AGS Poll Results - WEEK 9 POLL - 2018 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

10/29/2018


Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2200
88
1


2
James Madison Dukes
2058

2


3
UC Davis Aggies
1978

3


4
Kennesaw State Owls
1894

4


5
Weber State Wildcats
1771

7


6
Eastern Washington Eagles
1766

6


7
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1618

10


8
Elon Phoenix
1569

8


9
Wofford Terriers
1363

12


10
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
1342

16


11
Towson Tigers
1312

5


12
Colgate Raiders
1292

13


13
Stony Brook Seawolves
1124

11


14
Illinois State Redbirds
940

9


15
Princeton Tigers
859

17


16
McNeese State Cowboys
843

19


17
Idaho State Bengals
619

22


18
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
563

20


19
Dartmouth Big Green
501

21


20
Nicholls State Colonels
411

24


21
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
375

18


22
Maine Black Bears
374

23


23
Central Arkansas Bears
350

15


24
Northern Iowa Panthers
287

14


25
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
214

27

















ORV:





26
North Carolina A&T Aggies
196

27


27T
Rhode Island Rams
190

25


27T
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
190

26


29
Western Illinois Leathernecks
171

29


30
Chattanooga Mocs
155

31


31
Florida A&M Rattlers
39

28


32
Sam Houston State Bearkats
20

33


33
Monmouth Hawks
6

36


34T
Samford Bulldogs
2

NR


34T
San Diego Toreros
2

39


36
Abilene Christian Wildcats
1

NR






37































Most Significant Win:

Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens




Most Significant Loss:

Northern Iowa Panthers

























Fell Out Of Poll:





30
Incarnate Word Cardinals





34
Missouri State Bears





32
Montana State Bobcats





38
Murray State Racers





35
Sac State Hornets





40
Yale Bulldogs

[Professor Chaos]

Here's this week's Wedge blog post on the poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-9-top-25-results/

I thought overall it was a really nice effort by the voters. A couple minor things I'd call out are UNI in front of WIU looks pretty silly given what happened last Saturday and the fact that both are 4-4 (3-2) in the same conference and if Jacksonville St is really #18 then I think SEMO is getting shortchanged down in a tie for 27th with ~400 less points. I also think Wofford is a bit overrated; if you compare their resume to the 3 teams ranked immediately behind them they should be behind all of them IMO.

[dbackjon]

Hello dbackjon,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/28/2018 16:07:24

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1: North Dakota State Bison
2: UC Davis Aggies
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Colgate Raiders
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Idaho State Bengals
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Towson Tigers
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Princeton Tigers
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
20: Dartmouth Big Green
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Nicholls State Colonels

dbackjon

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

- - - Updated - - -

Still don't understand why people are rating Jacksonville State so high, and SEMO so low

[JSUSoutherner]

JSU is the only team from the OVC worth ranking.

JSU is too high.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Mine FWIW:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Colgate Raiders
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Towson Tigers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Idaho State Bengals
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Rhode Island Rams


The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers

[Professor Chaos]

Here's my crack at it:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Elon Phoenix
5: Kennessaw State Owls
6: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
7: Towson Tigers
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Colgate Raiders
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Idaho State Bengals
14: Princeton Tigers
15: Dartmouth Big Green
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Wofford Terriers
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: SE Missouri State Redhawks
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

[dewey]

Here is my poll.

I still had EWU ahead of Weber State as I thought with a healthy Gage Gubrud EWU is better but since GG is done for the season that changes things.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/28/2018 21:18:59

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1: North Dakota State Bison
2: UC Davis Aggies
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Towson Tigers
8: Kennesaw State Owls
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Idaho State Bengals
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Rhode Island Rams

dewey

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

Mine FWIW:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Colgate Raiders
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Towson Tigers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Idaho State Bengals
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Rhode Island Rams


The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
I think you're shortchanging your Blue Hens. Look at what they've done compared to your #4-#6 teams (who all have 2 losses). Call me a homer but I'd count losing on the road to NDSU about the same as losing on the road to an FBS team.

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/28/2018 11:47:48

Your vote is listed below.
() AGS Ranking

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: UC Davis Aggies (3)
4: Kennesaw State Owls (4)
5: Eastern Washington Eagles (6)
6: Weber State Wildcats (5)
7: Towson Tigers (11)
8: Elon Phoenix (8)
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (7)
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (10)
11: Stony Brook Seawolves (13)
12: Colgate Raiders (12)
13: Wofford Terriers (9)
14: Idaho State Bengals (17)
15: McNeese State Cowboys (16)
16: Central Arkansas Bears (23)
17: Illinois State Redbirds (14)
18: Princeton Tigers (15)
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (21)
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks (29)
21: Northern Iowa Panthers (24)
22: Dartmouth Big Green (19)
23: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks (27)
24: Florida A&M Rattlers (31)
25: Nicholls State Colonels (20)

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[FUGameBreaker]

UNI should not be ranked, they are 4-4 and just got smoked by a 3-4 team lol

[PaladinFan]

Here's this week's Wedge blog post on the poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-9-top-25-results/

I thought overall it was a really nice effort by the voters. A couple minor things I'd call out are UNI in front of WIU looks pretty silly given what happened last Saturday and the fact that both are 4-4 (3-2) in the same conference and if Jacksonville St is really #18 then I think SEMO is getting shortchanged down in a tie for 27th with ~400 less points. I also think Wofford is a bit overrated; if you compare their resume to the 3 teams ranked immediately behind them they should be behind all of them IMO.

It's a bit of a tough argument for Wofford when Furman lost to Elon by, what, 27 and then beat Wofford by 3 touchdowns.

Granted, I don't think Elon saw Furman's best game that day, but it is what it is.

[FUGameBreaker]

It's a bit of a tough argument for Wofford when Furman lost to Elon by, what, 27 and then beat Wofford by 3 touchdowns.

Granted, I don't think Elon saw Furman's best game that day, but it is what it is.


Elon faced Furman when Furman had a bad QB

Wofford faced Furman when Furman had a good QB

[Professor Chaos]

Elon faced Furman when Furman had a bad QB

Wofford faced Furman when Furman had a good QB
So Furman gave up 45 points and 448 total yards of offense to Elon because of their QB (or lack thereof)?

[nodak651]

Weber is going to have a much better offense now that their backup qb that they played way too much got hurt. Guy had a 37.5 completion percentage and they had him throw 48 passes this year - 55.99 Qb rating.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29383&stc=1

[TheKingpin28]

People are still disrespecting ISUo if they are still just 17. Complete joke if they aren't considered at least a T15 tean.

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[FUGameBreaker]

So Furman gave up 45 points and 448 total yards of offense to Elon because of their QB (or lack thereof)?


Was a huge part of that yes of course, not being able to move the ball and generate field position and points, plus multiple dumb turnovers by the QB, yes it played a huge part in that game no doubt.
Just like it did in us choking the lead against Samford, exact same situation

[Professor Chaos]

Was a huge part of that yes of course, not being able to move the ball and generate field position and points, plus multiple dumb turnovers by the QB, yes it played a huge part in that game no doubt.
Just like it did in us choking the lead against Samford, exact same situation
It played a part in it I'm sure but you don't get down 45-0 in a game just because your QB sucks.

[POD Knows]

People are still disrespecting ISUo if they are still just 17. Complete joke if they aren't considered at least a T15 tean.

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[RabidRabbit]

Rabid thoughts on this top 25

Your vote is listed below.*


1:*North Dakota State Bison
2:*UC Davis Aggies
3:*James Madison Dukes
4:*Kennesaw State Owls
5:*Weber State Wildcats
6:*Eastern Washington Eagles
7:*South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8:*Elon Phoenix
9:*Towson Tigers
10:*Wofford Terriers
11:*Colgate Raiders
12:*Stony Brook Seawolves
13:*Princeton Tigers
14:*Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15:*McNeese State Cowboys
16:*Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17:*Dartmouth Big Green
18:*Illinois State Redbirds
19:*Northern Iowa Panthers
20:*Western Illinois Leathernecks
21:*Chattanooga Mocs
22:*Nicholls State Colonels
23:*North Carolina A&T Aggies
24:*Idaho State Bengals
25:*North Dakota Fighting Hawks

RabidRabbit*

The Most Significant Win:*Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss:*Northern Iowa Panthers

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[FUGameBreaker]

It played a part in it I'm sure but you don't get down 45-0 in a game just because your QB sucks.


Actually absolutely yes you can xthumbsupx

[Reign of Terrier]

So Furman gave up 45 points and 448 total yards of offense to Elon because of their QB (or lack thereof)?

Furman's defense is suspect, yes, but part of their strategy is keep away. That's how they beat Wofford. You can look at the Wofford game and maybe the Western Carolina game (when their starting QB played and was healthy) and compare it to any other game Furman had and they did a lot better on third down conversions, pass efficiency and (probably) turnover margin. A couple of Furman's scores came on short fields. And Wofford got it in Furman's territory late but was chasing points (opting to go for it instead of kicking field goals), so the three scores is a little deceptive. Not excusing the loss, but I do think it's a different game all together if Furman can pass or take care of the ball as effectively with Roberts at QB, and you can see that in the stats. Being able to protect the football and convert on third down is huge against a team like Wofford (which is why I don't see us beating the Bison this year if we ever play) and Roberts produced that.

By all measures, Furman's best game of the year was Wofford, and Wofford's worst game was Furman. It happens and actually usually happens in Greenville.

But Wofford has one literally every other game but 1 by double digits, which is better than what we did last year. Every game this year but Furman we've won by a wider margin than we did last year, and all of the teams are better except Western (who we haven't played yet) and maybe Mercer.

I don't think we deserve a seed at this moment, but being top 11 is probably about right. If we win out and win the Socon autobid and a couple other teams drop a game or two, I think we deserve one in the 6-8 range, pending on who it is.

[ST_Lawson]

A couple minor things I'd call out are UNI in front of WIU looks pretty silly given what happened last Saturday and the fact that both are 4-4 (3-2) in the same conference...

I don't mind it if UNI is a little bit ahead of us right now, since they beat SDSU, but our best win is them (UNI). 5 "spots" apart seems a bit much though.

[TheKingpin28]

Check out the POD Knows' poll, POD Knows knows polls, POD Knows need another cup of coffee, I got sleepy from all the awesomeness.I'll post mine whenever I get it back, but I've had them at 11 for now 3 weeks and while that might be a little high, 17 is a joke.

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[TheKingpin28]

Actually absolutely yes you can xthumbsupxOr you know, just not have a defense. xcoffeex

Look at the NDSU vs USeD game for reference. Simmons is a solid QB (no Streveler, who was the best QB in the FCS last year) and the Bison straight up bitch slapped them up and down the field.

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[AggiePride]

Maybe the coaches poll will let us into the top 15 this week!

[FUGameBreaker]

Or you know, just not have a defense. xcoffeex

Look at the NDSU vs USeD game for reference. Simmons is a solid QB (no Streveler, who was the best QB in the FCS last year) and the Bison straight up bitch slapped them up and down the field.

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What remote comparison does NDSU vs USD have to Furman playing Elon with probably one of the current worst QB's in the country lol

[AggiePride]

And yeah, Idaho State is really good, step it up people.

[MacThor]

I had to put Delaware slightly ahead of Elon & Towson. The schedule fell pretty perfectly for them, getting Elon (in a classic letdown spot) and Towson at home. They avoid JMU altogether. At least they play Stony Brook on the road.

I've got Colgate and the Ivy 2 higher than the consensus (but not computer-high; that's just nuts). I've watched a bit and it is good football, regardless of who they're playing.

[TheKingpin28]

What remote comparison does NDSU vs USD have to Furman playing Elon with probably one of the current worst QB's in the country lolYou can try and blame the qb all you want, but your defense gave up 45 unanswered points. Any defense that does that deserves to lose.

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[dbackjon]

Rabid thoughts on this top 25

Your vote is listed below.*


1:*North Dakota State Bison
2:*UC Davis Aggies
3:*James Madison Dukes
4:*Kennesaw State Owls
5:*Weber State Wildcats
6:*Eastern Washington Eagles
7:*South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8:*Elon Phoenix
9:*Towson Tigers
10:*Wofford Terriers
11:*Colgate Raiders
12:*Stony Brook Seawolves
13:*Princeton Tigers
14:*Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15:*McNeese State Cowboys
16:*Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17:*Dartmouth Big Green
18:*Illinois State Redbirds
19:*Northern Iowa Panthers
20:*Western Illinois Leathernecks
21:*Chattanooga Mocs
22:*Nicholls State Colonels
23:*North Carolina A&T Aggies
24:*Idaho State Bengals
25:*North Dakota Fighting Hawks

RabidRabbit*

The Most Significant Win:*Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss:*Northern Iowa Panthers

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Idaho State #24? That's a joke

[FUGameBreaker]

You can try and blame the qb all you want, but your defense gave up 45 unanswered points. Any defense that does that deserves to lose.

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How about this for starters lol, did the defense give up the first 7 points when our QB made a terrible bonehead fumble to start the game that was returned for a TD, just stop talking to me about a game you know nothing about thanks bud xthumbsupx

[Reign of Terrier]

Furman is still a young team that lacks depth at key positions (Quarterback, for one; they have like 3 freshmen). They were coming off a bye and played with a lot of emotion against Wofford in part because Wofford curb stomped them in the playoffs after a lot of trash talk on both sides (but mainly from Furman). Wofford came in, fresh off a good win against Chattanooga and a tough defense thinking we would run over Furman who appeared down, having lost to Elon and ETSU, who everyone thought was not great but will make the playoffs if they beat Mercer Saturday. Perfect storm.

If you look at the film, Wofford made mistakes on <10 play that probably changed the course of the game (which is normal in many games, just not in games decided by 3 TDs). Doesn't take away the loss or excuse. Wofford isn't a top 5 team, based on the resume we've put together, but I think we are definitely solidly in the top 11 because we play better defense than most of the country.

But we'd still lose to NDSU tbh

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Colgate Raiders
12: Princeton Tigers
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Towson Tigers
15: Dartmouth Big Green
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Central Arkansas Bears

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[Reign of Terrier]

Also, I had Wofford ranked 12th this week, so who's the homer now???

[Thumper 76]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2018 5:56:27

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Colgate Raiders
11: Towson Tigers
12: Idaho State Bengals
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Dartmouth Big Green

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference




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[POD Knows]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2018 5:56:27

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Colgate Raiders
11: Towson Tigers
12: Idaho State Bengals
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Dartmouth Big Green

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference




Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkChatty at 13? I had them in my poll last week, just barely, and dropped them after they almost lost to VMI.

[Fear the Bird]

Hello Fear the Bird,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/28/2018 18:40:06

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Towson Tigers
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Wofford Terriers
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Idaho State Bengals
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Colgate Raiders
15: Princeton Tigers
16: Dartmouth Big Green
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Western Illinois Leathernecks
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks

Fear the Bird

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Central Arkansas Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[Thumper 76]

Chatty at 13? I had them in my poll last week, just barely, and dropped them after they almost lost to VMI.

Yeah, probably a bit shaky there but they keep finding ways to win games. And if there’s anything I’ve learned about the SoCon, nobody knows how to blow out anybody.


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[Daytripper]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: UC Davis Aggies
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Colgate Raiders
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Towson Tigers
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Princeton Tigers
15: Idaho State Bengals
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Dartmouth Big Green
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

[Reign of Terrier]

Chatty at 13? I had them in my poll last week, just barely, and dropped them after they almost lost to VMI.

It's a little bit much to say Chatty almost lost to VMI. They were down 14-0 at one point, but that's because of a pick 6. They came back to tie it at 21 at half, and were ahead 34-21 before VMI got a score with a minute left. Chattanooga only had the ball for 9 drives and scored on 5 of them. VMI had 10 possessions, only scored on 3. They run an air raid offense but only managed about 300 yards, with about 315ish through the air and like -20 running. Chattanooga plays a weird offense where most of their yardage comes from passing the ball, but they aren't an air raid. They play tough defense though.

Here's my poll FWIW:

Hello youngterrier,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/27/2018 22:00:04

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: Colgate Raiders
11: Towson Tigers
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Princeton Tigers
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

Delaware is as high as they are because they beat Elon and I systemically undervalue Kennesaw

[caribbeanhen]

It's a little bit much to say Chatty almost lost to VMI. They were down 14-0 at one point, but that's because of a pick 6. They came back to tie it at 21 at half, and were ahead 34-21 before VMI got a score with a minute left. Chattanooga only had the ball for 9 drives and scored on 5 of them. VMI had 10 possessions, only scored on 3. They run an air raid offense but only managed about 300 yards, with about 315ish through the air and like -20 running. Chattanooga plays a weird offense where most of their yardage comes from passing the ball, but they aren't an air raid. They play tough defense though.

Here's my poll FWIW:

Hello youngterrier,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/27/2018 22:00:04

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: Colgate Raiders
11: Towson Tigers
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Princeton Tigers
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

Delaware is as high as they are because they beat Elon and I systemically undervalue Kennesaw

I disagree with your ündervalue comment on Kennesaw State, you most likely have them in the right spot, also good to see Delaware over Elon and Towson, many pollsters are not looking at final scores

[Reign of Terrier]

Yeah, probably a bit shaky there but they keep finding ways to win games. And if there’s anything I’ve learned about the SoCon, nobody knows how to blow out anybody.


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Nobody blows anyone out because the teams that try to score a lot of points can't play defense while the teams that play good defense don't aim to score a lot of points. And the teams that play defense are better than the teams that aim to score a lot of points, ergo blowouts are few and far between.

On a serious note, I think part of the reason the Socon has such consistently close games is because of the variation of styles. You have 3 run-heavy teams (Citadel, Furman, Wofford, though Furman would contest that evaluation), 2 air raids (Samford, VMI), 2 spreads (Mercer, Western), and two pros (ETSU, Chattanooga, and Furman on any given day). It's less predictable and strengths in run defense or pass defense are more pronounced and thus easier to take advantage of.

Meanwhile, from what little I know of the Big Sky, Southland and CAA, from the outside looking in, it seems like they uniformly run either spread or pro-offenses. The MVFC runs big-ten style pro offenses that pound it with fullbacks (it is objectively beautiful). I think Wofford tends to be competitive in 95% of the playoff games we play (except for that one loss to NDSU last year which is it's own conversation) is because our style of play is more similar to the MVFC than the Big Sky. The same was true of Chattanooga a couple years ago, and probably Furman as well. Run-first, defense-oriented style teams are more consistent IMO.

So, when we talk about playoffs, I think both ETSU and Chattanooga have the defense to stay competitive against anyone outside of the top 8.

[Sammy94]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Elon Phoenix
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Colgate Raiders
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Towson Tigers
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Princeton Tigers
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Dartmouth Big Green
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Idaho State Bengals
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

Sammy94

[Reign of Terrier]

I disagree with your ündervalue comment on Kennesaw State, you most likely have them in the right spot, also good to see Delaware over Elon and Towson, many pollsters are not looking at final scores

I undervalue them compared to everyone else.

I also caught myself twice when filling the ballot out because for a second I hate Jacksonville state at 24 and A&T at 25

[grizband]

I have Idaho State too low

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Colgate Raiders
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: Towson Tigers
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Dartmouth Big Green
21: Idaho State Bengals
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: East Tennessee State Buccaneers

grizband

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Montana Grizzlies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On:

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/28/2018 9:31:31.

Your vote is listed below. (Last week's rank by this voter is denoted in parentheses.)

1: North Dakota State Bison (1) - Again, self-explanatory.

2: James Madison Dukes (2) - Survived Stony Brook, who was ranked #11 by AGS and is by no account is a pushover in the CAA.

3: UC-Davis Aggies (3) - Sleepy vs. Montana, but pulled away in 2nd half (4th quarter in particular). Big Sky conference leader, and it appears that only Eastern Washington can stand in their way of claiming this crown outright (and that may be over with the Gage Gubrud news).

4: Kennesaw State Owls (5) - Winning convincingly over a common opponent with Elon. Not to bring in transitive properties, but Kennesaw beat Charleston Southern by 28, Elon beat them by 9. Only point this out to say that perhaps Kennesaw does really warrant top 5 consideration, as Elon was #8 in last week's AGS poll.

5: Weber State Wildcats (6) - Tough win over AGS #18 North Dakota. The only real challenge left should be Idaho State in the last game of the year; however, Weber State needs to make sure they don't have a Northern Arizona-type hiccup before then, which is currently the only reason they may not win the Big Sky (and unfortunately, they do not play UC-Davis).

6: Eastern Washington Eagles (7) - Taking care of business, but unclear where ceiling is without Gage Gubrud. Have a showdown in two weeks with UC-Davis, and the "new" QB will have four starts under his belt by then.

7: Elon Phoenix (8) - Bye, but moved up due to Towson loss.

8: Idaho State Bengals (11) - Have had the Bengals in my poll for three weeks. Since then, they have lost in OT to AGS #3 UC-Davis, lost by one score to FBS Liberty, and snapped an 11-game losing streak to Montana State by nearly the same difference as Weber State beat Montana State by last week. Only other loss is to FBS California, who beat Washington this past weekend. Their last remaining test should be Weber State in the final game of the year, and could be for a seed in the FCS playoffs.

9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (10) - The rumors of the Jackrabbits demise appear to have been greatly exaggerated. Looks like a pretty clear path to running the table and potentially getting a seed.

10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (22) - Beat AGS #5 Towson, and arguably playing the best football in the CAA lately. Stony Brook (in two weeks) appears to be the biggest challenge remaining on the schedule (again, no James Madison this year).

11: Towson Tigers (4) - Beaten by a strong second half showing by Delaware. Still waiting for showdowns with James Madison AND Elon. Therefore, ranked here at #11.

12: Stony Brook Seawolves (12) - Five CAA teams in this voter's top 12. Moved up with a loss? Yes. Just wanted to spread the Moral Victory Football Conference love to the CAA.

13: Northern Iowa Panthers (9) - Jekyll and Hyde. All this voter can say is "Yikes!". Now have to win out to get to 7 DI wins...and one of those games is with Illinois State (only, it is potentially worse for the Redbirds; see #19). When Furman leads North Dakota State after three quarters and beats South Dakota State, we'll talk.

14: McNeese State Cowboys (14) - The Cowboys may have taken a bad loss to Incarnate Word last week, but they showed that they are likely the best team in a Southland conference that appears to still be for the taking. Barring a hiccup vs. Lamar, has a pretty clear path to the conference championship.

15: Nicholls State Colonels (16) - Took care of Incarnate Word, but lost the head-to-head with McNeese State earlier in the year. They appear to have the easiest remaining schedule in the Southland, but the additional loss to Abilene Christian two weeks ago make it very difficult for Nicholls State to catch McNeese State.

16: Wofford Terriers (20) - Loss to Furman a few weeks ago brought Wofford's high ranking into question a bit. The Terriers have rebounded nicely and control their own destiny for the Southern Conference title. Biggest remaining challenge appears to be @ Samford next week.

17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (19) - Handed Murray State their first conference loss and is still close to the top of the Ohio Valley (Southeast Missouri State has the tiebreaker - for reason SEMO is not ranked and JSU is, see post on last week's thread).

18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (14) - Have lost to Washington (FBS), Idaho State, and Weber State. The two FCS losses have been by a combined 9 points. Appear to have a clear path to 8 DI wins; however, none of those wins will have been overly impressive.

19: Illinois State Redbirds (12) - A loss to South Dakota State under many other circumstances would not have been that bad; however, the Redbirds must win out to garner 7 DI wins. The game next week @ Northern Iowa is essentially do-or-die for both teams, and both will be coming off of losses. Should Northern Iowa win that game, the Redbirds can only get to 6 DI wins, and although one of those was @ FBS Colorado State, the Rams just got handled by Wyoming (who only beat Wofford by 3). Not sure this FBS win is enough to counteract only 6 DI wins.

20: Colgate Raiders (21) - Have only given up 6 points total since Sept 8 (6 games) AND handled William & Mary. Perhaps this voter should have them higher, but 7 point OOC wins over New Hampshire and Holy Cross were less than impressive. Very happy to see them doing well, but let's pump the brakes just a bit on equating them to the 2003 Raiders.

21: Dartmouth Big Green (23) - Now believe that the cream of the Ivy League crop might pick off a few ranked FCS teams here-or-there...just not as many or by as much as World believes. "The matchup" (sorry, don't know what they call this game) has finally arrived.

22: Princeton Tigers (24) - Both Dartmouth and Princeton put up one-score wins in back-to-back weeks against Harvard (who lost to Holy Cross, which lost to Colgate). Transitive properties aside, this voter is looking forward to this week's matchup and feels that this should be AGS's GOTW. That said, there will be other games with much bigger win threshold (7 D1 wins) and playoff ramifications, so it will be interesting to see what the GOTW will actually be.

23: Central Arkansas Bears (17) - Lost to McNeese State, but hanging in there in the Southland. The question: How many Southland teams make the playoffs, and if that number is two AND Central Arkansas finishes tied with Nicholls for second place, who gets in (as they do not play one another)? Obviously, this voter thinks Nicholls due to ranking (mostly riding their FBS win over Kansas, who BTW beat Texas Christian for its first Big 12 win since 2016 this past weekend).

24: Western Illinois Leathernecks (NR) - The Leathernecks just took care of Northern Iowa AND has arguably the clearest path to 7 DI wins with their remaining MVFC schedule. If Northern Iowa falls to Illinois State, Western Illinois has the potential to slide into a playoff spot vacated by the Panthers (and/or maybe the Redbirds), assuming the MVFC is a four playoff team league, which right now is in question.

25: Florida A&M Rattlers (NR) - C'mon. Beat North Carolina A&T, and Morgan State (who beat NC A&T), and is undefeated in conference play. Yes, it is the MEAC, but NC A&T was somehow the AGS #25 last week...just sayin'.

Preferred Walk-On

Most significant win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens - Is this a completely different Delaware team from that which started the year with a loss to Rhode Island and was dominated by North Dakota State? Me thinks so, and they now have a clear path to sharing or potentially winning the CAA.

Most significant loss: Northern Iowa Panthers - After a big win against South Dakota State, they follow it up with a major letdown @ Western Illinois. There is no longer any room for error. Win out = 7 DI wins...lose one more, and the season likely ends on Nov 17.

Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[caribbeanhen]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2018 5:56:27

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Colgate Raiders
11: Towson Tigers
12: Idaho State Bengals
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Dartmouth Big Green

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference




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a few opinions

Dartmouth but no Princeton? I was a bit suprised to see the rise of the Ivies, but both pass the eye test, lots of talent on those 2 teams
Princeton beat Cornell by how many? if your #16 got to play Cornell again they would do better this time

I believe you are to high on the Southren Conf this year, they seem a tick down to me..... Chatty and Wofford to high

check out the final scores of the Delaware vs Elon and Delaware vs Towson games,..... what does a Hen have to do?

Maine over Rhode Island? Maine did beat them in Rhode Island, the Rams just not the same without Lawson who is a stud

[ksu_owls]

4: Kennesaw State Owls (5) - Winning convincingly over a common opponent with Elon. Not to bring in transitive properties, but Kennesaw beat Charleston Southern by 28, Elon beat them by 9. Only point this out to say that perhaps Kennesaw does really warrant top 5 consideration, as Elon was #8 in last week's AGS poll.



It was an interesting game. Defense was solid but we went to the air a lot (192 passing yards), which is unusual. Last play of the second half we threw a goal line pick that was returned 100 yards for Chuck's only TD of the game. I guess it's good to practice our "air assault" (lol) but 2 picks is a lot against a sorry chuck south defense.

[POD Knows]

It's a little bit much to say Chatty almost lost to VMI. They were down 14-0 at one point, but that's because of a pick 6. They came back to tie it at 21 at half, and were ahead 34-21 before VMI got a score with a minute left. Chattanooga only had the ball for 9 drives and scored on 5 of them. VMI had 10 possessions, only scored on 3. They run an air raid offense but only managed about 300 yards, with about 315ish through the air and like -20 running. Chattanooga plays a weird offense where most of their yardage comes from passing the ball, but they aren't an air raid. They play tough defense though.

Here's my poll FWIW:

Hello youngterrier,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/27/2018 22:00:04

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: Colgate Raiders
11: Towson Tigers
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Princeton Tigers
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

Delaware is as high as they are because they beat Elon and I systemically undervalue Kennesaw I have 6 or 7 teams right in that top 24 and 25 range, JSU, Chatty, Maine, FAMU, NCAT, Nicholls, Rhody and it gets to be kind of a coin flip, I don't get the love for JSU, they have beaten no one and people have them in the "teens" in their polls, that is a joke. Both Nicholls and FAMU had decent wins this week so I got them in those last two spots.

[grizband]

Hello Preferred Walk-On:

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/28/2018 9:31:31.

Your vote is listed below. (Last week's rank by this voter is denoted in parentheses.)

1: North Dakota State Bison (1) - Again, self-explanatory.

2: James Madison Dukes (2) - Survived Stony Brook, who was ranked #11 by AGS and is by no account is a pushover in the CAA.

3: UC-Davis Aggies (3) - Sleepy vs. Montana, but pulled away in 2nd half (4th quarter in particular). Big Sky conference leader, and it appears that only Eastern Washington can stand in their way of claiming this crown outright (and that may be over with the Gage Gubrud news).

4: Kennesaw State Owls (5) - Winning convincingly over a common opponent with Elon. Not to bring in transitive properties, but Kennesaw beat Charleston Southern by 28, Elon beat them by 9. Only point this out to say that perhaps Kennesaw does really warrant top 5 consideration, as Elon was #8 in last week's AGS poll.

5: Weber State Wildcats (6) - Tough win over AGS #18 North Dakota. The only real challenge left should be Idaho State in the last game of the year; however, Weber State needs to make sure they don't have a Northern Arizona-type hiccup before then, which is currently the only reason they may not win the Big Sky (and unfortunately, they do not play UC-Davis).

6: Eastern Washington Eagles (7) - Taking care of business, but unclear where ceiling is without Gage Gubrud. Have a showdown in two weeks with UC-Davis, and the "new" QB will have four starts under his belt by then.

7: Elon Phoenix (8) - Bye, but moved up due to Towson loss.

8: Idaho State Bengals (11) - Have had the Bengals in my poll for three weeks. Since then, they have lost in OT to AGS #3 UC-Davis, lost by one score to FBS Liberty, and snapped an 11-game losing streak to Montana State by nearly the same difference as Weber State beat Montana State by last week. Only other loss is to FBS California, who beat Washington this past weekend. Their last remaining test should be Weber State in the final game of the year, and could be for a seed in the FCS playoffs.

9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (10) - The rumors of the Jackrabbits demise appear to have been greatly exaggerated. Looks like a pretty clear path to running the table and potentially getting a seed.

10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (22) - Beat AGS #5 Towson, and arguably playing the best football in the CAA lately. Stony Brook (in two weeks) appears to be the biggest challenge remaining on the schedule (again, no James Madison this year).

11: Towson Tigers (4) - Beaten by a strong second half showing by Delaware. Still waiting for showdowns with James Madison AND Elon. Therefore, ranked here at #11.

12: Stony Brook Seawolves (12) - Five CAA teams in this voter's top 12. Moved up with a loss? Yes. Just wanted to spread the Moral Victory Football Conference love to the CAA.

13: Northern Iowa Panthers (9) - Jekyll and Hyde. All this voter can say is "Yikes!". Now have to win out to get to 7 DI wins...and one of those games is with Illinois State (only, it is potentially worse for the Redbirds; see #19). When Furman leads North Dakota State after three quarters and beats South Dakota State, we'll talk.

14: McNeese State Cowboys (14) - The Cowboys may have taken a bad loss to Incarnate Word last week, but they showed that they are likely the best team in a Southland conference that appears to still be for the taking. Barring a hiccup vs. Lamar, has a pretty clear path to the conference championship.

15: Nicholls State Colonels (16) - Took care of Incarnate Word, but lost the head-to-head with McNeese State earlier in the year. They appear to have the easiest remaining schedule in the Southland, but the additional loss to Abilene Christian two weeks ago make it very difficult for Nicholls State to catch McNeese State.

16: Wofford Terriers (20) - Loss to Furman a few weeks ago brought Wofford's high ranking into question a bit. The Terriers have rebounded nicely and control their own destiny for the Southern Conference title. Biggest remaining challenge appears to be @ Samford next week.

17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (19) - Handed Murray State their first conference loss and is still close to the top of the Ohio Valley (Southeast Missouri State has the tiebreaker - for reason SEMO is not ranked and JSU is, see post on last week's thread).

18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (14) - Have lost to Washington (FBS), Idaho State, and Weber State. The two FCS losses have been by a combined 9 points. Appear to have a clear path to 8 DI wins; however, none of those wins will have been overly impressive.

19: Illinois State Redbirds (12) - A loss to South Dakota State under many other circumstances would not have been that bad; however, the Redbirds must win out to garner 7 DI wins. The game next week @ Northern Iowa is essentially do-or-die for both teams, and both will be coming off of losses. Should Northern Iowa win that game, the Redbirds can only get to 6 DI wins, and although one of those was @ FBS Colorado State, the Rams just got handled by Wyoming (who only beat Wofford by 3). Not sure this FBS win is enough to counteract only 6 DI wins.

20: Colgate Raiders (21) - Have only given up 6 points total since Sept 8 (6 games) AND handled William & Mary. Perhaps this voter should have them higher, but 7 point OOC wins over New Hampshire and Holy Cross were less than impressive. Very happy to see them doing well, but let's pump the brakes just a bit on equating them to the 2003 Raiders.

21: Dartmouth Big Green (23) - Now believe that the cream of the Ivy League crop might pick off a few ranked FCS teams here-or-there...just not as many or by as much as World believes. "The matchup" (sorry, don't know what they call this game) has finally arrived.

22: Princeton Tigers (24) - Both Dartmouth and Princeton put up one-score wins in back-to-back weeks against Harvard (who lost to Holy Cross, which lost to Colgate). Transitive properties aside, this voter is looking forward to this week's matchup and feels that this should be AGS's GOTW. That said, there will be other games with much bigger win threshold (7 D1 wins) and playoff ramifications, so it will be interesting to see what the GOTW will actually be.

23: Central Arkansas Bears (17) - Lost to McNeese State, but hanging in there in the Southland. The question: How many Southland teams make the playoffs, and if that number is two AND Central Arkansas finishes tied with Nicholls for second place, who gets in (as they do not play one another)? Obviously, this voter thinks Nicholls due to ranking (mostly riding their FBS win over Kansas, who BTW beat Texas Christian for its first Big 12 win since 2016 this past weekend).

24: Western Illinois Leathernecks (NR) - The Leathernecks just took care of Northern Iowa AND has arguably the clearest path to 7 DI wins with their remaining MVFC schedule. If Northern Iowa falls to Illinois State, Western Illinois has the potential to slide into a playoff spot vacated by the Panthers (and/or maybe the Redbirds), assuming the MVFC is a four playoff team league, which right now is in question.

25: Florida A&M Rattlers (NR) - C'mon. Beat North Carolina A&T, and Morgan State (who beat NC A&T), and is undefeated in conference play. Yes, it is the MEAC, but NC A&T was somehow the AGS #25 last week...just sayin'.

Preferred Walk-On

Most significant win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens - Is this a completely different Delaware team from that which started the year with a loss to Rhode Island and was dominated by North Dakota State? Me thinks so, and they now have a clear path to sharing or potentially winning the CAA.

Most significant loss: Northern Iowa Panthers - After a big win against South Dakota State, they follow it up with a major letdown @ Western Illinois. There is no longer any room for error. Win out = 7 DI wins...lose one more, and the season likely ends on Nov 17.

Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference
Overall, fairly solid poll, although I'm not sure Nothern Iowa should be ranked at this point. Also, not having Idaho State ranked is a little suspicious.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Overall, fairly solid poll, although I'm not sure Nothern Iowa should be ranked at this point. Also, not having Idaho State ranked is a little suspicious.

Idaho State was #8.

[grizband]

Idaho State was #8.
Then I retract my previous statement; sorry bud!

[Schism55]

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Towson Tigers
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Idaho State Bengals
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Colgate Raiders
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Western Illinois Leathernecks
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Stony Brook Seawolves

[Preferred Walk-On]

Overall, fairly solid poll, although I'm not sure Nothern Iowa should be ranked at this point. Also, not having Idaho State ranked is a little suspicious.

Not to throw gas on the fire grizband, but California-Davis needs to be added to your signature. :D

[grizband]

Not to throw gas on the fire grizband, but California-Davis needs to be added to your signature. :D
They do, tried but couldn't remember how to edit it the other night xrotatehx

[Preferred Walk-On]

Overall, fairly solid poll, although I'm not sure Nothern Iowa should be ranked at this point.

Admittedly, I have some MVFC bias that I try to check at the door when doing this poll. That said, I think Cocky said it best in the Furman v. Northern Iowa thread:


UNI is inconsistent along with a few others which make them hard to rank. They could beat most any team or lose to most any team on an AGS.
There are a few other teams fall that into this category

I think Northern Iowa is the quintessential example of this, and my polls tend to be a little less knee-jerk than some others I have seen. Not saying either is right or wrong, but this is why Northern Iowa is still in my top 15 even after losing to Western Illinois (who, by the way, nobody should sleep on).

[grizband]

Admittedly, I have some MVFC bias that I try to check at the door when doing this poll. That said, I think Cocky said it best in the Furman v. Northern Iowa thread:

I think Northern Iowa is the quintessential example of this, and my polls tend to be a little less knee-jerk than some others I have seen. Not saying either is right or wrong, but this is why Northern Iowa is still in my top 15 even after losing to Western Illinois (who, by the way, nobody should sleep on).
Western Illinois and Northern Iowa are both inconsistent, but at 4-4 I don't believe either team has the overall resume to be ranked (despite a decent win for each team).

[semobison]

Hello Semobison,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/28/2018 15:31:35

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: UC Davis Aggies
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Elon Phoenix
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Idaho State Bengals
12: Colgate Raiders
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Towson Tigers
15: Princeton Tigers
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

Semobison

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Reign of Terrier]

I have 6 or 7 teams right in that top 24 and 25 range, JSU, Chatty, Maine, FAMU, NCAT, Nicholls, Rhody and it gets to be kind of a coin flip, I don't get the love for JSU, they have beaten no one and people have them in the "teens" in their polls, that is a joke. Both Nicholls and FAMU had decent wins this week so I got them in those last two spots.In every poll in every division 15-25 are a coin flip IMO

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[ST_Lawson]

Western Illinois and Northern Iowa are both inconsistent, but at 4-4 I don't believe either team has the overall resume to be ranked (despite a decent win for each team).

I don't know about "inconsistent" for WIU. I feel like, other than losing by a FG at Montana State (in front of a loud and packed house) in our new HC's first game, we've pretty much beaten the teams we were "supposed" to beat and lost to the teams we were "supposed" to lose to. U of I...they suck but they're still Big 10. Illinois State and NDSU...both very good, although ILSU is losing a bit of their shine after the last couple of days. If we lose one of the last three (@SIU, @UDS, INSU), then I could see inconsistent. Otherwise, we've beaten all the mid-to-lower teams we've faced: Montana, YSU, MSU, UNI.

EDIT - I'm ok with being in the ORV category at this point. We need to go a nice run to finish out before anyone could consider us "above average", I think.

[Preferred Walk-On]

I don't know about "inconsistent" for WIU. I feel like, other than losing by a FG at Montana State (in front of a loud and packed house) in our new HC's first game, we've pretty much beaten the teams we were "supposed" to beat and lost to the teams we were "supposed" to lose to. U of I...they suck but they're still Big 10. Illinois State and NDSU...both very good, although ILSU is losing a bit of their shine after the last couple of days. If we lose one of the last three (@SIU, @UDS, INSU), then I could see inconsistent. Otherwise, we've beaten all the mid-to-lower teams we've faced: Montana, YSU, MSU, UNI.

EDIT - I'm ok with being in the ORV category at this point. We need to go a nice run to finish out before anyone could consider us "above average", I think.

Honestly, I think that Western Illinois (assuming they beat the remaining teams they play and should beat) will be in and Northern Iowa and/or Illinois State will be out come playoff time. I hope I did not just put a hex on WIU.xdontknowx

[grizband]

I don't know about "inconsistent" for WIU. I feel like, other than losing by a FG at Montana State (in front of a loud and packed house) in our new HC's first game, we've pretty much beaten the teams we were "supposed" to beat and lost to the teams we were "supposed" to lose to. U of I...they suck but they're still Big 10. Illinois State and NDSU...both very good, although ILSU is losing a bit of their shine after the last couple of days. If we lose one of the last three (@SIU, @UDS, INSU), then I could see inconsistent. Otherwise, we've beaten all the mid-to-lower teams we've faced: Montana, YSU, MSU, UNI.

EDIT - I'm ok with being in the ORV category at this point. We need to go a nice run to finish out before anyone could consider us "above average", I think.Good points on WIU. Still frustrated at how montana lost that game, but its similar to the Portland State loss: every opportunity to win, but turnovers killed the team.

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[dbackjon]

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Towson Tigers
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Idaho State Bengals
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Colgate Raiders
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Western Illinois Leathernecks
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Stony Brook Seawolves

Just curious as to your thought process in ranking JSU #16, but not ranking SEMO at all?

[ST_Lawson]

Honestly, I think that Western Illinois (assuming they beat the remaining teams they play and should beat) will be in and Northern Iowa and/or Illinois State will be out come playoff time. I hope I did not just put a hex on WIU.xdontknowx

I think whoever wins between UNI/ILSU will make it in also...assuming they win out against YSU and INSU (for ILSU)/MSU (for UNI).
Redbirds would be at 8-3 (with one a NAIA win) or Panthers would be 7-4 with wins over Illinois State and South Dakota State.
If WIU wins out, we're probably in too.

In that case, probably MVFC teams in the playoffs are: NDSU, SDSU, WIU, and (UNI or ILSU...but not both...XOR if you're into logic gates).

[Preferred Walk-On]

I think whoever wins between UNI/ILSU will make it in also...assuming they win out against YSU and INSU (for ILSU)/MSU (for UNI).
Redbirds would be at 8-3 (with one a NAIA win) or Panthers would be 7-4 with wins over Illinois State and South Dakota State.
If WIU wins out, we're probably in too.

In that case, probably MVFC teams in the playoffs are: NDSU, SDSU, WIU, and (UNI or ILSU...but not both...XOR if you're into logic gates).

Agree with this.

But actually, I see a scenario where Northern Iowa beats Illinois State (greatly dampening the Redbirds' chances), then goes and gets beat by Missouri State (probably not Youngstown State). In other words, they "Farley the bed". xbeerchugx

[BisonTru]

My Poll
Diff
AGS


1
North Dakota St
-
North Dakota State Bison


2
James Madison
-
James Madison Dukes


3
UC Davis
-
UC Davis Aggies


4
Colgate
8
Kennesaw State Owls


5
South Dakota St
2
Weber State Wildcats


6
Delaware
4
Eastern Washington Eagles


7
Kennesaw St
-3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits


8
Eastern Washington
-2
Elon Phoenix


9
Elon
-1
Wofford Terriers


10
Weber St
-5
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens


11
Towson
-
Towson Tigers


12
Illinois St
2
Colgate Raiders


13
Princeton
2
Stony Brook Seawolves


14
Dartmouth
5
Illinois State Redbirds


15
Wofford
-6
Princeton Tigers


16
Idaho St
1
McNeese State Cowboys


17
Stony Brook
-4
Idaho State Bengals


18
Northern Iowa
6
Jacksonville State Gamecocks


19
Nicholls St
1
Dartmouth Big Green


20
Jacksonville St
-2
Nicholls State Colonels


21
North Dakota
-
North Dakota Fighting Hawks


22
Western Illinois
7
Maine Black Bears


23
SE Missouri St
4
Central Arkansas Bears


24
McNeese St
-8
Northern Iowa Panthers


25
Eastern Tenn St
-
East Tennessee State Buccaneers




I am still way above the consensus on Colgate. After this last beatdown they've done almost everything they could possibly do to their weak schedule. At this point the only reason I see to be keeping them down is that they have a weak schedule.

I am a little low on Weber St, but I don't think they have a solid argument to be above the teams I ranked above them.

Western Illinois and Northern Iowa I believe are among the best 25 teams in the country, but getting to 7 wins will take winning out and even getting to 6 wins will be tough to get done.

I've been low on Wofford for a while. I don't see them as seed worthy, but playoff worthy for sure. The rest of the Southern conference doesn't look all that good especially after Chatty struggled with VMI. ETSU was my last team in, and it would be a little surprising to only see that conference get one bid.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Just curious as to your thought process in ranking JSU #16, but not ranking SEMO at all?

I know you did not direct this at me, but I am kind of in the same boat as Schism55. I have Jacksonville State @ #17 this week, and Southeast Missouri State not ranked. This is what I posted last week...after SEMO beat JSU:


19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (8) - Jacksonville State still ranked?...Southeast Missouri State not? Saw a lot of discussion about this in last week's AGS Poll Results thread (not sure why there) after I submitted my poll. The general synopsis by AGS posters: Southeast Missouri State could/should be ranked and Jacksonville State should not (either option for SEMO, as long as JSU is not ranked). Well, I respectfully disagree. Not one, not two, but three common opponents thus far (Eastern Kentucky, Tennessee Tech, and Austin Peay). SEMO is 2-1 vs these three, whereas JSU is 3-0. Furthermore, JSU's victories over these opponents have been more convincing. I think I remember some discussion about teams occasionally being forgiven for having a bad game. Head-to-head is great, but I think we have graduated to the point in the season where the body of work also matters. So one rebuts with "JSU's body of work sucks" and they have not beaten anybody. Well, SEMO not only lost to EKU (JSU beat them 56-7), but they also beat Southern Illinois by only 4 points (while giving up 44 points to the Salukis). That was actually the deciding factor for me (SIU is just plain bad this year). Furthermore, if JSU reduces the 9 turnovers in their two losses, perhaps we are talking about an undefeated team (I know, "if ifs and buts were candies and nuts...")? This voter has no problem if people dropped JSU out, a slight problem if SEMO is ranked (given they did not even receive a single vote in last week's poll), and disagrees that SEMO jumps JSU...at least yet. Too bad SEMO does not play Kennesaw State to really prove something, and if JSU wins that matchup, will there be any AGS retractions...asking for a friend. ;)

The only difference this week is that Jacksonville State handled Murray State, who was prior to that, undefeated in the Ohio Valley Conference (and SEMO beat then 1-6 Tennessee-Martin). Now I know that is not saying much, and unlike SEMO (see quote above), Murray State actually got handled by Southern Illinois. One head-to-head does not a ranking make. Using that logic, Northern Arizona should have been ranked above Weber State after week 6, but do you honestly believe NAU is (or even was) better than Weber (don't answer that :))...on that particular one day out of 365, maybe? If SEMO wins out and takes care of business against common opponents the rest of the way, then they will undeniably need to be ranked with and/or above JSU. Now, I think there is enough flexibility that while a legitimate question, it does not really have any major implications...although it might at the end of the year?

[mvemjsunpx]

In retrospect, I should've put Jax State behind FAMU & NC A&T because of the H2H loss.


(last week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. James Madison (4)
3. Kennesaw St. (3)
4. UC Davis (5)
5. Delaware (14)
6. Weber St. (7)
7. Towson (2)
8. Eastern Washington (6)
9. South Dakota St. (13)
10. Idaho St. (8)
11. McNeese St. (NR)
12. Nicholls St. (NR)
13. Elon (15)
14. Princeton (16)
15. Colgate (17)
16. Dartmouth (18)
17. Wofford (19)
18. Illinois St. (11)
19. Stony Brook (10)
20. North Dakota (9)
21. East Tennessee St. (21)
22. Southeast Missouri St. (23)
23. Jacksonville St. (NR)
24. Florida A&M (24)
25. North Carolina A&T (25)

W - South Dakota St.
L - Northern Iowa


Dropped - Northern Iowa (12), Central Arkansas (20), Missouri St. (22)

[POD Knows]

My Poll
Diff
AGS


1
North Dakota St
-
North Dakota State Bison


2
James Madison
-
James Madison Dukes


3
UC Davis
-
UC Davis Aggies


4
Colgate
8
Kennesaw State Owls


5
South Dakota St
2
Weber State Wildcats


6
Delaware
4
Eastern Washington Eagles


7
Kennesaw St
-3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits


8
Eastern Washington
-2
Elon Phoenix


9
Elon
-1
Wofford Terriers


10
Weber St
-5
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens


11
Towson
-
Towson Tigers


12
Illinois St
2
Colgate Raiders


13
Princeton
2
Stony Brook Seawolves


14
Dartmouth
5
Illinois State Redbirds


15
Wofford
-6
Princeton Tigers


16
Idaho St
1
McNeese State Cowboys


17
Stony Brook
-4
Idaho State Bengals


18
Northern Iowa
6
Jacksonville State Gamecocks


19
Nicholls St
1
Dartmouth Big Green


20
Jacksonville St
-2
Nicholls State Colonels


21
North Dakota
-
North Dakota Fighting Hawks


22
Western Illinois
7
Maine Black Bears


23
SE Missouri St
4
Central Arkansas Bears


24
McNeese St
-8
Northern Iowa Panthers


25
Eastern Tenn St
-
East Tennessee State Buccaneers




I am still way above the consensus on Colgate. After this last beatdown they've done almost everything they could possibly do to their weak schedule. At this point the only reason I see to be keeping them down is that they have a weak schedule.

I am a little low on Weber St, but I don't think they have a solid argument to be above the teams I ranked above them.

Western Illinois and Northern Iowa I believe are among the best 25 teams in the country, but getting to 7 wins will take winning out and even getting to 6 wins will be tough to get done.

I've been low on Wofford for a while. I don't see them as seed worthy, but playoff worthy for sure. The rest of the Southern conference doesn't look all that good especially after Chatty struggled with VMI. ETSU was my last team in, and it would be a little surprising to only see that conference get one bid.The Weber State/UND game wasn't as close as the score indicated. I have Colgate pretty high as well, but lets face it, they are in the PL, how tough can it be.

[BisonTru]

Playoff look from the AGS poll:



AGS





1
North Dakota State Bison

MVFC Auto
*Sole conference leader


2
James Madison Dukes

CAA Auto
*Tied with Delaware, Towson, Maine, and Elon for conference lead


3
UC Davis Aggies

Big Sky Auto
*Sole conference leader


4
Kennesaw State Owls

Big South Auto
*Tied with Monmouth for conference lead


5
Weber State Wildcats

AL1



6
Eastern Washington Eagles

AL2



7
South Dakota State Jackrabbits

AL3



8
Elon Phoenix

AL4



9
Wofford Terriers

Southern Auto
*Tied with ETSU for conference lead


10
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

AL5



11
Towson Tigers

AL6



12
Colgate Raiders

Patriot Auto
*Sole confernce leader


13
Stony Brook Seawolves

AL7



14
Illinois State Redbirds

AL8



15
Princeton Tigers

No Playoffs



16
McNeese State Cowboys

Southland Auto
*Sole confernce leader


17
Idaho State Bengals

AL9



18
Jacksonville State Gamecocks

OVC Auto
*Tied with Murray St and SEMO for conference lead


19
Dartmouth Big Green

No Playoffs



20
Nicholls State Colonels

AL10



21
North Dakota Fighting Hawks

AL11



22
Maine Black Bears

AL12



23
Central Arkansas Bears

AL13



24
Northern Iowa Panthers

AL14



25
East Tennessee State Buccaneers

First Team out


















ORV:





26
North Carolina A&T Aggies
196




27T
Rhode Island Rams
190




27T
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
190




29
Western Illinois Leathernecks
171

[Preferred Walk-On]

Playoff look from the AGS poll:



AGS





1
North Dakota State Bison

MVFC Auto
*Sole conference leader


2
James Madison Dukes

CAA Auto
*Tied with Delaware, Towson, and Maine for confernce lead


3
UC Davis Aggies

Big Sky Auto
*Sole conference leader


4
Kennesaw State Owls

Big South Auto
*Tied with Monmouth for conference lead


5
Weber State Wildcats

AL1



6
Eastern Washington Eagles

AL2



7
South Dakota State Jackrabbits

AL3



8
Elon Phoenix

AL4



9
Wofford Terriers

Southern Auto
*Tied with ETSU for conference lead


10
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

AL5



11
Towson Tigers

AL6



12
Colgate Raiders

Patriot Auto
*Sole confernce leader


13
Stony Brook Seawolves

AL7



14
Illinois State Redbirds

AL8



15
Princeton Tigers

No Playoffs



16
McNeese State Cowboys

Southland Auto
*Sole confernce leader


17
Idaho State Bengals

AL9



18
Jacksonville State Gamecocks

OVC Auto
*Tied with Murray St and SEMO for conference lead


19
Dartmouth Big Green

No Playoffs



20
Nicholls State Colonels

AL10



21
North Dakota Fighting Hawks

AL11



22
Maine Black Bears

AL12



23
Central Arkansas Bears

AL13



24
Northern Iowa Panthers

AL14



25
East Tennessee State Buccaneers

First Team out


















ORV:





26
North Carolina A&T Aggies
196




27T
Rhode Island Rams
190




27T
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
190




29
Western Illinois Leathernecks
171






Really nice to see it this way, but a couple of questions:

1. Isn't Elon also tied for the CAA conference lead (if we are not factoring in tie-breakers, and who really has that auto-bid)?
2. Shouldn't SEMO be listed as the OVC Auto, as they would have the tie-breaker with JSU (and who would be the first team out then)?

Mostly just making sure I am understanding things correctly.

[BisonTru]

Really nice to see it this way, but a couple of questions:

1. Isn't Elon also tied for the CAA conference lead (if we are not factoring in tie-breakers, and who really has that auto-bid)?
2. Shouldn't SEMO be listed as the OVC Auto, as they would have the tie-breaker with JSU (and who would be the first team out then)?

Mostly just making sure I am understanding things correctly.

Youre right on Elon. They are 3-1. The rest are 4-1 so it thru me off, but technically they all have one loss.

I pretty much just gave the auto to the highest in the poll that at least had a share of the lead. If SEMO beats Murray St than SEMO I would assume gets it, but if MSU beats SEMO then I believe JSU would get it if they win out.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Youre right on Elon. They are 3-1. The rest are 4-1 so it thru me off, but technically they all have one loss.

Cannot wait to see what happens when this becomes a circular who beat who. xrulesx

[Thumper 76]

a few opinions

Dartmouth but no Princeton? I was a bit suprised to see the rise of the Ivies, but both pass the eye test, lots of talent on those 2 teams
Princeton beat Cornell by how many? if your #16 got to play Cornell again they would do better this time

I believe you are to high on the Southren Conf this year, they seem a tick down to me..... Chatty and Wofford to high

check out the final scores of the Delaware vs Elon and Delaware vs Towson games,..... what does a Hen have to do?

Maine over Rhode Island? Maine did beat them in Rhode Island, the Rams just not the same without Lawson who is a stud

I might be a tough high on the SoCon, we’ll see.

Elon and Towson both only have one FCS loss, but more importantly, didn’t get beat down like they were a DII team by another FCS school. I have a hard time shaking that loss from my head when thinking about UD. Those wins are what’s pulled UD as high in my poll as they are. I probably do have them underrated. They can keep proving me wrong I guess.

And beating Cornell by a bunch isn’t terribly impressive to me I guess. Much like I’m not impressed with Valley teams taking it to SIU or YSU this year. That’s not much of a measuring stick IMO. Princeton almost lost to a Harvard team that got beat by Holy Cross. I think Dartmouth is better. We’ll find out I guess.


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[dbackjon]

I know you did not direct this at me, but I am kind of in the same boat as Schism55. I have Jacksonville State @ #17 this week, and Southeast Missouri State not ranked. This is what I posted last week...after SEMO beat JSU:



The only difference this week is that Jacksonville State handled Murray State, who was prior to that, undefeated in the Ohio Valley Conference (and SEMO beat then 1-6 Tennessee-Martin). Now I know that is not saying much, and unlike SEMO (see quote above), Murray State actually got handled by Southern Illinois. One head-to-head does not a ranking make. Using that logic, Northern Arizona should have been ranked above Weber State after week 6, but do you honestly believe NAU is (or even was) better than Weber (don't answer that :))...on that particular one day out of 365, maybe? If SEMO wins out and takes care of business against common opponents the rest of the way, then they will undeniably need to be ranked with and/or above JSU. Now, I think there is enough flexibility that while a legitimate question, it does not really have any major implications...although it might at the end of the year?

No, NAU's body of work doesn't warrant a ranking. But if NAU had beaten UNC and Poly, a case could be made. But in the SEMO/JSU situation, you have two teams with the same record (6-2). SEMO has an FBS loss and a not so good loss to 4-4 EKU. JSU's losses are to NCAT and of course SEMO. And it was a 23 point victory for SEMO. So in this case, I can't see ranking JSU so high, and SEMO not at all.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I might be a tough high on the SoCon, we’ll see.

Elon and Towson both only have one FCS loss, but more importantly, didn’t get beat down like they were a DII team by another FCS school. I have a hard time shaking that loss from my head when thinking about UD. Those wins are what’s pulled UD as high in my poll as they are. I probably do have them underrated. They can keep proving me wrong I guess.

And beating Cornell by a bunch isn’t terribly impressive to me I guess. Much like I’m not impressed with Valley teams taking it to SIU or YSU this year. That’s not much of a measuring stick IMO. Princeton almost lost to a Harvard team that got beat by Holy Cross. I think Dartmouth is better. We’ll find out I guess.


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Harvard beat Holy Cross
Holy Cross's IL win came over Yale

[Thumper 76]

Harvard beat Holy Cross
Holy Cross's IL win came over Yale

Damn, that’s embarrassing.



That said, having that close of a game as they had to Harvard isn’t great....


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[MTfan4life]

A few reactionary thoughts:
Towson dropping six spots is the major crime in this week's poll. They lost on the road to a ranked team in a game where they were a last second dropped TD catch away from winning. They'll have all the chances in the world to move back up with Maine, Elon, and James Madison still on the schedule, though. Poor Central Arkansas does not want to be ranked. Sorry, UCA, you're going to have to do more than that to lose our respect! Rhode Island, on the other hand, falls out of the poll after getting back on the winning track. Otherwise, the poll looks pretty good.

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Towson Tigers
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Idaho State Bengals
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
14: Colgate Raiders
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Princeton Tigers
17: Dartmouth Big Green
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Rhode Island Rams
22: Nicholls State Colonels
23: South East Missouri State Redhawks
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks


25: Chattanooga Mocs

Something I have noticed is that all of my picks are either within 2 or they are 6 off or they are not rated.

-People are really penalizing Towson for a dropped TD to win the game
-Either SDSU is borderline T5 or they are not and AGS needs to choose. Not a fan of them at 6. Maybe they are not 13, but they sure as hell are not 6.
-I hate the Fighting Hawks but putting them at 21 is disrespect for how they have been playing.
-If JSU is 18 then how is SEMO 27? Either they are both in and close, SEMO is in and JSU is out, or neither of them in, but putting just JSU in, is bad.
-Who has ISUr beaten that they deserve #14 overall? 1 decent win against WIU and that is it. Their opponents collective records are that they beat (only D1): 11-23

[ST_Lawson]

Agree with this.
But actually, I see a scenario where Northern Iowa beats Illinois State (greatly dampening the Redbirds' chances), then goes and gets beat by Missouri State (probably not Youngstown State). In other words, they "Farley the bed". xbeerchugx

That's a possibility too. MSU beat Illinois State...they could do it again to UNI. If that happens and if WIU doesn't win out, then we might only see...2 MVFC teams? NDSU and SDSU?
Been a while since that's happened.

[World]

I had to put Delaware slightly ahead of Elon & Towson. The schedule fell pretty perfectly for them, getting Elon (in a classic letdown spot) and Towson at home. They avoid JMU altogether. At least they play Stony Brook on the road.

I've got Colgate and the Ivy 2 higher than the consensus (but not computer-high; that's just nuts). I've watched a bit and it is good football, regardless of who they're playing.

makes sense

[World]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Colgate Raiders
12: Princeton Tigers
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Towson Tigers
15: Dartmouth Big Green
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Central Arkansas Bears

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League


Excellent poll

thanks

[World]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2018 5:56:27

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Colgate Raiders
11: Towson Tigers
12: Idaho State Bengals
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Maine Black Bears
25: Dartmouth Big Green

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference




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Oh my

so you have Colgate at #10, Delaware at #16 and Dartmouth at #25, but Princeton not even in the top 25?

[cx500d]

Oh my

so you have Colgate at #10, Delaware at #16 and Dartmouth at #25, but Princeton not even in the top 25?
I’m sorry if I haven’t been paying attention; what relevant team has Princeton beaten?

[World]

I might be a tough high on the SoCon, we’ll see.

Elon and Towson both only have one FCS loss, but more importantly, didn’t get beat down like they were a DII team by another FCS school. I have a hard time shaking that loss from my head when thinking about UD. Those wins are what’s pulled UD as high in my poll as they are. I probably do have them underrated. They can keep proving me wrong I guess.

And beating Cornell by a bunch isn’t terribly impressive to me I guess. Much like I’m not impressed with Valley teams taking it to SIU or YSU this year. That’s not much of a measuring stick IMO. Princeton almost lost to a Harvard team that got beat by Holy Cross. I think Dartmouth is better. We’ll find out I guess.


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Sounds reasonable,

but if beating Cornell by a bunch isn't terribly impressive, then beating Cornell by a little would be far less impressive, no?


Delaware - 27
Cornell - 10

Colgate - 31
Cornell - 0

Princeton - 66
Cornell - 0

[World]

I might be a tough high on the SoCon, we’ll see.

Elon and Towson both only have one FCS loss, but more importantly, didn’t get beat down like they were a DII team by another FCS school. I have a hard time shaking that loss from my head when thinking about UD. Those wins are what’s pulled UD as high in my poll as they are. I probably do have them underrated. They can keep proving me wrong I guess.

And beating Cornell by a bunch isn’t terribly impressive to me I guess. Much like I’m not impressed with Valley teams taking it to SIU or YSU this year. That’s not much of a measuring stick IMO. Princeton almost lost to a Harvard team that got beat by Holy Cross. I think Dartmouth is better. We’ll find out I guess.


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Princeton didn't almost lose to Harvard

Princeton was ahead 29-14 when Harvard scored a TD with 48 seconds left in the game

[caribbeanhen]

I might be a tough high on the SoCon, we’ll see.

Elon and Towson both only have one FCS loss, but more importantly, didn’t get beat down like they were a DII team by another FCS school. I have a hard time shaking that loss from my head when thinking about UD. Those wins are what’s pulled UD as high in my poll as they are. I probably do have them underrated. They can keep proving me wrong I guess.

And beating Cornell by a bunch isn’t terribly impressive to me I guess. Much like I’m not impressed with Valley teams taking it to SIU or YSU this year. That’s not much of a measuring stick IMO. Princeton almost lost to a Harvard team that got beat by Holy Cross. I think Dartmouth is better. We’ll find out I guess.


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Rocco called North Dakota State an outlier...... looks like Delaware used that bye week after that Bison game to get the rest of the season on track, I bet the same kind of beat down would happen no matter what team goes into Fargo really, especially a team with no prior history of going in there

I remember the most excellant response you gave before the season on what it takes to beat N Dak State so that is why I quoted your poll because honestlty you are capable of much better, you emailed this one in .... pun intended

[cx500d]

Rocco called North Dakota State an outlier...... looks like Delaware used that bye week after that Bison game to get the rest of the season on track, I bet the same kind of beat down would happen no matter what team goes into Fargo really, especially at team with no prior history of going in there

I remember the most excellant response you gave before the season on what it takes to beat N Dak State so that is why I quoted your poll because honestlty you are capable of much better, you emailed this on in .... pun intended

Sometimes you need a beat down as a kick in the pants. It’s how you finish the season, not how you start it. Unfortunately you will finish it with a loss to Villanova just like you always do.

[World]

Sometimes you need a beat down as a kick in the pants. It’s how you finish the season, not how you start it. Unfortunately you will finish it with a loss to Villanova just like you always do.

So you think that Delaware is going to lose to Villanova?

Any thoughts on your North Dakota State team?

They look almost unbeatable

Any potential losses in the MVFC games that remain for NDSU?

[Reign of Terrier]

One day I'm going to take a deep dive WRT why NDSU makes people play so bad in Fargo. It's a combination of forcing mistakes, the crowd noise, and something just clicking.

I think NDSU is more talented than most teams in the FCS, but it's hard to say by how much. As it's already been pointed out in other threads, most all conference and all American teams are staffed by upperclassmen. I'm not sure if NDSU regularly breaks that mold, but if they don't a "they're just better" from a talent perspective hypothesis may be a little less valid.

I think it's possible Delaware just didn't have their **** together (see the loss the week before to Rhode Island) AND the dome made it worse. But it's impossible to say yet.

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[caribbeanhen]

Sometimes you need a beat down as a kick in the pants. It’s how you finish the season, not how you start it. Unfortunately you will finish it with a loss to Villanova just like you always do.

Nah, after showing early promise, Nova is just not a good football team right now, even their fan GT will admit that xpeacex

[caribbeanhen]

One day I'm going to take a deep dive WRT why NDSU makes people play so bad in Fargo. It's a combination of forcing mistakes, the crowd noise, and something just clicking.

I think NDSU is more talented than most teams in the FCS, but it's hard to say by how much. As it's already been pointed out in other threads, most all conference and all American teams are staffed by upperclassmen. I'm not sure if NDSU regularly breaks that mold, but if they don't a "they're just better" from a talent perspective hypothesis may be a little less valid.

I think it's possible Delaware just didn't have their **** together (see the loss the week before to Rhode Island) AND the dome made it worse. But it's impossible to say yet.

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North Dakota State is a top 25 FBS team, boredom is spreading in Fargo due to the beat downs, even the ancient Romans got tired of all the bloodshed eventually

[Preferred Walk-On]

No, NAU's body of work doesn't warrant a ranking. But if NAU had beaten UNC and Poly, a case could be made. But in the SEMO/JSU situation, you have two teams with the same record (6-2). SEMO has an FBS loss and a not so good loss to 4-4 EKU. JSU's losses are to NCAT and of course SEMO. And it was a 23 point victory for SEMO. So in this case, I can't see ranking JSU so high, and SEMO not at all.

Sorry, you may have misunderstood me. I was asking if Northern Arizona should have been ranked ABOVE Weber State AFTER their week 6 head-to-head. And would this have really indicated that NAU was better than Weber State (other than on that particular day)? Went back to the week 6 poll, and:


Weber is a good team, and it was a good win. That having been said, I didn't put NAU in my top 25. Maybe if they can win two in a row I'll look at them next week.

Furthermore, your poll had Weber State at #12 (and of course, Northern Arizona nowhere to be found). By the way, at that point, Weber State was 3-2 and Northern Arizona was 3-3 AND Northern Arizona had the FBS win AND neither had beaten anyone of significance. Just wondering how this is that different from JSU (equating to Weber State at that time) and SEMO (equating to Northern Arizona at that time).

Therefore, by the Weber State/Northern Arizona comparison above, I cannot see why JSU at #17 (or even #16) is too high. Also, as you pointed out (correctly), JSU did lose to North Carolina A&T (first game of year, many turnovers, many penalties, 4 point loss, yada, yada, yada). However, as of last week, North Carolina A&T was ranked #25 by AGS. You don't have to agree with that ranking, but you have to acknowledge that Southeast Missouri State hasn't even had the opportunity to lose to anyone worth a s**t (i.e., AGS-ranked) prior to Jacksonville State (and you likely wouldn't even consider them worth a s**t, based on your posts), yet SEMO did lose to one of these opponents (Eastern Kentucky). Therefore, being even remotely worked up about SEMO not being ranked above JSU just seems a bit trivial here or last week (and this is not necessarily specific for dbackjon either).

Quick question: If JSU wins out (including beating Kennesaw State) and SEMO wins out, does JSU deserve a higher ranking than SEMO (after all, they lost by 23 to SEMO), AND if so, should JSU get an at-large (as the OVC auto-bid would go to SEMO)?

[cx500d]

So you think that Delaware is going to lose to Villanova?

Any thoughts on your North Dakota State team?

They look almost unbeatable

Any potential losses in the MVFC games that remain for NDSU?

history says Delaware will lose to Villanova. That said, I’m mostly busting caribhens balls. After watching them in person sitting right behind the Delaware bench, I thought they were absolute garbage at the time and a complete letdown to my expectation for a competitive game. The Reeders couldn’t read **** in that game. However, they seem to have righted the season and for that they are to be congratulated. It would be awesome if they won out.

as far as losses in the future for ndsu? I’m always pessimistic every game because our secondary can get shredded under the right conditions and our receiving corps is mostly pedestrian in quality. If we get in a shootout with another team we are at a serious disadvantage. Any of the last three games could be trap games. History says we will not remain unbeaten, but if we are going to have a letdown I’d rather get it over with before the playoffs...

[Preferred Walk-On]

Any thoughts on your North Dakota State team?

They look almost unbeatable

Any potential losses in the MVFC games that remain for NDSU?

NDSU should take care of business. However, I worry a bit, because with the exception of South Dakota State (earlier in the year) and Northern Iowa through three quarters, they have not really had to find a way to win a tight game. I honestly think that this type of experience can be helpful (dare I say crucial) come playoffs.

[Preferred Walk-On]

A few reactionary thoughts:
Towson dropping six spots is the major crime in this week's poll. They lost on the road to a ranked team in a game where they were a last second dropped TD catch away from winning.

Not sure it is the major crime (see Idaho State comments in this thread and others). Delaware was ranked #16, so perhaps the major crime is that they did not become #5 (if Towson is truly that and a box of chocolates).


They'll have all the chances in the world to move back up with Maine, Elon, and James Madison still on the schedule, though. Poor Central Arkansas does not want to be ranked. Sorry, UCA, you're going to have to do more than that to lose our respect! Rhode Island, on the other hand, falls out of the poll after getting back on the winning track. Otherwise, the poll looks pretty good.

Perhaps this is why Towson was a precarious #5 (they had not played the meat of the conference yet). I assure you that if Towson wins these games, the Towson-bobos will likely not have to worry about them being ranked high enough.

[KPSUL]

I don't mind it if UNI is a little bit ahead of us right now, since they beat SDSU, but our best win is them (UNI). 5 "spots" apart seems a bit much though.

With the same Conference and Overall records and a win two days ago in head to head play, you should be ranked higher, IF you believe any 4 - 4 team deserves to be ranked.

[semobison]

With the same Conference and Overall records and a win two days ago in head to head play, you should be ranked higher, IF you believe any 4 - 4 team deserves to be ranked.

WIU is always under valued in the polls and UNI has a tendency to be ranked higher than they should be.

[Derby City Duke]

Youre right on Elon. They are 3-1. The rest are 4-1 so it thru me off, but technically they all have one loss.

I pretty much just gave the auto to the highest in the poll that at least had a share of the lead. If SEMO beats Murray St than SEMO I would assume gets it, but if MSU beats SEMO then I believe JSU would get it if they win out.

If JMU, UDel, and Elon all finish with 1 loss, UDel will get the autobid. The best Elon can finish in the CAA is 6-1 (their game with William & Mary was cancelled due to Hurricane Florence). The only common opponent between JMU and UDel with an uncommon result will be Elon (JMU - L, UDel - W).

Even with just 1 loss, Elon will have a lower winning % than either JMU or UDel, and that's part of the CAA's process.

[MacThor]

If JMU, UDel, and Elon all finish with 1 loss, UDel will get the autobid. The best Elon can finish in the CAA is 6-1 (their game with William & Mary was cancelled due to Hurricane Florence). The only common opponent between JMU and UDel with an uncommon result will be Elon (JMU - L, UDel - W).

Even with just 1 loss, Elon will have a lower winning % than either JMU or UDel, and that's part of the CAA's process.

If JMU finishes with 1 loss, they'll beat Rhode Island, so they will have that uncommon result as well. In your scenario, Elon would finish ahead of URI, so Delaware would still get the AQ. But if URI finishes ahead of Elon, JMU would get the AQ.
(JMU should be rooting for URI this weekend) It's a weird side-effect of the CAA's tiebreaker that you want to fade the team that beat you.

[BisonBacker]

North Dakota State is a top 25 FBS team, boredom is spreading in Fargo due to the beat downs, even the ancient Romans got tired of all the bloodshed eventually

lol This is true xlolx

[JSUSoutherner]

Youre right on Elon. They are 3-1. The rest are 4-1 so it thru me off, but technically they all have one loss.

I pretty much just gave the auto to the highest in the poll that at least had a share of the lead. If SEMO beats Murray St than SEMO I would assume gets it, but if MSU beats SEMO then I believe JSU would get it if they win out.

If SEMO wins out they are the auto. If anyone beat SEMO and we win out we get the auto.

If we drop anothed OVC game and Murray wins out Murray will get the Auto.

Everyone else in the OVC is done.

[POD Knows]

So you think that Delaware is going to lose to Villanova?

Any thoughts on your North Dakota State team?

They look almost unbeatable

Any potential losses in the MVFC games that remain for NDSU?If you want to beat the Bison, watch the JMU playoff game, they had really good, really physical corners and were playing most of the game one on one on our wide outs. They were able to put 8 or 9 guys in the box and we didn't have an answer. You also can't be one dimensional on offense, we will roll run only teams like Wofford, KSU and the like. Mobile QB's on teams with a good running back and a good vertical passing game can hurt NDSU. The only team I see with that right now is Cal Davis and SDSU but I think they are missing the ingredients that James Madison had on defense in 2016.

[Derby City Duke]

If JMU finishes with 1 loss, they'll beat Rhode Island, so they will have that uncommon result as well. In your scenario, Elon would finish ahead of URI, so Delaware would still get the AQ. But if URI finishes ahead of Elon, JMU would get the AQ.
(JMU should be rooting for URI this weekend) It's a weird side-effect of the CAA's tiebreaker that you want to fade the team that beat you.

You're right; I missed the URI part of the puzzle -- it's why l really dislike huge conferences. 9 teams seems to be the best size to me. Everybody plays their 8 conference games and nobody dodges the heavyweights for several years while some play the heavyweights EVERY year based on the CAA's geography and 'permanent partners' philosophy.

[Bisonator]

If you want to beat the Bison, watch the JMU playoff game, they had really good, really physical corners and were playing most of the game one on one on our wide outs. They were able to put 8 or 9 guys in the box and we didn't have an answer. You also can't be one dimensional on offense, we will roll run only teams like Wofford, KSU and the like. Mobile QB's on teams with a good running back and a good vertical passing game can hurt NDSU. The only team I see with that right now is Cal Davis and SDSU but I think they are missing the ingredients that James Madison had on defense in 2016.
This is a pretty good summation. Would be interesting to see UC-Davis in the PO's, their passing game could give us fits but not sure how well they would match up on the LOS.

[POD Knows]

This is a pretty good summation. Would be interesting to see UC-Davis in the PO's, their passing game could give us fits but not sure how well they would match up on the LOS.We need Davis to win out and get the 2 or 3 seed. It would be good to see them in Frisco, of course assuming we win out and get the 1 seed.

[MacThor]

You're right; I missed the URI part of the puzzle -- it's why l really dislike huge conferences. 9 teams seems to be the best size to me. Everybody plays their 8 conference games and nobody dodges the heavyweights for several years while some play the heavyweights EVERY year based on the CAA's geography and 'permanent partners' philosophy.

I wouldn't mind going back to divisions in the CAA - you knew the 5 schools you'd play every year, plus the rotation of the other division opponents made sense. With Elon in the conference, they'd just have to decide which of the "Original CAA South" teams to kick up north (Delaware/Villanova/Towson).

[World]

If you want to beat the Bison, watch the JMU playoff game, they had really good, really physical corners and were playing most of the game one on one on our wide outs. They were able to put 8 or 9 guys in the box and we didn't have an answer. You also can't be one dimensional on offense, we will roll run only teams like Wofford, KSU and the like. Mobile QB's on teams with a good running back and a good vertical passing game can hurt NDSU. The only team I see with that right now is Cal Davis and SDSU but I think they are missing the ingredients that James Madison had on defense in 2016.

excellent comments

interesting that you just defined the Princeton offense

Not sure that their defense has what you mentioned needs to battle NDSU successfully, however

[POD Knows]

excellent comments

interesting that you just defined the Princeton offense

Not sure that their defense has what you mentioned needs to battle NDSU successfully, howeverI would love to have a H and H with Princeton. Pull some strings, we need some east coast games to mix things up a little, it is getting stale over here. Looking forward to the game at Newark, DE next year.

Might try and catch the Dartmouth/Princeton game on the tube this weekend. I have only seen some clips of both, not a full game yet. Your game is at noon so I will have to watch the replay, got season tickets to the Bison and need to go watch YSU thrash us #BOOKIT

[JSUSoutherner]

excellent comments

interesting that you just defined the Princeton offense

Not sure that their defense has what you mentioned needs to battle NDSU successfully, however

NDSU would roll Princeton.

[MR. CHICKEN]

NDSU would roll Princeton.

.........DEY ROLL EVERAH-ONE....OUTSIDE DUH MVFC..........YOUSE BEEN DEY'RE.......AN' OUGHTAH KNOW...AWK!AWK!

[SochorField]

If you want to beat the Bison, watch the JMU playoff game, they had really good, really physical corners and were playing most of the game one on one on our wide outs. They were able to put 8 or 9 guys in the box and we didn't have an answer. You also can't be one dimensional on offense, we will roll run only teams like Wofford, KSU and the like. Mobile QB's on teams with a good running back and a good vertical passing game can hurt NDSU. The only team I see with that right now is Cal Davis and SDSU but I think they are missing the ingredients that James Madison had on defense in 2016.

Jake Maier 'aint a running quarterback.
Davis doesn't have the star power on Defense. One reason may be Dan Hawkins has repeatedly said he plays A LOT of guys on defense. Everyone contributes- which also means everyone is good enough to contribute. Because of this, the defense is always fresh. This is a huge deal late in the season. DB and S play is world's better than in recent years. (a ton of guys play on offense too)

JMU and SDSU have one thing Davis doesn't have: playoff experience. Davis could hardly get off a snap without a penalty in the 1st quarter at Montana. But it looks like they got over it real quick.

[POD Knows]

Jake Maier 'aint a running quarterback.
Davis doesn't have the star power on Defense. One reason may be Dan Hawkins has repeatedly said he plays A LOT of guys on defense. Everyone contributes- which also means everyone is good enough to contribute. Because of this, the defense is always fresh. This is a huge deal late in the season. DB and S play is world's better than in recent years. (a ton of guys play on offense too)

JMU and SDSU have one thing Davis doesn't have: playoff experience. Davis could hardly get off a snap without a penalty in the 1st quarter at Montana. But it looks like they got over it real quick.Didnt say running QB. I said mobile and he appears to be pretty mobile.

[JSUSoutherner]

.........DEY ROLL EVERAH-ONE....OUTSIDE DUH MVFC..........YOUSE BEEN DEY'RE.......AN' OUGHTAH KNOW...AWK!AWK!
There's maybe 3 or 4 teams in the FCS that wouldn't get rolled by them. Princeton ain't one.

[MR. CHICKEN]

There's maybe 3 or 4 teams in the FCS that wouldn't get rolled by them. Princeton ain't one.

......DON'T DISPUTE.......POINT WAS......IVY OR NOT.......MOST TEAMS...GET ROLLED....BY 'EM.........BET PRINCETON.....COOD...KNOCK...DUH COCKY....OUTTAH COCKY.....AWK!

[caribbeanhen]

......DON'T DISPUTE.......POINT WAS......IVY OR NOT.......MOST TEAMS...GET ROLLED....BY 'EM.........BET PRINCETON.....COOD...KNOCK...DUH COCKY....OUTTAH COCKY.....AWK!

Dartmouth as well

[Daytripper]

.........DEY ROLL EVERAH-ONE....OUTSIDE DUH MVFC..........YOUSE BEEN DEY'RE.......AN' OUGHTAH KNOW...AWK!AWK!

The only fans that think their team won't get rolled by the Bison are fans whose team hasn't played the Bison in the last 7-8 years..

[Reign of Terrier]

Whoops this is an unpopular and unsubstantiated opinion but I think if Wofford doesn't turn the ball over and plays defense live we have this year, we don't get rolled by NDSU.

Granted, I don't think we'll win, but I think we beat the spread. Which is a win!

[ksu_owls]

Whoops this is an unpopular and unsubstantiated opinion but I think if Wofford doesn't turn the ball over and plays defense live we have this year, we don't get rolled by NDSU.

Granted, I don't think we'll win, but I think we beat the spread. Which is a win!

I'm pretty new to FCS compared to everyone else here, but I want to play NDSU just to say we've done it. That's pretty much the only FCS team that any of my friends know about and they ask if we've played them yet lol. I would consider it a win to walk out of there with no injuries and maybe like a TD or something. Beating the spread would be a huge accomplishment!

[smallcollegefbfan]

excellent comments

interesting that you just defined the Princeton offense

Not sure that their defense has what you mentioned needs to battle NDSU successfully, however

It is hard to think Princeton could because the teams they are rolling would be bottom 2 or even lose to those bottom teams in the MVFC. For example, Lovett is a good athlete but he is in no way a QB nor could he be one at the next level.

I was talking with a colleague the other day and we compared the Ivy League to high school football because there are so few top athletes in the league and you can put a guy like Lovett or any good athlete at QB and win. If he has a functional arm for FCS then that team will win 8-10 games just off of that because the defenses in the Ivy are slow and stiff for the most part. I think it would be very different for Princeton if say another league team had a DL full of Caraun Reid and Mike Catapano types.

Princeton is going to dominant the Ivy League because their QB can run very well for the league, he has enough arm strength, you got those 2 stud receivers and a big, fast running back. If your line can just block for 2 seconds then you should at least put up 25-30 points a game in the Ivy League. Your stars are marginal for the NFL or just camp bodies and probably not FBS stars but they are legit FCS AA caliber players. Princeton should consider it a win if they could hold NDSU under 40 points and loss by less than 21. You know how you feel like Lovett is a good player? He is but he is nowhere close to Easton Stick.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I'm pretty new to FCS compared to everyone else here, but I want to play NDSU just to say we've done it. That's pretty much the only FCS team that any of my friends know about and they ask if we've played them yet lol. I would consider it a win to walk out of there with no injuries and maybe like a TD or something. Beating the spread would be a huge accomplishment!

Be careful what you ask for LOL. It would be interesting because I think you have one of the top 5 coaches in FCS but I'm not sure it would be closer than 20 points. Right now NDSU has a future NFL QB and a ton of talent. I mean Shepherd, Dunn, Anderson and that OL along with Stick make for a hard train to stop.

[World]

I would love to have a H and H with Princeton. Pull some strings, we need some east coast games to mix things up a little, it is getting stale over here. Looking forward to the game at Newark, DE next year.

Might try and catch the Dartmouth/Princeton game on the tube this weekend. I have only seen some clips of both, not a full game yet. Your game is at noon so I will have to watch the replay, got season tickets to the Bison and need to go watch YSU thrash us #BOOKIT


the Princeton/Dartmouth game is at 1:00 pm EST

[World]

this is interesting and from a STATS FCS senior editor. Thoughts?

https://twitter.com/CraigHaley/status/1057290437701066757


Quick shot at FCS selection committee rankings for tomorrow night (it will be hard to nail it):

1. NDSU (confident here!)
2. James Madison
3. UC Davis
4. Weber St.
5. Kennesaw St.
6. SDSU
7. Delaware
8. Elon
9. Colgate
10. Eastern

WashingtonIt would leave out Towson & Wofford.

[smallcollegefbfan]

this is interesting and from a STATS FCS senior editor. Thoughts?

https://twitter.com/CraigHaley/status/1057290437701066757


Quick shot at FCS selection committee rankings for tomorrow night (it will be hard to nail it):

1. NDSU (confident here!)
2. James Madison
3. UC Davis
4. Weber St.
5. Kennesaw St.
6. SDSU
7. Delaware
8. Elon
9. Colgate
10. Eastern

WashingtonIt would leave out Towson & Wofford.

If UC Davis wins out I would put them at #2 and if KSU wins out they would be 3 or 4 but I would put Wofford, UD, or Towson in top 4 if any of them win out and KSU is not very impressive in any games left.

[Reign of Terrier]

Wofford will be left out of the initial ranking but will get a seed if we win out. Book it.

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[smallcollegefbfan]

Wofford will be left out of the initial ranking but will get a seed if we win out. Book it.

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I agree. If Wofford wins out they will get a seed.

[World]

Is Defense important?

Meanwhile the four FCS undefeated teams are in the top 6 for fewest points allowed per game:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/28

[MTfan4life]

Is Defense important?

Meanwhile the four FCS undefeated teams are in the top 6 for fewest points allowed per game:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/28

Schedule also matters.

For example, Colgate's defense is putting up nasty numbers. However, they have only faced one team averaging more than 20 points per game. That's Holy Cross with 22. In fact, all but two of the teams Colgate has played has been shut out by someone other than Colgate. The two that haven't are Bucknell and New Hampshire, but they've both been held to single digits by other teams as well. So, they have great numbers, but they're playing terrible offenses.

[centennial]

Be careful what you ask for LOL. It would be interesting because I think you have one of the top 5 coaches in FCS but I'm not sure it would be closer than 20 points. Right now NDSU has a future NFL QB and a ton of talent. I mean Shepherd, Dunn, Anderson and that OL along with Stick make for a hard train to stop.

What round grade do you have on Stick? 5th?

[Professor Chaos]

Schedule also matters.

For example, Colgate's defense is putting up nasty numbers. However, they have only faced one team averaging more than 20 points per game. That's Holy Cross with 22. In fact, all but two of the teams Colgate has played has been shut out by someone other than Colgate. The two that haven't are Bucknell and New Hampshire, but they've both been held to single digits by other teams as well. So, they have great numbers, but they're playing terrible offenses.
The Patriot League as a whole is utterly inept offensively. Colgate is the only Patriot League team ranked in the top 100 in the FCS (out of 124 teams) in total offense or scoring offense and they're not that high either.

EDIT: Sorry, I was going off last week's numbers. Bucknell has creeped into the top 100 in both total offense and scoring offense (they're actually slightly higher in total offense at 92nd than Colgate is now).

[TheKingpin28]

What round grade do you have on Stick? 5th?I wouldn't be surprised if he was referring to Trey with the future NFL qb thing.

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[UpstateBison]

Whoops this is an unpopular and unsubstantiated opinion but I think if Wofford doesn't turn the ball over and plays defense live we have this year, we don't get rolled by NDSU.

Granted, I don't think we'll win, but I think we beat the spread. Which is a win!

Where can I get a pair of those black and gold colored glasses?


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[Derby City Duke]

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/29/2018 7:15:41

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Towson Tigers
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Colgate Raiders
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Princeton Tigers
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Idaho State Bengals
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Dartmouth Big Green
24: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25: Florida A&M Rattlers

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers

[Reign of Terrier]

Where can I get a pair of those black and gold colored glasses?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's a pretty low bar for homerism.

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