AGS Poll Results - WEEK 7 POLL - 2018 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

10/15/2018


Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2275
91
1


2
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2128

4


3
James Madison Dukes
2063

5


4
Kennesaw State Owls
1942

6


5
UC Davis Aggies
1796

8


6
Illinois State Redbirds
1675

10


7
Eastern Washington Eagles
1614

2


8
Towson Tigers
1546

12


9
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1534

9


10
Weber State Wildcats
1510

15


11
McNeese State Cowboys
1404

11


12
Elon Phoenix
1372

3


13
Maine Black Bears
1119

17


14
Wofford Terriers
975

7


15T
Colgate Raiders
874

18


15T
Stony Brook Seawolves
874

19


17
Rhode Island Rams
665

14


18
Central Arkansas Bears
575

21


19
Princeton Tigers
487

22


20
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
423

26


21
Idaho State Bengals
393

24


22
Sam Houston State Bearkats
377

25


23
Northern Iowa Panthers
342

27


24T
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
276

34


24T
Nicholls State Colonels
276

13

















ORV:





26
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
261

36


27
Dartmouth Big Green
200

29


28
North Carolina A&T Aggies
145

16


29
Missouri State Bears
138

31


30
Montana State Bobcats
133

30


31
Chattanooga Mocs
106

32


32
South Dakota Coyotes
38

20


33T
Florida A&M Rattlers
10

NR


33T
Furman Paladins
10

NR


35
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
9

37


36
Montana Grizzlies
6

23


37
Western Illinois Leathernecks
4

33































Most Significant Win:

Weber State Wildcats




Most Significant Loss:

Wofford Terriers

























Fell Out Of Poll:





40
Incarnate Word Cardinals





39
Sac State Hornets





35
Tennessee State Tigers





28
Villanova Wildcats





38
Western Carolina Catamounts

[Professor Chaos]

Here's the FCS Wedge blog for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results/

A few thoughts:

Elon was really punished harshly losing 600 points and 9 spots in comparison to EWU (400 points and 5 spots). This seems odd to me since Elon has a signature win that blows away anything EWU has to this point.
Dartmouth is really underrated. I'm not sure why Princeton seems to be getting so much more love.
Speaking of underrated what about Idaho St? Took the consensus #5 team to OT which is their only FCS loss and have quality wins over UND and Northern Arizona. They should be higher than #21.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's my crack at it this week. Just posting to point out that I'm apparently now an Ivy League apologist. I feel like I need to go watch some Trailer Park Boys or something to me back in the right frame of mind...


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Towson Tigers
5: Elon Phoenix
6: Kennessaw State Owls
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Colgate Raiders
15: Idaho State Bengals
16: Dartmouth Big Green
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Wofford Terriers
24: Missouri State Bears
25: East Tennessee State Buccaneers


EDIT: And apparently I'm also a Southland hater since only have 2 SLC teams ranked and consensus has 4.

[Bisonator]

Some might be taking into account Elon's significant injuries. Right or wrong.

[World]

Here's the FCS Wedge blog for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results/

A few thoughts:

Elon was really punished harshly losing 600 points and 9 spots in comparison to EWU (400 points and 5 spots). This seems odd to me since Elon has a signature win that blows away anything EWU has to this point.
Dartmouth is really underrated. I'm not sure why Princeton seems to be getting so much more love.
Speaking of underrated what about Idaho St? Took the consensus #5 team to OT which is their only FCS loss and have quality wins over UND and Northern Arizona. They should be higher than #21.



Agree, Dartmouth continues to be underrated.
Princeton is getting so much more love because they are simply good, scary good and somehow the Princeton team seems to be a hot topic of conversation on the boards - I wonder why?

[Professor Chaos]

Agree, Dartmouth continues to be underrated.
Princeton is getting so much more love because they are simply good, scary good and somehow the Princeton team seems to be a hot topic of conversation on the boards - I wonder why?
I agree that Princeton is good. I had them at #19 which is where the consensus has them but I think Dartmouth has shown more to this point so I'm not sure why they're ranked 8 spots lower with 40% the points that Princeton has.

And you know why Princeton is such a hot topic of conversation.

[dbackjon]

Hello dbackjon,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/14/2018 11:04:53

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: UC Davis Aggies
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: Towson Tigers
12: Colgate Raiders
13: Elon Phoenix
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Idaho State Bengals
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
18: Wofford Terriers
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Missouri State Bears
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Montana State Bobcats

dbackjon

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[Professor Chaos]

Some might be taking into account Elon's significant injuries. Right or wrong.
Maybe, I don't like it though if that's the case. Speculating on injuries just adds another variable to an already complicated formula when it comes to poll voting. If there's solid information out there so be it and feel free to factor it in but to this point I don't think there's any confirmation yet that their QB or stud RB are going to be out for a significant time.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Here's the FCS Wedge blog for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results/

A few thoughts:

Elon was really punished harshly losing 600 points and 9 spots in comparison to EWU (400 points and 5 spots). This seems odd to me since Elon has a signature win that blows away anything EWU has to this point.
Dartmouth is really underrated. I'm not sure why Princeton seems to be getting so much more love.
Speaking of underrated what about Idaho St? Took the consensus #5 team to OT which is their only FCS loss and have quality wins over UND and Northern Arizona. They should be higher than #21.



Agree on all of that. I was similarly sort of scratching my head over people dropping Elon so far but it might have something to do with a lot of folks being less sure last week in their moving up of them and with a loss thought to themselves they may have overrated them a bit. But I think your point is solid in regards to their resume vs. others right now. Also might have something to do with some player losses suffered recently as well.

I truly think Idaho State is gonna make some real noise come the end of the season. Rob Phenicie has given that team a swagger that is greater than what even the Big Human brought to them.

[Daytripper]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Towson Tigers
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Colgate Raiders
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Wofford Terriers
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Princeton Tigers
22: Idaho State Bengals
23: Dartmouth Big Green
24: Nicholls State Colonels
25: East Tennessee State Buccaneers

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
The Most Significant Loss: Wofford Terriers

[RootinFerDukes]

This poll is nearly perfect IMO. The only thing I can complain about is how we continue to overrate KSU. #4? Really? Who've they beaten? I think they're in the 7-11 range.

[dbackjon]

Weber behind EWU?

[Daytripper]

10/15/2018


Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2275
91
1


2
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2128

4


3
James Madison Dukes
2063

5


4
Kennesaw State Owls
1942

6


5
UC Davis Aggies
1796

8


6
Illinois State Redbirds
1675

10


7
Eastern Washington Eagles
1614

2


8
Towson Tigers
1546

12


9
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1534

9


10
Weber State Wildcats
1510

15


11
McNeese State Cowboys
1404

11


12
Elon Phoenix
1372

3


13
Maine Black Bears
1119

17


14
Wofford Terriers
975

7


15T
Colgate Raiders
874

18


15T
Stony Brook Seawolves
874

19


17
Rhode Island Rams
665

14


18
Central Arkansas Bears
575

21


19
Princeton Tigers
487

22


20
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
423

26


21
Idaho State Bengals
393

24


22
Sam Houston State Bearkats
377

25


23
Northern Iowa Panthers
342

27


24T
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
276

34


24T
Nicholls State Colonels
276

13

















ORV:





26
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
261

36


27
Dartmouth Big Green
200

29


28
North Carolina A&T Aggies
145

16


29
Missouri State Bears
138

31


30
Montana State Bobcats
133

30


31
Chattanooga Mocs
106

32


32
South Dakota Coyotes
38

20


33T
Florida A&M Rattlers
10

NR


33T
Furman Paladins
10

NR


35
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
9

37


36
Montana Grizzlies
6

23


37
Western Illinois Leathernecks
4

33































Most Significant Win:

Weber State Wildcats




Most Significant Loss:

Wofford Terriers

























Fell Out Of Poll:





40
Incarnate Word Cardinals





39
Sac State Hornets





35
Tennessee State Tigers





28
Villanova Wildcats





38
Western Carolina Catamounts







Whoever actually gave Montana any votes whatsoever should have their voting privileges removed. Do all of the MVFC voters hate UND so much that they won't vote for them? That's the only reason I can think of that they are not in the Top 25.

[RootinFerDukes]

Weber behind EWU?

I think that's fair. EWU will need to drop another one before Weber firmly passes them IMO.

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/14/2018 10:50:54

Your vote is listed below.
() AGS Poll Ranking

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (3)
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (2)
4: UC Davis Aggies (5)
5: Kennesaw State Owls (4)
6: Illinois State Redbirds (6)
7: Towson Tigers (8)
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (9)
9: Eastern Washington Eagles (7)
10: Elon Phoenix (12)
11: Weber State Wildcats (10)
12: McNeese State Cowboys (11)
13: Wofford Terriers (14)
14: Idaho State Bengals (21)
15: Maine Black Bears (13)
16: Colgate Raiders (15)
17: Northern Iowa Panthers (23)
18: Stony Brook Seawolves (15)
19: Sam Houston State Bearkats (22)
20: Central Arkansas Bears (18)
21: Rhode Island Rams (17)
22: East Tennessee State Buccaneers (20)
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks ORV (26)
24: Chattanooga Mocs ORV (31)
25: Missouri State Bears ORV (29)

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

Whoever actually gave Montana any votes whatsoever should have their voting privileges removed. Do all of the MVFC voters hate UND so much that they won't vote for them? That's the only reason I can think of that they are not in the Top 25.
Why SHSU is above both UND and Nicholls and why UCA is above all of them is the real mystery to me.

[TheKingpin28]

Whoever actually gave Montana any votes whatsoever should have their voting privileges removed. Do all of the MVFC voters hate UND so much that they won't vote for them? That's the only reason I can think of that they are not in the Top 25.I believe I had them at 15. Not all of us are biased. I'll post my poll around 3pm when I get home.

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[POD Knows]

Whoever actually gave Montana any votes whatsoever should have their voting privileges removed. Do all of the MVFC voters hate UND so much that they won't vote for them? That's the only reason I can think of that they are not in the Top 25.I have them at 23 in mine, I will bet you that there are other MVSU and particular NDSU fans that voted for UND

[POD Knows]

Weber behind EWU?And there it is.

[Daytripper]

This poll is nearly perfect IMO. The only thing I can complain about is how we continue to overrate KSU. #4? Really? Who've they beaten? I think they're in the 7-11 range.

In my opinion you can almost put 3-12 in a bowl and pull them out in random order and still have a defensible poll.

- - - Updated - - -


And there it is.

It's a Pavlovian response...

[MSUBobcat]

Agree, Dartmouth continues to be underrated.
Princeton is getting so much more love because they are simply good, scary good and somehow the Princeton team seems to be a hot topic of conversation on the boards - I wonder why?

C'mon meow. SCARY good?! Tone down the hyperbole.

As for the hot topic, could it be that it's caused by you crying, whining and bitching about being underranked? If people wouldn't feed the troll, it wouldn't be nearly as pervasive.

[Professor Chaos]

UND did get 261 points which means that, on average, they were at #23 in everyone's ballots. That's the most points any team has gotten in the AGS Poll this year and not been ranked in the top 25.

[POD Knows]

Hello dbackjon,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/14/2018 11:04:53

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: UC Davis Aggies
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: Towson Tigers
12: Colgate Raiders
13: Elon Phoenix
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Idaho State Bengals
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
18: Wofford Terriers
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Missouri State Bears
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Montana State Bobcats

dbackjon

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference
SHSU beat Central Arkansas and you don't even have SHSU in your poll and you are critiquing other people???

[RootinFerDukes]

In my opinion you can almost put 3-12 in a bowl and pull them out in random order and still have a defensible poll. No you can't. Can you honestly say JSU or KSU can beat any other top 10 team on a neutral field?

[dbackjon]

SHSU beat Central Arkansas and you don't even have SHSU in your poll and you are critiquing other people???

That's the point of the thread.

SHSU is my first team out. I probably put UCA too high.

[POD Knows]

That's the point of the thread.

SHSU is my first team out. I probably put UCA too high.Thought you were being critical of people that put EWU over Weber State.

[Daytripper]

No you can't. Can you honestly say JSU or KSU can beat any other top 10 team on a neutral field?

It's not impossible. Likely? Maybe not. The point is that there is no crystal clear delineation among that group. They are all very good, yet all flawed in certain areas. By the way, I didn't have JSU in my top 12.

[ksu_owls]

No you can't. Can you honestly say JSU or KSU can beat any other top 10 team on a neutral field?

Yea, probably. We're pretty good.

[geaux_sioux]

UND did get 261 points which means that, on average, they were at #23 in everyone's ballots. That's the most points any team has gotten in the AGS Poll this year and not been ranked in the top 25.

So I’ve got that going for me...

[Daytripper]

That's the point of the thread.

SHSU is my first team out. I probably put UCA too high.

You also have Delaware behind Elon. How dare you!

[MSUBobcat]

Whoever actually gave Montana any votes whatsoever should have their voting privileges removed. Do all of the MVFC voters hate UND so much that they won't vote for them? That's the only reason I can think of that they are not in the Top 25.

I wondered the same thing. The Griz are a dumpster fire right now and their playoff aspirations likely come to an early end next week against Davis, unless the committee rates the UNI win for the season opener extremely high.

[BEAR]

That's the point of the thread.

SHSU is my first team out. I probably put UCA too high.

No you didn't put UCA too high. A loss to an FBS ( as expected though they had to come back TWICE to beat us) and it took SHSU an OT field goal block to beat us AT their place (not an easy place to win). UCA may not be semifinal material this year due to all that and the fact we are on our third string QB, but if they keep up their play they WILL be in the playoffs...I won't critique anyone on their polls because I don't vote but I would put UCA anywhere between 15 - 20 no problem.

[Daytripper]

No you didn't put UCA too high. A loss to an FBS ( as expected though they had to come back TWICE to beat us) and it took SHSU an OT field goal block to beat us AT their place (not an easy place to win). UCA may not be semifinal material this year due to all that and the fact we are on our third string QB, but if they keep up their play they WILL be in the playoffs...I won't critique anyone on their polls because I don't vote but I would put UCA anywhere between 15 - 20 no problem.

Agree. Bears are dangerous. Real ones AND those from Conway.

[World]

C'mon meow. SCARY good?! Tone down the hyperbole.

As for the hot topic, could it be that it's caused by you crying, whining and bitching about being underranked? If people wouldn't feed the troll, it wouldn't be nearly as pervasive.

Huh?

I have never complained about being underranked in the AGS poll. If you can find posts of mine that say so, please provide them

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Here’s mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: McNeese State Cowboys
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Towson Tigers
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Colgate Raiders
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Elon Phoenix
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Princeton Tigers
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: North Dakota Fighting Hawks


The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles

These middle weeks are the toughest. A lot of parity towards the middle, hard to figure the exact order outside of the very top, and good arguments can be made for including or ignoring many different teams. Another few weeks will make this a lot easier.

[dbackjon]

You also have Delaware behind Elon. How dare you!

Head to Head is only one factor - but when records are close, it is a tie breaker.

Just wondering the logic behind putting EWU over WSU. I can defend why I put Elon ahead of Delaware.

[Professor Chaos]

Here’s mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: McNeese State Cowboys
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Towson Tigers
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Colgate Raiders
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Elon Phoenix
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Princeton Tigers
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: North Dakota Fighting Hawks


The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles

These middle weeks are the toughest. A lot of parity towards the middle, hard to figure the exact order outside of the very top, and good arguments can be made for including or ignoring many different teams. Another few weeks will make this a lot easier.
Just curious on your placement of Jacksonville St in relation to Kennesaw St. What do you see out of JSU that you don't see out of KSU?

[JSUSoutherner]

Just curious on your placement of Jacksonville St in relation to Kennesaw St. What do you see out of JSU that you don't see out of KSU?

Yeah in curious on this one as well.

[Daytripper]

Head to Head is only one factor - but when records are close, it is a tie breaker.

Just wondering the logic behind putting EWU over WSU. I can defend why I put Elon ahead of Delaware.

My reasoning is that the EWU loss can be at least partially attributed to Gubrud's injury. He should be back.

[Schism55]

Just curious on your placement of Jacksonville St in relation to Kennesaw St. What do you see out of JSU that you don't see out of KSU?
Colgate at 11? WTF lol

[dbackjon]

My reasoning is that the EWU loss can be at least partially attributed to Gubrud's injury. He should be back.

Fair point.

[TheRevSFA]

This poll is nearly perfect IMO. The only thing I can complain about is how we continue to overrate KSU. #4? Really? Who've they beaten? I think they're in the 7-11 range.

Who has JMU beaten?

I'll wait....

[caribbeanhen]

Who has JMU beaten?

I'll wait....

North Dakota State and South Dakota State .... but this year? they are missing Brian Schor, but the PR Amos is famous in my mind

[BisonTru]

My Poll
AGS

Diff


1
North Dakota St
North Dakota State Bison


-


2
James Madison
South Dakota State Jackrabbits


1


3
South Dakota St
James Madison Dukes


-1


4
Illinois St
Kennesaw State Owls


2


5
Colgate
UC Davis Aggies


10


6
Towson
Illinois State Redbirds


2


7
UC Davis
Eastern Washington Eagles


-2


8
Elon
Towson Tigers

4


9
Eastern Washington
Jacksonville State Gamecocks


-2


10
JacksonvilleSt
Weber State Wildcats


-1


11
Dartmouth
McNeese State Cowboys


16


12
Kennesaw St
Elon Phoenix

-8


13
Princeton
Maine Black Bears


6


14
Weber St
Wofford Terriers


-4


15
Delaware
Colgate Raiders


9


16
Northern Iowa
Stony Brook Seawolves


8


17
Idaho St
Rhode Island Rams


4


18
McNeese St
Central Arkansas Bears


-7


19
Sam Houston St
Princeton Tigers


4


20
Stony Brook
East Tennessee State Buccaneers


-5


21
Missouri St
Idaho State Bengals


8


22
North Dakota
Sam Houston State Bearkats


4


23
Eastern Tenn St
Northern Iowa Panthers


-3


25
Maine
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens


-11


25
Wofford
Nicholls State Colonels


-10




I am still way higher on Colgate than the community. I do agree they have a weak SOS but they are taking care of the teams on their schedule like a seeded team would which is why I believe they should get seeded at this point.

I am a lot lower on McNeese than the community, but I am higher on SHSU and in hindsight I am questioning why UND is below SHSU in my poll. I also left off Central Arkansas and Nicholls St. My honest opinion of the Southland is that those top 4 are all extremely close, but I am not so sure that any of them deserve to be up past the top half of the poll.

Wofford is another team I am a lot lower on than the group and I have been lower on Wofford all season and with this past loss they almost came off. Even though I am going against the crowd I am happy where I put them.

Maine and Rhode Island (I left URI off) in hindsight probably need to be higher in my poll. They both fell victim as I put in Southland and Southern teams that I am really questioning whether they are better than Maine or Rhode Island. Ultimately though there is only going to be so many CAA teams that get into the playoffs.

[caribbeanhen]

Here's the FCS Wedge blog for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results/

A few thoughts:

Elon was really punished harshly losing 600 points and 9 spots in comparison to EWU (400 points and 5 spots). This seems odd to me since Elon has a signature win that blows away anything EWU has to this point.
Dartmouth is really underrated. I'm not sure why Princeton seems to be getting so much more love.
Speaking of underrated what about Idaho St? Took the consensus #5 team to OT which is their only FCS loss and have quality wins over UND and Northern Arizona. They should be higher than #21.



I was asking myself this same question...

the other common theme for me all year with the poll is Kennesaw getting blind lust

Two things I would like to see in FCS
Ivy league participates in playoffs
Kennesaw moves to a real football Conference.... either Southren or CAA

[Serpentor]

Why SHSU is above both UND and Nicholls and why UCA is above all of them is the real mystery to me.

This whole thing is an elaborate scenario concocted just to confuse you, Professor Chaos. It has succeeded.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Just curious on your placement of Jacksonville St in relation to Kennesaw St. What do you see out of JSU that you don't see out of KSU?

Good question. Their resumes aren’t wildly different, I’m probably just giving JSU the benefit of the doubt because they’re established and have been good for a while, KSU is too new to say whether they’re really that good or have gotten lucky with a weak slate thus far.

[dbackjon]

Who has JMU beaten?

I'll wait....

Norfolk State (2 D1 wins over teams with combined 1 win)
Robert Morris (0 D1 wins)
William & Mary (2 D1 wins over teams with combined 3 wins)
Richmond (3 D1 wins over bad teams)
Villanova (3 D1 wins, one FBS wins)

What is funny is the wins that these teams have are all over the same teams - STFPA, Morgan State, Albany, Patriot League teams.


They are for the most part dominating these teams.

Probably getting too much credit for beating Villanova

[Professor Chaos]

This whole thing is an elaborate scenario concocted just to confuse you, Professor Chaos. It has succeeded.
Well Idaho St > UND > SHSU > UCA would be the orderly way to do it. But the AGS poll has apparently thrown that order into..... CHAOS???

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[BlueHenSinfonian]

Here's the FCS Wedge blog for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results/

A few thoughts:

Elon was really punished harshly losing 600 points and 9 spots in comparison to EWU (400 points and 5 spots). This seems odd to me since Elon has a signature win that blows away anything EWU has to this point.
Dartmouth is really underrated. I'm not sure why Princeton seems to be getting so much more love.
Speaking of underrated what about Idaho St? Took the consensus #5 team to OT which is their only FCS loss and have quality wins over UND and Northern Arizona. They should be higher than #21.



I’m not sure how others do it, but I won’t rank more than one Ivy at a time. It’s hard to gauge how good any of them are with their limited OOC schedule and refusal to join the playoffs.

There could be be an argument made that that team should be Dartmouth instead of Princeton , but I suppose I just rode the bandwagon on that one.

[Serpentor]

Agree. Bears are dangerous. Real ones AND those from Conway.

It's been my experience that that Conway ones won't try to eat you after they defeat you, but stranger things have happened...

[caribbeanhen]

Hello caribbeanhen,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/14

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Towson Tigers
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Kennesaw State Owls
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Princeton Tigers
11: Dartmouth Big Green
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Colgate Raiders
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Elon Phoenix
17: Idaho State Bengals
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Rhode Island Rams
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

caribbeanhen

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Montana Grizzlies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[BisonTru]

Here's how the playoffs would breakdown by the AGS Poll.




AGS

Playoffs


North Dakota State Bison


MVFC Auto


South Dakota State Jackrabbits


At large 1


James Madison Dukes


CAA Auto


Kennesaw State Owls


Big South Auto


UC Davis Aggies


Big Sky Auto


Illinois State Redbirds


At large 2


Eastern Washington Eagles


At large 3


Towson Tigers

At large 4


Jacksonville State Gamecocks


OVC Auto


Weber State Wildcats


At large 5


McNeese State Cowboys


Southland Auto


Elon Phoenix

At large 6


Maine Black Bears


At Large 7


Wofford Terriers


Southern Auto


Colgate Raiders


Patroit Auto


Stony Brook Seawolves


At Large 8


Rhode Island Rams


At Large 9


Central Arkansas Bears


At Large 10


Princeton Tigers


No Playoffs


East Tennessee State Buccaneers


At Large 11


Idaho State Bengals


At Large 12


Sam Houston State Bearkats


At Large 13


Northern Iowa Panthers


At Large 14


Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens


First Team Out


Nicholls State Colonels


Second Out












ORV:




North Dakota Fighting Hawks
261



Dartmouth Big Green
200



North Carolina A&T Aggies
145



Missouri State Bears
138



Montana State Bobcats
133



Chattanooga Mocs
106



South Dakota Coyotes
38



Florida A&M Rattlers
10



Furman Paladins
10



Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
9



Montana Grizzlies
6



Western Illinois Leathernecks
4

[BEAR]

I am a lot lower on McNeese than the community, but I am higher on SHSU and in hindsight I am questioning why UND is below SHSU in my poll. I also left off Central Arkansas and Nicholls St. My honest opinion of the Southland is that those top 4 are all extremely close, but I am not so sure that any of them deserve to be up past the top half of the poll.

McNeese has a good to really good defense in some aspects but they have little offense. SHSU may be a strong team because they found a QB and have pretty darn good receivers. Their pass defense isn't that good but they have their moments but their run defense is pretty good. UCA has a solid run defense but is lacking in pass defense. However when the field shortens that advantage disappears for opponents as seen by the high yardage teams pass on UCA with little scoring. I honestly think UCA and SHSU are about even. Nicholls is a decent team but one more loss and they are out the playoffs anyway. McNeese plays UCA after this week. If our third string QB gets more experience and more confidence, this one may be a heck of a game!

[kdinva]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Towson Tigers
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Maine Black Bears
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
18: Wofford Terriers
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Princeton Tigers
22: Idaho State Bengals
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats
25: Missouri State Bears



The Most Significant Win: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
The Most Significant Loss: North Carolina A&T Aggies

[JALMOND]

Thanks to all who took the time and energy to vote. I'm sure the last two weeks have been really tough. Overall, the poll looks great. Great job, all of you voters!!

[MR. CHICKEN]

You also have Delaware behind Elon. How dare you!


.......AN' YOU DON'T HAVE......DELAWARE....AT ALL......xconfusedx......AWK!

[Mayville Bison]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Towson Tigers
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Elon Phoenix
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Idaho State Bengals
14: Wofford Terriers
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Colgate Raiders
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Missouri State Bears
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Dartmouth Big Green
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats

Mayville Bison

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: North Carolina A&T Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Quite a few deserving teams battling for the 20-25 slots. For the record UCA is #26

[jmu007]

Who has JMU beaten?

I'll wait....

Next 4 games are Stony Brook, @ UNH, Rhode Island, and @ Towson.

It’ll take care of itself.

[TheRevSFA]

Next 4 games are Stony Brook, @ UNH, Rhode Island, and @ Towson.

It’ll take care of itself.

True..if they make it through that gauntlet, then I'll buy them as a top 3 team but right now I don't. I think they have an inflated rank based upon last year and given the teams they are playing, they're looking like Paper Tigers...or Dogs in this case.

[ksu_owls]

Good question. Their resumes aren’t wildly different, I’m probably just giving JSU the benefit of the doubt because they’re established and have been good for a while, KSU is too new to say whether they’re really that good or have gotten lucky with a weak slate thus far.

KSU has somewhere between 17-19 seniors or grad students, many of which joined the "team" in 2014 when they all were red-shirted and did nothing but practiced for an entire season because we didn't start football until 2015. Maybe the JSU program is established, but I would argue our 4 year old program has produced one of the more experienced teams in the field this year. I think we are Top 10, not sure where we fall in the top, but since we are 1-0 against JSU I'd argue we should be ahead of them. I know they'll be ready to play in a few weeks.... I'm pumped for that game. If we walk out of SunTrust park with a victory then I think we should be seeded in the playoffs, imo.

[JSUSoutherner]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Towson Tigers
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Maine Black Bears
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
18: Wofford Terriers
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Princeton Tigers
22: Idaho State Bengals
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats
25: Missouri State Bears



The Most Significant Win: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
The Most Significant Loss: North Carolina A&T Aggies

I stopped reading your poll after #3.

Garbage.

[BisonTru]

True..if they make it through that gauntlet, then I'll buy them as a top 3 team but right now I don't. I think they have an inflated rank based upon last year and given the teams they are playing, they're looking like Paper Tigers...or Dogs in this case.

I know Villanova and Richmond are not ranked teams but they are still probably solid FCS teams and JMU smoked both of them on the road. I also think they deserves some benefit of doubt given the past two seasons. Some will say last year is over and doesn't matter, but a lot of the same players from those teams are still playing. The coaching staff from those years is still in tact, and good football programs reload as recruiting is a lot easier when you are winning.

[Sammy94]

Why SHSU is above both UND and Nicholls and why UCA is above all of them is the real mystery to me.

With this reasoning why do you have JMU ranked above Elon?

[TheRevSFA]

I know Villanova and Richmond are not ranked teams but they are still probably solid FCS teams and JMU smoked both of them on the road. I also think they deserves some benefit of doubt given the past two seasons. Some will say last year is over and doesn't matter, but a lot of the same players from those teams are still playing. The coaching staff from those years is still in tact, and good football programs reload as recruiting is a lot easier when you are winning.

Benefit of doubt is the same reason y'all complained year after year about Sam being a top 5 school. It's either you take the past few years in consideration, or you look at their resume for this year.

JMU doesn't have an impressive win, at the moment. They also lost to a team they were favored by 30 points to beat, and somehow didn't get as mercilessly punished for it as Elon did for losing the following week)

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Towson Tigers
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Idaho State Bengals
14: Wofford Terriers
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Colgate Raiders
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Missouri State Bears
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho State Bengals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[JSUSoutherner]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Towson Tigers
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Idaho State Bengals
14: Wofford Terriers
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Colgate Raiders
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Missouri State Bears
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho State Bengals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


Didn't you have JSU at like 17 last week or something? Now you have them higher than I do.

[TheKingpin28]

Didn't you have JSU at like 17 last week or something? Now you have them higher than I do.

I had them at 9

[Preferred Walk-On]

Here is my contribution. Please be gentle. :D


----------

Hello Preferred Walk-On:

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/14/2018 19:38:12.

Your vote is listed below. (Last week's rank is denoted in parentheses.)

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)

2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (4) - #2 and #3 could easily be swapped, but South Dakota State has not slipped up (barely) since playing North Dakota State, so they got the nod.

3: James Madison Dukes (5) - Nice win @ Villanova. Definitely the most definitive win of the teams that played Villanova and previously reaped the rewards of those wins.

4: UC-Davis Aggies (9) - Still above Towson...for reasoning, see last week's AGS Top 25 thread.

5: Towson Tigers (10) - Glad to see Towson pull away from a 17-13 lead after three quarters...to William and Mary.

6: Kennesaw State Owls (6) - Did not pull a Wofford...yet.

7: Illinois State Redbirds (11) - The next four teams are those each with one loss that is perhaps a bit baffling for each team. Illinois State, however, has rallied since losing to Missouri State with a couple of definitive wins. See you next week @ North Dakota State.

8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (8) - See last week's thread for reasoning.

9: Eastern Washington Eagles (2) - Gage Gubrud, please get well soon.

10: Elon Phoenix (3) - Tough loss and hope Elon can rebound from some huge player losses to injury. #10 for now, but will be interested to see where Elon goes from here.

11: McNeese State Cowboys (12) - Essentially a bye week position hold.

12: Weber State Wildcats (17) - Nice recovery from Northern Arizona game, hence the move up in this poll from last week. Did not jump Eastern Washington (yet) due to no Gage Gubrud and that it was a one score game.

13: Idaho State Bengals (19) - Lost, but still moved up a bit (perhaps too much) due to the fact that the only two losses have been to California (FBS) and California-Davis (in OT).

14: Stony Brook Seawolves (18) - Well, they beat New Hampshire (so has everyone else except Holy Cross).

15: Northern Iowa Panthers (22) - Took care of South Dakota in a must-win. On to South Dakota State.

16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (NR) - Montana was #14 and #23 in the last two AGS polls. After that drubbing, figured North Dakota was worth a #16 spot. They did also beat Sam Houston State and played Idaho State within four points.

17: Montana State Bobcats (16) - See last week's thread for reasoning (and for opinion about why they should have been ranked above Montana the past few weeks). Not so impressive against Idaho, but they did win. Next week at Weber State will move the needle for this voter...one way or another.

18: Nicholls State Colonels (13) - Loss dropped Nicholls State a bit. Probably the one placement that was second-guessed the most, but could not justify dropping much further considering they have beaten Sam Houston State and have an FBS win (Kansas, but still a win).

19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers (25) - Won @ Citadel when they had to. The Citadel has given a few teams fits without much to show for it. Not much in the way of style points, but East Tennessee State's barometer is next week @ Wofford. Moved up (perhaps too much), because they won after almost making the poll for the first time, AND because they are in first place in the Southern Conference.

20: Sam Houston State Bearkats (20) - Stayed put with win over Northwestern State. Next couple of games will likely not move the needle much.

21: Colgate Raiders (21) - Just win, baby...against Cornell. Like Sam Houston State, next opponents will not move the needle, unless Colgate loses (then likely out, same applies for Sam Houston State above).

22: Maine Black Bears (24) - This voter has a love/hate relationship with Maine. Maine is undefeated in conference play and currently (co-)leading the CAA, but those wins are New Hampshire, Villanova, and now Rhode Island. With no James Madison on the schedule and a reeling Elon, this voter is just not sure how much credit Maine really deserves/will deserve.

23: Central Arkansas Bears (NR) - #25 in last week's AGS Top 25. Still in the conference hunt with a head-to-head left with McNeese State.

24: Furman Paladins - Took Wofford to the woodshed. Where was this earlier in the year?

25: Dartmouth Big Green - There were two CAA teams, one Southern team, one MEAC team, and another Ivy team just outside this voter's top 25. However, undefeated after six games deserves a nod (Princeton could have easily been in this spot). Can't wait to see the matchup against undefeated Princeton.

Preferred Walk-On

Most significant win: North Dakota Fighting Hawks - This win was impressive to watch. Is North Dakota that good? Is Montana that bad? If Montana was really as good as many AGS voters gave them credit for, then this was a huge win for North Dakota...and more importantly, it kept North Dakota's playoff hopes alive.

Most significant loss: Wofford Terriers - Perhaps Furman is better than people think, and their start was an anomaly, but did Wofford's loss simply demonstrate the actual strength? of the Southern Conference. In this voter's opinion, it was enough to drop Wofford out of the top 25, despite previous weeks around #7 (perhaps a generous ranking due to the hangover of preseason hype/expectations). East Tennessee State beat Furman, who beat Wofford. Perhaps a bit harsh of a drop, but Wofford can move back in with victory next week.

Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Towson Tigers
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Idaho State Bengals
14: Wofford Terriers
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Colgate Raiders
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Missouri State Bears
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho State Bengals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


-I am not understanding how SHSU can be above UND and I might be a little high on them, but they had their way last week.
-People need to start respecting ISUo or they need to check their polls more often.
-I guess I am just not feeling the ISUr love, especially considering they played Missery St and lost
-I'm not seeing Colgate I guess the way others.

-I've made a point clear as to what I think of Princeton and Dartmouth in a few threads.

[kdinva]

I stopped reading your poll after #3.

Garbage.

where is your poll, then?..............remember, glass houses...........

anyway, this poll is just a collection of opinions.........we're no smarter than the folks who vote in the "official" polls......

[Sammy94]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: McNeese State Cowboys
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Towson Tigers
13: Colgate Raiders
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Princeton Tigers
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Idaho State Bengals
25: Nicholls State Colonels

Sammy94

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

[Ivytalk]

Come November 5, Dartmouth and Princeton will trade places.

[MTfan4life]

Sam Houston above North Dakota is definitely confusing. UND keeps getting punished for losing to Idaho State, a team who keeps improving before everyone's eyes. SHSU, on the other hand, has lost to both Nicholls and UND, along with beating UCA. Central Arkansas is also very interestingly high, because not only have they yet to rack up a win better than Murray State, but their own posters on here have made it clear it's a 3rd string QB who has been given the reins.

Quick UND vs. UCA comparison:

UND won @ Sam Houston State
UCA lost @ Sam Houston State

Both have an FBS loss and UND's FCS loss is to Idaho State. UCA is #18, UND is #26.

[BisonTru]

1
North Dakota State Bison




2
South Dakota State Jackrabbits




3
James Madison Dukes




4
Kennesaw State Owls




5
UC Davis Aggies




6
Illinois State Redbirds




7
Eastern Washington Eagles




8
Towson Tigers




Jacksonville State Gamecocks





Weber State Wildcats





McNeese State Cowboys





Elon Phoenix




Maine Black Bears





Wofford Terriers





Colgate Raiders






So looking at the seeds, this is where things sit in AGS. I think the top 4 are pretty likely to be seeded at the end of the year. Kennesaw St I question whether they belong this high, but the consensus here is usually pretty close with the committee and KSU has been up here for a while and they probably won't drop a game the rest of the year. NDSU is the clear 1 seed and really maybe this is homerism but I think they could take a loss and hold that spot. JMU and SDSU could flip if they both win out.

The Big Sky I think is also a lock to have at least one seed. Both EWU and Davis would be seeded now, but I would call two seeds a little unlikely once the dust settles on the regular season. So that's 5 seeds and I think Jacksonville St sitting just outside is just too high up to not get bumped into the seeds before the season wraps up.

So the last two spots would come down to IMO Colgate/Illinois St/a second Big Sky team/a second CAA team/the Southern conference winner and the Southland conference winner.

This is my guess once the season settles ---

1. North Dakota St
2. James Madison
3. Kennesaw St
4. South Dakota St
5. Big Sky Winner
6. Jacksonville St
7. A 2nd CAA team
8. Colgate

[semobison]

Hello Semobison,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/14/2018 18:34:50

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: Towson Tigers
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Idaho State Bengals
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Elon Phoenix
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Missouri State Bears
20: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Dartmouth Big Green

Semobison

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix

[JSUSoutherner]

where is your poll, then?..............remember, glass houses...........

anyway, this poll is just a collection of opinions.........we're no smarter than the folks who vote in the "official" polls......

I'll post it for you tomorrow when I get my confirmation email.

I believe I had JSU at 8.

[Prime Power]

1.North Dakota State
2. South Dakota State
3. James Madison
4. Kennesaw State
5. UC Davis
6. Illinois State
7. Eastern Washington
8. Elon
9. Jacksonville State
10. McNeese State
11. Towson
12. Weber State
13. Maine
14. Wofford
15. Princeton
16. Colgate
17. Stony Brook
18. Sam Houston State
19. Central Arkansas
20. East Tennessee State
21. Rhode Island
22. Dartmouth
23. Missouri State
24. Idaho State
25. North Dakota

.....issues??

[semobison]

1.North Dakota State
2. South Dakota State
3. James Madison
4. Kennesaw State
5. UC Davis
6. Illinois State
7. Eastern Washington
8. Elon
9. Jacksonville State
10. McNeese State
11. Towson
12. Weber State
13. Maine
14. Wofford
15. Princeton
16. Colgate
17. Stony Brook
18. Sam Houston State
19. Central Arkansas
20. East Tennessee State
21. Rhode Island
22. Dartmouth
23. Missouri State
24. Idaho State
25. North Dakota

.....issues??

Not bad, Sammy at 18, UND at 25?

[semobison]

Not bad, Sammy at 18, UND at 25?

Also Idaho State almost beats your #5 UCD and you have them at 24?

[Sammy94]

Sam Houston above North Dakota is definitely confusing. UND keeps getting punished for losing to Idaho State, a team who keeps improving before everyone's eyes. SHSU, on the other hand, has lost to both Nicholls and UND, along with beating UCA. Central Arkansas is also very interestingly high, because not only have they yet to rack up a win better than Murray State, but their own posters on here have made it clear it's a 3rd string QB who has been given the reins.

Quick UND vs. UCA comparison:

UND won @ Sam Houston State
UCA lost @ Sam Houston State

Both have an FBS loss and UND's FCS loss is to Idaho State. UCA is #18, UND is #26.

But Sam started its 2nd string QB vs ND ? There is a lot of hate for SHSU and ND both so it’s surprising to me either are ranked at all.

[semobison]

But Sam started its 2nd string QB vs ND ? There is a lot of hate for SHSU and ND both so it’s surprising to me either are ranked at all.

I got UND at 22 and Sammy at 24 and they are moving in the right direction.

[Prime Power]

Not bad, Sammy at 18, UND at 25?

Should probably have ID State and UND up there with UCA and SHSU. I am really curious to see how UC Davis pans out the rest of the year.

[Professor Chaos]

With this reasoning why do you have JMU ranked above Elon?
Because I think JMU is better based on how Elon looked against Delaware (albeit without their starting QB and RB). I also have Delaware below Elon. The difference in that situation to the SHSU/UND situation is that the team that won the head-to-head has a bad loss that somewhat counterfeits their head-to-head win. UND lost to Idaho St who I think is a top 15 team. That doesn't give me reason to think their win over SHSU was a flukish/AGS type win. Elon's loss to Delaware gives me some reason to believe their win over JMU was a flukish/AGS type win.

Like I said earlier, I believe the order amongst these 4 teams should be Idaho St > UND > SHSU > UCA. Feel free to put teams in between them but I don't see what any of those teams have done outside of their head-to-head matchups with each other than should discount/counterfeit what the head-to-head matchups told us. That's obviously subject to change as the season goes along.

EDIT: And if Elon and JMU both keep winning I'm very likely to creep Elon back in front of JMU also. They just gave me reason for concern with their multiple score loss to Delaware.

[Prime Power]

But Sam started its 2nd string QB vs ND ? There is a lot of hate for SHSU and ND both so it’s surprising to me either are ranked at all.

I don't think hate is the right word, well maybe it is for some. I think a lot of posters like to get under your skin.

[RootinFerDukes]

Because I think JMU is better based on how Elon looked against Delaware (albeit without their starting QB and RB). I also have Delaware below Elon. The difference in that situation to the SHSU/UND situation is that the team that won the head-to-head has a bad loss that somewhat counterfeits their head-to-head win. UND lost to Idaho St who I think is a top 15 team. That doesn't give me reason to think their win over SHSU was a flukish/AGS type win. Elon's loss to Delaware gives me some reason to believe their win over JMU was flukish/AGS type win.

Like I said earlier, I believe the order amongst these 4 teams should be Idaho St > UND > SHSU > UCA. Feel free to put teams in between them but I don't see what any of those teams have done outside of their head-to-head matchups with each other than should discount/counterfeit what the head-to-head matchups told us. That's obviously subject to change as the season goes along.

I believe you're right in your view of Elon's win over JMU. Not to discredit them, they did come in and beat us and did win in the trenches. That doesn't take away that they also favored from an uncharacteristic amount of JMU offensive and defensive mistakes, turnovers and favorable calls from officials (taking 14 points off the board). If we had one of those TDs back and one less turnover, I don't think even Elon's best shot would've made them win. I think if played again, JMU won't lose.

[dbackjon]

1.North Dakota State
2. South Dakota State
3. James Madison
4. Kennesaw State
5. UC Davis
6. Illinois State
7. Eastern Washington
8. Elon
9. Jacksonville State
10. McNeese State
11. Towson
12. Weber State
13. Maine
14. Wofford
15. Princeton
16. Colgate
17. Stony Brook
18. Sam Houston State
19. Central Arkansas
20. East Tennessee State
21. Rhode Island
22. Dartmouth
23. Missouri State
24. Idaho State
25. North Dakota

.....issues??

Idaho State too low, Princeton too high

[Thumper 76]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/14/2018 13:59:45

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Towson Tigers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Colgate Raiders
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Idaho State Bengals
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Montana State Bobcats
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Dartmouth Big Green
25: Princeton Tigers

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

You’re welcome


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[Preferred Walk-On]

Like I said earlier, I believe the order amongst these 4 teams should be Idaho St > UND > SHSU > UCA. Feel free to put teams in between them but I don't see what any of those teams have done outside of their head-to-head matchups with each other than should discount/counterfeit what the head-to-head matchups told us. That's obviously subject to change as the season goes along.

You're welcome!


EDIT: And if Elon and JMU both keep winning I'm very likely to creep Elon back in front of JMU also. They just gave me reason for concern with their multiple score loss to Delaware.

Just curious as to why, if they both keep winning. Too bad James Madison does not play Delaware.

[kdinva]

C'mon, folks........too much of this.....xslapfightx going on......

[McNeese72]

Here’s mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: McNeese State Cowboys
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Towson Tigers
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Colgate Raiders
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Elon Phoenix
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Princeton Tigers
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: North Dakota Fighting Hawks


The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles

These middle weeks are the toughest. A lot of parity towards the middle, hard to figure the exact order outside of the very top, and good arguments can be made for including or ignoring many different teams. Another few weeks will make this a lot easier.

Are you ******ing crazy???

Doc

[centennial]

Benefit of doubt is the same reason y'all complained year after year about Sam being a top 5 school. It's either you take the past few years in consideration, or you look at their resume for this year.

JMU doesn't have an impressive win, at the moment. They also lost to a team they were favored by 30 points to beat, and somehow didn't get as mercilessly punished for it as Elon did for losing the following week)

JMU is riding it's reputation. I am guilty of voting too high for them too. Good point.

[Professor Chaos]

Just curious as to why, if they both keep winning. Too bad James Madison does not play Delaware.
Probably mostly my personal belief but I tend value quality wins over bad losses (or lack thereof). If Elon can show that last week against Delaware was an anomaly due to injuries or what have you by running off a few wins in a row I think a case could be made to put them back in front of JMU. Both teams would have one FBS and one FCS loss. In addition not only would Elon have the head-to-head win but that win over JMU will be better than any win left on JMU's schedule. There's more variables that would come into play like margin of victory amongst common opponents and such but it's possible to make that argument for Elon if they can get things back on track.

[Schism55]

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Illinois State Redbirds
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Towson Tigers
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Elon Phoenix
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Idaho State Bengals
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Missouri State Bears
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Dartmouth Big Green
25: Princeton Tigers

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Wofford Terriers

Sam Houston at 26 for me... Flame on!

[nodak651]

Interesting that North Dakota has been ranked in every single poll that has been posted so far, but they/we still managed to go unranked.

[Thumper 76]

Probably mostly my personal belief but I tend value quality wins over bad losses (or lack thereof). If Elon can show that last week against Delaware was an anomaly due to injuries or what have you by running off a few wins in a row I think a case could be made to put them back in front of JMU. Both teams would have one FBS and one FCS loss. In addition not only would Elon have the head-to-head win but that win over JMU will be better than any win left on JMU's schedule. There's more variables that would come into play like margin of victory amongst common opponents and such but it's possible to make that argument for Elon if they can get things back on track.My issue with Elon is we don't know the severity of their injuries. If both run out from here I'll have them back in front of JMU.

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[caribbeanhen]

Probably mostly my personal belief but I tend value quality wins over bad losses (or lack thereof). If Elon can show that last week against Delaware was an anomaly due to injuries or what have you by running off a few wins in a row I think a case could be made to put them back in front of JMU. Both teams would have one FBS and one FCS loss. In addition not only would Elon have the head-to-head win but that win over JMU will be better than any win left on JMU's schedule. There's more variables that would come into play like margin of victory amongst common opponents and such but it's possible to make that argument for Elon if they can get things back on track.

to play JMU and Delaware back to back on the road is a tall order, JMU has a very physical Defense and then to have to come to Delaware who can play some physical Defense as well.......you are going to take a beating unless you are alabison of course. I hope Elon can shake off the injuries and finish the season healthy

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Interesting that North Dakota has been ranked in every single poll that has been posted so far, but they/we still managed to go unranked.

How many do you think we've seen so far? Subtract that from 91 and it may go a ways in explaining it.

[katss07]

To the people asking why Sam is ahead of Nicholls? The head to head was 5 weeks ago now. Things change. The Bearkats have turned things around and Nicholls has fallen a bit. Sam is now on a 3 game winnning streak and have their quarterback situation figured out. The defense is also improved. Meanwhile, the Colonels just lost to ACU. I thing H2H is very important...but things can change. No one is ranking UNI below Montana right?

People complain about JSU, yet they continue to appear in the Top 15. Basically anyone in the Top 25 has a better resume than the Coacks.

[JSUSoutherner]

To the people asking why Sam is ahead of Nicholls? The head to head was 5 weeks ago now. Things change. The Bearkats have turned things around and Nicholls has fallen a bit. Sam is now on a 3 game winnning streak and have their quarterback situation figured out. The defense is also improved. Meanwhile, the Colonels just lost to ACU. I thing H2H is very important...but things can change. No one is ranking UNI below Montana right?

People complain about JSU, yet they continue to appear in the Top 15. Basically anyone in the Top 25 has a better resume than the Coacks.
People like to complain about "X team is top 10 or top 5 and they don't deserve it!" yet week in and week out we have been sitting here talking about how 3 to like 15 is a crapshoot. JSU may not have impressive wins, after NCAT I had them like 16 or 17. The only thing moving JSU up is that JSU is handling their business and not losing. Everytime I've moved JSU up is because someone had a bad loss and not enough resume to not fall.

It's just how it is.

[Daytripper]

People like to complain about "X team is top 10 or top 5 and they don't deserve it!" yet week in and week out we have been sitting here talking about how 3 to like 15 is a crapshoot. JSU may not have impressive wins, after NCAT I had them like 16 or 17. The only thing moving JSU up is that JSU is handling their business and not losing. Everytime I've moved JSU up is because someone had a bad loss and not enough resume to not fall.

It's just how it is.

Sam Houston is in the same situation. Those two early losses seem to weigh like an anchor on their ranking. But that was really a different team than the one that has won three straight and beaten a ranked team. We just barely snuck back in to the top 25. Just have to keep winning.

[Professor Chaos]

Interesting that North Dakota has been ranked in every single poll that has been posted so far, but they/we still managed to go unranked.
If all 91 ballots had UND at #23 they'd have had 273 points. They had 261 points. I'd bet that they were on the majority of ballots but not many people had them higher than #20 so they couldn't get enough to get up to consensus #25 (which they were only 15 points short of).

[Preferred Walk-On]

Interesting that North Dakota has been ranked in every single poll that has been posted so far, but they/we still managed to go unranked.

NDSU fan here. I did my best to help with 10 of those 261 points.

[JSUSoutherner]

Sam Houston is in the same situation. Those two early losses seem to weigh like an anchor on their ranking. But that was really a different team than the one that has won three straight and beaten a ranked team. We just barely snuck back in to the top 25. Just have to keep winning.
Not looking dominant against NWST isn't speeding up the process either. Sam is getting dubs, but they're Fugly.

[katss07]

Not looking dominant against NWST isn't speeding up the process either. Sam is getting dubs, but they're Fugly.
I was actually quite pleased with the way Sam handled Northwestern St (an improved program). The defense had a 21 point quarter but shut them down the rest of the time. And we killed SFA. We’ll see how Sam does against Lamar this weekend, that could be telling.

[Daytripper]

Not looking dominant against NWST isn't speeding up the process either. Sam is getting dubs, but they're Fugly.

True, but still trying to get that freshman QB up to speed. He's played more real football in the last three weeks than he did in the last three years. (Redshirted his freshman year at SHSU. Played a total of 3 quarters his junior and senior year of HS because of early season-ending injuries both years).

[The Yo Show]

Here's the FCS Wedge blog for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results/

A few thoughts:

Elon was really punished harshly losing 600 points and 9 spots in comparison to EWU (400 points and 5 spots). This seems odd to me since Elon has a signature win that blows away anything EWU has to this point.
Dartmouth is really underrated. I'm not sure why Princeton seems to be getting so much more love.
Speaking of underrated what about Idaho St? Took the consensus #5 team to OT which is their only FCS loss and have quality wins over UND and Northern Arizona. They should be higher than #21.



In relation to the Elon point, I know I dropped them more because of the injury to their qb.

[BisonTru]

True, but still trying to get that freshman QB up to speed. He's played more real football in the last three weeks than he did in the last three years. (Redshirted his freshman year at SHSU. Played a total of 3 quarters his junior and senior year of HS because of early season-ending injuries both years).

How do you recruit a QB that only played 3 quarters of football his Junior and Senior years? He must of been pretty damn impressive in those three quarters.

[AggiePride]

Idaho State needs some love, that was a hell of a game and decided by a few plays. I would say we were on the lucky end of it with the blown chip shot FG.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Idaho State needs some love, that was a hell of a game and decided by a few plays. I would say we were on the lucky end of it with the blown chip shot FG.

Hey, I tried. Moved Idaho State up to #13 (from #19 previously), even with the loss.

- - - Updated - - -


How do you recruit a QB that only played 3 quarters of football his Junior and Senior years? He must of been pretty damn impressive in those three quarters.

Probably signed as a sixth-grader.

[caribbeanhen]

Idaho State needs some love, that was a hell of a game and decided by a few plays. I would say we were on the lucky end of it with the blown chip shot FG.

I just watched some of that game, all the respect in the world to your camera person that knows how to keep the camera in the right spots during those timeouts.... nice crowd and good spirited fans

[Serpentor]

How do you recruit a QB that only played 3 quarters of football his Junior and Senior years? He must of been pretty damn impressive in those three quarters.

He was one of the top recruited QBs in the state before he got injured.

[Go...gate]

Come November 5, Dartmouth and Princeton will trade places.

Princeton will have a very tough one this week up in Cambridge.

[mvemjsunpx]

(last week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. Kennesaw St. (4)
3. South Dakota St. (6)
4. Towson (7)
5. James Madison (5)
6. UC Davis (8)
7. Eastern Washington (2)
8. Elon (3)
9. McNeese St. (11)
10. Idaho St. (10)
11. Jacksonville St. (13)
12. Weber St. (17)
13. Missouri St. (19)
14. Illinois St. (20)
15. Maine (25)
16. North Dakota (NR)
17. Stony Brook (16)
18. Rhode Island (14)
19. Delaware (NR)
20. Princeton (21)
21. Colgate (22)
22. Dartmouth (23)
23. Nicholls St. (12)
24. Florida A&M (NR)
25. North Carolina A&T (9)

W - Delaware
L - Wofford


Dropped - Wofford (15), South Dakota (18), East Tennessee St. (24)

[World]

Princeton will have a very tough one this week up in Cambridge.

fully agree

[Daytripper]

How do you recruit a QB that only played 3 quarters of football his Junior and Senior years? He must of been pretty damn impressive in those three quarters.

He was already being looked at by Big 12 schools after his sophomore year (hudl highlights 2014: https://www.hudl.com/video/3/2843442/5721c0179a90ec55408450bc). Broke his leg in the first game of his junior year. Was #7 rated QB in state of Texas entering his senior year. Broke the other leg in the first game. Big programs shied away after that. It really helped that his grandfather was a Bearkat alum and the SHSU softball coach for about 15 years. So, kind of a legacy.

[Derby City Duke]

(last week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. Kennesaw St. (4)
3. South Dakota St. (6)
4. Towson (7)
5. James Madison (5)
6. UC Davis (8)
7. Eastern Washington (2)
8. Elon (3)
9. McNeese St. (11)
10. Idaho St. (10)
11. Jacksonville St. (13)
12. Weber St. (17)
13. Missouri St. (19)
14. Illinois St. (20)
15. Maine (25)
16. North Dakota (NR)
17. Stony Brook (16)
18. Rhode Island (14)
19. Delaware (NR)
20. Princeton (21)
21. Colgate (22)
22. Dartmouth (23)
23. Nicholls St. (12)
24. Florida A&M (NR)
25. North Carolina A&T (9)

W - Delaware
L - Wofford


Dropped - Wofford (15), South Dakota (18), East Tennessee St. (24)

Rationale for dropping ETSU out of the poll after winning and taking over sole possession of 1st place in the SOCON?

Towson jumps 3 after struggling to beat a bad W&M team -- and leapfrogs, along with SDSU, JMU? [I have SDSU ahead of JMU in my poll, which I will post when I get my email]

Inquiring minds want to know. xchinscratchx

[Serpentor]

Well Idaho St > UND > SHSU > UCA would be the orderly way to do it. But the AGS poll has apparently thrown that order into..... CHAOS???

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2SpQBMIp9N2JAHh6/giphy.gif

That, and... General Disarray!

[FUGameBreaker]

With our starting QB back, yall sleeping on my Paladins xnodx

[dbackjon]

With our starting QB back, yall sleeping on my Paladins xnodx

Get a winning record first.

[FUGameBreaker]

Get a winning record first.


That's the plan xthumbsupx

[Katfan]

How do you recruit a QB that only played 3 quarters of football his Junior and Senior years? He must of been pretty damn impressive in those three quarters.
It was actually his soph more year but yes his 2 qtrs his senior year were pretty impressive. The real question to me is why he didn’t start game 1

[stevdock]

Excellent work on the poll guys. I say we start the playoffs right now since it's all figured out perfectly now ;)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

All remaining ballot confirmations have been sent out to voters except for corrected ballots which will go out in a little bit.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Towson Tigers
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Elon Phoenix
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Colgate Raiders
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: Dartmouth Big Green
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[Daytripper]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Towson Tigers
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Elon Phoenix
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Colgate Raiders
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: Dartmouth Big Green
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

Where you have SHSU?

[mvemjsunpx]

Rationale for dropping ETSU out of the poll after winning and taking over sole possession of 1st place in the SOCON?

Towson jumps 3 after struggling to beat a bad W&M team -- and leapfrogs, along with SDSU, JMU? [I have SDSU ahead of JMU in my poll, which I will post when I get my email]

Inquiring minds want to know. xchinscratchx

ETSU got caught in the backwash and fell to #26. I still have them above Wofford & UTC. No SoCon team looks better than borderline top-25 right now.

JMU's loss to Elon now looks worse than it did at the time, so that's why they fell below SDSU & Towson (SDSU also redeemed themselves a little from the scare against Indiana St.).
JMU's resume looks a little speculative right now. They've massacred everyone they've played except Elon, but Villanova's the only victim that's even decent. You could actually make an argument their resume isn't any better than Princeton's or Dartmouth's.

[SkinsWizDukes]

ETSU got caught in the backwash and fell to #26. I still have them above Wofford & UTC. No SoCon team looks better than borderline top-25 right now.

JMU's loss to Elon now looks worse than it did at the time, so that's why they fell below SDSU & Towson (SDSU also redeemed themselves a little from the scare against Indiana St.).
JMU's resume looks a little speculative right now. They've massacred everyone they've played except Elon, but Villanova's the only victim that's even decent. You could actually make an argument their resume isn't any better than Princeton's or Dartmouth's.

Why does JMU’s loss look worse now? Elon lost a close game to a top 25 team on the road without their starting QB and the best running back in the conference.

[Serpentor]

Where you have SHSU?

No SHSU?

https://media4.giphy.com/media/26BRQaiZM0IeyoJfa/200_s.gif

[mvemjsunpx]

Why does JMU’s loss look worse now? Elon lost a close game to a top 25 team on the road without their starting QB and the best running back in the conference.

The injury thing is fair, but Delaware wasn't a top-25 team at the time.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Where you have SHSU?

Let me preface this by saying I've always been fair to SHSU. If they keep winning things will take care of themselves. They along with (North Dakota, whom they lost to), URI, Chattanooga and Missouri State are the 2 loss team I don't have ranked. The one thing about SHSU is the fact they don't play McNeese State. Plus, they are 1-2 against UCA, Nicholls and UND. I'd love to see that game! Even so, 9-2, stay healthy and they'll be sniffing the Top 15 if not Top 10 by the end of the year.

[Derby City Duke]

Upon further review, I probably should have Towson and Stony Brook switched, but overall I like my poll for once

Disclaimer: I did not submit a poll last week -- so this reflects 2 weeks of results for me.

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/15/2018 7:16:46

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Elon Phoenix
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Towson Tigers
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: Princeton Tigers
18: Colgate Raiders
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
23: Missouri State Bears
24: Idaho State Bengals
25: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Florida A&M Rattlers
The Most Significant Loss: Wofford Terriers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[kalm]

To the people asking why Sam is ahead of Nicholls? The head to head was 5 weeks ago now. Things change. The Bearkats have turned things around and Nicholls has fallen a bit. Sam is now on a 3 game winnning streak and have their quarterback situation figured out. The defense is also improved. Meanwhile, the Colonels just lost to ACU. I thing H2H is very important...but things can change. No one is ranking UNI below Montana right?

People complain about JSU, yet they continue to appear in the Top 15. Basically anyone in the Top 25 has a better resume than the Coacks.

Agree with ya on JSU. From this point on, JSU and KSU should be staying level at best if not dropping in the polls as teams like Davis, Towson, or ISUr with only one more loss and noticeably better SoS's are picking up quality wins.

But I think you can make the same case between Nichols and Sam. Nichols has two wins better than any teams on Sam's entire schedule plus Nichols SoS is 33 while Sam's is at 59.

I had Sam at 22 and Nichols at 25 and now wish I would have flipped them. UCA should be ORV and UND, ISUo, and Missouri State should be ranked ahead of all 3 SLC's.

[JSUSoutherner]

Agree with ya on JSU. From this point on, JSU and KSU should be staying level at best if not dropping in the polls as teams like Davis, Towson, or ISUr with only one more loss and noticeably better SoS's are picking up quality wins.

But I think you can make the same case between Nichols and Sam. Nichols has two wins better than any teams on Sam's entire schedule plus Nichols SoS is 33 while Sam's is at 59.

I had Sam at 22 and Nichols at 25 and now wish I would have flipped them. UCA should be ORV and UND, ISUo, and Missouri State should be ranked ahead of all 3 SLC's.

Everyone keeps crying foul that other teams keep winning and JSU should be moving down but nobody wants to talk about the top 10 teams getting their butts handed to them.

In week three the top 15 looked like this:



1
North Dakota State Bison
2296
89
1


2
James Madison Dukes
2198
3
2


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2093

3


4
Kennesaw State Owls
1873

5


5
Eastern Washington Eagles
1817

4


6
North Carolina A&T Aggies
1811

6


7
Weber State Wildcats
1645

12


8
Maine Black Bears
1591

11


9
Wofford Terriers
1488

10


10
Illinois State Redbirds
1353

13


11
Elon Phoenix
1279

14


12
McNeese State Cowboys
1122

22


13
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1033

17


14
Central Arkansas Bears
949

18


15
Villanova Wildcats
901

9



Now you can say "X team shouldn't have been ranked wherever!" but hindsight is 20/20.

Now in week 4, JSU moved up two spots to #11 after beating TTU 48-20. But it was just TTU and TTU is dog**** so why did JSU move up? We moved up one spot because NC A&T lost to Morgan State and fell from 6 to 16. We leapfrogged McNeese who stayed steady at 12 after their loss to BYU however we were a measly 1 point above McNeese in voting that week. It was close. Very close.

Moving to week 5, we stayed steady at 11 after beating then #40 Austin Peay handedly. We were leapfrogged by McNeese who had a one score win over ORV SFA . UC Davis jumped 4 spots from 13 to 9 after beating Bye. Despite being leapfrogged by McNeese and UCD we stayed at 11 because Maine got booty blasted by Yale and ISUr lost to Missouri State.

In week 6 we moved up from 11 to 9 after beating EKU 56-7, but once again, who cares, its EKU. Well, remember that slim voting margin between McNeese and JSU? McNeese got taken to the wire by ACU that week. It could easily be argued that donkey stomping EKU at their place is more "impressive" than almost losing to ACU at home. The other spot JSU gained came via Weber's loss to a struggling NAU team.

Which brings us to this week. We held at 9 while being leaped by ISUr and Towson. How did we stay at 9 after being jumped by two teams? You can thank Wofford and Elon.

So guess what? Those three teams you said should be knocking us down, UC Davis, Towson, and ISUr, are already above JSU. We keep moving up because other teams ranked above us can't win games they should. It will be kind of hard for the three you mentioned to move us down more considering they are already above us.

[BEAR]

The UCA v. SHSU game was interesting.

UCA lost both their starting QB (broken ankle) and second string QB (shoulder injury- has yet to return. May be out entire season).

I believe the shoulder injury to our second QB may have been the reason in OT we couldn't score. (Not discounting the blocked FG).

But here's the kicker.

Since that game UCA's third string QB has taken over and played like he already has experience: Luke Hales.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29288&stc=1

Fans know he needs more experience but his stats line up with our first string QB Smith. Nice problem to have for the Bears after losing 2 QBs in ONE game. I also think that most Bearkat fans know that if Smith had not been injured there was a higher probability of us getting a TD. But we will never know. xlolx

I think we were ranked in the mid-teens before the two injuries to our QBs. Hales has proven he can keep us there.

[Daytripper]

The UCA v. SHSU game was interesting.

UCA lost both their starting QB (broken ankle) and second string QB (shoulder injury- has yet to return. May be out entire season).

I believe the shoulder injury to our second QB may have been the reason in OT we couldn't score. (Not discounting the blocked FG).

But here's the kicker.

Since that game UCA's third string QB has taken over and played like he already has experience: Luke Hales.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29288&stc=1

Fans know he needs more experience but his stats line up with our first string QB Smith. Nice problem to have for the Bears after losing 2 QBs in ONE game. I also think that most Bearkat fans know that if Smith had not been injured there was a higher probability of us getting a TD. But we will never know. xlolx

I think we were ranked in the mid-teens before the two injuries to our QBs. Hales has proven he can keep us there.

I will admit that if you hadn't lost your starting QB, it is very likely the outcome would have been different.

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The UCA v. SHSU game was interesting.

UCA lost both their starting QB (broken ankle) and second string QB (shoulder injury- has yet to return. May be out entire season).

I believe the shoulder injury to our second QB may have been the reason in OT we couldn't score. (Not discounting the blocked FG).

But here's the kicker.

Since that game UCA's third string QB has taken over and played like he already has experience: Luke Hales.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29288&stc=1

Fans know he needs more experience but his stats line up with our first string QB Smith. Nice problem to have for the Bears after losing 2 QBs in ONE game. I also think that most Bearkat fans know that if Smith had not been injured there was a higher probability of us getting a TD. But we will never know. xlolx

I think we were ranked in the mid-teens before the two injuries to our QBs. Hales has proven he can keep us there.

I will admit that if you hadn't lost your starting QB, it is very likely the outcome would have been different.

[BEAR]

I will admit that if you hadn't lost your starting QB, it is very likely the outcome would have been different.

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I will admit that if you hadn't lost your starting QB, it is very likely the outcome would have been different.

I think so too. Bearkats played out of their minds on defense. I was impressed. Both teams looked even that game. The difference was that injury to our second string QB in OT. He just couldn't get it done. Hope he heals up soon. If anything happens to Hales we need a good backup.

[kalm]

Everyone keeps crying foul that other teams keep winning and JSU should be moving down but nobody wants to talk about the top 10 teams getting their butts handed to them.

In week three the top 15 looked like this:



1
North Dakota State Bison
2296
89
1


2
James Madison Dukes
2198
3
2


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2093

3


4
Kennesaw State Owls
1873

5


5
Eastern Washington Eagles
1817

4


6
North Carolina A&T Aggies
1811

6


7
Weber State Wildcats
1645

12


8
Maine Black Bears
1591

11


9
Wofford Terriers
1488

10


10
Illinois State Redbirds
1353

13


11
Elon Phoenix
1279

14


12
McNeese State Cowboys
1122

22


13
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1033

17


14
Central Arkansas Bears
949

18


15
Villanova Wildcats
901

9



Now you can say "X team shouldn't have been ranked wherever!" but hindsight is 20/20.

Now in week 4, JSU moved up two spots to #11 after beating TTU 48-20. But it was just TTU and TTU is dog**** so why did JSU move up? We moved up one spot because NC A&T lost to Morgan State and fell from 6 to 16. We leapfrogged McNeese who stayed steady at 12 after their loss to BYU however we were a measly 1 point above McNeese in voting that week. It was close. Very close.

Moving to week 5, we stayed steady at 11 after beating then #40 Austin Peay handedly. We were leapfrogged by McNeese who had a one score win over ORV SFA . UC Davis jumped 4 spots from 13 to 9 after beating Bye. Despite being leapfrogged by McNeese and UCD we stayed at 11 because Maine got booty blasted by Yale and ISUr lost to Missouri State.

In week 6 we moved up from 11 to 9 after beating EKU 56-7, but once again, who cares, its EKU. Well, remember that slim voting margin between McNeese and JSU? McNeese got taken to the wire by ACU that week. It could easily be argued that donkey stomping EKU at their place is more "impressive" than almost losing to ACU at home. The other spot JSU gained came via Weber's loss to a struggling NAU team.

Which brings us to this week. We held at 9 while being leaped by ISUr and Towson. How did we stay at 9 after being jumped by two teams? You can thank Wofford and Elon.

So guess what? Those three teams you said should be knocking us down, UC Davis, Towson, and ISUr, are already above JSU. We keep moving up because other teams ranked above us can't win games they should. It will be kind of hard for the three you mentioned to move us down more considering they are already above us.

Relax. You make some good points and I was just using examples off the top of my head. FWIW, I have KSU at 7 and JSU at 11. Keep in mind, those teams “getting their butts handed to them” are not playing the EKU’s of the world either. I’d also lump McNeese and to a lesser extent, the SoCon front runners in there with ya.

[HensRock]

OK, I'm just going to come out and say it...
I don't get the love for Kennesaw State.
Yes, they're 6-1 with a loss to a very bad FBS team (Georgia State).
They're "signature" win is against 3-4 Samford who while ranked earlier in the season, has since completely fallen off the charts.
They have BY FAR the softest schedule of any Top 25 team. (As if the Big South "gauntlet" was too challenging, they go and schedule Clark Atlanta ??? c'mon Man!)

They might be a great team, but I just don't see how a top 5 ranking is justified with their body of work.

[Professor Chaos]

OK, I'm just going to come out and say it...
I don't get the love for Kennesaw State.
Yes, they're 6-1 with a loss to a very bad FBS team (Georgia State).
They're "signature" win is against 3-4 Samford who while ranked earlier in the season, has since completely fallen off the charts.
They have BY FAR the softest schedule of any Top 25 team. (As if the Big South "gauntlet" was too challenging, they go and schedule Clark Atlanta ??? c'mon Man!)

They might be a great team, but I just don't see how a top 5 ranking is justified with their body of work.
I have them at #6 but I still have the same reasoning with them that I had a few weeks ago when I had them slightly higher. They're doing what a top 5-10 team should do with their schedule. The average margin of victory in those 5 wins outside of Samford is 48 points. The main reason they still get the benefit of the doubt for me (whereas I'm skeptical of a team like Princeton) is due to last year's playoffs when they beat Samford and Jacksonville St on their way to the quarterfinals and have essentially everyone back from that team.

I do agree that their schedule does hurt them. I have 3 teams with FCS losses (SDSU, JMU, and Elon) in front of them because of the fact that they haven't beaten anyone all that good.

[mvemjsunpx]

OK, I'm just going to come out and say it...
I don't get the love for Kennesaw State.
Yes, they're 6-1 with a loss to a very bad FBS team (Georgia State).
They're "signature" win is against 3-4 Samford who while ranked earlier in the season, has since completely fallen off the charts.
They have BY FAR the softest schedule of any Top 25 team. (As if the Big South "gauntlet" was too challenging, they go and schedule Clark Atlanta ??? c'mon Man!)

They might be a great team, but I just don't see how a top 5 ranking is justified with their body of work.

Their schedule is weak, but they've waxed every FCS team they've played except Samford (won by 14). If you thought they were a top-5 team in the preseason (like me), nothing's happened that would change your mind. That does mean, however, that a loss—or even a questionable performance—could drop them a bit more than a loss for an average top-25 team would.

The Sagarins have them 7th. among FCS teams, for whatever that's worth.

[POD Knows]

OK, I'm just going to come out and say it...
I don't get the love for Kennesaw State.
Yes, they're 6-1 with a loss to a very bad FBS team (Georgia State).
They're "signature" win is against 3-4 Samford who while ranked earlier in the season, has since completely fallen off the charts.
They have BY FAR the softest schedule of any Top 25 team. (As if the Big South "gauntlet" was too challenging, they go and schedule Clark Atlanta ??? c'mon Man!)

They might be a great team, but I just don't see how a top 5 ranking is justified with their body of work.I tend agree with this, I had them pretty high to start with and there were a few teams I had behind them that stumbled a little bit but have come back, I think clearly that Cal Davis and Illinois State should probably be ahead of them and probably Towson as well. I am going to look a lot harder at this in the next poll.

[Daytripper]

Their schedule is weak, but they've waxed every FCS team they've played except Samford (won by 14). If you thought they were a top-5 team in the preseason (like me), nothing's happened that would change your mind. That does mean, however, that a loss—or even a questionable performance—could drop them a bit more than a loss for an average top-25 team would.

The Sagarins have them 7th. among FCS teams, for whatever that's worth.

This is very close to my reasoning, also.

[HensRock]

I think we need to ask ourselves, how many of the other Top 25 teams would be 7-0 against Kennesaw's schedule to date?
I'd say most of them.

@Georgia State
@Tennessee Tech
Alabama State
Clark Atlanta
Samford
Presbyterian
@Gardner-Webb

Home games in Bold

[Cocky]

OK, I'm just going to come out and say it...
I don't get the love for Kennesaw State.
Yes, they're 6-1 with a loss to a very bad FBS team (Georgia State).
They're "signature" win is against 3-4 Samford who while ranked earlier in the season, has since completely fallen off the charts.
They have BY FAR the softest schedule of any Top 25 team. (As if the Big South "gauntlet" was too challenging, they go and schedule Clark Atlanta ??? c'mon Man!)

They might be a great team, but I just don't see how a top 5 ranking is justified with their body of work.

I understand the SOS but who are southern team expected to schedule? Delaware plays the "gauntlet" Lafayette and Cornell in OOC. Cant give you much hell with NDSU. KSU does play JSU and Samford (also the GSU FBS game)which are probably about as good of FCS matchups you can hope for in the South. Conferences in the South suck but you need to be in one of them. SOCON has the most depth but dont see either KSU or JSU being asked to join. If so you would have a solid conferences in the South.

Not sure of KSU future schedule but I do know JSU has a difficult time scheduling quality opponents. MVC and CAA teams have enough quality in conference which doesnt produce a need for a quality OOC opponent. Some do still play those games but there is no need. NDSU with its attendance has no need to travel which eliminates the Bison as a potential candidate. For us it come down to Chattanooga and Kennesaw as quality southern teams we can schedule. Had a series with Furman but I believe its been cancelled. Hopefully TUNA will grow into a good opponent for Kennesaw and us.

Im not saying KSU should be top 5 just a team doesnt suck because their opponents suck. Also not sure there are 5 teams who have separated themselves from the pack which will create more than 5 legitimately vying for those spots. Great thing about FCS its hard to argue the best team doesnt come out the champ. Most, if not more than, deserving teams get in the playoffs. If an undeserving high seed loses the home field advantage moves to the next highest seed. If history repeats itself hope you get in JSUs bracket.

[HensRock]

1. The Hens have 5 ranked opponents on their schedule but that's irrelevant because this is not about Delaware.
2. I never said KSU "sucked" just because they're schedule sucks.

Now to your question, Who should they schedule?
How about NOT Clark Atlanta
How about North Alabama?
How about Wofford?
Furman?
The Citadel?
SC State?
Georgia Southern or Coastal Carolina instead of Georgia State?
Elon?
UTC?
Jacksonville (FL)?


Plenty of decent teams in the Southeast.

[SU DOG]

Cocky, that is a great post. I don't know what KSU will do in the remainder of this season, but those that don't respect them are those that haven't played them. The JSU/KSU game late this year will be one to watch. Personally, I vote for both in the top 5 on my ballot. I currently have KSU at #4 and JSU at #5. That may change, and there is plenty of reason to attack my rankings, but that is the way I see it right now. I don't have my own team listed in the top 25, but hope to see us back in there sometimes soon if we can overcome numerous defensive injuries from early in the season.

[McNeese75]

Although KSU's schedule may be somewhat lackluster, from what I have seen of them on TV they are a dangerous team and could romp against ANY team that cannot play assignment football against the option.

[HensRock]

I understand the challenges of scheduling OOC games.
The only game on their schedule that I really have a problem with is Clark Atlanta, and to be fair to KSU, maybe this was a game schedule years in advance and they kept their commitment which I would commend.
But I think in the future, if KSU wants to be a national player at this level, they need to schedule some tougher teams. I mentioned North Alabama earlier. Now there is a good up-and-coming program that I'll bet would be very interested in scheduling some quality FCS opponents in the southeast like KSU.

The schedule is what it is. Nothing KSU can do now but play to it. My point was (and still is) that KSU has not really been TESTED yet. And it looks like they won't be until the end of the season when they play Jax State. Professor Chaos drew the analogy to Princeton above, and I think it's valid. KSU might be a Top 5 team - they might not. We don't know with that schedule. Many are willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think there are other teams that would be 7-0 against that schedule right now. #5-#10 for instance.

[ksu_owls]

I understand the challenges of scheduling OOC games.
The only game on their schedule that I really have a problem with is Clark Atlanta, and to be fair to KSU, maybe this was a game schedule years in advance and they kept their commitment which I would commend.
But I think in the future, if KSU wants to be a national player at this level, they need to schedule some tougher teams. I mentioned North Alabama earlier. Now there is a good up-and-coming program that I'll bet would be very interested in scheduling some quality FCS opponents in the southeast like KSU.

The schedule is what it is. Nothing KSU can do now but play to it. My point was (and still is) that KSU has not really been TESTED yet. And it looks like they won't be until the end of the season when they play Jax State. Professor Chaos drew the analogy to Princeton above, and I think it's valid. KSU might be a Top 5 team - they might not. We don't know with that schedule. Many are willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think there are other teams that would be 7-0 against that schedule right now. #5-#10 for instance.

I share a similar frustration with you, to be honest. I hope our SOS is directly correlated with us being in our 4th year as a program and our intentions are to add more quality opponents each year (although it is fun to score 70 points on Clark lol). I hate we lost to Ga State because that was a legit FBS Bowl winning team that has an extremely talented mobile QB and we pissed away a two score lead. If we beat JSU in November, I think we should be seeded... maybe that's not fair? But until we stumble I don't see why we should move down.

[ST_Lawson]

But I think in the future, if KSU wants to be a national player at this level, they need to schedule some tougher teams. I mentioned North Alabama earlier. Now there is a good up-and-coming program that I'll bet would be very interested in scheduling some quality FCS opponents in the southeast like KSU.

Your overall point is correct, but won't KSU be playing UNA every year anyway since they'll both be in the Big South?

I'd imagine it's gotta be tough scheduling so many open dates, with so few Big South teams, and trying to make them all be FCS or FBS, and getting some good FCS teams in there, etc.
They do have Jacksonville State at the end, and looks like they tried a mix of Ohio Valley (JSU and TTU), Southern (Samford), nearby FBS (GA State), and regional SWAC (Alabama State) teams. When you're scheduling a few years in advance, you can't always tell who's going to be really good and who isn't by then. I mean, I think most people expected Samford to be decent, right?...10th in the preseason poll, really good QB...not many people expected them to be in the lower half of the SoCon, I think.

I think that really, if they could just replace the DII with another FCS, they'd be fine. Sometimes that's easier said that done though.

[Thumper 76]

Cocky, that is a great post. I don't know what KSU will do in the remainder of this season, but those that don't respect them are those that haven't played them. The JSU/KSU game late this year will be one to watch. Personally, I vote for both in the top 5 on my ballot. I currently have KSU at #4 and JSU at #5. That may change, and there is plenty of reason to attack my rankings, but that is the way I see it right now. I don't have my own team listed in the top 25, but hope to see us back in there sometimes soon if we can overcome numerous defensive injuries from early in the season.

How can you have JSU at 5 with that bad of a loss to NCA&T?


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[Cocky]

1. The Hens have 5 ranked opponents on their schedule but that's irrelevant because this is not about Delaware.
2. I never said KSU "sucked" just because they're schedule sucks.

Now to your question, Who should they schedule?
How about NOT Clark Atlanta
How about North Alabama?
How about Wofford?
Furman?
The Citadel?
SC State?
Georgia Southern or Coastal Carolina instead of Georgia State?
Elon?
UTC?
Jacksonville (FL)?


Plenty of decent teams in the Southeast.
KSU has several dates for OOC which makes it difficult. Clark is probably a good gate. Not much football.
TUNA will be a regular soon and should close up a OOC date
Getting other SOCON teams to schedule is hard for us and Im sure hard for KSU
Jacksonville isnt real good either
GSUs 2017 was 5-3 in the Sunbelt while GaSo and Coastal were 2-6. KSU got the best of the three just the team changed from last years performance. GSU is 4th in the SB this year only loss to troy state. GaSo is 3-0 but the opponents have won 1 conference game. Coastal 1-2 beat ULaLa and loses to troy state and ULM (only conference win). Didnt realize how bad the SB plays might should have played Clark twice.

[MR. CHICKEN]

I understand the SOS but who are southern team expected to schedule? Delaware plays the "gauntlet" Lafayette and Cornell in OOC. Cant give you much hell with NDSU. KSU does play JSU and Samford (also the GSU FBS game)which are probably about as good of FCS matchups you can hope for in the South. Conferences in the South suck but you need to be in one of them. SOCON has the most depth but dont see either KSU or JSU being asked to join. If so you would have a solid conferences in the South.

Not sure of KSU future schedule but I do know JSU has a difficult time scheduling quality opponents. MVC and CAA teams have enough quality in conference which doesnt produce a need for a quality OOC opponent. Some do still play those games but there is no need. NDSU with its attendance has no need to travel which eliminates the Bison as a potential candidate. For us it come down to Chattanooga and Kennesaw as quality southern teams we can schedule. Had a series with Furman but I believe its been cancelled. Hopefully TUNA will grow into a good opponent for Kennesaw and us.

Im not saying KSU should be top 5 just a team doesnt suck because their opponents suck. Also not sure there are 5 teams who have separated themselves from the pack which will create more than 5 legitimately vying for those spots. Great thing about FCS its hard to argue the best team doesnt come out the champ. Most, if not more than, deserving teams get in the playoffs. If an undeserving high seed loses the home field advantage moves to the next highest seed. If history repeats itself hope you get in JSUs bracket.


.....DELAWARE'S SKED...IS 18th TOUGHEST........JAX STATE....92nd.........AH THINK.....CORNY/LAFFY........ARE WELCOME RELIEF..........NOT EVERAH-BODYS AD......IS AS SUICIDAL.....AS...NORFFERN IOWA'S........BRAWK1

[caribbeanhen]

Although KSU's schedule may be somewhat lackluster, from what I have seen of them on TV they are a dangerous team and could romp against ANY team that cannot play assignment football against the option.


AGS whipping boy Sammy beat Kennesaw State in the playoffs last year, I've been saying all year the love for Kennesaw is blind

[McNeese75]

AGS whipping boy Sammy beat Kennesaw State in the playoffs last year, I've been saying all year the love for Kennesaw is blind

That "whipping boy" has been going to the semi's pretty regularly lately so I don't think that was a knock on KSU. Let's put it this way, IF KSU were to show up at the Tub, I am betting on them. Maybe the same if they show up in Lake Charles. Their game on November 17th will probably tell the tale.

[caribbeanhen]

That "whipping boy" has been going to the semi's pretty regularly lately so I don't think that was a knock on KSU. Let's put it this way, IF KSU were to show up at the Tub, I am betting on them. Maybe the same if they show up in Lake Charles. Their game on November 17th will probably tell the tale.

Kennesaw should be undefeated going into that game and will breeze into the playoffs win or lose against Jacksonville St, so a nice game it is but means little....

I would glady welcome Kennesaw State into the Tub for a post thanksgiving day game, that would be a good one I think, Hens might get back to the playoffs one of these years, put Kenny in the CAA or the MVFC or even against Princeton or Dartmouth and well see if they are actually a good team

[McNeese75]

The depth of the CAA and MVFC make it tough for any team. Princeton and Dartmouth I just don't buy into regardless of all the hoopla being thrown around about world class RB's and QB's (reminds me of the here today, gone tomorrow San Diego fans a few years ago). At least With KSU they will be tested at some point this year.

[ksu_owls]

AGS whipping boy Sammy beat Kennesaw State in the playoffs last year, I've been saying all year the love for Kennesaw is blind

I would argue we are improved from last year. That 7 point loss, which was the worst of our season, definitely sucked but it showed us just how close we were to the semi's as a third year program. When you look at the Top 15 I believe Kennesaw has about as good a shot to make the semis as anyone not named NDSU/JMU/SDSU. Nothing is guaranteed but I know we are capable and have not done much to make people think otherwise so far this season.

[JSUSoutherner]

How can you have JSU at 5 with that bad of a loss to NCA&T?


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Loss was a fluke.

[caribbeanhen]

The depth of the CAA and MVFC make it tough for any team. Princeton and Dartmouth I just don't buy into regardless of all the hoopla being thrown around about world class RB's and QB's (reminds me of the here today, gone tomorrow San Diego fans a few years ago). At least With KSU they will be tested at some point this year.

I think Dartmouth and Princeton hoopla is warranted to some extent, why do I say that, just watch some of the video of teams, lots of talent and even on Defense, never that impressed with San Diego

KSU will get there shot, I think that weak conference is going to hurt them a bit come playoff time.... they get the right bracket though they can make the Semis

[HensRock]

...Their game on November 17th will probably tell the tale.

This goes back to my point. We have to wait until the last game of the regular season to get a read on them. Until then we're flying blind as to where to rank them.

[Daytripper]

This goes back to my point. We have to wait until the last game of the regular season to get a read on them. Until then we're flying blind as to where to rank them.

I'm thinking that the loser of the JSU v. KSU game at the end of the season should completely drop out of the poll. You know, just to watch the meltdown.

[ksu_owls]

I'm thinking that the loser of the JSU v. KSU game at the end of the season should completely drop out of the poll. You know, just to watch the meltdown.

As long as it's JSU that loses I'm cool with this!

[Bison56]

I'm thinking that the loser of the JSU v. KSU game at the end of the season should completely drop out of the poll. You know, just to watch the meltdown.

If JSU wins prepare for a flood of fans claiming they deserve a top 2 seed.

[ksu_owls]

If JSU wins prepare for a flood of fans claiming they deserve a top 2 seed.

If KSU wins prepare for me to still claim that we are only Top 10 and probably not Top 5 but I still want a week one bye for playoffs.

[Cocky]

If JSU wins prepare for a flood of fans claiming they deserve a top 2 seed.

Should be No 1

[JSUSoutherner]

Should be No 1
Tell em, Cocky!

[POD Knows]

Should be No 1If NDSU loses a game and JSU wins out, there will be people calling for JSU to be #1, bookit

[JSUSoutherner]

If NDSU loses a game and JSU wins out, there will be people calling for JSU to be #1, bookit
Just like if JSU loses to KSU NDSU fans will be calling for the OVC to lose its autobid.

[POD Knows]

Just like if JSU loses to KSU NDSU fans will be calling for the OVC to lose its autobid.Well, yea, that goes without saying.

[Thumper 76]

Loss was a fluke.

Fluke or not, that bad of a loss should put you behind at least five teams....


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[JSUSoutherner]

Fluke or not, that bad of a loss should put you behind at least five teams....


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We are currently behind 8 of them so I don't see the issue here.

[Thumper 76]

We are currently behind 8 of them so I don't see the issue here.

Well what you responded to was me questioning someone having them in their top 5.....


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[JSUSoutherner]

Well what you responded to was me questioning someone having them in their top 5.....


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We shouldn't be top 5. But the NC A&T loss isn't the sole reason we shouldn't be there.

[caribbeanhen]

Fluke or not, that bad of a loss should put you behind at least five teams....


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behind 5 teams in the CAA?

[Thumper 76]

We shouldn't be top 5. But the NC A&T loss isn't the sole reason we shouldn't be there.

From a resume standpoint it is.


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[JSUSoutherner]

From a resume standpoint it is.


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Basing resumes purely off W/L is bogus.

Valley fans scream this sentiment every year to justify getting 6-5 teams in the playoffs. It's all about how the team is performing. Think about Elon, like JSU, they have 1 FCS loss and they have a win over James Friggin Madison. So why not rank Elon above JSU? Because the W/L doesn't tell the whole story.

[Thumper 76]

Basing resumes purely off W/L is bogus.

Valley fans scream this sentiment every year to justify getting 6-5 teams in the playoffs. It's all about how the team is performing. Think about Elon, like JSU, they have 1 FCS loss and they have a win over James Friggin Madison. So why not rank Elon above JSU? Because the W/L doesn't tell the whole story.

Sure, let’s go 100% eye test. Princeton and Dartmouth for the top 3!!!!


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[JSUSoutherner]

Sure, let’s go 100% eye test. Princeton and Dartmouth for the top 3!!!!


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I never mentioned the eye test but going purely off stats is just as idiotic as going purley off W/L. I know you know this so I'm kind of curious why we are even having this conversation.

[TheKingpin28]

Sure, let’s go 100% eye test. Princeton and Dartmouth for the top 3!!!!


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[Thumper 76]

Don't give the user that shall not be named a reason to jump into this thread as well.

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You gotta say it three times. Like Beetlejuice.


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[TheKingpin28]

You gotta say it three times. Like Beetlejuice.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI do not want proof for this. xlolx

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[Katfan]

Don't give the user that shall not be named a reason to jump into this thread as well.

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Who in the world would that be!

[JSUSoutherner]

Princeton sux.

xthumbsupx

[TheKingpin28]

Who in the world would that be!You trying to ruin a perfectly good thread about why Casey's Breakfast Pizza with sausage is the best around?

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[JSUSoutherner]

You trying to ruin a perfectly good thread about why Casey's Breakfast Pizza with sausage is the best around?

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QT Breakfast Pizza > Casey's Breakfast Pizza

[Cocky]

If NDSU loses a game and JSU wins out, there will be people calling for JSU to be #1, bookit

No way Im 100% we should be No 1 vs an undefeated NDSU.

[TheKingpin28]

QT Breakfast Pizza > Casey's Breakfast PizzaThat's gr8 b8 m8, I'd r8 that 8/8.

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[JSUSoutherner]

That's gr8 b8 m8, I'd r8 that 8/8.

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No bait. Just facts.

[TheKingpin28]

No bait. Just facts.How badly do you want to rile up the masses on here?

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[JSUSoutherner]

How badly do you want to rile up the masses on here?

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My gas station pizza is better than your gas station pizza.

[Bison56]

QT Breakfast Pizza > Casey's Breakfast Pizza

Wow and to think I thought we could be friends.

[caribbeanhen]

You gotta say it three times. Like Beetlejuice.


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three times?

Im thinking Jim Morrison and the Doors

followed up by Tony Orlando.... haha

[POD Knows]

three times?

Im thinking Jim Morrison and the Doors

followed up by Tony Orlando.... hahaWhich Door's song are you referring to, "Love Me Two Times" is a Door's song.

[caribbeanhen]

Which Door's song are you referring to, "Love Me Two Times" is a Door's song.

oh that's right, it was only 2 times..... that was before viagra though....

my daughter had a poster of Jim Morrison in her room, I knew then she was destined for trouble

[JSUSoutherner]

Wow and to think I thought we could be friends.

Wow and to think you thought we could actually be friends.

[POD Knows]

oh that's right, it was only 2 times..... that was before viagra though....

my daughter had a poster of Jim Morrison in her room, I knew then she was destined for troubleI hated the Door's music when I was growing up, it didn't rock hard enough but I like them now.

[RootinFerDukes]

Are there any AGS top 40 teams that have 2 or more FBS games this season other than Maine and Idaho State? It's important to take multiple FBS losses in consideration when voting and I just realized ISU could suffer their 2nd FBS loss of the season today. Maine has one FBS win and one loss.

[grizband]

Are there any AGS top 40 teams that have 2 or more FBS games this season other than Maine and Idaho State? It's important to take multiple FBS losses in consideration when voting and I just realized ISU could suffer their 2nd FBS loss of the season today. Maine has one FBS win and one loss.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Idaho State beat Liberty today; they currently lead by 3 at halftime.

[Bison56]

Wow and to think you thought we could actually be friends.

xlolx ouch

[JSUSoutherner]

PSA: If you have JSU ranked after today you should have your voting privilege revoked.

[kdinva]

I stopped reading your poll after #3.

Garbage.

now I understand your frustration in my placement of Jax State.......

[JSUSoutherner]

now I understand your frustration in my placement of Jax State.......

Do ya?

[Cocky]

JSU took care of the issue regarding their ranking. The paper lion has been tamed.

[katss07]

Sam
Houston
BIG
Suckey

[Cocky]

Sam
Houston
BIG
Suckey

JSU and Sam should play in the Sucking Classic Game.

[katss07]

JSU and Sam should play in the Sucking Classic Game.
That’d be fun. November 24th good for you guys? I’m sure thats an open date for us.

We can call it the Underachievers Bowl!

[Cocky]

Heck Im in.

New Orleans, should be plenty of paper bags with holes left from the Aints.

[JSUSoutherner]

That’d be fun. November 24th good for you guys? I’m sure thats an open date for us.

We can call it the Underachievers Bowl!

Les fuggin goooooooo!

[clenz]

Hey guys. Remember head to head matters

UNI needs to be ahead of SDSU


UNI beat them by 2 TDS
UNI beat ISUb 33-0 on the road on a short week after ISUb had a bye leading into it
SDSU beat ISUb by 3 in OT and gave up 51 in the process



Can’t wait to see people justify SDSU ahead of UNI.

🙄😂🤣


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[JMUNJ08]

JSU and Sam should play in the Sucking Classic Game.

We all know the STATS and Coaches polls will still have both in the top 15 while AGS will have them 20th to ORV...

[FargoBison]

We all know the STATS and Coaches polls will still have both in the top 15 while AGS will have them 20th to ORV...

Yep...JSU top 10 in the coaches and SHSU top 20 is my lead pipe lock of the week.

[JSUSoutherner]

We all know the STATS and Coaches polls will still have both in the top 15 while AGS will have them 20th to ORV...

I mean it's not a secret both of those polls are terribad.

Like I said, any AGS voter that votes for JSU should be banned from voting.

[caribbeanhen]

Hey guys. Remember head to head matters

UNI needs to be ahead of SDSU


UNI beat them by 2 TDS
UNI beat ISUb 33-0 on the road on a short week after ISUb had a bye leading into it
SDSU beat ISUb by 3 in OT and gave up 51 in the process



Can’t wait to see people justify SDSU ahead of UNI.

藍


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I had N Iowa at 13 last week, I can pull this off without much of a problem

[Cocky]

Just dont see JSU being in my poll this week. We do have a fair amount talent everywhere but OL. Coaching seems to be our issue, but they are part of the team.

[Cocky]

I had N Iowa at 13 last week, I can pull this off without much of a problem
Didnt have UNI quite that high but I hadnt bought into the SDSU is a top team either. I should and probably will have UNI higher.

[grizband]

Jacksonville State might not be a top 10 team, but can you really rank 25 FCS teams ahead of them?

[Cocky]

Jacksonville State might not be a top 10 team, but can you really rank 25 FCS teams ahead of them?
The way scores are coming in I dont know. Several of my teams are not having a good day.

[RootinFerDukes]

Jacksonville State might not be a top 10 team, but can you really rank 25 FCS teams ahead of them?

My thoughts exactly. They may just hang around due to a lack of other quality options.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Hey guys. Remember head to head matters

UNI needs to be ahead of SDSU


UNI beat them by 2 TDS
UNI beat ISUb 33-0 on the road on a short week after ISUb had a bye leading into it
SDSU beat ISUb by 3 in OT and gave up 51 in the process



Can’t wait to see people justify SDSU ahead of UNI.

藍


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Well considering most people probably had SDSU really high and UNI low or not ranked....UNI deserves to be ranked higher but it was a long gap between them.

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Hey guys. Remember head to head matters

UNI needs to be ahead of SDSU


UNI beat them by 2 TDS
UNI beat ISUb 33-0 on the road on a short week after ISUb had a bye leading into it
SDSU beat ISUb by 3 in OT and gave up 51 in the process



Can’t wait to see people justify SDSU ahead of UNI.

藍


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Well considering most people probably had SDSU really high and UNI low or not ranked....UNI deserves to be ranked higher but it was a long gap between them.

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Hey guys. Remember head to head matters

UNI needs to be ahead of SDSU


UNI beat them by 2 TDS
UNI beat ISUb 33-0 on the road on a short week after ISUb had a bye leading into it
SDSU beat ISUb by 3 in OT and gave up 51 in the process



Can’t wait to see people justify SDSU ahead of UNI.

藍


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Well considering most people probably had SDSU really high and UNI low or not ranked....UNI deserves to be ranked higher but it was a long gap between them.

[POD Knows]

Christ. I might have to move some Ivy’s into my poll this week.

[LehighU11]

This week's poll might be the toughest one ever. Absolute carnage everywhere. The parity within the CAA, Southland, Big Sky, MVFC, and even the SoCon is incredible. Oh yeah, and the Patriot League, too, where everyone but Colgate is awful.

[RootinFerDukes]

I’m in a real predicament with my poll guys.

I’ve learned that slot voting is a no no and that in the MVFC, every loss is really a moral victory.

Therefore, I think SDSU stays as my #2.

[Bison56]

I’m in a real predicament with my poll guys.

I’ve learned that slot voting is a no no and that in the MVFC, every loss is really a moral victory.

Therefore, I think SDSU stays as my #2.

Maybe the best team didnt win, or maybe they just beat themselves.29320

[caribbeanhen]

Jacksonville State might not be a top 10 team, but can you really rank 25 FCS teams ahead of them?

yes

[No_Skill]

Maybe the best team didnt win, or maybe they just beat themselves.http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29320&stc=1

Is that a box of white surrender streamers?

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Maybe the best team didnt win, or maybe they just beat themselves.http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29320&stc=1

Is that a box of white surrender streamers?

[caribbeanhen]

Christ. I might have to move some Ivy’s into my poll this week.

better late than never, actually I expected Princeton to beat Harvard up a bit more today

[World]

How far down will McNesee State drop as it gets destroyed by unranked Incarnate Word


Incarnate Word - 45
McNeese State - 17

[Thumper 76]

or maybe they just beat themselves.29320
You leave my morning routine out of this



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[Thumper 76]

Oh. SDSU has to bomb hard after this. The resume is nothing. No good wins. None. They have a massive number of injuries to the O line and pretty much everywhere else. Have to get some wins that prove them worthy of a ranking at this point.


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[Bison56]

You leave my morning routine out of this



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xlolx

[POD Knows]

better late than never, actually I expected Princeton to beat Harvard up a bit more today
I watched some of that Harvard Princeton game. Sorry. I just don’t get the allure.

[McNeese72]

If any of you guys rank McNeese at all next week, you are fricking crazy. We will be lucky to win any of our last four games if we keep playing like we have been the last few weeks.

Doc

[caribbeanhen]

I watched some of that Harvard Princeton game. Sorry. I just don’t get the allure.

so did I, expected more out of Princeton really, Harvard probably played best game of season though

[POD Knows]

so did I, expected more out of Princeton really, Harvard probably played best game of season though
I might sneak Princeton in. I don’t know.

[Cocky]

Can we have an exception week and only rank 10? Not sure they are 25 teams deserving.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Holy ****balls, WTF are you people still arguing about?! xlolx

[grizband]

Holy ****balls, WTF are you people still arguing about?! xlolxEverything...?

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[World]

so did I, expected more out of Princeton really, Harvard probably played best game of season though

Yes, fully agree

Although Harvard is a decent team, very disappointed in the Princeton team performance against Harvard, particularly when compared to the first five games

That Harvard defensive line was putting a lot of pressure on the QB

and the passes just weren't clicking like they were in the first five games...

The QB had a cast on his left arm and wrist. Sometimes that throws the balance and rhythm off, but didn't make a difference because of the great pressure from the defense. His 2 TD, 252 yards passing and rushing performance would be considered good but not by what we have been observing in his first four games (he missed the last game due to the wrist/arm injury)

[JSUSoutherner]

Jacksonville State might not be a top 10 team, but can you really rank 25 FCS teams ahead of them?

Where there's a will there's a way.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Everything...?

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Trudat Holmes. It's awesome. xlolx

I wasn't paying close attention for a couple days so when I came back and saw this thread and the pgs. I'd have to catch up on I basically said "**** that" and posted my comment to see if I could get Cliffs and you probably nailed down as good as it could be done.

[grizband]

Trudat Holmes. It's awesome. xlolx

I wasn't paying close attention for a couple days so when I came back and saw this thread and the pgs. I'd have to catch up on I basically said "**** that" and posted my comment to see if I could get Cliffs and you probably nailed down as good as it could be done.
I haven't been following super close, but from what I gather people have been arguing about everything possible in this thread. I love this place!

[kalm]

Are there any AGS top 40 teams that have 2 or more FBS games this season other than Maine and Idaho State? It's important to take multiple FBS losses in consideration when voting and I just realized ISU could suffer their 2nd FBS loss of the season today. Maine has one FBS win and one loss.

Davis is 1-1, beating SJSU and losing to Stanford.

[RootinFerDukes]

Oh. SDSU has to bomb hard after this. The resume is nothing. No good wins. None. They have a massive number of injuries to the O line and pretty much everywhere else. Have to get some wins that prove them worthy of a ranking at this point.


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No. UNI only lost to NDSU by a modest blowout, so they’re a good team and this loss can easily be excused as a battle to the end worthy of the second best team in a conference second only to the SEC. Indiana State would beat Clemson. Yeah, I said it.

[RootinFerDukes]

Holy ****balls, WTF are you people still arguing about?! xlolx

Moral Victory Football Conference fans are trying to tell me to not rank SDSU #2 and it’s frankly rude.

[RootinFerDukes]

Davis is 1-1, beating SJSU and losing to Stanford.

Thank you. I just want to look out for those 0-2 vs FBS. You shouldn’t get a pass on all FBS losses just because your program is chasing a paycheck.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Moral Victory Football Conference fans are trying to tell me to not rank SDSU #2 and it’s frankly rude.


Rank your puppy dogs #1, they are far above the rest of the FCS....xnodx

[TheKingpin28]

Rank your puppy dogs #1, they are far above the rest of the FCS....xnodx

That is complete disrespect to John Lovett and THE Princeton Tigers, God's gift to mankind.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

That is complete disrespect to John Lovett and THE Princeton Tigers, God's gift to mankind.


xlolx