FCS National Awards Watch- Oct 15

[smallcollegefbfan]

Below is my updated list.

FCS NATIONAL AWARDS WATCH- OCT 15

2018 PAYTON CANDIDATES
QB Chandler Burks, Kennesaw State, Sr.- 35-59, 547 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT, 59.3%, 78.1ypg, 161.8 pass eff, 94 carries, 516 yards, 5.5ypc, 17 TD, 73.7ypg in 7 games.
QB Taryn Christion, South Dakota State, Sr.- 80-119, 1160 yards, 16 TD, 1 INT, 67.2%, 232ypg, 191.8 pass eff, 34 carries, 129 yards, 3 TD in 5 games.
RB Ra’Quanne Dickens, Incarnate Word, Sr.- 84 carries, 675 yards, 8.0ypc, 9 TD, 112.5ypg, 9 catches, 83 yards in 6 games.
WR Jequez Ezzard, Howard, Jr.- 31 catches, 737 yards, 26.3ypc, 8 TD, 147.4ypg, 1 carry, 15 yards, 4 PR, 32 yards in 5 games.
QB Tom Flacco, Towson, Jr.- 135-197, 1670 yards, 15 TD, 5 INT, 68.5%, 278.3ypg, 159.79 pass eff, 82 carries, 435 yards, 5.3ypc, 2 TD, 72.5ypg in 6 games.
RB Ryan Fulse, Wagner, Sr.- 180 carries, 1028 yards, 5.7ypc, 6 TD, 146.9ypg, 13 catches, 162 yards in 7 games.
QB Gage Gubrud, Eastern Washington, Sr.- 99-160, 1416 yards, 13 TD, 5 INT, 61.9%, 283.2ypg, 156.8 pass eff, 31 carries, 169 yards, 2 TD in 5 games.
QB Devlin Hodges, Samford, Sr.- 236-335, 2674 yards, 24 TD, 12 INT, 70.4%, 382ypg, 154 pass eff, 47 carries, 177 yards, 3 TD in 7 games.
WR Alexander Hollins, Eastern Illinois, Sr.- 62 catches, 814 yards, 13.1ypc, 12 TD, 116.3ypg in 7 games.
WR Jesper Horsted, Princeton, Sr.- 35 catches, 541 yards, 15.5ypc, 8 TD, 108.2ypg in 5 games.
RB Ja’Quan Keys, Indiana State, Sr.- 125 carries, 792 yards, 6.3ypc, 11 TD, 132ypg, 4 catches, 24 yards in 6 games.
QB Anthony Lawrence, San Diego, Sr.- 143-226, 2039 yards, 16 TD, 4 INT, 63.3%, 339.8ypg, 158.9 pass eff, 19 carries, 74 yards, 2 TD in 6 games.
QB John Lovett, Princeton, Sr.- 64-97, 932 yards, 12 TD, 66%, 233ypg, 187.5 pass eff, 45 carries, 404 yards, 6 TD, 101ypg in 4 games.
QB Jake Maier, UC Davis, Jr.- 176-275, 1960 yards, 16 TD, 3 INT, 64%, 326.7ypg, 140.9 pass eff, 16 carries, -45 yards in 6 games.
WR Kelvin McKnight, Samford, Sr.- 63 catches, 880 yards, 14.0avg, 7 TD, 125.7ypg in 7 games.
WR Bryce Nunnelly, Chattanooga, Soph.- 52 catches, 817 yards, 15.7ypc, 6 TD, 116.7ypg, 1 carry, 6 yards in 7 games.
WR Josh Pearson, Jacksonville State, Jr.- 31 catches, 604 yards, 19.5ypc, 11 TD, 100.7ypg in 6 games.
FB Joe Protheroe, Cal Poly, Sr.- 180 carries, 788 yards, 4.4ypc, 8 TD, 131.3ypg, 1 catch, 1 yards in 6 games.
QB Lamar Raynard, North Carolina A&T, Sr.- 90-172, 1035 yards, 12 TD, 5 INT, 52.3%, 147.9 pass eff, 120.1 pass eff, 33 carries, 72 yards, 3 TD in 7 games.
RB James Robinson, Illinois State, Jr.- 113 carries, 783 yards, 6.9ypc, 9 TD, 130.5ypg, 11 catches, 122 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.
QB Daniel Smith, Campbell, Soph.- 90-150, 1215 yards, 11 TD, 3 INT, 60%, 202.5ypg, 148.2 pass eff, 69 carries, 475 yards, 9 TD, 79.2ypg in 6 games.
QB Easton Stick, North Dakota State, Sr.- 60-107, 974 yards, 10 TD, 1 INT, 56.1%, 162.3ypg, 161.5 pass eff, 40 carries, 196 yards, 7 TD in 6 games.


PAYTON TOP 5 (ALPHA ORDER)
QB Chandler Burks, Kennesaw State, Sr.- 35-59, 547 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT, 59.3%, 78.1ypg, 161.8 pass eff, 94 carries, 516 yards, 5.5ypc, 17 TD, 73.7ypg in 7 games.
QB Taryn Christion, South Dakota State, Sr.- 80-119, 1160 yards, 16 TD, 1 INT, 67.2%, 232ypg, 191.8 pass eff, 34 carries, 129 yards, 3 TD in 5 games.
QB Devlin Hodges, Samford, Sr.- 236-335, 2674 yards, 24 TD, 12 INT, 70.4%, 382ypg, 154 pass eff, 47 carries, 177 yards, 3 TD in 7 games.
WR Alexander Hollins, Eastern Illinois, Sr.- 62 catches, 814 yards, 13.1ypc, 12 TD, 116.3ypg in 7 games.
QB Easton Stick, North Dakota State, Sr.- 60-107, 974 yards, 10 TD, 1 INT, 56.1%, 162.3ypg, 161.5 pass eff, 40 carries, 196 yards, 7 TD in 6 games.


ADDED
WR Jequez Ezzard, Howard, Jr.- 31 catches, 737 yards, 26.3ypc, 8 TD, 147.4ypg, 1 carry, 15 yards, 4 PR, 32 yards in 5 games.
RB Ja’Quan Keys, Indiana State, Sr.- 125 carries, 792 yards, 6.3ypc, 11 TD, 132ypg, 4 catches, 24 yards in 6 games.
WR Josh Pearson, Jacksonville State, Jr.- 31 catches, 604 yards, 19.5ypc, 11 TD, 100.7ypg in 6 games.
RB James Robinson, Illinois State, Jr.- 113 carries, 783 yards, 6.9ypc, 9 TD, 130.5ypg, 11 catches, 122 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.

REMOVED
QB Zach Bednarczyk, Villanova, Sr.- 97-144, 1319 yards, 12 TD, 4 INT, 67.4%, 263.8ypg, 166.25 pass eff, 27 carries, 52 yards, 1 TD in 5 games.- Injury
RB Zane Dudek, Yale, Soph.- 45 carries, 278 yards, 6.2ypc, 3 TD, 92.7ypg, 6 catches, 21 yards in 3 games.- INJURED

CONSIDERED
QB Tyrie Adams, Western Carolina, Jr.- 85-135, 1125 yards, 10 TD, 3 INT, 63%, 187.5ypg, 153 pass eff, 76 carries, 325 yards, 4 TD in 6 games.
QB Zach Bednarczyk, Villanova, Sr.- 97-144, 1319 yards, 12 TD, 4 INT, 67.4%, 263.8ypg, 166.25 pass eff, 27 carries, 52 yards, 1 TD in 5 games.
QB Zerrick Cooper, Jacksonville State, Soph.- 93-153, 1376 yards, 14 TD, 4 INT, 60.8%, 33 carries, 153 yards, 4 TD in 6 games.
WR Nehari Crawford, Duquesne, Sr.- 42 catches, 710 yards, 16.9ypc, 7 TD, 101.4ypg, 7 carries, 15 yards, 2 PR, 43 yards, 21.5avg, 1 TD in 7 games.
QB Brady Davis, Illinois State, Jr.- 84-149, 1175 yards, 14 TD, 1 INT, 56.4%, 195.8ypg, 152.3 pass eff, 24 carries, 20 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.
WR Davion Davis, Sam Houston State, Sr.- 37 carries, 395 yards, 10.7ypc, 8 TD, 8 carries, 46 yards, 1 TD, 7 PR, 25 yards in 6 games.
QB Jacob Dolegala, Central Connecticut State, Sr.- 118-178, 1524 yards, 9 TD, 2 INT, 66.3%, 217.7ypg, 152.6 pass eff, 44 carries, 195 yards, 5 TD in 7 games.
WR Keelan Doss, UC Davis, Sr.- 56 catches, 545 yards, 9.7ypc, 3 TD, 90.8ypg, 6 carries, 64 yards in 6 games.
RB Zane Dudek, Yale, Soph.- 45 carries, 278 yards, 6.2ypc, 3 TD, 92.7ypg, 6 catches, 21 yards in 3 games.- INJURED
QB Eli Dunne, Northern Iowa, Sr.- 106-169, 1252 yards, 12 TD, 2 INT, 62.7%, 208.7ypg, 146 pass eff, 22 carries, -20 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.
WR Bobby Hartzog, Texas Southern, Sr.- 27 catches, 505 yards, 18.7ypc, 5 TD, 126.3ypg in 4 games.
QB Sean McGuire, Western Illinois, Sr.- 128-220, 1553 yards, 14 TD, 9 INT, 58.2%, 258.8ypg, 34 carries, -23 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.
QB Dalton Sneed, Montana, Jr.- 161-260, 1596 yards, 10 TD, 4 INT, 61.9%, 228ypg, 123.1 pass eff, 77 carries, 423 yards, 5.5ypc, 5 TD in 7 games.
RB Marquis Terry, Southeast Missouri State, Sr.- 89 carries, 690 yards, 7.8ypc, 7 TD, 115ypg, 9 catches, 53 yards in 6 games.
RB Dawonya Tucker, Prairie View A&M, Jr.- 105 carries, 812 yards, 7.7ypc, 4 TD, 116ypg, 16 catches, 148 yards, 1 TD in 7 games.
QB Calvin Turner, Jacksonville, Soph.- 114 carries, 750 yards, 6.6ypc, 8 TD, 150ypg, 15-36, 228 yards, 3 INT, 78.2 pass eff, 45.6ypg in 5 games.
WR Alex Wesley, Northern Colorado, Sr.- 45 catches, 908 yards, 20.2ypc, 4 TD, 129.7ypg, 3 carries, 1 yard in 7 games.


2018 BUCK BUCHANAN CANDIDATES
S Nasir Adderley, Delaware, Sr.- 33 TKL, 3 INT, 4 PBU, 1 FR, 1 FF in 6 games.
LB BJ Blunt, McNeese State, Sr.- 56 TKL, 11.5 TFL, 7 SACKS, 3 PBU, 4 QBH, 2 FR in 6 games.
LB Josh Buss, Montana, Sr.- 52 TKL, 6.5 TFL, 4.5 SACKS, 1 PBU, 2 QBH, 2 FR/returned one for a TD, 3 FF in 7 games.
LB Jabril Cox, North Dakota State, Soph.- 35 TKL, 4 TFL, 2 SACKS, 3 INT/returned two for a TD, 2 PBU, 4 QBH in 6 games.
LB Cameron Gill, Wagner, Jr.- 36 TKL, 13.5 TFL, 8 SACKS, 1 PBU, 7 QBH, 2 FF, 1 BLK in 7 games.
DE Darin Greenfield, South Dakota, Jr.- 26 TKL, 7.5 TFL, 3 SACKS, 3 PBU, 5 QBH in 6 games.
DE Darryl Johnson, North Carolina A&T, Jr.- 28 TKL, 11 TFL, 7 SACKS, 3 PBU, 5 QBH, 1 FF in 7 games.
DE Sully Laiche, Nicholls, Jr.- 27 TKL, 10.5 TFL, 5 SACKS, 2 PBU, 2 QBH, 1 FR, 1 FF in 7 games.
LB Da’Jon Lee, Saint Francis (PA), Jr.- 36 TKL, 11 TFL, 5 SACKS, 3 PBU, 2 QBH, 2 FF in 6 games.
LB Warren Messer, Elon, Sr.- 46 TKL, 6 TFL, 2 SACKS, 1 QBH in 6 games.
CB Jimmy Moreland, James Madison, Sr.- 25 TKL, 3 TFL, 1 SACK, 4 INT/returned three for a TD, 4 PBU, 1 QBH, 1 FF, 1 BLK in 7 games.
LB Dante Olson, Montana, Jr.- 106 TKL, 9.5 TFL, 5 SACKS, 2 INT, 3 PBU, 3 QBH, 3 FF in 7 games.
LB Rickey Neal, Northern Iowa, Sr.- 24 TKL, 7 TFL, 5 SACKS, 2 PBU, 5 QBH, 2 FF, 1 BLK in 6 games.
DE Aaron Patrick, Eastern Kentucky, Jr.- 29 TKL, 6.5 TFL, 4.5 SACKS, 1 PBU, 8 QBH in 6 games.
DE Nasir Player, ETSU, Jr.- 28 TKL, 9 TFL, 5 SACKS, 1 PBU, 10 QBH, 2 FF in 7 games.
DE Derick Roberson, Sam Houston State, Sr.- 27 TKL, 11 TFL, 8 SACKS, 8 QBH, 3 FF, 1 BLK, 1 SAF in 6 games.
DT Khalen Saunders, Western Illinois, Sr.- 42 TKL, 9 TFL, 5 SACKS, 3 QBH, 1 FF, 1 catch, 3 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.
LB Sterling Sheffield, Maine, Sr.- 43 TKL, 10 TFL, 7.5 SACKS, 1 PBU, 1 QBH, 1 FR, 2 FF in 6 games.
DE Nick Wheeler, Colgate, Jr.- 31 TKL, 10 TFL, 5 SACKS, 1 PBU, 4 QBH, 2 FR, 1 FF in 6 games.
DE Jaison Williams, Austin Peay, Jr.- 27 TKL, 8 TFL, 2 SACKS, 2 QBH in 7 games.
DE Tomas Wright, Bryant, Jr.- 31 TKL, 12.5 TFL, 7.5 SACKS, 3 PBU, 3 QBH, 1 FR, 3 FF, 1 BLK in 6 games.


BUCHANAN TOP 5 (ALPHA ORDER)
LB BJ Blunt, McNeese State, Sr.- 56 TKL, 11.5 TFL, 7 SACKS, 3 PBU, 4 QBH, 2 FR in 6 games.
DE Darryl Johnson, North Carolina A&T, Jr.- 28 TKL, 11 TFL, 7 SACKS, 3 PBU, 5 QBH, 1 FF in 7 games.
CB Jimmy Moreland, James Madison, Sr.- 25 TKL, 3 TFL, 1 SACK, 4 INT/returned three for a TD, 4 PBU, 1 QBH, 1 FF, 1 BLK in 7 games.
LB Dante Olson, Montana, Jr.- 106 TKL, 9.5 TFL, 5 SACKS, 2 INT, 3 PBU, 3 QBH, 3 FF in 7 games.
DT Khalen Saunders, Western Illinois, Sr.- 42 TKL, 9 TFL, 5 SACKS, 3 QBH, 1 FF, 1 catch, 3 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.


ADDED
DE Derick Roberson, Sam Houston State, Sr.- 27 TKL, 11 TFL, 8 SACKS, 8 QBH, 3 FF, 1 BLK, 1 SAF in 6 games.
DE Tomas Wright, Bryant, Jr.- 31 TKL, 12.5 TFL, 7.5 SACKS, 3 PBU, 3 QBH, 1 FR, 3 FF, 1 BLK in 6 games.

REMOVED
LB Thomas Costigan, Bryant, Sr.- 57 TKL, 5.5 TFL, 3 SACKS, 1 INT, 1 PBU, 3 QBH, 1 FR, 1 FF in 6 games.

CONSIDERED
DE Justin Alexandre, Incarnate Word, Sr.- 29 TKL, 8 TFL, 8 SACKS, 1 PBU, 3 QBH, 2 FF in 6 games.
LB Bryson Armstrong, Kennesaw State, Soph.- 39 TKL, 3 TFL, 0.5 SCK, 2 PBU in 7 games.
DE Mason Bennett, North Dakota, Jr.- 23 TKL, 7 TFL, 6 SACKS, 1 PBU, 6 QBH in 6 games.
LB Ryan Brady, Holy Cross, Sr.- 79 TKL, 10 TFL, 1.5 SACKS, 1 PBU, 5 QBH, 1 FR in 7 games.
CB Tyler Castillo, Colgate, Sr.- 21 TKL, 1.5 TFL, 4 INT/returned one for a TD, 5 PBU, 1 FF in 6 games.
LB De’Arius Christmas, Grambling State, Sr.- 32 TKL, 6 TFL, 3 SACKS, 2 INT/returned one for a TD, 3 QBH, 1 FF, 1 BLK in 5 games.
LB Marshall Cooper, Chattanooga, Jr.- 64 TKL, 3 TFL, 2.5 SACKS, 1 INT, 2 PBU, 2 QBH, 1 FR, 2 FF in 7 games.
LB Thomas Costigan, Bryant, Sr.- 57 TKL, 5.5 TFL, 3 SACKS, 1 INT, 1 PBU, 3 QBH, 1 FR, 1 FF in 6 games.
CB Adonis Davis, Abilene Christian, Jr.- 23 TKL, 3 INT, 8 PBU in 7 games.
ILB Jared Folks, ETSU, Sr.- 51 TKL, 8 TFL, 6 SACKS, 1 INT, 1 PBU, 7 QBH, 1 FF in 7 games.
DE Marques Ford, Bethune-Cookman, Jr.- 28 TKL, 7.5 TFL, 6 SACKS, 4 QBH, 1 FR in 7 games.
DE Ahmad Gooden, Samford, Sr.- 29 TT, 5 TFL, 1.5 SACKS, 3 PBU, 8 QBH, 1 FR in 7 games.
LB Anthony Gore, Kennesaw State, Sr.- 41 TKL, 6 TFL, 3 SACKS in 7 games.
LB Zach Hall, Southeast Missouri State, Jr.- 77 TKL, 5 TFL, 1 SACK, 1 INT, 1 PBU, 1 QBH, 2 FR, 1 FF in 6 games.
LB Rico Kennedy, Morgan State, Jr.- 34 TKL, 6 TFL, 2.5 SACKS, 1 PBU, 4 QBH in 6 games.
DT Isaiah Mack, Chattanooga, Sr.- 51 TKL, 5 TFL, 3.5 SACKS, 2 PBU, 6 QBH, 1 FR in 7 games.
LB Quentin Moon, Western Illinois, Sr.- 66 TKL, 4 TFL, 1 SACK, 2 PBU, 5 QBH, 1 FR, 3 FF in 6 games.
LB Kevin Prather Jr, UT Martin, Sr.- 44 TKL, 9.5 TFL, 2.5 SACKS, 2 QBH in 5 games.
FS Tyree Robinson, ETSU, Soph.- 35 TKL, 2.5 TFL, 3 INT, 7 PBU in 7 games.
LB Christian Rozeboom, South Dakota State, Jr.- 29 TKL, 1.5 TFL, 1 INT, 2 QBH, 1 FR, 1 FF in 5 games.
CB Donte Small, Morgan State, Soph.- 17 TKL, 4 INT/returned one for a TD, 6 PBU in 6 games.
DE Bryce Sterk, Montana State, Jr.- 28 TKL, 9.5 TFL, 5 SACKS, 2 PBU, 2 QBH in 6 games.
CB Isiah Swann, Dartmouth, Jr.- 18 TKL, 5/returned one for a TD, 7 PBU in 5 games.
LB Pete Swenson, Western Illinois, Sr.- 35 TKL, 12 TFL, 7 SACKS, 2 QBH in 6 games.
DE Chris Terrell, Central Arkansas, Jr.- 26 TKL, 9 TFL, 5 SACKS, 5 QBH, 1 FR, 1 FF in 6 games.
LB Langston Tunson, Houston Baptist, Soph.- 71 TKL, 10.5 TFL, 3 SACKS, 1 INT, 1 FR in 5 games.
LB Evan Veron, Nicholls, Jr.- 32 TKL, 16 TFL, 6 SACKS, 1 PBU, 2 QBH, 1 FR in 7 games.
LB Quincy Williams, Murray State, Sr.- 55 TKL, 6 TFL, 1 SACK, 1 INT returned for TD, 3 PBU, 1 QBH, 1 FF in 6 games.


JERRY RICE WATCH LIST
CB Christian Benford, Villanova- 32 TKL, 1 TFL, 2 INT, 1 PBU in 5 games.
QB Jack Cook, Dayton- 124-203, 1722 yards, 13 TD, 2 INT, 61.1%, 246ypg, 151.5 pass eff, 63 carries, 303 yards, 4 TD in 7 games.
QB Jon Copeland, Incarnate Word- 125-228, 1844 yards, 11 TD, 10 INT, 54.8%, 307.3ypg, 43 carries, 53 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.
RB Josh Davis, Weber State- 104 carries, 603 yards, 5.8ypc, 4 TD, 120.6ypg, 7 catches, 34 yards in 5 games.
K Skyler Davis, Elon- 10-13 FG, 76.9%, 46 long, 19-19 PAT in 6 games.
P Nathan Fondacaro, Villanova- 32 punts, 1389 yards, 43.4avg, 63 long, 2 TB, 9 FC, 10 I20, 1 BLK in 7 games.
RB Ulonzo Gilliam, UC Davis- 91 carries, 417 yards, 4.6ypc, 7 TD, 69.5ypg, 27 catches, 230 yards, 3 TD in 6 games.
K Mitchell Fineran, Samford- 8-11 FG, 81.8%, 45 long, 32-32 PAT in 7 games.
LB Ryan Greenhagen, Fordham- 25 TKL, 7 TFL, 4 SACKS, 4 QBH, 1 FF in 6 games.
DE Malik Hamm, Lafayette- 31 TKL, 8 TFL, 4 SACKS, 3 QBH, 1 FR, 2 FF in 6 games.
S Robby Hauck, Montana- 64 TKL, 1 TFL, 2 PBU in 7 games.
WR Dev Holmes, Albany- 33 catches, 596 yards, 18.1ypc, 5 TD, 99.3ypg, 2 carries, 7 yards in 6 games.
RB Quay Holmes, ETSU- 120 carries, 496 yards, 4.1ypc, 8 TD, 70.9ypg, 19 catches, 161 yards, 1 TD in 7 games.
LB Adrian Hope, Furman- 12 TKL, 7 TFL, 6 SACKS, 1 PBU, 3 QBH, 1 FF in 5 games.
DE Mitchell Johnson, Eastern Washington- 16 TKL, 7.5 TFL, 4 SACKS, 1 INT, 1 PBU, 1 FR, 1 FF in 7 games.
CB Ronald Kent Jr, Western Carolina- 29 TKL, 3.5 TFL, 8 PBU in 6 games.
LB Chris Kolarevic, Northern Iowa- 63 TKL, 3 TFL, 1 INT, 4 PBU in 6 games.
LB Jarrett Nagy, Presbyterian- 51 TKL, 1.5 TFL, 0.5 SACK, 2 QBH in 5 games.
WR Caleb Snead, Campbell- 17 catches, 341 yards, 20.1ypc, 4 TD, 56.8ypg in 6 games.


RICE TOP 5 (ALPHA ORDER)
RB Josh Davis, Weber State- 104 carries, 603 yards, 5.8ypc, 4 TD, 120.6ypg, 7 catches, 34 yards in 5 games.
DE Malik Hamm, Lafayette- 31 TKL, 8 TFL, 4 SACKS, 3 QBH, 1 FR, 2 FF in 6 games.
WR Dev Holmes, Albany- 33 catches, 596 yards, 18.1ypc, 5 TD, 99.3ypg, 2 carries, 7 yards in 6 games.
RB Quay Holmes, ETSU- 120 carries, 496 yards, 4.1ypc, 8 TD, 70.9ypg, 19 catches, 161 yards, 1 TD in 7 games.
LB Chris Kolarevic, Northern Iowa- 63 TKL, 3 TFL, 1 INT, 4 PBU in 6 games.


ADDED
QB Jack Cook, Dayton- 124-203, 1722 yards, 13 TD, 2 INT, 61.1%, 246ypg, 151.5 pass eff, 63 carries, 303 yards, 4 TD in 7 games.
K Skyler Davis, Elon- 10-13 FG, 76.9%, 46 long, 19-19 PAT in 6 games.
K Mitchell Fineran, Samford- 8-11 FG, 81.8%, 45 long, 32-32 PAT in 7 games.
P Nathan Fondacaro, Villanova- 32 punts, 1389 yards, 43.4avg, 63 long, 2 TB, 9 FC, 10 I20, 1 BLK in 7 games.

REMOVED
QB Robert Riddle, Mercer- 66-101, 851 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 65.3%, 212.8ypg, 149.8 pass eff, 20 carries, 52 yards, 3 TD in 4 games.- Injury

OTHERS CONSIDERED
QB Ty Brock, Sam Houston State- 69-126, 943 yards, 7 TD, 5 INT, 54.8%, 235.8ypg, 128 pass eff, 33 carries, 128 yards, 3 TD in 4 games.
QB Bailey Fisher, Tennessee Tech- 86-166, 1100 yards, 8 TD, 5 INT, 51.8%, 183.3ypg, 117.3 pass eff, 56 carries, 223 yards in 6 games.
LB Ty Harris, Western Carolina- 47 TKL, 4.5 TFL, 2 SACKS, 2 INT, 2 QBH in 5 games.
RB Alijah Jackson, Robert Morris- 87 carries, 415 yards, 4.8ypc, 4 TD, 69.2ypg, 4 catches, 25 yards in 6 games.
RB Brian Jenkins, Alabama A&M- 36 catches, 392 yards, 3 TD, 4 carries, 18 yards, 1 TD, 9 PR, 111 yards, 12.3avg, 16 KR, 278 yards, 17.4avg in 8 games.
CB Fernando Jordan, Southeastern Louisiana- 33 TKL, 1 TFL, 2 INT, 4 PBU in 7 games.
CB Collin Loftis, VMI- 19 TKL, 0.5 TFL, 3 INT, 2 PBU in 6 games.
QB Robert Riddle, Mercer- 66-101, 851 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 65.3%, 212.8ypg, 149.8 pass eff, 20 carries, 52 yards, 3 TD in 4 games.
WR Xavier Smith, Florida A&M- 26 carries, 340 yards, 13.1ypc, 2 TD, 42.5ypg, 7 carries, 38 yards, 3 KR, 57 yards in 8 games.

[World]

Excellent work again

You might want to start taking a look at Princeton's 6'0" 220 lb RB Charlie Volker

currently ranked 5th in the FCS in rushing yards per carry at 8.9, with 8 TD's in only 5 games and averaging 91 yards/game rushing

Even at 220 lbs he ranks among the FCS' top 5 fastest running backs.

[BisonTru]

Man I thought WIU's WR Isiah LeSure would be on this list as he looked pretty damn good against us (12/170/1TD), but wow he hasn't done much at all against anybody else. The only other game he got more than 2 receptions was YSU.

St. Lawson you got any insight into this?

[JSUSoutherner]

Excellent work again

You might want to start taking a look at Princeton's 6'0" 220 lb RB Charlie Volker

currently ranked 5th in the FCS in rushing yards per carry at 8.9, with 8 TD's in only 5 games and averaging 91 yards/game rushing

Even at 220 lbs he ranks among the FCS' top 5 fastest running backs.

Why not just add the Princeton water boy?

[JSUSoutherner]

Serious question though, do you think Josh Pearson is a better receiver than Josh Barge? I didn't think we'd have a better one than Barge anytime soon, but man, Pearson seems to be making a helluva case.

[World]

Why not just add the Princeton water boy?

So, you don't think that being ranked #5 in rushing yards per carry at a whopping 8.9 yds/rush, with 8 td's in only 5 games is a good enough number?

besides, waterboys aren't usually the fastest running backs in all of FCS

[JSUSoutherner]

So, you don't think that being ranked #5 in rushing yards per carry at a whopping 8.9 yds/rush, with 8 td's in only 5 games is a good enough number?

besides, waterboys aren't usually the fastest running backs in all of FCS
Name a single good team you've played all year.

Just one.

[Bison56]

So, you don't think that being ranked #5 in rushing yards per carry at a whopping 8.9 yds/rush, with 8 td's in only 5 games is a good enough number?

besides, waterboys aren't usually the fastest running backs in all of FCS

You sure you're not a JSU fan?

[FUBeAR]

Below is my updated list.

FCS NATIONAL AWARDS WATCH- OCT 15

JERRY RICE WATCH LIST

REMOVED
QB Robert Riddle, Mercer- 66-101, 851 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 65.3%, 212.8ypg, 149.8 pass eff, 20 carries, 52 yards, 3 TD in 4 games.- InjuryAs expected...BUT, I did see a picture of him at a HS game last Friday night & he was not wearing a sling. Troy’s QB broke his collar bone earlier this season & returned in 3 weeks after a plate was inserted. Who knows, maybe Mr. Riddle gets back on the field for Mercer’s stretch run & climbs back into this thing.

[Daytripper]

Glad you added Roberson to the Buchanan list. That guy has been a terror this year.

[Derby City Duke]

See the film of Jimmy Moreland's blocked punt on Saturday? He knocked it away before the punter ever touched it with his foot. Also had a strip sack. Strong candidate for the Buchanan.

https://twitter.com/JMUFootball/status/1051215986815307777

[smallcollegefbfan]

Excellent work again

You might want to start taking a look at Princeton's 6'0" 220 lb RB Charlie Volker

currently ranked 5th in the FCS in rushing yards per carry at 8.9, with 8 TD's in only 5 games and averaging 91 yards/game rushing

Even at 220 lbs he ranks among the FCS' top 5 fastest running backs.

Can't put 3 from an Ivy League school on Payton watch. I doubt Craig Haley would either. He is a good one though. Harvard RB was another I considered as well.

- - - Updated - - -


Serious question though, do you think Josh Pearson is a better receiver than Josh Barge? I didn't think we'd have a better one than Barge anytime soon, but man, Pearson seems to be making a helluva case.

Barge was pretty good but I do like Pearson a little better.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Glad you added Roberson to the Buchanan list. That guy has been a terror this year.

I almost just put him in the "considered" section but he earned a spot among top 20-25 defenders.

[Redbird 4th & short]

[QUOTE=SmallCollegeFBFan;2691675]Below is my updated list.

FCS NATIONAL AWARDS WATCH- OCT 15

2018 PAYTON CANDIDATES
QB Chandler Burks, Kennesaw State, Sr.- 35-59, 547 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT, 59.3%, 78.1ypg, 161.8 pass eff, 94 carries, 516 yards, 5.5ypc, 17 TD, 73.7ypg in 7 games.
QB Taryn Christion, South Dakota State, Sr.- 80-119, 1160 yards, 16 TD, 1 INT, 67.2%, 232ypg, 191.8 pass eff, 34 carries, 129 yards, 3 TD in 5 games.
RB Ra’Quanne Dickens, Incarnate Word, Sr.- 84 carries, 675 yards, 8.0ypc, 9 TD, 112.5ypg, 9 catches, 83 yards in 6 games.
WR Jequez Ezzard, Howard, Jr.- 31 catches, 737 yards, 26.3ypc, 8 TD, 147.4ypg, 1 carry, 15 yards, 4 PR, 32 yards in 5 games.
QB Tom Flacco, Towson, Jr.- 135-197, 1670 yards, 15 TD, 5 INT, 68.5%, 278.3ypg, 159.79 pass eff, 82 carries, 435 yards, 5.3ypc, 2 TD, 72.5ypg in 6 games.
RB Ryan Fulse, Wagner, Sr.- 180 carries, 1028 yards, 5.7ypc, 6 TD, 146.9ypg, 13 catches, 162 yards in 7 games.
QB Gage Gubrud, Eastern Washington, Sr.- 99-160, 1416 yards, 13 TD, 5 INT, 61.9%, 283.2ypg, 156.8 pass eff, 31 carries, 169 yards, 2 TD in 5 games.
QB Devlin Hodges, Samford, Sr.- 236-335, 2674 yards, 24 TD, 12 INT, 70.4%, 382ypg, 154 pass eff, 47 carries, 177 yards, 3 TD in 7 games.
WR Alexander Hollins, Eastern Illinois, Sr.- 62 catches, 814 yards, 13.1ypc, 12 TD, 116.3ypg in 7 games.
WR Jesper Horsted, Princeton, Sr.- 35 catches, 541 yards, 15.5ypc, 8 TD, 108.2ypg in 5 games.
RB Ja’Quan Keys, Indiana State, Sr.- 125 carries, 792 yards, 6.3ypc, 11 TD, 132ypg, 4 catches, 24 yards in 6 games.
QB Anthony Lawrence, San Diego, Sr.- 143-226, 2039 yards, 16 TD, 4 INT, 63.3%, 339.8ypg, 158.9 pass eff, 19 carries, 74 yards, 2 TD in 6 games.
QB John Lovett, Princeton, Sr.- 64-97, 932 yards, 12 TD, 66%, 233ypg, 187.5 pass eff, 45 carries, 404 yards, 6 TD, 101ypg in 4 games.
QB Jake Maier, UC Davis, Jr.- 176-275, 1960 yards, 16 TD, 3 INT, 64%, 326.7ypg, 140.9 pass eff, 16 carries, -45 yards in 6 games.
WR Kelvin McKnight, Samford, Sr.- 63 catches, 880 yards, 14.0avg, 7 TD, 125.7ypg in 7 games.
WR Bryce Nunnelly, Chattanooga, Soph.- 52 catches, 817 yards, 15.7ypc, 6 TD, 116.7ypg, 1 carry, 6 yards in 7 games.
WR Josh Pearson, Jacksonville State, Jr.- 31 catches, 604 yards, 19.5ypc, 11 TD, 100.7ypg in 6 games.
FB Joe Protheroe, Cal Poly, Sr.- 180 carries, 788 yards, 4.4ypc, 8 TD, 131.3ypg, 1 catch, 1 yards in 6 games.
QB Lamar Raynard, North Carolina A&T, Sr.- 90-172, 1035 yards, 12 TD, 5 INT, 52.3%, 147.9 pass eff, 120.1 pass eff, 33 carries, 72 yards, 3 TD in 7 games.
RB James Robinson, Illinois State, Jr.- 113 carries, 783 yards, 6.9ypc, 9 TD, 130.5ypg, 11 catches, 122 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.
QB Daniel Smith, Campbell, Soph.- 90-150, 1215 yards, 11 TD, 3 INT, 60%, 202.5ypg, 148.2 pass eff, 69 carries, 475 yards, 9 TD, 79.2ypg in 6 games.
QB Easton Stick, North Dakota State, Sr.- 60-107, 974 yards, 10 TD, 1 INT, 56.1%, 162.3ypg, 161.5 pass eff, 40 carries, 196 yards, 7 TD in 6 games.



ADDED
WR Jequez Ezzard, Howard, Jr.- 31 catches, 737 yards, 26.3ypc, 8 TD, 147.4ypg, 1 carry, 15 yards, 4 PR, 32 yards in 5 games.
RB Ja’Quan Keys, Indiana State, Sr.- 125 carries, 792 yards, 6.3ypc, 11 TD, 132ypg, 4 catches, 24 yards in 6 games.
WR Josh Pearson, Jacksonville State, Jr.- 31 catches, 604 yards, 19.5ypc, 11 TD, 100.7ypg in 6 games.
RB James Robinson, Illinois State, Jr.- 113 carries, 783 yards, 6.9ypc, 9 TD, 130.5ypg, 11 catches, 122 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.


took till week 6 to get ISUr JR RB James Robinson on the top 25 watch list ... hmmm ... returning 1st team all MVFC, been 2nd or 3rd in rushing all year in MVFC. ISUr been ranked top 20 to top 8 all year. So he's not exactly sneaking up on anyone ... bit overdue maybe ?

Oh right .. it's all about the most clicks .. so got to spread the love real thin.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Excellent work again

You might want to start taking a look at Princeton's 6'0" 220 lb RB Charlie Volker

currently ranked 5th in the FCS in rushing yards per carry at 8.9, with 8 TD's in only 5 games and averaging 91 yards/game rushing

Even at 220 lbs he ranks among the FCS' top 5 fastest running backs.

just curious, who decided he was top 5 fastest RB in FCS ??

[World]

Can't put 3 from an Ivy League school on Payton watch. I doubt Craig Haley would either. He is a good one though. Harvard RB was another I considered as well.

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fully understand

[World]

just curious, who decided he was top 5 fastest RB in FCS ??


usually when you are the State 100 meter champ in High School

and the conference 60 meter champ in College,

You would tend to be among the 5 fastest RB's in FCS football, if not the fastest

best time so far for Princeton's 220lb RB Charlie Volker:

60 meters: 6.73 seconds

and how fast is 6.73 in the 60 meters?

As an example, up to this past winter season, the All time 60 meter record for the Championship Meet for the Missouri Valley Conference was 6.70 seconds

[SochorField]

I think Princeton's entire 1st team offense AND defense should be on the short list. They are the best football team in the history of tackle football.

**Edit**
I just found out from last week's Payton thread that World hijacked that Horsted plays baseball too. Just give him the Payton now.

**Edit 2**
RB Volker now the fastest human.

[smallcollegefbfan]

usually when you are the State 100 meter champ in High School

and the conference 60 meter champ in College,

You would tend to be among the 5 fastest RB's in FCS football, if not the fastest

best time so far for Princeton's 220lb RB Charlie Volker:

60 meters: 6.73 seconds

and how fast is 6.73 in the 60 meters?

As an example, up to this past winter season, the All time 60 meter record for the Championship Meet for the Missouri Valley Conference was 6.70 seconds

It is probably a 4.2 or 4.3 if you translate it but here are some things to take into account as to why you can't proclaim he is a top 5 fastest RB for sure.

1. Many guys have track speed and play slower in pads.

2. There are a lot of track guys in college football right now. Probably 10 who run a 10.2 or faster in the 100 meters and all of those guys would be as fast or faster. At least 20 players who would likely run that in FBS right now I'm sure. Washburn has a kid who can run in that range and many others. The SDSU RB is blazing fast like that. He likely runs a 4.3 as well.

3. If he has not run track in several years then I doubt he would actually put up that track time right now. Had he ran that at say 200 pounds in HS then you have to figure he is slower now at 220 pounds.

Just a few things to keep in mind when making those claims. He is averaging 8.8 per carry though so he is definitely fast. He could run a 4.47 40 and probably dominate that way in the Ivy League. I don't think a 4.2 or 4.3 40 is needed to do so like it would be needed for the SEC or ACC.

[Bison56]

I think Princeton's entire 1st team offense AND defense should be on the short list. They are the best football team in the history of tackle football.

**Edit**
I just found out from last week's Payton thread that World hijacked that Horsted plays baseball too. Just give him the Payton now.

**Edit 2**
RB Volker now the fastest human.

If he was any faster he would be invisible.

[JSUSoutherner]

If he was any faster he would be invisible.

He is invisible...


From the Payton List.

[World]

It is probably a 4.2 or 4.3 if you translate it but here are some things to take into account as to why you can't proclaim he is a top 5 fastest RB for sure.

1. Many guys have track speed and play slower in pads.

2. There are a lot of track guys in college football right now. Probably 10 who run a 10.2 or faster in the 100 meters and all of those guys would be as fast or faster. At least 20 players who would likely run that in FBS right now I'm sure. Washburn has a kid who can run in that range and many others. The SDSU RB is blazing fast like that. He likely runs a 4.3 as well.

3. If he has not run track in several years then I doubt he would actually put up that track time right now. Had he ran that at say 200 pounds in HS then you have to figure he is slower now at 220 pounds.

Just a few things to keep in mind when making those claims. He is averaging 8.8 per carry though so he is definitely fast. He could run a 4.47 40 and probably dominate that way in the Ivy League. I don't think a 4.2 or 4.3 40 is needed to do so like it would be needed for the SEC or ACC.


Excellent comments

thanks

Princeton RB Volker has run track on both the Indoor and Outdoor teams every year in college, including this past Spring

While there are track people in FCS football, most are WR's and DB's, not RB's

The much faster 60 meter time relative to his 100 metter time implies quickness and a fast 40 yard time, which is what is needed for football

a quick example of his speed:

https://twitter.com/PUTigerFootball/status/919254084040798209


By the way, just a quick note: There are no RB's in the SEC than run a 4.20 40 yard dash. In fact there are no RB's in all of College football this year that run a 4.20 40 yard dash.

and as you can see here, Princeton's Volker's 60 meter time would put him among the top 10 fastest football players in all of college football and top 2 or 3 RB's

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761425-ranking-the-fastest-players-in-college-football-in-2018#slide1

[Daytripper]

Excellent comments

thanks

Princeton RB Volker has run track on both the Indoor and Outdoor teams every year in college, including this past Spring

While there are track people in FCS football, most are WR's and DB's, not RB's

The much faster 60 meter time relative to his 100 metter time implies quickness and a fast 40 yard time, which is what is needed for football

a quick example of his speed:

https://twitter.com/PUTigerFootball/status/919254084040798209


By the way, just a quick note: There are no RB's in the SEC than run a 4.20 40 yard dash. In fact there are no RB's in all of College football this year that run a 4.20 40 yard dash.

and as you can see here, Princeton's Volker's 60 meter time would put him among the top 10 fastest football players in all of college football and top 2 or 3 RB's

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761425-ranking-the-fastest-players-in-college-football-in-2018#slide1



We have a RS Freshman RB by the name of Caleb Jolivette. He ran a 4.35 40-yard dash and ran the fastest indoor 60 yard dash in the state of Texas and the second fastest in the nation. He's small but I hope we can get him on the field. https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=9129007#!/L0

[jmufan999]

CB Jimmy Moreland, James Madison, Sr.- 25 TKL, 3 TFL, 1 SACK, 4 INT/returned three for a TD, 4 PBU, 1 QBH, 1 FF, 1 BLK in 7 games

i'm guessing DBs don't get this award very often, but JFM is something special. crazy to think that he was supposed to be our #2 CB this year, only playing #1 due to Rashad Robinson's injury (he'll be back next year).

[World]

We have a RS Freshman RB by the name of Caleb Jolivette. He ran a 4.35 40-yard dash and ran the fastest indoor 60 yard dash in the state of Texas and the second fastest in the nation. He's small but I hope we can get him on the field. https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=9129007#!/L0

Excellent, thanks.

I see that Sam Houston RB Caleb Jolivette's 60 meter time is exactly the same, 6.73 seconds, as Princeton RB Charlie Volker's time

http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211632291&DB_OEM_ID=19900&Q_SEASON=2018

Doesn't appear that he has gotten many carries in football, both in high school or college. At 5'8" and 165 lbs, might be more of a track guy than a football player versus Volker, at 220 lbs, who is more of a football player than track guy.

[Daytripper]

Excellent, thanks.

I see that Sam Houston RB Caleb Jolivette's 60 meter time is exactly the same, 6.73 seconds, as Princeton RB Charlie Volker's time

http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211632291&DB_OEM_ID=19900&Q_SEASON=2018

Doesn't appear that he has gotten many carries in football, both in high school or college. At 5'8" and 165 lbs, might be more of a track guy than a football player versus Volker, at 220 lbs, who is more of a football player than track guy.

Yeah, not sure how he will ever be used on a consistent basis with his size. Maybe special teams and as a slot receiver?

[World]

Yeah, not sure how he will ever be used on a consistent basis with his size. Maybe special teams and as a slot receiver?


Slot receiver would be a great idea. He was used in this way in high school also.

Oh wait, he is no longer a running back

listed as a wide receiver:

http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211632291&DB_OEM_ID=19900&Q_SEASON=2018

Looks like the SHS Coaches took our advice and changed him quickly

ha!

[smallcollegefbfan]

Excellent comments

thanks

Princeton RB Volker has run track on both the Indoor and Outdoor teams every year in college, including this past Spring

While there are track people in FCS football, most are WR's and DB's, not RB's

The much faster 60 meter time relative to his 100 metter time implies quickness and a fast 40 yard time, which is what is needed for football

a quick example of his speed:

https://twitter.com/PUTigerFootball/status/919254084040798209


By the way, just a quick note: There are no RB's in the SEC than run a 4.20 40 yard dash. In fact there are no RB's in all of College football this year that run a 4.20 40 yard dash.

and as you can see here, Princeton's Volker's 60 meter time would put him among the top 10 fastest football players in all of college football and top 2 or 3 RB's

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761425-ranking-the-fastest-players-in-college-football-in-2018#slide1



I said there are a lot of players out there who run track and many run say 10.3 or faster in the 100m. You don't know for sure if there are any that do or don't because many schools don't test the 40 or report it. There aren't a lot of players who run crazy times in track but they don't always translate to the field or the 40-yard dash.

Last year 22 seniors ran a 4.3 at their pro day and nobody at the combine ran a 4.2 or 4.3. One player ran a 4.2 at his pro day. There are a lot of players in the SEC faster than Volker and I doubt he is the fastest in FCS. I would imagine he probably runs a 4.4 or so. You would be surprised at the players who have run say a 10.2 or 10.1 in the 100m but ran a 4.4 in the 40. All the translation charts say supposedly a 10.2 or faster 100m means a 4.3 or faster 40 but likely it is a 4.4 if you go by what those who ran them often run in the 40. I have seen players who ran a 10.00 or 9.95 range in the 100m actually run the 4.25-4.30 range.

I would guess he will run a 4.4 but to be clear we don't truly know for sure because everyone has not run yet.

Here is an article from NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000936388/18-for-%2718:-college-football%27s-fastest-players

I know for a fact they missed some guys who run just as fast in track times in FBS and many in FCS, even a couple D2 guys. The fact they missed names I know of tells me that there are many more out there with those times. Sadly, track times can't really be translated (even though we all try to do so) because there is not truly accurate conversion for it due to the major differences in running surface, distance, and the way they are clocked.

[World]

I said there are a lot of players out there who run track and many run say 10.3 or faster in the 100m. You don't know for sure if there are any that do or don't because many schools don't test the 40 or report it. There aren't a lot of players who run crazy times in track but they don't always translate to the field or the 40-yard dash.

Last year 22 seniors ran a 4.3 at their pro day and nobody at the combine ran a 4.2 or 4.3. One player ran a 4.2 at his pro day. There are a lot of players in the SEC faster than Volker and I doubt he is the fastest in FCS. I would imagine he probably runs a 4.4 or so. You would be surprised at the players who have run say a 10.2 or 10.1 in the 100m but ran a 4.4 in the 40. All the translation charts say supposedly a 10.2 or faster 100m means a 4.3 or faster 40 but likely it is a 4.4 if you go by what those who ran them often run in the 40. I have seen players who ran a 10.00 or 9.95 range in the 100m actually run the 4.25-4.30 range.

I would guess he will run a 4.4 but to be clear we don't truly know for sure because everyone has not run yet.

Here is an article from NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000936388/18-for-%2718:-college-football%27s-fastest-players

I know for a fact they missed some guys who run just as fast in track times in FBS and many in FCS, even a couple D2 guys. The fact they missed names I know of tells me that there are many more out there with those times. Sadly, track times can't really be translated (even though we all try to do so) because there is not truly accurate conversion for it due to the major differences in running surface, distance, and the way they are clocked.

First and foremost, we are only and only talking RUNNING BACKS, not Defensive Backs, not Receivers, not Kickoff or Punt returners.

So I guess you really did not understand anything about the 60 meter times that I thoroughly discussed, which are closer to 40 yard dash times than the 100 meter times

You continue to only and only discuss 100 meter times and how they compare to 40 yards dash times

I agree that a fast 100 meter time runner many times is not a truly fast 40 yard dash runner. However, you completely and totally left out any discussion on the 60 meter times

and I guess you particularly took no time to read this article, which includes the 60 meter times on the fastest players in college football and how they compare to Princeton Voker's time of 6.73 seconds.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761425-ranking-the-fastest-players-in-college-football-in-2018#slide1

ok, I understand

then there is this from you:

"There are a lot of players in the SEC faster than Volker and I doubt he is the fastest in FCS"

So I guess that fact that I only mentioned RUNNING BACKS has not registered with you yet.

[JSUSoutherner]

I said there are a lot of players out there who run track and many run say 10.3 or faster in the 100m. You don't know for sure if there are any that do or don't because many schools don't test the 40 or report it. There aren't a lot of players who run crazy times in track but they don't always translate to the field or the 40-yard dash.

Last year 22 seniors ran a 4.3 at their pro day and nobody at the combine ran a 4.2 or 4.3. One player ran a 4.2 at his pro day. There are a lot of players in the SEC faster than Volker and I doubt he is the fastest in FCS. I would imagine he probably runs a 4.4 or so. You would be surprised at the players who have run say a 10.2 or 10.1 in the 100m but ran a 4.4 in the 40. All the translation charts say supposedly a 10.2 or faster 100m means a 4.3 or faster 40 but likely it is a 4.4 if you go by what those who ran them often run in the 40. I have seen players who ran a 10.00 or 9.95 range in the 100m actually run the 4.25-4.30 range.

I would guess he will run a 4.4 but to be clear we don't truly know for sure because everyone has not run yet.

Here is an article from NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000936388/18-for-%2718:-college-football%27s-fastest-players

I know for a fact they missed some guys who run just as fast in track times in FBS and many in FCS, even a couple D2 guys. The fact they missed names I know of tells me that there are many more out there with those times. Sadly, track times can't really be translated (even though we all try to do so) because there is not truly accurate conversion for it due to the major differences in running surface, distance, and the way they are clocked.

Not sure why you're wasting your time with this guy.

[smallcollegefbfan]

First and foremost, we are only and only talking RUNNING BACKS, not Defensive Backs, not Receivers, not Kickoff or Punt returners.

So I guess you really did not understand anything about the 60 meter times that I thoroughly discussed, which are closer to 40 yard dash times than the 100 meter times

You continue to only and only discuss 100 meter times and how they compare to 40 yards dash times

I agree that a fast 100 meter time runner many times is not a truly fast 40 yard dash runner. However, you completely and totally left out any discussion on the 60 meter times

and I guess you particularly took no time to read this article, which includes the 60 meter times on the fastest players in college football and how they compare to Princeton Voker's time of 6.73 seconds.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761425-ranking-the-fastest-players-in-college-football-in-2018#slide1

ok, I understand

then there is this from you:

"There are a lot of players in the SEC faster than Volker and I doubt he is the fastest in FCS"

So I guess that fact that I only mentioned RUNNING BACKS has not registered with you yet.

1. I know you said RBs and 2 of those from last year who ran 4.39 or better at pro days were indeed running backs.

2. There are a lot of players not mentioned in that article. Bleacher Report is not very credible and missed a lot of guys. I know for a fact they did not go through every track meet results from the last two springs to get all the times plus time these guys in the 40.

3. One player whose track times are freaky fast that was omitted from the NFL.com article and this one is Jalen Virgil. He is one of many not mentioned so you can't go by this article. They did not hit every name.

4. I am not saying Volker is slow because I have seen him and he is fast but I will bet you anything you want that he will not be the fastest running back in FCS or the entire country come pro days in the spring. The kid at SDSU is blazing fast.

5. There is no time on the internet for this player: https://gojacks.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7007&path=football

However, he ran a 4.44 verified at junior day and I'm told he will likely run 4.3s at pro day. There is no track on him and if I did not have access to our NFL spring info I would not know that. You can ask SDSU coaches about what I'm saying. I guarantee this guy is faster than Volker.

The lesson for you from me is that you are using articles that clearly don't have that inside info or have gone through every single track meet because they are missing some players. Those articles just did not do enough homework for you to make that claim and know you are right. You may want to take a few weeks and talk to every coach to get their spring and summer testing, talk to the NFL teams who ran kids in the spring, and go through every track meet before you claim your guy is the fastest is what I'm saying. Until then, maybe wait and see what he does at pro day compared to the others.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Not sure why you're wasting your time with this guy.

He needs to learn about those media outlets and what was missed to see that they don't have everyone and thus aren't credible to use. If they were credible they would have included Volker (if those times are indeed correct) and he failed to realize that.

[caribbeanhen]

Serious question though, do you think Josh Pearson is a better receiver than Josh Barge? I didn't think we'd have a better one than Barge anytime soon, but man, Pearson seems to be making a helluva case.

Josh Barge was a talent, what ever happened to him?

[caribbeanhen]

looks like Troy Reeder wont even be making your under consideration list but not to worry, NFL is all over this guy

[World]

1. I know you said RBs and 2 of those from last year who ran 4.39 or better at pro days were indeed running backs.

2. There are a lot of players not mentioned in that article. Bleacher Report is not very credible and missed a lot of guys. I know for a fact they did not go through every track meet results from the last two springs to get all the times plus time these guys in the 40.

3. One player whose track times are freaky fast that was omitted from the NFL.com article and this one is Jalen Virgil. He is one of many not mentioned so you can't go by this article. They did not hit every name.

4. I am not saying Volker is slow because I have seen him and he is fast but I will bet you anything you want that he will not be the fastest running back in FCS or the entire country come pro days in the spring. The kid at SDSU is blazing fast.

5. There is no time on the internet for this player: https://gojacks.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7007&path=football

However, he ran a 4.44 verified at junior day and I'm told he will likely run 4.3s at pro day. There is no track on him and if I did not have access to our NFL spring info I would not know that. You can ask SDSU coaches about what I'm saying. I guarantee this guy is faster than Volker.

The lesson for you from me is that you are using articles that clearly don't have that inside info or have gone through every single track meet because they are missing some players. Those articles just did not do enough homework for you to make that claim and know you are right. You may want to take a few weeks and talk to every coach to get their spring and summer testing, talk to the NFL teams who ran kids in the spring, and go through every track meet before you claim your guy is the fastest is what I'm saying. Until then, maybe wait and see what he does at pro day compared to the others.



say, here is something you might want to do

go find where I said that Volker was the fastest

you can't because I never said that

what I said was that, based on his 60 meter time of 6.73 seconds he is probably one of the 5 fastest RUNNING BACKS in the FCS.

There is nothing in your posted messages that has proven otherwise

Regarding Jalen Virgil, I agree, he is scary fast, with a 4.27 sec 40 yard dash time..but guess what, he is NOT a RUNNING BACK and he is NOT in the FCS.

So stop the nonsense

[TheKingpin28]

say, here is something you might want to do

go find where I said that Volker was the fastest

you can't because I never said that

what I said was that, based on his 60 meter time of 6.73 seconds he is probably one of the 5 fastest RUNNING BACKS in the FCS.

There is nothing in your posted messages that has proven otherwise

Regarding Jalen Virgil, I agree, he is scary fast, with a 4.27 sec 40 yard dash time..but guess what, he is NOT a RUNNING BACK and he is NOT in the FCS.

So stop the nonsense

This is beyond rich coming from you.

[Redbird 4th & short]

say, here is something you might want to do

go find where I said that Volker was the fastest

you can't because I never said that

what I said was that, based on his 60 meter time of 6.73 seconds he is probably one of the 5 fastest RUNNING BACKS in the FCS.

There is nothing in your posted messages that has proven otherwise

Regarding Jalen Virgil, I agree, he is scary fast, with a 4.27 sec 40 yard dash time..but guess what, he is NOT a RUNNING BACK and he is NOT in the FCS.

So stop the nonsense

you were a bit more definitive than that, you said: "Even at 220 lbs he ranks among the FCS' top 5 fastest running backs."

Which I think is the issue with some of your proclamations. You are obviously high on all things Dartmouth and Ivy League .. which is fine. But you offer highly optimistic opioions and present them as disguised as facts .... "he ranks among ....". Like some objective outsider actually ranked him ... that person who ranked him was you. And you're not only biased, but your limited .. we all are .. until they show up at a real combine and get tested. Even then ... that is a limited sample.

I watched his tape and read your post of supporting times. Yes, he is fast, but he is not jaw dropping fast. So i am willing to bet a lot he is not top 5 fastest RB in FCS. Now you're saying you said "probably", which you didn't originally.

Present your opinions as opinions, supported by whatever ... don't say, "he is ranked among FCS' top 5 fastest RB". That is untrue .. you were the only person who ranked him.

[JSUSoutherner]

Josh Barge was a talent, what ever happened to him?

He graduated.

[World]

you were a bit more definitive than that, you said: "Even at 220 lbs he ranks among the FCS' top 5 fastest running backs."

Which I think is the issue with some of your proclamations. You are obviously high on all things Dartmouth and Ivy League .. which is fine. But you offer highly optimistic opioions and present them as disguised as facts .... "he ranks among ....". Like some objective outsider actually ranked him ... that person who ranked him was you. And you're not only biased, but your limited .. we all are .. until they show up at a real combine and get tested. Even then ... that is a limited sample.

I watched his tape and read your post of supporting times. Yes, he is fast, but he is not jaw dropping fast. So i am willing to bet a lot he is not top 5 fastest RB in FCS. Now you're saying you said "probably", which you didn't originally.

Present your opinions as opinions, supported by whatever ... don't say, "he is ranked among FCS' top 5 fastest RB". That is untrue .. you were the only person who ranked him.


What?

Seriously?

You are now differentiating between my two comments:


"Even at 220 lbs he ranks among the FCS' top 5 fastest running backs."

and

"he is ranked among FCS' top 5 fastest RB"



which are very similar, particularly

Compared to the other false accusations as follows:


"There are a lot of players in the SEC faster than Volker and I doubt he is the fastest in FCS"

( I never said that Volker was the fastest player in the SEC and I never said that Volker is the fastest player in the FCS, see above to what I very specifically stated)

and

"and go through every track meet before you claim your guy is the fastest is what I'm saying"

(I never said that Volker was the fastest, see above to what I very specifically stated)


Seriously?

You need to stop the nonsense and attacks here

[World]

you were a bit more definitive than that, you said: "Even at 220 lbs he ranks among the FCS' top 5 fastest running backs."

Which I think is the issue with some of your proclamations. You are obviously high on all things Dartmouth and Ivy League .. which is fine. But you offer highly optimistic opioions and present them as disguised as facts .... "he ranks among ....". Like some objective outsider actually ranked him ... that person who ranked him was you. And you're not only biased, but your limited .. we all are .. until they show up at a real combine and get tested. Even then ... that is a limited sample.

I watched his tape and read your post of supporting times. Yes, he is fast, but he is not jaw dropping fast. So i am willing to bet a lot he is not top 5 fastest RB in FCS. Now you're saying you said "probably", which you didn't originally.

Present your opinions as opinions, supported by whatever ... don't say, "he is ranked among FCS' top 5 fastest RB". That is untrue .. you were the only person who ranked him.


Wait, so now you are claiming that a Running Back that has won the Ivy Track & Field Championship at 6.73 seconds in the 60 meter dash and would have held the MV Conference Championship track & field meet record up to this past Winter in the 60 meter dash would not be in the top 5 fastest RB's in the FCS because you saw him run?

Ok, please provide the names of 5 other current RB's from the FCS that you claim are faster than Princeton's Volker and please include the times of these Running Backs in the 60 meter dash or the 40 yard dash...

[Cocky]

Southern Speed?

[katstrapper]

I almost just put him in the "considered" section but he earned a spot among top 20-25 defenders.


Doesn't he currently lead the FCS in total sacks ?

[SoDakSA]

It's been awhile since I've posted on here. It's nice to see that AGS has turned into a forum to discuss track and field.

[World]

Here is another review of some of the fastest football players in college football

Pay attention to their 60 meter dash times that are mentioned

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000936388

[JSUSoutherner]

Here is another review of some of the fastest football players in college football

Pay attention to their 60 meter dash times that are mentioned

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000936388

Usain Bolt best RB in the world confirmed.

JFC

[World]

Usain Bolt best RB in the world confirmed.

JFC


Not American football

but track star Usain Bolt has become a decent pro soccer player

https://deadspin.com/usain-bolt-aspiring-soccer-player-scores-two-goals-in-1829709202

[SochorField]

Usain Bolt best RB in the world confirmed.

JFC

Volker once beat Usain Bolt in a footrace. Eye witnesses say Volker was wearing pads and dribbling a soccer ball.
I read it on Horsted's Twitter.

[SoDakSA]

Not American football

but track star Usain Bolt has become a decent pro soccer player

https://deadspin.com/usain-bolt-aspiring-soccer-player-scores-two-goals-in-1829709202

I wouldn't say that he has become a decent pro. He played in what is basically an exhibition match for a super small Australian team. Tim Tebow has had a couple good games as a baseball player in the minors, but I wouldn't call him a decent pro baseball player. And I am a Mets fan.

[World]

I wouldn't say that he has become a decent pro. He played in what is basically an exhibition match for a super small Australian team. Tim Tebow has had a couple good games as a baseball player in the minors, but I wouldn't call him a decent pro baseball player. And I am a Mets fan.

good point

[JSUSoutherner]

Volker once beat Usain Bolt in a footrace. Eye witnesses say Volker was wearing pads and dribbling a soccer ball.
I read it on Horsted's Twitter.

I believe it.

[caribbeanhen]

He graduated.

google is my friend

[jsualumnus]

He graduated.

Barge will be playing for Birmingham in the new Alliance of Professional Football League.

[caribbeanhen]

Barge will be playing for Birmingham in the new Alliance of Professional Football League.

thanks!

[smallcollegefbfan]

looks like Troy Reeder wont even be making your under consideration list but not to worry, NFL is all over this guy

Getting free agent and tryout grades is not "all over". He is on lists and he is a good player but Delaware is not a top 5-10 team right now so I doubt more than 1 defender from UD is on the list. Do you think Adderley or Reeder is better?

[smallcollegefbfan]

say, here is something you might want to do

go find where I said that Volker was the fastest

you can't because I never said that

what I said was that, based on his 60 meter time of 6.73 seconds he is probably one of the 5 fastest RUNNING BACKS in the FCS.

There is nothing in your posted messages that has proven otherwise

Regarding Jalen Virgil, I agree, he is scary fast, with a 4.27 sec 40 yard dash time..but guess what, he is NOT a RUNNING BACK and he is NOT in the FCS.

So stop the nonsense

Volker may be top 5 RB in FCS but you can't prove it yet. We will find out when pro days are done in the spring. He very well could be a top 5 senior but I doubt top 5 overall.

My point about the other players is that you are using articles that leave stuff out so there could be many others that would be mentioned, especially from FCS, and thus make those articles irrelevant. Virgil has yet to run a 40 for NFL teams so we don't know what his speed is.

Unless you have officially timed every RB or have seen something that has official times on them all then you are just guessing and don't know for sure.

That is my point on Volker because you are just guessing based on what you heard.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Wait, so now you are claiming that a Running Back that has won the Ivy Track & Field Championship at 6.73 seconds in the 60 meter dash and would have held the MV Conference Championship track & field meet record up to this past Winter in the 60 meter dash would not be in the top 5 fastest RB's in the FCS because you saw him run?

Ok, please provide the names of 5 other current RB's from the FCS that you claim are faster than Princeton's Volker and please include the times of these Running Backs in the 60 meter dash or the 40 yard dash...

I don't know who they are for sure and neither do you. You just assume Volker is top 5 but you don't know. Show me proof he is with times on EVERY RB or else you are just guessing.

I'll be surprised if he runs faster than a 4.45. He could be a top 5 FCS senior RB but I'm not sure. A lot of NFL people think 4.50-4.55. It doesn't take 4.4 speed to blaze past Ivy League defenders. Lots of slow, white, 4.8-5.1 speed guys on a Ivy League defense.

[caribbeanhen]

Getting free agent and tryout grades is not "all over". He is on lists and he is a good player but Delaware is not a top 5-10 team right now so I doubt more than 1 defender from UD is on the list. Do you think Adderley or Reeder is better?

If I remember correctly you said similar things about Bilah Nichols last year, scouts have been swarming around Newark all year looking at these two, I have no idea what they think of them

that is a good question about better, Adderley or Reeder, I dont know but I think both of them are better than alot of players on your list, I get it you have to look at numbers but I would not be trading these 2

Reeder is not a speedy LB but he is just an old fashioned hard nose intense physcial LB, First team CAA last year, total tackles and TFL are on the up and up last 2 games. His Dad was a FB at Delaware and played against Eastern Kentucky in the 1982 1aa championship game. His brother, a sophmore, might be the better all around player by the time he is done

typical Reeder play right here

https://youtu.be/mEuA6ciTa_k?t=3809


Adderley has good blood lines as well, related to Herb of the Cowboys and makes some spectacular diving interceptions, startted at CB as a true Freshman, because Delaware had a WR shortage a few years ago they toyed around and practiced him at WR, but wisely moved him back to defense, last year they moved him to Safety

this is Adderley

https://youtu.be/ycWYVqASMMI?t=15

[smallcollegefbfan]

If I remember correctly you said similar things about Bilah Nichols last year, scouts have been swarming around Newark all year looking at these two, I have no idea what they think of them

that is a good question about better, Adderley or Reeder, I dont know but I think both of them are better than alot of players on your list, I get it you have to look at numbers but I would not be trading these 2

Reeder is not a speedy LB but he is just an old fashioned hard nose intense physcial LB, First team CAA last year, total tackles and TFL are on the up and up last 2 games. His Dad was a FB at Delaware and played against Eastern Kentucky in the 1982 1aa championship game. His brother, a sophmore, might be the better all around player by the time he is done

typical Reeder play right here

https://youtu.be/mEuA6ciTa_k?t=3809


Adderley has good blood lines as well, related to Herb of the Cowboys and makes some spectacular diving interceptions, startted at CB as a true Freshman, because Delaware had a WR shortage a few years ago they toyed around and practiced him at WR, but wisely moved him back to defense, last year they moved him to Safety

this is Adderley

https://youtu.be/ycWYVqASMMI?t=15

I had Nichols as a 7th-PFA during the season and bumped him up to the draft after the Shrine and combine. He was a good athlete.

Just being a free agent prospect will attract 20-25 teams alone. Reeder is one of a couple names on lists that people will ask about but the directors and national scouts coming in for S Nasir Adderley.

[World]

I don't know who they are for sure and neither do you. You just assume Volker is top 5 but you don't know. Show me proof he is with times on EVERY RB or else you are just guessing.

I'll be surprised if he runs faster than a 4.45. He could be a top 5 FCS senior RB but I'm not sure. A lot of NFL people think 4.50-4.55. It doesn't take 4.4 speed to blaze past Ivy League defenders. Lots of slow, white, 4.8-5.1 speed guys on a Ivy League defense.


So, By this lowly response, I assume that you also believe that the fastest football player on the USC football team and the record holder in the Freshman 60 meter dash for the USC Track & Field team would also not run faster than a 4.45 second 40 yard dash?

And yes, the USC would be the University of Southern California, with a long tradition of typically having some of the fastest players in football and fastest Track & Field sprinters in the Country.

geesh

seriously?

[Daytripper]

This is the worst thread drift ever....

[McNeese75]

This is the worst thread drift ever....

No Joke, Who cares about the supposed fastest football PLAYER in the world that never plays more than 10 games against mediocre teams in a season????? xcoffeex

[Katfan]

No Joke, Who cares about the supposed fastest football in the world that never plays more than 10 games against mediocre teams in a season????? xcoffeex
Well apparently there are a couple of folks that do, but seriously we have guys on our bench who are faster.

[BisonTru]

No Joke, Who cares about the supposed fastest football in the world that never plays more than 10 games against mediocre teams in a season????? xcoffeex



http://youtu.be/WCjZX7GokMM

[McNeese75]

xlolx Grammer Nazi!!!! OK, OK, I changed my post.

[smallcollegefbfan]

No Joke, Who cares about the supposed fastest football PLAYER in the world that never plays more than 10 games against mediocre teams in a season????? xcoffeex

I agree and I don't care either way. If Princeton has the 3 fastest RBs it is not an issue for me. My issue is that I hate seeing people who think they know everything making statements by comparing articles from non credible media sources that miss names. He could be right or wrong but if he thinks it is fact because of those articles then he or anyone else is very naive and is talking out their butt.

[ST_Lawson]

I agree and I don't care either way. If Princeton has the 3 fastest RBs it is not an issue for me. My issue is that I hate seeing people who think they know everything making statements by comparing articles from non credible media sources that miss names. He could be right or wrong but if he thinks it is fact because of those articles then he or anyone else is very naive and is talking out their butt.

https://i.imgur.com/RxwrWDv.png

[World]

I agree and I don't care either way. If Princeton has the 3 fastest RBs it is not an issue for me. My issue is that I hate seeing people who think they know everything making statements by comparing articles from non credible media sources that miss names. He could be right or wrong but if he thinks it is fact because of those articles then he or anyone else is very naive and is talking out their butt.

You were shown the actual 60 meter dash time of the Princeton running back. You were also shown the 60 meter times of other football players that are considered among the fastest players in college football, as a comparison.

Say, tell us again about your attack claiming that a Running Back that runs the 60 meter dash in 6.73 seconds when winning the Ivy League indoor track & field title,

1) which would be as fast as the time that was the record until this Winter in the MVC Track & Field Championships
2) and which is as fast as the time by the fastest player on the USC football team (and holds the USC freshman track record in that event)

would only be able to run a relatively slow 4.45-4.5 40 yard dash because you saw him run with the football against a bunch slow white Ivy league defenders?

Your words: "It doesn't take 4.4 speed to blaze past Ivy League defenders. Lots of slow, white, 4.8-5.1 speed guys on a Ivy League defense."

And also tell us how, after being provided all this info, you claim that he would not be among the 5 fastest FCS running backs, but fail to provide not one running back that is faster?

[JSUSoutherner]

You were shown the actual 60 meter dash time of the Princeton running back. You were also shown the 60 meter times of other football players that are considered among the fastest players in college football, as a comparison.

Say, tell us again about your attack claiming that a Running Back that runs the 60 meter dash in 6.73 seconds when winning the Ivy League indoor track & field title,

1) which would be as fast as the time that was the record until this Winter in the MVC Track & Field Championships
2) and which is as fast as the time by the fastest player on the USC football team (and holds the USC freshman track record in that event)

would only be able to run a relatively slow 4.45-4.5 40 yard dash because you saw him run with the football against a bunch slow white Ivy league defenders?

Your words: "It doesn't take 4.4 speed to blaze past Ivy League defenders. Lots of slow, white, 4.8-5.1 speed guys on a Ivy League defense."

And also tell us how, after being provided all this info, you claim that he would not be among the 5 fastest FCS running backs, but fail to provide not one running back that is faster?
There's no way you actually went to an Ivy school.

Your logic is akin to me saying, I'm top 5% in the world in Madden so I'm obviously good enough to play in the NFL.

Just because he's fast on a track doesn't mean **** on a football field.

But I'm probably wasting my breath cause you obviously don't have the intelligence to comprehend what SCFBF is trying to tell you.

[World]

There's no way you actually went to an Ivy school.

Your logic is akin to me saying, I'm top 5% in the world in Madden so I'm obviously good enough to play in the NFL.

Just because he's fast on a track doesn't mean **** on a football field.

But I'm probably wasting my breath cause you obviously don't have the intelligence to comprehend what SCFBF is trying to tell you.

Well, there you go, continue with the attacks and insults, particularly coming from someone from JSU, one of the bottom of the barrel academic institutions in the country

and yet we are talking about the fastest RB's in the FCS, aren't we?

If not comparing them by using metrics such as the 40 yard dash and the 60 meter dash, then what metric do you suggest should be used to determine who are the fastest RB's in the FCS?

[JSUSoutherner]

Well, there you go, continue with the attacks and insults, particularly coming from someone from JSU, one of the bottom of the barrel academic institutions in the country

and yet we are talking about the fastest RB's in the FCS, aren't we?

If not comparing them by using metrics such as the 40 yard dash and the 60 meter dash, then what metric do you suggest should be used to determine who are the fastest RB's in the FCS?
Like I said. Waste of breath.

[TheKingpin28]

Like I said. Waste of breath.I think we finally found the Lakes of the Ivies.

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[World]

Dartmouth's Swann added to the Buck Buchanan award watch list


https://ivyleague.com/news/2018/10/18/football-swann-added-to-buck-buchanan-award-watch-list.aspx

[World]

Seven Join Walter Payton Award Watch List

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20181018104524937783604

[smallcollegefbfan]

https://i.imgur.com/RxwrWDv.png

LOL! Well thank you.

[smallcollegefbfan]

You were shown the actual 60 meter dash time of the Princeton running back. You were also shown the 60 meter times of other football players that are considered among the fastest players in college football, as a comparison.

Say, tell us again about your attack claiming that a Running Back that runs the 60 meter dash in 6.73 seconds when winning the Ivy League indoor track & field title,

1) which would be as fast as the time that was the record until this Winter in the MVC Track & Field Championships
2) and which is as fast as the time by the fastest player on the USC football team (and holds the USC freshman track record in that event)

would only be able to run a relatively slow 4.45-4.5 40 yard dash because you saw him run with the football against a bunch slow white Ivy league defenders?

Your words: "It doesn't take 4.4 speed to blaze past Ivy League defenders. Lots of slow, white, 4.8-5.1 speed guys on a Ivy League defense."

And also tell us how, after being provided all this info, you claim that he would not be among the 5 fastest FCS running backs, but fail to provide not one running back that is faster?

Yes I agree compared to those guys he is up there but those articles are from sources I do not consider reliable.

Also, where did you get his times?

In his HS bio, which I posted below, I do not see the time. I am questioning where you got that. If you posted and I missed it I apologize but show me on Princeton's website where they put his time. Otherwise, your argument is a moot point anyway because it is not verified.

At Rumson Fair-Haven — earned all-state honors after ranking second in New Jersey with 2,108 rushing yards on 278 carries … earned Shore Conference and Monmouth County Player of the Year honors … two-time all-division and all-shore honoree … 2014 N.J. All-Zone running back … accounted for 3,508 combined yards and 42 touchdowns in final two seasons … averaged 7.6 yards per catch … led team to two state championships … selected to All-Shore all-star team … captain for both the football and track teams … New Jersey state champion in the 100 … all-state honoree in track and four-year anchor of 4x100 relay … county champion in the 100 and 200 … recipient of the President’s Gold and Silver Awards … Sportsmanship Award finalist … National Honor Society and Peer Leader at Rumson-Fair Haven … 2014 Dwight D. Eisenhower Award recipient.

[World]

Yes I agree compared to those guys he is up there but those articles are from sources I do not consider reliable.

Also, where did you get his times?

In his HS bio, which I posted below, I do not see the time. I am questioning where you got that. If you posted and I missed it I apologize but show me on Princeton's website where they put his time. Otherwise, your argument is a moot point anyway because it is not verified.

At Rumson Fair-Haven — earned all-state honors after ranking second in New Jersey with 2,108 rushing yards on 278 carries … earned Shore Conference and Monmouth County Player of the Year honors … two-time all-division and all-shore honoree … 2014 N.J. All-Zone running back … accounted for 3,508 combined yards and 42 touchdowns in final two seasons … averaged 7.6 yards per catch … led team to two state championships … selected to All-Shore all-star team … captain for both the football and track teams … New Jersey state champion in the 100 … all-state honoree in track and four-year anchor of 4x100 relay … county champion in the 100 and 200 … recipient of the President’s Gold and Silver Awards … Sportsmanship Award finalist … National Honor Society and Peer Leader at Rumson-Fair Haven … 2014 Dwight D. Eisenhower Award recipient.

#1 above is from the MVC Track & Field website (which I posted earlier)

#2 above is from the USC football website and NFL website
https://usctrojans.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=8898
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000936388

Princeton RB Charlie Volker's 6.73 60 meter time and Ivy Championship is from the Princeton Track & Field website and from the FloTrack 2016 Ivy League Indoor T&F Championship website:

https://goprincetontigers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=14846

https://www.lancertiming.com/results/winter16/IVYHEPS/160227F016.htm

[Redbird 4th & short]

#1 above is from the MVC Track & Field website (which I posted earlier)

#2 above is from the USC football website and NFL website
https://usctrojans.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=8898
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000936388

Princeton RB Charlie Volker's 6.73 60 meter time and Ivy Championship is from the Princeton Track & Field website and from the FloTrack 2016 Ivy League Indoor T&F Championship website:

https://goprincetontigers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=14846

https://www.lancertiming.com/results/winter16/IVYHEPS/160227F016.htm


World ...would you know why he didn't run in the Dartmouth hosted 2018 event ? That event had 4 other Dartmouth runners, and not him.

[World]

World ...would you know why he didn't run in the Dartmouth hosted 2018 event ? That event had 4 other Dartmouth runners, and not him.

Sorry, don't know, but you do know that Volker is at Princeton, not Dartmouth, don't you?

[grizband]

https://i.imgur.com/RxwrWDv.png


LOL! Well thank you.
I got you for him!

[smallcollegefbfan]

#1 above is from the MVC Track & Field website (which I posted earlier)

#2 above is from the USC football website and NFL website
https://usctrojans.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=8898
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000936388

Princeton RB Charlie Volker's 6.73 60 meter time and Ivy Championship is from the Princeton Track & Field website and from the FloTrack 2016 Ivy League Indoor T&F Championship website:

https://goprincetontigers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=14846

https://www.lancertiming.com/results/winter16/IVYHEPS/160227F016.htm

Thank you! I asked around to others around the NFL about his speed and they all seem to think 4.5 with a shot at a high 4.4 40. If that holds up I would say he is definitely a top 10 fastest among seniors but you really need to wait and let it play out before we say one way or the other. The 40-yard dash is very different than a 60m or 100m time and here is why.

1. Some players have longer speed and thus may not run a great 10 or 20 or even 40 time but if they run 100 yards they could toast the guy who beat them in 40 yards. A long or short stride can effect that stuff.

2. I will point out that in HS we had a WR who ran like a 4.6 in the 40, which I still say was probably more like a 4.7 because people in HS don't time correctly very often. The NFL does it right and NFL teams have learned out to eliminate as much human error as possible where in HS they have not. This kid would then go on the track and blaze past the guys who supposedly ran a 4.5 or 4.4 40 because his 40-60 yard and 60-yard or 100m, 400m were so good since he had long speed. This guy was like 6'3 215 pounds so he was a big guy. As big and freaky fast and athletic as he was he signed in the SEC but was only a backup on a losing team and never made it to the NFL. I really don't care about who the fastest are.

3. Again, remember that we do not know who timed these guys and these websites posting the fastest players can only be taken with a grain of salt since there are many known names that are left off.

Here are the 15 fastest NFL combine participants since 2000 and look at how many of these guys did nothing in the NFL. To be honest anyone who runs a 4.3 or faster is usually not a football guy. For every Chris Johnson there are 3 or 4 guys who did nothing in the NFL.

4.22 - *John Ross (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=128046), (WR), Washington - 2017
4.24 - Chris Johnson (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32966), (RB), East Carolina - 2008
4.26 - Dri Archer (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=91372), (WR), Kent State - 2014
4.27 - Marquise Goodwin (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=90106), (WR), Texas - 2013
4.28 - J.J. Nelson (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=110839), (WR), Alabama-Birmingham - 2015
4.28 - Jacoby Ford (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=66876), (WR), Clemson - 2010
4.28 - Jalen Myrick (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=132947), (CB), Minnesota - 2017
4.30 - *Darrius Heyward-Bey (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56743), (WR), Maryland - 2009
4.30 - Triandos Luke (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=1130), (WR), Alabama - 2004
4.31 - *Keith Marshall (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=124180), (RB), Georgia - 2016
4.31 - *Trae Waynes (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=90652), (CB), Michigan State - 2015
4.31 - *Curtis Samuel (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=130823), (WR), Ohio State - 2017
4.31 - *Justin King (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56933), (CB), Penn State - 2008
4.31 - Tyvon Branch (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32938), (CB), Connecticut - 2008
4.31 - Carlos Francis (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=603), (WR), Texas Tech - 2004

[World]

Thank you! I asked around to others around the NFL about his speed and they all seem to think 4.5 with a shot at a high 4.4 40. If that holds up I would say he is definitely a top 10 fastest among seniors but you really need to wait and let it play out before we say one way or the other. The 40-yard dash is very different than a 60m or 100m time and here is why.

1. Some players have longer speed and thus may not run a great 10 or 20 or even 40 time but if they run 100 yards they could toast the guy who beat them in 40 yards. A long or short stride can effect that stuff.

2. I will point out that in HS we had a WR who ran like a 4.6 in the 40, which I still say was probably more like a 4.7 because people in HS don't time correctly very often. The NFL does it right and NFL teams have learned out to eliminate as much human error as possible where in HS they have not. This kid would then go on the track and blaze past the guys who supposedly ran a 4.5 or 4.4 40 because his 40-60 yard and 60-yard or 100m, 400m were so good since he had long speed. This guy was like 6'3 215 pounds so he was a big guy. As big and freaky fast and athletic as he was he signed in the SEC but was only a backup on a losing team and never made it to the NFL. I really don't care about who the fastest are.

3. Again, remember that we do not know who timed these guys and these websites posting the fastest players can only be taken with a grain of salt since there are many known names that are left off.

Here are the 15 fastest NFL combine participants since 2000 and look at how many of these guys did nothing in the NFL. To be honest anyone who runs a 4.3 or faster is usually not a football guy. For every Chris Johnson there are 3 or 4 guys who did nothing in the NFL.

4.22 - *John Ross (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=128046), (WR), Washington - 2017
4.24 - Chris Johnson (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32966), (RB), East Carolina - 2008
4.26 - Dri Archer (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=91372), (WR), Kent State - 2014
4.27 - Marquise Goodwin (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=90106), (WR), Texas - 2013
4.28 - J.J. Nelson (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=110839), (WR), Alabama-Birmingham - 2015
4.28 - Jacoby Ford (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=66876), (WR), Clemson - 2010
4.28 - Jalen Myrick (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=132947), (CB), Minnesota - 2017
4.30 - *Darrius Heyward-Bey (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56743), (WR), Maryland - 2009
4.30 - Triandos Luke (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=1130), (WR), Alabama - 2004
4.31 - *Keith Marshall (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=124180), (RB), Georgia - 2016
4.31 - *Trae Waynes (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=90652), (CB), Michigan State - 2015
4.31 - *Curtis Samuel (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=130823), (WR), Ohio State - 2017
4.31 - *Justin King (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56933), (CB), Penn State - 2008
4.31 - Tyvon Branch (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32938), (CB), Connecticut - 2008
4.31 - Carlos Francis (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=603), (WR), Texas Tech - 2004


good stuff

thanks

[Derby City Duke]

Well, there you go, continue with the attacks and insults, particularly coming from someone from JSU, one of the bottom of the barrel academic institutions in the country

and yet we are talking about the fastest RB's in the FCS, aren't we?

If not comparing them by using metrics such as the 40 yard dash and the 60 meter dash, then what metric do you suggest should be used to determine who are the fastest RB's in the FCS?

Don't go away mad, just go away.

We are all dumber for having read your ramblings...and may God have mercy on our souls if we have to read anymore.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Sorry, don't know, but you do know that Volker is at Princeton, not Dartmouth, don't you?

settle down .. just a question, and no, I don't follow hiim or the Ivy League like you do .. got my Ivy team wires crossed. But yes, I meant Princeton .. they hosted Feb 17, 2018. Princeton had 4 runner prequal in top 9, so only 3 made final .. none of the 4 was Volker. Was he injured ?

https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53777/3299879/Princeton_Indoor_Invitational_/Men_60m_Dash/



PL
NAME
YEAR
TEAM
TIME


1.
Akosa, Carrington (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/5109366/Princeton/Carrington_Akosa.html)
SR-4
Princeton (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/NJ_college_m_Princeton.html)
6.75 http://images.tfrrs.org/ico-flag-3.png (https://www.tfrrs.org/lists/2123.html?performance_event_hnd=19671&standard_hnd=771&gender=m)


2.
Marcano, Andre

CPTC New Balance
6.82


3.
Afolabi, Daniel (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/6084143/Princeton/Daniel_Afolabi.html)
SO-2
Princeton (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/NJ_college_m_Princeton.html)
6.87 http://images.tfrrs.org/ico-flag-3.png (https://www.tfrrs.org/lists/2123.html?performance_event_hnd=19671&standard_hnd=771&gender=m)


4.
Bascom, Jeremy

Unattached
6.93


5.
Moise, Robert

Haiti
7.02


6.
Colangelo, John (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/6084144/Princeton/John_Colangelo.html)
SO-2
Princeton (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/NJ_college_m_Princeton.html)
7.03


7.
Chen, Ethan (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/5964173/Penn/Ethan_Chen.html)
SO-2
Penn (https://xc.tfrrs.org/teams/PA_college_m_Penn.html)
7.07


8.
Sarabo, Kwesi

Unattached
7.11


9.
Schwegman, Maxwell (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/5109365/Princeton/Maxwell__Schwegman.html)
SR-4
Princeton (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/NJ_college_m_Princeton.html)
7.11

[FormerPokeCenter]

The Volker kid is quick, but I'm not sold on pure speed...I watched a long run he had where the opponent loaded the box and all he had to do was outrun a safety who was out of position.....His stride length isn't that great for a guy with supposed world class speed. He's a very muscled up kid, so he's strong. Strong athletes carry their pads well, which makes them appear to be faster than they are.

He reminds me of an LSU signee from back in the day, Scott Ayers...similar build, similar running style. Scott could run just as fast laterally as he could forward, and he could make 90 degree cuts and not lose any speed. Great quickness, strength and proprioception. Not particulary fast.

I don't think Volker's 6 foot, either, based on his stride length....I'm gonna guess 5'9 - 5'10, maybe 210....the camera can be deceiving.

He was a 10.8 in the 100 meters in HS his senior year.

That's not exceptional speed, except, perhaps maybe in New England.

I'm gonna guestimate that he's probably a consistent 4.5, maybe a 4.4 guy on a good day. if he's kicking ass in yards per carry, based on the video I've seen it's because he's not facing anybody with a defense...

The fastest 60 I can find on him, through the Ivy League's archival data is a 6.84 in 2016, and he had a 6.86 in 2017. That's a nice time....it's not special, though.

I used to work out with a guy named Brian Cooper...he went 6.52 in the 60 with a 10.07 in the 100 meters. Back in the day, we had Stephen Starring at QB, who was a 4.26 in the 40 and a 10.28 in the 100 meters and a 13.6 in the 110 meter highs; and Theron McClendon at tailback, who was a 4.3 in the 40 and a 10.34 in the 100 meters.

All those guys had stride lengths in the 7.5 to 8 feet foot lengths, covering 5 yards in two steps at full speed, even in pads. I watched Voelker take 2.5 steps to cover 5 yards, suggesting that he's stride lenth is down at 6 to 6.5 feet.

For comparison purposes, Bolt's 6'5, so his stride length approaches 9 feet. His turnover rate is pretty similar to the other elite sprinters, but that length means he's only taking 41 strides to cover 100 meters where other sprinters are taking 45 to 48.

Voelker's shorter stride length means he'd have to take 49-50 strides to cover the distance....

I'm afraid physics works against him.

I'm giving the notion that Voelker's one of the top 5 RBs in all of FCS two pinocchios! ;)

[World]

The Volker kid is quick, but I'm not sold on pure speed...I watched a long run he had where the opponent loaded the box and all he had to do was outrun a safety who was out of position.....His stride length isn't that great for a guy with supposed world class speed. He's a very muscled up kid, so he's strong. Strong athletes carry their pads well, which makes them appear to be faster than they are.

He reminds me of an LSU signee from back in the day, Scott Ayers...similar build, similar running style. Scott could run just as fast laterally as he could forward, and he could make 90 degree cuts and not lose any speed. Great quickness, strength and proprioception. Not particulary fast.

I don't think Volker's 6 foot, either, based on his stride length....I'm gonna guess 5'9 - 5'10, maybe 210....the camera can be deceiving.

He was a 10.8 in the 100 meters in HS his senior year.

That's not exceptional speed, except, perhaps maybe in New England.

I'm gonna guestimate that he's probably a consistent 4.5, maybe a 4.4 guy on a good day. if he's kicking ass in yards per carry, based on the video I've seen it's because he's not facing anybody with a defense...

well thanks for the info

you understand that Volker is now currently in college, so a 100 meter time for college would be more appropriate, don't you think?

Princeton RB Charlie Volker's time in college = 10.56 sec for the 100 meters, which is very good but not as good for a runner that has done a 6.73 second 60 meter dash, which is more comparable to a 10.3 or so 100 meter time

Implying that Volker is fast in the short sprints but slows down as the longer sprints approach

[FormerPokeCenter]

Where did you find the 6.73? The Ivy League doesn't have anything for him that fast in their archival data. Got a link?

Also, that 10.59?

You probably want to rethink that....they had a tail wind in excess of a 3 meters per second in that heat. Anything over 2 meters per second is considered Wind Aided and - thus - ineligible for any sort of record and/or PR consideration.

In the finals, he ran a 10.67, which is a 10th faster than his best HS time, with a tail wind of 1.2 meters per second. He got a little lift, not much...you could make the argument that, really, he's not demonstrably faster than he was in HS....

They timed to 100ths of a second. That generally suggests they had AccuTrack FAT in place, but...that's an assumption....

[FormerPokeCenter]

I just looked him up on DraftScout.com...

They've got him at 5'10, 210...

The fastest notation for the 40 I could find on him was 4.55, which is kinda what I thought from watching video on him....He's probably a high 4.4 guy on a good day...

A guy with truly special speed, playing in the Ivy, would have crazy yardage....500 - 600 yards a season isn't indicative of special speed.

I do have one question, though...

Are you one of Charlie's parents???

[JSUSoutherner]

Thank you! I asked around to others around the NFL about his speed and they all seem to think 4.5 with a shot at a high 4.4 40. If that holds up I would say he is definitely a top 10 fastest among seniors but you really need to wait and let it play out before we say one way or the other. The 40-yard dash is very different than a 60m or 100m time and here is why.

1. Some players have longer speed and thus may not run a great 10 or 20 or even 40 time but if they run 100 yards they could toast the guy who beat them in 40 yards. A long or short stride can effect that stuff.

2. I will point out that in HS we had a WR who ran like a 4.6 in the 40, which I still say was probably more like a 4.7 because people in HS don't time correctly very often. The NFL does it right and NFL teams have learned out to eliminate as much human error as possible where in HS they have not. This kid would then go on the track and blaze past the guys who supposedly ran a 4.5 or 4.4 40 because his 40-60 yard and 60-yard or 100m, 400m were so good since he had long speed. This guy was like 6'3 215 pounds so he was a big guy. As big and freaky fast and athletic as he was he signed in the SEC but was only a backup on a losing team and never made it to the NFL. I really don't care about who the fastest are.

3. Again, remember that we do not know who timed these guys and these websites posting the fastest players can only be taken with a grain of salt since there are many known names that are left off.

Here are the 15 fastest NFL combine participants since 2000 and look at how many of these guys did nothing in the NFL. To be honest anyone who runs a 4.3 or faster is usually not a football guy. For every Chris Johnson there are 3 or 4 guys who did nothing in the NFL.

4.22 - *John Ross (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=128046), (WR), Washington - 2017
4.24 - Chris Johnson (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32966), (RB), East Carolina - 2008
4.26 - Dri Archer (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=91372), (WR), Kent State - 2014
4.27 - Marquise Goodwin (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=90106), (WR), Texas - 2013
4.28 - J.J. Nelson (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=110839), (WR), Alabama-Birmingham - 2015
4.28 - Jacoby Ford (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=66876), (WR), Clemson - 2010
4.28 - Jalen Myrick (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=132947), (CB), Minnesota - 2017
4.30 - *Darrius Heyward-Bey (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56743), (WR), Maryland - 2009
4.30 - Triandos Luke (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=1130), (WR), Alabama - 2004
4.31 - *Keith Marshall (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=124180), (RB), Georgia - 2016
4.31 - *Trae Waynes (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=90652), (CB), Michigan State - 2015
4.31 - *Curtis Samuel (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=130823), (WR), Ohio State - 2017
4.31 - *Justin King (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56933), (CB), Penn State - 2008
4.31 - Tyvon Branch (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32938), (CB), Connecticut - 2008
4.31 - Carlos Francis (http://www.draftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=603), (WR), Texas Tech - 2004

Look at all those superstars.


Dri Archer used to be a freak in Madden.

[World]

Where did you find the 6.73? The Ivy League doesn't have anything for him that fast in their archival data. Got a link?

Also, that 10.59?

You probably want to rethink that....they had a tail wind in excess of a 3 meters per second in that heat. Anything over 2 meters per second is considered Wind Aided and - thus - ineligible for any sort of record and/or PR consideration.

In the finals, he ran a 10.67, which is a 10th faster than his best HS time, with a tail wind of 1.2 meters per second. He got a little lift, not much...you could make the argument that, really, he's not demonstrably faster than he was in HS....

They timed to 100ths of a second. That generally suggests they had AccuTrack FAT in place, but...that's an assumption....

here you go on the 6.73 60 meter time and 10.56 100 meter time, both which I have previously provided links for:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?215284-FCS-National-Awards-Watch-Oct-15&p=2693416&viewfull=1#post2693416

[World]

I just looked him up on DraftScout.com...

They've got him at 5'10, 210...

The fastest notation for the 40 I could find on him was 4.55, which is kinda what I thought from watching video on him....He's probably a high 4.4 guy on a good day...

A guy with truly special speed, playing in the Ivy, would have crazy yardage....500 - 600 yards a season isn't indicative of special speed.

I do have one question, though...

Are you one of Charlie's parents???


again, instead of showing his high school size, you might want to look up the most current size on the Princeton football roster, 6'0" 220 lbs.

regarding his yardage, he has been partly injured that last 2 years but is healthy this year and run for 466 yards in only 5 games, averaging 8.9 yards a carry, even though he is sharing the running duties with another good RB and the QB - the 3 players are averaging 243 yards rushing per game so far

[World]

I just looked him up on DraftScout.com...

They've got him at 5'10, 210...

The fastest notation for the 40 I could find on him was 4.55, which is kinda what I thought from watching video on him....He's probably a high 4.4 guy on a good day...

A guy with truly special speed, playing in the Ivy, would have crazy yardage....500 - 600 yards a season isn't indicative of special speed.

I do have one question, though...

Are you one of Charlie's parents???


Regarding his speed, and whether it is "truly special speed", I would suggest that you take some time to read this thread to find out what exactly a 6.73 time in the 60 meter dash means for speed, particularly for a running back in football.

[World]

settle down .. just a question, and no, I don't follow hiim or the Ivy League like you do .. got my Ivy team wires crossed. But yes, I meant Princeton .. they hosted Feb 17, 2018. Princeton had 4 runner prequal in top 9, so only 3 made final .. none of the 4 was Volker. Was he injured ?

https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53777/3299879/Princeton_Indoor_Invitational_/Men_60m_Dash/



PL
NAME
YEAR
TEAM
TIME


1.
Akosa, Carrington (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/5109366/Princeton/Carrington_Akosa.html)
SR-4
Princeton (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/NJ_college_m_Princeton.html)
6.75 http://images.tfrrs.org/ico-flag-3.png (https://www.tfrrs.org/lists/2123.html?performance_event_hnd=19671&standard_hnd=771&gender=m)


2.
Marcano, Andre

CPTC New Balance
6.82


3.
Afolabi, Daniel (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/6084143/Princeton/Daniel_Afolabi.html)
SO-2
Princeton (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/NJ_college_m_Princeton.html)
6.87 http://images.tfrrs.org/ico-flag-3.png (https://www.tfrrs.org/lists/2123.html?performance_event_hnd=19671&standard_hnd=771&gender=m)


4.
Bascom, Jeremy

Unattached
6.93


5.
Moise, Robert

Haiti
7.02


6.
Colangelo, John (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/6084144/Princeton/John_Colangelo.html)
SO-2
Princeton (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/NJ_college_m_Princeton.html)
7.03


7.
Chen, Ethan (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/5964173/Penn/Ethan_Chen.html)
SO-2
Penn (https://xc.tfrrs.org/teams/PA_college_m_Penn.html)
7.07


8.
Sarabo, Kwesi

Unattached
7.11


9.
Schwegman, Maxwell (https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/5109365/Princeton/Maxwell__Schwegman.html)
SR-4
Princeton (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/NJ_college_m_Princeton.html)
7.11





I'm sorry but when we are discussing a Princeton player and you beginning discussing Dartmouth players, all I did was point out the difference. Regarding your question that I have already responded to, I don't know why his name isn't entered in that particular meet, one meet out of the dozens that he has run in college

[World]

The Volker kid is quick, but I'm not sold on pure speed...I watched a long run he had where the opponent loaded the box and all he had to do was outrun a safety who was out of position.....His stride length isn't that great for a guy with supposed world class speed. He's a very muscled up kid, so he's strong. Strong athletes carry their pads well, which makes them appear to be faster than they are.

He reminds me of an LSU signee from back in the day, Scott Ayers...similar build, similar running style. Scott could run just as fast laterally as he could forward, and he could make 90 degree cuts and not lose any speed. Great quickness, strength and proprioception. Not particulary fast.

I don't think Volker's 6 foot, either, based on his stride length....I'm gonna guess 5'9 - 5'10, maybe 210....the camera can be deceiving.

He was a 10.8 in the 100 meters in HS his senior year.

That's not exceptional speed, except, perhaps maybe in New England.

I'm gonna guestimate that he's probably a consistent 4.5, maybe a 4.4 guy on a good day. if he's kicking ass in yards per carry, based on the video I've seen it's because he's not facing anybody with a defense...

The fastest 60 I can find on him, through the Ivy League's archival data is a 6.84 in 2016, and he had a 6.86 in 2017. That's a nice time....it's not special, though.

I used to work out with a guy named Brian Cooper...he went 6.52 in the 60 with a 10.07 in the 100 meters. Back in the day, we had Stephen Starring at QB, who was a 4.26 in the 40 and a 10.28 in the 100 meters and a 13.6 in the 110 meter highs; and Theron McClendon at tailback, who was a 4.3 in the 40 and a 10.34 in the 100 meters.

All those guys had stride lengths in the 7.5 to 8 feet foot lengths, covering 5 yards in two steps at full speed, even in pads. I watched Voelker take 2.5 steps to cover 5 yards, suggesting that he's stride lenth is down at 6 to 6.5 feet.

For comparison purposes, Bolt's 6'5, so his stride length approaches 9 feet. His turnover rate is pretty similar to the other elite sprinters, but that length means he's only taking 41 strides to cover 100 meters where other sprinters are taking 45 to 48.

Voelker's shorter stride length means he'd have to take 49-50 strides to cover the distance....

I'm afraid physics works against him.

I'm giving the notion that Voelker's one of the top 5 RBs in all of FCS two pinocchios! ;)

I'm sorry, but NO ONE has said at any point in time, whatsoever, that Volker is "one of the top 5 RBs in all of FCS". NO ONE!

[World]

I used to work out with a guy named Brian Cooper...he went 6.52 in the 60 with a 10.07 in the 100 meters. Back in the day, we had Stephen Starring at QB, who was a 4.26 in the 40 and a 10.28 in the 100 meters and a 13.6 in the 110 meter highs; and Theron McClendon at tailback, who was a 4.3 in the 40 and a 10.34 in the 100 meters.

;)

Well, it appears you knew some really fast dudes. The 6.52 60 meter time would have placed 2nd in the NCAA Indoor Championships last Winter and the 10.02 100 meter time would have WON last Spring's NCAA Outdoor Championships....

and

The two players in the same backfield with 4.26/10.28 and 4.3/10.34 would be considered the fastest backfield in the history of high school football, college football and the Pros.

Impressive

[Redbird 4th & short]

again, instead of showing his high school size, you might want to look up the most current size on the Princeton football roster, 6'0" 220 lbs.

regarding his yardage, he has been partly injured that last 2 years but is healthy this year and run for 466 yards in only 5 games, averaging 8.9 yards a carry, even though he is sharing the running duties with another good RB and the QB - the 3 players are averaging 243 yards rushing per game so far

So in 2018 so far, Volcker is getting 8.9 ypc, the team is average 7.5 ypc, and their top 3 are getting 8.9, 9.0, 8.5 .. his ypc is right in line with rest of team.



USHING
GP
Att
Gain
Loss
Net
Avg
TD
Long
Avg/G


Volker, Charlie (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_21.htm)
5
51
466
11
455
8.9
8
52
91.0


Lovett, John (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_12.htm)
4
45
418
14
404
9.0
6
38
101.0


Eaddy, Collin (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_1.htm)
5
30
255
0
255
8.5
1
66
51.0


Gray, Trey (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_20.htm)
5
29
149
1
148
5.1
0
41
29.6


Quigley, Ryan (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_25.htm)
4
21
150
5
145
6.9
2
41
36.2


Campbell, Tyler (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_36.htm)
3
11
61
1
60
5.5
1
26
20.0



Now look at 2017, a mediocre year for team, they obly got 4.0 ypc .. Volcker only got 4.3, take away the 96 yard run, his ypc drops to 3.68. Again, his YPC is right in line with rest of team.



RUSHING
GP
Att
Gain
Loss
Net
Avg
TD
Long
Avg/G


Volker, Charlie (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2017/plyr_20.htm)
9
138
615
15
600
4.3
14
96
66.7


Eaddy, Collin (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2017/plyr_1.htm)
10
63
384
8
376
6.0
2
32
37.6


Quigley, Ryan (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2017/plyr_25.htm)
9
56
233
8
225
4.0
3
16
25.0


Kanoff, Chad (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2017/plyr_11.htm)
10
28
122
43
79
2.8
1
14
7.9



Now 2016, another good year for Princeton, the team got 4.1 ypc, Volcker got 4.5



RUSHING
GP
Att
Gain
Loss
Net
Avg
TD
Long
Avg/G


Volker, Charlie (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_20.htm)
10
128
589
15
574
4.5
4
39
57.4


Rhattigan, Joe (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_36.htm)
9
101
509
6
503
5.0
4
42
55.9


Lovett, John (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_12.htm)
10
98
442
31
411
4.2
20
31
41.1


Glass, AJ (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_6.htm)
8
39
189
13
176
4.5
1
46
22.0


Quigley, Ryan (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_25.htm)
5
22
157
1
156
7.1
1
50
31.2



If he had true blazing FOOTBALL speed playing in Ivy (top 5 RB speed in all of FCS), I would expect his numbers would standout much more from his team. In 3 years, as the team goes, so goes Volcker .. or vice versa .. but he does not standout. Top 5 speed should stand out .. it should be jaw dropping.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Well, it appears you knew some really fast dudes. The 6.52 60 meter time would have placed 2nd in the NCAA Indoor Championships last Winter and the 10.02 100 meter time would have WON last Spring's NCAA Outdoor Championships....

and

The two players in the same backfield with 4.26/10.28 and 4.3/10.34 would be considered the fastest backfield in the history of high school football, college football and the Pros.

Impressive

Well, there's a reason people talk about "Southern Speed"....

But..yeah....they could move.

Cooper won the USA Track and Field Indoor 55 meters one year, and would take wins in the 100, the LJ and some of the indoor spints at big meets in the late 80s, early 90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cooper_(sprinter)

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/brian-cooper-136561

Starring was probably the best pure athlete I've ever seen. He was a QB in college, but transitioned to a WR in the Pros and set an NFL record for most kickoff return yards in a SuperBowl, against the 85 Bears. In 1983, he won three individual events at the Southland Conference meet, the 110 highs, the LJ and the TJ. The following year he went to the NFL, while the guy who finished second to him in all three events at the conference meet, Al Joyner of Arkansas State, had a pretty memorable year, too, winning Olympic Gold in the Triple Jump.

Starring had a 238 yard rushing performance, at QB, against Arkansas State. That's HALF of what Volker's gotten in an entire season.

McClendon was tiny..5'6 on a good day...he signed as a free agent with the Saints, and returned kicks, but didn't stick around long.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Top 5 speed should stand out .. it should be jaw dropping.


EXACTLY!

[Daytripper]

I don't think I have ever such a long thread on such a meaningless topic as some dude's speed.... He's fast. Lot's of college football players are fast. Move on.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Regarding his speed, and whether it is "truly special speed", I would suggest that you take some time to read this thread to find out what exactly a 6.73 time in the 60 meter dash means for speed, particularly for a running back in football.

Everything I need to know about speed and how it translates to football field success was learned ON the track and ON the football field. I've competed against guys who've gone to the Olympic games and against guys who've had successful NFL careers. Moreover, I'm not the Poster who's trying to draw conclusions about speed from a wind-aided time. That was pretty stupid when you get right down to it.

Volker's times are nice. He'd be a good asset on most teams, but your assertions about the stellar nature of his times and how they convert, are pretty wildly optimistic.

That suggests that you're either a fanboy or, perhaps, a parent. In either event, you're not exactly objective in your evaluation.

[ST_Lawson]

Starring was probably the best pure athlete I've ever seen. He was a QB in college, but transitioned to a WR in the Pros and set an NFL record for most kickoff return yards in a SuperBowl, against the 85 Bears.

To be fair, the '85 Bears Superbowl was the largest blowout in SB history up to that point. Chicago scored a lot, so there were probably quite a few kickoffs to return. Still impressive though.

[FormerPokeCenter]

To be fair, the '85 Bears Superbowl was the largest blowout in SB history up to that point. Chicago scored a lot, so there were probably quite a few kickoffs to return. Still impressive though.

LOL, yeah, I thought about mentioning the number of times the Bears kicked off! ;)

[FormerPokeCenter]

here you go on the 6.73 60 meter time and 10.56 100 meter time, both which I have previously provided links for:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?215284-FCS-National-Awards-Watch-Oct-15&p=2693416&viewfull=1#post2693416

Okay...so...the 6.73 time was apparently his first Princeton meet, ever, as a Freshman. It doesn't appear that he's been under 6.8 since and, according to the Princeton site, has been mostly in the high 6.8s and 6.9s ever since.

Since we're trying to educate people about speed on this thread, the normal progression for HS athletes who get to college is to get faster, as they mature and get more muscular, not get slower which he's apparently done. Perhaps he's bulked up and that's causing him to slow down.

The 10.56 time is interesting, because the timing company lists a legal wind, under 2.0 meters per second, but....everybody in that heat apparently set a PR that's .2 to .3 faster than any other times they recorded that year. You can drill down and follow the links, yourself. That suggests to me that there was either an issue with the anemometer or, perhaps, the timer's calibration.

Like the 6.73 time, this was from 2016 and his times have all either gotten slower, or been wind aided.

Again, he's got nice wheels, but we're not talking "special."

[World]

Everything I need to know about speed and how it translates to football field success was learned ON the track and ON the football field. I've competed against guys who've gone to the Olympic games and against guys who've had successful NFL careers. Moreover, I'm not the Poster who's trying to draw conclusions about speed from a wind-aided time. That was pretty stupid when you get right down to it.

Volker's times are nice. He'd be a good asset on most teams, but your assertions about the stellar nature of his times and how they convert, are pretty wildly optimistic.

That suggests that you're either a fanboy or, perhaps, a parent. In either event, you're not exactly objective in your evaluation.


Actually, you DO UNDERSTAND, don't you that Princeton's Volker ran his 6.73 second 60 meter time indoors, therefore it would be impossible to be "wind-aided".

[FormerPokeCenter]

You previously mentined a sub 10.6 time. I believe I've previously drawn your attention to the fact that it was wind aided...

Thanks for playing.

[World]

Okay...so...the 6.73 time was apparently his first Princeton meet, ever, as a Freshman. It doesn't appear that he's been under 6.8 since and, according to the Princeton site, has been mostly in the high 6.8s and 6.9s ever since.

Since we're trying to educate people about speed on this thread, the normal progression for HS athletes who get to college is to get faster, as they mature and get more muscular, not get slower which he's apparently done. Perhaps he's bulked up and that's causing him to slow down.

The 10.56 time is interesting, because the timing company lists a legal wind, under 2.0 meters per second, but....everybody in that heat apparently set a PR that's .2 to .3 faster than any other times they recorded that year. You can drill down and follow the links, yourself. That suggests to me that there was either an issue with the anemometer or, perhaps, the timer's calibration.

Like the 6.73 time, this was from 2016 and his times have all either gotten slower, or been wind aided.

Again, he's got nice wheels, but we're not talking "special."


It appears that the "special" speed that you are referring to would be world class speed, enough to win the NCAA championships or even the world championships...but yet that is not what we are talking about, is it?

We are talking about a 6.73 second 60 meter time that would be fast enough to qualify among the top 5 fastest running backs in the FCS.

Here is a thought, please provide a list of 5 running backs from the FCS that you believe are faster than this speed. And, importantly, don't fail to provide their 40 yard or 60 meter times.

[World]

You previously mentined a sub 10.6 time. I believe I've previously drawn your attention to the fact that it was wind aided...

Thanks for playing.


so you never said this?

"Moreover, I'm not the Poster who's trying to draw conclusions about speed from a wind-aided time. That was pretty stupid when you get right down to it."

No one was drawing any "conclusions" based on the 100 meter time, this 10.56 second 100 meter time was only mentioned to counter the claim that his fastest time was only 10.81.

the 6.73 60 meter time is more appropriate to determine the running backs speed in the football field than the 100 meter time

Here is a thought, please provide a list of 5 running backs from the FCS that you believe are faster than this speed. And, importantly, don't fail to provide their 40 yard or 60 meter times

Lets start with your Southland Conference. I would assume that any football players that are fast enough would also compete in the track & field team. Here are the results of the Southland Conference Indoor Track & Field Champsionship this year:

https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53288/3306089/Southland_Conference_Indoor_Track_&_Field_Championships/Men_60m_Dash/

In the 60 meter finals, only one runner was faster than Volker's 6.73 seconds, and that was a 6.72, only 1/100 of a second faster.

and that T&F runner not only is not a running back, but he doesn't even play on the football team

[McNeese75]

xbangx

[Bison56]

Is this thread for real?

[FormerPokeCenter]

It appears that the "special" speed that you are referring to would be world class speed, enough to win the NCAA championships or even the world championships...but yet that is not what we are talking about, is it?

We are talking about a 6.73 second 60 meter time that would be fast enough to qualify among the top 5 fastest running backs in the FCS.

Here is a thought, please provide a list of 5 running backs from the FCS that you believe are faster than this speed. And, importantly, don't fail to provide their 40 yard or 60 meter times.

He hasn't been anywhere near the 6.73 2016. Every meet in 2017 and 2018 been between 6.84 and 6.99.

His best 100 meter times also came in 2016. Since then his bests have been either wind aided or came in a meet where everybody else in the same heat produced a PR, suggesting that wind might have been an issue.

His 2018 times were all between 10.73 and 11 flat.

Again, nice wheels, but there's nothing in his body of work that suggests the points you're trying to make. What's driving your emotional investiture?

Familial connection???

[World]

He hasn't been anywhere near the 6.73 2016. Every meet in 2017 and 2018 been between 6.84 and 6.99.

His best 100 meter times also came in 2016. Since then his bests have been either wind aided or came in a meet where everybody else in the same heat produced a PR, suggesting that wind might have been an issue.

His 2018 times were all between 10.73 and 11 flat.

Again, nice wheels, but there's nothing in his body of work that suggests the points you're trying to make. What's driving your emotional investiture?

Familial connection???

Again,

Here is a thought, please provide a list of 5 running backs from the FCS that you believe are faster than this 6.73 60 meter speed. And, importantly, don't fail to provide their 40 yard or 60 meter times

You can start with your McNeese State football team

[McNeese75]

"He hasn't been anywhere near the 6.73 2016. Every meet in 2017 and 2018 been between 6.84 and 6.99"

"Here is a thought, please provide a list of 5 running backs from the FCS that you believe are faster than this 6.73 60 meter speed"


What the ****!!!! Can't you get it through your thick head that the kid has slowed down and you are trying to trout his ****ing 2016 times as being current!!! JFC How old are you anyway?

[World]

"He hasn't been anywhere near the 6.73 2016. Every meet in 2017 and 2018 been between 6.84 and 6.99"

"Here is a thought, please provide a list of 5 running backs from the FCS that you believe are faster than this 6.73 60 meter speed"


What the ****!!!! Can't you get it through your thick head that the kid has slowed down and you are trying to trout his ****ing 2016 times as being current!!! JFC How old are you anyway?

Well there you go

And speaking of "thick heads", please provide at least ONE running back from your school's football team (McNeese State) that is faster than the updated, more recent, 6.84 second 60 meter time

and remember that these times by the Princeton running back are for a 6'0" 220 lb RB

and when you do this, please remember that the FASTEST McNeese State Track and Field runner could only do a 6.89 in the 60 meters during the last Conference Indoor Championship - and he does NOT play on the football team

We will be waiting for your answer

[FormerPokeCenter]

Well, in all honesty, the chances of a McNeese running back having a documented collegiate time in the 60 meters are pretty slim.

That's primarily because it would be a waste of time for a McNeese kid who only ran a 10.7 or slower in the 100 meters to go out for track. Unlike in the Ivy League, that wouldn't even get you out of an opening round heat.

100 Meters (Men)Top↑ (https://www.tfrrs.org/lists/2243.html#top)




ATHLETE
YEAR
TEAM
TIME
MEET
MEET DATE


1
Larkins, Micah (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5582328/Northwestern_St/Micah_Larkins)
JR-3
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.02 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/3382131/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/100/)
Home Depot Clyde Littlefield Texas Relays (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/)
Mar 28, 2018


2
Jefferson, Chris (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5117603/Sam_Houston_St/Chris_Jefferson)
JR-3
Sam Houston St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/TX_college_m_Sam_Houston_St.html)
10.08 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/3382131/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/100/)
Home Depot Clyde Littlefield Texas Relays (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/)
Mar 28, 2018


3
James, Amir (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5146131/Northwestern_St/Amir_James)
SR-4
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.12 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/3382131/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/100/)
Home Depot Clyde Littlefield Texas Relays (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/)
Mar 28, 2018


4
Resais , Cliff (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/6218120/SE_Louisiana/Cliff_Resais)
SR-4
SE Louisiana (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_SE_Louisiana.html)
10.23 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/56342/3496939/Southland_Conference_Outdoor_Track_&_Field_Championships/%20100/)
Southland Conference Outdoor Track & Field Championships (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/56342/Southland_Conference_Outdoor_Track_&_Field_Championships/)
May 4, 2018


5
Smith, Tyler (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5632048/McNeese_State/Tyler_Smith)
JR-3
McNeese State (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_McNeese_State.html)
10.32 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/57039/3507364/McNeese_State_Last_Chance/100/)
McNeese State Last Chance (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/57039/McNeese_State_Last_Chance/)
May 12, 2018


6
Cole, Clinton (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5636053/Incarnate_Word/Clinton_Cole)
JR-3
Incarnate Word (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/TX_college_m_Incarnate_Word.html)
10.34 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/55905/3477879/Texas_State_Bobcat_Classic/100/)
Texas State Bobcat Classic (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/55905/Texas_State_Bobcat_Classic/)
Apr 27, 2018


7
Piper, Aaron (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5152082/Stephen_F_Austin/Aaron_Piper)
SR-4
Stephen F. Austin (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/TX_college_m_Stephen_F_Austin.html)
10.37 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/3382131/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/100/)
Home Depot Clyde Littlefield Texas Relays (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/)
Mar 28, 2018


8
Harry, Kie'Ave (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/6530096/Northwestern_St/KieAve_Harry)
SO-2
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.40 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/57039/3507364/McNeese_State_Last_Chance/100/)
McNeese State Last Chance (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/57039/McNeese_State_Last_Chance/)
May 12, 2018


8
Carr, Tre'Darius (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/6530098/Northwestern_St/TreDarius_Carr)
FR-1
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.40 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/55775/3475861/Leon_Johnson_NSU_Invitational/Men_100m_Dash/)
Leon Johnson NSU Invitational (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/55775/Leon_Johnson_NSU_Invitational/)
Apr 28, 2018


10
McGruder, Michael (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/6530095/Northwestern_St/Michael_McGruder)
SR-4
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.43 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/54129/3347773/2018_TCU_Invitational/Men_100m_Dash/)
2018 TCU Invitational (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/54129/2018_TCU_Invitational/)
Mar 16, 2018

[World]

Well, in all honesty, the chances of a McNeese running back having a documented collegiate time in the 60 meters are pretty slim.

That's primarily because it would be a waste of time for a McNeese kid who only ran a 10.7 or slower in the 100 meters to go out for track. Unlike in the Ivy League, that wouldn't even get you out of an opening round heat.

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Top↑

(https://www.tfrrs.org/lists/2243.html#top)




ATHLETE
YEAR
TEAM
TIME
MEET
MEET DATE


1
Larkins, Micah (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5582328/Northwestern_St/Micah_Larkins)
JR-3
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.02 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/3382131/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/100/)
Home Depot Clyde Littlefield Texas Relays (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/)
Mar 28, 2018


2
Jefferson, Chris (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5117603/Sam_Houston_St/Chris_Jefferson)
JR-3
Sam Houston St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/TX_college_m_Sam_Houston_St.html)
10.08 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/3382131/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/100/)
Home Depot Clyde Littlefield Texas Relays (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/)
Mar 28, 2018


3
James, Amir (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5146131/Northwestern_St/Amir_James)
SR-4
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.12 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/3382131/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/100/)
Home Depot Clyde Littlefield Texas Relays (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/)
Mar 28, 2018


4
Resais , Cliff (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/6218120/SE_Louisiana/Cliff_Resais)
SR-4
SE Louisiana (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_SE_Louisiana.html)
10.23 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/56342/3496939/Southland_Conference_Outdoor_Track_&_Field_Championships/%20100/)
Southland Conference Outdoor Track & Field Championships (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/56342/Southland_Conference_Outdoor_Track_&_Field_Championships/)
May 4, 2018


5
Smith, Tyler (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5632048/McNeese_State/Tyler_Smith)
JR-3
McNeese State (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_McNeese_State.html)
10.32 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/57039/3507364/McNeese_State_Last_Chance/100/)
McNeese State Last Chance (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/57039/McNeese_State_Last_Chance/)
May 12, 2018


6
Cole, Clinton (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5636053/Incarnate_Word/Clinton_Cole)
JR-3
Incarnate Word (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/TX_college_m_Incarnate_Word.html)
10.34 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/55905/3477879/Texas_State_Bobcat_Classic/100/)
Texas State Bobcat Classic (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/55905/Texas_State_Bobcat_Classic/)
Apr 27, 2018


7
Piper, Aaron (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/5152082/Stephen_F_Austin/Aaron_Piper)
SR-4
Stephen F. Austin (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/TX_college_m_Stephen_F_Austin.html)
10.37 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/3382131/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/100/)
Home Depot Clyde Littlefield Texas Relays (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53836/Home_Depot_Clyde_Littlefield_Texas_Relays/)
Mar 28, 2018


8
Harry, Kie'Ave (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/6530096/Northwestern_St/KieAve_Harry)
SO-2
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.40 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/57039/3507364/McNeese_State_Last_Chance/100/)
McNeese State Last Chance (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/57039/McNeese_State_Last_Chance/)
May 12, 2018


8
Carr, Tre'Darius (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/6530098/Northwestern_St/TreDarius_Carr)
FR-1
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.40 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/55775/3475861/Leon_Johnson_NSU_Invitational/Men_100m_Dash/)
Leon Johnson NSU Invitational (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/55775/Leon_Johnson_NSU_Invitational/)
Apr 28, 2018


10
McGruder, Michael (https://www.tfrrs.org//athletes/6530095/Northwestern_St/Michael_McGruder)
SR-4
Northwestern St. (https://www.tfrrs.org/teams/LA_college_m_Northwestern_St.html)
10.43 (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/54129/3347773/2018_TCU_Invitational/Men_100m_Dash/)
2018 TCU Invitational (https://www.tfrrs.org/results/54129/2018_TCU_Invitational/)
Mar 16, 2018





Oh wait, so the McNeese State T&F kid, which is slower than the Princeton running back in the 60 meters, runs a 10.32 100 meters?

good stuff

but he doesn't play football and specially isn't a running back

and yet, of your two top McNeese State running backs, the fastest only ran a 4.5 40 yard time

So again, please provide us with 5 FCS running backs that you claim are faster than the equivalent to the updated 6.84 60 meter time run most recently by Princeton's RB Charlie Volker

[FormerPokeCenter]

How about I just provide the link to the 50 college running backs who've currently rushed for more yards than he has, this season?

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/469

[World]

How about I just provide the link to the 50 college running backs who've currently rushed for more yards than he has, this season?

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/469


but wait, we are NOT talking about yards rushed by running backs, are we?

We are very specifically talking about the 5 FASTEST running backs in the FCS


So again, please provide us with 5 FCS running backs that you claim are faster than the equivalent to the updated 6.84 60 meter time run most recently by Princeton's RB Charlie Volker

[FormerPokeCenter]

The bigger picture is that this thread is "FCS National Awards Watch".....Is Volker currently under consideration in the "Most over hyped sprinter playing running back" category or something???

Have you ever considered moving the bulk of these posts to the "Other Sports" thread?

[SochorField]

We are very specifically talking about the 5 FASTEST running backs in the FCS


So again, please provide us with 5 FCS running backs that you claim are faster than the equivalent to the updated 6.84 60 meter time run most recently by Princeton's RB Charlie Volker


No thanks. Who the F cares, dude!

[Cocky]

Jerry Rice Larry Fitzgerald, Chris Carter, Chad Johnson, Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Ben Roethlisbeger, Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, Walter Payton and Emmett Smith were slow.

[World]

Jerry Rice Larry Fitzgerald, Chris Carter, Chad Johnson, Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Ben Roethlisbeger, Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, Walter Payton and Emmett Smith were slow.

Sorry, but none of those players are currently active FCS running backs

please take some time to do the research and come back

[JSUSoutherner]

Sorry, but none of those players are currently active FCS running backs

please take some time to do the research and come back
Volker is better than Emmitt and Sweetness. Duh.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Please take the time to formulate a cogent argument for why Volker should even be mentioned in this thread, and then come back.

[JSUSoutherner]

Please take the time to formulate a cogent argument for why Volker should even be mentioned in this thread, and then come back.

Because he's fast! Are you dense!?

[Derby City Duke]

Is this thread for real?

Unfortunately, it is xdeadhorsex xboringx xsighx

[World]

Please take the time to formulate a cogent argument for why Volker should even be mentioned in this thread, and then come back.

As you have been criticizing Princeton RB Volker's speed and have stated that he would not be among the top 5 fastest FCS running backs,

Please take the time to do some research and come back with 5 faster FCS running backs, and not your 4.5 40 RB from McNessee State, which would get blown out the water by Volker

[JSUSoutherner]

As you have been criticizing Princeton RB Volker's speed and have stated that he would not be among the top 5 fastest FCS running backs,

Please take the time to do some research and come back with 5 faster FCS running backs, and not your 4.5 40 RB from McNessee State, which would get blown out the water by Volker
Why don't you challenge him to a bet and call him a coward. That'll show him.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Good Lord....I wish I had the time to pore over the lists...but, as scintillating as that sounds, I've unfortunately got a few deadlines to meet today..

I'll start doing a little digging.

But, if I concede your point and agree that he's one of the five fastest guys in the FCS, then it seems like we probably need to create another superlative stat to track, maybe "Biggest Underachiever in the FCS?"

But, there could be any number of reasons why a guy with blistering speed isn't simply running away from the competition in a league like the Ivy.

It could be that he's playing in a horrible scheme, with inferior linemen, or the playcalling is suspect...it doesn't have to be limited to underachieving.

What are you thoughts about why a guy that's that fast, with a 220 lb physique on a frame thats's somewhere between 5'10 and 6'0 isn't leading the FCS in rushing, by a wide margin?

Does Princeton mostly throw? Do they have world beating receivers and cannon-armed QB?

Why on earth would a coaching staff underutilize a player like that?

[JSUSoutherner]

Good Lord....I wish I had the time to pore over the lists...but, as scintillating as that sounds, I've unfortunately got a few deadlines to meet today..

I'll start doing a little digging.

But, if I concede your point and agree that he's one of the five fastest guys in the FCS, then it seems like we probably need to create another superlative stat to track, maybe "Biggest Underachiever in the FCS?"

But, there could be any number of reasons why a guy with blistering speed isn't simply running away from the competition in a league like the Ivy.

It could be that he's playing in a horrible scheme, with inferior linemen, or the playcalling is suspect...it doesn't have to be limited to underachieving.

What are you thoughts about why a guy that's that fast, with a 220 lb physique on a frame thats's somewhere between 5'10 and 6'0 isn't leading the FCS in rushing, by a wide margin?

Does Princeton mostly throw? Do they have world beating receivers and cannon-armed QB?

Why on earth would a coaching staff underutilize a player like that?
The Ivy League is obviously SEC caliber so he won't rack up as many yards as he would playing against puny Valley defenses.

Duh.

[FormerPokeCenter]

I knew there was something I was missing! Thanks!

I'm guessing then that Princeton's strength of schedule is through the roof, and they're probably undefeated?

Will NDSU be able to keep up with their Sagarin ratings?

[JSUSoutherner]

I knew there was something I was missing! Thanks!

I'm guessing then that Princeton's strength of schedule is through the roof, and they're probably undefeated?

Will NDSU be able to keep up with their Sagarin ratings?

Sagarin is a joke. He didn't go to an Ivy League school so he's dumb.

[World]

Good Lord....I wish I had the time to pore over the lists...but, as scintillating as that sounds, I've unfortunately got a few deadlines to meet today..

I'll start doing a little digging.

But, if I concede your point and agree that he's one of the five fastest guys in the FCS, then it seems like we probably need to create another superlative stat to track, maybe "Biggest Underachiever in the FCS?"

But, there could be any number of reasons why a guy with blistering speed isn't simply running away from the competition in a league like the Ivy.

It could be that he's playing in a horrible scheme, with inferior linemen, or the playcalling is suspect...it doesn't have to be limited to underachieving.

What are you thoughts about why a guy that's that fast, with a 220 lb physique on a frame thats's somewhere between 5'10 and 6'0 isn't leading the FCS in rushing, by a wide margin?

Does Princeton mostly throw? Do they have world beating receivers and cannon-armed QB?

Why on earth would a coaching staff underutilize a player like that?


As has been already discussed, the Princeton running back is now 2nd in all of the FCS in rushing yards/carry at 8.9. Averaging close to "only" 100 yards per game rushing due to sharing the rushing duties with the QB and another excellent RB, in addition to the significant passing game that the team has - which takes rushes away from the runners. The team leads the FCS in total offense with close to 700 yards per game. Regarding the QB? He is up there with being the best QB in the FCS, with a passer rating at #2 in the FCS and leading the FCS in rushing yards/carry and responsible for about 5 TD's per game rushing and passing. And the receivers? Princeton's top two receivers, at about 6'4" each and 220 lbs, would be considered among the top combination of WR's in the FCS. And...oh yes, Princeton leads the FCS in scoring at 52 points per game.

Just a quick note, your two "world class speed" McNeese State players that you bragged from the '80's about were not exactly "leaders" even in their own conference in rushing yards, averaging less than 100 yards per game during their college careers....

[smallcollegefbfan]

As you have been criticizing Princeton RB Volker's speed and have stated that he would not be among the top 5 fastest FCS running backs,

Please take the time to do some research and come back with 5 faster FCS running backs, and not your 4.5 40 RB from McNessee State, which would get blown out the water by Volker

NFL teams have Volker as a 4.5 guy so if the big RB at McNeese is a 4.5 then they are the same. You could just say hey "We have a RB Volker who is 220 and supposedly runs a 4.4, he is fast and I'll be curious to see if he ends up being one of the fastest from FCS in this draft class" That would sound much better.

[SoDakSA]

I am really going to kick myself for asking this question, but why should we care about anyone's 40/60/100 meter time? Isn't it more about on-field performance (total yards)? 60 meters breaks down to a little under 66 yards. Wouldn't a better metric to just a RB on be something closer to 10 yards (9 meters)?

I feel like this has turned into a measuring contest..and it isn't about speed.

[POD Knows]

I never thought I would ever say or type this, but I hope Harvard kicks Princeton's ass just to shut this World guy up.

[FormerPokeCenter]

As you have been criticizing Princeton RB Volker's speed and have stated that he would not be among the top 5 fastest FCS running backs,

Please take the time to do some research and come back with 5 faster FCS running backs, and not your 4.5 40 RB from McNessee State, which would get blown out the water by Volker

Okay, so perhaps I was a little too critical. When I hear somebody talking about superlative speed, I immediately think about my experiences playing on teams blessed with exeptional speed, or in competing against people blessed with exceptional speed, so...I can see why your view about the relevance of Volker's times are different than mine.

I'll just say this....the runs I've seen are consistent with a 4.5 guy, I certainly haven't seen anything that shows him running away from anybody who's got speed. I know what that looks like. I watched Joe Delaney do it, and I watched Stephen Starring obliterate the angle that Darryl Green had on him in college, so the chances of me being impressed with a 4.5 guy are pretty slim.

The bigger question is, as a Princeton Fan, what are you doing to bring attention to the travesty of how the Princeton coaching staff is underutilizing that rare talent of his???

[FormerPokeCenter]

As has been already discussed, the Princeton running back is now 2nd in all of the FCS in rushing yards/carry at 8.9. Averaging close to "only" 100 yards per game rushing due to sharing the rushing duties with the QB and another excellent RB, in addition to the significant passing game that the team has - which takes rushes away from the runners. The team leads the FCS in total offense with close to 700 yards per game. Regarding the QB? He is up there with being the best QB in the FCS, with a passer rating at #2 in the FCS and leading the FCS in rushing yards/carry. And the receivers? Princeton's top two receivers, at about 6'4" each and 220 lbs, would be considered among the top combination of WR's in the FCS. And...oh yes, Princeton leads the FCS in scoring at 52 points per game.

Just a quick note, your two "world class speed" McNeese State players that you bragged from the '80's about were not exactly "leaders" even in their own conference in rushing yards....

I dunno, Starring led the league in total offense, and - again - had 248 rushing yards in one game...he was also the MVP of the 1980 Independence Bowl, and was an All SLC QB...Theron McClendon split time with future NFLer Buford Jordan but was still the leading rusher in the SLC in 1980 with over 1200 yards. Jordan had right at 1000 yards that year, if memory serves me correctly.

EDIT: Jordan had just shy of 800 yards as a true Freshman that year. Starring had 900 yards rushing. McClendon over 1200. The next year, the totals were similar with McClendon and Jordan switching stats.

So...in your world, your guy gets a break because he splits time, but in the next breath you're gonna tell me that you don't find a guy who gained 1200 yards, despite splitting time, to be all that impressive?

You never answered the question. Are you one of Charlie's parents? Or maybe a Girlfiend?

Or....perhaps there's another possibility ;)

[World]

NFL teams have Volker as a 4.5 guy so if the big RB at McNeese is a 4.5 then they are the same. You could just say hey "We have a RB Volker who is 220 and supposedly runs a 4.4, he is fast and I'll be curious to see if he ends up being one of the fastest from FCS in this draft class" That would sound much better.

Well, there you go, fair enough

Have a nice day

[World]

I dunno, Starring led the league in total offense, and - again - had 248 rushing yards in one game...he was also the MVP of the 1980 Independence Bowl, and was an All SLC QB...Theron McClendon split time with future NFLer Buford Jordan but was still the leading rusher in the SLC in 1980 with over 1200 yards. Jordan had right at 1000 yards that year, if memory serves me correctly.

EDIT: Jordan had just shy of 800 yards as a true Freshman that year. Starring had 900 yards rushing. McClendon over 1200. The next year, the totals were similar with McClendon and Jordan switching stats.

So...in your world, your guy gets a break because he splits time, but in the next breath you're gonna tell me that you don't find a guy who gained 1200 yards, despite splitting time, to be all that impressive?

You never answered the question. Are you one of Charlie's parents? Or maybe a Girlfiend?

Or....perhaps there's another possibility ;)

and yet, when you look at the college careers of your two "world class speedsters", they averaged less than Volkers current yards per game rushing average...

So again, tell us about the "world class speed" of your McNeese State football players and why they really didn't destroy the competition with their rushing yards, as you are claiming the Princeton running back should be doing with his slower speed?

[World]

Okay, so perhaps I was a little too critical. When I hear somebody talking about superlative speed, I immediately think about my experiences playing on teams blessed with exeptional speed, or in competing against people blessed with exceptional speed, so...I can see why your view about the relevance of Volker's times are different than mine.

I'll just say this....the runs I've seen are consistent with a 4.5 guy, I certainly haven't seen anything that shows him running away from anybody who's got speed. I know what that looks like. I watched Joe Delaney do it, and I watched Stephen Starring obliterate the angle that Darryl Green had on him in college, so the chances of me being impressed with a 4.5 guy are pretty slim.

The bigger question is, as a Princeton Fan, what are you doing to bring attention to the travesty of how the Princeton coaching staff is underutilizing that rare talent of his???

actually, it is not a "travesty"

that is how good the QB and Receivers are to take carries away from Princeton RB Volker

[FormerPokeCenter]

and yet, when you look at the college careers of your two "world class speedsters", they averaged less than Volkers current yards per game rushing average...

So again, tell us about the "world class speed" of your McNeese State football players and why they really didn't destroy the competition with their rushing yards, as you are claiming the Princeton running back should be doing with his slower speed?

Uh...they went 11-1 in 1979, and got a berth in the Indepedence Bowl, where they played against Little Joe Morris, Art Monk, and the Hurley kid from Syracuse. In 1980, they went 10-2 and notched another Indy Bowl bid, where they played aginst Sammy Winder, Louis Lipps and the QB they had who went to Dallas.

Jordan had over 4,000 yards rushing in a four year career, despite splitting time with another running back... And had a nice career in the NFL.

Starring had over 1900 yards rushing, despite taking some sacks as a QB. He had close to 4,000 yards passing, but we rarely passed. He went on to an NFL career.

McClendon had 2,900 yards rushing in a four year career despite splitting time. Included in that total was a 46-carry, 212 yard performance against La Tech, who had a couple of NFL bound defensive tackles.

He signed with the Saints.

By contrast, Voelker's had 1600 yards in three years against competition that's suspect, at best.

And you're seriously thinking that the guys I've listed are scrubs?

Are you familiar with the term "objectivity" and/or the word "destroy?"

[FormerPokeCenter]

actually, it is not a "travesty"

that is how good the QB and Receivers are to take carries away from Princeton RB Volker


So what you're really saying is that all this has been to tout the Princeton QB and Recievers? I guess I have to start paying better attention. I didn't realize they were dominating the FCS statistical rankings...

Apparently, nobody else noticed that either, since Princeton's passing game isn't among the top 50 FCS squads, statistically.

Have you guys ever considered benching Volker, to let the QB and recievers get more reps?????

[Redbird 4th & short]

So in 2018 so far, Volcker is getting 8.9 ypc, the team is average 7.5 ypc, and their top 3 are getting 8.9, 9.0, 8.5 .. his ypc is right in line with rest of team.



USHING
GP
Att
Gain
Loss
Net
Avg
TD
Long
Avg/G


Volker, Charlie (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_21.htm)
5
51
466
11
455
8.9
8
52
91.0


Lovett, John (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_12.htm)
4
45
418
14
404
9.0
6
38
101.0


Eaddy, Collin (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_1.htm)
5
30
255
0
255
8.5
1
66
51.0


Gray, Trey (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_20.htm)
5
29
149
1
148
5.1
0
41
29.6


Quigley, Ryan (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_25.htm)
4
21
150
5
145
6.9
2
41
36.2


Campbell, Tyler (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2018/plyr_36.htm)
3
11
61
1
60
5.5
1
26
20.0



Now look at 2017, a mediocre year for team, they obly got 4.0 ypc .. Volcker only got 4.3, take away the 96 yard run, his ypc drops to 3.68. Again, his YPC is right in line with rest of team.



RUSHING
GP
Att
Gain
Loss
Net
Avg
TD
Long
Avg/G


Volker, Charlie (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2017/plyr_20.htm)
9
138
615
15
600
4.3
14
96
66.7


Eaddy, Collin (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2017/plyr_1.htm)
10
63
384
8
376
6.0
2
32
37.6


Quigley, Ryan (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2017/plyr_25.htm)
9
56
233
8
225
4.0
3
16
25.0


Kanoff, Chad (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2017/plyr_11.htm)
10
28
122
43
79
2.8
1
14
7.9



Now 2016, another good year for Princeton, the team got 4.1 ypc, Volcker got 4.5



RUSHING
GP
Att
Gain
Loss
Net
Avg
TD
Long
Avg/G


Volker, Charlie (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_20.htm)
10
128
589
15
574
4.5
4
39
57.4


Rhattigan, Joe (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_36.htm)
9
101
509
6
503
5.0
4
42
55.9


Lovett, John (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_12.htm)
10
98
442
31
411
4.2
20
31
41.1


Glass, AJ (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_6.htm)
8
39
189
13
176
4.5
1
46
22.0


Quigley, Ryan (https://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/statistics/fb/2016/plyr_25.htm)
5
22
157
1
156
7.1
1
50
31.2



If he had true blazing FOOTBALL speed playing in Ivy (top 5 RB speed in all of FCS), I would expect his numbers would standout much more from his team. In 3 years, as the team goes, so goes Volcker .. or vice versa .. but he does not standout. Top 5 speed should stand out .. it should be jaw dropping.
World .. there you go again with your liberal use of superlatives. see Princeton Rushing leaders the last 3 years .. it tells a story that does not align with your claims.

So suppose you're right about how great everyone is on Princeton this year .. what happened last year when they were much weaker (5-5 in Ivy League) or even the year before when they were 8-2 ? Why didn't Volker ever stand out from his team in ypc in any of his 3 years ? Something is not adding up ... guys with top 5 RB speed should stand out on their team.

At ISUr .. All American Marshaun Coprich ran a 4.47 at NFL combine .. honestly, most of us were surprised he was sub 4.5, and he ran away from people all the time in the best conference in FCS with teams game planning for him every game for 3 years. Tre Roberson ran a 4.52 and he ran away from people all the time .. we figured he was low 4.5's, so this time didn't surprise us.

Point being 4.40 is really fast ... jaw starts to hang. Sub 4.40 and jaws start to drop. Your guy rarely runs away from defenders the prior 2 years and plays in the Ivy League. He's having a really good year, like everyone else in that offense. But last 2 years were pretty unspectacular. Anybody running a tru 4.40 at 220 lbs should have been tearing up the Ivy League all along. And it would appear he has slowed down and having his best year in ypc along with rest of this offense.

[MSUBobcat]

This World chick is funny. A guy in track shoes and short shorts is just as fast in cleats and pads? A fast running back should also be required to go out for the track team and risk injury in a secondary sport? Is there no logical middle ground between the 2? Would a fast ice skater be equally fast running? Lots of unrelated assumptions in this thread.

Let's all just admit it. Volkers is going to set the NFL on FIRE! They'll probably implement rules against him so his opponents can HOPE to contain this perfect specimen of human form. He's what I imagine if Jesus played RB.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Well, when you put it like that....I guess I can see your point....

Can we write in Volker for the Payton??

[World]

Uh...they went 11-1 in 1979, and got a berth in the Indepedence Bowl, where they played against Little Joe Morris, Art Monk, and the Hurley kid from Syracuse. In 1980, they went 10-2 and notched another Indy Bowl bid, where they played aginst Sammy Winder, Louis Lipps and the QB they had who went to Dallas.

Jordan had over 4,000 yards rushing in a four year career, despite splitting time with another running back... And had a nice career in the NFL.

Starring had over 1900 yards rushing, despite taking some sacks as a QB. He had close to 4,000 yards passing, but we rarely passed. He went on to an NFL career.

McClendon had 2,900 yards rushing in a four year career despite splitting time. Included in that total was a 46-carry, 212 yard performance against La Tech, who had a couple of NFL bound defensive tackles.

He signed with the Saints.

By contrast, Voelker's had 1600 yards in three years against competition that's suspect, at best.

And you're seriously thinking that the guys I've listed are scrubs?

Are you familiar with the term "objectivity" and/or the word "destroy?"


Well thanks for verifying that your two "world class speed" players in the same backfield averaged only 475 yards and 725 yards per year rushing in their college careers, after complaining that Volkers current rate of close to 1,000 yards for the season is ridiculously low for a RB of his alleged speed.

[FormerPokeCenter]

One of those guys was a QB, and his yardage was over three years.

Also, you're comparing your guy's one year production to an average of a career...

Your guys's career average, at this point, is what, mid 400s?

Even the QB averaged over 600, despite passing and despite taking sacks...

And that's the point. Your guy should have better stats, particularly since he's not playing against NFL caliber talent, nor is he splitting time with NFL caliber talent.

You can't have it both ways. If he's a world beater, then why isn't he beating the world???

Also, that Jordan guy I mentioned was 220 lbs...not as fast as the other guys, but a legit 4.5...and gained 4,000 yards despite splitting time with somebody else.

[World]

So what you're really saying is that all this has been to tout the Princeton QB and Recievers? I guess I have to start paying better attention. I didn't realize they were dominating the FCS statistical rankings...

Apparently, nobody else noticed that either, since Princeton's passing game isn't among the top 50 FCS squads, statistically.

Have you guys ever considered benching Volker, to let the QB and recievers get more reps?????


Geesh, you have to be some type of moronic fool not to see that a team that is ranked 15th in all of the FCS in passing yards per game at 295.2 yards/game isn't among the top 50 FCS squads in passing

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/25




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http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/images/logos/schools/p/princeton.17.pngPrinceton (https://www.ncaa.com/schools/princeton)
5
160
110
0
1476
9.23
13.42
17
295.2



not surprised though

[World]

One of those guys was a QB, and his yardage was over three years.

Also, you're comparing your guy's one year production to an average of a career...

Your guys's career average, at this point, is what, mid 400s?

Even the QB averaged over 600, despite passing and despite taking sacks...

And that's the point. Your guy should have better stats, particularly since he's not playing against NFL caliber talent, nor is he splitting time with NFL caliber talent.

You can't have it both ways. If he's a world beater, then why isn't he beating the world???


and yet it was YOU that was attacking the Princeton RB for not gaining too many rushing yards this season considering his speed, even though he is on a pace to hit about 1,000 yds/year this year....

while your two "world class speed" guys only averaged 475 yards and 725 yards per year rushing in their college careers

[MSUBobcat]

and yet it was YOU that was attacking the Princeton RB for not gaining too many rushing yards this season considering his speed, even though he is on a pace to hit about 1,000 yds/game this year....

while your two "world class speed" guys only averaged 475 yards and 725 yards per year rushing in their college careers

You'd almost have to be some kind of moronic fool to think he is on pace for a thousand yards per game this year. 850 a game, sure... but not a THOUSAND!

[FormerPokeCenter]

Geesh, you have to be some type of moronic fool not to see that a team that is ranked 15th in all of the FCS in passing yards per game at 295.2 yards/game isn't among the top 50 FCS squads in passing

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/25




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http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/images/logos/schools/p/princeton.17.pngPrinceton (https://www.ncaa.com/schools/princeton)
5
160
110
0
1476
9.23
13.42
17
295.2



not surprised though




My bad....I didn't see a Princeton QB among the top 50 in the FCS...

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/453

Are you guys doing QB by committee, too?

[FormerPokeCenter]

and yet it was YOU that was attacking the Princeton RB for not gaining too many rushing yards this season considering his speed, even though he is on a pace to hit about 1,000 yds/game this year....

while your two "world class speed" guys only averaged 475 yards and 725 yards per year rushing in their college careers

Actually, it's 633 and 725 a year, despite one guy splitting time with an NFL caliber back, and the other one splitting time running and throwing, both of which are clearly inferior in circumstance and production to your guy's 450 yard per year average...

[World]

World .. there you go again with your liberal use of superlatives. see Princeton Rushing leaders the last 3 years .. it tells a story that does not align with your claims.

So suppose you're right about how great everyone is on Princeton this year .. what happened last year when they were much weaker (5-5 in Ivy League) or even the year before when they were 8-2 ? Why didn't Volker ever stand out from his team in ypc in any of his 3 years ? Something is not adding up ... guys with top 5 RB speed should stand out on their team.

At ISUr .. All American Marshaun Coprich ran a 4.47 at NFL combine .. honestly, most of us were surprised he was sub 4.5, and he ran away from people all the time in the best conference in FCS with teams game planning for him every game for 3 years. Tre Roberson ran a 4.52 and he ran away from people all the time .. we figured he was low 4.5's, so this time didn't surprise us.

Point being 4.40 is really fast ... jaw starts to hang. Sub 4.40 and jaws start to drop. Your guy rarely runs away from defenders the prior 2 years and plays in the Ivy League. He's having a really good year, like everyone else in that offense. But last 2 years were pretty unspectacular. Anybody running a tru 4.40 at 220 lbs should have been tearing up the Ivy League all along. And it would appear he has slowed down and having his best year in ypc along with rest of this offense.


Ok, I understand, but I guess you missed the FACT that Princeton's Volker has been playing injured for most of the past 2 years before this season. This year is his first full year without playing injured...

Regarding speed and regard size, although good for a RB, you know very very well that these don't guarantee a RB to excel on the field. Many world class sprinters have failed as running backs and many big RB's have failed on the field...

[MSUBobcat]

Well, when you put it like that....I guess I can see your point....

Can we write in Volker for the Payton??

No... you can write him in for the Hobey Walter Heisman Naismith award. It's newly created for the most gifted athlete to ever grace God's green earth and indicates that he would dominate men's college ice hockey, both levels of D-I football AND bouncyball. Obviously, this will be the first and ONLY year anyone qualifies.

[World]

Actually, it's 633 and 725 a year, despite one guy splitting time with an NFL caliber back, and the other one splitting time running and throwing, both of which are clearly inferior in circumstance and production to your guy's 450 yard per year average...


so now its 633 and 735 yards rushing per year for the two McNeese State RB's that you have claimed and claimed and claimed are "World Class Speed" football players and 450 yards per year before this year for Princeton's Volker who played mostly injured during those years and now is on track to rush for about 1,000 yards this season - even though you have claimed that he isn't particularly specially fast..

Ok, I understand

[World]

You'd almost have to be some kind of moronic fool to think he is on pace for a thousand yards per game this year. 850 a game, sure... but not a THOUSAND!

Oh, off by 150 yards.....and you must be some type of moronic fool not to realize that Princeton's Volker has been playing mostly 1/2 a game in Princeton's blowout games the beginning of the season and will play more per game from now on...therefore the average yards per game should be increased in order to extrapolite..

[FormerPokeCenter]

so now its 633 and 735 yards rushing per year for the two McNeese State RB's that you have claimed and claimed and claimed are "World Class Speed" football players and 450 yards per year before this year for Princeton's Volker who played mostly injured during those years and now is on track to rush for about 1,000 yards this season - even though you have claimed that he isn't particularly specially fast..

Ok, I understand

I have an idea...why don't you have Volker apply for a medical red shirt? I mean, clearly his case would be strong considering that he's been limited to a 450 yard average....

It seems like a slam dunk. At least as likely as being included on the Payton watch!

[World]

So what you're really saying is that all this has been to tout the Princeton QB and Recievers? I guess I have to start paying better attention. I didn't realize they were dominating the FCS statistical rankings...

Apparently, nobody else noticed that either, since Princeton's passing game isn't among the top 50 FCS squads, statistically.

Have you guys ever considered benching Volker, to let the QB and recievers get more reps?????


I'm sorry, but are you talking about the Princeton QB that is 2nd in all of the FCS in passer rating and 1st in rushing yards per carry?

Or are you talking about Princeton's two star 6'4" WR's that together lead all FCS WR duos in receiving yards per game at 212.2 yards per game?

[World]

I have an idea...why don't you have Volker apply for a medical red shirt? I mean, clearly his case would be strong considering that he's been limited to a 450 yard average....

It seems like a slam dunk. At least as likely as being included on the Payton watch!

and yet a better idea, why don't you tell us more about McNeese State's "World Class Speed" backfield football players and all those yards that they averaged per year in rushing?

or maybe you might want to tell us more about McNeese State's current top two RB's that are averaging only 38 and 31 yards per game during the season against lowly competition, at 3.5 and 3.9 yards per carry compared to Princeton's Volker who averages 91 yards/game and 8.9 yards per carry this season, and who together have totaled only 3 TD's rushing in 6 games compared to Volker's 8 TD's in only 5 games?

[FormerPokeCenter]

and yet a better idea, why don't you tell us more about McNeese State's "World Class Speed" backfield football players and all those yards that they averaged per year in rushing?

or maybe you might want to tell us more about McNeese State's current top to RB's that are averaging only 38 and 31 yards per game during the season against lowly competition, at 3.5 and 3.9 yards per carry compared to Princeton's Volker who averages 8.9 yards per carry this season?

McNeese's current running backs are splitting carries three ways...and....McNeese's offense, currently, isn't particularly good.

But, to your point about McClendon and Starring, they were national class athletes, with a 10.28 and a 10.34. Starring was a track All American in two events.

Cooper, with his 10.07 time in the 100 and his 26'11 in the long jump was world class. He toyed with the idea of playing football, but ultimately decided to move to Houston and train with Carl Lewis and Tom Tellez.

I think you're finally starting to understand about the different levels of speed. You're not there yet, but you're getting closer....

To put the yardage thing in perspective...during the time that McClendon and Jordan split time at tailback, while Starring was the QB, McNeese totalled close to 8,000 yards rushing by committee, as there were a lot of guys who touched the ball. During the Volker era, Princeton's totalled just over 5,000 yards rushing.

You do realize that 8,000 is more than 5,000 right?

[MSUBobcat]

and yet it was YOU that was attacking the Princeton RB for not gaining too many rushing yards this season considering his speed, even though he is on a pace to hit about 1,000 yds/game this year....

while your two "world class speed" guys only averaged 475 yards and 725 yards per year rushing in their college careers


Oh, off by 150 yards.....and you must be some type of moronic fool not to realize that Princeton's Volker has been playing most 1/2 a game in Princeton's blowout games the beginning of the season and will play more per game from now on...therefore the average yards per game should be increased in order to extrapolite..

You truly would have to be a drooling idiot to not realize I was giving you $#it for saying he's on pace to hit 1,000 yards per game. Especially when I bolded it in your post that I quoted. Reading comprehension at Princeton is not what it once was, I gather.

[SoDakSA]

Guys...this will all be sorted out in the playoffs when the best teams face off against each other...

[World]

McNeese's current running backs are splitting carries three ways...and....McNeese's offense, currently, isn't particularly good.

But, to your point about McClendon and Starring, they were national class athletes, with a 10.28 and a 10.34. Starring was a track All American in two events.

Cooper, with his 10.07 time in the 100 and his 26'11 in the long jump was world class. He toyed with the idea of playing football, but ultimately decided to move to Houston and train with Carl Lewis and Tom Tellez.

I think you're finally starting to understand about the different levels of speed. You're not there yet, but you're getting closer....


so again, tell us about these two "National Class Speed" football players that barely managed to achieve a few hundred yards per year in rushing ( 633 and 725) when you were criticizing Princeton's RB, who is on pace for a 1,000 yard rushing year while saying he should be gaining much higher yards rushing if he had the alleged speed that was claimed?

[World]

You'd almost have to be some kind of moronic fool to think he is on pace for a thousand yards per game this year. 850 a game, sure... but not a THOUSAND!

Well thanks for pointing out the clerical mistake...I have now changed the /game into /year

good stuff

[Katfan]

To be fair he ran a 6.70 in the prelim. If we’re looking for the fastest time. Just saying. Wonder if he can catch the ball?

[World]

My bad....I didn't see a Princeton QB among the top 50 in the FCS...

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/453

Are you guys doing QB by committee, too?


Huh? the Princeton QB is not among the top 50 in the FCS?


You really must be some kind of moron

not to see that


The Princeton's QB is #29 in passing yard per game at 233/game

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/454


The Princeton QB is #4 in the FCS in Total Offense/game:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/11


The Princeton QB is #1 of all players in the FCS at 9.0 rushing yards per carry

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/907


The Princeton QB is #2 in Passer Efficiency:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/907


The Princeton QB is #20 in Rushing Yards/game at 101 yards/game

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/7


The Princeton QB is #1 in the FCS in Total Points Responsible per game:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/747

[MSUBobcat]

so again, tell us about these two "National Class Speed" football players that barely managed to achieve a few hundred yards per year in rushing ( 633 and 725) when you were criticizing Princeton's RB, who is on pace for a 1,000 yard rushing year while saying he should be gaining much higher yards rushing if he had the alleged speed that was claimed?

Hey Cherrypicker, I believe those were the CAREER rushing yards per year. Thru 2 and a half years, your World-beater has 1,629 yards... that averages out to 652 yards per year. Better than one of FPC's examples, a full 10% less than the other. Apples to apples, son. Math is also not a strong suit for you if you think averaging 91 yards/game over a 10 game season comes to over 1,000 yards.

[FormerPokeCenter]

so again, tell us about these two "National Class Speed" football players that barely managed to achieve a few hundred yards per year in rushing ( 633 and 725) when you were criticizing Princeton's RB, who is on pace for a 1,000 yard rushing year while saying he should be gaining much higher yards rushing if he had the alleged speed that was claimed?


I'll
Go
S-L-O-W-L-Y
...

That 633 and 725 is for a career.

Both of those guys have single season marks of over 1000 yards rushing, despite one of them splitting time with a future NFLer and the other spending a lot of his time passing from the QB position. At various times, they both had injuries to deal with. They played against a LOT of NFL caliber talent.

Your guy plays in the Ivy League. I'm not sure I need to elaborate on that much, if any.

Assuming your guy gets to 1000 yards, against inferior talent, he'll have averaged about 675 for his career.

Again, your guy has nice speed. I'm really sorry that you don't realize that a 10.7 is slower than either 10.28 or 10.34. I realize it's counter intuitive but with regard to track speed, you want lower numers on the stop watch, because the lesser time quantity means you're covering a distance faster.

100 meters, in 10.7 seconds means you're travelling at 9.34 meters per second.

100 meters, in 10.28 seconds means you're traveling at 9.72 meters per second.

Lower times means a higher rate of covering ground. The higher rate is better.

I realie all those conflicting standards may be causing you some confusion, but physics is like that sometimes...

[JSUSoutherner]

I'll
Go
S-L-O-W-L-Y
Of course you will. You aren't a Princeton RB after all.

[MSUBobcat]

Of course you will. You aren't a Princeton RB after all.

/thread

[FormerPokeCenter]

Of course you will. You aren't a Princeton RB after all.

Sometimes I fail to grasp the obvious!

[Schism55]

Of course you will. You aren't a Princeton RB after all.
Shut it down folks.
Nuttin more to see here xdrunkyx

[FormerPokeCenter]

I might have to change my screenname to "Not a Princeton Running Back"....

[World]

I'll
Go
S-L-O-W-L-Y
...

That 633 and 725 is for a career.

Both of those guys have single season marks of over 1000 yards rushing, despite one of them splitting time with a future NFLer and the other spending a lot of his time passing from the QB position. At various times, they both had injuries to deal with. They played against a LOT of NFL caliber talent.

Your guy plays in the Ivy League. I'm not sure I need to elaborate on that much, if any.

Assuming your guy gets to 1000 yards, against inferior talent, he'll have averaged about 675 for his career.

Again, your guy has nice speed. I'm really sorry that you don't realize that a 10.7 is slower than either 10.28 or 10.34. I realize it's counter intuitive but with regard to track speed, you want lower numers on the stop watch, because the lesser time quantity means you're covering a distance faster.

100 meters, in 10.7 seconds means you're travelling at 9.34 meters per second.

100 meters, in 10.28 seconds means you're traveling at 9.72 meters per second.

Lower times means a higher rate of covering ground. The higher rate is better.

I realie all those conflicting standards may be causing you some confusion, but physics is like that sometimes...


Well thanks for the info

So you are finally admitting that the Princeton RB that you thrashed for not gaining as many yards rushing considering his alleged speed, turns out has gained about the same yards rushing per season, 675, than your two "World Class Speed" football players, 633 and 725, which you have concluded and stated over and over again, are a whole new level in speed above the Princeton RB.

Very helpful thanks

now regarding the Ivy league, it currently ranks #5 in the Sagarin football conference rankings compared to your Southland Conference #7 lowly ranking.

[FormerPokeCenter]

No, I said that IF he gets to 1000 yards this year, that'll be the case. He's not there yet.

And, specifically, my point was he should have been averaging more than the 4-600 yards per year that he's currently averaging. Also, that 633 rushing average is for a guy who played QB.

But, I don't expect you Ivy Leaguers to be able to grasp the finer points of comparative contrasts. Just yesterday, Harvard Testified that it wasn't discriminatory for the Crimson's admissions office to require higher test scores from Asians.

[JSUSoutherner]

Well thanks for the info

So you are finally admitting that the Princeton RB that you thrashed for not gaining as many yards rushing considering his alleged speed, turns out has gained about the same yards rushing per season, 675, than your two "World Class Speed" football players, 633 and 725, which you have concluded and stated over and over again, are a whole new level in speed above the Princeton RB.

Very helpful thanks

now regarding the Ivy league, it currently ranks #5 in the Sagarin football conference rankings compared to your Southland Conference #7 lowly ranking.

The Ivy is 1 point above the OVC and the OVC is CHEEEEEEEKS.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Huh? the Princeton QB is not among the top 50 in the FCS?


You really must be some kind of moron

not to see that


The Princeton's QB is #29 in passing yard per game at 233/game

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/454


The Princeton QB is #4 in the FCS in Total Offense/game:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/11


The Princeton QB is #1 of all players in the FCS at 9.0 rushing yards per carry

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/907


The Princeton QB is #2 in Passer Efficiency:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/907


The Princeton QB is #20 in Rushing Yards/game at 101 yards/game

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/7


The Princeton QB is #1 in the FCS in Total Points Responsible per game:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/individual/747



That's weird....with all that, you'd think he'd have more than 900 total passing yards...

[World]

No, I said that IF he gets to 1000 yards this year, that'll be the case. He's not there yet.

And, specifically, my point was he should have been averaging more than the 4-600 yards per year that he's currently averaging. Also, that 633 rushing average is for a guy who played QB.

But, I don't expect you Ivy Leaguers to be able to grasp the finer points of comparative contrasts. Just yesterday, Harvard Testified that it wasn't discriminatory for the Crimson's admissions office to require higher test scores from Asians.


So let me see if I can understand this

you continue to state, that based on the Princeton RB's alleged speed, he should be averaging a multiple more rushing yards per season than what he is currently averaging, even though your two "World Class Speed" football players, which had a speed multiple levels faster than the Princeton RB, only average about the same yards rushing per year as the the Princeton RB?

Geesh

regarding your insults to the intelligence of the Ivy Leaguers, at least they aren't forced to work in a wood shop, car garage or something like that after getting a degree from your trade school, because of the lack of ability to write or do math learned from the trade school

[FormerPokeCenter]

Actually, what I've said and what I continue to say is that if your guy was as fast as you maintain, his production should be markedly higher. I don't think he's actually six foot tall. I'm gonna guess 5'10...somewhere north of 200 lbs. A 6'2", 220 lb back with decent speed mentioned in my posts earlier, gained over 4000 yards in his career.

The two nationally ranked sprinters gained 2900 and 1900 respectively despite splitting time with A.) a future NFL running back who averaged over 1000 a year in college and B.) Playing QB.

Specifically, my point was that your guy ISN'T averaging what they did despite the metrics that you're claiming and he should have been. When you drill down, you see that the metrics you've chosen in your initial posts are somewhat speculative in that they ignore the overwhelming bulk of his work on the track in favor of highly selective choices that include wind aided times and something he hasn't come close to in the last two years.

[World]

That's weird....with all that, you'd think he'd have more than 900 total passing yards...

and you again would have to be a moron not to know that the Princeton QB only has played 4 out of the 5 games played by Princeton this year

[FormerPokeCenter]

Yes, who could resist following the Ivies!

[JSUSoutherner]

Yes, who could resist following the Ivies!

You couldn't keep up if you tried.

[POD Knows]

and you again would have to be a moron not to know that the Princeton QB only has played 4 out of the 5 games played by Princeton this yearYou would have to be a moron to think Princeton is relevant about anything regarding football. You trust fund babies, daddy legacy, secret handshake ****s, don't carry any football water on here.

[FormerPokeCenter]

You couldn't keep up if you tried.


I wish I could rep you again for that one!

[JSUSoutherner]

I wish I could rep you again for that one!
It's the thought that counts.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Guys...this will all be sorted out in the playoffs when the best teams face off against each other...


This needed a bump!

[FormerPokeCenter]

So let me see if I can understand this

you continue to state, that based on the Princeton RB's alleged speed, he should be averaging a multiple more rushing yards per season than what he is currently averaging, even though your two "World Class Speed" football players, which had a speed multiple levels faster than the Princeton RB, only average about the same yards rushing per year as the the Princeton RB?

Geesh

regarding your insults to the intelligence of the Ivy Leaguers, at least they aren't forced to work in a wood shop, car garage or something like that after getting a degree from your trade school, because of the lack of ability to write or do math learned from the trade school


After reading this post, I fear I'll have to defer to your superior knowledge of a trade school education.

[World]

And so the debate ends

Have a wonderful football day tomorrow folks

and may all your football teams win!

(oops, that can't happen)

and may 50% of your football teams win!

[JSUSoutherner]

After reading this post, I fear I'll have to defer to your superior knowledge of a trade school education.

It's ok. All the "successful" Ivy League Alumni end up in Washington.

That should tell you all you need to know.

[World]

yep, the guy runs kind of slow on the football field, especially for a 220 lb RB:

https://twitter.com/PUTigerFootball/status/1043611606234451969

[JSUSoutherner]

Could you guys imagine if Princeton was below the Mason-Dixon line?

The speed would be unreal.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Clearly, Volker is from SOUTH Jersey...

[McNeese75]

Well there you go

And speaking of "thick heads", please provide at least ONE running back from your school's football team (McNeese State) that is faster than the updated, more recent, 6.84 second 60 meter time

and remember that these times by the Princeton running back are for a 6'0" 220 lb RB

and when you do this, please remember that the FASTEST McNeese State Track and Field runner could only do a 6.89 in the 60 meters during the last Conference Indoor Championship - and he does NOT play on the football team

We will be waiting for your answer

I don’t give a flying **** about your running back. You obviously have a fetish of some kind about this guy so good luck with that. I look forward to seeing this magical man in the olympics or leading the NFL in rushing or cheerleading. But I doubt any of those will become a reality

[World]

I don’t give a flying **** about your running back. You obviously have a fetish of some kind about this guy so good luck with that. I look forward to seeing this magical man in the olympics or leading the NFL in rushing or cheerleading. But I doubt any of those will become a reality

You are correct, although currently there are several Princeton players in the NFL, he'll probably go to Business School, receive his MBA in Finance and join a NY Investment Banking firm or Hedge Fund.

Now, considering that great academic institution, McNeese State, those McNeese State running backs, well..... they will probably end up.......

and speaking of giving a flying *****, I would imagine that is exactly what the NFL scouts are going to be saying about the interest by NFL teams about your top two RB's that average only 3.1 and 3.5 yards per carry.

[McNeese72]

Starring had a 238 yard rushing performance, at QB, against Arkansas State. That's HALF of what Volker's gotten in an entire season.



I was in Jonesboro for that game and witnessed that performance. Starring was special. Even though he wasn't fast, Buford Jordan, was special, too. Weren't Stephan Starring, Theron McClendon, and Buford Jordan playing at the same time a couple of years? My memory is a little faded. Those last two Independence Bowl years were great with all of them.

Doc

Doc

[grizband]

You are correct, although currently there are several Princeton players in the NFL, he'll probably go to Business School, receive his MBA in Finance and join a NY Investment Banking firm or Hedge Fund.

Now, considering that great academic institution, McNeese State, those McNeese State running backs, well..... they will probably end up.......

and speaking of giving a flying *****, I would imagine that is exactly what the NFL scouts are going to be saying about the interest by NFL teams about your top two RB's that average only 3.1 and 3.5 yards per carry.
I count 2 players from Princeton in the NFL (Devalve and Reid); am I missing someone?

[FormerPokeCenter]

I was in Jonesboro for that game and witnessed that performance. Starring was special. Even though he wasn't fast, Buford Jordan, was special, too. Weren't Stephan Starring, Theron McClendon, and Buford Jordan playing at the same time a couple of years? My memory is a little faded. Those last two Independence Bowl years were great with all of them.

Doc

Doc


You are, in fact, correct!

[POD Knows]

You are correct, although currently there are several Princeton players in the NFL, he'll probably go to Business School, receive his MBA in Finance and join a NY Investment Banking firm or Hedge Fund.

Now, considering that great academic institution, McNeese State, those McNeese State running backs, well..... they will probably end up.......

and speaking of giving a flying *****, I would imagine that is exactly what the NFL scouts are going to be saying about the interest by NFL teams about your top two RB's that average only 3.1 and 3.5 yards per carry.You are literally dragging down the admission standards at your(?) university. Hell, if I applied to go to school at that dump, I would drag your stupid posts with me and say, hey, if this ****ing moron when here, how the hell can you reject anybody. They would have no answer.

[McNeese72]

or maybe you might want to tell us more about McNeese State's current top two RB's that are averaging only 38 and 31 yards per game during the season against lowly competition, at 3.5 and 3.9 yards per carry compared to Princeton's Volker who averages 91 yards/game and 8.9 yards per carry this season, and who together have totaled only 3 TD's rushing in 6 games compared to Volker's 8 TD's in only 5 games?

Our offense sucks and our offensive line is not getting the job done. The backs are decent (not fast) but the best RB's in the world will have a hard time when the offensive line is not opening up holes for them to run through.

Of course, the has nothing to do with the Starring, McClendon, Jordan combo we had in the Independence Bowl years. They were special and back then teams knew how to play a little defense.

Doc

[FormerPokeCenter]

You are literally dragging down the admission standards at your(?) university. Hell, if I applied to go to school at that dump, I would drag your stupid posts with me and say, hey, if this ****ing moron when here, how the hell can you reject anybody. They would have no answer.

I don't think that World actually WENT to Princeton with that particular writing style. I think he went to Costco for his Tiger regalia...

[World]

You are literally dragging down the admission standards at your(?) university. Hell, if I applied to go to school at that dump, I would drag your stupid posts with me and say, hey, if this ****ing moron when here, how the hell can you reject anybody. They would have no answer.

ha!

so says the the guy from the North Dakota trade school that accept 95% of its applicants, including those meth heads

[SoDakSA]

Getting the thread back to something that actually matters going into the weekend...who, of the "Top 5" is the front runner. I, of course, am a little biased towards Taryn since I have seen a ton more of his game action. I am interested to see what those who watch more games think. If you can't remember how the thread started before all this RB speed nonsense:

QB Chandler Burks, Kennesaw State, Sr.- 35-59, 547 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT, 59.3%, 78.1ypg, 161.8 pass eff, 94 carries, 516 yards, 5.5ypc, 17 TD, 73.7ypg in 7 games.
QB Taryn Christion, South Dakota State, Sr.- 80-119, 1160 yards, 16 TD, 1 INT, 67.2%, 232ypg, 191.8 pass eff, 34 carries, 129 yards, 3 TD in 5 games.
QB Devlin Hodges, Samford, Sr.- 236-335, 2674 yards, 24 TD, 12 INT, 70.4%, 382ypg, 154 pass eff, 47 carries, 177 yards, 3 TD in 7 games.
WR Alexander Hollins, Eastern Illinois, Sr.- 62 catches, 814 yards, 13.1ypc, 12 TD, 116.3ypg in 7 games.
QB Easton Stick, North Dakota State, Sr.- 60-107, 974 yards, 10 TD, 1 INT, 56.1%, 162.3ypg, 161.5 pass eff, 40 carries, 196 yards, 7 TD in 6 games.

[grizband]

Here are the top 5 Buchanan front runners, according to SmallCollegeFootballFan. Call me a homer, but I think Dante Olson should win the award as of now, but there is plenty of season remaining!

LB BJ Blunt, McNeese State, Sr.- 56 TKL, 11.5 TFL, 7 SACKS, 3 PBU, 4 QBH, 2 FR in 6 games.
DE Darryl Johnson, North Carolina A&T, Jr.- 28 TKL, 11 TFL, 7 SACKS, 3 PBU, 5 QBH, 1 FF in 7 games.
CB Jimmy Moreland, James Madison, Sr.- 25 TKL, 3 TFL, 1 SACK, 4 INT/returned three for a TD, 4 PBU, 1 QBH, 1 FF, 1 BLK in 7 games.
LB Dante Olson, Montana, Jr.- 106 TKL, 9.5 TFL, 5 SACKS, 2 INT, 3 PBU, 3 QBH, 3 FF in 7 games.
DT Khalen Saunders, Western Illinois, Sr.- 42 TKL, 9 TFL, 5 SACKS, 3 QBH, 1 FF, 1 catch, 3 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Judging by the FCS defensive statistics, he's making virtually all of Montana's stops! ;)

Blunt's got half as many tackles, but more tackles for loss, more sacks, more hurries, but one less game.

It looks like Montana's allowing more yards per game and a lot more plays per game, suggesting that among the reasons Olson's got more tackles is because Montana's defense is staying on the field more...but I could be wrong...

[smallcollegefbfan]

You are correct, although currently there are several Princeton players in the NFL, he'll probably go to Business School, receive his MBA in Finance and join a NY Investment Banking firm or Hedge Fund.

Now, considering that great academic institution, McNeese State, those McNeese State running backs, well..... they will probably end up.......

and speaking of giving a flying *****, I would imagine that is exactly what the NFL scouts are going to be saying about the interest by NFL teams about your top two RB's that average only 3.1 and 3.5 yards per carry.

I would bet that if the 2 McNeese backs want to go pro they will get a shot as long as they test pretty well. Their TE will get heavy looks next year if his tape is as good as it was in 2017 and their LB Blunt is a beast.

- - - Updated - - -


Here are the top 5 Buchanan front runners, according to SmallCollegeFootballFan. Call me a homer, but I think Dante Olson should win the award as of now, but there is plenty of season remaining!

LB BJ Blunt, McNeese State, Sr.- 56 TKL, 11.5 TFL, 7 SACKS, 3 PBU, 4 QBH, 2 FR in 6 games.
DE Darryl Johnson, North Carolina A&T, Jr.- 28 TKL, 11 TFL, 7 SACKS, 3 PBU, 5 QBH, 1 FF in 7 games.
CB Jimmy Moreland, James Madison, Sr.- 25 TKL, 3 TFL, 1 SACK, 4 INT/returned three for a TD, 4 PBU, 1 QBH, 1 FF, 1 BLK in 7 games.
LB Dante Olson, Montana, Jr.- 106 TKL, 9.5 TFL, 5 SACKS, 2 INT, 3 PBU, 3 QBH, 3 FF in 7 games.
DT Khalen Saunders, Western Illinois, Sr.- 42 TKL, 9 TFL, 5 SACKS, 3 QBH, 1 FF, 1 catch, 3 yards, 1 TD in 6 games.

So far for me it is either Olson or Blunt at this point. I would vote for Olson if I had a vote. Saunders is a heck of a player as well. If he could have a couple monster games he may win it. Best DT since Caraun Reid in FCS for me.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Getting the thread back to something that actually matters going into the weekend...who, of the "Top 5" is the front runner. I, of course, am a little biased towards Taryn since I have seen a ton more of his game action. I am interested to see what those who watch more games think. If you can't remember how the thread started before all this RB speed nonsense:

QB Chandler Burks, Kennesaw State, Sr.- 35-59, 547 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT, 59.3%, 78.1ypg, 161.8 pass eff, 94 carries, 516 yards, 5.5ypc, 17 TD, 73.7ypg in 7 games.
QB Taryn Christion, South Dakota State, Sr.- 80-119, 1160 yards, 16 TD, 1 INT, 67.2%, 232ypg, 191.8 pass eff, 34 carries, 129 yards, 3 TD in 5 games.
QB Devlin Hodges, Samford, Sr.- 236-335, 2674 yards, 24 TD, 12 INT, 70.4%, 382ypg, 154 pass eff, 47 carries, 177 yards, 3 TD in 7 games.
WR Alexander Hollins, Eastern Illinois, Sr.- 62 catches, 814 yards, 13.1ypc, 12 TD, 116.3ypg in 7 games.
QB Easton Stick, North Dakota State, Sr.- 60-107, 974 yards, 10 TD, 1 INT, 56.1%, 162.3ypg, 161.5 pass eff, 40 carries, 196 yards, 7 TD in 6 games.

Many voters will lean towards Hodges I'm sure because of the gaudy TDs but most are against bad teams. To me it should be Christion, Stick, or Hollins fighting for the top spot.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I count 2 players from Princeton in the NFL (Devalve and Reid); am I missing someone?

That is probably it and I would bet that they only add one, at the most, this time next year.

[Thumper 76]

A photo of World has surfaced. It’s mid presentation on RB speed, listing 0 INTS, and how you should be impressed by a rb who averages less than 100 ypg.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181020/b02ec86545be2eb3a87cdf6bde0ad62d.jpeg

The tie is obviously because you need a tie on at all times to be an Ivy Leaguer.


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[World]

I count 2 players from Princeton in the NFL (Devalve and Reid); am I missing someone?

last year's star Princeton QB, Chad Kanoff, was signed to the Arizona Cardinals practice squad

[caribbeanhen]

Judging by the FCS defensive statistics, he's making virtually all of Montana's stops! ;)

Blunt's got half as many tackles, but more tackles for loss, more sacks, more hurries, but one less game.

It looks like Montana's allowing more yards per game and a lot more plays per game, suggesting that among the reasons Olson's got more tackles is because Montana's defense is staying on the field more...but I could be wrong...

Yep, those three and out's dont really help a player pile up tackles

[JSUSoutherner]

last year's star Princeton QB, Chad Kanoff, was signed to the Arizona Cardinals practice squad

Kewl.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Many voters will lean towards Hodges I'm sure because of the gaudy TDs but most are against bad teams. To me it should be Christion, Stick, or Hollins fighting for the top spot.

In addition to competition (Samford is 3-4 against 69th ranked Massey SOS) and fact that Samford's 3 wins are against the 3 worst teams on their schedule by far, including a 0-7 D-II team; and in those 3 easy wins, they averaged nearly 70 points per game. I also hope voters look closely at pass attempts .. they average 50 passes per game, and his TD-Pick ratio is 2:1 ... not good. Granted, he might be dealing with bad supporting cast and trying to carry team during their 4 losses. But the award should not reward a guy because he throws 50 times per games to get the most yards, TDs, etc.

Right now , dare I say this on day we are playing Bison, there is no way Stick gets it over Christion. SDSU leans so much harder on Christion thans Bison does it on Stick. Christion is asked to do more and does a lot more. We can't award this to guy they think would do more if asked to. I like Stick and am guessing he could do more in a system that asked him to ... but we don't know that.

[World]

The leading rusher in the FCS in yards/carry does it again

9:13 First Quarter

Princeton - 7
Harvard - 0

Princeton QB Lovett 33 yard TD run in Princeton's first drive

so far Lovett has 40 yards in 3 rushes

[JSUSoutherner]

The leading rusher in the FCS in yards/carry does it again

9:13 First Quarter

Princeton - 7
Harvard - 0

Princeton QB Lovett 33 yard TD run in Princeton's first drive

so far Lovett has 40 yards in 3 rushes

Cupcake Warrior.

[Redbird 4th & short]

The leading rusher in the FCS in yards/carry does it again

9:13 First Quarter

Princeton - 7
Harvard - 0

Princeton QB Lovett 33 yard TD run in Princeton's first drive

so far Lovett has 40 yards in 3 rushes
aka, the tallest midget ?

Must make you feel so secure boasting so much, while knowing full well that Princeton and Ivy League will never have to prove it against real competition, week in and week out, and then in the playoffs. But surely you must grow tired watching your best Ivy League teams continue to schedule only weak OOC games. But doesn't it make you wonder why they would do that on top of refusing to participate in playoffs. I mean, I sort of get the playoff thing since it extends season and takes athletes focus away from school .. except for fact that basketball participates in March Madness ... hmmm ??? But how do you explain such weak scheduling of OOC games every year ??

But keep boasting away with the confidence that you can't possibly ever be proven wrong ... isn't that right ? And keep watching your Ivy's padd their record books against the likes of Patriot, NEC, Big South, etc ... all autobid leagues who's 1st place teams almost always go one and done in our playoffs.

p.s. no offense to short people intended in making my point

[Derby City Duke]

aka, the tallest midget ?

Must make you feel so secure boasting so much, while knowing full well that Princeton and Ivy League will never have to prove it against real competition, week in and week out, and then in the playoffs. But surely you must grow tired watching your best Ivy League teams continue to schedule only weak OOC games. But doesn't it make you wonder why they would do that on top of refusing to participate in playoffs. I mean, I sort of get the playoff thing since it extends season and takes athletes focus away from school .. except for fact that basketball participates in March Madness ... hmmm ??? But how do you explain such weak scheduling of OOC games every year ??

But keep boasting away with the confidence that you can't possibly ever be proven wrong ... isn't that right ? And keep watching your Ivy's padd their record books against the likes of Patriot, NEC, Big South, etc ... all autobid leagues who's 1st place teams almost always go one and done in our playoffs.

p.s. no offense to short people intended in making my point

To be fair, they don't make the NCAAs that often, and when they do they don't usually stay beyond the 1st day. No different from a mid-week conference road trip. And my alma mater's an expert at not making the tournament very often...

[World]

aka, the tallest midget ?

Must make you feel so secure boasting so much, while knowing full well that Princeton and Ivy League will never have to prove it against real competition, week in and week out, and then in the playoffs. But surely you must grow tired watching your best Ivy League teams continue to schedule only weak OOC games. But doesn't it make you wonder why they would do that on top of refusing to participate in playoffs. I mean, I sort of get the playoff thing since it extends season and takes athletes focus away from school .. except for fact that basketball participates in March Madness ... hmmm ??? But how do you explain such weak scheduling of OOC games every year ??

But keep boasting away with the confidence that you can't possibly ever be proven wrong ... isn't that right ? And keep watching your Ivy's padd their record books against the likes of Patriot, NEC, Big South, etc ... all autobid leagues who's 1st place teams almost always go one and done in our playoffs.

p.s. no offense to short people intended in making my point


Sorry, but are you talking about the team that has the #1 recruiting class this year in all of the FCS, Princeton, including the #1 rated player that took Princeton over Alabama?

That team?

and how about Illinois State's recruiting rank in the FCS?..oops way way way down at #34

Is that a good thing?

[FormerPokeCenter]

Today, we're all Harvard fans ;)

Let's go Crimson! Just pretend that Princeton's an Asian school!

[FormerPokeCenter]

Oh wow.....Eastern Washington's Sam McPherson just took over the mantle of top FCS running back in the Yards Per Carry Stat. Congrats to the Eagles.

Charlie Volker's now fallen to 8.27 yards per carry.

Somebody please tell me that Sam McPherson is on the Payton Watch list! If he's not, after displacing Volker, something's bad wrong!

[JSUSoutherner]

Sorry, but are you talking about the team that has the #1 recruiting class this year in all of the FCS, Princeton, including the #1 rated player that took Princeton over Alabama?

That team?

and how about Illinois State's recruiting rank in the FCS?..oops way way way down at #34

Is that a good thing?

Recruiting class rankings dont mean anything. Austin Peay had the #1 class last year and the year before and look at them.

If you're putting stock into that mumbo jumbo you're truly beyond help.

When's the last time North Dakota State had a "#1 Recruiting Class”?

[World]

Recruiting class rankings dont mean anything. Austin Peay had the #1 class last year and the year before and look at them.

If you're putting stock into that mumbo jumbo you're truly beyond help.

When's the last time North Dakota State had a "#1 Recruiting Class”?


Actually, thanks for bringing this up

North Dakota State had the #4 recruiting class this year and has been in the top ten every year for the last decade...

Say, what's up with Illinois State's lowly #34 recruiting class?

Is this a good thing?

[JSUSoutherner]

Actually, thanks for bringing this up

North Dakota State had the #4 recruiting class this year and has been in the top ten every year for the last decade...

Say, what's up with Illinois State's lowly #34 recruiting class?

Is this a good thing?

Like I said. Recruiting class rankings mean exactly nothing.

[World]

12:40 left in 4th quarter


Princeton - 16
Harvard - 7

[FormerPokeCenter]

And Volkeer's fallen to 7.7 yards per carry...now down to 5th in the FCS.

We might need to revise the Payton Watch list again...

[World]

Great TD catch by future NFL prospect Princeton 6'4" WR Jesper Horsted:

https://twitter.com/IvyLeague/status/1053716460797919232

[World]

And Volkeer's fallen to 7.7 yards per carry...now down to 5th in the FCS.

We might need to revise the Payton Watch list again...


Well, thanks for the swift calculations, now the star Princeton RB is "only" 5th out of 100's of payers in rushing yards per carry in the FCS and has dropped down to only more than DOUBLE the rushing yards per carry of the two McNeese State RB's this year.

[World]

4:49 4th quarter

Princeton - 22
Harvard - 7


TD by Princeton star RB Volker just now

[FormerPokeCenter]

Well, thanks for the swift calculations, now the star Princeton RB in "only" 5th out of 100's of payers in rushing yards per carry in the FCS and has dropped down to only more than DOUBLE the rushing yards per carry of the two McNeese State RB's this year.


Actually, McNeese has THREE starters who are in the rotation. Charlie's down to 7.44 yard per carry.

I gotta tell you, the Ivies are pretty wise not to play mainstream competition. Lots of horrible technique out there. It's not SWAC bad, but it's certainly not good...

[World]

2:25 4th Quarter

Princeton - 22
Harvard - 14

[World]

2:10 4th Quarter

Princeton - 29
Harvard - 14

Ivy League 60 meter T&F Champ, Princeton RB Volker, sprints to 49 TD run, untouched.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Nice run by Volker....that moves him back into 3rd, I think..

[FormerPokeCenter]

2:10 4th Quarter

Princeton - 29
Harvard - 14

FORMER Ivy League 60 meter T&F Champ, Princeton RB Volker, sprints to 49 TD run, untouched.

FYP

[World]

Whoaaaa Harvard TD

0:48 4th Quarter

Princeton - 29
Harvard - 21

[World]

Final

Princeton - 29
Harvard - 21


Princeton remains undefeated at 6-0

[FormerPokeCenter]

Final

Princeton remains undefeated at 6-0

Against 6 teams with a combined 13 wins in 36 tries.....IMPRESSIVE!

[JSUSoutherner]

Against 6 teams with a combined 13 wins in 36 tries.....IMPRESSIVE!

King of the Cupcakes.

[World]

Against 6 teams with a combined 13 wins in 36 tries.....IMPRESSIVE!

and yet if Princeton played your cupcake team McNeese State, the score would probably be something like 52-14 Princeton

[World]

aka, the tallest midget ?

Must make you feel so secure boasting so much, while knowing full well that Princeton and Ivy League will never have to prove it against real competition, week in and week out, and then in the playoffs. But surely you must grow tired watching your best Ivy League teams continue to schedule only weak OOC games. But doesn't it make you wonder why they would do that on top of refusing to participate in playoffs. I mean, I sort of get the playoff thing since it extends season and takes athletes focus away from school .. except for fact that basketball participates in March Madness ... hmmm ??? But how do you explain such weak scheduling of OOC games every year ??

But keep boasting away with the confidence that you can't possibly ever be proven wrong ... isn't that right ? And keep watching your Ivy's padd their record books against the likes of Patriot, NEC, Big South, etc ... all autobid leagues who's 1st place teams almost always go one and done in our playoffs.

p.s. no offense to short people intended in making my point


Say, how is your Illinois State team doing against NDSU?

What do you think, final score something like 42-6 NDSU?

[FormerPokeCenter]

and yet if Princeton played your cupcake team McNeese State, the score would probably be something like 52-14 Princeton


I doubt Princeton would score...

[World]

I doubt Princeton would score...

ha!

so says the guy from the lowly school McNeese State that alowed 34 points to the 237th ranked team in college football, 1-5 Houston Baptist, this year

Houston Baptist that hasn't won a game in the very very weak Southland Conference and stands in 11th place out of 11 teams


actually, my guess now is more like Princeton 69, McNeese State 7, if these teams ever played

[World]

Against 6 teams with a combined 13 wins in 36 tries.....IMPRESSIVE!

Gee, funny you would bring this up

W-L records of opposing teams:

Princeton
16-22
winning % = 42%

McNeese State
13-29
winning % = 30%

[World]

aka, the tallest midget ?

Must make you feel so secure boasting so much, while knowing full well that Princeton and Ivy League will never have to prove it against real competition, week in and week out, and then in the playoffs. But surely you must grow tired watching your best Ivy League teams continue to schedule only weak OOC games. But doesn't it make you wonder why they would do that on top of refusing to participate in playoffs. I mean, I sort of get the playoff thing since it extends season and takes athletes focus away from school .. except for fact that basketball participates in March Madness ... hmmm ??? But how do you explain such weak scheduling of OOC games every year ??

But keep boasting away with the confidence that you can't possibly ever be proven wrong ... isn't that right ? And keep watching your Ivy's padd their record books against the likes of Patriot, NEC, Big South, etc ... all autobid leagues who's 1st place teams almost always go one and done in our playoffs.

p.s. no offense to short people intended in making my point


Well thanks for the info

meanwhile how is your Illinois State doing today?

here, I will give you a hand

early in the 3rd Quarter
NDSU - 28
Illinois State - 0

[Go Green]

Dartmouth's Swann gets two more interceptions today.

Seven for the year on six games.

[FormerPokeCenter]

ha!

so says the guy from the lowly school McNeese State that alowed 34 points to the 237th ranked team in college football, 1-5 Houston Baptist, this year

Houston Baptist that hasn't won a game in the very very weak Southland Conference and stands in 11th place out of 11 teams


actually, my guess now is more like Princeton 69, McNeese State 7, if these teams ever played


There's little chance of that happening, the Ivies hardly ever take their intramural club level teams out of conference...which is just as well.

if McNeese held Nichols, currently ranked higher than Princeton to just 10 points, I'm almost positive that Princeton wouldn't score.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Perhaps Volker might grab one late, against the reserves ;)

[World]

There's little chance of that happening, the Ivies hardly ever take their intramural club level teams out of conference...which is just as well.

if McNeese held Nichols, currently ranked higher than Princeton to just 10 points, I'm almost positive that Princeton wouldn't score.

so says the guy from the lowly school McNeese State that alowed 34 points to the 237th ranked team in college football, 1-5 Houston Baptist, this year

Houston Baptist that hasn't won a game in the very very weak Southland Conference and stands in 11th place out of 11 teams

[Redbird 4th & short]

Well thanks for the info

meanwhile how is your Illinois State doing today?

here, I will give you a hand

early in the 3rd Quarter
NDSU - 28
Illinois State - 0

too funny and pathetic to respond to ... enjoy life in your cozy little cocoon.

[World]

too funny and pathetic to respond to ... enjoy life in your cozy little cocoon.

Ouch, Illinois State gets destroyed again by NDSU

28-14

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[grizband]

Ouch, Illinois State gets destroyed again by NDSU

28-14

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I'm not sure I understand the argument, Princeton would have done worse...

[World]

McNesee State gets destroyed by unranked Incarnate Word


Incarnate Word - 45
McNeese State - 17

[FormerPokeCenter]

Well, I believe that several of the regular Cowboy posters tried to explain that the #6 ranking was undeserved...

I'm pretty sure that IWA would trounce your club level team that's dominating the Ivy Intramural league...