Patriot League Pick'Em - Week 11

[DFW HOYA]

Colgate has clinched the PL bid the the playoffs and clinches the title outright with a win over Lehigh or a Georgetown loss to Bucknell.

Nov 10 games:

Fordham (1-8, 1-3) at Holy Cross (3-6, 2-2), 12 noon
Lafayette (3-6, 2-3) at Army (7-2), 12 noon
Colgate (8-0, 5-0) at Lehigh (2-7, 1-3), 12:30
Bucknell (1-8, 1-3) at Georgetown (4-5, 3-1), 12:30

[Ivytalk]

Holy Cross
Army
Colgate (but will it be another shutout?)
Georgetown

[PeacockRaider]

Holy Cross 35-7, Wade has a big day throwing for 4 td's.
Army 63-3, It could get ugly at Michie Stadium. Hopefully the Cadets get over confident after throttling a Patriot League foe.
Georgetown 28-14. The Hoya's with their best season since the MAAC days.
Lehigh 3-0. 'Gate reaches the end zone 6 times but each apparent score is called back for penalty. The potential go ahead score negated due to Holland handing the ball to rough to the official. Lehigh game winning FG sails wide left but is incorrectly signaled good for the 3-0 upset.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lehigh 3-0. 'Gate reaches the end zone 6 times but each apparent score is called back for penalty. The potential go ahead score negated due to Holland handing the ball to rough to the official. Lehigh game winning FG sails wide left but is incorrectly signaled good for the 3-0 upset.

You forgot "Colgate fumbles the ball away on the potential game-winning drive." Don't forget that part about your prediction

[ColgateTD]

Holy Cross - 21-13 - home court advantage.
Army - 47-12 - Pards not going to make it an upset this week.
Georgetown - 17-6 - Picking a team with a little offense over a team that shows little O.
Colgate - 28-17 - always tough going down to Allentown; LU keeps it interesting but the 4th quarter is a bridge too far for the Ngineers.

[PAllen]

Holy Cross
Army
Colgate (but will it be another shutout?)
Georgetown

This.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Holy Cross - 21-13 - home court advantage.
Army - 47-12 - Pards not going to make it an upset this week.
Georgetown - 17-6 - Picking a team with a little offense over a team that shows little O.
Colgate - 28-17 - always tough going down to Allentown; LU keeps it interesting but the 4th quarter is a bridge too far for the Ngineers.

If Colgate heads to Allentown I really like Lehigh's chances! Muhlenburg is a Top 25 D3 team this year but I think the Raiders can handle them :D

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If Colgate heads to Allentown I really like Lehigh's chances! Muhlenburg is a Top 25 D3 team this year but I think the Raiders can handle them :D

Hacking Colgate's navigation system to have them go to a different venue, like, say, Furman, is an extremely strong Lehigh strategy

[TheValleyRaider]

1-2. Worst week of the season. For picking, I mean. The rest of it went just fine. 33-13 with two weeks to go.

Fordham at Holy Cross Holy Cross The Crusaders have shown some improvement over the season, and have looked good in two blowout wins. The Rams have had a few close calls, but seem to follow that up with backsliding. Some of that may be the schedule, but it's probably also a sign of a team still figuring it out who it is. By this point of the campaign, the Cross seems to know.

Lafayette at Army Army Army opens its Patriot League slate, coming off a big win over rival Air Force. The Leopards had been looking better, but that loss to the Crusaders will sting. It won't be what makes the difference here, but hopefully the Lafayette faithful that make the trip enjoy the last bit of fall foliage on the Hudson.

Colgate at Lehigh Colgate Where was that Lehigh team all season? Bucknell isn't very good, but this does reinforce a concern of mine that bad Lehigh is still wounded-animal-dangerous. This Colgate team, meanwhile, has been focused all season on dealing with the game in front of them, and I expect this week to be no difference, not with a chance at a perfect League slate and FCS schedule on the table. I'm not gutsy enough to pick another shutout, but there's enough pride on the defense to put in a pretty good effort to that effect. Question for Hawk fans: if Lehigh is competitive here, and follows up with a win over Lafayette, does that save Coen's job?

Bucknell at Georgetown Georgetown Dreams of a .500 season are in Hoya heads, and with good reason. They've had a bye to get set for this one, and the Bison have looked relatively toothless as of late. Does the Georgetown team that has slayed the Lehigh dragon fall short here? Doubtful.

[PAllen]

if Lehigh is competitive here, and follows up with a win over Lafayette, does that save Coen's job?


Probably, but I really hope not. I'll take the win over Lafayette if we can get it regardless, but I really hope that this "turn around" doesn't save this staff for yet another year of "improvement".

[carney2]

Fordham (1-8, 1-3) at Holy Cross (3-6, 2-2), 12 noon - The Rams look every bit like a one win team. The Cross looks better than a three.

Lafayette (3-6, 2-3) at Army (7-2), 12 noon - No vote should ever be unanimous, no matter how ridiculous.

Colgate (8-0, 5-0) at Lehigh (2-7, 1-3), 12:30 - Even if the Stained Undies had a late October wake up call, it won't be nearly enough.

Bucknell (1-8, 1-3) at Georgetown (4-5, 3-1), 12:30 - It's time to admit that Joe Susan hasn't accomplished much in Buffalo.

[van]

1-2. Worst week of the season. For picking, I mean. The rest of it went just fine. 33-13 with two weeks to go.

Fordham at Holy Cross Holy Cross The Crusaders have shown some improvement over the season, and have looked good in two blowout wins. The Rams have had a few close calls, but seem to follow that up with backsliding. Some of that may be the schedule, but it's probably also a sign of a team still figuring it out who it is. By this point of the campaign, the Cross seems to know.

Lafayette at Army Army Army opens its Patriot League slate, coming off a big win over rival Air Force. The Leopards had been looking better, but that loss to the Crusaders will sting. It won't be what makes the difference here, but hopefully the Lafayette faithful that make the trip enjoy the last bit of fall foliage on the Hudson.

Colgate at Lehigh Colgate Where was that Lehigh team all season? Bucknell isn't very good, but this does reinforce a concern of mine that bad Lehigh is still wounded-animal-dangerous. This Colgate team, meanwhile, has been focused all season on dealing with the game in front of them, and I expect this week to be no difference, not with a chance at a perfect League slate and FCS schedule on the table. I'm not gutsy enough to pick another shutout, but there's enough pride on the defense to put in a pretty good effort to that effect. Question for Hawk fans: if Lehigh is competitive here, and follows up with a win over Lafayette, does that save Coen's job?

Bucknell at Georgetown Georgetown Dreams of a .500 season are in Hoya heads, and with good reason. They've had a bye to get set for this one, and the Bison have looked relatively toothless as of late. Does the Georgetown team that has slayed the Lehigh dragon fall short here? Doubtful.

my picks also

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

I am hoping my Cadets put 70 points on the board. No mercy. Keep the pedal down. Keep the focus. I want some points and to see the cheerleaders/cadets go hundreds of push-ups.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I am hoping my Cadets put 70 points on the board. No mercy. Keep the pedal down. Keep the focus. I want some points and to see the cheerleaders/cadets go hundreds of push-ups.

Army should put a pretty good physical, and perhaps mental, whooping on Lafayette. I wouldn't be surprised if the Leopards end up losing a few more players than usual to injury due to being completely outmatched. I know Lehigh has to deal with Colgate before next week's game with Lafayette but that's a helluva lot better than dealing with an stout Army team in West Point.

[kdinva]

Fordham 13 at Holy Cross 28
Lafayette 6 at Army 63
Colgate 42 at Lehigh 7
Bucknell 20 at Georgetown 27

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Why aren't the Lafayette/Army games bigger deals for the Lafayette football fans? I know that Lafayette beating Army or Lehigh beating Navy are (let's just say) unlikely, but a day in Annapolis or a day at Michie is something every college football fan ought to do once in their lives. It's one of those things that transcends a bad record, at least to me.

[DFW HOYA]

Why aren't the Lafayette/Army games bigger deals for the Lafayette football fans? I know that Lafayette beating Army or Lehigh beating Navy are (let's just say) unlikely, but a day in Annapolis or a day at Michie is something every college football fan ought to do once in their lives. It's one of those things that transcends a bad record, at least to me.

Agreed. A trip up the Hudson to West Point sure beats a trip up the Hudson to, say, Poughkeepsie.

[Franks Tanks]

Why aren't the Lafayette/Army games bigger deals for the Lafayette football fans? I know that Lafayette beating Army or Lehigh beating Navy are (let's just say) unlikely, but a day in Annapolis or a day at Michie is something every college football fan ought to do once in their lives. It's one of those things that transcends a bad record, at least to me.

We are all exhausted by 9 straight losing seasons, and a team that doesn’t seem to be improving much at the end of year 2 of Garrett. Throwing the ball 40-50 times a game for 180 yards. Reports of turmoil and discontent among coaches and players ... again. In short we have driven away casual fans and many of the more hardcore as well. We’ve been disappointed and told things will be better next too many times. We are angry or we just don’t care any longer. It’s a shame but here we are, and you will see it next weekend in Easton.

[Sader87]

Holy Cross played Army nearly annually in the 70s and 80s...wonderful memories of going to West Point as a kid and college student. Agree, trip there for a game should be on every fan's bucket list

[Gate83]

Why aren't the Lafayette/Army games bigger deals for the Lafayette football fans? I know that Lafayette beating Army or Lehigh beating Navy are (let's just say) unlikely, but a day in Annapolis or a day at Michie is something every college football fan ought to do once in their lives. It's one of those things that transcends a bad record, at least to me.

I've been to games at four of the five service academies (Merchant Marine for rugby) & have always had a great time. Saw a couple of Gate wins at Army back in the '80's, and it really made no difference to the experience overall, which is inspiring. I'll be at West Point next week, and expect a good Gate crowd on hand... and expect Army to being doing a number of pushups regardless of our current defensive statistics.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

Holy Cross played Army nearly annually in the 70s and 80s...wonderful memories of going to West Point as a kid and college student. Agree, trip there for a game should be on every fan's bucket list

I want Holy Cross back on the schedule. Forget about playing Lafayette. Bleh. Give me some Crusaders.Badass name.

[Go...gate]

I've been to games at four of the five service academies (Merchant Marine for rugby) & have always had a great time. Saw a couple of Gate wins at Army back in the '80's, and it really made no difference to the experience overall, which is inspiring. I'll be at West Point next week, and expect a good Gate crowd on hand... and expect Army to being doing a number of pushups regardless of our current defensive statistics.

Yep.

[bonarae]

Holy Cross
Army
Colgate
Georgetown

[DFW HOYA]

I want Holy Cross back on the schedule. Forget about playing Lafayette. Bleh.

To its credit, the Cadets will have played four of the seven PL schools this decade.

And yes, Georgetown has to get in the rotation at some point. The PL is not well served by Columbia and Marist as the pillars of any non-conference schedule.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

To its credit, the Cadets will have played four of the seven PL schools this decade.

And yes, Georgetown has to get in the rotation at some point. The PL is not well served by Columbia and Marist as the pillars of any non-conference schedule.

No, thanks. We have no decent history with Georgetown. Too many Patriot League teams on the schedule.

[Franks Tanks]

No, thanks. We have no decent history with Georgetown. Too many Patriot League teams on the schedule.

Army has been pretty darn good the last 2 or 3 years, but let’s not get too cocky.

I remember 2002 when Army lost to 4-7 Holy Cross. Lafayette beat that same Cross team 42-0. Yale, Fordham and getting destroyed by the likes of UNH and Stoney Brook.

[kdinva]

but a day in Annapolis or a day at Michie is something every college football fan ought to do once in their lives. It's one of those things that transcends a bad record, at least to me.

+1 xthumbsupx

[DFW HOYA]

No, thanks. We have no decent history with Georgetown. Too many Patriot League teams on the schedule.

Georgetown has no decent history with anyone.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

Army has been pretty darn good the last 2 or 3 years, but let’s not get too cocky.

I remember 2002 when Army lost to 4-7 Holy Cross. Lafayette beat that same Cross team 42-0. Yale, Fordham and getting destroyed by the likes of UNH and Stoney Brook.

My stance has nothing to do with our competitive abilities. Few Patriot League interest myself or the fan base. 2 FCS games are one too many. I prefer a rotation of Fordham, Citadel and VMI myself.

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Georgetown has no decent history with anyone.

SFU/Georgetown should start a series. We both need games.

[DFW HOYA]

SFU/Georgetown should start a series. We both need games.

Nothing against the fine folks of Loretto, but that's not what the program needs. Georgetown suffers from a lack of visible opponents that lead many alumni to distance, or at the very least, ignore the team because its schedules lead to one continuous yawn among the ticket buying public. Even a game with Harvard at RFK Stadium was rejected by the city at large.This leads opponents to look across the field (or look at the gate receipts) and ask why it's worth playing them in the first place. Lest we forget, St. Francis has not returned the game back to Washington it played in 2015.

As for Army, I would like to see more games in the rotation with other military colleges incl. Texas A&M and Virginia Tech. The Citadel and VMI should be a given.

[PAllen]

Nothing against the fine folks of Loretto, but that's not what the program needs. Georgetown suffers from a lack of visible opponents that lead many alumni to distance, or at the very least, ignore the team because its schedules lead to one continuous yawn among the ticket buying public. Even a game with Harvard at RFK Stadium was rejected by the city at large.This leads opponents to look across the field (or look at the gate receipts) and ask why it's worth playing them in the first place. Lest we forget, St. Francis has not returned the game back to Washington it played in 2015.

As for Army, I would like to see more games in the rotation with other military colleges incl. Texas A&M and Virginia Tech. The Citadel and VMI should be a given.

What you continue to fail to comprehend is that GU brings nothing to the table for all of the above except VMI or maybe The Citadel as a guarantee game.

[carney2]

Changing the subject - but only for this brief moment if I know you people - there is a strong, and growing, mood of discontent with John Garrett at Lafayette:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lafayettesports/holy-cross-post-mortem-t4307.html

This is Lafayette, so there is zero chance that Garrett is on any kind of a hot seat. Still, it makes one think about the time he was hired and a thought that was lurking in the background:

How does a guy with his resume and his contacts get to his fifties before being offered his first head coaching job? Mayhaps a lot of "in the know" people actually knew what they were doing - or, in this case, not doing.

[DFW HOYA]

Changing the subject - but only for this brief moment if I know you people - there is a strong, and growing, mood of discontent with John Garrett at Lafayette:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lafayettesports/holy-cross-post-mortem-t4307.html

This is Lafayette, so there is zero chance that Garrett is on any kind of a hot seat. Still, it makes one think about the time he was hired and a thought that was lurking in the background:

How does a guy with his resume and his contacts get to his fifties before being offered his first head coaching job? Mayhaps a lot of "in the know" people actually knew what they were doing - or, in this case, not doing.

Not a good week for the Garretts. But as long as "management" isn't looking to make change, no changes will follow.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/11/6/18068396/dallas-cowboys-jason-garrett-fire-him-dak-prescott-ezekiel-elliott

[Sader87]

Garrett is only in his second year at Lafayette. If they beat Lehigh, they'll finish at 4-7....up from 3-8 last year and 2-9 in Tavani's last season.

I think a lot of the vitriol stems from how bad HC beat the Pards last week...HC looks to be hitting its stride this season, wasn't an optimal time to play the Saders last week.

[Leopard Loyalist]

Back to predictions. (We are likely only in the early stages of the Coach Garrett soap opera at LC, after all. We prefer long-running melodramas.)
This weeks should prove to be easier than last week:
Fordham (1-8, 1-3) at Holy Cross (3-6, 2-2), 12 noon
Lafayette (3-6, 2-3) at Army (7-2), 12 noon
Colgate (8-0, 5-0) at Lehigh (2-7, 1-3), 12:30
Bucknell (1-8, 1-3) at Georgetown (4-5, 3-1), 12:30

[ngineer]

Holy Cross - 21-13 - home court advantage.
Army - 47-12 - Pards not going to make it an upset this week.
Georgetown - 17-6 - Picking a team with a little offense over a team that shows little O.
Colgate - 28-17 - always tough going down to Bethlehem; LU keeps it interesting but the 4th quarter is a bridge too far for the Ngineers.

Fixed it for ya.

[ngineer]

Crusaders appear to have found their horses and should run by the Rams. 38-17.

Leotards will be lucky to return with their spots. Black Knights 45-7

Bucky gets stymied by the Potomac. Hoyas smell a winning season. Hoyas 24-16.

Raiders looking for revenge and should be loaded for bear to make a statement at Goodman. Only real question will be whether Lehigh can give them a fight and score some TD's. If Lehigh can get some early stops and build up its confidence, a good game could develop. A couple quick scores by 'gate without a response will lead to a rout. I will split the difference and call the game 35-24 for the Raiders.

[RichH2]

Crusaders appear to have found their horses and should run by the Rams. 38-17.

Leotards will be lucky to return with their spots. Black Knights 45-7

Bucky gets stymied by the Potomac. Hoyas smell a winning season. Hoyas 24-16.

Raiders looking for revenge and should be loaded for bear to make a statement at Goodman. Only real question will be whether Lehigh can give them a fight and score some TD's. If Lehigh can get some early stops and build up its confidence, a good game could develop. A couple quick scores by 'gate without a response will lead to a rout. I will split the difference and call the game 35-24 for the Raiders.

Me too. Much more eloquently than I am apt to write it.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lots of heat in that Lafayette thread about Garrett but Lafayette is still a relatively young team that is learning. I'd tend to agree that if it happens, a 4-7 year would be a success for the Pards and a stepping stone back toward championships.

I kind of find it funny that Lafayette has won 3 of their last 5 yet the sky is falling to their fan base. It reminds me of fans of some other team. Can't possibly figure out whose.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Colgate’s Big Red Blanket Heads To Lehigh To Continue Their Business Of Winning



https://www.college-sports-journal.com/colgates-big-red-blanket-heads-to-lehigh-to-continue-their-business-of-winning/

[carney2]

This week's odds:

Holy Cross 20 over Fordham
Georgetown 9 over Bucknell
Colgate 32 1/2 over Lehigh
Lafayette @ Army - no line

[carney2]

I kind of find it funny that Lafayette has won 3 of their last 5 yet the sky is falling to their fan base. It reminds me of fans of some other team. Can't possibly figure out whose.

With that "other team" it is almost solely about wins and losses. At Lafayette it's becoming a serious discussion of Coach Garrett because losing has become a way of life in Easton:

Game day decisions, of course: incredibly bull-headed and stupid handling of the QB situation, bad play calling, etc., etc.
The "does not work and play well with others" rumors have resurfaced. Many are expecting a second consecutive year of huge turnover in the coaching staff.
Invisible recruiting for the current year.

[ngineer]

With that "other team" it is almost solely about wins and losses. At Lafayette it's becoming a serious discussion of Coach Garrett because losing has become a way of life in Easton:

Game day decisions, of course: incredibly bull-headed and stupid handling of the QB situation, bad play calling, etc., etc.
The "does not work and play well with others" rumors have resurfaced. Many are expecting a second consecutive year of huge turnover in the coaching staff.
Invisible recruiting for the current year.

Not surprised. When you see how often Garrett has moved around, it usually tells you something and it is usually not good.

[ngineer]

Colgate’s Big Red Blanket Heads To Lehigh To Continue Their Business Of Winning



https://www.college-sports-journal.com/colgates-big-red-blanket-heads-to-lehigh-to-continue-their-business-of-winning/

Nice article. Captures the scene pretty well. Also sets the stage for some real irony if we can somehow pull of the 'upset of the century', bookending the Raider's streak.

[RichH2]

Nice article. Captures the scene pretty well. Also sets the stage for some real irony if we can somehow pull of the 'upset of the century', bookending the Raider's streak.

That would be epic.Irony would indeed rule the day.
I'll be quite pleased with a competitive game. Less monumental but satisfying.

[Bill]

I enter this week at a stunning 39-8. Here's another go at this:

Fordham (1-8, 1-3) at Holy Cross (3-6, 2-2)
Lafayette (3-6, 2-3) at Army (7-2)
Colgate (8-0, 5-0) at Lehigh (2-7, 1-3)
Bucknell (1-8, 1-3) at Georgetown (4-5, 3-1)

[Go...gate]

Holy Cross 23, Fordham 13

Army 52, Lafayette 7

Colgate 24, Lehigh 19

Georgetown 12, Bucknell 7

Bonus Pick:

Princeton 28, Yale 24

[Lehigh Football Nation]

This week's odds:

Holy Cross 20 over Fordham
Georgetown 9 over Bucknell
Colgate 32 1/2 over Lehigh
Lafayette @ Army - no line

Cross
Georgetown
Army
....... Lehigh covers the spread but loses

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Army 70 Lafayette 17
Holy Cross 38 Fordham 17
Georgetown 21 Bucknell 13
Colgate 38 Lehigh 13

[TheValleyRaider]

Underway in Bethlehem

Colgate 0
Lehigh 0

[TheValleyRaider]

Attwood in at QB for Colgate, no Breneman so far.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Mayes has had guys open but haven't been able to connect.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

TD 'Gate. Lehigh will not have an answer for their ground game. LU DL continues to be outmatched....

[TheValleyRaider]

Holland in for the TOUCHDOWN! Attwood throws 2 passes, otherwise it is almost all Holland (he even caught one of those passes) as the Raiders run it down the field.

7-0 Colgate
1st

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Take your chances with 4th and 3!!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Why would you do that!?!? You lost filed position and limited your chance to get the 1st down. Getting 16 yards against Colgate is hard enough.

[TheValleyRaider]

Raiders driving, almost exclusively on the ground

Colgate 7
Lehigh 0
End 1st

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

This is going to be a bloodbath. Lehigh's run defense is atrocious and 'Gate can run well.

[TheValleyRaider]

Holland again, from 10 yards out, another TOUCHDOWN!!

Snap fumbled on the extra point, so no good

13-0 Colgate
12:35 2nd

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I'm pretty sure Lehigh has run every 1st down except the 1st and 20. Colgate's D is good but you can clearly pass on them if the WR's win the 1 on 1s.

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There goes 'Gates TD streak! TD Lehigh on a great pass to Falcone.

Mish misses another kick. He his extremely unreliable as a FG kicker.

[TheValleyRaider]

Mayes had time, found Falcone deep for the touchdown. Mish missed the PAT, but the Hawks are on the board

13-6 Colgate
9:43 2nd

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I don't under stand why Breneman isn't playing. Key series with 'Gate getting the second half kickoff..

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Huge sequence on the punt return. Lehigh had a chance on the fumble following the big return...

[TheValleyRaider]

Big return from Sizer sets up a short field, Matthews finishes off the drive with a touchdown run

20-6 Colgate
4:42 2nd

[Franks Tanks]

Army up 17-6 at the half. Pards are overmatched but playing tough. Hopefully the final will be in the 45-13 range. A respectable showing all things considered.

[Franks Tanks]

Spoke too soon. Terrible punt blocked and returned for TD by Army.

[Ramblin' Man]

Fordham-Holy Cross: Rams up 10-0 at the half. Andrew Mevis 55 yard FG.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

If he's short 'Gate has to go for it. No way will the Lehigh D stop them...

[TheValleyRaider]

Ives with the stretch...just short. Last play before the half, Holland punches it in again

27-6 Colgate
Halftime

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Ives with the stretch...just short. Last play before the half, Holland punches it in again

27-6 Colgate
Halftime

Colgate just doing what they need to against a bad Lehigh team. Colgate really hasn't done anything spectacular. They're running the ball predictably against a bad run D and the Lehigh offense can't execute when there's plays to be had. I don't understand why Attwood is playing but that's on Hunt.

[TheValleyRaider]

Solid half, though not really sure what to make of Attwood starting. Clearly keeping the ball on the ground, which has been plenty effective. Attwood 4 of 9 passing, which feels like more throws than I remember seeing.

Defense did give up a touchdown and has had the benefit of some receivers slipping and dropping the ball. Overall, though, it's hard to read too much into the game overall. Colgate is playing well, should finish this off.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

The word is Breneman has a shoulder. Might just be soreness. No need to bring him back in the second half, surely. I didn't get the impression it was serious.

[Franks Tanks]

Princeton 42
Yale 7

4 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. Holy Crap!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Princeton 42
Yale 7

4 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. Holy Crap!

Unsurprised.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Princeton 42
Yale 7

4 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. Holy Crap!

Princeton is ridiculous good! Watching them and Dartmouth relative to Colgate this year I think the IL has the PL number by a decent amount. Princeton might be Top 5 good. Colgate is going to have trouble against CAA athletes in the playoffs.

[TheValleyRaider]

The word is Breneman has a shoulder. Might just be soreness. No need to bring him back in the second half, surely. I didn't get the impression it was serious.

Well, if he's only got one shoulder, that feels like a pretty big problem xreadx

[TheValleyRaider]

Attwood goes downfield for Ives, this time he gets the score. Attwood looking a little better throwing, which is nice to see I suppose

34-6 Colgate
12:05 3rd

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Starting to think if you took Colgate and 32 1/2 points, you might be good

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Starting to think if you took Colgate and 32 1/2 points, you might be good

Especially with their propensity to quit. Colgate is good but I really want to see them play a legitimately good team. They just do their own thing while other teams just stink...

[Franks Tanks]

TD Lafayette

31-13 Army

Nice long TD drive. We are actually running the ball pretty well.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

TD Lafayette

31-13 Army

Nice long TD drive. We are actually running the ball pretty well.

Play like this next week and you'll perhaps send Coen out with a loss he'll remember for a long time.....

[Southsider]

LU stinks. PERIOD!

[TheValleyRaider]

Attwood takes this one in himself, another drive finishes with a score

41-6 Colgate
9:25 3rd

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

LU stinks. PERIOD!

Think how bad Bucknell is!! That program wouldn't be good in D2!!

[RichH2]

Well not getting the competitive game I'd hoped for. A true ass whupping.

[Franks Tanks]

Think how bad Bucknell is!! That program wouldn't be good in D2!!

Ya, would be in the bottom half of the PSAC.

[Southsider]

Coen was his usual clueless self at the half. “Kids competed well”. So, how soon after next week, win or lose, will it be before an announcement comes???

[Southsider]

So glad I stayed home for this. Soooooooo painful.

[TheValleyRaider]

Attwood again, this time on 4th and goal

48-6 Colgate
0:28 3rd

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

So glad I stayed home for this. Soooooooo painful.

Likewise, knew Lehigh had zero chance to make it interesting. They broke the TD streak before garbage time which wasn't surprising either. They have the players to win 1 on 1 battles. They just can't execute worth a darn.

The number of lopsided losses Lehigh has suffered this year is mindboggling. They're just a terrible football team who gets pushed around by anyone with a pulse. Their front seven 7 on defense is completely inept. I've never seen a worse run defense year in and year out.

[TheValleyRaider]

15 minutes to go

Colgate 48
Lehigh 6
End 3rd

[hawkineer]

So glad I stayed home for this. Soooooooo painful.
So am I. Season ticket holder and have attended only two home games. If the team and university doesn't give a crap, why should I? If Coen is back next year, I won't be renewing. Given the lack of attendance at the Lafayette games recently, getting decent tickets for the game doesn't require being a season ticket holder any more. This is a complete embarrassment and Coen is beyond clueless. By the way, so is Matt Kerr. If says one more time during the radio broadcast, the last team to beat Colgate was Lehigh. Who cares?

[Pard4Life]

Go Gate, run it up!!

[Southsider]

LU can’t run, but hey, lets keep trying....so bad

[Southsider]

Go Gate, run it up!!

We’re way past that point P4L.

[Pard4Life]

Next week still a toss up since I don't trust our coach and QB... we have the better attitude by far... Simpson injured and will be out, big loss for Pards.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

It's almost like Lehigh is not trying to score....

[TheValleyRaider]

Lehigh gets deep, but Mayes throws a 4th down pick in the end zone

48-6 Colgate
6:49 4th

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

LU can’t run, but hey, lets keep trying....so bad

What in the world were they trying to do? That's embarrassing.

[Southsider]

Next week still a toss up since I don't trust our coach and QB... we have the better attitude by far... Simpson injured and will be out, big loss for Pards.

If Pards can’t step up this year and pull it out maybe they should drop the sport.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Georgetown 14 Bucknell 3 Final

Better odds to get fired, Coen or Susan? Or are they both cooked?

[Southsider]

Just think how inept this O has been all year. No 2 back sets. No passes to TE. No screens to backs. Completely vanilla. Oh, and did I mention NO DEFENSE!

[TheValleyRaider]

Raiders run out the clock, and a perfect PL campaign

Colgate 48
Lehigh 6
Final

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Raiders run out the clock, and a perfect PL campaign

Colgate 48
Lehigh 6
Final

Solid win! Colgate clearly dominated inferior PL competition to the fullest this year. Next week will be interesting against Army given how tough Lafayette played them. Monken will certainly have his team's attention. I really wish 'Gate played a legit FCS team that could push them in the regular season. You guys are truly the big unknown heading into the playoffs.

[TheValleyRaider]

Not much else to really say in the 2nd half. Lehigh was just outmatched. Colgate didn't get too exotic offensively with the backup QB in. It feels weird to be disappointed about giving up a single touchdown, but otherwise they kept in control of this one.

Great season so far, but the road gets much tougher from here on out. To the banks of the Hudson we go

[TheValleyRaider]

Solid win! Colgate clearly dominated inferior PL competition to the fullest this year. Next week will be interesting against Army given how tough Lafayette played them. Monken will certainly have his team's attention. I really wish 'Gate played a legit FCS team that could push them in the regular season. You guys are truly the big unknown heading into the playoffs.

I'm not even really sure what to make about the Army game, in terms of how this team stacks up. My guess is Army is the best team we'd see all season (including playoffs) short of running into NDSU. Add in their option offense, and what would it actually demonstrate if Colgate lost?

I would really like to see something from the playoff committee this week to see where Colgate ranks heading into the last week. Not saying they should be seeded (let the chips fall where they may), but very interested to see their thoughts with only an FBS game to go.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh losses since the start of 2017.
Villanova 35-38
Monmouth 27-46
Yale 28-56
Penn 47-65
Wagner 20-37
Fordham 32-45
Stony Brook 29-59
Villanova 9-31
Navy 21-51
Penn 10-30
Princeton 6-66
Fordham 14-43
Georgetown 16-22 2/OT
Holy Cross 0-56
Colgate 6-48

Lehigh been outscore 46-20 in their 15 most recent losses.

[hawkineer]

Coen quote after the game "We just didn't do the little things well." Little things like tackle, catch the ball, throw the ball, run the ball, cover punts. Unbelievable.

[ColgateTD]

Solid win! Colgate clearly dominated inferior PL competition to the fullest this year. Next week will be interesting against Army given how tough Lafayette played them. Monken will certainly have his team's attention. I really wish 'Gate played a legit FCS team that could push them in the regular season. You guys are truly the big unknown heading into the playoffs.

Colgate Nation better enjoy this unbelievable season and PL Championship, cuz there are a boatload of excellent seniors on this team.....next year might not be so pretty (...but I hope I'm wrong) :-)

[RichH2]

Congrats to Raiders. A dominant W. Good luck next week vs Army.

[the last indian]

Coen quote after the game "We just didn't do the little things well." Little things like tackle, catch the ball, throw the ball, run the ball, cover punts. Unbelievable.

That is very funny. Sad, but funny. I think you can say good bye to Andy. After watching his pre game interview yesterday, I do think there is something wrong with him. He seemed to drift off mid sentence.

[Pards Rule]

Congrats Raiders on undefeated PL and season - so far. Outmatched Lafayette only gave up 24 on defense to Army (final was 31-13) and LC punter kicked the ball into the helmet of Army guy (if he had been a foot to the side!) for return to the LC1 and TD next play. Great effort by Pards after a 62-7 shellacking up there in 2016!! Hopefully use this showing next week vs Lehigh!!

[RichH2]

Gotta give props to Pards for a very competitive game with Army. Congrats.

[Bill]

OK Lehigh fans...I'll ask the tough question:

Would you sign now for a loss vs. Lafayette, with a guarantee that this outcome ensures a complete coaching staff change? Or is Lafayette so hated that a win is worth it - even if that means the staff stays?

Just trying to spark some discussion...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

OK Lehigh fans...I'll ask the tough question:

Would you sign now for a loss vs. Lafayette, with a guarantee that this outcome ensures a complete coaching staff change? Or is Lafayette so hated that a win is worth it - even if that means the staff stays?

Just trying to spark some discussion...

My belief would be you're not going to beat them EVERY year so when you do lose make sure there's a silver lining....

[Southsider]

OK Lehigh fans...I'll ask the tough question:

Would you sign now for a loss vs. Lafayette, with a guarantee that this outcome ensures a complete coaching staff change? Or is Lafayette so hated that a win is worth it - even if that means the staff stays?

Just trying to spark some discussion...

YEP!

[Sader87]

HC comes back and barely holds off Fordham 17-13. Uninspired 1st H...down 10-0 at the break.

Win is a win is a win....look to close out the season on a 4 game winning streak at GTown next Saturday.

[RichH2]

OK Lehigh fans...I'll ask the tough question:

Would you sign now for a loss vs. Lafayette, with a guarantee that this outcome ensures a complete coaching staff change? Or is Lafayette so hated that a win is worth it - even if that means the staff stays?

Just trying to spark some discussion...

Lafayette game still be be a season saver for old alumni, like me :), but in reality Colgate has been our real rival for the last decade or so. A W vs Pards may have saved a season for me 25-30 years ago, no longer.
I dont have the magic answers for the current state of our program. But Sterrett must figure it out and act.

[hawkineer]

OK Lehigh fans...I'll ask the tough question:

Would you sign now for a loss vs. Lafayette, with a guarantee that this outcome ensures a complete coaching staff change? Or is Lafayette so hated that a win is worth it - even if that means the staff stays?

Just trying to spark some discussion...
I thought that I’d never think it or say it, but show me where to sign if it guarantees Coen’s and crew’s immediate dismissal.

Even a win against another mediocre team ain’t saving this season and shouldn’t save this staff.

[Ramblin' Man]

Lehigh losses since the start of 2017.
Villanova 35-38
Monmouth 27-46
Yale 28-56
Penn 47-65
Wagner 20-37
Fordham 32-45
Stony Brook 29-59
Villanova 9-31
Navy 21-51
Penn 10-30
Princeton 6-66
Fordham 14-43
Georgetown 16-22 2/OT
Holy Cross 0-56
Colgate 6-48

Lehigh been outscore 46-20 in their 15 most recent losses.

Huh? I don't follow your math here.

[Ramblin' Man]

Heartbreaking 17-14 loss to the Crusaders today. Rams had the opportunities, but just fell short. :( Some questionable decisions on offense in the 4th quarter.

[LehighU11]

Huh? I don't follow your math here.
In their past 15 losses, Lehigh is allowing 46.2 ppg while scoring 20.

[the last indian]

Thank you Lafayette. Great effort against one of the better Army teams in years. You gave us Colgate fans some hope. Nevertheless, we beat Lehigh with our second string QB as Breneman seems to have some soreness. So with the playoffs looming, do we go all out and risk injury or hold back to insure that key players are healthy for the playoffs. This maybe a conundrum. If we do well vs Army, our bracket might be more favorable, but someone might get dinged up. I think we go for it. We are likely to have a bye in the first round, so guys will have 2 weeks to heal.
Pretty remarkable we beat Lehigh 48-6 with he #1 QB on the sidelines.

[RichH2]

Thank you Lafayette. Great effort against one of the better Army teams in years. You gave us Colgate fans some hope. Nevertheless, we beat Lehigh with our second string QB as Breneman seems to have some soreness. So with the playoffs looming, do we go all out and risk injury or hold back to insure that key players are healthy for the playoffs. This maybe a conundrum. If we do well vs Army, our bracket might be more favorable, but someone might get dinged up. I think we go for it. We are likely to have a bye in the first round, so guys will have 2 weeks to heal.
Pretty remarkable we beat Lehigh 48-6 with he #1 QB on the sidelines.

That you sure did. ;). As for Army, my guess is Hunt will go for the W. It is dangerous to let up on the gas. You might not get it back. A good game vs Army, W or L, will serve you well going into the playoffs. Given current PL rep, a good game vs Army gives you more credibility for seeding.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

We played like crap and still won by 18 and could have put another touchdown at the end.

I am not worried about Colgate. It will be tight but Monken will have the Cadets ready.

[Ramblin' Man]

In their past 15 losses, Lehigh is allowing 46.2 ppg while scoring 20.

You left out "ppg" in your post. Now I understand. xnodx

[PAllen]

OK Lehigh fans...I'll ask the tough question:

Would you sign now for a loss vs. Lafayette, with a guarantee that this outcome ensures a complete coaching staff change? Or is Lafayette so hated that a win is worth it - even if that means the staff stays?

Just trying to spark some discussion...

Same question was asked about Lembo late in his tenure. I'll always take a victory over Lafayette for the record books.

[Gate83]

Word up in Hammy is Breneman could have played if he needed to, nothing major. Fun that Attwood got a full game his senior year, and he looked much more comfortable throwing the ball as the game went on... I had high hopes for him when he came in vs. Syracuse years back, glad he's got a highlight as a senior.

Lehigh's got some work to do. The pillowfight next weekend looks to be about even to me...

[LehighU11]

Another week, another embarrassing showing. The first 20-25 minutes weren't bad, but it got ugly quick after that.

On a positive note, I don't recall a non-Lafayette home crowd that large in mid-November since 2011. There were plenty more who tailgated, but didn't come inside the gates for the game. 6633 was the announced attendance, which seemed accurate. However, there were less than 10% of that figure by the end of the 3rd quarter (below). Just plain sad.
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[Pard4Life]

Maybe not building your home stands in the shadows for a sport frequently played in chillier weather... pfft... "Engineers"

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Maybe not building your home stands in the shadows for a sport frequently played in chillier weather... pfft... "Engineers"

Says a fan who's field run's the "wrong way" aka East and West :D

6,600 people to witness a dumpster fire isn't bad.

[LehighU11]

Those home stands blocked the wind out of the west today and last week. The folks on the visitor side weren't any more comfortable.

[Gate83]

However, there were less than 10% of that figure by the end of the 3rd quarter (below). Just plain sad.

Well, when you're down 48-6 & the 3rd string is playing... who's staying except the parents?

[Go...gate]

Likewise, knew Lehigh had zero chance to make it interesting. They broke the TD streak before garbage time which wasn't surprising either. They have the players to win 1 on 1 battles. They just can't execute worth a darn.

The number of lopsided losses Lehigh has suffered this year is mindboggling. They're just a terrible football team who gets pushed around by anyone with a pulse. Their front seven 7 on defense is completely inept. I've never seen a worse run defense year in and year out.

Is there any chance in the world Coen stays? I'm amazed he survived after Princeton.

[Go...gate]

Say whatever you want about Colgate, but all I know is this: they are 9-0-0. Only three other squads in the history of the program have achieved a 9-0-0 record this late in the season:

1932 - 9-0-0 was the final record;

1977 - Finished 10-1-0;

2003 - Finished 15-1-0.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Say whatever you want about Colgate, but all I know is this: they are 9-0-0. Only three other squads in the history of the problems have achieved a 9-0-0 record this late in the season:

1932 - 9-0-0 was the final record;

1977 - Finished 10-1-0;

2003 - Finished 15-1-0.

9 and 10 win seasons are always to be remembered! Everything has come together for this 'Gate team. At this point I think everyone is ready to see how their chips stack up relative to a Top 20 team! I'm hoping you guys get a home playoff game! I will try to attend if the weather is decent and the opponent intriguing...

[Go...gate]

9 and 10 win seasons are always to be remembered! Everything has come together for this 'Gate team. At this point I think everyone is ready to see how their chips stack up relative to a Top 20 team! I'm hoping you guys get a home playoff game! I will try to attend if the weather is decent and the opponent intriguing...

Thanks, Go Lehigh TU owl.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

I will be pulling for Colgate in the playoffs.

[carney2]

Is there any chance in the word Coen stays? I'm amazed he survived after Princeton.

In the first place it is very rare for a Patriot League coach to be fired in the middle of the season. I depend on you people to give me instances where it has happened.

IF Coen survives I want you to remember it for the next time there's a thread asking "What's wrong with the Patriot League?" Before you go wandering off into the land of AIs, redshirts, roster sizes, and the like, just cogitate that none of these institutions would accept this level of incompetence/performance from any of their academic departments. For many of them it's OK in athletics though. This says a lot about attitude and support, which is one of, if not THE, key reason that the Patriot League is a toilet.

[LehighU11]

In the first place it is very rare for a Patriot League coach to be fired in the middle of the season. I depend on you people to give me instances where it has happened.

IF Coen survives I want you to remember it for the next time there's a thread asking "What's wrong with the Patriot League?" Before you go wandering off into the land of AIs, redshirts, roster sizes, and the like, just cogitate that none of these institutions would accept this level of incompetence/performance from any of their academic departments. For many of them it's OK in athletics though. This says a lot about attitude and support, which is one of, if not THE, key reason that the Patriot League is a toilet.

Gilmore remains the only coach to be fired mid-season in the 33 years of the Colonial/Patriot League (at least among current members).

Since the League's inception in 1986, here are the total number of head coaches and mid-season coaching changes for each current PL squad:

Bucknell: 6. No mid-season firings.
Colgate: 5. No mid-season firings.
Fordham: 9. No mid-season firings.
Georgetown: 3. No mid-season firings.
Holy Cross: 6. Gilmore fired with 4 games remaining in 2017.
Lafayette: 3. No mid-season firings.
Lehigh: 4. No mid-season firings.

[Pards Rule]

Maybe not building your home stands in the shadows for a sport frequently played in chillier weather... pfft... "Engineers"

Ouch but good!! I always wondered that too...Not so much the first rivalry game there in 1989 with overcast and snow squalls at half and early third quarter!!! Wow that Goodman is 30 years old already!

[Pards Rule]

Say whatever you want about Colgate, but all I know is this: they are 9-0-0. Only three other squads in the history of the program have achieved a 9-0-0 record this late in the season:

1932 - 9-0-0 was the final record;

1977 - Finished 10-1-0;

2003 - Finished 15-1-0.

Congrats on great season and good luck vs Army and in playoffs Gate