Lafayette vs. Lehigh, 154th Meeting

[Pard4Life]

As terrible as the season has been for both teams, this game still deserves its own thread.

Will this thread devolve into the heated rhetoric of the past or a polite "no, my team is *****ier than thou"?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I stumbled upon this last night and believe this could be the best thing of the entire Lehigh-Lafayette week. It's clips from the 1987 broadcast aka "The Last Game at Taylor Ice Bowl". I wish some one would upload the entire broadcast. This is great piece of history and honestly its video footage I never thought I'd see.

1. What's the name of the play by play announcer? His voice resonates with my childhood.
2. What was TEMPO Sports?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqelZZOSWPQ&t=168s

[RichH2]

Thanks owl. Nice to see how we used to play D.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Thanks owl. Nice to see how we used to play D.

In '87 Lehigh beat Lafayette 17-10 and Colgate 7-6 who was led by eventual Payton Award winner Kenny Gamble. My how things have changed....lol

When you go back and look at the Small era defenses they honestly weren't too bad. Lehigh struggled to stop really good Holy Cross teams and Lafayette lit them up a couple times. Otherwise, I think he gets an unwarranted label as coach whose teams played poor defense.

[Southsider]

I stumbled upon this last night and believe this could be the best thing of the entire Lehigh-Lafayette week. It's clips from the 1987 broadcast aka "The Last Game at Taylor Ice Bowl". I wish some one would upload the entire broadcast. This is great piece of history and honestly its video footage I never thought I'd see.

1. The play by play guy What's the name of the play by play announcer? His voice resonates with my childhood.
2. What was TEMPO Sports?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqelZZOSWPQ&t=168s

Our Georgetown poster put this up a few weeks ago. Great stuff. The play by play guy was Sheldon Siegel from the local PBS station. I took my 9 year old nephew to that game and he dotted it out to the very end.Years later he was a starter for the Pards. Great times for sure compared to what we are witnessing now!

[CHIP72]

For the first time ever, I'll be attending this game when it is played on campus. My primary concern is figuring out how early I should get there to get reasonably close on-street parking in College Hill. I typically like to park south of Lafayette Street and west of Cattell Street. If I get down there by 11 AM, will I be able to find a spot that meets those criteria? Also, will the Easton police enforce the 2 hour maximum parking limit on some of the streets? (I suspect the latter rule is really meant for during the week with students who have cars; they've never enforced it for Saturday football games the last few years when I've gone to games at Fisher Stadium.)

I think for the first time since the L-L 150 game at Yankee Stadium, Lafayette should be considered the favorite and the better team, though the quality (or maybe more accurately, lack of quality) between the two games is close.

One other thought - I'll probably be the only person at Fisher Stadium who will have attended the Mississippi State/Alabama game (and also the Southern Mississippi/UAB game) one week and the Lehigh/Lafayette game the next week, LOL. (Hopefully for the sake of the female students at Lafayette and Lehigh who attend L-L 154, they don't dress like some of the stupid girls who attended the Mississippi State/Alabama game that were probably freezing to death and dressed like it was 70 degrees F rather than below 50 degrees F, LOL.)

[PAllen]

For the first time ever, I'll be attending this game when it is played on campus. My primary concern is figuring out how early I should get there to get reasonably close on-street parking in College Hill. I typically like to park south of Lafayette Street and west of Cattell Street. If I get down there by 11 AM, will I be able to find a spot that meets those criteria? Also, will the Easton police enforce the 2 hour maximum parking limit on some of the streets? (I suspect the latter rule is really meant for during the week with students who have cars; they've never enforced it for Saturday football games the last few years when I've gone to games at Fisher Stadium.)

I think for the first time since the L-L 150 game at Yankee Stadium, Lafayette should be considered the favorite and the better team, though the quality (or maybe more accurately, lack of quality) between the two games is close.

One other thought - I'll probably be the only person at Fisher Stadium who will have attended the Mississippi State/Alabama game (and also the Southern Mississippi/UAB game) one week and the Lehigh/Lafayette game the next week, LOL. (Hopefully for the sake of the female students at Lafayette and Lehigh who attend L-L 154, they don't dress like some of the stupid girls who attended the Mississippi State/Alabama game that were probably freezing to death and dressed like it was 70 degrees F rather than below 50 degrees F, LOL.)

Auditioning for that modelling/arm candy gig during a nationally televised game.

[RichH2]

In '87 Lehigh beat Lafayette 17-10 and Colgate 7-6 who was led by eventual Payton Award winner Kenny Gamble. My how things have changed....lol

When you go back and look at the Small era defenses they honestly weren't too bad. Lehigh struggled to stop really good Holy Cross teams and Lafayette lit them up a couple times. Otherwise, I think he gets an unwarranted label as coach whose teams played poor defense.

Very true. D did not get best athletes but they played hard. Recall back then Kevin telling me it was a struggle to keep athletes from Hank. He usually glommed the best for the offense.:)

[LehighU11]

I typically like to park south of Lafayette Street and west of Cattell Street. If I get down there by 11 AM, will I be able to find a spot that meets those criteria?
Doubtful, but one of the more veteran LC or LU posters can perhaps help more. In my previous 3 trips to College Hill for Lehigh-Lafayette, I've always parked and tailgated on Lafayette St. west of Coleman St. That area is more popular among Lehigh alumni. By 10 AM, cars are parked along both sides of Lafayette St. for quite a distance west from Coleman St. Driveways, lots, and street parking are packed earlier than 11 AM in the area you described.

[Pards Rule]

I stumbled upon this last night and believe this could be the best thing of the entire Lehigh-Lafayette week. It's clips from the 1987 broadcast aka "The Last Game at Taylor Ice Bowl". I wish some one would upload the entire broadcast. This is great piece of history and honestly its video footage I never thought I'd see.

1. What's the name of the play by play announcer? His voice resonates with my childhood.
2. What was TEMPO Sports?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqelZZOSWPQ&t=168s
DAMN!! Coldest Lehigh game I was ever at!! Stayed whole game even though both teams were assured of losing records if one won! Even stayed and watched some of the "5th quarter" action (tearing down goalposts and fights after game) but very glad to get back to my 1986 4 door Escort company car after it was over! Thanks for posting! Any actual weather numbers from that game: temp, wind, wind chill?

[Ivytalk]

CHIP72, did you buy any of those sweet young things a drink?

[Pards Rule]

I stumbled upon this last night and believe this could be the best thing of the entire Lehigh-Lafayette week. It's clips from the 1987 broadcast aka "The Last Game at Taylor Ice Bowl". I wish some one would upload the entire broadcast. This is great piece of history and honestly its video footage I never thought I'd see.

1. What's the name of the play by play announcer? His voice resonates with my childhood.
2. What was TEMPO Sports?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqelZZOSWPQ&t=168s
DAMN!! Coldest Lehigh game I was ever at!! Stayed whole game even though both teams were assured of losing records if one won! Even stayed and watched some of the "5th quarter" action (tearing down goalposts and fights after game) but very glad to get back to my 1986 4 door Escort company car after it was over! Thanks for posting! Any actual weather numbers from that game: temp, wind, wind chill?

[Pards Rule]

I dont think there were a thousand fans left at the end...most departed at halftime to watch game in warm confines of nearby bars! I forgot Jimmy Johnson caught the lone TD pass for Leopards that game. Remember that he was the frosh QB that was not starter for most of games in 1984, but picked to go up against Lehigh and earned the MVP trophy that game in a 28-7 upset of the Engineers in Easton. Lafayette finished 5-5 that season. I recall going to the old Steak N Ale off Rt 22 (RIP) after the game with alums and pronounced it a winning season (at .500) because we beat Lehigh!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Our Georgetown poster put this up a few weeks ago. Great stuff. The play by play guy was Sheldon Siegel from the local PBS station. I took my 9 year old nephew to that game and he dotted it out to the very end.Years later he was a starter for the Pards. Great times for sure compared to what we are witnessing now!

Can't believe I missed that! Props to him!!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Doubtful, but one of the more veteran LC or LU posters can perhaps help more. In my previous 3 trips to College Hill for Lehigh-Lafayette, I've always parked and tailgated on Lafayette St. west of Coleman St. That area is more popular among Lehigh alumni. By 10 AM, cars are parked along both sides of Lafayette St. for quite a distance west from Coleman St. Driveways, lots, and street parking are packed earlier than 11 AM in the area you described.

I drove to Fisher in 2016 and had no issues. I parked about 4 blocks east of the stadium on Pierce without any concern. Plenty of open spots on the street far from any shenanigans. If both teams weren't terrible I'd do it again. As it is, Temple-USF and Notre Dame-Syracuse take priority....

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

DAMN!! Coldest Lehigh game I was ever at!! Stayed whole game even though both teams were assured of losing records if one won! Even stayed and watched some of the "5th quarter" action (tearing down goalposts and fights after game) but very glad to get back to my 1986 4 door Escort company car after it was over! Thanks for posting! Any actual weather numbers from that game: temp, wind, wind chill?

The windchill listed by Lehigh (who originally posted the video) was -17! That's pretty darn cold!!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I dont think there were a thousand fans left at the end...most departed at halftime to watch game in warm confines of nearby bars! I forgot Jimmy Johnson caught the lone TD pass for Leopards that game. Remember that he was the frosh QB that was not starter for most of games in 1984, but picked to go up against Lehigh and earned the MVP trophy that game in a 28-7 upset of the Engineers in Easton. Lafayette finished 5-5 that season. I recall going to the old Steak N Ale off Rt 22 (RIP) after the game with alums and pronounced it a winning season (at .500) because we beat Lehigh!

Before I found the '87 Lehigh-Lafayette highlights I stumbled upon the 1988 4A State Final at Beaver Stadium between Pittsburgh Central Catholic and Cedar Cliff. The QB for Cedar Cliff was none other than Tom Kirchoff (who had a good career at Lafayette). His favorite target was eventual PSU star TE Kyle Brady. The announcers were Bruce Ariens and Al Meltzer. It was a really cool watch given the eventual paths of those associated in that game.

[CHIP72]

Auditioning for that modelling/arm candy gig during a nationally televised game.

I saw some of those girls where I was sitting - 2 rows from the top of the stadium in the end zone. CBS didn’t have any camera crews up there. (Unfortunately, Alabama didn’t have any oxygen tanks up there either after going up 30 steep steps.)


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[Pards Rule]

Before I found the '87 Lehigh-Lafayette highlights I stumbled upon the 1988 4A State Final at Beaver Stadium between Pittsburgh Central Catholic and Cedar Cliff. The QB for Cedar Cliff was none other than Tom Kirchoff (who had a good career at Lafayette). His favorite target was eventual PSU star TE Kyle Brady. The announcers were Bruce Ariens and Al Meltzer. It was a really cool watch given the eventual paths of those associated in that game.

Yes RIP to Tom Kirchoff who had ALS and wrote an impassioned letter Tavani read to team just before #150. Tom passed the following spring. Some great home grown PA players playing for PA teams!

[CHIP72]

CHIP72, did you buy any of those sweet young things a drink?

Hell no - I wasn’t climbing up and down those rows and rows of steep steps to buy anyone drinks, except maybe me to soothe my parched throat after all the climbing! LOL.

Incidentally, Bryant-Denny Stadium is a reasonably nice stadium, nicer than Beaver Stadium IMO (which mind you isn’t saying much), but it is too damn big. I like the fact it is actually in Tuscaloosa along city streets with restaurants and other commercial development right nearby.

In addition to the above, I’ll note Legion Field in Birmingham looks ancient and is decrepit, but does have good sight lines for a football stadium. I can understand why it was a big-time football stadium in its day and even why it hosts a college bowl game today.


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[Pards Rule]

The windchill listed by Lehigh (who originally posted the video) was -17! That's pretty darn cold!!
I recall it being near -20!! I think the air temp was low to mid 20s but that fricking NW wind was climbing over the stadium walls at like 20-25 mph and gusts to 40! I was young then (25 on Sept 11th) so I had more stamina. Not sure if I could do it today!!

[CHIP72]

I drove to Fisher in 2016 and had no issues. I had about 4 down east of the stadium on Pierce without any concern. Plenty of open spots on the street far from any shenanigans. If both teams weren't terrible I'd do it again. As it is, Temple-USF and Notre Dame-Syracuse take priority....

I would have given serious thought to attending the South Florida/Temple game had it been a night game. Football doubleheaders on back-to-back weekends would have been great!


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[Pard4Life]

Parking never really a problem... always find a spot east of campus somewhere. Never a big deal. Just need to walk a few blocks. Avoid the traffic by going on 611 and then up Lafayette St. by the park.

[Pard4Life]

I find it SAD this game will not be a sellout. Media said 1000 tickets remained before the Army game. That means under 12,000... ugh... it was only a few years ago LC brought in extra bleachers. Ah the good old days of 10 years ago.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I find it SAD this game will not be a sellout. Media said 1000 tickets remained before the Army game. That means under 12,000... ugh... it was only a few years ago LC brought in extra bleachers. Ah the good old days of 10 years ago.

My first LU-LC game was in '90 (E-Train Game), then went to '91, '93, '95 then everyone from '97 through 2016. Didn't go last year due to the weather and "blah" teams. Not going to go this year because both teams stink. It honestly doesn't matter to me if Lehigh loses so long as they play hard. The bigger picture is far more important imo.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Hell no - I wasn’t climbing up and down those rows and rows of steep steps to buy anyone drinks, except maybe me to soothe my parched throat after all the climbing! LOL.

Incidentally, Bryant-Denny Stadium is a reasonably nice stadium, nicer than Beaver Stadium IMO (which mind you isn’t saying much), but it is too damn big. I like the fact it is actually in Tuscaloosa along city streets with restaurants and other commercial development right nearby.

In addition to the above, I’ll note Legion Field in Birmingham looks ancient and is decrepit, but does have good sight lines for a football stadium. I can understand why it was a big-time football stadium in its day and even why it hosts a college bowl game today.


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I went to the Michigan-SMU game at the "Big House" this year and found it to be a great place to watch a game. I was in the corner, row 40 and could see both ends of the field just fine with good depth perception. The biggest issue is the parking. I took the shuttle from a local mall just south of the stadium which worked out pretty well. There just isn't mush traditional parking/tailgating to speak of. The Donald Ross golf course is literally the #1 place to park for non-pass holders. That just makes me cringe.

I did Notre Dame Stadium last year and absolutely loved that! The whole campus is just buzzing. Parking and tailgating seemed a lot easier to accomplish. I've been a big ND fan my whole life so it was a treat. I want to go back for a big time game.

Beaver Stadium blows! The atmosphere is great but the stadium itself is a hunk of metal junk. It's literally an erector set with rickety catwalks to get you to the upper level seats. And when it rains the cow pastures...err parking lots become useless!! Are the renovation set in stone? I heard rumors but nothing concrete?

The Carrier Dome is a pretty cool/unique place for a game. I was there for the 'Cuse-NC State game two weeks ago. Saw the Lamar Jackson show there in '16 and the Clemson upset last year. That's going to be renovated after the hoops season ends iirc.

I've done Temple road trips to Penn State, East Carolina, Kent State and Army.

Lane Stadium (Virginia Tech), Neyland Stadium (Tennessee) and Camp Randall (Wisconsin) are on my bucket list along with either a Alabama or Auburn game combined with the October Talladega NASCAR race.

To tie it back to Lehigh-Lafayette, no matter what "big time" place you visit it's still nothing quite like "The Rivalry". It just desperately needs quality, meaningful games to get people re engaged.

[ngineer]

I was at the '87 game in Taylor with my, then, 7 year old daughter. My wife gave me all sorts of lectures before leaving. Daughter was so bundled up she could hardly walk, but she ALWAYS went to Lehigh football games with Daddy. However, for the only time in my life(thiis will be game #48 for me), I left at the half, knowing it was really nuts being out their in that freezing wind. I will be at this years, and will plan to park somewhere east of the stadium. With this year's teams, parking should not be a problem. Our Class of '74 tailgate will be at the same location at the dentist's office across from the College Hill Tavern. My son, who I don't get to see much due to him being an airline pilot and living in NC, will be visiting for Thanksgiving, so I will have him along. Looking forward to the day.

[RichH2]

I was at the '87 game in Taylor with my, then, 7 year old daughter. My wife gave me all sorts of lectures before leaving. Daughter was so bundled up she could hardly walk, but she ALWAYS went to Lehigh football games with Daddy. However, for the only time in my life(thiis will be game #48 for me), I left at the half, knowing it was really nuts being out their in that freezing wind. I will be at this years, and will plan to park somewhere east of the stadium. With this year's teams, parking should not be a problem. Our Class of '74 tailgate will be at the same location at the dentist's office across from the College Hill Tavern. My son, who I don't get to see much due to him being an airline pilot and living in NC, will be visiting for Thanksgiving, so I will have him along. Looking forward to the day.

Shiver when I think of that game. i made it to the early 3rd. Couldnt ferl my face. Went to Rosies right behind the visitor's stands. A Rusty Nail hit the spot. Still couldnt ferl my face but I no longer cared. :)

[Pard4Life]

Ugh this thread is so boringly civil... need to get c2 and Bogie over here

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Ugh this thread is so boringly civil... need to get c2 and Bogie over here

You can't hurl enough insults either way that will cut a deeper wound than the end result of having to watch both teams play recently. Well, in Lafayette's case the last decade. If Lafayette wins and the end result is Coen leaving for sure do the Leopards really win? Maybe the battle, but not the war. Which would continue the theme of the last 40+ years xsmiley_wix

[RichH2]

Ugh this thread is so boringly civil... need to get c2 and Bogie over here
Kinda agree P4L. There is no heat this year. We both suck. And we both have for a while. I cant speak for others but I have no zest for the repartee, as enjoyable as it usually is.
Lets hope for a good game.

[Ivytalk]

Hell no - I wasn’t climbing up and down those rows and rows of steep steps to buy anyone drinks, except maybe me to soothe my parched throat after all the climbing! LOL.

Incidentally, Bryant-Denny Stadium is a reasonably nice stadium, nicer than Beaver Stadium IMO (which mind you isn’t saying much), but it is too damn big. I like the fact it is actually in Tuscaloosa along city streets with restaurants and other commercial development right nearby.

In addition to the above, I’ll note Legion Field in Birmingham looks ancient and is decrepit, but does have good sight lines for a football stadium. I can understand why it was a big-time football stadium in its day and even why it hosts a college bowl game today.


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The Quakers could have used you at Franklin Field on Saturday. You usually bring them good luck, no?xlolx

[CHIP72]

The Quakers could have used you at Franklin Field on Saturday. You usually bring them good luck, no?xlolx

I did when they pulled a win out of their hat against Princeton in 2015. I didn't though in Al Bagnoli's last home game as Penn's head coach. :(

Incidentally, IMO Legion Field looks more decrepit (actually considerably more decrepit) than Franklin Field. The biggest problem at Franklin Field is the lack of amenities, including none in the upper deck.

[RichH2]

I did when they pulled a win out of their hat against Princeton in 2015. I didn't though in Al Bagnoli's last home game as Penn's head coach. :(

Incidentally, IMO Legion Field looks more decrepit (actually considerably more decrepit) than Franklin Field. The biggest problem at Franklin Field is the lack of amenities, including none in the upper deck.
Always liked Franklin,at least on the lower level. Liked old Palmer Stadium back in the 60s. I would put Yale Bowl in there but I dont like Reno :)

[Pard4Life]

If Lehigh wins this game, how does it happen?

My bet is O'Malley throwing more INTs than TDs and Garrett calling stretch run plays.

At least we no longer call three straight up the middle runs at the goal line. Tavani did it TWO STRAIGHT YEARS... easily cost us 2009 game but got 3 out of it in 2010.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If Lehigh wins this game, how does it happen?

My bet is O'Malley throwing more INTs than TDs and Garrett calling stretch run plays.

At least we no longer call three straight up the middle runs at the goal line. Tavani did it TWO STRAIGHT YEARS... easily cost us 2009 game but got 3 out of it in 2010.

You might want to revisit the tape of last week's game to see how ineffective Lehigh was at stopping "straight up the middle runs".

[Pard4Life]

You might want to revisit the tape of last week's game to see how ineffective Lehigh was at stopping "straight up the middle runs".

As insane as this would have sounded a week ago: we did a decent job running the ball on Army

Sounded like you guys gave up at Navy. We fought to the end and kept Army of the end zone as time ran out. Their starters were playing.

Guess that shows you the attitude of both teams: neither of us had a chance but Pards made something happen.

[CHIP72]

You might want to revisit the tape of the last couple seasons’ worth of games to see how ineffective Lehigh was at stopping "straight up the middle runs".

Corrected for accuracy.


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[carney2]

I have no zest for the repartee, as enjoyable as it usually is.

That makes two of us. None of this is any fun when you're rolling around in dog poop year after year after ... And, now that we're both down there in the droppings it's hardly worth driving to the stadium.

[ngineer]

Ugh this thread is so boringly civil... need to get c2 and Bogie over here


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[ngineer]

As insane as this would have sounded a week ago: we did a decent job running the ball on Army

Sounded like you guys gave up at Navy. We fought to the end and kept Army of the end zone as time ran out. Their starters were playing.

Guess that shows you the attitude of both teams: neither of us had a chance but Pards made something happen.

i really don't see Lehigh's problem being so much a talent difference, but an attitude or "heart" difference. I see no emotion. I don't see guys out there chomping at the bit to cause some mayhem. I feel like I watching someone 'going to work' and not loving it. I am reminded of the story of an interview done with some construction workers. The first interviewee when asked what he is doing says, "laying brick". The second interviewee in response says, "I'm building a building". The third worker says, "I'm erecting a cathedral". All doing the same job, but with a different vision. We have no vision at this point other than playing out the string. I will be stunned if we win on Saturday, and I have never said that before the previous 40+Rivalry games I've attended.

[Go...gate]

Always liked Franklin,at least on the lower level. Liked old Palmer Stadium back in the 60s. I would put Yale Bowl in there but I dont like Reno :)

Loved that old ballpark.

[Bill]

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[ngineer]

I did when they pulled a win out of their hat against Princeton in 2015. I didn't though in Al Bagnoli's last home game as Penn's head coach. :(

Incidentally, IMO Legion Field looks more decrepit (actually considerably more decrepit) than Franklin Field. The biggest problem at Franklin Field is the lack of amenities, including none in the upper deck.

I love Franklin Field for the view of the game, especially in the pitched upper deck. However, you are right about no "amenities" in the second deck. Plus, hardly any parking. My fondness for Franklin Field, though, goes back to my high school days and running in the Penn Relays in 1968-70. Back then a "synthetic" track was like being on the moon. Never felt so fast in my life. My senior year, we came in dead last in hour heat in the 4 x 100 relay...and broke our school record by over 2 full seconds...and which stood for over 20 years. Thank you, Franklin Field!

[ngineer]

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I think the loser should have a playoff with the loser of the Fordham/Bucknell game!

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I think the loser should have a playoff with the loser of the Fordham/Bucknell game!

[CHIP72]

I think the real question that needs to be asked is if Andy Coen’s job hinges on what happens in L-L 154. Lehigh’s lack of effort in a handful of games this year tells me Coen should be gone after this season regardless what happens in Easton on Saturday, but I also know that Lafayette’s impressive effort in dominating Lehigh in L-L 150 may have bought Frank Tavani two additional seasons with the Leopards. It should be noted those two additional seasons happened to be years in which Lafayette won a total of three games.


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[Pard4Life]

I think the real question that needs to be asked is if Andy Coen’s job hinges on what happens in L-L 154. Lehigh’s lack of effort in a handful of games this year tells me Coen should be gone after this season regardless what happens in Easton on Saturday, but I also know that Lafayette’s impressive effort in dominating Lehigh in L-L 150 may have bought Frank Tavani two additional seasons with the Leopards. It should be noted those two additional seasons happened to be years in which Lafayette won a total of three games.


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Ah the Frankosaurus... was Lehigh's nemesis... until he beat himself in 2009... from that point on he was a dinosaur

[ngineer]

If Lehigh wins this game, how does it happen?

My bet is O'Malley throwing more INTs than TDs and Garrett calling stretch run plays.

At least we no longer call three straight up the middle runs at the goal line. Tavani did it TWO STRAIGHT YEARS... easily cost us 2009 game but got 3 out of it in 2010.

Yes, I have no confidence that our players have confidence. Seems to be a lack of toughness, resiliency, and energy. No one holding anyone accountable for blown plays. So, yes, we can win, but only with Lafayette's help.

[ngineer]

You might want to revisit the tape of last week's game to see how ineffective Lehigh was at stopping "straight up the middle runs".

I still love seeing that goal line stand 2010 or so when the 'pards tried those three runs up the middle and on the fourth down play out MLB blew into the backfield for the final stop. God! How I wish were even 50% of that team in terms of effort, spirit and toughness.

[RichH2]

i really don't see Lehigh's problem being so much a talent difference, but an attitude or "heart" difference. I see no emotion. I don't see guys out there chomping at the bit to cause some mayhem. I feel like I watching someone 'going to work' and not loving it. I am reminded of the story of an interview done with some construction workers. The first interviewee when asked what he is doing says, "laying brick". The second interviewee in response says, "I'm building a building". The third worker says, "I'm erecting a cathedral". All doing the same job, but with a different vision. We have no vision at this point other than playing out the string. I will be stunned if we win on Saturday, and I have never said that before the previous 40+Rivalry games I've attended.

I hate to agree but I just dont see a different scenario. I wish I could. We would need the old Andy to reappear and fire these guys up. Maybe a miracle. Who knows?xdrunkyx

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I still love seeing that goal line stand 2010 or so when the 'pards tried those three runs up the middle and on the fourth down play out MLB blew into the backfield for the final stop. God! How I wish were even 50% of that team in terms of effort, spirit and toughness.

Groome was an absolute beast. Probably the most physical LB I've seen at Lehigh! The next week they physically took it to UNI!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06_RCoM51o

The '98 goal line stand and ensuing 90+ yard Jean TD was one to remember too. I think the 2012 team also had a goal line stand.

The 2008 game featured Kennedy's 100 yard INT return that completely changed the momentum. That was the most intense I think I ever recall Lehigh's student body. They brought it all game!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

20 years ago, Lehigh caps a perfect 11-0 regular season with a 31-7 romp over Lafayette


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVkOM3uR31g

[ngineer]

20 years ago, Lehigh caps a perfect 11-0 regular season with a 31-7 romp over Lafayette


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVkOM3uR31g

Thanks for posting that . What a team that was! Probably the closest thing Lehigh has ever had to a national championship caliber team. Passing, running, and strong defense. That goal line stand was special. After beating Richmond in the first round of the playoffs, lost oh so close to the eventual champion, UMass in the semifinals.

[carney2]

I think the real question that needs to be asked is if Andy Coen’s job hinges on what happens in L-L 154. Lehigh’s lack of effort in a handful of games this year tells me Coen should be gone after this season regardless what happens in Easton on Saturday, but I also know that Lafayette’s impressive effort in dominating Lehigh in L-L 150 may have bought Frank Tavani two additional seasons with the Leopards. It should be noted those two additional seasons happened to be years in which Lafayette won a total of three games.


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That is your opinion. Mine is that Tavani would be patrolling the Lafayette sideline this coming Saturday if he hadn't gone on that "They owe me money" rant after 152. The people in Easton who count don't give a rat's rear end who wins this Saturday or any Saturday. "Graduate your players, and don't give us any bad press" is the mantra.

[DFW HOYA]

Student interest lagging, per the Brown & White:

https://thebrownandwhite.com/2018/11/14/154-needs-more-rivalry-events-see-lower-attendance/

[Neighbor2]

Great to watch that clip! Those were MEN fighting with all they had. Maybe students (including athletes) these days have grown weak of mind and body. Can they regain that aggression Saturday?

I believe so. They can win this thing . . . . despite an awful 2018 coaching staff effort this year !
So, here goes . . .

Lehigh 20
Lafayette 17

[CHIP72]

Student interest lagging, per the Brown & White:

https://thebrownandwhite.com/2018/11/14/154-needs-more-rivalry-events-see-lower-attendance/

I think a certain AGS poster was quoted in that article. :)

[LehighU11]

Student interest lagging, per the Brown & White:

https://thebrownandwhite.com/2018/11/14/154-needs-more-rivalry-events-see-lower-attendance/
Both schools' administrations are to blame for the poor product on the field in recent years. However, the decline in student interest in The Rivalry mostly comes back to Lafayette.

LC was still busing in throngs of students to Goodman in 2009 when they had a solid program. Since 2011, significantly less students have made the trip from Easton to Goodman every two years. Sticking with Tavani until 2016 has resulted in 10 years of LC students who have known nothing but abysmal football on College Hill. LC students have mostly lost interest in football, while Lehigh students grow less enthusiastic about a rivalry where LU has won 8 of the last 10.

A look at the Rivalry week activities in recent years is also telling. Lehigh has bed races, the Turkey Trot, and a bonfire, while Lafayette's "marquis" event is eating leopard-shaped pancakes.

Understandably, a startling number of tragic alcohol-involved deaths at LC since 2012/2013 have led to a crackdown on the traditional gameday festivities. Many Lehigh students stayed away from LC in 2016 because of the strict rules that were announced.
https://thebrownandwhite.com/2016/11/17/lafayette-imposes-strict-rivalry-rules/

The students won't show up in larger numbers until both programs are consistently competitive, both OOC and in PL play. Early season blowout losses to CAA or Ivy teams and losses to Monmouth don't help stir up interest for PL games in less comfortable weather conditions. Tailgating and pre-game festivities should be encouraged (within reason) and not heavily policed. Until both LC and LU return to relevance at the FCS level and the gameday atmosphere is restored at both schools, it's difficult to see The Rivalry returning to its glory days before 2010.

[PAllen]

Thanks for posting that . What a team that was! Probably the closest thing Lehigh has ever had to a national championship caliber team. Passing, running, and strong defense. That goal line stand was special. After beating Richmond in the first round of the playoffs, lost oh so close to the eventual champion, UMass in the quarterfinals.

FYP. That was my last semester at Lehigh. I remember sitting at that game and thinking about sitting in the same spot during the '94 game. Oh, and the "Division III" chant was perfect.

Oh, and I'll add: players and coaches who cared and gave it their all.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Thought I posted this here: CSJ preview of Rivalry 154:

https://www.college-sports-journal.com/154th-meeting-of-college-footballs-most-played-rivalry-all-about-the-national-stage/

[ngineer]

Student interest lagging, per the Brown & White:

https://thebrownandwhite.com/2018/11/14/154-needs-more-rivalry-events-see-lower-attendance/

It seems to be lagging in all sporting events. A few years ago with a tremendous star player (CJ McCollum) on a very good basketball team, it was rare to have more than 1500 attend a basketball game. Go back 30 years when Queenan and Polaha led the team into the NCAAs crowds regularly approached 3,000. Wrestling does not sell out regularly, and yet a consistent top ten ranking in D-I. Years ago there were waiting lists for season tickets. No longer. Culture has changed.

[DFW HOYA]

It seems to be lagging in all sporting events. A few years ago with a tremendous star player (CJ McCollum) on a very good basketball team, it was rare to have more than 1500 attend a basketball game. Go back 30 years when Queenan and Polaha led the team into the NCAAs crowds regularly approached 3,000. Wrestling does not sell out regularly, and yet a consistent top ten ranking in D-I. Years ago there were waiting lists for season tickets. No longer. Culture has changed.

It's akin to the "main event" culture in the wrestling biz--if the big pay-per-view is coming to town, fans show up because they perceive it to be a big deal. If it's just the non-televised "house show", they don't.

Northeastern teams are no longer main event material, which is why undefeated Princeton is literally giving away tickets in its rivalry game with Penn. Is this what the future of Leh-Laf holds? Hopefully not.

https://goprincetontigers.com/news/2018/11/15/tickets-available-for-football-finale-tigers-set-to-honor-military-purple-heart-honoree-victor-prato-15.aspx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

It's akin to the "main event" culture in the wrestling biz--if the big pay-per-view is coming to town, fans show up because they perceive it to be a big deal. If it's just the non-televised "house show", they don't.

Northeastern teams are no longer main event material, which is why undefeated Princeton is literally giving away tickets in its rivalry game with Penn. Is this what the future of Leh-Laf holds? Hopefully not.

https://goprincetontigers.com/news/2018/11/15/tickets-available-for-football-finale-tigers-set-to-honor-military-purple-heart-honoree-victor-prato-15.aspx

Lots of reasons for this.

* Newspapers and magazines aren't the single point of hype anymore for football. Many pipes (TV, internet, Twitter) can give you the basic information about the game in a variety of methods, and many pipes also can make people feel like they are a part of a "nation" of fans, without the requirement of even going to a single game.

* The experience of following on Twitter, on your phone, is very convenient for people. You can drive your kid to jazz band practice at 3PM and still get your Lehigh fix on your phone in a variety of ways. The time one has at a game has to compete with that; it didn't always have to.

* Fewer and fewer people will sit out in the cold for a game unless it is a "main event" sort of thing. Lehigh/Lafayette still qualifies as a "main event" but a lot of the things that used to make it a "main event" have been removed or dialed back, like tailgating, promotions, and the like. It doesn't seem to have dawned on people that if you put enough restrictions on tailgating, students will stop going altogether.

I think that people will go to college games in general but they have to be truly great experiences, and truly great experiences cost money to stage. You need pregame/postgame concerts, fireworks, a variety of day and night games, possibly celebrities doing promotions. Better yet, talk to actual students and find out what would draw them out of their rooms and into the games. Free food? A four-hour tailgate? I have ideas, but they probably have better ones than me. I don't think people really know how to ask them what would interest them.

[Pards Rule]

NOTICE: For those of you coming up to Lehigh Valley today, please be aware that I-78 is closed in sections through the Lehigh Valley due to yesterday's unusual Nov. 15, 2018 snowfall. The Lehigh Valley got about 8 inches I heard. I suspect that the snow will melt in todays warmer temperatures. Im going up this afternoon.

[PAllen]

Lots of reasons for this.

* Newspapers and magazines aren't the single point of hype anymore for football. Many pipes (TV, internet, Twitter) can give you the basic information about the game in a variety of methods, and many pipes also can make people feel like they are a part of a "nation" of fans, without the requirement of even going to a single game.

* The experience of following on Twitter, on your phone, is very convenient for people. You can drive your kid to jazz band practice at 3PM and still get your Lehigh fix on your phone in a variety of ways. The time one has at a game has to compete with that; it didn't always have to.

* Fewer and fewer people will sit out in the cold for a game unless it is a "main event" sort of thing. Lehigh/Lafayette still qualifies as a "main event" but a lot of the things that used to make it a "main event" have been removed or dialed back, like tailgating, promotions, and the like. It doesn't seem to have dawned on people that if you put enough restrictions on tailgating, students will stop going altogether.

I think that people will go to college games in general but they have to be truly great experiences, and truly great experiences cost money to stage. You need pregame/postgame concerts, fireworks, a variety of day and night games, possibly celebrities doing promotions. Better yet, talk to actual students and find out what would draw them out of their rooms and into the games. Free food? A four-hour tailgate? I have ideas, but they probably have better ones than me. I don't think people really know how to ask them what would interest them.

Except that it doesn't cost the school much if anything to let the experience happen. People don't go to football games for fireworks displays and bounce houses. They go for the tailgating and game. For a generation now, Lehigh has restricted tailgating to the point of driving away the students. L/L used to have fraternity set ups that would make some big ten fans jealous. Let the party start at dawn and roll on into the evening with a short break for the game. Then young alums return for the party and game. As they age out of the hill scene, they come for the game and to reunite with friends and former classmates. Then they start bringing their kids. That's the fan base that Lehigh has cut off at the knees by killing the student tailgates for years.

[PAllen]

NOTICE: For those of you coming up to Lehigh Valley today, please be aware that I-78 is closed in sections through the Lehigh Valley due to yesterday's unusual Nov. 15, 2018 snowfall. The Lehigh Valley got about 8 inches I heard. I suspect that the snow will melt in todays warmer temperatures. Im going up this afternoon.

Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't planning on heading up, but if I was, this would definitely push me to head up through Reading.

[Pards Rule]

LFN wheres your fearless prediction/writeup please?

[RichH2]

Except that it doesn't cost the school much if anything to let the experience happen. People don't go to football games for fireworks displays and bounce houses. They go for the tailgating and game. For a generation now, Lehigh has restricted tailgating to the point of driving away the students. L/L used to have fraternity set ups that would make some big ten fans jealous. Let the party start at dawn and roll on into the evening with a short break for the game. Then young alums return for the party and game. As they age out of the hill scene, they come for the game and to reunite with friends and former classmates. Then they start bringing their kids. That's the fan base that Lehigh has cut off at the knees by killing the student tailgates for years.

+1

[Gate83]

Except that it doesn't cost the school much if anything to let the experience happen. People don't go to football games for fireworks displays and bounce houses. They go for the tailgating and game. For a generation now, Lehigh has restricted tailgating to the point of driving away the students. L/L used to have fraternity set ups that would make some big ten fans jealous. Let the party start at dawn and roll on into the evening with a short break for the game. Then young alums return for the party and game. As they age out of the hill scene, they come for the game and to reunite with friends and former classmates. Then they start bringing their kids. That's the fan base that Lehigh has cut off at the knees by killing the student tailgates for years.

This is what I've seen at Colgate as well. As the university made it harder for the kids to tailgate, the kids don't stop drinking... they just move out of the parking lots and back to the fraternity or off campus houses. There are several group houses less than 300 yards from the stadium that I've seen having raging day parties while the game goes on, none of those students feel any need to attend an event where they feel unwelcome.

And while the administration would never admit it, I think they're generally comfortable with this outcome as it gives them plausible deniability for any incidents that happen off campus. If school spirit/game attendance suffers some as a result, well that's a price they're perfectly willing to pay.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

LFN wheres your fearless prediction/writeup please?

That's coming later today. But if you want to know how to make Dead Leopard Punch, I have the recipe here in my Tailgate Report:

https://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2018/11/rivalry154-tailgate-report-and-how-to.html

[carney2]

NOTICE: For those of you coming up to Lehigh Valley today, please be aware that I-78 is closed in sections through the Lehigh Valley due to yesterday's unusual Nov. 15, 2018 snowfall. The Lehigh Valley got about 8 inches I heard. I suspect that the snow will melt in todays warmer temperatures. Im going up this afternoon.

I don't know what it's like on College Hill, but elsewhere in the Lehigh Valley, Friday has started off at a standstill. I would expect that snow plows have caused game time parking to be even more problematical than usual. Allow extra time.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Except that it doesn't cost the school much if anything to let the experience happen. People don't go to football games for fireworks displays and bounce houses. They go for the tailgating and game. For a generation now, Lehigh has restricted tailgating to the point of driving away the students. L/L used to have fraternity set ups that would make some big ten fans jealous. Let the party start at dawn and roll on into the evening with a short break for the game. Then young alums return for the party and game. As they age out of the hill scene, they come for the game and to reunite with friends and former classmates. Then they start bringing their kids. That's the fan base that Lehigh has cut off at the knees by killing the student tailgates for years.

Agree, and once you've killed that culture, it is very hard to grow back from scratch.

[CHIP72]

Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't planning on heading up, but if I was, this would definitely push me to head up through Reading.

I looked at the live traffic map on Google Maps this morning, and it appeared the non-rush hour related traffic issues were really only in the Lehigh Valley. Everywhere south and west of there (i.e. Reading, Lancaster, Harrisburg, and York) looked OK traffic-wise. (Update: I just checked again and it appears there may be an issue on I-83 on the southeast side of York. That stinks.)

I suspect parking is going to be a royal pain in the butt though.

[Pards Rule]

That's coming later today. But if you want to know how to make Dead Leopard Punch, I have the recipe here in my Tailgate Report:

https://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2018/11/rivalry154-tailgate-report-and-how-to.html

OK, wow Dead Leopard Punch and a Leopard Burger...What a combo!

[Pards Rule]

They are working tonight clearing off Fisher Field I saw

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I'm not sure I ever remember snow being on the ground for Lehigh-Lafayette. 1989 had snow showers during the game but it never really stuck iirc. Other than that I don't recall much. Generally, the weather is usually pretty good. I remember far more sunny and 45/50 degree days than cold ones for this game. Even with the snow on the ground tomorrow is going to be pretty nice overall...

[Pard4Life]

There was a blizzard during the 1955 game.

[ngineer]

College Hill parking will certainly be more challenging for on street spots. Planning on getting up there a little after 10 a.m. Weather forecast calling for mostly sunny with a high of 44 F around 4 p.m, so kick-off time will be in upper 30's/40. Since they sit the LU alums on the ends of the homestands, I'm planning no wearing my longjohns and/or line jeans. I seem to remember a L-L game several years ago with snow around the field, but a sunny day at Fisher. My 48th Game coming up for the first time I can remember I have no sense of what is going to happen tomorrow on the field. I could be surprised with a solid LU win akin to what they did to Bucknell. I would not be shocked to see us get steamrolled like Fordham or Holy Cross did. If we win, it think it will be tight with a turnover being the difference. If we lose, I think it could be a blow out.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Here it is: my game breakdown and fearless prediction:

https://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2018/11/rivalry154-game-breakdown-and-fearless.html

As for me? I may actually Uber to the game.

[Pards Rule]

I'm not sure I ever remember snow being on the ground for Lehigh-Lafayette. 1989 had snow showers during the game but it never really stuck iirc. Other than that I don't recall much. Generally, the weather is usually pretty good. I remember far more sunny and 45/50 degree days than cold ones for this game. Even with the snow on the ground tomorrow is going to be pretty nice overall...

1989 snow squall at half and in early third qtr, didnt lay on ground but got a tremendous ovation from students. Days before 1980 game, 4 inches of snow and I assume was in plowed snowbanks (as it never really warmed a lot by game day) around field as there was plenty of ammo in stands for snowballs thrown at Easton PA Police as I recall.

[carney2]

Here it is: my game breakdown and fearless prediction:

https://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2018/11/rivalry154-game-breakdown-and-fearless.html

As for me? I may actually Uber to the game.

Finally, a truly "fearless" prediction. Homer is dead.

[Pards Rule]

Overcast and a chilly 42 now, prob max of 44 degrees today. If the wind/breezes hold off, it will be OK

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

If Lafayette doesn't win this year it might be time to rethink D3. This is the most hapless Lehigh team i've ever seen in the 30 odd years of watching.

[carney2]

I'm trying to get psyched about this game. It hasn't happened yet. Still 2 hours to go though.

[CHIP72]

I found a spot on McCartney Street a little north of Lafayette Street without a problem, despite getting to College Hill later than I wanted. 👍


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[CHIP72]

Overcast and a chilly 42 now, prob max of 44 degrees today. If the wind/breezes hold off, it will be OK

I agree. I was at the Mississippi State/Alabama game last week, and even though that game was a few degrees warmer (upper 40s F), I suspect today will feel slightly warmer than last Saturday because 1) there was wind at that game, 2) I sat very high in Bryant-Denny Stadium, 3) I was in the shade, and 4) that game started at 2:30 PM local time rather than 12:30 PM local time.


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[Lehigh Football Nation]

Holy mother of God, Lafayette has been a dumpster fire

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Holy mother of God, Lafayette has been a dumpster fire

This is hilarious!! Lafayette is a clown show right now!

17-0 Lehigh 6:42 1Q

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Tons of trash talking right now. Lehigh needs to reel it in just a little bit. I love the juice but you gotta stop once the refs start reigning it in...

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Tons of trash talking right now. Lehigh needs to reel it in just a little bit. I love the juice but you gotta stop once the refs start reigning it in...

2 sideline warnings for Lehigh is really stupid, however it hasn't mattered

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Words can't describe how bad Lafayette looks. This is unbelievable.

And this is the smallest LU-LC crowd I can recall. The % of empty seats is NASCAR'esque...

[van]

Words can't describe how bad Lafayette looks. This is unbelievable.

And this is the smallest LU-LC crowd I can recall. The % of empty seats is NASCAR'esque...

can't blame it on the weather, I have been at many games in worse weather with big crownds

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

O'Malley is really struggling. Had 2 in the flat wide open and didn't come close...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lafayette FG...Lehigh offense needs to prove they can do something. Mayes has had a number of passes batted down and has missed on others. They still can't run. This one is far from over...

17-3 Lehigh 7:35 2Q

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Mayes with a bad pick then Lehigh blocks another FG attempt then Lafayette's WR drops a sure TD as time expires...whacky

These teams are every bit as bad as their records would indicate.

17-3 Lehigh at the half

[PAllen]

Coen sounds like he has chemo brain or worse. He is definitely not OK.

[van]

Mayes with a bad pick then Lehigh blocks another FG attempt then Lafayette's WR drops a sure TD as time expires...whacky

These teams are every bit as bad as their records would indicate.

17-3 Lehigh at the half

can't figure Mayes out this year, at times he looks just terrific and then at times like a back up

[PAllen]

can't figure Mayes out this year, at times he looks just terrific and then at times like a back up

He has not matured since his soph year.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

He has not matured since his soph year.

Or when he lost Folmar...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

TD Lehigh! Brags around the edge!!

24-3 Lehigh 10;35 3Q

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

O'Malley with a mindless INT. Why does Garrett keep sending him out there? He's like the Peter Man....

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh settles for a FG. Their offense can be so painful to watch at times. Those RPO's got to go for the time being...

27-3 Lehigh 4:32 3Q

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Pearson drops the ball on 4th in 2 with no one near him. My goodness...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

TD Lehigh! On a some what of a gift..lol. Brags was clearly short but whatever...TD!! Then Lafayette proceeds to get to unsportsmanlike penalties. This is game has been trending towards the absurd. I've never seen a team put forth a worst performance in this rivalry than Lafayette's today. Just a complete meltdown...

34-3 Lehigh 11:45 4Q

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I love how Garrett is letting O'Malley sling it. xdrunkyx

[PAllen]

TD Lehigh! On a some what of a gift..lol. Brags was clearly short but whatever...TD!! Then Lafayette proceeds to get to unsportsmanlike penalties. This is game has been trending towards the absurd. I've never seen a team put forth a worst performance in this rivalry than Lafayette's today. Just a complete meltdown...

34-3 Lehigh 11:45 4Q

Lafayette and the officials are certainly doing their best to make sure Lehigh is the best looking team out there. And that's really saying a lot. Glad I didn't do anything crazy like pack the kids into the car for a 4 hour drive to see this one.

[PAllen]

Oh, an wfmz needs to just stop with this sideline reporter.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh 34 Lafayette 3 Final

Didn't see this one coming. Helps to end with a win over Lafayette. The Leopards put forth a performance that will go down in infamy for the all the wrong reasons....

Time for Lehigh to hit the offseason fully committed to turning this around. Lafayette is truly a hapless program right now. Goood Laaawd....

[RichH2]

Heading to Peapack nj for dinner. Pards are truly bad. Not that Lehigh played all that well but we did play with intensity today. A good W. Great that Dom went out with e TDs and the scoring record for Lehigh.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Heading to Peapack nj for dinner. Pards are truly bad. Not that Lehigh played all that well but we did play with intensity today. A good W. Great that Dom went out with e TDs and the scoring record for Lehigh.

And based on recent history, within the next decade Lehigh has a great chance to overtake Lafayette in the series...

Very good win! Complete domination from start to finish! But don't let Lafayette be the barometer....

[Sader87]

Hopefully Coen saved his job today xdrunkyx

[Pard4Life]

I hope you Lehigh people have enough brains to realize: you did not win this game. We handed it to you. Sure you showed up ready to go. But we handed it to you.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I hope you Lehigh people have enough brains to realize: you did not win this game. We handed it to you. Sure you showed up ready to go. But we handed it to you.

If Lafayette handed Lehigh the win it would have been 13-10. The 31 point margin took some level of buttkicking. If Lehigh was legitimately good this could have been a 65-3 type game.

[Pard4Life]

If Lafayette handed Lehigh the win it would have been 13-10. The 31 point margin took some level of buttkicking. If Lehigh was legitimately good this could have been a 65-3 type game.

I'll say it again... skulls are thicker in Bethlehem...

The referees
John Garrett
#10

....handed you the game.

[Pard4Life]

And how about that fake touchdown? The one where the replay clearly show Bragalone was DOWN before the line.

The ref signaled TD really late... I turned my head away because it was clear he was down!

We say a lot about the refs but that was honestly among the worst officiated game I've ever seen.

[RichH2]

And how about that fake touchdown? The one where the replay clearly show Bragalone was DOWN before the line.

The ref signaled TD really late... I turned my head away because it was clear he was down!

We say a lot about the refs but that was honestly among the worst officiated game I've ever seen.

Geez P4L why are you nitpicking about officials,Pards are absolutely terrible. LU not a good team but we played with intensity today. You got an asswhuppin.

[RichH2]

Tough L for Gate. They played Army tough. Best luck in the playoffs.
Hoyas played their hearts out. Had nothing left in the last quarter. They should still be proud of their year. Just imagine if GU actually supported you guys.

[CHIP72]

I couldn’t post during the game because of the even worse than normal horrible reception on Verizon Wireless on Lafayette’s campus, but my goodness, the Leopards were absolutely abysmal today. Their special teams in particular were horrendous, even including the two good kickoff returns. Their offense was offensive and almost as bad as the special teams. Only the Lafayette defense was reasonably good. Lehigh didn’t play great, especially with a mostly sputtering offense, but they didn’t need to.

Two other things I’ll note:

1) I ran into PardsRule before the game at the building with the LC bookstore. I think he wanted to growl at me for the Lehigh hat 😊(when all things are equal in terms of how important the game is when Lehigh and Lafayette, I typically root for Lehigh). More seriously, we had a brief but pleasant conversation, and it was good to see him. (He hooked me up with a ticket for L-L 150, so I’ll always be grateful to him.)

2) GoLehighTUOwl will like this - the reason why PardsRule recognized me is because he saw me wearing a Temple sweatshirt. I saw at least 2-3 other people wearing Temple stuff at the game (one guy I may have seen twice, so I’m unsure if it was 2 or 3 other people), including one guy also wearing both Lehigh and Temple stuff. So for everyone watching at home that saw anyone wearing both LU and TU stuff, it wasn’t GoLehighTUOwl, though it may have been me, LOL.


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[PAllen]

Hopefully Coen saved his job today xdrunkyx

The Lehigh feed announcers were definitely talking like it was Coen's last game.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

The Lehigh feed announcers were definitely talking like it was Coen's last game.

I agree. Very reflective at the end...

[PAllen]

I hope you Lehigh people have enough brains to realize: you did not win this game. We handed it to you. Sure you showed up ready to go. But we handed it to you.


Lafayette certainly lost more than Lehigh won. Lafayette was very bad, the zebras were bad. Lehigh played at the top of their game, and were kind of bad.

[Pard4Life]

Lafayette certainly lost more than Lehigh won. Lafayette was very bad, the zebras were bad. Lehigh played at the top of their game, and were kind of bad.

And yes that's exactly right... I lost it after that fake TD.

[Pard4Life]

Geez P4L why are you nitpicking about officials,Pards are absolutely terrible. LU not a good team but we played with intensity today. You got an asswhuppin.

Not nitpicking. Expanded commentary. See my earlier thought. That was not a buttwhuppin. 2001 was... 2013 was... 2018 was not...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Not nitpicking. Expanded commentary. See my earlier thought. That was not a buttwhuppin. 2001 was... 2013 was... 2018 was not...

You can try to spin it any way you want but you lost by 31 points. It's only the 3rd time since 1980 that Lehigh beat Lafayette by more than 30 ('80 and '01 being the other 2). In the last 20 years '98, '01 '03 (Pugh went wild in 2nd half), '11, '12, '16 and this year would classify as butt kickings. Lehigh "only" beat Lafayette 31-17 in 2000 but were clearly outclassed. Yarbrough was the only person who gave Lafayette hope.

Today's result was Lafayette being a terrible team and Lehigh being "good enough" to turn it into a 31 point win. Whenever there's a blowout there's a losing team doing their part. The refs weren't bad other than an itchy finger for unsportsmanlike. The Brag play was clearly a mistake but the ball would have been spotted literally 3 inches from the EZ. Based on what I saw Lafayette wasn't making anything happen on 4th down.

[CHIP72]

In all honesty, L-L 150 at Yankee Stadium was a butt-whipping too, even if Lafayette only won that game by 20 points.

Today was also a butt-whipping, but it was probably one dose of Lehigh doing the whipping and two doses of Lafayette going the self-flagellation route.

[Pard4Life]

You can try to spin it any way you want but you lost by 31 points. It's only the 3rd time since 1980 that Lehigh beat Lafayette by more than 30 ('80 and '01 being the other 2). In the last 20 years '98, '01 '03 (Pugh went wild in 2nd half), '11, '12, '16 and this year would classify as butt kickings. Lehigh "only" beat Lafayette 31-17 in 2000 but were clearly outclassed. Yarbrough was the only person who gave Lafayette hope.

Today's result was Lafayette being a terrible team and Lehigh being "good enough" to turn it into a 31 point win. Whenever there's a blowout there's a losing team doing their part. The refs weren't bad other than an itchy finger for unsportsmanlike. The Brag play was clearly a mistake but the ball would have been spotted literally 3 inches from the EZ. Based on what I saw Lafayette wasn't making anything happen on 4th down.

Yes Lehigh was "good enough." You showed up ready to play.

So what you are saying the ref doesn't need to call a fair and clean game if the game is out of hand? Get real. Then why have refs? That was bad... and that blown punt return penalty.

This was NOT a buttwhippin. Bragalone did not run wild. Barely had an impact and presence in the game. Lehigh D did not have a sack party. QB barely cleared 50% competition.

Lafayette ineptitude, attitude carried the day. I have been to many of those games above and this was NOT them.

[RichH2]

And based on recent history, within the next decade Lehigh has a great chance to overtake Lafayette in the series...

Very good win! Complete domination from start to finish! But don't let Lafayette be the barometer....

Agreed. Our barometer has been and continues to be Colgate atvleast in the PL. For us, we must look to UNH or Nova for a true measure.

[ngineer]

Well I was at Fisher and could not believe the horrible attendance. Announced 11, 081 must have been tickets sold. Stadium seats a bit over 13,000 and there were plenty more than 2400 empty seats. I got to move over into the Lafayette section rather than be in the end zone there was so much open space and no one cared. Lehigh student section on the north side was pitiful. Probably only 2/3 full meaning most Fr, So and Jr did not bother to bus over. Sad.

As for the game, it was atrocious. While I certainly revel in any win over Laughyette, I am not fooled by the result. Leotards were just much worse than us. Yes the refs blew the TD call, but it made no difference in this cluster. I was bothered by the lack of discipline by both teams with so many unsportsmanship penalties. Maybe the fact that nothing was on the line other than bragging rights had something to do with it.

As for the play--I can't remember when I've seen so many dropped passes by Laf. And the rest of the time passing, O'Malley was usually off the mark. I don't see what Garrett sees in him. Mayes was his usual erratic self. at times looks good and then off. His mechanics have never improved in three years. IMO, Donovan Harris would have gotten the MVP from me. Great defensive performance in the secondary. Brags had a solid game punching our yards, but he was basically kept in check. I really hate the run scheme we have run. Everything seems so slow developing. I understand the 3 TDs and breaking the career scoring record, but that does not equate to this game's award. Mish was also on his game. Some beautiful punts inside the 5 and 10 yard lines.

This will certainly help me through the winter, but it does not make me feel overly optimistic about the spring. But, in other news, the Lehigh Men's and Women's swimming teams swept Laughyette Friday night by 202-80 and 221-61 (or something close to that). For the men, it was their 27th straight win over the Leotards !! That's a streak going back to 1991.

It will be interesting over the next few weeks to see what transpires on South Mountain. Everyone at the tailgate was talking about how things were being said but not said in various interviews or statements made by Coach Coen. Tying Leckonby's win record was very nice.

[RichH2]

Well I was at Fisher and could not believe the horrible attendance. Announced 11, 081 must have been tickets sold. Stadium seats a bit over 13,000 and there were plenty more than 2400 empty seats. I got to move over into the Lafayette section rather than be in the end zone there was so much open space and no one cared. Lehigh student section on the north side was pitiful. Probably only 2/3 full meaning most Fr, So and Jr did not bother to bus over. Sad.

As for the game, it was atrocious. While I certainly revel in any win over Laughyette, I am not fooled by the result. Leotards were just much worse than us. Yes the refs blew the TD call, but it made no difference in this cluster. I was bothered by the lack of discipline by both teams with so many unsportsmanship penalties. Maybe the fact that nothing was on the line other than bragging rights had something to do with it.

As for the play--I can't remember when I've seen so many dropped passes by Laf. And the rest of the time passing, O'Malley was usually off the mark. I don't see what Garrett sees in him. Mayes was his usual erratic self. at times looks good and then off. His mechanics have never improved in three years. IMO, Donovan Harris would have gotten the MVP from me. Great defensive performance in the secondary. Brags had a solid game punching our yards, but he was basically kept in check. I really hate the run scheme we have run. Everything seems so slow developing. I understand the 3 TDs and breaking the career scoring record, but that does not equate to this game's award. Mish was also on his game. Some beautiful punts inside the 5 and 10 yard lines.

This will certainly help me through the winter, but it does not make me feel overly optimistic about the spring. But, in other news, the Lehigh Men's and Women's swimming teams swept Laughyette Friday night by 202-80 and 221-61 (or something close to that). For the men, it was their 27th straight win over the Leotards !! That's a streak going back to 1991.

It will be interesting over the next few weeks to see what transpires on South Mountain. Everyone at the tailgate was talking about how things were being said but not said in various interviews or statements made by Coach Coen. Tying Leckonby's win record was very nice.

I also heard a lot of those comments. A lot of speculation. More telling to me was the sense of a testimonial for Andy. I am glad he got the W for his record. Regardless of this year he deserved it. His post game was disturbing. He just does not appear healthy. Imagine the next few weeks will set our course for the future.

[Pard4Life]

Agreed. Our barometer has been and continues to be Colgate atvleast in the PL. For us, we must look to UNH or Nova for a true measure.

This is an arrogant statement. 3-8, losing to three teams by 50+ points, going 10-1 and missing the playoffs, winning the PL and getting blown out in the playoffs... and still delusional. Lehigh has earned a reputation around here for a reason.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

This is an arrogant statement. 3-8, losing to three teams by 50+ points, going 10-1 and missing the playoffs, winning the PL and getting blown out in the playoffs... and still delusional. Lehigh has earned a reputation around here for a reason.

Aww the miserable, bitter Pard4life is coming back out. It's been a while but always knew it was in you :D

Lehigh is 6-3 against Colgate this decade including winning the last two prior to this year. Colgate will be coming back to pack next year after suffering massive graduation losses. Don't be "that guy"....

Lehigh should settle for nothing less than being the best program in the PL. Time to regain that perch.

[Doc QB]

This is an arrogant statement. 3-8, losing to three teams by 50+ points, going 10-1 and missing the playoffs, winning the PL and getting blown out in the playoffs... and still delusional. Lehigh has earned a reputation around here for a reason.

C’mon, Pard. I know losing to us sucks, and u guys haven’t made many any strides w Garrett. I’ve been to your board and read the comments you all share about him. But there isn’t anything arrogant about noting that Colgate is the standard bearer in our league at the moment, or noting when LU is good enough to beat them, then measuring any potential national ability (or, as case has been, our TOTAL lack of national ability) is by comparing games w UNH or ‘Nova...makes sense to me. Four straight and nine of last eleven against u guys, measures something else.

[RichH2]

This is an arrogant statement. 3-8, losing to three teams by 50+ points, going 10-1 and missing the playoffs, winning the PL and getting blown out in the playoffs... and still delusional. Lehigh has earned a reputation around here for a reason.

You are confusing who I think LU should measure our program against with my view of the current status of football at Lehigh. Right now our program is near the bottom of a very weak PL. We have to get better.As the prior 2 years showed, being the best in the PL is not a monumental achievement. Nice but I would like to once again be competive with top Ivy and the CAA.

[Pards Rule]

Can anyone tell me what the yardage was for the unsportsmanlike penalties for both teams (including offsets). We alone must have got like 100 yards. It was bizarre. I think the JG experiment has gone horribly wrong. I have been to 39 of these Lehigh games and witnessed blowouts, but games were we were supposed to be. This was not at all. Yet it happened. Time to cut JG and depart. I talked to a number of O & D players and parents after the game on the field and at tailgates and it was unanimous that he has lost the faith of the team. I floated Luke Thompson as a successor and widely embraced. I was pissed off after this game unlike I have ever been! That was a disgrace and an embarrassment. Why you would have flipped Northrup or Troy Fisher in there when OMalley is sucking, especially with game over in mid 3rd, is ridiculous. Walking back to my car after post game tailgates, I bumped into a power that be that I have known for three decades. I let this person know the tenor of the team and fans. And about Luke. Hopefully, something happens quick!! BTW Hey great meeting you Chip. Best seats in the house were in the Kirby Sports Pavilion looking out the glass on the second and third floor at game. Kudos to Lehigh for the stomping and hopefully saving us from more than a few years overtime with the John Garrett Experience.

[CHIP72]

RE: the 15 yard penalties, especially the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties - I commented to the fans sitting around me (many of whom I had good conversations with, and all of whom besides me left before the game ended, some at halftime after arriving late) that I've never seen a game with so many unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in my life. You know it's bad when there's a call on a player not even in the game (sideline interference on Lehigh on I think one of their blocked FG returns).

I was amused when two 15 yard penalties against Lafayette caused Lehigh to kick off from the Leopards' 35 yard line, and the Lehigh kicker (Ed Mish) tried to hit Kirby Sports Center on the fly on the ensuing kickoff. (I think that kickoff occurred after the touchdown where it appeared Lehigh was stopped short of a touchdown but the officials gave the Mountain Hawks the touchdown anyway, even after the review.)

[LehighU11]

It's clear that the officiating crew has never done a rivalry game before with all of those unsportsmanlike conduct flags. Ridiculous.

The Bragalone TD was bad, but the spot on the kickoff return by 44 for Lafayette following Lehigh's first TD was absolutely horrendous. 44 was brought down at the LU 47 or 46, gets up and walks back across the 50 towards Bourger to hand the ball to a ref. A scrum of players further down the field breaks up and the crew spots the return at the LU 41! LC got 5-6 phantom yards on that return. LC went 3 and out, but that could have had an impact on the game had LC shown up to play.

[RichH2]

It's clear that the officiating crew has never done a rivalry game before with all of those unsportsmanlike conduct flags. Ridiculous.

The Bragalone TD was bad, but the spot on the kickoff return by 44 for Lafayette following Lehigh's first TD was absolutely horrendous. 44 was brought down at the LU 47 or 46, gets up and walks back across the 50 towards Bourger to hand the ball to a ref. A scrum of players further down the field breaks up and the crew spots the return at the LU 41! LC got 5-6 phantom yards on that return. LC went 3 and out, but that could have had an impact on the game had LC shown up to play.

I saw that. Thanks 11. I thought it was just me Thought it might have been a penalty vs LU but the yardage made no sense.

[Pards Rule]

RE: the 15 yard penalties, especially the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties - I commented to the fans sitting around me (many of whom I had good conversations with, and all of whom besides me left before the game ended, some at halftime after arriving late) that I've never seen a game with so many unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in my life. You know it's bad when there's a call on a player not even in the game (sideline interference on Lehigh on I think one of their blocked FG returns).

I was amused when two 15 yard penalties against Lafayette caused Lehigh to kick off from the Leopards' 35 yard line, and the Lehigh kicker (Ed Mish) tried to hit Kirby Sports Center on the fly on the ensuing kickoff. (I think that kickoff occurred after the touchdown where it appeared Lehigh was stopped short of a touchdown but the officials gave the Mountain Hawks the touchdown anyway, even after the review.)

The Lehigh OC fessed up to that in todays paper. He got in way of official running down the sideline and bumped into the OC..

[Pards Rule]

RE: the 15 yard penalties, especially the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties - I commented to the fans sitting around me (many of whom I had good conversations with, and all of whom besides me left before the game ended, some at halftime after arriving late) that I've never seen a game with so many unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in my life. You know it's bad when there's a call on a player not even in the game (sideline interference on Lehigh on I think one of their blocked FG returns).

I was amused when two 15 yard penalties against Lafayette caused Lehigh to kick off from the Leopards' 35 yard line, and the Lehigh kicker (Ed Mish) tried to hit Kirby Sports Center on the fly on the ensuing kickoff. (I think that kickoff occurred after the touchdown where it appeared Lehigh was stopped short of a touchdown but the officials gave the Mountain Hawks the touchdown anyway, even after the review.)

I thought he kicked the other way. I think it was after Brag's phantom TD and he nailed the "field goal" on the kickoff. Where did he kick from? Picture?

[CHIP72]

I thought he kicked the other way. I think it was after Brag's phantom TD and he nailed the "field goal" on the kickoff. Where did he kick from? Picture?

Thinking through the scoring in the game, that Lehigh kickoff from the Lafayette 35 yard line definitely occurred after the questionable touchdown run by Bragalone in the 4th quarter. Lehigh only scored two touchdowns in the 2nd half, which were the first and last points of the half (it was 27-3 before that touchdown), and the questionable touchdown occurred when the game was already decided. (I realize some people probably thought the game was decided after the Leopards' horrendous 1st quarter, but they still had a chance at that point if Lehigh melted down and if the Leopards' WR catches that pass in the end zone in the last 10 seconds of the 1st half. Lafayette definitely wasn't coming back from 27-3 in the 4th quarter though.) Lehigh's questionable touchdown was scored in the east end zone, and their subsequent kickoff also went towards the east end zone, which made sense because Lafayette had to drive towards the west end zone in the 4th quarter.

[PAllen]

I thought he kicked the other way. I think it was after Brag's phantom TD and he nailed the "field goal" on the kickoff. Where did he kick from? Picture?

The 35 "going in". He came nowhere close to the field house btw.

[Pards Rule]

The 35 "going in". He came nowhere close to the field house btw.

Thanks, yeah the phantom TD caused a lot of rancor...Im sure it will be an urban legend: he hit the Field House with the PAT

[CHIP72]

Thanks, yeah the phantom TD caused a lot of rancor...Im sure it will be an urban legend: he hit the Field House with the PAT

No, no - the urban legend will be he hit Kirby Sports Center with the kickoff.

[Pards Rule]

No, no - the urban legend will be he hit Kirby Sports Center with the kickoff.

Youre right...Nice to meet you Chip yesterday!

[CHIP72]

Youre right...Nice to meet you Chip yesterday!

Same here! xthumbsupx

[RichH2]

No, no - the urban legend will be he hit Kirby Sports Center with the kickoff.

In years to come 1000s will claim that they were there.xnodx xthumbsupx

[Pards Rule]

Penalty stats....Lafayette 8 for 94 and Lehigh 6 for 80...Does NOT include offsetting unsportsmanlike ones...Would love to know total for each in USL penalties INCL offsetting for each. Lafayette 18 first downs to Lehighs 17..Passing nearly even 165 (LU) to 162, and Lehigh 132 rushing to LC 72...Stats show fumbles-lost 2-2 for LC. That underscored the 14 points on EXACTLY half a yard of total offense for Lehigh on the fumble, first O play of game and the snap over LC punters head. Should have fallen on it in end zone or kicked it out of zone for just 2 points instead of spotting it at half yard line for Lehigh.

[LeHawk]

I hope you Lehigh people have enough brains to realize: you did not win this game. We handed it to you. Sure you showed up ready to go. But we handed it to you.
P4L

Wow. What a classy, magnanimous fellow!

So Lehigh didn’t win as much as Lafayette “handed” the game to us? One thing you are correct on is the fact that your team sure looked as though they did not want to win. The breaks went against your team, and as such, your team lost. Lost your desire, your poise and your self-respect.

Try to remember just twelve months earlier at Goodman Stadium (Game 153) when all breaks favored Lafayette. Recall how Lehigh turned the ball over three times presenting your offense with short fields? How you had a kick return that resulted in a TD and a ten-point lead with six minutes remaining in the third quarter? That adversity resulted in Lehigh scoring the last 17 points (while shutting the Leopards down) and winning the game.

This year, the breaks admittedly went our way. The Lafayette response to adversity? Fold like a wet cardboard box.

So before you disrespect the opponent, try to get your own house in order. The one where you need to make a 20 month study/announcement saying that you’ll start trying to win now. The one where you’ve yet to recover from the overtime loss in 2009, resulting in nine straight losing seasons. The internal issues that result in loss of poise and failure to compete in the one game each year that really counts. How about inability to fill the home side stands in the $33 million stadium?

[ngineer]

The Lehigh DC fessed up to that in todays paper. He got in way of official running down the sideline and bumped into the DC..

FIFY--Donnie Roberts the Defensive Coordinator was quoted in the Morning Call as saying he got so excited he ran down the field and into the official. Luckily for the official, Donnie's lost about 100 pounds this year!

[ngineer]

Certainly a satisfying win. Anytime you can stomp your rival in their house it warms the coming winter. However, while I was pleased that we came ready to play with some juice, we have to recognize that the Leopards are in deeper crap than we are. They certainly provide many opportunities and, for once, we took advantage of them. Short fields, dropped passes, erratic passes, special teams flubs, countless penalties "on both sides" (D.Trump), added up to this lopsided score. Wish we had that intensity all year. Might have won a few more games.

One curiosity..when Mish did the kickoff from the 'pards 35, why not pooch or dribble it? What did we have to lose?

[RichH2]

Creativity has not been our go to on offense or on special teams this year.

[CHIP72]

One curiosity..when Mish did the kickoff from the 'pards 35, why not pooch or dribble it? What did we have to lose?

The score was 34-3 in the 4th quarter. I think Lehigh figured there was no point in trying a kick they would try to recover because they had the game won. (That's also why I said Mish was trying to hit Kirby Sports Center with his kick; he made a line drive kick.)

[ngineer]

The score was 34-3 in the 4th quarter. I think Lehigh figured there was no point in trying a kick they would try to recover because they had the game won. (That's also why I said Mish was trying to hit Kirby Sports Center with his kick; he made a line drive kick.)

If it were Bucknell or G'town, I get it. But not the Spotted Pussies. No quarter.xsmiley_wix