning. They were winning 24-7 at the half in our game. They are a quick strike offense. By the time the fourth quarter came around we were down 27-21. And their defense was gassed (we held the ball for 20+ minutes in the second half) and we scored 21-0 in the fourth. Mind you Samford held Wofford to 207 rushing yards.

KSU outscored their opponents 245-55 in the second half this year. KSU held the ball for over 19 minutes in the second half against Samford. They held it 21 minutes in the 2nd half against CSU. They only held it 13:21 against Wofford and it would have been interesting had they not gotten the turnover. Against JSU they held it 16 and a half minutes in the second half.

SDSU better hope they have depth and don't get gassed. Subbing in defense is a great thing if the subs keep their head and remember to play their assignments. If not....

Is it only Monday?

[westdakotabison]

2. You keep hoping and wishing KSU will knock off SDSU so we don't take a trip to Fargo in 2 weeks. We both know that SDSU is the last team that NDSU wants to see coming to Fargo.

I want to see them in Frisco. MVFC got hosed by the committee.



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[Thumper 76]

I want to see them in Frisco. MVFC got hosed by the committee.



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No they didn’t. It’s the semi finals IF they meet. Demanding no rematch until the natty is just whiny and arrogant.


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[RowdyRabbit]

Homer picked SDSU, but seen us gashed by the TO to much to have any comfort at all about it.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

KSU needs to control the clock for like 35-40 minutes to have a chance. Youngstown State recipe from last year.

Keep SDSU's offense on the sidelines is their only chance.

[Herder]

Kennesaw State is a double digit dog at home to SDSU. What in the world is the Selection Committee thinking when they are seeding teams? They have no clue, completely inept at seeding teams. KSU obviously had no business being the higher seed.

Swing and a big miss once again by FCS selection committee. A double digit dog at home, the FBS committee would all be fired for that level of ineptness.

Probably more about having no shame, than it is about having no clue. Need a fair process folks. A 4 seed should not be a double digit dog to a 5 seed. You probably have to move KSU to a 7,8,9 range to get it right.

[Professor Chaos]

Kennesaw State is a double digit dog at home to SDSU. What in the world is the Selection Committee thinking when they are seeding teams? They have no clue, completely inept at seeding teams. KSU obviously had no business being the higher seed.

Swing and a big miss once again by FCS selection committee. A double digit dog at home, the FBS committee would all be fired for that level of ineptness.
You might want to see how the game turns how before you take a "swing" at the selection committee. Both Jacksonville St and JMU were road favorites last week and we saw how that worked out.

Oh, and the FBS selection committee left out a Georgia team that would be favored over both their #3 and #4 seeds.

[ksu_owls]

You might want to see how the game turns how before you take a "swing" at the selection committee. Both Jacksonville St and JMU were road favorites last week and we saw how that worked out.

Oh, and the FBS selection committee left out a Georgia team that would be favored over both their #3 and #4 seeds.

The line is now SDSU -7... there seem to be a few people that think KSU at least has a shot to cover. KSU did enough to earn the #4 seed, it doesn't mean they are better than SDSU. Rankings and playoff selections are more complicated than who would be favored in a match up.

I can appreciate your argument-- I would feel the same way if I was a UGA fan or if KSU had a tougher schedule with a couple of FCS losses and was clearly the team that should win but got "snubbed". A loss to UNI and a close loss to NDSU is better than an undefeated KSU FCS-schedule, I agree. But, I do think rewarding an undefeated FCS schedule to a returning quarterfinals team is okay also. It's not a perfect bracket but it's understandable why they seeded the way they did. It's up to SDSU to prove them wrong and KSU to prove them right.

[FUBeAR]

You might want to see how the game turns how before you take a "swing" at the selection committee. Both Jacksonville St and JMU were road favorites last week and we saw how that worked out.

Oh, and the FBS selection committee left out a Georgia team that would be favored over both their #3 and #4 seeds.And ETSU was something like a 23 underdog to JaxSt...and lost (primarily) because of a fumble on the JaxSt 1 inch line while going in for the game tying score with a bit over 2 minutes left to play.

The line is set by oddsmakers who are trying to pick a number that will attract the most ‘action’ and will have that action placed roughly equally on each Team. So, they are seeking to understand & determine the ‘GroupThink’ associated with the game; not, necessarily, to analyze the game/Teams. The line will change as the action starts to flow. Bets on KSU as a double-digit dog will drive the line down & bets on SDSU as a double-digit favorite will drive those double-digits higher. Nothing about the the Teams may change from the time the opening line is set until kickoff, but the betting line will.

As someone who questioned the seeding of 3 Big Sky Teams & was not happy about Furman being excluded, even though valid arguments existed for both of those decisions; I’d have to, reluctantly, say, at this point, that, with all 8 seeds advancing (despite the distinct advantage that being seeded provides), the Committee appears to have done an adequate job this year. They certainly could have selected a few different Teams or seeded other Teams or seeded the seeded Teams differently, but, on the whole, they get at least a C+ at this point.

Nothing too wrong with a “Gentleman’s C”

[SoDakSA]

Oh, and the FBS selection committee left out a Georgia team that would be favored over both their #3 and #4 seeds.

If Georgia wanted to make the final 4, they shouldn't have blown the lead against Alabama. Give a team that actually performed well enough to win their conference a shot. I would say the only team that has a legitimate gripe is Ohio State.

I have no problem with KSU being seeded higher. SDSU shouldn't have lost to an inferior UNI team regardless of what our injury status was at the time.

[Herder]

The line is now SDSU -7... there seem to be a few people that think KSU at least has a shot to cover. KSU did enough to earn the #4 seed, it doesn't mean they are better than SDSU. Rankings and playoff selections are more complicated than who would be favored in a match up.

I can appreciate your argument-- I would feel the same way if I was a UGA fan or if KSU had a tougher schedule with a couple of FCS losses and was clearly the team that should win but got "snubbed". A loss to UNI and a close loss to NDSU is better than an undefeated KSU FCS-schedule, I agree. But, I do think rewarding an undefeated FCS schedule to a returning quarterfinals team is okay also. It's not a perfect bracket but it's understandable why they seeded the way they did. It's up to SDSU to prove them wrong and KSU to prove them right.

If it's no longer double digits, then I'll tone it down. If they were a double digit dog at home, that just aint right! That's a bad job of seeding, and no excuses makes it right.

It's not about who wins the game either. KSU is now being given every advantage to win a game that SDSU should have had at home, bringing in a team from GA to the cold in SD. That seeding miss is a darn shame, and an insult to SDSU.

[Herder]

You might want to see how the game turns how before you take a "swing" at the selection committee. Both Jacksonville St and JMU were road favorites last week and we saw how that worked out.

Oh, and the FBS selection committee left out a Georgia team that would be favored over both their #3 and #4 seeds.

How it turns out? Did you really just say that? How it turns out playing on Kennesaw State home field in 60 degrees, on the field they practice on every day. Rather than in 20 degrees and snow? Their decision affects how it turns out. How it turns out has no bearing on a terrible seeding decision. And if SDSU does win, being on the road the previous week is a factor too in their following game.

[Professor Chaos]

How it turns out? Did you really just say that? How it turns out playing on Kennesaw State home field in 60 degrees, on the field they practice on every day. Rather than in 20 degrees and snow? Their decision affects how it turns out. How it turns out has no bearing on a terrible seeding decision. And if SDSU does win, being on the road the previous week is a factor too in their following game.
Ok, so your opinion is based completely on gambling lines rather than what happens on the field. Got it.

[ksu_owls]

If it's no longer double digits, then I'll tone it down. If they were a double digit dog at home, that just aint right! That's a bad job of seeding, and no excuses makes it right.

It's not about who wins the game either. KSU is now being given every advantage to win a game that SDSU should have had at home, bringing in a team from GA to the cold in SD. That seeding miss is a darn shame, and an insult to SDSU.

If SDSU's only loss was 4 points to NDSU then they would be the #2 seed. KSU might have a weak schedule, and without doubt that should be taken into consideration, but they did handle their FCS competition. The UNI loss was enough for the committee to award a perfect FCS record who returned 90% of their team from a quarterfinals run the year before.... it's not that far fetched. SDSU is favored because of who they are capable of being, they are the #5 seed for their UNI loss.

[CappinHard]

Speaking of the line move... is anyone else surprised by it? I was happy to take it early at -9.5, because I thought it would go toward 11 or 12. It is now trending toward -6.5. Very interesting.

[Reign of Terrier]

The gambling lines almost certainly use Massey predictions as their baseline.

Massey is flawed.

[KSUFAN]

How it turns out? Did you really just say that? How it turns out playing on Kennesaw State home field in 60 degrees, on the field they practice on every day. Rather than in 20 degrees and snow? Their decision affects how it turns out. How it turns out has no bearing on a terrible seeding decision. And if SDSU does win, being on the road the previous week is a factor too in their following game.

Herder you bring this up now and it obviously frustrates you. Back on 11/18 when AGS came out with final poll they even had Kennesaw at 4 and SDSU at 5! Why are you blasting all the AGS folks for their votes? There are a lot of folks on this forum that knows a lot about FCS football and you may be in that group. Obviously you are passionate about SDSU and that is great. I would go out on an limb and bet all you know about KSU football is what you have read in this forum, coming mostly from other team fans and even fewer opponents. How many Kennesaw games have you seen? Probably none! Why should Kennesaw be seeded 7, 8, 9? Because you say so? No doubt SDSU plays in a better conference than KSU but that doesn't mean SDSU is a better team. The great thing about FCS football it's all determined on the field! We will see Saturday!

[KSUFAN]

Kennesaw Press conference. Bohannon was on edge when it came to attendance!

http://youtu.be/uq7E93n8ga4

[JimmyJack]

If SDSU's only loss was 4 points to NDSU then they would be the #2 seed. KSU might have a weak schedule, and without doubt that should be taken into consideration, but they did handle their FCS competition. The UNI loss was enough for the committee to award a perfect FCS record who returned 90% of their team from a quarterfinals run the year before.... it's not that far fetched. SDSU is favored because of who they are capable of being, they are the #5 seed for their UNI loss.

This makes perfect sense to me. SDSU did this to themselves with the UNI loss. I'm looking forward to watching a game where teams can be at their best instead of another snow bowl.

[CappinHard]

I'm looking forward to watching a game where teams can be at their best instead of another snow bowl.

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[Herder]

Ok, so your opinion is based completely on gambling lines rather than what happens on the field. Got it.


Based on actual data, like Sagarin Ratings.

Auburn 82.14 SOS 26 7-5
SDSU 72.68. SOS 148 8-2
KSU. 62.62. SOS 214 10-1

Should Auburn be seeded ahead or behind SDSU? Their 7-5 record is worse, so behind according to the FCS selection committee.

[semobison]

The gambling lines almost certainly use Massey predictions as their baseline.

Massey is flawed.

Interesting that Massey had 7 of the 8 seeds ranked in their top 8 of teams that participate in the playoffs. Using Massey JMU would have been the 8th seed and Maine wouldn't have been seeded.
Using Massey:
1. NDSU
2. EWU
3. SDSU
4. UCD
5. Colgate
6. Weber St.
7. KSU
8. JMU

But, if you used Massey for the unseeded teams only 8 of the 16 teams who made the playoffs would have been included.

[ksu_owls]

Based on actual data, like Sagarin Ratings.

Auburn 82.14 SOS 26 7-5
SDSU 72.68. SOS 148 8-2
KSU. 62.62. SOS 214 10-1

Should Auburn be seeded ahead or behind SDSU? Their 7-5 record is worse, so behind according to the FCS selection committee.

I think we have the benefit of keeping this simple. For one, Auburn would probably not accept an invitation to the FCS playoffs. Secondly, your gripe is about KSU being seeded higher than SDSU, right? I feel that we've appropriately addressed the seeding. Had SDSU handled UNI they would be #2. If KSU had lost to JSU then we very likely would not have been seeded. We had zero room for error because of our weak schedule. SDSU would have been given a pass on NDSU but the UNI loss was enough to give the Owls the nod.

[Birdman_]

Based on actual data, like Sagarin Ratings.

Auburn 82.14 SOS 26 7-5
SDSU 72.68. SOS 148 8-2
KSU. 62.62. SOS 214 10-1

Should Auburn be seeded ahead or behind SDSU? Their 7-5 record is worse, so behind according to the FCS selection committee.

There is no perfect way to seed teams that don't play each other or have common opponents. There just isn't. You're right, #4 vs #5 determined where this game is being played, but who cares? Obviously everyone wants to play at home, but every team in the field has an opportunity to control their own destiny, and every game needs to be played somewhere. To get bent out of shape about seeding is like running on a treadmill - you may be working hard, but you're not actually going anywhere.

[FUBeAR]

I'm looking forward to watching a game where teams can be at their best
Not sure that will be the case. Last forecast I saw projected chilly (for us Southerners) in the low 40’s & 100% chance of rain, with some heavy downpours.

[Herder]

Interesting that Massey had 7 of the 8 seeds ranked in their top 8 of teams that participate in the playoffs. Using Massey JMU would have been the 8th seed and Maine wouldn't have been seeded.
Using Massey:
1. NDSU
2. EWU
3. SDSU
4. UCD
5. Colgate
6. Weber St.
7. KSU
8. JMU

But, if you used Massey for the unseeded teams only 8 of the 16 teams who made the playoffs would have been included.

Massey has it right. Actual accurate seeding. The FCS selection would have UCF ahead of Clemson based on the FCS coaches poll, and conference reps pulling strings.

[Thumper 76]

The line is now SDSU -7... there seem to be a few people that think KSU at least has a shot to cover. KSU did enough to earn the #4 seed, it doesn't mean they are better than SDSU. Rankings and playoff selections are more complicated than who would be favored in a match up.

I can appreciate your argument-- I would feel the same way if I was a UGA fan or if KSU had a tougher schedule with a couple of FCS losses and was clearly the team that should win but got "snubbed". A loss to UNI and a close loss to NDSU is better than an undefeated KSU FCS-schedule, I agree. But, I do think rewarding an undefeated FCS schedule to a returning quarterfinals team is okay also. It's not a perfect bracket but it's understandable why they seeded the way they did. It's up to SDSU to prove them wrong and KSU to prove them right.
I have zero issues with SDSU having the 5 seed personally. I am fairly sure most SDSU fans would agree with your post. FTR, Herder is a ndsu fan.

If it's no longer double digits, then I'll tone it down. If they were a double digit dog at home, that just aint right! That's a bad job of seeding, and no excuses makes it right.

It's not about who wins the game either. KSU is now being given every advantage to win a game that SDSU should have had at home, bringing in a team from GA to the cold in SD. That seeding miss is a darn shame, and an insult to SDSU.
As an SDSU fan, I don’t feel insulted at all. I’m also pretty sure most SDSU fans don’t either. We had our chance at a 2 seed and blew it.

The team might feel they have something to prove, but I’m guessing it has more to do with how they feel about Taryn not even making the top 5 for the Peyton Award going against a guy who got top 3. I doubt a one seed difference is that big of a deal to most. The bracket is set. Go out and win the game.

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[Herder]

There is no perfect way to seed teams that don't play each other or have common opponents. There just isn't. You're right, #4 vs #5 determined where this game is being played, but who cares? Obviously everyone wants to play at home, but every team in the field has an opportunity to control their own destiny, and every game needs to be played somewhere. To get bent out of shape about seeding is like running on a treadmill - you may be working hard, but you're not actually going anywhere.

Look as SOS, look at Sagarin, Massey, look at any objective data. Completely disagree with your reasoning.

[cx500d]

There is no perfect way to seed teams that don't play each other or have common opponents. There just isn't. You're right, #4 vs #5 determined where this game is being played, but who cares? Obviously everyone wants to play at home, but every team in the field has an opportunity to control their own destiny, and every game needs to be played somewhere. To get bent out of shape about seeding is like running on a treadmill - you may be working hard, but you're not actually going anywhere.

We didn't need another game where 289 people show up to watch it, so KSU is the right call for hosting this game....Now Kick the bunnies asses

[Herder]

I have zero issues with SDSU having the 5 seed personally. I am fairly sure most SDSU fans would agree with your post. FTR, Herder is a ndsu fan.

As an SDSU fan, I don’t feel insulted at all. I’m also pretty sure most SDSU fans don’t either. We had our chance at a 2 seed and blew it.

The team might feel they have something to prove, but I’m guessing it has more to do with how they feel about Taryn not even making the top 5 for the Peyton Award going against a guy who got top 3. I doubt a one seed difference is that big of a deal to most. The bracket is set. Go out and win the game.


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Let's hope that your team cares a lot less about these individual awards than actually winning games. You know, I don't care that is SDSU and KSU involved, but how can the 4 seed be a 10 point home dog to the 5 seed? That's some innovative work by the selection committee as usual. It just aint right.

[Birdman_]

Look as SOS, look at Sagarin, Massey, look at any objective data. Completely disagree with your reasoning.

They look at plenty of data. The point is that there is no perfect way to do it. If there was, then the whole playoff would be pointless because they could just pick a champion based on objective data. I agree that data is important, but it's impossible to know, with certainty, how two teams compare unless they've played each other. Both teams made it this far - they're both clearly good. The committee made a decision, and the Jacks have a chance to prove them wrong by winning the game.

[ElCid]

Let's hope that your team cares a lot less about these individual awards than actually winning games. You know, I don't care that is SDSU and KSU involved, but how can the 4 seed be a 10 point home dog to the 5 seed? That's some innovative work by the selection committee as usual. It just aint right.

Actually I hate the whole seeding concept for H/A. I know, I am an outlier. But if you think it through it makes no sense. So a team seeded #1, or #2, the very best apparently, is going to have an additional advantage of getting to play at home as well. For it to be truly fair, I would drop name in a hat and pick the H/A status for each round. Totally random. You can still pair teams up per seeding. It a team is good it shouldn't make a difference. I know that goes against everything people have been taught, and it may be unfair to a team who won all year, but it would certainly shake things up since a neutral site is not an option except for the final.

[FUBeAR]

Actually I hate the whole seeding concept for H/A. I know, I am an outlier. But if you think it through it makes no sense. So a team seeded #1, or #2, the very best apparently, is going to have an additional advantage of getting to play at home as well. For it to be truly fair, I would drop name in a hat and pick the H/A status for each round. Totally random. You can still pair teams up per seeding. It a team is good it shouldn't make a difference. I know that goes against everything people have been taught, and it may be unfair to a team who won all year, but it would certainly shake things up since a neutral site is not an option except for the final.
No one shared any thoughts in response to FUBeAR’s “Modest Proposal” (in another recent thread) that the FCS 2 Semi’s & the Final be held in smaller nearby venues in the Metro Areas of the FBS 2 Playoff & Championship Games & played on the Fridays & Saturday or Sunday (I think) before those games.

Is the idea just too stupid to consider, too radical to discuss, or too outside-the-box to get our heads around...Or all of the above?

I see some potential fun benefits...and I get the downsides too, but I sure think it would be fun to give it a try one year. Frisco contract is kind of long term though, isn’t it?...maybe they’d agree to a 1 year break with a 1 year extension...always a way to get things done.

Anything?

[SoDakSA]

No one shared any thoughts in response to FUBeAR’s “Modest Proposal” (in another recent thread) that the FCS 2 Semi’s & the Final be held in smaller nearby venues in the Metro Areas of the FBS 2 Playoff & Championship Games & played on the Fridays & Saturday or Sunday (I think) before those games.

Is the idea just too stupid to consider, too radical to discuss, or too outside-the-box to get our heads around...Or all of the above?

I see some potential fun benefits...and I get the downsides too, but I sure think it would be fun to give it a try one year. Frisco contract is kind of long term though, isn’t it?...maybe they’d agree to a 1 year break with a 1 year extension...always a way to get things done.

Anything?

I like the idea, but I think that maybe just have the Championship game in the same town. Otherwise you are going to have the winning schools in whatever city for basically 3 weeks. There us just no way the NCAA is going to fork out the cash for that expenditure. But, I think that if there were a way to implement a "Championship Weekend." Try to get the Div II game to fall around the same time. Maybe even DIII.

[FUBeAR]

I like the idea, but I think that maybe just have the Championship game in the same town. Otherwise you are going to have the winning schools in whatever city for basically 3 weeks. There us just no way the NCAA is going to fork out the cash for that expenditure. But, I think that if there were a way to implement a "Championship Weekend." Try to get the Div II game to fall around the same time. Maybe even DIII.
Yeah - I like it - D1 Championship Weekend/Weekends - & maybe do the D2 final at 1 FBS semi-site & the D3 at the other. Sell the Adopt-A-Team to the FBS fans closest geographically to the FCS/D2/D3 Team in the game.

[UpstateBison]

No one shared any thoughts in response to FUBeAR’s “Modest Proposal” (in another recent thread) that the FCS 2 Semi’s & the Final be held in smaller nearby venues in the Metro Areas of the FBS 2 Playoff & Championship Games & played on the Fridays & Saturday or Sunday (I think) before those games.

Is the idea just too stupid to consider, too radical to discuss, or too outside-the-box to get our heads around...Or all of the above?

I see some potential fun benefits...and I get the downsides too, but I sure think it would be fun to give it a try one year. Frisco contract is kind of long term though, isn’t it?...maybe they’d agree to a 1 year break with a 1 year extension...always a way to get things done.

Anything?

Just to clarify, you are suggesting the FCS semi’s be in Miami and Dallas this year with the FCS Championship in San Francisco a week later? If so, what do you think attendance would be for the games? Hypothetically, SDSU vs. NDSU in Miami and Weber vs EWU in Dallas?


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[ElCid]

No one shared any thoughts in response to FUBeAR’s “Modest Proposal” (in another recent thread) that the FCS 2 Semi’s & the Final be held in smaller nearby venues in the Metro Areas of the FBS 2 Playoff & Championship Games & played on the Fridays & Saturday or Sunday (I think) before those games.

Is the idea just too stupid to consider, too radical to discuss, or too outside-the-box to get our heads around...Or all of the above?

I see some potential fun benefits...and I get the downsides too, but I sure think it would be fun to give it a try one year. Frisco contract is kind of long term though, isn’t it?...maybe they’d agree to a 1 year break with a 1 year extension...always a way to get things done.

Anything?

Actually I don't like it. Keep it at a school. But speaking of the championship, I actually don't like the locked in thing. I mean, what if the finals were with schools who are real close to each other. I know the northern schools, sans the dome heads, would rather travel to warmth, but what if it was, hypothetically, very hypothetically, ridiculously hypothetically, a JMU and VMI final? Kind of silly to travel to Texas wouldn't it be. Or a final with The Citadel and CSU? Or a UTC and JSU final? Or a Montana/EWU final (but that would probably be too cold). But you get my drift. Pick any two schools who are real close. New rule, if the two schools in the finals are within 200 miles, they get to choose if the game is at one of their homes. I know it would not work logistics'wise with airlines, hotels, etc, but it sure would make it easier on the fans. And the teams for that matter. I still like the rotating final location to be TBD until known.

[ElCid]

Just to clarify, you are suggesting the FCS semi’s be in Miami and Dallas this year with the FCS Championship in San Francisco a week later? If so, what do you think attendance would be for the games? Hypothetically, SDSU vs. NDSU in Miami and Weber vs EWU in Dallas?


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2000....maybe.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Actually I hate the whole seeding concept for H/A. I know, I am an outlier. But if you think it through it makes no sense. So a team seeded #1, or #2, the very best apparently, is going to have an additional advantage of getting to play at home as well. For it to be truly fair, I would drop name in a hat and pick the H/A status for each round. Totally random. You can still pair teams up per seeding. It a team is good it shouldn't make a difference. I know that goes against everything people have been taught, and it may be unfair to a team who won all year, but it would certainly shake things up since a neutral site is not an option except for the final.



Really?

Disagree.

That is why the higher seeds get home games....reward for a good/great season.

[ElCid]

Really?

Disagree.

That is why the higher seeds get home games....reward for a good/great season.

I know why. I just don't agree. I like the randomness of it.

[NDSUtk]

Kennesaw Press conference. Bohannon was on edge when it came to attendance!

http://youtu.be/uq7E93n8ga4After watching this, I sincerely hope KSU wins and comes to the Fargodome. This guy is so damn passionate. Would love to see what he has to say if he comes up.

[FUBeAR]

speaking of the championship...I mean, what if the finals were with schools who are real close to each other. I know the northern schools, sans the dome heads, would rather travel to warmth, but what if it was, hypothetically, very hypothetically, ridiculously hypothetically...



Year
Champion
Runner-up
Score
Venue
Location
Attendance
Winning Head Coach


1985
Georgia Southern
Furman
44-42
Tacoma Dome
Tacoma, Washington
5,306
Erk Russell


1988
Furman
Georgia Southern
17-12
Holt Arena
Pocatello, Idaho
11,500
Jimmy Satterfield



...that would NEVER happen.

[CappinHard]

After watching this, I sincerely hope KSU wins and comes to the Fargodome. This guy is so damn passionate. Would love to see what he has to say if he comes up.

I agree, he's an easy guy to root for, especially being in charge of a 4 yr old program. Although you had me up until that last sentence in your post... Translation: "I would love to hear him stroke NDSU's ego the way he did with SDSU. Imagine all the nice things he would have to say. I could just put that on loop, get out my stained pictures of ginger Jesus, and go to my happy place."

[FUBeAR]

Just to clarify, you are suggesting the FCS semi’s be in Miami and Dallas this year with the FCS Championship in San Francisco a week later? If so, what do you think attendance would be for the games? Hypothetically, SDSU vs. NDSU in Miami and Weber vs EWU in Dallas?No idea. Great question though. I can tell you’re getting fired up about this idea!

Gotta think about ‘packages.’ Let’s say I’m a fan of one of those Teams OR a Clemson/Alabama or whatever Fan. Well, I’m a HUGE Fan & I have money to spend. I can buy 1 or 2 of 3 pacakages. I can buy a Finals Package, which is the SF Trip & includes tix to the FBS game in Levi’s Stadium on Monday 1/7 @ 5 PM PST AND the FCS Championship Game at Stanford Stadium or CEFCU Stadium (San Jose State) on Sunday 1/6 @ 2 or 3 or 4 PM. At the FCS, let’s 100 lucky fans with tickets to the FBS game will, IF in attendance, win an AMAZING FBS Championship Game experience, upgrading everything...sideline passes, etc. Hmmm...if Clemson Fans (let’s say) have been ‘given’ NDSU as their adopted Team, they know who to cheer for, have another game to attend, and have a chance to watch their Tigers for the sidelines. Now, if MY FCS Team doesn’t make it, I still might go...right? If not, I bet there will be a nice Secondary market for my package. FCS tix can also be ‘stripped out’ and sold on a secondary market if the FBS Fans, who bought their package don’t want them...Do the same for the Semi’s games...a Bazillion details to work out...and I understand this is a heretical idea to bizuns fans...so as suggested...maybe just the Champ. Games for FCS in the FBS Champ City & the D2 & D3 in FBS semi-cities.

[Thumper 76]

I agree, he's an easy guy to root for, especially being in charge of a 4 yr old program. Although you had me up until that last sentence in your post... Translation: "I would love to hear him stroke NDSU's ego the way he did with SDSU. Imagine all the nice things he would have to say. I could just put that on loop, get out my stained pictures of ginger Jesus, and go to my happy place."

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[NDSUtk]

I agree, he's an easy guy to root for, especially being in charge of a 4 yr old program. Although you had me up until that last sentence in your post... Translation: "I would love to hear him stroke NDSU's ego the way he did with SDSU. Imagine all the nice things he would have to say. I could just put that on loop, get out my stained pictures of ginger Jesus, and go to my happy place."Exactly!! I'm so glad you get it. If he actually has nice things to say about you guys... Just think about an actual successful program what he could say.

[BisonBacker]

Exactly!! I'm so glad you get it. If he actually has nice things to say about you guys... Just think about an actual successful program what he could say.

xthumbsupx

[Bison56]

I agree, he's an easy guy to root for, especially being in charge of a 4 yr old program. Although you had me up until that last sentence in your post... Translation: "I would love to hear him stroke NDSU's ego the way he did with SDSU. Imagine all the nice things he would have to say. I could just put that on loop, get out my stained pictures of ginger Jesus, and go to my happy place."
You making fun of me?

[CappinHard]

You making fun of me?

Hey man... What you do with Wentz's picture is your business. Don't let me stop you.

[Winterborn]

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[HootyHoo]

Why is everyone treating this game as a foregone conclusion? SDSU hasn't won a road playoff game since 2014, and the last time they faced a triple option team was 2016 and they lost that game as well.

[Professor]

Why is everyone treating this game as a foregone conclusion? SDSU hasn't won a road playoff game since 2014, and the last time they faced a triple option team was 2016 and they lost that game as well.

Because Kennesaw State fans aren't going to show up and it's basically a netural site game

[JacksFan40]

Why is everyone treating this game as a foregone conclusion? SDSU hasn't won a road playoff game since 2014, and the last time they faced a triple option team was 2016 and they lost that game as well.
Because this SDSU defense is light years better than 2016’s.
We played Cal Poly in 2014 and shut down the triple option, beat them by near 30 I believe.

[HootyHoo]

Because Kennesaw State fans aren't going to show up and it's basically a netural site game

KSU hasn't lost a home game since October 15, 2016 so the atmosphere can't be too bad.

[HootyHoo]

Because this SDSU defense is light years better than 2016’s.
We played Cal Poly in 2014 and shut down the triple option, beat them by near 30 I believe.
Haha, good for you. xthumbsupx

[Professor]

KSU hasn't lost a home game since October 15, 2016 so the atmosphere can't be too bad.

Guess you missed the coach complaining in the press conference

[Bison56]

Why is everyone treating this game as a foregone conclusion? SDSU hasn't won a road playoff game since 2014, and the last time they faced a triple option team was 2016 and they lost that game as well.

Because it took you 5 OTs to beat a mediocre JSU team.

[HootyHoo]

Because it took you 5 OTs to beat a mediocre JSU team.

KSU can't catch a break. When we beat mediocre teams by 50 its "you haven't played anybody". When the Owls play somebody decent and don't blow them out, we're overrated trash. I wonder what excuse you will come up after we come up to Fargo and beat the Bison?

[Lorne_Malvo]

Kennesaw Press conference. Bohannon was on edge when it came to attendance!

http://youtu.be/uq7E93n8ga4

Very creepy.

[Bison56]

KSU can't catch a break. When we beat mediocre teams by 50 its "you haven't played anybody". When the Owls play somebody decent and don't blow them out, we're overrated trash. I wonder what excuse you will come up after we come up to Fargo and beat the Bison?

KSU got a break by getting the 4 seed.

[HootyHoo]

KSU got a break by getting the 4 seed.

That's your opinion. It's BS that the 2 and 3 seed are from the same conference. However, this draw does grant us the opportunity to beat some Valley teams. KSU might not have the talent to go toe to toe with the Bison yet. But it won't take long before our roster is stacked with 3 stars just like yours. Kennesaw State is uniquely positioned to challenge the Bison's dominance. You better get used to seeing us in December. We aren't going anywhere.

[Bison56]

That's your opinion. It's BS that the 2 and 3 seed are from the same conference. However, this draw does grant us the opportunity to beat some Valley teams. KSU might not have the talent to go toe to toe with the Bison yet. But it won't take long before our roster is stacked with 3 stars just like yours. Kennesaw State is uniquely positioned to challenge the Bison's dominance. You better get used to seeing us in December. We aren't going anywhere.

You're playing SDSU this week and should be worried about them.

[Professor Chaos]

That's your opinion. It's BS that the 2 and 3 seed are from the same conference. However, this draw does grant us the opportunity to beat some Valley teams. KSU might not have the talent to go toe to toe with the Bison yet. But it won't take long before our roster is stacked with 3 stars just like yours. Kennesaw State is uniquely positioned to challenge the Bison's dominance. You better get used to seeing us in December. We aren't going anywhere.
Now there's some good Decembrist talk!

I hope your guys win on Saturday (assuming the Bison win - if not I don't really care). I'm sick of the stale jibber-jabber with SDSU fans... bring in the new blood!

[JacksFan40]

KSU can't catch a break. When we beat mediocre teams by 50 its "you haven't played anybody". When the Owls play somebody decent and don't blow them out, we're overrated trash. I wonder what excuse you will come up after we come up to Fargo and beat the Bison?
JSU was trash, did you see what Maine did to them? The same Maine team that a mediocre Yale trashed. You had an opportunity to get a somewhat good win against Georgia State and you lost to them, and they finished 2-10. SDSU and NDSU would've destroyed Georgia State.
Nobody's denying that KSU is a very good team, but you play zero good teams and you're stadium isn't exactly as intimidating as what SDSU typically runs into in MVFC play.
SDSU won't shut down KSU's Offense, but KSU won't stop SDSU's offense. SDSU wins 35-20.
Even if you beat us, the Bison will thrash you.

[JacksFan40]

Why is everyone treating this game as a foregone conclusion? SDSU hasn't won a road playoff game since 2014, and the last time they faced a triple option team was 2016 and they lost that game as well.
Also here's the road playoff games SDSU played since the 2014 win over Montana State.
2014: NDSU L 27-24 - 18,113 Fans
2015: Montana L 24-17 - 14,575 Fans
2016: NDSU L 36-10 - 18,285 Fans
2017: JMU L 51-16 - 16,528 Fans

KSU lost on the road to SHSU last year, that environment is nothing compared to the teams listed above. It's really tough to go into these stadiums and get a win, especially when playing infront of 14k-20k loud and passionate fans. KSU will be lucky to get 6k against SDSU.
Though our attendance sucks but that's a different story.

[CappinHard]

That's your opinion. It's BS that the 2 and 3 seed are from the same conference. However, this draw does grant us the opportunity to beat some Valley teams. KSU might not have the talent to go toe to toe with the Bison yet. But it won't take long before our roster is stacked with 3 stars just like yours. Kennesaw State is uniquely positioned to challenge the Bison's dominance. You better get used to seeing us in December. We aren't going anywhere.

First off, we are used to seeing people like you in December (checks... yup... joined December 2017 and didn't post in 2018 until 11/28). As far as your team goes... I'm sure we will see KSU in December often because you are in a patty cake conference and might play one tough team during the regular season... maybe. Any respectable program from that conference would be in the playoffs every year, and most times you'll get a seed because again, you play no one and should have a record with 0 or 1 losses, depending on if you played a decent FBS team that year.

Last year you had an easier draw than anyone in the tournament. The team you lost to in the quarterfinals got whooped by NDSU 55-13. The team we lost to in the semifinals lost to NDSU 13-17 in the championship. You still haven't played a Big Sky, CAA, or MVFC team in the playoffs (or ever for that matter). At this point, KSU is a nice story and most people are rooting for you. Don't ruin it by being a complete tool bag. Wait until your team actually proves something against a team that actually means something.

[Reign of Terrier]

Hootyhoo is the only reason I'm contemplating rooting against the Owls. Most other fans, even the Novemberist/Decemberists have been really classy.

[Thundar]

I really cant believe I am agreeing with SDSU fans, but damn they are right in this thread

[BisonBacker]

Now there's some good Decembrist talk!

I hope your guys win on Saturday (assuming the Bison win - if not I don't really care). I'm sick of the stale jibber-jabber with SDSU fans... bring in the new blood!

Lol took the words right out of my mouth. Freaking Decemberists lol

[BisonBacker]

Serious question for the KSU fans on behalf of coach Stig. Wheres the best place to get some Joose preferably within walking distance to the game? :D

[Reign of Terrier]

Serious question for the KSU fans on behalf of coach Stig. Wheres the best place to get some Joose preferably within walking distance to the game? :D

If by Joose you mean beer and stuff, Marlows Tavern is pretty good. There's a lot within walking distance of the stadium.

Like seriously, I may hate the design of the stadium, but it's a good set up for, um, recreational activity!

[CappinHard]

Serious question for the KSU fans on behalf of coach Stig. Wheres the best place to get some Joose preferably within walking distance to the game? :D

Walking distance? Who cares about walking distance... Joose and drive baby!

[BisonBacker]

Walking distance? Who cares about walking distance... Joose and drive baby!

Positive rep given lol

[ST_Lawson]

Walking distance? Who cares about walking distance... Joose and drive baby!

Rollin down the street, smokin indo, sippin on gin and joose
Laid back, with my mind on my money and my money on my mind

[caribbeanhen]

Rollin down the street, smokin indo, sippin on gin and joose
Laid back, with my mind on my money and my money on my mind

out of college Money spent, see not future pay no rent, all the monies gone nowhere to go

[FUBeAR]

Serious question for the KSU fans on behalf of coach Stig. Wheres the best place to get some Joose preferably within walking distance to the game? :DI got you, Coach Stig!




Business Name
Address & Map
Phone
Distance
Brands


1.
CONOCCO
2675 STILESBORO RD NW
KENNESAW, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=CONOCCO%2C+2675+STILESBORO+RD+NW%2C+KENNESAW%2C+ GA)
(770)421-8816 (tel:7704218816)
2.9 mi


J Series Blackberry




2.
COBB PKWY FOOD MART
3129 COBB PKWY
KENNESAW, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=COBB+PKWY+FOOD+MART%2C+3129+COBB+PKWY%2C+KENNESA W%2C+GA)
(770)974-3502 (tel:7709743502)
3.1 mi


J Series Fruit Punch




3.
JS LIQUOR STORE
3140 COBB PKWY NW
KENNESAW, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=JS+LIQUOR+STORE%2C+3140+COBB+PKWY+NW%2C+KENNESAW %2C+GA)
(678)574-7474 (tel:6785747474)
3.6 mi
3 brands...


4.
STOP N SHOP
4739 S MAIN ST
ACWORTH, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=STOP+N+SHOP%2C+4739+S+MAIN+ST%2C+ACWORTH%2C+GA)
(770)974-7173 (tel:7709747173)
5.4 mi


J Series Blackberry




5.
BEV MAXX
350 FAIRGROUND ST
MARIETTA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=BEV+MAXX%2C+350+FAIRGROUND+ST%2C+MARIETTA%2C+GA)
(770)218-1447 (tel:7702181447)
6.5 mi


J Series Fruit Punch




6.
ZAIN ENTERPRISES
1250 ATLANTA RD SE
MARIETTA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=ZAIN+ENTERPRISES%2C+1250+ATLANTA+RD+SE%2C+MARIET TA%2C+GA)
(999)999-9999 (tel:9999999999)
7.6 mi


J Series Blue Lemonade
J Series Fruit Punch




7.
CITGO FOOD MART
2020 LOWER ROSWELL RD
MARIETTA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=CITGO+FOOD+MART%2C+2020+LOWER+ROSWELL+RD%2C+MARI ETTA%2C+GA)
(404)973-3290 (tel:4049733290)
7.7 mi


J Series Blackberry
J-Series Screwdriver




8.
SAVE & GO EXPRESS
445 PAT MELL RD SE
SMYRNA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=SAVE+%26+GO+EXPRESS%2C+445+PAT+MELL+RD+SE%2C+SMY RNA%2C+GA)
(770)433-8111 (tel:7704338111)
9 mi


J Series Fruit Punch




9.
SEYAN SOUTH COBB
2711 SOUTH COBB DRIVE
SMYRNA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=SEYAN+SOUTH+COBB%2C+2711+SOUTH+COBB+DRIVE%2C+SMY RNA%2C+GA)
(770)405-8114 (tel:7704058114)
10 mi


J-Series Screwdriver





3 miles if he likes Blackberry or Fruit Punch. Gonna have to hoof it almost 4 to find varieties. Uber & Lyft are your friends!

[CappinHard]

I got you, Coach Stig!




Business Name
Address & Map
Phone
Distance
Brands


1.
CONOCCO
2675 STILESBORO RD NW
KENNESAW, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=CONOCCO%2C+2675+STILESBORO+RD+NW%2C+KENNESAW%2C+ GA)
(770)421-8816 (tel:7704218816)
2.9 mi


J Series Blackberry




2.
COBB PKWY FOOD MART
3129 COBB PKWY
KENNESAW, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=COBB+PKWY+FOOD+MART%2C+3129+COBB+PKWY%2C+KENNESA W%2C+GA)
(770)974-3502 (tel:7709743502)
3.1 mi


J Series Fruit Punch




3.
JS LIQUOR STORE
3140 COBB PKWY NW
KENNESAW, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=JS+LIQUOR+STORE%2C+3140+COBB+PKWY+NW%2C+KENNESAW %2C+GA)
(678)574-7474 (tel:6785747474)
3.6 mi
3 brands...


4.
STOP N SHOP
4739 S MAIN ST
ACWORTH, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=STOP+N+SHOP%2C+4739+S+MAIN+ST%2C+ACWORTH%2C+GA)
(770)974-7173 (tel:7709747173)
5.4 mi


J Series Blackberry




5.
BEV MAXX
350 FAIRGROUND ST
MARIETTA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=BEV+MAXX%2C+350+FAIRGROUND+ST%2C+MARIETTA%2C+GA)
(770)218-1447 (tel:7702181447)
6.5 mi


J Series Fruit Punch




6.
ZAIN ENTERPRISES
1250 ATLANTA RD SE
MARIETTA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=ZAIN+ENTERPRISES%2C+1250+ATLANTA+RD+SE%2C+MARIET TA%2C+GA)
(999)999-9999 (tel:9999999999)
7.6 mi


J Series Blue Lemonade
J Series Fruit Punch




7.
CITGO FOOD MART
2020 LOWER ROSWELL RD
MARIETTA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=CITGO+FOOD+MART%2C+2020+LOWER+ROSWELL+RD%2C+MARI ETTA%2C+GA)
(404)973-3290 (tel:4049733290)
7.7 mi


J Series Blackberry
J-Series Screwdriver




8.
SAVE & GO EXPRESS
445 PAT MELL RD SE
SMYRNA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=SAVE+%26+GO+EXPRESS%2C+445+PAT+MELL+RD+SE%2C+SMY RNA%2C+GA)
(770)433-8111 (tel:7704338111)
9 mi


J Series Fruit Punch




9.
SEYAN SOUTH COBB
2711 SOUTH COBB DRIVE
SMYRNA, GA (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&z=14&q=SEYAN+SOUTH+COBB%2C+2711+SOUTH+COBB+DRIVE%2C+SMY RNA%2C+GA)
(770)405-8114 (tel:7704058114)
10 mi


J-Series Screwdriver





3 miles if he likes Blackberry or Fruit Punch. Gonna have to hoof it almost 4 to find varieties. Uber & Lyft are your friends!

Weak. Kennesaw needs to up their game. These are all in Brookings. Variety for days.

https://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac299/benpierson/Joose_zpsk6eh2nmz.png

[BurialGround]

First off, we are used to seeing people like you in December (checks... yup... joined December 2017 and didn't post in 2018 until 11/28). As far as your team goes... I'm sure we will see KSU in December often because you are in a patty cake conference and might play one tough team during the regular season... maybe. Any respectable program from that conference would be in the playoffs every year, and most times you'll get a seed because again, you play no one and should have a record with 0 or 1 losses, depending on if you played a decent FBS team that year.

Last year you had an easier draw than anyone in the tournament. The team you lost to in the quarterfinals got whooped by NDSU 55-13. The team we lost to in the semifinals lost to NDSU 13-17 in the championship. You still haven't played a Big Sky, CAA, or MVFC team in the playoffs (or ever for that matter). At this point, KSU is a nice story and most people are rooting for you. Don't ruin it by being a complete tool bag. Wait until your team actually proves something against a team that actually means something.

Look, I agree that we need to beat a team like SDSU before we can talk any smack.

But we didn't have the easiest path to the quarters last year. Please. We didn't get a team from the NEC, Pioneer, or Patriot. Both teams we got were hot coming into the playoffs. Yes, I know JSU played an OVC schedule.

Also, we beat Montana State in a blizzard last year, and everyone here said we had no chance. That's a Big Sky team, and on the road.

[BisonFan02]

Weak. Kennesaw needs to up their game. These are all in Brookings. Variety for days.

https://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac299/benpierson/Joose_zpsk6eh2nmz.png

Of course Brookings has that market cornered.

[ksu_owls]

Weak. Kennesaw needs to up their game. These are all in Brookings. Variety for days.

https://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac299/benpierson/Joose_zpsk6eh2nmz.png

There’s a TacoMac, Tin Lizzy’s, and other bars right off of Chastain probably half a mile from the stadium. I don’t know what FuBear googled but there’s also a Sherlock’s and Total Wine which both have almost every drink you can find in Georgia within 2 miles. If you do come to the game you could easily get drunk by walking tailgate to tailgate. We are generous and hospitipal to our guests.

[CappinHard]

Look, I agree that we need to beat a team like SDSU before we can talk any smack.

But we didn't have the easiest path to the quarters last year. Please. We didn't get a team from the NEC, Pioneer, or Patriot. Both teams we got were hot coming into the playoffs. Yes, I know JSU played an OVC schedule.

Also, we beat Montana State in a blizzard last year, and everyone here said we had no chance. That's a Big Sky team, and on the road.

Ah, I missed Montana State, my bad. Your playoff teams were from the Southern, OVC, and the Southland (which you lost to, who then got whooped by NDSU). Not exactly the cream of the crop of the FCS. Let me know who had an easier path.

[Thumper 76]

Man this week is gunna be a hoot


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