Bracketology - Final

[BisonTru]

My Take:



Seeds

Autos:


At Larges:

First Four Out:


1. North Dakota St


Big South
Kennesaw St

Eastern Washington


Idaho State


2. Eastern Washington


Big Sky
Weber St

South Dakota St

North Dakota


3. Kennesaw St

CAA
Maine

UC Davis

Rhode Island


4. Colgate

MVFC
North Dakota St

James Madison

Eastern Tenn St


5. Weber St

NEC
Duquesne

Towson




6. South Dakota St


OVC
Jacksonville St

Northern Iowa

Next Four Out:


7. James Madison


Patroit
Colgate

Indiana St

Lamar


8. Maine

Pioneer
San Diego

Delaware

Chattanooga




Southern
Wofford

Stony Brook

Central Arkansas





Southland
Nicholls St

Elon

Monmouth







Montana St









Furman









SE Missouri St





Bracket



Incarnate Word















Furman









Jacksonville St
1. North Dakota St


















Indiana St
8. Maine








SE Missouri St



















Nicholls St









Stony Brook
4. Colgate


















Incarnate Word
5. Weber St








Montana St



















Elon









Wofford
3. Kennesaw St


















Northern Iowa
6. South Dakota St








Delaware



















Duquesne









Towson
7. James Madison


















San Diego
2. Eastern Washington









UC Davis

[JSUSoutherner]

Furman JSU to NDSU?

that's not exactly a bus trip.

I think KSU and JMU are more likely candidates. Also Colgate will not be higher than a 6.

[FUGameBreaker]

If you assume these teams are in:

NDSU
EWU
KSU
Weber St.
SDSU
Colgate
UC Davis
James Madison
Stony Brook
Maine
Towson
Delaware
Wofford
JSU
ETSU
Nicholls St.
San Diego
Duquesne
Elon

5 more at-larges up for grabs, updated list:



Furman: (4 losses)(1 FBS lose)(hurricane canceled game)
Top 25 wins - #15 Wofford
Worst loss - (6-5) Samfrod

Incarnate Word: (4 losses)(2 FBS losses)(canceled game on own volition)
Top 25 wins - none
Worst loss - (7-4) Lamar

UNI: (5 losses)(1 FBS lose)
Top 25 wins - #5 SDSU
Worst loss - (4-7) Youngstown St.

SE Missouri St.: (3 losses)(1 FBS lose)
Top 25 wins - #16 JSU
Worst loss - (5-6) Murray St.

Montana St.: (4 losses)(0 FBS games)
Top 25 wins - none
Worst loss - (6-5) Idaho St.

Indiana St.: (4 losses)(1 FBS lose)(1 lower division win)
Top 25 wins - none
Worst loss - (4-7) Missouri St.

Lamar: (4 losses)(1 FBS lose)(1 lower division win)
Top 25 wins - #24 Incarnate Word
Worst loss - (4-7) SE LA

EKU: (4 losses)(2 FBS losses)
Top 25 wins - none
Worst loss - (5-6) Murray State

[Professor Chaos]

You're missing UC Davis in your at-large list (you do have them in your bracket). You also are missing ETSU as even being in contention. IMO, they're in at 8-3.

[BisonTru]

You're missing UC Davis in your at-large list (you do have them in your bracket). You also are missing ETSU as even being in contention. IMO, they're in at 8-3.

Good catch on UC Davis. I had ETSU in my first four out. I don't believe they get in.

[Professor Chaos]

Good catch on UC Davis. I had ETSU in my first four out. I don't believe they get in.
Oh sorry, didn't catch that. I think ETSU is in over Incarnate Word but both teams have flawed resumes (as will any of the last few teams in this year).

[BisonTru]

Furman JSU to NDSU?

that's not exactly a bus trip.

I think KSU and JMU are more likely candidates. Also Colgate will not be higher than a 6.

JMU isn't a bus trip? I could have sent either Wofford/Elon to KSU or your matchup. Given you just played I sent Wofford/Elon. Time will tell what the committee does. JSU and Wofford are also both just outside looking in for a seed. I could see the committee seeding either or both.

[BisonTru]

Oh sorry, didn't catch that. I think ETSU is in over Incarnate Word but both teams have flawed resumes (as will any of the last few teams in this year).

Yah that could happen, but I'd think there would be a strong argument to see a second Southland team. UIW was my last team in. I listed my at larges in order, IMO.

[JSUSoutherner]

JMU isn't a bus trip? I could have sent either Wofford/Elon to KSU or your matchup. Given you just played I sent Wofford/Elon. Time will tell what the committee does. JSU and Wofford are also both just outside looking in for a seed. I could see the committee seeding either or both.

I don't think playing beforehand matters outside of round one. Remember the South Carolina brackets in 14 and 15 with CCU, CSU and El Cid?

[caribbeanhen]

Why N Iowa? beat em twice already.....

[BisonTru]

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[BisonTru]

I don't think playing beforehand matters outside of round one. Remember the South Carolina brackets in 14 and 15 with CCU, CSU and El Cid?

In those cases though I believe they had no other choice. With Wofford/Elon also being a bus trip to KSU, the committee has options that won't result in extra travel expense.

[JSUSoutherner]

In those cases though I believe they had no other choice. With Wofford/Elon also being a bus trip to KSU, the committee has options that won't result in extra travel expense.Shipping a JSU or Furman to Fargo sounds pretty pricey.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a SEMO/UNI or ISUb first round get sacrificed to the Bison.

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[BisonTru]

Shipping a JSU or Furman to Fargo sounds pretty pricey.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a SEMO/UNI or ISUb first round get sacrificed to the Bison.

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Once youre on a plane it's pricey no matter where they send them.

Cmon don't you wanna come up here for a game. The weather is wonderful this time of year.

[Bisonwinagn]

I think ETSU is in for sure. The last spot is between Incarnate word and Indiana State.

[WestCoastAggie]

Samford???

[FUGameBreaker]

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[ETSUfan1]

Samford has 5 D1 wins

[JSUSoutherner]

Once youre on a plane it's pricey no matter where they send them.

Cmon don't you wanna come up here for a game. The weather is wonderful this time of year.

I'd like to come up, but I won't be able to afford to come up until the semi-finals, maybe not even then.

[UpstateBison]

Samford has 5 D1 wins

Samford is out.

[Catbooster]

Assuming we make the playoffs, I expect to go through Weber (even though we played them this year). It's the only option within 400 miles (about 375 miles). Eastern is close at just over 400 miles.

[gofurman]

Good catch on UC Davis. I had ETSU in my first four out. I don't believe they get in.

Not pro-SoCon but I think ETSU is in. 8-3 and tied as SoCon champs?

[BisonTru]

Assuming we make the playoffs, I expect to go through Weber (even though we played them this year). It's the only option within 400 miles (about 375 miles). Eastern is close at just over 400 miles.

The bubble really weakened up. So I think you are a lick but yeah you’re probably for sure touted they Weber. Maybe EWU. Are they within 400 miles?


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[BisonTru]

The bubble really weakened up. So I think you are a lock but yeah you’re probably for sure touted they Weber. Maybe EWU. Are they within 400 miles?


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[Catbooster]

The bubble really weakened up. So I think you are a lick but yeah you’re probably for sure touted they Weber. Maybe EWU. Are they within 400 miles?


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We're a lick? Are you calling us suckers xeyebrowx. Have you been drinking as you watch the games today? xdrunkyx (I have). I'd call it 400 miles to EWU (Google maps says 415). Not sure how strict they are about 400 miles, but knowing how nit-picky the NCAA is...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

We're a lick? Are you calling us suckers xeyebrowx. Have you been drinking as you watch the games today? xdrunkyx (I have). I'd call it 400 miles to EWU (Google maps says 415).

I remember Coach Ash's wife complaining that EWU was just in bussing range :D

[Reign of Terrier]

No way ETSU is not in as a conference co champion. SEMO and incarnate word are not in over ETSU.

[Cocky]

My Take:



Seeds

Autos:


At Larges:

First Four Out:


1. North Dakota St

Big South
Kennesaw St

Eastern Washington

Idaho State


2. Eastern Washington

Big Sky
Weber St

South Dakota St

North Dakota


3. Kennesaw St

CAA
Maine

UC Davis

Rhode Island


4. Colgate

MVFC
North Dakota St

James Madison

Eastern Tenn St


5. Weber St

NEC
Duquesne

Towson




6. South Dakota St

OVC
Jacksonville St

Northern Iowa

Next Four Out:


7. James Madison

Patroit
Colgate

Indiana St

Lamar


8. Maine

Pioneer
San Diego

Delaware

Chattanooga




Southern
Wofford

Stony Brook

Central Arkansas




Southland
Nicholls St

Elon

Monmouth







Montana St









Furman









SE Missouri St





Bracket



Incarnate Word















Furman









Jacksonville St
1. North Dakota St


















Indiana St
8. Maine








SE Missouri St



















Nicholls St









Stony Brook
4. Colgate


















Incarnate Word
5. Weber St








Montana St



















Elon









Wofford
3. Kennesaw St


















Northern Iowa
6. South Dakota St








Delaware



















Duquesne









Towson
7. James Madison


















San Diego
2. Eastern Washington








UC Davis










I like JSUs place in this bracket. If we can somehow survive round one and go to Fargo it would be great. Our folks can see how well our program has grown or weaken since 2015

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

No way ETSU is not in as a conference co champion. SEMO and incarnate word are not in over ETSU.

I agree. The committee has a history of rewarding/favoring conference champions.

[PaladinFan]

DRatings.com's take: https://www.dratings.com/predictor/ncaa-football-predictions/fcs-playoff-projections/

As a Furman fan, I'd be all over this. Stony Brook, an option oriented Kennesaw team in a nest of Furman alums, and a potential matchup with Colgate.

[PaladinFan]

I agree. The committee has a history of rewarding/favoring conference champions.

They did leave an 8-4 UTC home in 2013.

[BisonTru]

DRatings.com's take: https://www.dratings.com/predictor/ncaa-football-predictions/fcs-playoff-projections/

As a Furman fan, I'd be all over this. Stony Brook, an option oriented Kennesaw team in a nest of Furman alums, and a potential matchup with Colgate.

I won’t argue with their teams in, but this bracket isn’t going to happen. They need to read the regionalization guidelines.


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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

They did leave an 8-4 UTC home in 2013.

To be fair it was a 3-way tie and UTC lost to Samford and UT-Martin. That's a tough one...lol

[Reign of Terrier]

They did leave an 8-4 UTC home in 2013.

I think it's a little different because that year there were 12 teams on the schedule, so there were a lot of 8 win teams inflated upon what would have normally been 7 win teams.

[BisonTru]

I think it's a little different because that year there were 12 teams on the schedule, so there were a lot of 8 win teams inflated upon what would have normally been 7 win teams.

ETSU only has 7 D1 wins.


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[PaladinFan]

I think it's a little different because that year there were 12 teams on the schedule, so there were a lot of 8 win teams inflated upon what would have normally been 7 win teams.

Perhaps. Still a SoCon co-champ (and probably the best team of the three) that was left home.

[Reign of Terrier]

ETSU only has 7 D1 wins.


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Not the point.

[FUGameBreaker]

DRatings.com's take: https://www.dratings.com/predictor/ncaa-football-predictions/fcs-playoff-projections/

As a Furman fan, I'd be all over this. Stony Brook, an option oriented Kennesaw team in a nest of Furman alums, and a potential matchup with Colgate.



I agree, that would be a good setup!

[wmmii]

You really have to dig deep to find 24 teams this year

since i am out of the CAA here thoughts for those parings:

Maine won CAA title so get Bye and top 5 seed then play winner of Stonybrook vs Dequesne
JMU gets Bye and plays winner of Delaware vs ETSU
Colgate get Bye and plays winner of Towson vs Furman
Kennesaw State top 3 Bye and gets winner of Elon vs Wofford

This follow the practice of rewarding the CAA champ and addresses the imbalance schedule in the CAA since Maine missed playing Stony, Delaware, JMU
JMU missed playing Delaware so gets them if they can beat ETSU

[BisonTru]

I seem to be in a minority that thinks ETSU isn't in, and I think some of the criticism is fair. So I did a new bracket with UIW out and ETSU in, which in hindsight is probably a more likely scenario....

Bracket 2.0



Seeds

Autos:


At Larges:

First Four Out:


1. North Dakota St



Big South
Kennesaw St

Eastern Washington



Incarnate Word


2. Eastern Washington



Big Sky
Weber St

South Dakota St

Idaho State


3. Kennesaw St

CAA
Maine

UC Davis

North Dakota


4. Colgate

MVFC
North Dakota St

James Madison

Rhode Island


5. Weber St

NEC
Duquesne

Towson




6. South Dakota St



OVC
Jacksonville St

Northern Iowa

Next Four Out:


7. James Madison



Patroit
Colgate

Indiana St

Lamar


8. Maine

Pioneer
San Diego

Delaware

Chattanooga




Southern
Wofford

Stony Brook

Central Arkansas






Southland
Nicholls St

Elon

Monmouth







Montana St









Furman









SE Missouri St





Bracket



ETSU















Furman









Jacksonville St
1. North Dakot St


















Indiana St
8. Maine








SE Missouri St



















ETSU









Stony Brook
4. Colgate


















Nicholls St
5. Weber St








Montana St



















Elon









Wofford
3. Kennesaw St


















Northern Iowa
6. South Dakota St








Delaware



















Duquesne









Towson
7. James Madison


















San Diego
2. Eastern Washington










UC Davis

[katss07]

Why should Colgate be a 4 seed? Not seeing it...

[BisonTru]

Why should Colgate be a 4 seed? Not seeing it...

Outside of their FBS game, they haven't allowed a TD in any game minus one final quarter of their first game. The Patriot is weak but they dominated it like a top FCS team would.

[clawman]

Once youre on a plane it's pricey no matter where they send them.

Cmon don't you wanna come up here for a game. The weather is wonderful this time of year.

Why do they call it the Fargodome?

[BisonTru]

This is from NDSUstudent on Bisonville:
http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?39744-FINAL-Bracketology&p=1310813#post1310813

As per tradition moving my final bracket to the football forum, I feel really comfortable about the 24 that I have in but the seeds are a mess to sort through....SDSU's lack of quality wins might hurt them....

Autobids:
Big Sky: Weber State
Big South: KSU
CAA: Maine
MVFC: NDSU
NEC: Duquesne
OVC: JSU
PL: Colgate
PFL: San Diego
SoCon: Wofford
SLC: Nicholls State

The Field:
SEMO at ISUB vs 1.NDSU
USD at Nicholls 8. UCD

ETSU at Towson vs 4. EWU
SBU at Maine vs 5. SDSU


Elon at Wofford vs 3. KSU
Duquesne at Delaware vs 6. Colgate


UNI at Montana State vs 2. WSU
Furman at JSU vs 7. JMU



At-Large: JMU, UCD, EWU, SDSU, ISUB, Towson, Delaware, Furman, ETSU, SEMO, Elon, SBU, Montana State and UNI

Bubble: Incarnate Word, Lamar, Monmouth, EKU

[ming01]

Samford has 5 D1 wins

Its too bad since they beat Etsu, Furman, and Wofford

[BisonTru]

Btw, here's the committee if any of you guys want to send some emotionally motivated emails tomorrow. :)

FWIW, being on the committee kind of hurts your own team as you can't be in the room or vote for them. This could hurt JSU's chances at a seed, and all but surely puts Rhody on the outside looking in.

Kyle Moats
Director of Athletics
Missouri State University

Tim Murray
Director of Athletics
Marist Colleg

Greg Seitz
Director of Athletics
Jacksonville State University

Thorr Bjorn
Director of Athletics
University of Rhode Island

Bill Smith
Director of Athletics
Bryant University

Jermaine Truax
Director of Athletics
Bucknell University

Robert Roller
Director of Athletics
Campbell University

Randy Eaton
Director of Athletics
Western Carolina University

Brad Teague, chair
Director of Athletics
University of Central Arkansas

Kent Haslam
Director of Athletics
University of Montana

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Btw, here's the committee if any of you guys want to send some emotionally motivated emails tomorrow. :)

FWIW, being on the committee kind of hurts your own team as you can't be in the room or vote for them. This could hurt JSU's chances at a seed, and all but surely puts Rhody on the outside looking in.

Kyle Moats
Director of Athletics
Missouri State University

Tim Murray
Director of Athletics
Marist Colleg

Greg Seitz
Director of Athletics
Jacksonville State University

Thorr Bjorn
Director of Athletics
University of Rhode Island

Bill Smith
Director of Athletics
Bryant University

Jermaine Truax
Director of Athletics
Bucknell University

Robert Roller
Director of Athletics
Campbell University

Randy Eaton
Director of Athletics
Western Carolina University

Brad Teague, chair
Director of Athletics
University of Central Arkansas

Kent Haslam
Director of Athletics
University of Montana

Interesting that quite a few of the committee members come from schools with terrible football programs.

[ming01]

San Diego at UC-Davis vs 1. NDSU
Wofford at Elon vs 8. James Madison

Towson at UNI vs 4. SDSU
Furman at JSU vs 5. Kennesaw St

SEMO at Indiana St vs 3. Eastern Wash
ETSU at Stony Brook vs 6. Maine

Duquesne at Delaware vs 7. Colgate
Nicholls at Montana St vs 2. Weber St

[BisonTru]

Interesting that quite a few of the committee members come from schools with terrible football programs.

That's really what you want as a conference as they can argue all day for teams in their conference but not their own team. I think that comes into who to send to the committee for most conferences.

[BisonTru]

San Diego at UC-Davis vs 1. NDSU
Wofford at Elon vs 8. James Madison

Towson at UNI vs 4. SDSU
Furman at JSU vs 5. Kennesaw St

SEMO at Indiana St vs 3. Eastern Wash
ETSU at Stony Brook vs 6. Maine

Duquesne at Delaware vs 7. Colgate
Nicholls at Montana St vs 2. Weber St

This is a pretty good bracket although I'd switch the NDSU/Eastern Washington second round matches.

[Sycamore62]

Im not sure ISUb is in because I don’t want to get my hopes up but I totally see us vs SEMO feeding to NDSU becuse we didnt play them this year.

As far as where the SEMO game would be, I assume whoever bid minimum plus $2 gets it because the guy who guessed Minimum +$1 screwed up

[ming01]

This is a pretty good bracket although I'd switch the NDSU/Eastern Washington second round matches.

I did to put a 4th Big Sky team seperate from the other 3. Same with the Valley teams with ISU. I guess you coukd feed ISUB games to SDSU and UNI to EWU too. But Cedar Falls is 350 miles to Brookings.

[BisonTru]

I did to put a 4th Big Sky team seperate from the other 3. Same with the Valley teams with ISU. I guess you coukd feed ISUB games to SDSU and UNI to EWU too

Good point. The committee made it point to do that after all 5 MVFC teams ended up on one side a couple years ago, to the point they can add plane ride if need be.

[JMUNJ08]

Kinda have this feeling that the committee will put JMU on the opposite side of the bracket for a potential rematch with NDSU in the finals. Quarters seems too early. Though, I do see them doing a revenge game with Weber if we were to both win our 2nd round games...

[BisonTru]

With four brackets posted with my revised bracket this is the consensus at larges:



Eastern Washington




South Dakota St


UC Davis


James Madison


Towson


Northern Iowa


Indiana St


Delaware


Stony Brook


Elon


Montana St


Furman


SE Missouri St


ETSU

[Reign of Terrier]

With four brackets posted with my revised bracket this is the consensus at larges:



Eastern Washington




South Dakota St


UC Davis


James Madison


Towson


Northern Iowa


Indiana St


Delaware


Stony Brook


Elon


Montana St


Furman


SE Missouri St


ETSU

Yep. Only way this is screwed up is if the committee pulls a fast one and puts in either Lamar or Incarnate Word.

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[POD Knows]

With four brackets posted with my revised bracket this is the consensus at larges:



Eastern Washington



South Dakota St


UC Davis


James Madison


Towson


Northern Iowa


Indiana St


Delaware


Stony Brook


Elon


Montana St


Furman


SE Missouri St


ETSU



I am pretty good with this but I wouldn't be surprised to see Lamar sneak in, it wouldn't surprise me to see UNI get dumped.

[lionsrking2]

My Take:



Seeds

Autos:


At Larges:

First Four Out:


1. North Dakota St

Big South
Kennesaw St

Eastern Washington

Idaho State


2. Eastern Washington

Big Sky
Weber St

South Dakota St

North Dakota


3. Kennesaw St

CAA
Maine

UC Davis

Rhode Island


4. Colgate

MVFC
North Dakota St

James Madison

Eastern Tenn St


5. Weber St

NEC
Duquesne

Towson




6. South Dakota St

OVC
Jacksonville St

Northern Iowa

Next Four Out:


7. James Madison

Patroit
Colgate

Indiana St

Lamar


8. Maine

Pioneer
San Diego

Delaware

Chattanooga




Southern
Wofford

Stony Brook

Central Arkansas




Southland
Nicholls St

Elon

Monmouth







Montana St









Furman









SE Missouri St





Bracket



Incarnate Word















Furman









Jacksonville St
1. North Dakota St


















Indiana St
8. Maine








SE Missouri St



















Nicholls St









Stony Brook
4. Colgate


















Incarnate Word
5. Weber St








Montana St



















Elon









Wofford
3. Kennesaw St


















Northern Iowa
6. South Dakota St








Delaware



















Duquesne









Towson
7. James Madison


















San Diego
2. Eastern Washington








UC Davis










IMO, Lamar should be in over UIW from the Southland. Beat them head-to-head and won six in a row to close out the season. Lamar improved as much as anybody from week 1 to week 11. They were a failed extra point away from creating a 3-way tie for first, and we beat them in a monsoon by less than a TD.

[Professor Chaos]

I think it comes down to Lamar and SEMO for that last spot. SEMO has a better win (JSU) than anything Lamar has but Lamar has better 2nd/3rd/4th wins than SEMO. They both have ugly losses but Lamar's ugly losses are early in the season. I think in the end that JSU win puts SEMO over the edge but it can go either way.

I also think Rhode Island is an interesting case study. I realize they're 6-5 but their losses are FBS UConn, Maine, Stony Brook, JMU, and Elon. All of those FCS losses are to likely playoff teams and they also have wins over Delaware and Harvard. I think the biggest thing they have working against them is the fact that they're 7th in the CAA pecking order. But I think they're comparable to teams like Lamar and SEMO.

EDIT: And the fact that the 7th CAA team is comparable to the 2nd OVC and SLC team is kind of telling...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Kinda have this feeling that the committee will put JMU on the opposite side of the bracket for a potential rematch with NDSU in the finals. Quarters seems too early. Though, I do see them doing a revenge game with Weber if we were to both win our 2nd round games...

While it may not be officially listed, ESPN also has a committee member. They have games to sell....

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Kinda have this feeling that the committee will put JMU on the opposite side of the bracket for a potential rematch with NDSU in the finals. Quarters seems too early. Though, I do see them doing a revenge game with Weber if we were to both win our 2nd round games...


I agree with the opposite side scenario. No way is JMU a #8 IMO.

[kalm]

Committee shenanigans and homerism acknowledged but i don’t see why KSU and SDSU are projected by so many ahead of Weber and EWU.

SDSU has a higher SOS (6) but not by a ton. Their best wins are ISUb in OT and they dominated Montana State at home (who was without Mr. Anderson) 44-14.

EWU is 12 in SOS destroyed a top 10 Davis 59-20 and beat Montana State 34-17 on the road. EWU’s margin of victory is also off the charts.

Weber is 18 in SoS beat EWU 14-6, MSU 43-24 at home and ISU 26-13 on the road. They’re one knock is a bad loss to NAU.

Both EWU and Weber lost to ranked PAC 12 teams and SDSU’s game against a decent Iowa State was cancelled giving them once less win at best.

KSU’s best win is not as good as either WSU’s or EWU’s, and their SoS (90) is garbage.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SOS plays a part in why they should be above EWU and Weber IMO.

Plus your margin of victory is a mute point IMO. Running up the score on teams like Portland State means nothing so that metric is void IMO. Scoring 20 points in the 4th quarter when already up by 30 says what? Trying to impress the committee by padding the score?

Eye ball test for me is that SDSU is the 2nd best team in the FCS. I'll give EWU some credit this year, they are playing defense instead of just hoping to outscore teams. Weber has a very good defense but their offense is meh at best (#102 in the FCS)....fine for a BSC regular season but if they come up against a very good defense....xeyebrowx

[kalm]

SOS plays a part in why they should be above EWU and Weber IMO.

Plus your margin of victory is a mute point IMO. Running up the score on teams like Portland State means nothing so that metric is void IMO. Scoring 20 points in the 4th quarter when already up by 30 says what? Trying to impress the committee by padding the score?

Eye ball test for me is that SDSU is the 2nd best team in the FCS. I'll give EWU some credit this year, they are playing defense instead of just hoping to outscore teams. Weber has a very good defense but their offense is meh at best (#102 in the FCS)....fine for a BSC regular season but if they come up against a very good defense....xeyebrowx

Yes, SoS plays a part but EWU is within a point in Massey. Look at the two schedules and SDSU faced one more playoff team (4) than EWU. Still, Wazzu is ranked #5 in FBS and SDSU didn't have to play Iowa State. Pretty damn close.

MOV is one of the metrics the committee uses for better or for worse, but it's capped at 20 points. i didn't care for us going for two at PSU either. That's not in Aaron Best's nature and we kneeled on it at NAU inside their 5 with a minute to go and only up 5. But three defenders went down with knee injuries in the first half against the Vikings and I watched PSU several times go after JT Tiuli's knees right off the snap. Our kicker was also injured and the back up missed his first two PAT's. You'd think they'd want to get him more reps but it sounds like Alcobendas will be fine for the playoffs so maybe they wanted to work on some 2 point conversion plays.

Plus...the team motto this year is leave no doubt after getting snubbed for an at-large. So they're kind of following script.

Other than that, the other scores were similar to what happens to the Bizon sometimes. You're up big, run hand off to your 4th string RB on the 3rd and 9 and he busts one for 70 yards. This occurred in several games this year. We were also breaking in a back up QB so Barriere did stay in later than Gubrud would have to get him his reps.

Regarding the eyeball test, SDSU looks really good. Better than EWU? I'd call it a push. They have a better passing game but we're ranked ahead of them in scoring defense.

Fairly close but if you apply the metrics the committee is supposed to be using, EWU should be seeded ahead.

Weber's offense has played better of late and that defense just shut down a top 5 offense in Idaho State. They've had a drop off at QB with Cantwell gone, but Constantine is starting to make better throws and Davis is workhorse. Besides, their O wasn't that great last year even with Cantwell but good enough to put a scare into JMU on the road.

[Cocky]

Why should Colgate be a 4 seed? Not seeing it...

Because they are good.

[Cocky]

Our game yesterday helped SEMO. With them beating us soundly then we have a 5OT game against a top seed did nothing but help.

I dont see UNI getting in with their record. If the selection committee is rewarding underperforming talent UNI will be in easily. UNI has a boatload of talent with a coaching staff not their equal.

This year seems to be more of a jumbled up mess than recent years. At least we know who the 1 seed will be.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Yes, SoS plays a part but EWU is within a point in Massey. Look at the two schedules and SDSU faced one more playoff team (4) than EWU. Still, Wazzu is ranked #5 in FBS and SDSU didn't have to play Iowa State. Pretty damn close.

MOV is one of the metrics the committee uses for better or for worse, but it's capped at 20 points. i didn't care for us going for two at PSU either. That's not in Aaron Best's nature and we kneeled on it at NAU inside their 5 with a minute to go and only up 5. But three defenders went down with knee injuries in the first half against the Vikings and I watched PSU several times go after JT Tiuli's knees right off the snap. Our kicker was also injured and the back up missed his first two PAT's. You'd think they'd want to get him more reps but it sounds like Alcobendas will be fine for the playoffs so maybe they wanted to work on some 2 point conversion plays.

Plus...the team motto this year is leave no doubt after getting snubbed for an at-large. So they're kind of following script.

Other than that, the other scores were similar to what happens to the Bizon sometimes. You're up big, run hand off to your 4th string RB on the 3rd and 9 and he busts one for 70 yards. This occurred in several games this year. We were also breaking in a back up QB so Barriere did stay in later than Gubrud would have to get him his reps.

Regarding the eyeball test, SDSU looks really good. Better than EWU? I'd call it a push. They have a better passing game but we're ranked ahead of them in scoring defense.

Fairly close but if you apply the metrics the committee is supposed to be using, EWU should be seeded ahead.

Weber's offense has played better of late and that defense just shut down a top 5 offense in Idaho State. They've had a drop off at QB with Cantwell gone, but Constantine is starting to make better throws and Davis is workhorse. Besides, their O wasn't that great last year even with Cantwell but good enough to put a scare into JMU on the road.



Good points I guess so we'll see how it all shakes out.

As for EWU, like I have said in other threads, I like your coach. He realized after losing to NDSU last year that EWU had to get better on both lines. His post game interview was a good one. From what I have noticed watching EWU, they are better in the trenches and noticeably better on defense. NDSU is still a bad "match up" for them but they would probably do better in a game this year against the Bison.

I'm not worried at all about Davis or Weber in a possible NDSU game. The Davis defense is in the bottom 1/3 of the FCS and would get run over by the Bison. Weber has the defense to make the Bison offense struggle but their offense would not hold up against the Bison, esp in the FD.

JMU - No, not this year.
Kennesaw - No, 1-dimensional
Maine - No
Colgate - xlolx...No
SDSU - Yes, they can beat the Bison. Well rounded and the familiarity is key.
EWU - No for right now. They have the offense to give the Bison defense some trouble but is the defense significantly better to handle the power run game of the Bison? Plus ES is spreading the ball around in the passing game.

[katss07]

Because they are good.
They’re not as good as NDSU, SDSU, EWU, WSU, ect. They shouldn’t have home field in the quarterfinals.

[semobison]

Interesting how NDSU fans view SDSU. Sure they played us tough losing 21-17 but the Jacks gave up 54 points to ISUb, 38 to SIU, 28 to ISUr, 27 to USD and 24 to UNI in a loss. Their ranked 6th in total defense in the MVFC, not real good IMO.
I don't think a rematch with the Bison would be as close as the first game and if they are in the opposite bracket I don't know if they have the defense to make the final.

[RabidRabbit]

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I'd be happy if this is how this shakes out. Only downside seen, is SDSU plays someone a 2nd time. But if UNI makes field (they should), SDSU is the only busable seed.

[clawman]

Committee shenanigans and homerism acknowledged but i don’t see why KSU and SDSU are projected by so many ahead of Weber and EWU.

SDSU has a higher SOS (6) but not by a ton. Their best wins are ISUb in OT and they dominated Montana State at home (who was without Mr. Anderson) 44-14.

EWU is 12 in SOS destroyed a top 10 Davis 59-20 and beat Montana State 34-17 on the road. EWU’s margin of victory is also off the charts.

Weber is 18 in SoS beat EWU 14-6, MSU 43-24 at home and ISU 26-13 on the road. They’re one knock is a bad loss to NAU.

Both EWU and Weber lost to ranked PAC 12 teams and SDSU’s game against a decent Iowa State was cancelled giving them once less win at best.

KSU’s best win is not as good as either WSU’s or EWU’s, and their SoS (90) is garbage.

xthumbsupx

[ucdavisaggie05]

I'm going to beat the drum for my Ags getting a seed here. Yes, they were boatraced at EWU but that was their lone FCS loss, paired with a darn respectable FBS loss at Stanford and an FBS win over San Jose State. Placing UC Davis in the first round against a team they already destroyed in Week 2 is insane, although a potential rematch with EWU is intriguing...just not in the second round.

[Cocky]

They’re not as good as NDSU, SDSU, EWU, WSU, ect. They shouldn’t have home field in the quarterfinals.
Agree with the NDSU not sure on the others. Colgate looked impressive v Army. Army has a good team. Loss to Duke and a OT game to Oklahoma.

[JacksFan40]

Interesting how NDSU fans view SDSU. Sure they played us tough losing 21-17 but the Jacks gave up 54 points to ISUb, 38 to SIU, 28 to ISUr, 27 to USD and 24 to UNI in a loss. Their ranked 6th in total defense in the MVFC, not real good IMO.
I don't think a rematch with the Bison would be as close as the first game and if they are in the opposite bracket I don't know if they have the defense to make the final.
Didn’t you guys almost lose to YSU? SDSU’s offense is capable of putting up 30-40 no matter who they play, it’s just a matter of what SDSU shows up. Christon missed some wide open passes and the receivers dropped a few big gains as well. If they shore that up SDSU would’ve won against NDSU.

[NDSUtk]

Didn’t you guys almost lose to YSU? SDSU’s offense is capable of putting up 30-40 no matter who they play, it’s just a matter of what SDSU shows up. Christon missed some wide open passes and the receivers dropped a few big gains as well. If they shore that up SDSU would’ve won against NDSU.No. We beat YSU by 10. Never trailed and YSU scored 7 total points. Don't think you can say we almost lost.

[maine612]

I've seen many posts and brackets with Maine having a first round road game. To me, that would be completely disappointing. They rose to the top of the CAA and beat a "stronger" and higher ranked Elon team to clinch. If they don't get a bye and James Madison does, you have to wonder why you even play the games. Just give it to the teams that have a better reputation or that "look better". I am hoping the committee does the right thing and gives Maine a seed because they earned it.

612

[JacksFan40]

No. We beat YSU by 10. Never trailed and YSU scored 7 total points. Don't think you can say we almost lost.
You played like horsecrap I meant, obviously YSU was never going to win, they suck.

[kalm]

I've seen many posts and brackets with Maine having a first round road game. To me, that would be completely disappointing. They rose to the top of the CAA and beat a "stronger" and higher ranked Elon team to clinch. If they don't get a bye and James Madison does, you have to wonder why you even play the games. Just give it to the teams that have a better reputation or that "look better". I am hoping the committee does the right thing and gives Maine a seed because they earned it.

612

Both Maine and JMU are on the bubble. They are a little better in SoS despite your two FBS and I think this must reflect your weaker conference schdule. They have one less bad loss. You have one more quality win.

Close but their blowout win against a ranked Towson on the road yesterday will be more in the committee's mind than you're win over Elon at Elon at home. Plus they have a significant reputational advantage - not that that is necessarily right but I think it will.

Other than JMU I really don't see ahead of any of the other projected seeds.

Conference order of finish has nothing to do with seeding. Neither does hosting.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Both Maine and JMU are on the bubble. They are a little better in SoS despite your two FBS and I think this must reflect your weaker conference schdule. They have one less bad loss. You have one more quality win.

Close but their blowout win against a ranked Towson on the road yesterday will be more in the committee's mind than you're win over Elon at Elon at home. Plus they have a significant reputational advantage - not that that is necessarily right but I think it will.

Other than JMU I really don't see ahead of any of the other projected seeds.

Conference order of finish has nothing to do with seeding. Neither does hosting.


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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Interesting how NDSU fans view SDSU. Sure they played us tough losing 21-17 but the Jacks gave up 54 points to ISUb, 38 to SIU, 28 to ISUr, 27 to USD and 24 to UNI in a loss. Their ranked 6th in total defense in the MVFC, not real good IMO.
I don't think a rematch with the Bison would be as close as the first game and if they are in the opposite bracket I don't know if they have the defense to make the final.


They are still a top 1/3 total defense and a very good scoring defense (#24, 21.8).

I disagree. If there is a rematch it probably will go like the playoff game in '14, down to the wire.

[Derby City Duke]

My Take:



Seeds

Autos:


At Larges:

First Four Out:


1. North Dakota St

Big South
Kennesaw St

Eastern Washington

Idaho State


2. Eastern Washington

Big Sky
Weber St

South Dakota St

North Dakota


3. Kennesaw St

CAA
Maine

UC Davis

Rhode Island


4. Colgate

MVFC
North Dakota St

James Madison

Eastern Tenn St


5. Weber St

NEC
Duquesne

Towson




6. South Dakota St

OVC
Jacksonville St

Northern Iowa

Next Four Out:


7. James Madison

Patroit
Colgate

Indiana St

Lamar


8. Maine

Pioneer
San Diego

Delaware

Chattanooga




Southern
Wofford

Stony Brook

Central Arkansas




Southland
Nicholls St

Elon

Monmouth







Montana St









Furman









SE Missouri St





Bracket



Incarnate Word















Furman









Jacksonville St
1. North Dakota St


















Indiana St
8. Maine








SE Missouri St



















Nicholls St









Stony Brook
4. Colgate


















Incarnate Word
5. Weber St








Montana St



















Elon









Wofford
3. Kennesaw St


















Northern Iowa
6. South Dakota St








Delaware



















Duquesne









Towson
7. James Madison


















San Diego
2. Eastern Washington








UC Davis










Would think the committee would feed Delaware, not Towson, to JMU. UD and JMU didn't play this year while we just played Towson yesterday. This, of course, assumes JMU picks up a seed.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Would think the committee would feed Delaware, not Towson, to JMU. UD and JMU didn't play this year while we just played Towson yesterday. This, of course, assumes JMU picks up a seed.


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