AGS Poll Results - WEEK 6 POLL - 2018 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

10/8/2018




Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2225
89
1


2
Eastern Washington Eagles
2056

4


3
Elon Phoenix
1986

8


4
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1952

3


5
James Madison Dukes
1843

2


6
Kennesaw State Owls
1793

5


7
Wofford Terriers
1657

7


8
UC Davis Aggies
1469

9


9
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1349

11


10
Illinois State Redbirds
1315

13


11
McNeese State Cowboys
1314

10


12
Towson Tigers
1277

18


13
Nicholls State Colonels
1083

15


14
Rhode Island Rams
1025

17


15
Weber State Wildcats
1003

6


16
North Carolina A&T Aggies
941

16


17
Maine Black Bears
689

21


18
Colgate Raiders
630

22


19
Stony Brook Seawolves
572

12


20
South Dakota Coyotes
369

26


21
Central Arkansas Bears
344

25


22
Princeton Tigers
303

27


23
Montana Grizzlies
288

14


24
Idaho State Bengals
283

32


25
Sam Houston State Bearkats
257

29

















ORV:





26
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
216

30


27
Northern Iowa Panthers
207

20


28
Villanova Wildcats
97

19


29
Dartmouth Big Green
88

37


30
Montana State Bobcats
75

31


31
Missouri State Bears
71

23


32
Chattanooga Mocs
46

28


33
Western Illinois Leathernecks
26

24


34
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25

36


35
Tennessee State Tigers
16

40


36
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12

34


37
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10

NR


38
Western Carolina Catamounts
7

39


39
Sac State Hornets
5

33


40
Incarnate Word Cardinals
1

NR










Most Significant Win:

Elon Phoenix




Most Significant Loss:
T
James Madison Dukes





T
Montana Grizzlies


















Fell Out Of Poll:





38
Harvard Crimson





35
Yale Bulldogs

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Elon Phoenix
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: James Madison Dukes
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Wofford Terriers
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Towson Tigers
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Missouri State Bears
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Idaho State Bengals
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Colgate Raiders
24: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

12 were either perfect or 1 off.

A few things that have me puzzled
-NAU beat and WSU, yet gets no love? I know the shallacking they took to Missery St was bad, but still, not a fan of them being below SHSU and GFCC.
-Colgate is too high and so is Maine
-Who has Princeton beaten that deserves a ranking? Butler (237/255), Monmouth (205/255), Columbia (204/255), and Lehigh (217). An overall team of of 216/255. That is not worthy of votes.
-ISUo is getting no love for beating @GFCC, NAU, and Idaho considering they were projected to finish 12/13 in the Big Sky.

[hoidOfYolen]

Reserved for when I get my poll

NAU beat GFCC and WSU, yet gets no love? I know the shallacking they took to Missery St was bad, but still, not a fan of them being below SHSU and GFCC.

Who tf is GFCC?

[F'N Hawks]

Reserved for when I get my poll

NAU beat GFCC and WSU, yet gets no love? I know the shallacking they took to Missery St was bad, but still, not a fan of them being below SHSU and GFCC.
If you are going to be a smartass at least be an accurate smartass. Dope.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's the blog post for this week: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-6-top-25-results/

I still think Towson is a little underrated. I'm not sure why SHSU is back in the top 25 when UND is nowhere near it. Also not sure why Montana is still hanging around in the top 25 either.

[TheKingpin28]

Who tf is GFCC?

The school to the north.

[hoidOfYolen]

Here's the blog post for this week: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-6-top-25-results/

I still think Towson is a little underrated. I'm not sure why SHSU is back in the top 25 when UND is nowhere near it. Also not sure why Montana is still hanging around in the top 25 either.

Agree completely. Can't believe SHSU kept their spot in the top 25 and ETSU got bumped as a result. I have ETSU at #25 rn. I also think Towson should be #9-10.

[Prime Power]

Reserved for when I get my poll

A few things that have me puzzled
-NAU beat and WSU, yet gets no love? I know the shallacking they took to Missery St was bad, but still, not a fan of them being below SHSU and GFCC.
-Colgate is too high and so is Maine
-Who has Princeton beaten that deserves a ranking? Butler (237/255), Monmouth (205/255), Columbia (204/255), and Lehigh (217). An overall team of of 216/255. That is not worthy of votes.
-ISUo is getting no love for beating @GFCC, NAU, and Idaho considering they were projected to finish 12/13 in the Big Sky.

Lol, what are smoking man..?

[Hambone]

The school to the north.
And when did UND play NAU?

EDIT: And I agree with you on Idaho St. I have them in the top 20 as I have been fairly impressed.....

[TheKingpin28]

If you are going to be a smartass at least be an accurate smartass. Dope.

My mistake. I know how riled up you precious little ones get when you don't get the love you claim to deserve.

[F'N Hawks]

And when did UND play NAU?

He changed it quick to try to justify the rest of his blabber.

[Bison56]

JSU is a top 10 team?

[TheKingpin28]

And when did UND play NAU?

EDIT: And I agree with you on Idaho St. I have them in the top 20 as I have been fairly impressed.....


My mistake. I know how riled up you precious little ones get when you don't get the love you claim to deserve.

.

[F'N Hawks]

My mistake. I know how riled up you precious little ones get when you don't get the love you claim to deserve.
No, you screwed up. Your obsession got the best of you, admit it and move on. We all make mistakes.

[TheKingpin28]

Lol, what are smoking man..?

Tell me where I am wrong? I made one mistake as I was going through my pages of notes. **** happens. Especially when you have been up since 5am working. I know, crazy for someone to make a mistake on their lunch break.

[TheKingpin28]

No, you screwed up. Your obsession got the best of you, admit it and move on. We all make mistakes.

I just admitted I made a mistake. No wonder why people do not want you in the Valley. Can't let **** go.

[Bison56]

GTFO of here with that school yard BS.

[F'N Hawks]

I like that Idaho State was out in there. They are playing really good ball.

Have no problem with Sammy being in there. It's such a crapshoot at that point, they are playing better it appears.

[Prime Power]

NAU hasn't beaten anyone good either. I think Weber is way overrated, they haven't beaten anyone good as well. We will find out this weekend. Princeton has kicked the crap out of lower teams yeah, isn't that what good teams do? The rest...20-25....meh.

[Smitty]

I figured the WCU picks are just mistakes as there is no reason they should be in the top 40

[RootinFerDukes]

Voters need to take SOS seriously when evaluating their 6-15 ranks especially. Some of those placements are head scratchers when those teams lack quality wins lately.

AGS proves its still the best poll out there. The Stats poll today is complete garbage.

[F'N Hawks]

Weber State has no offense. Bengals put up 56 on NAU last week and Weber struggled all day vs them. 176 total yards. Ouch.

[Silenoz]

Why are we ahead of Idaho State?


...also, how is our program worse than Idaho State's? So many questions.

[dbackjon]

NAU hasn't beaten anyone good either. I think Weber is way overrated, they haven't beaten anyone good as well. We will find out this weekend. Princeton has kicked the crap out of lower teams yeah, isn't that what good teams do? The rest...20-25....meh.

Weber is a good team, and it was a good win. That having been said, I didn't put NAU in my top 25. Maybe if they can win two in a row I'll look at them next week.

[JMUNJ08]

JSU is a top 10 team?

I really want to know why as well. Any insight other voters? I have that at #15 and NC A&T at #14. Can call out the bad loss by NC A&T but can't forget they beat the Gamecocks when ranking them....

Otherwise, I had JMU @ #6 but could see with the pillow soft schedule of KSU why people left them behind.

As for SDSU, no hate mail from the Valley this week? They nearly beat NDSU last week and still won this week after an expected let down after the rivalry game. Why aren't they at #2? (I left them at 3 with EWU jumping them).

[Prime Power]

Voters need to take SOS seriously when evaluating their 6-15 ranks especially. Some of those placements are head scratchers when those teams lack quality wins lately.

AGS proves its still the best poll out there. The Stats poll today is complete garbage.

Are you saying that there are teams 16-30 who have better wins and should be looked at for 6-15 or are you saying the order of 6-15 is a head scratcher?

[dbackjon]

Hello dbackjon,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/7/2018 12:09:28

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Elon Phoenix
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Wofford Terriers
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Colgate Raiders
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Towson Tigers
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Idaho State Bengals
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Sac State Hornets
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Princeton Tigers

dbackjon

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Montana Grizzlies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference



I had ETSU at 24 last week, but screwed up and messed up - I was planning on putting them at 22, moving South Dakota to 21, but ended up with Sac State, which was a mistake.

[hoidOfYolen]

1: North Dakota State
2: Eastern Washington
3: South Dakota State
4: Elon
5: Kennesaw State
6: James Madison
7: Wofford
8: UC Davis
9: Towson
10: Jacksonville State
11: Rhode Island
12: McNeese
13: Weber State
14: Nicholls
15: Illinois State
16: Central Arkansas
17: Princeton
18: Colgate
19: Northern Iowa
20: Idaho State
21: Chattanooga
22: North Carolina A&T
23: Dartmouth
24: Maine
25: ETSU

Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
Most Significant Loss: Montana Grizzlies

[Reign of Terrier]

this was the first poll where I started bumping teams for being unimpressive (i.e winning, but having not beaten anyone)

[CappinHard]

As for SDSU, no hate mail from the Valley this week? They nearly beat NDSU last week and still won this week after an expected let down after the rivalry game. Why aren't they at #2? (I left them at 3 with EWU jumping them).

Meh... We deserve it. ISUb may be better than people think and surprise some people this year, but until they prove that, a drop was warranted.

[ST_Lawson]

Meh... We deserve it. ISUb may be better than people think and surprise some people this year, but until they prove that, a drop was warranted.

They were completely shut out by UNI, yet put up 51 against SDSU. UNI and SDSU's defenses are roughly equivalent...both above average for the MVFC, not quite as good as NDSU. I don't have any clue how INSU was able to do that.
49 against DII Quincy...sure.
55 against EIU...impressive, but EIU is really down this year.

51 against SDSU....excuse me what?
https://media.tenor.com/images/86eb7c00905ba5fa58b0e0bc7c7c7486/tenor.gif

I think most people are attributing it more to a mental breakdown by SDSU's defense than to anything that INSU did, which explains the drop. After holding NDSU to 21, they might have had a bit of a let-down and were looking past the Sycamores. I doubt that's going to happen again.

[BisonTru]

My Poll
AGS Poll
Diff


1
North Dakota St
North Dakota State Bison
-


2
James Madison
Eastern Washington Eagles
3


3
South Dakota St
Elon Phoenix
1


4
Eastern Washington
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
-2


5
Elon
James Madison Dukes
-2


6
Towson
Kennesaw State Owls
6


7
UC Davis
Wofford Terriers
1


8
Illinois St
UC Davis Aggies
2


9
Colgate
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9


10
Jacksonville St
Illinois State Redbirds
-1


11
Wofford
McNeese State Cowboys
-4


12
Kennesaw St
Towson Tigers
-6


13
Princeton
Nicholls State Colonels
9


14
Nichols St
Rhode Island Rams
-1


15
Rhode Island
Weber State Wildcats
-1


16
Weber St
North Carolina A&T Aggies
-1


17
South Dakota
Maine Black Bears
3


18
McNeese St
Colgate Raiders
-7


19
Idaho St
Stony Brook Seawolves
5


20
Delaware
South Dakota Coyotes
14


21
Northern Iowa
Central Arkansas Bears
6


22
East Tenn State
Princeton Tigers
4


23
Montana
Montana Grizzlies
-


24
Missouri St
Idaho State Bengals
7


25
Maine
Sam Houston State Bearkats
-8




First off, I do put some weight into the puters. Most of the teams I'm higher on are also teams the puters are higher than AGS.

Second, I thought I'd have some shuffling in the top 4, but ultimately I didn't. James Madison I realize took the loss to Elon. It's real easy to argue Elon should be above JMU. Although I don't subscribe to team A beats team B so team A has to be above them because every year that doesn't hold up once the season settles. With JMU's past success I still believe they are the top team in the CAA. Elon will have the opportunity to take that if they win out, but that will be a tall order in the CAA. SDSU would have jumped JMU, but with the near loss against INSU I couldn't do that. In hindsight Eastern Washington jumping up makes sense in the AGS poll and with both Massey and the Massey composite I should give some more thought into bumping EWU at least above SDSU. Elon also has an argument being above SDSU as the composite has Elon above SDSU, but Massey still has SDSU higher.

For the rest as I already stated Colgate, Princeton, and Delaware are teams the computers are higher on than AGS. KSU, McNeese St, and Wofford are teams the computers are lower on than AGS. My poll kind of reflex a difference between the two. I do think the Southland and the Southern conferences are being a little disrespected by the puters, but IMO both conference are well behind the big 3 (CAA, MVFC, BigSky).

[Daytripper]

Since I didn't get an email verification, I'm not posting my poll (I'm too lazy to type it out)..but I had
1. NDSU
2. SDSU
3. ELON

I don't think SDSU should be punished for the hangover performance against ISU. Their body of work gives them the benefit of the doubt.

[Lorne_Malvo]

Man I am glad I am not a voter. I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.
The standings tell one story, but my mind sees a different story.

[FargoBison]

Man I am glad I am not a voter. I honestly wouldn't know where to begin.
The standings tell one story, but my mind sees a different story.

Well I would know where to begin but after that....it would get messy.

[Catatonic]

I unintentionally omitted Weber State from my poll. Consider this my public apology.

[caribbeanhen]

Tell me where I am wrong?

here for starters... xcoffeex


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

GTFO of here with that school yard BS.

Agreed. I've warned about the UND NDSU bull**** taking over the FCS threads and I will let you guys know that are doing it that very soon the FCS board will go away for you if you keep f'n testing my patience with your childish crap. Get it together of GTFO.

It is ****ing idiotic.

[F'N Hawks]

Agreed. I've warned about the UND NDSU bull**** taking over the FCS threads and I will let you guys know that are doing it that very soon the FCS board will go away for you if you keep f'n testing my patience with your childish crap. Get it together of GTFO.

It is ****ing idiotic.

Whoa. Knuckles rapped....

[Mayville Bison]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Elon Phoenix
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: James Madison Dukes
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Kennesaw State Owls
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Towson Tigers
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Colgate Raiders
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Princeton Tigers
25: Dartmouth Big Green

Mayville Bison

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


Probably should have Montana and Idaho St swapped, but oh well.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On:

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/7/2018 19:16:24.

Your vote is listed below.

1: North Dakota State Bison

2: Eastern Washington Eagles

3: Elon Phoenix - Congratulations Elon! Very nice win. Just could not put you above Eastern Washington...yet.

4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits - Uffda! Way to make Saturday evening interesting.

5: James Madison Dukes - Five might seem like a bit of a drop, but SDSU won and JMU didn't. There really is no difference between #4 and #5 in this poll. Eastern Washington is simply a bad game away from changing all this.

6: Kennesaw State Owls - Girl next door hasn't gotten any uglier.

7: Wofford Terriers - Saw a post comparing victories over The Citadel by both Wofford and Towson. Although Wofford only won by 7, whereas Towson won by 17, I think it is fair to also consider that Wofford v. The Citadel was an intrastate conference battle AND the first game of the year for either team. Towson had three games under their belt when they played The Citadel (which also was three games in) AND it was out-of-conference. Conference rivalry games mean something and are often closer than one might like them to be. And first games, well, see Jacksonville State...

8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks - besides losing to North Carolina A&T in the first game of the year, they have taken care of business handily since.

9: UC-Davis Aggies - Could ask, who has UC-Davis beaten? Well, an FBS, a former FBS (Idaho, I know), the pride of the Pioneer League (I know), and utter domination of a Northern Colorado team that only lost to McNeese State by 3, and Sac State by 3 (when Sac State was getting a little AGS love). Just FYI, they also have a higher Sagarin ranking (again, I know) than the team just below them in my poll.

10: Towson Tigers - Could have easily swapped with UC-Davis, but I think Towson has gotten a little too much run out of their win against Villanova. Beat Stony Brook, but again, Stony Brook probably got a little too much run out of their win against Villanova (notice a pattern). Also, neither Towson nor Stony Brook have an FBS win...just sayin'. Rather, they have both beaten a Villanova team with an FBS win, the same Villanova that followed with three straight conference losses to teams not named James Madison or Elon.

11: Illinois State Redbirds - FBS win and significant 4th quarter against a previously ranked Western Illinois put them just ahead of #12, #13, and #14.

12: McNeese State Cowboys - Head-to-head over Nicholls State puts McNeese State here.

13: Nicholls State Colonels

14: Rhode Island Rams

15: North Carolina A&T Aggies - there has been some contention about North Carolina A&T and their placement compared to Jacksonville State. NC A&T lost to Morgan State...a 1-4 Morgan State. Also, see pretty much every stat but score in first game of year.

16: Montana State Bobcats - The Bobcats have gotten very little love from AGS, yet their only losses are to the #3 and #4 AGS-ranked teams (and they beat both Western Illinois AND Portland State, for which Montana did neither).

17: Weber State Wildcats - Northern Arizona?!?

18: Stony Brook Seawolves - Again, have some Villanova syndrome going on here. Obviously, I am guilty of falling for this as well (for both this any my #24 pick).

19: Idaho State Bengals - Congratulations Idaho State! Entered the AGS Top 25, and made a statement that you intend to stay. Kudos!

20: Sam Houston Bearkats - Using similar logic to that of Wofford against Towson that I saw posted, Sam Houston State beat Stephen F. Austin by 33, McNeese State only beat them by 7 (and this occurred in back-to-back weeks). Not ready to flip McNeese State and Sam Houston State just yet, but SHSU belongs in top 25...period. What a difference a QB makes.

21: Colgate Raiders - Keep winning, therefore do not drop out. Hard to justify moving up either though.

22: Northern Iowa Panthers - Played the top team in the country close through three quarters...also put up 31 points on their defense. Dropped, but not out.

23: South Dakota Coyotes - Beat an AGS-ranked #23 Missouri State...well Bears, it was fun while it lasted.

24: Maine Black Bears - Villanova syndrome?...just out of the top 25 for me last week.

25: East Tennessee State Buccaneers - Here is your love. Now go out and show everyone you belong against The Citadel and Wofford.

Preferred Walk-On

Most significant win: Elon Phoenix - Again, wow. Congratulations!

Most significant loss: Montana Grizzlies - Had Montana behind Montana State due to head-to-heads previously played; however, Montana State handled Portland State...Montana dropped out of poll.

Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Elon Phoenix
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Kennesaw State Owls
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: Towson Tigers
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Princeton Tigers
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Dartmouth Big Green
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Towson Tigers
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[World]

Reserved for when I get my poll

A few things that have me puzzled
-NAU beat and WSU, yet gets no love? I know the shallacking they took to Missery St was bad, but still, not a fan of them being below SHSU and GFCC.
-Colgate is too high and so is Maine
-Who has Princeton beaten that deserves a ranking? Butler (237/255), Monmouth (205/255), Columbia (204/255), and Lehigh (217). An overall team of of 216/255. That is not worthy of votes.
-ISUo is getting no love for beating @GFCC, NAU, and Idaho considering they were projected to finish 12/13 in the Big Sky.


In addition to "Who has Princeton beaten", you might want to try "How has Princeton beaten these teams", average score of 53-7 for the four games, with the starters only playing about 1/2 to 3/4 of each game.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Whoa. Knuckles rapped....

Ah, you haven't been a big problem and pretty much just counter punch but that "GFCC" crap to start **** all the time is starting to annoy me a bit I gotta admit. Just no reason for some of this crap at all.

I've asked nicely enough now I guess judging by my response previous there.

[Go Green]

Princeton has kicked the crap out of lower teams yeah, isn't that what good teams do?

So has Dartmouth.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

In addition to "Who has Princeton beaten", you might want to try "How has Princeton beaten these teams", average score of 53-7 for the four games, with the starters only playing about 1/2 to 3/4 of each game.

This is a point that I think some are missing. Princeton is piss pounding some teams that are recently fairly decent teams.

[Go Green]

In addition to "Who has Princeton beaten", you might want to try "How has Princeton beaten these teams", average score of 53-7 for the four games, with the starters only playing about 1/2 to 3/4 of each game.

Dartmouth's games have been effectively over halfway through the third quarter as well. But Princeton's third string appears better than Dartmouth's third string. Hence, Dartmouth's margin of victory has "only" been thirty-something compared to Princeton's forty-something.

[caribbeanhen]

My Poll
AGS Poll
Diff


1
North Dakota St
North Dakota State Bison
-


2
James Madison
Eastern Washington Eagles
3


3
South Dakota St
Elon Phoenix
1


4
Eastern Washington
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
-2


5
Elon
James Madison Dukes
-2


6
Towson
Kennesaw State Owls
6


7
UC Davis
Wofford Terriers
1


8
Illinois St
UC Davis Aggies
2


9
Colgate
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9


10
Jacksonville St
Illinois State Redbirds
-1


11
Wofford
McNeese State Cowboys
-4


12
Kennesaw St
Towson Tigers
-6


13
Princeton
Nicholls State Colonels
9


14
Nichols St
Rhode Island Rams
-1


15
Rhode Island
Weber State Wildcats
-1


16
Weber St
North Carolina A&T Aggies
-1


17
South Dakota
Maine Black Bears
3


18
McNeese St
Colgate Raiders
-7


19
Idaho St
Stony Brook Seawolves
5


20
Delaware
South Dakota Coyotes
14


21
Northern Iowa
Central Arkansas Bears
6


22
East Tenn State
Princeton Tigers
4


23
Montana
Montana Grizzlies
-


24
Missouri St
Idaho State Bengals
7


25
Maine
Sam Houston State Bearkats
-8




First off, I do put some weight into the puters. Most of the teams I'm higher on are also teams the puters are higher than AGS.

Second, I thought I'd have some shuffling in the top 4, but ultimately I didn't. James Madison I realize took the loss to Elon. It's real easy to argue Elon should be above JMU. Although I don't subscribe to team A beats team B so team A has to be above them because every year that doesn't hold up once the season settles. With JMU's past success I still believe they are the top team in the CAA. Elon will have the opportunity to take that if they win out, but that will be a tall order in the CAA. SDSU would have jumped JMU, but with the near loss against INSU I couldn't do that. In hindsight Eastern Washington jumping up makes sense in the AGS poll and with both Massey and the Massey composite I should give some more thought into bumping EWU at least above SDSU. Elon also has an argument being above SDSU as the composite has Elon above SDSU, but Massey still has SDSU higher.

For the rest as I already stated Colgate, Princeton, and Delaware are teams the computers are higher on than AGS. KSU, McNeese St, and Wofford are teams the computers are lower on than AGS. My poll kind of reflex a difference between the two. I do think the Southland and the Southern conferences are being a little disrespected by the puters, but IMO both conference are well behind the big 3 (CAA, MVFC, BigSky).

Princeton in but not Dartmouth?

[dbackjon]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Elon Phoenix
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: James Madison Dukes
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Kennesaw State Owls
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Towson Tigers
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Colgate Raiders
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Princeton Tigers
25: Dartmouth Big Green

Mayville Bison

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


Probably should have Montana and Idaho St swapped, but oh well.


You have ranked UND, who Idaho State beat in GF.

[World]

This is a point that I think some are missing. Princeton is piss pounding some teams that are recently fairly decent teams.

Yes, agree. As a Princeton fan, it is a little uncomfortable because the "piss pounding" of the opposing teams is leaning towards the "scary good" level of play for Princeton. Kind of sad that they will not be able to show this in the playoffs.

[BisonTru]

Princeton in but not Dartmouth?

The IVYs are the toughest to sort out given their lack of out of conference games. Dartmouth and Maine were my last two I was considering. Maine being in a playoff conference got the nod. I have the least confidence in my Princeton ranking. The Massey composite has Princeton as the second team in the nation. I don't believe that, but I couldn't tell with any confidence where they would fit in, and we aren't really going to know even when the season is done.

[Preferred Walk-On]

This is a point that I think some are missing. Princeton is piss pounding some teams that are recently fairly decent teams.

Not so sure:

Butler>Youngstown State/Morehead State/Taylor>Southern Illinois/Mount Saint Joseph>Murray State
Monmouth>Hampton/Lafayette/Wagner>Shaw and Lane/Central Connecticut State/Bowie State
Columbia>Central Connecticut State/Georgetown/Marist
Lehigh>Saint Francis (PA)

Not the greatest way to do it, but with the exception of Butler, not sure how piss-pounding any of these is strong support of top 25. Tougher back half of schedule will determine if Princeton warrants more serious consideration.

[caribbeanhen]

The IVYs are the toughest to sort out given their lack of out of conference games. Dartmouth and Maine were my last two I was considering. Maine being in a playoff conference got the nod. I have the least confidence in my Princeton ranking. The Massey composite has Princeton as the second team in the nation. I don't believe that, but I couldn't tell with any confidence where they would fit in, and we aren't really going to know even when the season is done.


I see Princeton at #4
and Dartmouth at #7

in the Massey composite.....but that index is constantly being adjusted as more polls are factored in right?

[Prime Power]

You have ranked UND, who Idaho State beat in GF.

You have Central Arkansas, but no SHSU who beat UCA. I agree with you, just saying...

[BisonTru]

I see Princeton at #4
and Dartmouth at #7

in the Massey composite.....but that index is constantly being adjusted as more polls are factored in right?

You're right. They were 2nd last night when I was doing my poll.

[Sammy94]

Here's the blog post for this week: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-6-top-25-results/

I still think Towson is a little underrated. I'm not sure why SHSU is back in the top 25 when UND is nowhere near it. Also not sure why Montana is still hanging around in the top 25 either.

UCA is ahead of Sam also.... makes no sense??

[JALMOND]

I just wanted to put my two cents in and commend everyone who took the time to vote. With the outcomes of certain games last Saturday, I'm sure this week's poll probably took a bit longer to compile. I know I'm having a tough time with just the Big Sky. I might have gone crazy if I had to do a national top 25. Good work, everyone.

[dbackjon]

You have Central Arkansas, but no SHSU who beat UCA. I agree with you, just saying...

I went back and forth on SHSU - they are 1-2 against decent teams, and struggled with PV, and the UCA game was fluky, IMHO. UCA is 3-1 against FCS teams.

The divide is stronger between UND and ISUo, IMHO - ISU is 4-1, with only loss to a good FBS team. That plus the head-to-head would put ISU ahead of UND.

[caribbeanhen]

Hello caribbeanhen,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Elon Phoenix
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Kennesaw State Owls
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Towson Tigers
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Princeton Tigers
16: Dartmouth Big Green
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Colgate Raiders
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Idaho State Bengals
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats
25: Montana Grizzlies

caribbeanhen

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: James Madison Dukes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[ST_Lawson]

Yes, agree. As a Princeton fan, it is a little uncomfortable because the "piss pounding" of the opposing teams is leaning towards the "scary good" level of play for Princeton. Kind of sad that they will not be able to show this in the playoffs.

This year more than usual, I really wish we could have the Ivy League teams eligible for the playoffs. Is Princeton really that good? Are the teams they're playing really that bad? Neither? Both? Unfortunately we really won't have an answer. We can only compare a few common opponents and guess at what could have been.

Either that or...you know...Rutgers ain't making a bowl game this year...get something scheduled real quick for the end of the season. That'd be a fun game, I think. (https://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=300937&t0=Princeton&h=-1&s1=300937&t1=Rutgers) Hell, push it back to early 2019 so it's during the 150th anniversary of the first game.

[JSUSoutherner]

JSU is a top 10 team?

I believe I had JSU at 9.

JSU has been stuck with the OVC slate since the NC A&T game. We wont have a chance to validate ourselves until the Kennesaw game. However, based on what I've seen, I'd say Zerrick Cooper was the piece our offense was missing last season. A lot has been cleaned up since the NC A&T game. The offense is clicking and is posting 2015 type numbers. The defense looks almost as strong as last season. Been playing with some injuries but nothing major.

Yes I know we lost to NC A&T, but I can't help looking at the stat line from that game and wondering how a rematch would go.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not so sure:

Butler>Youngstown State/Morehead State/Taylor>Southern Illinois/Mount Saint Joseph>Murray State
Monmouth>Hampton/Lafayette/Wagner>Shaw and Lane/Central Connecticut State/Bowie State
Columbia>Central Connecticut State/Georgetown/Marist
Lehigh>Saint Francis (PA)

Not the greatest way to do it, but with the exception of Butler, not sure how piss-pounding any of these is strong support of top 25. Tougher back half of schedule will determine if Princeton warrants more serious consideration.

They are doing to those teams what a T15 team would do if you ask me.

[katss07]

This poll is pretty good! And the OTR looks good too. UND needs to move up. Man, I’m happy to see The Word getting votes, just awesome! One issue...

Why is Jacksonville State here? What have they done to prove themselves a top 10 team. They’ve literally beat nobody other than a now mediocre at best Austin Peay team. And the A&T loss looks worse every week. I don’t understand.

[WileECoyote06]

JSU and A&T should be tied at the hip, and reflecting my comments from last week; within five slots of each other. A&T has a worse loss, but they also have a better win, and a H-2-H win. ECU according to Massey would be a Top 15 FCS team.

[UpstateBison]

this was the first poll where I started bumping teams for being unimpressive (i.e winning, but having not beaten anyone)

How far did you drop Wofford? Also, I don't understand the UC Davis Top 10 votes.

[JSUSoutherner]

JSU and A&T should be tied at the hip, and reflecting my comments from last week; within five slots of each other. A&T has a worse loss, but they also have a better win, and a H-2-H win. ECU according to Massey would be a Top 15 FCS team.Did you watch that game?

[World]

The IVYs are the toughest to sort out given their lack of out of conference games. Dartmouth and Maine were my last two I was considering. Maine being in a playoff conference got the nod. I have the least confidence in my Princeton ranking. The Massey composite has Princeton as the second team in the nation. I don't believe that, but I couldn't tell with any confidence where they would fit in, and we aren't really going to know even when the season is done.

Dartmouth just beat Yale, which had beaten Maine

[JSUSoutherner]

Dartmouth just beat Yale, which had beaten Maine
Playoffs.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Dartmouth just piss-pounded Yale, which had piss-pounded Maine

FIFY

[World]

This year more than usual, I really wish we could have the Ivy League teams eligible for the playoffs. Is Princeton really that good? Are the teams they're playing really that bad? Neither? Both? Unfortunately we really won't have an answer. We can only compare a few common opponents and guess at what could have been.

Either that or...you know...Rutgers ain't making a bowl game this year...get something scheduled real quick for the end of the season. That'd be a fun game, I think. (https://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=300937&t0=Princeton&h=-1&s1=300937&t1=Rutgers) Hell, push it back to early 2019 so it's during the 150th anniversary of the first game.


good questions

another factor that should be considered for the next few years in terms of Princeton football, is that this year they had the highest ranked recruiting class in all of FCS football, including the #1 rated player, which currently is only the #3 QB in the Princeton depth chart

[Preferred Walk-On]

I know I must be missing something, but why is Montana still in this poll? Is it the holding off of Northern Iowa? Is it the close loss to Western Illinois? Is it the one-score win over Sac State? It cannot be the wins over Cal-Poly and Drake, can it? Somebody please help me out here.

[dewey]

I know I must be missing something, but why is Montana still in this poll? Is it the holding off of Northern Iowa? Is it the close loss to Western Illinois? Is it the one-score win over Sac State? It cannot be the wins over Cal-Poly and Drake, can it? Somebody please help me out here.

The same reason Towson is rated higher....Big time name recognition.

Here is Towson's schedule so far.


Dewey
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[dewey]

Here is my top 25 poll. Criticize away.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/7/2018 21:06:09

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Elon Phoenix
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Towson Tigers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: McNeese State Cowboys
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Rhode Island Rams
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Idaho State Bengals
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Colgate Raiders
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Missouri State Bears
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

I am very high on Towson as they curb stomped Stony Brook and have what appears to be an elite quarterback.

I also dropped Kennesaw State as some have pointed out how weak their schedule was and how they lost to a bad FBS team in Georgia State.

Here is Kennesaws schedule.
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I moved Elon up a lot because they had a great win at JMU and curb stomped Furman who was a playoff team last year.

Here is Elons schedule so far.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181008/ccb55bf1b21770f45b83ee8e96eaed97.jpg

[Silenoz]

I know I must be missing something, but why is Montana still in this poll? Is it the holding off of Northern Iowa? Is it the close loss to Western Illinois? Is it the one-score win over Sac State? It cannot be the wins over Cal-Poly and Drake, can it? Somebody please help me out here.
Presumably the same reasons we've ever gotten votes this decade - it's FCS so no one can watch everyone else play so they just make a ton of assumptions based on what teams did in ancient history.

[WileECoyote06]

Did you watch that game?

Every second of it.

[grizband]

Haven't received an email yet, but here is my top 25 this week. One of the most difficult polls I've done in recent years, especially filling out the top 10. I still have Montana in the poll (just barely), and completely understand why other's did not rank them.

1. North Dakota State
2. Eastern Washington
3. Elon
4. James Madison
5. South Dakota State
6. Wofford
7. Kennesaw State
8. UC Davis
9. Jacksonville State
10. Illinois State
11. McNeese State
12. Towson
13. Nicholls
14. North Carolina A&T
15. Rhode Island
16. Weber State
17. Stony Brook
18. Colgate
19. Princeton
20. Idaho State
21. Montana
22. Maine
23. Northern Iowa
24. ETSU
25. Sam Houston State

Win: Elon
Loss: Montana

[BisonTru]

I know I must be missing something, but why is Montana still in this poll? Is it the holding off of Northern Iowa? Is it the close loss to Western Illinois? Is it the one-score win over Sac State? It cannot be the wins over Cal-Poly and Drake, can it? Somebody please help me out here.

Montana is 22rd, 23rd, 24th in Sagarin, the Massey Composite, and Massey respectively.

I also think taking care of a Northern Iowa team that blew out ISUb who took a top 5 team to OT and UNI giving the number one team in the country a game helps Montana. On top of that, Montana is a premier program that attracts talent.

[ksu_owls]

I moved Elon up a lot because they had a great win at JMU and curb stomped Furman who was a playoff team last year.

Here is Elons schedule so far.


I don't understand how Elon got the win at JMU but only beat Chuck South by 9 points. That's my only critique of their results so far. Huge win over JMU, though!!

[KPSUL]

If you are going to be a smartass at least be an accurate smartass. Dope.

I don't know why you let them get you so riled up. It's like someone from Plymouth State University trying to insult UNH - just ignore them. Hell, they're from North Dakota and they don't even have a varsity hockey team! Embarrassing.

[WileECoyote06]

I don't understand how Elon got the win at JMU but only beat Chuck South by 9 points. That's my only critique of their results so far. Huge win over JMU, though!!

The Chuck South that just got beat up by Savannah State? Say it ain't so . . . xcoffeex


xdrunkyx

[Prime Power]

I don't understand how Elon got the win at JMU but only beat Chuck South by 9 points. That's my only critique of their results so far. Huge win over JMU, though!!

Maybe JMU isn't as good as everyone thought or maybe they just laid an egg and will use it like it seems NDSU does every year.

[Serpentor]

Here's the blog post for this week: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-6-top-25-results/

I still think Towson is a little underrated. I'm not sure why SHSU is back in the top 25 when UND is nowhere near it. Also not sure why Montana is still hanging around in the top 25 either.

Your tears, so delightful, so salty... :D

[Professor Chaos]

I don't understand how Elon got the win at JMU but only beat Chuck South by 9 points. That's my only critique of their results so far. Huge win over JMU, though!!
The same reason SDSU gave NDSU all they could handle on the road one week and then nearly get beat at home by Indiana St the next week. All teams have stinker games but the really good teams still find ways to win those stinker games.


Your tears, so delightful, so salty... :D
Glad you enjoy them. xthumbsupx

The tears of Scott Tenorman taste better though....

[Catbooster]

Hello Catbooster,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/8/2018 2:18:54

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Elon Phoenix
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Kennesaw State Owls
7: Towson Tigers
8: Wofford Terriers
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Rhode Island Rams
12: Nicholls State Colonels
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Colgate Raiders
20: Sam Houston State Bearkats
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Idaho State Bengals
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Montana State Bobcats
25: East Tennessee State Buccaneers

Catbooster

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[Lorne_Malvo]

Agreed. I've warned about the UND NDSU bull**** taking over the FCS threads and I will let you guys know that are doing it that very soon the FCS board will go away for you if you keep f'n testing my patience with your childish crap. Get it together of GTFO.

It is ****ing idiotic.

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[Serpentor]

Glad you enjoy them. xthumbsupx

The tears of Scott Tenorman taste better though....

But at what cost, good sir? AT WHAT COST?

[Mayville Bison]

You have ranked UND, who Idaho State beat in GF.

TBH, I completely forgot about ISUo which is why the last line in my post is there

[Catbooster]

I have to agree with those who question the UM rankings. All season so far, I've thought that UM and MSU are pretty much a coin flip as to who is better on any given Saturday. But at this point, with both Griz losses to teams that the Cats beat, I don't see how you rank the Griz in the teens and the Cats aren't even on your top 25.

[dbackjon]

I have to agree with those who question the UM rankings. All season so far, I've thought that UM and MSU are pretty much a coin flip as to who is better on any given Saturday. But at this point, with both Griz losses to teams that the Cats beat, I don't see how you rank the Griz in the teens and the Cats aren't even on your top 25.

I just started a thread on this very topic :)

[semobison]

Hello Semobison,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/7/2018 18:10:59

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Elon Phoenix
3: James Madison Dukes
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Towson Tigers
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Maine Black Bears
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Idaho State Bengals
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Princeton Tigers
21: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Missouri State Bears
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats

Semobison

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=214648 Looking back Maine is a little too high and again I have a list of 6 teams I could replace 22-25 and wouldn't feel bad about it.

[caribbeanhen]

Hello Semobison,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/7/2018 18:10:59

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Elon Phoenix
3: James Madison Dukes
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Towson Tigers
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Maine Black Bears
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Idaho State Bengals
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Princeton Tigers
21: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Missouri State Bears
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats

Semobison

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=214648 Looking back Maine is a little too high and again I have a list of 6 teams I could replace 22-25 and wouldn't feel bad about it.

I bet you didnt see unranked Yale dominate Maine, nor unranked Dartmouth destroy Yale.....

Hate to say it but these Ivy teams are actually pretty good, small tragedy for FCS fans that they will never be able to prove it

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Montana is 22rd, 23rd, 24th in Sagarin, the Massey Composite, and Massey respectively.

I also think taking care of a Northern Iowa team that blew out ISUb who took a top 5 team to OT and UNI giving the number one team in the country a game helps Montana. On top of that, Montana is a premier program that attracts talent.

Right now 16 of our starting (maybe it's two deep can't recall off the top of my head) lineup is freshman. I never remember us being this young and we can be prone to good play but also some mistakes that come with youth right now. I do think that will cleaning up a lot after this smack in the face. BTW, PSU looked fairly decent but it might just have been this game but it was an odd one because I felt like there was no reason we couldn't have taken that one at any time but we just could not do it.

[Reign of Terrier]

How far did you drop Wofford? Also, I don't understand the UC Davis Top 10 votes.Lone defending socon champ and quarterfinalist Wofford? That's in the top 10 in total offense and defense? That averages 7 yards a carry and is still top 20 in pass efficiency?

Can't say I did, but I would take that team over Kennesaw State

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[semobison]

I bet you didnt see unranked Yale dominate Maine, nor unranked Dartmouth destroy Yale.....

Hate to say it but these Ivy teams are actually pretty good, small tragedy for FCS fans that they will never be able to prove it

Yeah, I saw the scores and have watched a little bit of the Ivies. I just have a hard time voting for them. I had Dartmouth in my list just outside the top 25. Yep, a small tragedy it is that they don't participate in the playoffs. I actually feel bad for the players!

[ksu_owls]

Lone defending socon champ and quarterfinalist Wofford? That's in the top 10 in total offense and defense? That averages 7 yards a carry and is still top 20 in pass efficiency?

Can't say I did, but I would take that team over Kennesaw State

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I've got a solid record of not talking smack on here, but I hope Wofford and KSU meet in the playoffs. I feel like we would beat that ass... I know our conference sucks and we don't play anyone, but Wofford doesn't impress me.

[FormerPokeCenter]

McNeese's offense precludes them from being a top 11 team...for the love of God, Logic and all that is reasonable, please put us back around #20.


10/8/2018




Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2225
89
1


2
Eastern Washington Eagles
2056

4


3
Elon Phoenix
1986

8


4
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1952

3


5
James Madison Dukes
1843

2


6
Kennesaw State Owls
1793

5


7
Wofford Terriers
1657

7


8
UC Davis Aggies
1469

9


9
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1349

11


10
Illinois State Redbirds
1315

13


11
McNeese State Cowboys
1314

10


12
Towson Tigers
1277

18


13
Nicholls State Colonels
1083

15


14
Rhode Island Rams
1025

17


15
Weber State Wildcats
1003

6


16
North Carolina A&T Aggies
941

16


17
Maine Black Bears
689

21


18
Colgate Raiders
630

22


19
Stony Brook Seawolves
572

12


20
South Dakota Coyotes
369

26


21
Central Arkansas Bears
344

25


22
Princeton Tigers
303

27


23
Montana Grizzlies
288

14


24
Idaho State Bengals
283

32


25
Sam Houston State Bearkats
257

29

















ORV:





26
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
216

30


27
Northern Iowa Panthers
207

20


28
Villanova Wildcats
97

19


29
Dartmouth Big Green
88

37


30
Montana State Bobcats
75

31


31
Missouri State Bears
71

23


32
Chattanooga Mocs
46

28


33
Western Illinois Leathernecks
26

24


34
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25

36


35
Tennessee State Tigers
16

40


36
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12

34


37
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10

NR


38
Western Carolina Catamounts
7

39


39
Sac State Hornets
5

33


40
Incarnate Word Cardinals
1

NR










Most Significant Win:

Elon Phoenix




Most Significant Loss:
T
James Madison Dukes





T
Montana Grizzlies


















Fell Out Of Poll:





38
Harvard Crimson





35
Yale Bulldogs

[Prime Power]

I've got a solid record of not talking smack on here, but I hope Wofford and KSU meet in the playoffs. I feel like we would beat that ass... I know our conference sucks and we don't play anyone, but Wofford doesn't impress me.

Ooooohhhhhh.....them fighten words....lol

I would enjoy that matchup.

[Reign of Terrier]

I've got a solid record of not talking smack on here, but I hope Wofford and KSU meet in the playoffs. I feel like we would beat that ass... I know our conference sucks and we don't play anyone, but Wofford doesn't impress me.You and those tiny linemen can think that.

But in all honesty, I think Kennesaw is a good thing, but I think Wofford has better athletes, especially in the trenches at this point in the programs history (did not think I would type that phrase before). Combine that with the fact that we've seen the option pretty regularly in practice and in conference play, I like our chances.

Kennesaw benefits offensively by playing lesser teams and teams that have bad defenses (due to the spread scheme). JSU was the best win in program history and even then I don't know what to make of it. Kennesaw is definitely top 15 and maybe even 10 but they benefit from the novelty of the option more than Wofford does.

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[bobcathpdevil56]

I have to agree with those who question the UM rankings. All season so far, I've thought that UM and MSU are pretty much a coin flip as to who is better on any given Saturday. But at this point, with both Griz losses to teams that the Cats beat, I don't see how you rank the Griz in the teens and the Cats aren't even on your top 25.

I second this opinion (with a forceful slamming of my fist on the desk).

[phoenix3]

My Poll
AGS Poll
Diff


1
North Dakota St
North Dakota State Bison
-


2
James Madison
Eastern Washington Eagles
3


3
South Dakota St
Elon Phoenix
1


4
Eastern Washington
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
-2


5
Elon
James Madison Dukes
-2


6
Towson
Kennesaw State Owls
6


7
UC Davis
Wofford Terriers
1


8
Illinois St
UC Davis Aggies
2


9
Colgate
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9


10
Jacksonville St
Illinois State Redbirds
-1


11
Wofford
McNeese State Cowboys
-4


12
Kennesaw St
Towson Tigers
-6


13
Princeton
Nicholls State Colonels
9


14
Nichols St
Rhode Island Rams
-1


15
Rhode Island
Weber State Wildcats
-1


16
Weber St
North Carolina A&T Aggies
-1


17
South Dakota
Maine Black Bears
3


18
McNeese St
Colgate Raiders
-7


19
Idaho St
Stony Brook Seawolves
5


20
Delaware
South Dakota Coyotes
14


21
Northern Iowa
Central Arkansas Bears
6


22
East Tenn State
Princeton Tigers
4


23
Montana
Montana Grizzlies
-


24
Missouri St
Idaho State Bengals
7


25
Maine
Sam Houston State Bearkats
-8




First off, I do put some weight into the puters. Most of the teams I'm higher on are also teams the puters are higher than AGS.

Second, I thought I'd have some shuffling in the top 4, but ultimately I didn't. James Madison I realize took the loss to Elon. It's real easy to argue Elon should be above JMU. Although I don't subscribe to team A beats team B so team A has to be above them because every year that doesn't hold up once the season settles. With JMU's past success I still believe they are the top team in the CAA. Elon will have the opportunity to take that if they win out, but that will be a tall order in the CAA. SDSU would have jumped JMU, but with the near loss against INSU I couldn't do that. In hindsight Eastern Washington jumping up makes sense in the AGS poll and with both Massey and the Massey composite I should give some more thought into bumping EWU at least above SDSU. Elon also has an argument being above SDSU as the composite has Elon above SDSU, but Massey still has SDSU higher.

For the rest as I already stated Colgate, Princeton, and Delaware are teams the computers are higher on than AGS. KSU, McNeese St, and Wofford are teams the computers are lower on than AGS. My poll kind of reflex a difference between the two. I do think the Southland and the Southern conferences are being a little disrespected by the puters, but IMO both conference are well behind the big 3 (CAA, MVFC, BigSky).
I don't vote in the AGS, which is good because I rarely have a clue how to rank anything below 10-12. Having said this, I pretty much agree with your ranking and especially the part about Elon beating JMU doesn't necessarily mean they're a better team, only that they were last Saturday.

Although I agree with the #5 ranking, I'd be very uncomfortable ranking us anywhere north of that. I also think Towson may be playing the best football in the CAA right now. So, I expect this list to be very dynamic over the next few weeks.

[ksu_owls]

You and those tiny linemen can think that.

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I should have added "with all due respect" to my first reply lol.

You guys have a good team but I think there's a reason that most people view KSU as the better team. Unfortunately, the only way we would find out is if the playoff stars align. I don't think we are #2 or #3 or even #5 in the Nation but I do think we are at least one score better than Wofford. And our tiny linemen get the job done.

[msupokes1]

McNeese's offense precludes them from being a top 11 team...for the love of God, Logic and all that is reasonable, please put us back around #20.

I agree. I am not sure we are a top 25 team at this point. Defense is a top 10 defense and will keep is in most games. The offense is not good at this moment. Offensive line issues are very evident. We cannot move the ball on the ground and the pass protection seems to be getting worse each week. We have scored 20 points or less in all but one game and that is against some very mediocre defenses.

[Reign of Terrier]

I should have added "with all due respect" to my first reply lol.

You guys have a good team but I think there's a reason that most people view KSU as the better team. Unfortunately, the only way we would find out is if the playoff stars align. I don't think we are #2 or #3 or even #5 in the Nation but I do think we are at least one score better than Wofford. And our tiny linemen get the job done.I added more nuance to my take, but Wofford plays multiple options teams every year that Kennesaw doesn't, each with better OL/DL

Not to mention, even though Wofford's schedule isn't fantastic, I think the defenses they face are a standard deviation better than the one Kennesaw faces. That can be a big deal because when the option blows up badly it's usually because the talent of defenders and the speed they make reads is better/faster than what said option teams are used to. Since KSU had been successful, they haven't had that experience, even in the playoffs.

To KSU's credit, they have JSU and Samford on the schedule, but other than that their schedule is unequivocally weak.

Maybe JSU is a better team than Wofford will face all year, but the average team Wofford plays is much better: Chattanooga, Samford, the citadel, ETSU, and Mercer would all win at least 7 games with KSU's schedule:

Easy wins:
Clark Atlanta
Alabama State
PC
Gardner Webb
Tennessee Tech

Probably easy wins:
Charleston Southern
Campbell
Monmouth

(I will concede that Samford would find a way to lose to Samford somehow)

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[dbackjon]

McNeese Sandbagging Unlimited

[mvemjsunpx]

(last week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. Eastern Washington (4)
3. Elon (6)
4. Kennesaw St. (5)
5. James Madison (2)
6. South Dakota St. (3)
7. Towson (15)
8. UC Davis (12)
9. North Carolina A&T (11)
10. Idaho St. (21)
11. McNeese St. (9)
12. Nicholls St. (10)
13. Jacksonville St. (13)
14. Rhode Island (14)
15. Wofford (17)
16. Stony Brook (8)
17. Weber St. (7)
18. South Dakota (NR)
19. Missouri St. (16)
20. Illinois St. (18)
21. Princeton (19)
22. Colgate (25)
23. Dartmouth (NR)
24. East Tennessee St. (NR)
25. Maine (NR)

W - Elon
L - Montana



Dropped - Villanova (20), Western Illinois (22), Montana (23), Sacramento St. (24)

[caribbeanhen]

Delaware in solidly in the Massey composite Index at # 20, I never even considered them top 25 AGS poll

I think the computers like them for beating up on Ivy League Cornell

[ksu_owls]

I added more nuance to my take, but Wofford plays multiple options teams every year that Kennesaw doesn't, each with better OL/DL

Not to mention, even though Wofford's schedule isn't fantastic, I think the defenses they face are a standard deviation better than the one Kennesaw faces. That can be a big deal because when the option blows up badly it's usually because the talent of defenders and the speed they make reads is better/faster than what said option teams are used to. Since KSU had been successful, they haven't had that experience, even in the playoffs.

To KSU's credit, they have JSU and Samford on the schedule, but other than that their schedule is unequivocally weak.

Maybe JSU is a better team than Wofford will face all year, but the average team Wofford plays is much better: Chattanooga, Samford, the citadel, ETSU, and Mercer would all win at least 7 games with KSU's schedule:

Easy wins:
Clark Atlanta
Alabama State
PC
Gardner Webb
Tennessee Tech

Probably easy wins:
Charleston Southern
Campbell
Monmouth

(I will concede that Samford would find a way to lose to Samford somehow)

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I would think each of those teams win no less than 8 games. The only games that are possible losses would be Ga St, Samford, JSU. I am interested in how Campbell has been playing, but I doubt they are going to be a serious threat this season. I will say that the way KSU has been winning has proven they are legit; however, as I posted on a different thread earlier, I want KSU to be a good team that beats good teams and not just a good team that blows out bad teams. Not much we can do with our SOS for this season, but if we keep pounding these sorry Big South teams then maybe we will get a chance to meet Wofford in the playoffs. I'll buy you a beer if we do!

[Reign of Terrier]

I would think each of those teams win no less than 8 games. The only games that are possible losses would be Ga St, Samford, JSU. I am interested in how Campbell has been playing, but I doubt they are going to be a serious threat this season. I will say that the way KSU has been winning has proven they are legit; however, as I posted on a different thread earlier, I want KSU to be a good team that beats good teams and not just a good team that blows out bad teams. Not much we can do with our SOS for this season, but if we keep pounding these sorry Big South teams then maybe we will get a chance to meet Wofford in the playoffs. I'll buy you a beer if we do!Deal.

The thing with KSU is that you can't do much to impress people with that schedule, so no one learns anything from week to week.

Hopefully next year the AD will go smart and schedule tougher OOC. Because the big south is paper mache, you may as well cover your bases OOC. You don't play Wofford until 2020 unfortunately.

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[Preferred Walk-On]

Montana is 22rd, 23rd, 24th in Sagarin, the Massey Composite, and Massey respectively.

I also think taking care of a Northern Iowa team that blew out ISUb who took a top 5 team to OT and UNI giving the number one team in the country a game helps Montana. On top of that, Montana is a premier program that attracts talent.

I can get on board with this explanation. Just cannot fathom why Montana State is missing then...especially given the two comparisons that can be more directly made between the two Montana schools.

[FormerPokeCenter]

McNeese Sandbagging Unlimited


When we do it before a big game, it's sandbagging....When we do it before Open Date, you know we're telling the truth.

Besides, we haven't won a ****ing play off game in 15 years...

We're no sandbagging....we're ****ing frustrated!

[BisonTru]

I can get on board with this explanation. Just cannot fathom why Montana State is missing then...especially given the two comparisons that can be more directly made between the two Montana schools.

Comparatively Montana St is 26th, 32nd, 36th in Massey, Massey composite, and Sagarin respectively.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Comparatively Montana St is 26th, 32nd, 36th in Massey, Massey composite, and Sagarin respectively.

Northern Iowa, Princeton, South Dakota, Missouri State, Dartmouth, Villanova, Delaware, and Samford (to name a few) are also higher in Sagarin than Montana, yet only two of these are ranked in the AGS Top 25. All of these teams are also higher in Massey, with the exception of Samford.

Not sure these are really the best ways to justify Montana over Montana State, while completely disregarding not one, but two common opponents; however, each has their own "system" for determining/justifying placement in polls. If we all agreed, what fun would that be?

[BisonTru]

Northern Iowa, Princeton, South Dakota, Missouri State, Dartmouth, Villanova, Delaware, and Samford (to name a few) are also higher in Sagarin than Montana, yet only two of these are ranked in the AGS Top 25. All of these teams are also higher in Massey, with the exception of Samford.

Not sure these are really the best ways to justify Montana over Montana State, while completely disregarding not one, but two common opponents; however, each has their own "system" for determining/justifying placement in polls. If we all agreed, what fun would that be?

I have all of those teams ranked except Dartmouth, Villanova, and Samford. Samford is at 21 in Sagarin, but is way down on Massey and the composite, so that one just seems a little fluky they are that high on Sagarin. Dartmouth I maybe should have ranked, but I'm still trying to sort out where the IVY's fit in. Villanova and Montana are really close on the puters. That one I could see an argument for Nova over Montana, but it's really close.

Edit: To add, the computers I think can be down on a whole conference that I don't really agree with because of limited data points. For in conference debates tho I tend to think the computers are fairly close given a lot of common opponents and past games.

[ElCid]

McNeese Sandbagging Unlimited

I had a slightly hard time justifying their higher ranking in my poll. But they are getting the Ws when they should. They have been lean on O, but so what. Maybe some sandbagging. But their O is wanting a bit. But a win is a win. I can see them faltering in one of their next two games pretty easily. If they don't then all is justified.

[phoenix3]

I don't understand how Elon got the win at JMU but only beat Chuck South by 9 points. That's my only critique of their results so far. Huge win over JMU, though!!
There isn’t a GOOD excuse for Elon’s performance versus CSU, but CSU came after the W&M cancellation and no practice or film work for several days because of Elon’s campus evacuation. We slept through the first half and completely controlled all 3 phases of the game in the second half after we knocked off the cobwebs.

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/7/2018 8:35:31

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Elon Phoenix
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Wofford Terriers
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Towson Tigers
12: Nicholls State Colonels
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Idaho State Bengals
17: Colgate Raiders
18: Maine Black Bears
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Sam Houston State Bearkats
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25: Weber State Wildcats

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Go Green]

Dartmouth and Maine were my last two I was considering. Maine being in a playoff conference got the nod.

The guess here is that Yale would select Dartmouth for that last spot over Maine.

[Go Green]

good questions

another factor that should be considered for the next few years in terms of Princeton football, is that this year they had the highest ranked recruiting class in all of FCS football, including the #1 rated player, which currently is only the #3 QB in the Princeton depth chart

As I said, Princeton's third string appears better than Dartmouth's.

If that makes the Tigers better than the Green in the polls, so be it. We will see what happens when they actually meet.

[KPSUL]

The guess here is that Yale would select Dartmouth for that last spot over Maine.

Based only on their first hand experience, Yale would select Holy Cross over Maine as well.

[hoidOfYolen]

I don't understand how Elon got the win at JMU but only beat Chuck South by 9 points. That's my only critique of their results so far. Huge win over JMU, though!!

The way I saw it, Elon was just playing uncharacteristically bad in the first half of that game. They were running the ball poorly, and didn't seem to get the picture that they needed to pass instead of just keeping the run up the gut every play. Once halftime came around, they made some adjustments to their playcalling and their defense and rolled, allowing only like 40 yards of CSU offense in the second half. That half of the game was Elon's gimme game, which everyone get's one of. They can't play like that again this year and expect to win games.

[ecasadoSBU]

1: North Dakota State
2: Eastern Washington
3: South Dakota State
4: Elon
5: Kennesaw State
6: James Madison
7: Wofford
8: UC Davis
9: Towson
10: Jacksonville State
11: Rhode Island
12: McNeese
13: Weber State
14: Nicholls
15: Illinois State
16: Central Arkansas
17: Princeton
18: Colgate
19: Northern Iowa
20: Idaho State
21: Chattanooga
22: North Carolina A&T
23: Dartmouth
24: Maine
25: ETSU

Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
Most Significant Loss: Montana Grizzlies

Stony Brook not in your top 25?

I dont think that loss against Towson warranted getting dropped

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

I've got a solid record of not talking smack on here, but I hope Wofford and KSU meet in the playoffs. I feel like we would beat that ass... I know our conference sucks and we don't play anyone, but Wofford doesn't impress me.

I would love to see the Bison play the Owls so we could give you our customary "You're two years away from bring two years away" beating. :) Its practically a playoff tradition.

[PantherRob82]

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/7/2018 19:57:51

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Elon Phoenix
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Towson Tigers
7: Wofford Terriers
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Rhode Island Rams
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Maine Black Bears
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Idaho State Bengals
25: Princeton Tigers

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[cx500d]

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/7/2018 19:57:51

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Elon Phoenix
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Towson Tigers
7: Wofford Terriers
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Rhode Island Rams
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Maine Black Bears
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Idaho State Bengals
25: Princeton Tigers

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


Western Carolina? They got pounded by Samford who isn't on your poll...They got beat by Furman who isn't in your poll... Their sole wins are against a DIV2 school, squeaked by an 0-6 VMI (who scored 50 points on WCU), and beat a 1-5 Gardner webb

[POD Knows]

Western Carolina? They got pounded by Samford who isn't on your poll...They got beat by Furman who isn't in your poll... Their sole wins are against a DIV2 school, squeaked by an 0-6 VMI (who scored 50 points on WCU), and beat a 1-5 Gardner webbInclusion of WCU in this poll is pretty sad.

[paward]

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix (MSW)
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats (MSL)

Will not post my poll. Too much analyzing why I place teams where I do, however on the MS Win and MS loss should it not be the greatest impact on placing a certain team. My pick is above and both those teams had the greatest move up, down/out of my poll.

Is this the rationale?

[cx500d]

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix (MSW)
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats (MSL)

Will not post my poll. Too much analyzing why I place teams where I do, however on the MS Win and MS loss should it not be the greatest impact on placing a certain team. My pick is above and both those teams had the greatest move up, down/out of my poll.

Is this the rationale?





I guess its as good as any...I think it's dumb to have the greatest loss be the team the greatest win beat though like apparently a bunch of people did.

[Rjones61]

Didn't know if this had been posted yet.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CraigHaley/status/1049375487393456130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1049375487393456130&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwi tter.min.html%231049375487393456130

[Professor Chaos]

I guess its as good as any...I think it's dumb to have the greatest loss be the team the greatest win beat though like apparently a bunch of people did.
Ursus can correct me if I'm wrong but I think most times when the consensus MSW and MSL are the same game it's not because a lot of voters individually chose the two teams playing from that game it's just because almost every voter chooses one team from that game as their MSW or MSL and when one team gets roughly half the votes chances are they're going to get the MSW or MSL. In this case it appears more voters thought Elon's win was more significant than JMU's loss since Montana tied for the MSL.

[POD Knows]

Didn't know if this had been posted yet.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CraigHaley/status/1049375487393456130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1049375487393456130&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwi tter.min.html%231049375487393456130
Neither team should be in the top 25 and when UND spanks Montana this weekend we won’t have to question dropping them out
out of the top 25. #BOOKIT

[Preferred Walk-On]

I have all of those teams ranked except Dartmouth, Villanova, and Samford. Samford is at 21 in Sagarin, but is way down on Massey and the composite, so that one just seems a little fluky they are that high on Sagarin. Dartmouth I maybe should have ranked, but I'm still trying to sort out where the IVY's fit in. Villanova and Montana are really close on the puters. That one I could see an argument for Nova over Montana, but it's really close.

Edit: To add, the computers I think can be down on a whole conference that I don't really agree with because of limited data points. For in conference debates tho I tend to think the computers are fairly close given a lot of common opponents and past games.

I think the computers are not doing their job correctly based on this criterion, or the computers are giving this very little weight (at least less than I would give it and/or less than seems to be indicated) with respect to Montana and Montana State.

I guess there's always next week to potentially correct this, though I suspect Montana State will be given little credit for beating Idaho (assuming this occurs) and will remain outside the AGS Top 25. #BookIt

[RootinFerDukes]

Delaware might be the best team in the field that isn't currently ranked. They're still suffering from trying to come back from the URI loss that plummeted them earlier in the year. Their game against Elon next week is big for them to prove they're the contender they believe they are. They could catch Elon with a hangover from their JMU win. That does happen sometimes after big, unexpected wins for some programs. NDSU may be the only one immune to that phenomenon.

[Preferred Walk-On]

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix (MSW)
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats (MSL)

Will not post my poll. Too much analyzing why I place teams where I do, however on the MS Win and MS loss should it not be the greatest impact on placing a certain team. My pick is above and both those teams had the greatest move up, down/out of my poll.

Is this the rationale?




My thought is not necessarily greatest move up/down, but rather how big of a win that win is for that program in its current state (and vice versa for loss). Take for example the Elon @ James Madision. I think this win was huge for Elon and its program, considering its past, its current mission, and given the venue and scenario for the team it was playing.

Now James Madision, on the other hand, although this is a loss, it ultimately is not going to affect JMU being seeded, it is early enough in the season for JMU to potentially recover a 1-4 seed (which some might say they are not even out of yet), they were beaten by a highly ranked team, and it ultimately might help JMU focus a bit and realize they are indeed beatable. I would not consider this loss devastating for JMU. All it did was alter the 1-5 landscape a bit, and perhaps only temporarily.

[gsf23nd]

A few things that have me puzzled
-NAU beat and WSU, yet gets no love? I know the shallacking they took to Missery St was bad, but still, not a fan of them being below SHSU and GFCC.
-Colgate is too high and so is Maine
-Who has Princeton beaten that deserves a ranking? Butler (237/255), Monmouth (205/255), Columbia (204/255), and Lehigh (217). An overall team of of 216/255. That is not worthy of votes.
-ISUo is getting no love for beating @GFCC, NAU, and Idaho considering they were projected to finish 12/13 in the Big Sky.

Why would teams get love for beating a "Community College" as you put it?

[McNeese72]

I agree. I am not sure we are a top 25 team at this point. Defense is a top 10 defense and will keep is in most games. The offense is not good at this moment. Offensive line issues are very evident. We cannot move the ball on the ground and the pass protection seems to be getting worse each week. We have scored 20 points or less in all but one game and that is against some very mediocre defenses.

We have been making our oppenents defenses look very good. Until they play other teams.

Doc

[Daytripper]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Elon Phoenix
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Wofford Terriers
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Rhode Island Rams
10: Towson Tigers
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Idaho State Bengals
25: East Tennessee State Buccaneers

Daytripper

The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: Montana Grizzlies

[kalm]

this was the first poll where I started bumping teams for being unimpressive (i.e winning, but having not beaten anyone)

This is a great point, YT. And I'm still not afraid to move a team WAY up that I undervalued (I'm looking at you Elon). I also think it's time for teams with great records but weaker SoS to start losing ground to teams with more losses but higher quality wins and challenging schedules. There is such a thing as a quality loss.

[JSUSoutherner]

16: Sam Houston State Bearkats
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks


Adorable.

[Daytripper]

Adorable.

SHSU would win a head-to-head game at this point.

- - - Updated - - -


This is a great point, YT. And I'm still not afraid to move a team WAY up that I undervalued (I'm looking at you Elon). I also think it's time for teams with great records but weaker SoS to start losing ground to teams with more losses but higher quality wins and challenging schedules. There is such a thing as a quality loss.

I did the same with Towson. It took me a while but I am a believer.

[JSUSoutherner]

SHSU would win a head-to-head game at this point.



Adorable.

[Daytripper]

Adorable.

Repetitive.

[JSUSoutherner]

Repetitive.

I mean whatever I say isn't going to change your mind anyway. You've obviously bought into your non-existent defense and anemic running game.

I guess we will see what happens in November. You're usually on our side of the bracket anyway. Hopefully we get out of the second round so we can play you guys again. Lol

[ksu_owls]

I would love to see the Bison play the Owls so we could give you our customary "You're two years away from bring two years away" beating. :) Its practically a playoff tradition.

Yeaaaa... I don't have the same feeling about the Owls -vs- the Bison as I do against Wofford lol. I definitely would love to see the two teams play because that means we are doing something right-- I just know it wouldn't be that fun to watch.

[Daytripper]

I mean whatever I say isn't going to change your mind anyway. You've obviously bought into your non-existent defense and anemic running game.

I guess we will see what happens in November. You're usually on our side of the bracket anyway. Hopefully we get out of the second round so we can play you guys again. Lol

Admittedly, we are a work in progress. But our defense is better than in the past and getting better every week. We have a new offensive system with an RS freshman quarterback who is making exponential improvement every week. If the trend continues we could be a very dangerous team come playoff time (if we make it). We probably need to win out to get in.

[MacThor]

After UC Davis made SVP's worst "Bad Beat" of the season so far, I might have to move them down in my poll. :)

They were -13.5, and up 39 with under 7 minutes to play. Northern CO scored 26 unanswered points to lose by 13. xoopsx

[AggiePride]

After UC Davis made SVP's worst "Bad Beat" of the season so far, I might have to move them down in my poll. :)

They were -13.5, and up 39 with under 7 minutes to play. Northern CO scored 26 unanswered points to lose by 13. xoopsx

How do you move down our reserves?

[Reign of Terrier]

This is a great point, YT. And I'm still not afraid to move a team WAY up that I undervalued (I'm looking at you Elon). I also think it's time for teams with great records but weaker SoS to start losing ground to teams with more losses but higher quality wins and challenging schedules. There is such a thing as a quality loss.It depends on the conference. The problem I have with the CAA and MVFC is that we have information problems: we aren't going to know how good half the quality teams are because they won't make the playoffs. There's going to be a bunch of teams sitting at 5-6 to 7-4 that have gotten votes over the course of the year.

My Socon bias leads me to think that we would view the socon in similar terms if we had higher turnover in terms of teams making the playoffs. So, voters may look more favorably at a win over Stony Brook than, say the Citadel because of all this transitivity.

To be clear, I'm not punishing MVFC or CAA teams yet for quality losses, but I'm not rewarding them either (except SDSU which is #2 in my poll). All will be revealed in the second half of this season, and they'll either climb or drop.

But with teams like Kennesaw and Jacksonville State and NC A&T, they're not getting rewarded. And I know Wofford's schedule is a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ as well, but we have won some playoff games in the last couple years and have shown consistency and measurable improvement this year. I'm not rewarding them either, but I'm less likely to drop them because of the consistency and improvement. Maybe that's a bias (it likely is), but I'm confident in how Wofford is playing right now that I'll take the risk.

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[dbackjon]

Didn't know if this had been posted yet.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CraigHaley/status/1049375487393456130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1049375487393456130&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwi tter.min.html%231049375487393456130

Yes - and I even started a thread on it :)

[GoBlueHens83]

Yeaaaa... I don't have the same feeling about the Owls -vs- the Bison as I do against Wofford lol. I definitely would love to see the two teams play because that means we are doing something right-- I just know it wouldn't be that fun to watch.

Can confirm from personal experience that it is no fun sitting in the Fargodome watching your team get smashed.

[F'N Hawks]

Can confirm from personal experience that it is no fun sitting in the Fargodome watching your team get smashed.

Yah that must suck. I wouldn't know.....oh wait. xembarrassedx

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Can confirm from personal experience that it is no fun sitting in the Fargodome watching your team get smashed.

I went to the Fargo Dome for a game once and watched the Bison lose. It was even against my team! My team ended up losing out there about a month later in the playoffs...lol. The reason I was even in Fargo was to check out UND in Grand Forks!

[PantherRob82]

Western Carolina? They got pounded by Samford who isn't on your poll...They got beat by Furman who isn't in your poll... Their sole wins are against a DIV2 school, squeaked by an 0-6 VMI (who scored 50 points on WCU), and beat a 1-5 Gardner webb

Crap. That was an error. Sorry I didn't catch it

[BisonTru]

I think the computers are not doing their job correctly based on this criterion, or the computers are giving this very little weight (at least less than I would give it and/or less than seems to be indicated) with respect to Montana and Montana State.

I guess there's always next week to potentially correct this, though I suspect Montana State will be given little credit for beating Idaho (assuming this occurs) and will remain outside the AGS Top 25. #BookIt

Well beating a bottom half Big Sky team at home isn't exactly something to write home about referencing the Idaho game coming up. Also, with the WIU common opponent, MSU beating them barely at home and Montana losing closely on the road to me and I think the puters thats kind of a wash either way. It's real realistic that those results would have flipped if the games were played on opposite fields. The PSU common opponent is certainly in favor of MSU, but the computers must not see that as enough to push MSU past Montana.

It's a good debate and the fun part is we will get to see both teams in the brawl.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Well beating a bottom half Big Sky team at home isn't exactly something to write home about referencing the Idaho game coming up. Also, with the WIU common opponent, MSU beating them barely at home and Montana losing closely on the road to me and I think the puters thats kind of a wash either way. It's real realistic that those results would have flipped if the games were played on opposite fields. The PSU common opponent is certainly in favor of MSU, but the computers must not see that as enough to push MSU past Montana.

It's a good debate and the fun part is we will get to see both teams in the brawl.

It's too bad that Montana does not play Eastern Washington (or South Dakota State) for a comparison, since those are Montana State's only losses thus far. It may indeed shake out that Montana deserves to be ranked above Montana State, but thus far, that just appears to be somewhat of a difficult sell. It is just unfortunate that Montana State seems to be on the losing end of this through really no fault of their own, except for losing to AGS's #2 and #4 teams. Here's to wishing both teams the best, and that the Brawl will be as good as advertised.

[kalm]

It depends on the conference. The problem I have with the CAA and MVFC is that we have information problems: we aren't going to know how good half the quality teams are because they won't make the playoffs. There's going to be a bunch of teams sitting at 5-6 to 7-4 that have gotten votes over the course of the year.

My Socon bias leads me to think that we would view the socon in similar terms if we had higher turnover in terms of teams making the playoffs. So, voters may look more favorably at a win over Stony Brook than, say the Citadel because of all this transitivity.

To be clear, I'm not punishing MVFC or CAA teams yet for quality losses, but I'm not rewarding them either (except SDSU which is #2 in my poll). All will be revealed in the second half of this season, and they'll either climb or drop.

But with teams like Kennesaw and Jacksonville State and NC A&T, they're not getting rewarded. And I know Wofford's schedule is a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ as well, but we have won some playoff games in the last couple years and have shown consistency and measurable improvement this year. I'm not rewarding them either, but I'm less likely to drop them because of the consistency and improvement. Maybe that's a bias (it likely is), but I'm confident in how Wofford is playing right now that I'll take the risk.

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Thanks for your honesty regarding bias and you're making some good points. My concern with the SoCon is OOC. You can make a case that they beat each other up like other conferences also do, but what is the best win outside of conference? I'm not blaming them for how they schedule. Similar to the CAA why wouldn't you schedule 2 weaker conference games and money game when you have all of those FCS teams around you? But you're best OOC performance in the conference might be close losses to Wyoming, FSU, and/or Kennesaw.

That's why I was glad to see the Towson-Citadel matchup this year.

[McNeeserocket]

I have my reservations about McNeese this year, especially on offense. However, just because the scores do not seem to indicate whether a team is dominant and/or better over another good team(s) at times does not mean that the team is not worthy of notice. Yes, McNeese is not blowing anyone out on the scoreboard. So if beating Nicholls by only 10 pts or beating teams like SFA and Abilene Christian by 3 to 7 points means McNeese might be weak, might it instead mean they are still winning by not allowing many scored points by the opponent? All you need is a one point more than your opponent to win each week! How you do it each week is never shown when scores are reported.

Case in point, in 1997 McNeese went all the way to the National Championship game on the back of their defense and special teams (field goal kicker was deadly under 60 yards). True, there were games early in the year that were rather one sided, but once they got in the playoffs the scores were rather low scoring, including the NC game which was won by Youngstown 10 to 9 where only one touchdown was scored by Youngstown and 4 field goals were scored overall. That same year in 1997 in the Semi Final game, I remember a quote after the game from a Western Illinois player who said that McNeese couldn't score an offensive touchdown in a girl's gym (McNeese won that game at Western Illinois by a score of 14-12 without a offensive touchdown). McNeese didn't need to score an offensive touchdown to win the game!

This year so far, McNeese beats Nicholls 20 to 10 (with a last second touchdown being scored by Nicholls to narrow the score). Nicholls beats Sam Houston 27 to 7, and Sam Houston beats Central Arkansas 34 to 31. According to using scores as a projection of how good a team is would mean that McNeese should beat Central Arkansas and Sam Houston (McNeese does not play SAM this year). These scores should also indicate that Nicholls should beat Central Arkansas cuz they beat Sam who beat Central Arkansas, but what we won't know if this holds true cuz Nicholls does not play Central Arkansas this year in regular season.

So beating conference opponents (or non conference opponents for that matter) is not an indicator of who wins a future matchup. Some teams just match up better against certain teams based on personnel and defensive and offensive schemes. McNeese has the won the games they have won so far on defense and special teams, but we have only played one rated team so far (Nicholls). Each week ahead is scary for now on, due to good teams and high emotion conference rivalries where you throw x's and o's out the window for games like McNeese vs Northwestern and McNeese vs Lamar. Anything can, does and will happen in those games every single year!

The rest of the schedule for McNeese may (or may not) indicate more about McNeese's being worthy of being in the top 25! My guess is that the top 25 will look very little like it does now come December 1, 2018.

[Reign of Terrier]

Thanks for your honesty regarding bias and you're making some good points. My concern with the SoCon is OOC. You can make a case that they beat each other up like other conferences also do, but what is the best win outside of conference? I'm not blaming them for how they schedule. Similar to the CAA why wouldn't you schedule 2 weaker conference games and money game when you have all of those FCS teams around you? But you're best OOC performance in the conference might be close losses to Wyoming, FSU, and/or Kennesaw.

That's why I was glad to see the Towson-Citadel matchup this year.Wofford has Kennesaw scheduled for 2020 and 2021 I think. The problem with the teams surrounding us is that the conferences are either garbage or so competitive.

If you're a CAA team and you play in arguably the best conference in the FCS (up there with MVFC), why would you schedule a harder OOC? Elon and Towson are the exception when it comes to this.

It's at least an 8 hour drive from Charleston to Maryland, and really the only CAA teams close enough are JMU, Richmond, William and Mary and Elon.

The Big South is a moving target when it comes to how good they are. Remember, 2 years ago no one heard of Kennesaw state. Charleston Southern was the big team, and 2 years (or so) before that, it was Coastal. So by the time you schedule one of these games, the aforementioned team may not be competitive in the same way, just look at Charleston Southern (though Kennesaw will be an exception).

Heck, when we scheduled GW for this go around, I'm pretty sure they beat us two times straight.

And with OVC...the conference is overall down and has been for a long time. So on the surface, it looks like the socon has options, but they're probably limited by the CAA not wanting to get too tough in OOC and the inconsistency in the Big South.

Our OOC and high turnover will keep us out of best conference discussions, but in the meantime everyone but Samford shows up and shows out in the playoffs.

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[dustinthorn93]

I'm not a voter, but here is my mess this week...

1. North Dakota State Bison
2. Eastern Washington Eagles
3. South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4. Elon Phoenix
5. James Madison Dukes
6. Kennesaw State Owls
7. UC Davis Aggies
8. Wofford Terriers
9. Towson Tigers
10. Illinois State Redbirds
11. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12. McNeese State Cowboys
13. Weber State Wildcats
14. Nicholls State Colonels
15. North Carolina A&T Aggies
16. East Tennessee State Buccaneers
17. Rhode Island Rams
18. Idaho State Bengals
19. Maine Black Bears
20. South Dakota Coyotes
21. Colgate Raiders
22. Stony Brook Seawolves
23. Montana State Bobcats
24. Sam Houston State Bearkats
25. Montana Grizzlies