AGS Poll Results - WEEK 5 POLL - 2018 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

10/1/2018



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2374
94
1


2
James Madison Dukes
2280
1
2


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2108

3


4
Eastern Washington Eagles
2084

4


5
Kennesaw State Owls
1939

5


6
Weber State Wildcats
1858

7


7
Wofford Terriers
1666

8


8
Elon Phoenix
1660

10


9
UC Davis Aggies
1381

13


10
McNeese State Cowboys
1368

12


11
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1341

11


12
Stony Brook Seawolves
1275

18


13
Illinois State Redbirds
1108

6


14
Montana Grizzlies
990

19


15
Nicholls State Colonels
977

17


16
North Carolina A&T Aggies
883

16


17
Rhode Island Rams
881

20


18
Towson Tigers
727

23


19
Villanova Wildcats
576

14


20
Northern Iowa Panthers
545

22


21
Maine Black Bears
481

9


22
Colgate Raiders
405

26


23
Missouri State Bears
396

34


24
Western Illinois Leathernecks
363

25


25
Central Arkansas Bears
313

15

















ORV:





26
South Dakota Coyotes
153

27


27
Princeton Tigers
134

30


28
Chattanooga Mocs
133

21


29
Sam Houston State Bearkats
132

29


30
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
104

NR


31
Montana State Bobcats
93

24


32T
Idaho State Bengals
37

NR


32T
Sac State Hornets
37

33


34
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21

37


35
Yale Bulldogs
20

NR


36
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17

36


37
Dartmouth Big Green
7

NR


38
Harvard Crimson
4

32


39
Western Carolina Catamounts
3

31


40
Tennessee State Tigers
1

NR










Most Significant Win:

Missouri State Bears




Most Significant Loss:

Maine Black Bears

























Fell Out Of Poll:






Austin Peay Governors






Northern Arizona Lumberjacks






Richmond Spiders






Samford Bulldogs






Youngstown State Penguins

[dbackjon]

: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Kennesaw State Owls
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Wofford Terriers
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Colgate Raiders
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Missouri State Bears
23: Towson Tigers
24: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25: Western Carolina Catamounts

dbackjon

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[Professor Chaos]

Here's the AGS poll blog post for this week: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-5-top-25-results/

A few thoughts:

Even though Towson moved up quite a bit I still feel like they're underrated at #18.
Good for Missouri State as they cracked the AGS top 25 for the first time since 2014. Along those same lines I'm kind of surprised Illinois State didn't get punished more than they did.
Pretty rough treatment for Central Arkansas dropping them 10 spots for an OT loss on the road to a team in the ORV in SHSU. Maybe people are ranking them due to the QB injury? (not saying there's anything wrong with that)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

A note of thanks to the voters. This was an exceptionally good week for me not having to spend hours fixing things. There were only a couple of small mistakes, everyone got back to me via email quickly so that I could fix the problem and move on. You voters really pulled your weight this week and I thank you for the extra effort you put into this one.

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Towson Tigers
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: Colgate Raiders
25: East Tennessee State Buccaneers

Win: Missouri State
Loss: Central Arkansas
Conference: MVFC

Looking at the poll, this is what I am having struggles with:

-Montana in a different zipcode compared to WIU
-ISUr is way too high and above Missery St
-ISUo should receive more votes than SHSU
-The dropoff from 25 to 26 is vast.

12 out of 25 were either perfect or 1 off.

[dbackjon]

My last two (ETSU and WCU) aren't in the main poll. I don't have UNI or Villanova in the poll.

[Grizalltheway]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Towson Tigers
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: Colgate Raiders
25: East Tennessee State Buccaneers

Win: Missouri State
Loss: Central Arkansas
Conference: MVFC

Looking at the poll, this is what I am having struggles with:

-Montana in a different zipcode compared to WIU
-ISUr is way too high and above Missery St
-ISUo should receive more votes than SHSU
-The dropoff from 25 to 26 is vast.

12 out of 25 were either perfect or 1 off.

How do you mean?

[GoBlueHens83]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Kennesaw State Owls
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: North Carolina A&T Aggies
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Towson Tigers
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Nicholls State Colonels
23: Missouri State Bears
24: Idaho State Bengals
25: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

GoBlueHens83

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[TheKingpin28]

How do you mean?

Zipcode, as in, distance between the two teams. If someone wants to rank them higher, I'd like to know why since WIU has the H-H match-up in their back pocket and both teams look on par to each other.

How can Montana be 14 and WIU be 24? That needs some explaining.

[Grizalltheway]

Zipcode, as in, distance between the two teams. If someone wants to rank them higher, I'd like to know why since WIU has the H-H match-up in their back pocket and both teams look on par to each other.

How can Montana be 14 and WIU be 24? That needs some explaining.

I agree that WIU should probably be higher, but I would guess the UNI win is looking better and better in the eyes of the voters. And right or wrong, 4-1 looks better than 2-2.

[TheKingpin28]

I agree that WIU should probably be higher, but I would guess the UNI win is looking better and better in the eyes of the voters. And right or wrong, 4-1 looks better than 2-2.

Not necessarily. It all depends on who you play and how you play them. The Griz looked bad in that Drake game but if you looked at the box score, you'd think otherwise. I just want to know why WIU is being penalized for playing Montana St on the road as well as Illinois and they shot themselves in the foot against Montana St, but Montana is not being penalized for losing to WIU.

Again, that is just me, but I am not sure how one can be 14 and the other 24 when the one that is 24 beat the one that is 14.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Stony Brook Seawolves
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Elon Phoenix
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Nicholls State Colonels
16: Towson Tigers
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Maine Black Bears

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Yale Bulldogs
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[superman7515]

I will freely admit I do not understand the Kennesaw State love from the same folks who trashed NC A&T for the Aggies schedule earlier in the season when it was 40-50 spots tougher than the Owls.

Right now, KSU's toughest game was a 4-point loss to #124 Georgia State. Villanova is rated #122 and AGS has them rated 19th in the FCS.

They have wins against 0-5 Tennessee Tech (#307), 1-3 Alabama State (#355), 1-4 Clark Atlanta (#651), and 1-4 Samford (#191). None of those teams has a D1 win.

Do they deserve to be ranked? I think so and I have them ranked myself. But they have done absolutely nothing to show they are a Top Ten team in my opinion by playing a PFL schedule.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I agree that WIU should probably be higher, but I would guess the UNI win is looking better and better in the eyes of the voters. And right or wrong, 4-1 looks better than 2-2.

Exactly, I don't see how this even a question right now. We are starting to get down the road a bit with games to look at now and the records are a major factor, UM barely dropped that one and are starting more Freshman than Seniors so they are gaining quickly in learning not to commit the mistakes that took that game away from us.

Now if WIU wins their next two and UM drops one of the next two I would bet the spots would be very similar with WIU on top.

[TheKingpin28]

I will freely admit I do not understand the Kennesaw State love from the same folks who trashed NC A&T for the Aggies schedule earlier in the season when it was 40-50 spots tougher than the Owls.

Right now, KSU's toughest game was a 4-point loss to #124 Georgia State. Villanova is rated #122 and AGS has them rated 19th in the FCS.

They have wins against 0-5 Tennessee Tech (#307), 1-3 Alabama State (#355), 1-4 Clark Atlanta (#651), and 1-4 Samford (#191). None of those teams has a D1 win.

Do they deserve to be ranked? I think so and I have them ranked myself. But they have done absolutely nothing to show they are a Top Ten team in my opinion by playing a PFL schedule.

Can't blame them that Samford was supposed to be a contender for the NC and then ended up ****ting the bed. They only have 1 more test in JSU to end the season.

With me, the problem I have is that I cannot name 6 teams better than them at this point, so they deserve to be in there. I do a tier of rankings and by doing this, I believe all teams in that tier are fluid enough where moving them around would not affect me enough to warrant a serious discussion. This is how my rankings broke out but I could see if someone wanted to move Wofford and Elon into that 2nd tier.

1-3 NDSU, JMU, SDSU
4-6 KSU, EWU, WSU
7-11 Wofford, Elon, JSU, McNeese St, SBU
12-16 NCAT, UC-Davis, Towson, URI, NSU
17-22 Missery St, WIU, Montana, ISUr, UNI, USeD
23-25 ISUo, Colgate, ETSU

[GoBlueHens83]

I will freely admit I do not understand the Kennesaw State love from the same folks who trashed NC A&T for the Aggies schedule earlier in the season when it was 40-50 spots tougher than the Owls.

Right now, KSU's toughest game was a 4-point loss to #124 Georgia State. Villanova is rated #122 and AGS has them rated 19th in the FCS.

They have wins against 0-5 Tennessee Tech (#307), 1-3 Alabama State (#355), 1-4 Clark Atlanta (#651), and 1-4 Samford (#191). None of those teams has a D1 win.

Do they deserve to be ranked? I think so and I have them ranked myself. But they have done absolutely nothing to show they are a Top Ten team in my opinion by playing a PFL schedule.

I think it has to do with their strong showing in the playoffs last year. They finished high in the polls last year, which caused them to start high this year and hang around.

[Cocky]

Because your opponent suck doesnt mean you do.
The negative to a weak schedule is discovering your weaknesses. If your never challenged your never able to work out the kinks until its too late.
We are living proof of the disadvantages of a weak schedule, the playoffs are a terrible time to be exposed. Most playoff teams are strong enough for you to pay the ultimate price.

[Daytripper]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Rhode Island Rams
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Western Illinois Leathernecks
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Missouri State Bears

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Tennessee State Tigers

[dustinthorn93]

I'm not a voter, but this is what I had for this week...

1. North Dakota State Bison
2. James Madison Dukes
3. Eastern Washington Eagles
4. South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5. Kennesaw State Owls
6. Weber State Wildcats
7. Elon Phoenix
8. UC Davis Aggies
9. Wofford Terriers
10. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11. McNeese State Cowboys
12. Illinois State Redbirds
13. Montana Grizzlies
14. Nicholls State Colonels
15. Stony Brook SeaWolves
16. Towson Tigers
17. North Carolina A&T Aggies
18. East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19. Northern Iowa Panthers
20. Missouri State Bears
21. Idaho State Bengals
22. Colgate Raiders
23. Chattanooga Mocs
24. Rhode Island Rams
25. Campbell Camels

[wapiti]

Zipcode, as in, distance between the two teams. If someone wants to rank them higher, I'd like to know why since WIU has the H-H match-up in their back pocket and both teams look on par to each other.

How can Montana be 14 and WIU be 24? That needs some explaining.

Well then. Why is MSU 31 and WIU 24. MSU beat WIU. Point is there is more than the H to H to look at.

Griz do have some other good wins under there belt. Such as UNI and Sac State.
The Griz's other Ws were against weak opponents and their next couple of games will be against weak opponents.

But many pollesters don't seem to care how weak an opponent is, you get rewarded for W's.

[GoBlueHens83]

I'm not a voter, but this is what I had for this week...

1. North Dakota State Bison
2. James Madison Dukes
3. Eastern Washington Eagles
4. South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5. Kennesaw State Owls
6. Weber State Wildcats
7. Elon Phoenix
8. UC Davis Aggies
9. Wofford Terriers
10. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11. McNeese State Cowboys
12. Illinois State Redbirds
13. Montana Grizzlies
14. Nicholls State Colonels
15. Stony Brook SeaWolves
16. Towson Tigers
17. North Carolina A&T Aggies
18. East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19. Northern Iowa Panthers
20. Missouri State Bears
21. Idaho State Bengals
22. Colgate Raiders
23. Chattanooga Mocs
24. Rhode Island Rams
25. Campbell Camels

Was it the win over Chowan or Shaw that impressed you the most?

[Professor Chaos]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Rhode Island Rams
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Western Illinois Leathernecks
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Missouri State Bears

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Tennessee State Tigers
No Towson? They have a win over your #14 team, a dominating win over the team that beat your #17 team, and a convincing win over a team that took your #8 team to the wire.

[PantherRob82]

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018 19:36:35

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Towson Tigers
7: Rhode Island Rams
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Nicholls State Colonels
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Kennesaw State Owls
18: Montana State Bobcats
19: Colgate Raiders
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Harvard Crimson
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Maine Black Bears
25: South Dakota Coyotes

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[dbackjon]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Rhode Island Rams
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Western Illinois Leathernecks
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Missouri State Bears

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Tennessee State Tigers
6 of top 14 from CAA?

[WileECoyote06]

I will freely admit I do not understand the Kennesaw State love from the same folks who trashed NC A&T for the Aggies schedule earlier in the season when it was 40-50 spots tougher than the Owls.

Right now, KSU's toughest game was a 4-point loss to #124 Georgia State. Villanova is rated #122 and AGS has them rated 19th in the FCS.

They have wins against 0-5 Tennessee Tech (#307), 1-3 Alabama State (#355), 1-4 Clark Atlanta (#651), and 1-4 Samford (#191). None of those teams has a D1 win.

Do they deserve to be ranked? I think so and I have them ranked myself. But they have done absolutely nothing to show they are a Top Ten team in my opinion by playing a PFL schedule.
Agreed.

[Twentysix]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Rhode Island Rams
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Western Illinois Leathernecks
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Missouri State Bears

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Tennessee State Tigers

Villanova and Maine are kind of high, no?

[dbackjon]

Was it the win over Chowan or Shaw that impressed you the most?

I looked at Campbell, then saw their schedule and moved them off my watch list

[Sammy94]

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Elon Phoenix
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: UC Davis Aggies
15: Towson Tigers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Sam Houston State Bearkats
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Central Arkansas Bears

Sammy94

The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears

[dbackjon]

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018 19:36:35

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Towson Tigers
7: Rhode Island Rams
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Nicholls State Colonels
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Kennesaw State Owls
18: Montana State Bobcats
19: Colgate Raiders
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Harvard Crimson
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Maine Black Bears
25: South Dakota Coyotes

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Nevermind!!

[dewey]

Here is my top 25 poll. Critique away.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018 21:29:51

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Towson Tigers
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: Missouri State Bears
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Colgate Raiders
24: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25: Chattanooga Mocs

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Illinois State Redbirds
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[Professor Chaos]

Towson 45 @Villanova 35.

Towson should be in Nova's place
xconfusedx He's got Towson at #6 and Nova at #20.

[dbackjon]

xconfusedx He's got Towson at #6 and Nova at #20.


Oops Missed that. Withdrawn :)

[ksu_owls]

I will freely admit I do not understand the Kennesaw State love from the same folks who trashed NC A&T for the Aggies schedule earlier in the season when it was 40-50 spots tougher than the Owls.

Right now, KSU's toughest game was a 4-point loss to #124 Georgia State. Villanova is rated #122 and AGS has them rated 19th in the FCS.

They have wins against 0-5 Tennessee Tech (#307), 1-3 Alabama State (#355), 1-4 Clark Atlanta (#651), and 1-4 Samford (#191). None of those teams has a D1 win.

Do they deserve to be ranked? I think so and I have them ranked myself. But they have done absolutely nothing to show they are a Top Ten team in my opinion by playing a PFL schedule.

Look, I know we aren't #3 in the Nation, as the Coach's Poll suggests, but I think we fit comfortably within the Top 10. I really hope we work on strengthening our schedule because I want us to be a top caliber team that plays top caliber teams and not just during the playoffs. I think our attempt to strengthen our schedule was to have an FBS game (we blew that one pretty hard), Samford, and JSU as part of our non conference schedule, but we certainly didn't know that wouldn't be very impressive in 2018. It's not our fault that Chuck South and Monmonth suck so bad... they were suppose to be good conference rivals. But as far as this year's team goes, we held a (potentially) potent Samford offense to 3 points for the first 58 minutes of the game-- that's kind of impressive even though they suck, right? I think Samford is a talented team in a bad place right now, but I do believe they have some quality wins left on their schedule. I don't know what to think of JSU other than they're never as good as they think they are. I want to be a realistic fan unlike the UGA and JSU crowd, so I admit we are too highly ranked but I also think we are Top 10 material.

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018 9:32:07

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: North Carolina A&T Aggies
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Towson Tigers
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Missouri State Bears
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats
25: Central Arkansas Bears

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

I have Nicholls over McNeese due to the SOS, and the fact that McNeese has limped past both Northern Colorado, who is now 0-5 and SFA, who is now 1-3. I also dropped Idaho State in there, I think the win against UND at UND looks like a pretty good win. I have UND just outside my top 25. Unfortunately, SHSU has a pretty good chance of winning out given their POS schedule and will probably crack the top 25 so I figured I would pull the band-aid now.

[McCowboys]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018 9:32:07

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: North Carolina A&T Aggies
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Towson Tigers
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Missouri State Bears
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats
25: Central Arkansas Bears

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

I have Nicholls over McNeese due to the SOS, and the fact that McNeese has limped past both Northern Colorado, who is now 0-5 and SFA, who is now 1-3. I also dropped Idaho State in there, I think the win against UND at UND looks like a pretty good win. I have UND just outside my top 25. Unfortunately, SHSU has a pretty good chance of winning out given their POS schedule and will probably crack the top 25 so I figured I would pull the band-aid now.

I will not disagree with you on McNeese's recent performances. Our offense is struggling. However, it does not change the fact that the Cowboys beat Nicholls head-to-head. Until the last six seconds of that game, the score was 20-3 McNeese. Nicholls scored a TD with its starters still in the game. McNeese beat a team that then beat Sam Houston State and routed Lamar.

Last season at Nicholls, McNeese beat Nicholls in every stat imaginable, but lost on a last second field goal. Though it was the very first game of the year, that loss haunted McNeese for the rest of the season and probably cost them a playoff spot even though they finished 9-2.

For some reason, you criticize those who put Villanova over Towson because Towson beat Nova, but don't have the same problem when it comes to McNeese-Nicholls. That is fine. That is your prerogative, and you have stated your reasons.

I am not sure how good McNeese is. So far against FCS competition the Cowboys have done just enough to win. Playing to the level of the competition? I did not put them in my top 10, but hope they are somewhere in the middle of the rankings. UCA will be on our schedule in a couple of weeks, but they have now lost their starting QB. Two tough road games in a row over in-state rivals follows the matchup with UCA. We may really not know how good/bad we are unless we make the playoffs and face a good team.

[caribbeanhen]

I will freely admit I do not understand the Kennesaw State love from the same folks who trashed NC A&T for the Aggies schedule earlier in the season when it was 40-50 spots tougher than the Owls.

Right now, KSU's toughest game was a 4-point loss to #124 Georgia State. Villanova is rated #122 and AGS has them rated 19th in the FCS.

They have wins against 0-5 Tennessee Tech (#307), 1-3 Alabama State (#355), 1-4 Clark Atlanta (#651), and 1-4 Samford (#191). None of those teams has a D1 win.

Do they deserve to be ranked? I think so and I have them ranked myself. But they have done absolutely nothing to show they are a Top Ten team in my opinion by playing a PFL schedule.

totally agree with you on Kennesaw and had this to say last week about it

Re: AGS Poll Results - WEEK 4 POLL - 2018 SEASON

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ElCid http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2679433#post2679433)
I can't believe people are still voting for # 37-40. Too funny. Must be homer votes.





Kennesaw is stil getting blind love like the new girl that moved into town that you saw on the first day of Jr High school

[POD Knows]

I will not disagree with you on McNeese's recent performances. Our offense is struggling. However, it does not change the fact that the Cowboys beat Nicholls head-to-head. Until the last six seconds of that game, the score was 20-3 McNeese. Nicholls scored a TD with its starters still in the game. McNeese beat a team that then beat Sam Houston State and routed Lamar.

Last season at Nicholls, McNeese beat Nicholls in every stat imaginable, but lost on a last second field goal. Though it was the very first game of the year, that loss haunted McNeese for the rest of the season and probably cost them a playoff spot even though they finished 9-2.

For some reason, you criticize those who put Villanova over Towson because Towson beat Nova, but don't have the same problem when it comes to McNeese-Nicholls. That is fine. That is your prerogative, and you have stated your reasons.

I am not sure how good McNeese is. So far against FCS competition the Cowboys have done just enough to win. Playing to the level of the competition? I did not put them in my top 10, but hope they are somewhere in the middle of the rankings. UCA will be on our schedule in a couple of weeks, but they have now lost their starting QB. Two tough road games in a row over in-state rivals follows the matchup with UCA. We may really not know how good/bad we are unless we make the playoffs and face a good team.I wasn't really being critical of people putting Villanova over Towson, hell, I did it in error. I was just using that as a point to make when people get tunnel vision on the H to H match ups. They are important but not the entire world when it comes to polling. I just haven't been real impressed with the McNeese victories, with the exception of the Nicholls one, both NoCo and SFA are train wrecks and they played McNeese pretty tough. UND curb stomped NoCo at NoCo this past weekend. I have them pretty close in my poll, all of those teams at 15 to 25 are kind of bunched up.

[McCowboys]

I wasn't really being critical of people putting Villanova over Towson, hell, I did it in error. I was just using that as a point to make when people get tunnel vision on the H to H match ups. They are important but not the entire world when it comes to polling. I just haven't been real impressed with the McNeese victories, with the exception of the Nicholls one, both NoCo and SFA are train wrecks and they played McNeese pretty tough. UND curb stomped NoCo at NoCo this past weekend. I have them pretty close in my poll, all of those teams at 15 to 25 are kind of bunched up.

The Northern Colorado game was the first game of the year and played in a high altitude that McNeese apparently had troubles with late in the game. However, the most important thing to know is the starting quarterback for Northern Colorado in that game was injured a couple of games later. They may be playing their second or third string quarterback by now. UND beat Sam Houston. UND is not a horrible team.

SFA lost badly to UIW, but their QB was also injured very early in that game. He was back for McNeese. SFA faces Sam Houston this week, so we can get a better read on both of those teams.

I still think you are being hypocritical in discounting an impressive win over a Nicholls team that you have rated higher than McNeese.

[Prime Power]

I will freely admit I do not understand the Kennesaw State love from the same folks who trashed NC A&T for the Aggies schedule earlier in the season when it was 40-50 spots tougher than the Owls.

Right now, KSU's toughest game was a 4-point loss to #124 Georgia State. Villanova is rated #122 and AGS has them rated 19th in the FCS.

They have wins against 0-5 Tennessee Tech (#307), 1-3 Alabama State (#355), 1-4 Clark Atlanta (#651), and 1-4 Samford (#191). None of those teams has a D1 win.

Do they deserve to be ranked? I think so and I have them ranked myself. But they have done absolutely nothing to show they are a Top Ten team in my opinion by playing a PFL schedule.

I will freely admit that I don't understand the Kennesaw State hate when they have beat the crap out of who is on their schedule, except for an FBS team. Who should be higher than them right now? Who has 6-10 beaten that is so impressive?.....If you ask me they have done the same as a couple teams in fron of them have. JMU, SDSU have kicked the crap out of bad teams and each has a loss to a good team. EWU has a loss to an FBS. Just my opinion that they deserve to be up there until proven otherwise with how they played last year and most of their team back.

[POD Knows]

The Northern Colorado game was the first game of the year and played in a high altitude that McNeese apparently had troubles with late in the game. However, the most important thing to know is the starting quarterback for Northern Colorado in that game was injured a couple of games later. They may be playing their second or third string quarterback by now. UND beat Sam Houston. UND is not a horrible team.

SFA lost badly to UIW, but their QB was also injured very early in that game. He was back for McNeese. SFA faces Sam Houston this week, so we can get a better read on both of those teams.

I still think you are being hypocritical in discounting an impressive win over a Nicholls team that you have rated higher than McNeese.Get over it, also, I am not the only one that did this, move on. Quit making excuses for your ****ty wins over ****ty teams.

[kdinva]

I think it has to do with their strong showing in the playoffs last year. They finished high in the polls last year, which caused them to start high this year and hang around.

....which is what D-1 hoops and FBS football voters have been doing for 40 years.........that's why I wish no more preseason voting......let FB play 4, maybe 5 games, and D1 hoops play 10-11 games before the first poll..

[McCowboys]

Get over it, also, I am not the only one that did this, move on. Quit making excuses for your ****ty wins over ****ty teams.

Please do not tell me what to do. What you call excuses are facts. I still find you hypocritical. You are also dramatic as when I questioned you before you screamed how I had attacked you. Grow up.

[kdinva]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: Elon Phoenix
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Missouri State Bears
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Towson Tigers



The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats

[POD Knows]

Please do not tell me what to do. What you call excuses are facts. I still find you hypocritical. You are also dramatic as when I questioned you before you screamed how I had attacked you. Grow up. BTW, why are you stalking me on this, I wasn't the only one that had Nicholls ahead of you guys, there were a handful last week that did, go bug them for a while. Something tells me that your obsession with my poll is not necessarily just "polling" related, am I right????

[Professor Chaos]

....which is what D-1 hoops and FBS football voters have been doing for 40 years.........that's why I wish no more preseason voting......let FB play 4, maybe 5 games, and D1 hoops play 10-11 games before the first poll..
I don't think it would make a difference. Whether the first released poll is in the preseason, week 5, or week 8 it's still going to be rough around the edges. Getting ballots out there and having the discussion now about who deserves to be ranked where pays dividends down the road IMO. I'd wager our week 5 consensus poll looks a lot better right now than it would had we not done a poll in the preseason through week 4.

[McCowboys]

BTW, why are you stalking me on this, I wasn't the only one that had Nicholls ahead of you guys, there were a handful last week that did, go bug them for a while. Something tells me that your obsession with my poll is not necessarily just "polling" related, am I right????

You are the only one who made a big deal of it. That is why.
Stalking you? LOL!
Apparently I gave you the wrong impression. You think I'm coming on to you? If so, you are really are a bad off sicko.
I will, from this point forward in time, completely ignore you. Are there ways to block people on here?

[caribbeanhen]

bolded teams favored in head to head vs Kennewaw State






Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2374
94
1


2
James Madison Dukes
2280
1
2


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2108

3


4
Eastern Washington Eagles
2084

4


5
Kennesaw State Owls
1939

5


6
Weber State Wildcats
1858

7


7
Wofford Terriers
1666

8


8
Elon Phoenix
1660

10


9
UC Davis Aggies
1381

13


10
McNeese State Cowboys
1368

12


11
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1341

11


12
Stony Brook Seawolves
1275

18


13
Illinois State Redbirds
1108

6


14
Montana Grizzlies
990

19


15
Nicholls State Colonels
977

17


16
North Carolina A&T Aggies
883

16


17
Rhode Island Rams
881

20


18
Towson Tigers
727

23


19
Villanova Wildcats
576

14


20
Northern Iowa Panthers
545

22


21
Maine Black Bears
481

9


22
Colgate Raiders
405

26


23
Missouri State Bears
396

34


24
Western Illinois Leathernecks
363

25


25
Central Arkansas Bears
313

15

















ORV:





26
South Dakota Coyotes
153

27


27
Princeton Tigers
134

30


28
Chattanooga Mocs
133

21


29
Sam Houston State Bearkats
132

29


30
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
104

NR


31
Montana State Bobcats
93

24


32T
Idaho State Bengals
37

NR


32T
Sac State Hornets
37

33


34
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21

37


35
Yale Bulldogs
20

NR


36
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17

36


37
Dartmouth Big Green
7

NR


38
Harvard Crimson
4

32


39
Western Carolina Catamounts
3

31


40
Tennessee State Tigers
1

NR

[I Bleed Purple]

Polls are an interesting thing. Weber State is, in my opinion, no where near as good as they were at this time last year, yet it took the performance of last year's team to get recognition enough for this team to be ranked where it currently is. I feel their current ranking is more an indication of last year's team than it is this year's.

[caribbeanhen]

Polls are an interesting thing. Weber State is, in my opinion, no where near as good as they were at this time last year, yet it took the performance of last year's team to get recognition enough for this team to be ranked where it currently is. I feel their current ranking is more an indication of last year's team than it is this year's.

all true Sir! I admit I'm guilty of all you said

[ksu_owls]

bolded teams favored in head to head vs Kennewaw State

lol come on man... we have a pretty good record against the spread. Who cares about being favored. We are Top 10 because more times than not we have found ways to win games we weren't suppose to. We proved we were decent in the playoffs last year and I think we have improved since then. We know we have a long ways to go but I bet we'd beat more of those teams than you're willing to admit.

[clenz]

I would guess the UNI win is looking better and better in the eyes of the voters.
I'm going to doubt that.

One thing I've learned over the last decade is that any chance the majority of voters have to downplay anything UNI related they will. It's strange to me.

If the UNI win was "looking better" UNI would have seen more of a bump after 2 straight shut out wins - even if against lower level competition.

I don't think UNI should be ranked higher by any stretch, but as I said in the UNI/ISUb game thread

If UNI could figure out how to play a first quarter it’s a dangerous team. The whole first half against Montana wasn’t great, the first quarter was the difference. Since the end of the first quarter it was 23-10 UNI - 23-0 after half.

Right now UNI hasn’t given up a point in 9 quarters overall and the last 10 against the FCS. The last 10 quarters against the FCS UNI has outscored opponents 100-0, out gained opponents 1,150-510, and since his benching at Montana, Eli Dunne is 50-75 (67%) for 611 yards (200+ ypg and 12+ YPC) - and I've watched the second half of Iowa, the three quarters he played against Hampton and the two and a half he played against Indiana State of those 25 incompletions 10 of them have been drops and a couple more are probably should have been caught balls.

I know it’s been Hampton and Indiana State as 8 of those quarters. But what we saw against Montana in the first half would’ve lost to both of them.

UNI is being harshly judged for 2 quarters against Montana and Iowa - as they should. Every quarter outside of those four total UNI has played really damn well.

UNI certainly isn't getting a "Montana" bump. It almost certainly is still being punished pretty harshly for that 3 point loss.

[Daytripper]

bolded teams favored in head to head vs Kennewaw State





Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2374
94
1


2
James Madison Dukes
2280
1
2


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2108

3


4
Eastern Washington Eagles
2084

4


5
Kennesaw State Owls
1939

5


6
Weber State Wildcats
1858

7


7
Wofford Terriers
1666

8


8
Elon Phoenix
1660

10


9
UC Davis Aggies
1381

13


10
McNeese State Cowboys
1368

12


11
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1341

11


12
Stony Brook Seawolves
1275

18


13
Illinois State Redbirds
1108

6


14
Montana Grizzlies
990

19


15
Nicholls State Colonels
977

17


16
North Carolina A&T Aggies
883

16


17
Rhode Island Rams
881

20


18
Towson Tigers
727

23


19
Villanova Wildcats
576

14


20
Northern Iowa Panthers
545

22


21
Maine Black Bears
481

9


22
Colgate Raiders
405

26


23
Missouri State Bears
396

34


24
Western Illinois Leathernecks
363

25


25
Central Arkansas Bears
313

15

















ORV:





26
South Dakota Coyotes
153

27


27
Princeton Tigers
134

30


28
Chattanooga Mocs
133

21


29
Sam Houston State Bearkats
132

29


30
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
104

NR


31
Montana State Bobcats
93

24


32T
Idaho State Bengals
37

NR


32T
Sac State Hornets
37

33


34
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21

37


35
Yale Bulldogs
20

NR


36
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17

36


37
Dartmouth Big Green
7

NR


38
Harvard Crimson
4

32


39
Western Carolina Catamounts
3

31


40
Tennessee State Tigers
1

NR




Yeah. And we all know the favored team always wins...
https://media2.giphy.com/media/11OW4gEJBs2utO/giphy.gif?cid=3640f6095bb282ea636c47444dcf0c37

[Prime Power]

bolded teams favored in head to head vs Kennewaw State






Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2374
94
1


2
James Madison Dukes
2280
1
2


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2108

3


4
Eastern Washington Eagles
2084

4


5
Kennesaw State Owls
1939

5


6
Weber State Wildcats
1858

7


7
Wofford Terriers
1666

8


8
Elon Phoenix
1660

10


9
UC Davis Aggies
1381

13


10
McNeese State Cowboys
1368

12


11
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1341

11


12
Stony Brook Seawolves
1275

18


13
Illinois State Redbirds
1108

6


14
Montana Grizzlies
990

19


15
Nicholls State Colonels
977

17


16
North Carolina A&T Aggies
883

16


17
Rhode Island Rams
881

20


18
Towson Tigers
727

23


19
Villanova Wildcats
576

14


20
Northern Iowa Panthers
545

22


21
Maine Black Bears
481

9


22
Colgate Raiders
405

26


23
Missouri State Bears
396

34


24
Western Illinois Leathernecks
363

25


25
Central Arkansas Bears
313

15

















ORV:





26
South Dakota Coyotes
153

27


27
Princeton Tigers
134

30


28
Chattanooga Mocs
133

21


29
Sam Houston State Bearkats
132

29


30
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
104

NR


31
Montana State Bobcats
93

24


32T
Idaho State Bengals
37

NR


32T
Sac State Hornets
37

33


34
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21

37


35
Yale Bulldogs
20

NR


36
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17

36


37
Dartmouth Big Green
7

NR


38
Harvard Crimson
4

32


39
Western Carolina Catamounts
3

31


40
Tennessee State Tigers
1

NR



Lol, according to who? Guess I will just swap Princeton and KSU then if you wanna go that route.

[Professor]

I will freely admit I do not understand the Kennesaw State love from the same folks who trashed NC A&T for the Aggies schedule earlier in the season when it was 40-50 spots tougher than the Owls.

Right now, KSU's toughest game was a 4-point loss to #124 Georgia State. Villanova is rated #122 and AGS has them rated 19th in the FCS.

They have wins against 0-5 Tennessee Tech (#307), 1-3 Alabama State (#355), 1-4 Clark Atlanta (#651), and 1-4 Samford (#191). None of those teams has a D1 win.

Do they deserve to be ranked? I think so and I have them ranked myself. But they have done absolutely nothing to show they are a Top Ten team in my opinion by playing a PFL schedule.

Thank you ......

[RootinFerDukes]

Man, folks really must have been waiting a decade to drop SHSU out of the rankings if they beat a top 15 team and don’t even move a single rank in the ORV grouping.

That’s cold lol

[RootinFerDukes]

Can we just start spelling out the ISU’s. Idaho State, Indiana State, Illinois State. It’s not hard.

[POD Knows]

You are the only one who made a big deal of it. That is why.
Stalking you? LOL!
Apparently I gave you the wrong impression. You think I'm coming on to you? If so, you are really are a bad off sicko.
I will, from this point forward in time, completely ignore you. Are there ways to block people on here?There absolutely is a way to block people, that would be great if you put me on ignore.

[RootinFerDukes]

I will freely admit I do not understand the Kennesaw State love from the same folks who trashed NC A&T for the Aggies schedule earlier in the season when it was 40-50 spots tougher than the Owls.

Right now, KSU's toughest game was a 4-point loss to #124 Georgia State. Villanova is rated #122 and AGS has them rated 19th in the FCS.

They have wins against 0-5 Tennessee Tech (#307), 1-3 Alabama State (#355), 1-4 Clark Atlanta (#651), and 1-4 Samford (#191). None of those teams has a D1 win.

Do they deserve to be ranked? I think so and I have them ranked myself. But they have done absolutely nothing to show they are a Top Ten team in my opinion by playing a PFL schedule.

Good points. They were frankly overrated in the off season just because they beat a consistently overrated JSU team and then hung with (sort of) SHSU with Briscoe, who then just got sat on by the bison the next round.

[clenz]

Can we just start spelling out the ISU’s. Idaho State, Indiana State, Illinois State. It’s not hard.
Learn the abbreviations

ISUr
ISUb
ISUo

ISUred
ISUblue
ISUorange

Illinois State
Indiana State
Idaho State

Try living in the state of Iowa where we also get Iowa State

Then there's the four main MSUs

MOSU
MUSU
MCSU
MNSU

Missouri State
Murray State
McNeese Swtate
Montana State

McNeese State tends to just be McNeese
Montana State tends to end up with some variation of Mon

Not that* hard

[ST_Lawson]

Can we just start spelling out the ISU’s. Idaho State, Indiana State, Illinois State. It’s not hard.

Could abbreviate with state abbreviations then SU. I've started doing that with the MVFC's ISU's: INSU and ILSU. We can do IDSU for Idaho State.

[RootinFerDukes]

Polls are an interesting thing. Weber State is, in my opinion, no where near as good as they were at this time last year, yet it took the performance of last year's team to get recognition enough for this team to be ranked where it currently is. I feel their current ranking is more an indication of last year's team than it is this year's.

That and you keep winning?

[RootinFerDukes]

Could abbreviate with state abbreviations then SU. I've started doing that with the MVFC's ISU's: INSU and ILSU. We can do IDSU for Idaho State.

Yes that’s what I usually do. ID, IL, IN, MT, MO, Murray state and just mcneese. No one talks about Murray state anyways haha.

[katss07]

This poll is a massive load of BS. I’ll start with the obvious. According to AGS, UCA was a top 20 team last week and is now ranked 25th. So still in the poll. Meanwhile, Sam is exactly where they were last week after a statement win over who? Those UCA Bears. The fact that they are so close together makes this look stupider. Does H2H not matter anymore? Sam and UCA should be swapped. The Kats went 2-2 against the toughest part of the schedule and are in good position to make a run with their qb situation figured out. I would put my money on Sam against any of the teams ahead of them up until Nova or Towson.

Why is McNeese rewarded for a 7 point win over SFA? And Nicholls moves up after the game they had against Lamar? Come on now. STATS does a better job.

Oh and who which with a pulse has Colgate beaten? And Chatty is behind ETSU why? This poll sucks. POD Knows’ poll seems like the best looking poll here.

[McCowboys]

This poll is a massive load of BS. I’ll start with the obvious. According to AGS, UCA was a top 20 team last week and is now ranked 25th. So still in the poll. Meanwhile, Sam is exactly where they were last week after a statement win over who? Those UCA Bears. The fact that they are so close together makes this look stupider. Does H2H not matter anymore? Sam and UCA should be swapped. The Kats went 2-2 against the toughest part of the schedule and are in good position to make a run with their qb situation figured out. I would put my money on Sam against any of the teams ahead of them up until Nova or Towson.

Why is McNeese rewarded for a 7 point win over SFA? And Nicholls moves up after the game they had against Lamar? Come on now. STATS does a better job.

Oh and who which with a pulse has Colgate beaten? And Chatty is behind ETSU why? This poll sucks. POD Knows’ poll seems like the best looking poll here.

Quote: Does H2H matter anymore? You ask this and then compliment the poll of someone who ignores that -- at least in one case.
I agree with you and have SHSU in my poll. I know the the Bearkats had to sit out a 3-hour weather delay in Thibodaux and that the score was close until the last 4 minutes or so of the game against the ranked Nicholls team.
Also, I know you beat a ranked team in UCA and have apparently found your next QB.
I still have UCA ranked because they went on the road and lost a close game to a team that is difficult to beat and especially in Huntsville, but I have them ranked below the Bearkats due to H2H, just as I have McNeese above Nicholls because of H2H.
To answer your question: Apparently many people do not care much about H2H anymore....

[Prime Power]

I am pretty sure that H2H matters, however if you just go by that, putting a poll together would be impossible.

[semobison]

Hello Semobison,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018 17:37:15

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Elon Phoenix
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Towson Tigers
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Sac State Hornets
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Princeton Tigers

Semobison

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[McCowboys]

I am pretty sure that H2H matters, however if you just go by that, putting a poll together would be impossible.

No question. However, when it is recent conference H2H, that should be a little clearer.
I am sure Bison fans would be livid if someone dared to rank SDSU over your team based on the fact that the Jackrabbits may have played a more difficult schedule than the Bison or the Bison should have beaten SDSU by more, etc.

[cx500d]

The Northern Colorado game was the first game of the year and played in a high altitude that McNeese apparently had troubles with late in the game.


WTF??? 4600' is now high altitude?

[cx500d]

And Chatty is behind ETSU why?
probably because they beat 'em?

[McCowboys]

WTF??? 4600' is now high altitude?

To a team from near sea level it is.
I was watching a Colorado Buffalo football game not too long ago. I cannot tell you how often the difficulty of their opponent playing in a higher altitude was brought up. Even pro teams who play the Denver Broncos have faced difficulty in the Mile High Stadium.

[cx500d]

To a team from near sea level it is.
I was watching a Colorado Buffalo football game not too long ago. I cannot tell you how often the difficulty of their opponent playing in a higher altitude was brought up. Even pro teams who play the Denver Broncos have faced difficulty in the Mile High Stadium.


That must be why WIU lost to Montana State (higher than Greely CO), then.....

[McCowboys]

That must be why WIU lost to Montana State (higher than Greely CO), then.....

If you say so.

[McCowboys]

WTF??? 4600' is now high altitude?

https://sites.psu.edu/siowfa15/2015/10/06/how-does-elevation-affect-sport-performance/

Just like heat and humidity affect cooler weather teams, so does thinner air affect teams from lower altitudes.

[mvemjsunpx]

(last week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. James Madison (3)
3. South Dakota St. (2)
4. Eastern Washington (4)
5. Kennesaw St. (5)
6. Elon (6)
7. Weber St. (7)
8. Stony Brook (16)
9. McNeese St. (8)
10. Nicholls St. (11)
11. North Carolina A&T (12)
12. UC Davis (13)
13. Jacksonville St. (14)
14. Rhode Island (15)
15. Towson (21)
16. Missouri St. (NR)
17. Wofford (18)
18. Illinois St. (17)
19. Princeton (NR)
20. Villanova (10)
21. Idaho St. (NR)
22. Western Illinois (22)
23. Montana (23)
24. Sacramento St. (24)
25. Colgate (25)

W - Missouri St.
L - Maine



Dropped - Maine (9), Tennessee-Chattanooga (19), Central Arkansas (20)

[katss07]

probably because they beat 'em?
Whoops. Slipped up. Wondering why Chatty is IN FRONT of ETSU. My bad.

[Daytripper]

Man, folks really must have been waiting a decade to drop SHSU out of the rankings if they beat a top 15 team and don’t even move a single rank in the ORV grouping.

That’s cold lol

Glad somebody other than us noticed.

[caribbeanhen]

lol come on man... we have a pretty good record against the spread. Who cares about being favored. We are Top 10 because more times than not we have found ways to win games we weren't suppose to. We proved we were decent in the playoffs last year and I think we have improved since then. We know we have a long ways to go but I bet we'd beat more of those teams than you're willing to admit.

I dont have any problems with Kennesaw being in the Top 10, but you are ranked #5 on AGS and #4 in the Stats poll

I like Chandler Banks, kid is a winner and I like watching the TO .....

I just think you are getting too much benifit of the doubt right now....

Massey has you at #22....

Sagarin has you at # 8

All these guys that have you ranked at #4 are the same guys that picked you to beat Sam Houston State last year, I was not one of em

If North Carolina A&T lost to Georgia State the biased crowd would run em out of here.... you guys are safe for now though haha

that weak conference is not going to help you come playoff time either

if you were in the CAA, MVFC or Big Sky you would be in a tough battle to even make the playoffs

[ST_Lawson]

That must be why WIU lost to Montana State (higher than Greely CO), then.....

Better example would be last year. Won at Northern AZ (6,880 feet) one weekend, then won at Coastal Carolina (33 feet) the next. Home is ~700 feet for us. Altitude can affect you, but if you're in shape and prepared, the effect is minimal.


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[ksu_owls]

I dont have any problems with Kennesaw being in the Top 10, but you are ranked #5 on AGS and #4 in the Stats poll

I like Chandler Banks, kid is a winner and I like watching the TO .....

I just think you are getting too much benifit of the doubt right now....

Massey has you at #22....

Sagarin has you at # 8

All these guys that have you ranked at #4 are the same guys that picked you to beat Sam Houston State last year, I was not one of em

If North Carolina A&T lost to Georgia State the biased crowd would run em out of here.... you guys are safe for now though haha

that weak conference is not going to help you come playoff time either

if you were in the CAA, MVFC or Big Sky you would be in a tough battle to even make the playoffs

I can agree with you, actually. I even said "Top 10" with no reference to being #5, #4, or #3. I think we are a better team this year than we were last year, but honestly our road to the quarterfinals wasn't that hard-- not to say 2017 Samford wasn't a good team. In my opinion, I don't know that we have ever faced a Top 10 team other than 2017 SHSU. But, the benefit of the TO, in MOST cases, is that it negates some of the size disadvantages that we deal with on the line. My shred of hope that we are as good as some say is the way teams we've played compliment our discipline, speed, and execution on offense. I wish we were in a better conference because I think that would be a bigger long term benefit to our program, but since we are stuck in the Big South we might as well beat the hell out of those guys and try and make another run in the playoffs.

But respect to your reply.... still not sure about your original post, though lol

[McCowboys]

Better example would be last year. Won at Northern AZ (6,880 feet) one weekend, then won at Coastal Carolina (33 feet) the next. Home is ~700 feet for us. Altitude can affect you, but if you're in shape and prepared, the effect is minimal.


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I can't really say if the high altitude did affect McNeese against UNC. I think our coach just decided to play too conservatively in the second half.
Against BYU, our killer was in the second quarter when BYU scored 24 points off McNeese mistakes. The Cowboys held the Cougars to 6 points in the second half. So apparently the altitude was not much of a factor if any.
I would say heat and humidity in the South in August/September would definitely have an effect on teams. Sam Houston fans could probably tell you a few anecdotes about teams who visited Huntsville on hot, humid days.

[clenz]

I am pretty sure that H2H matters, however if you just go by that, putting a poll together would be impossible.
In theory...just for funs...



I wonder how Kats07 would rank UNI and NDSU if UNI beat NDSU this weekend....in Cedar Falls....

UNI will be 3-2 and NDSU will be 4-1. NDSU has to be ranked higher because they have a better record....but UNI will have the H2H, and that's what matters, so UNI has to be higher, right?

Meaning UNI will have to jump from 20-25 to top 5. Or NDSU damn near falls to out of the poll.

We all know neither of those will happen.

[katss07]

In theory...just for funs...



I wonder how Kats07 would rank UNI and NDSU if UNI beat NDSU this weekend....in Cedar Falls....

UNI will be 3-2 and NDSU will be 4-1. NDSU has to be ranked higher because they have a better record....but UNI will have the H2H, and that's what matters, so UNI has to be higher, right?

Meaning UNI will have to jump from 20-25 to top 5. Or NDSU damn near falls to out of the poll.

We all know neither of those will happen.
I would definitely rank UNI top 15. But I think the obvious answer would be to keep NDSU above the Panthers. However, SDSU wouldn’t be jumping the Bison. H2H does matter, but especially when the teams are closely ranked. I’m seeing some Montana over WIU, UCA over Sam and Nova over Towson, which make little sense to me.

Not so sure the Panthers won’t beat the Bison. Unless you’re sandbagging it, I think UNI has a shot.

[caribbeanhen]

I can agree with you, actually. I even said "Top 10" with no reference to being #5, #4, or #3. I think we are a better team this year than we were last year, but honestly our road to the quarterfinals wasn't that hard-- not to say 2017 Samford wasn't a good team. In my opinion, I don't know that we have ever faced a Top 10 team other than 2017 SHSU. But, the benefit of the TO, in MOST cases, is that it negates some of the size disadvantages that we deal with on the line. My shred of hope that we are as good as some say is the way teams we've played compliment our discipline, speed, and execution on offense. I wish we were in a better conference because I think that would be a bigger long term benefit to our program, but since we are stuck in the Big South we might as well beat the hell out of those guys and try and make another run in the playoffs.

But respect to your reply.... still not sure about your original post, though lol

You just won my vote for most reasonable poster on AGS...... Sky is the limit if you get get into the Southren or CAA..... if that happened you could potentially become the next JMU.....

Go Kennesaw! Semi finals or bust

[clenz]

I would definitely rank UNI top 15. But I think the obvious answer would be to keep NDSU above the Panthers. However, SDSU wouldn’t be jumping the Bison. H2H does matter, but especially when the teams are closely ranked. I’m seeing some Montana over WIU, UCA over Sam and Nova over Towson, which make little sense to me.

Not so sure the Panthers won’t beat the Bison. Unless you’re sandbagging it, I think UNI has a shot.
H2H has to matter for UNI/NDSU. UNI's SOS is years ahead of NDSUs. UNI's only FCS loss is a 3 point loss in Missoula in week 1. Coming into this week UNI hasn't given up a point to an FCS opponent since the second quarter of week 1. Hasn't given up a a point at all in 9 quarters. Outscored FCS opponents 100-0 over the last 10 quarters, out gained FCS opponents more than 2:1 over that time. Add in a victory of NDSU to that and why does UNI have to stay behind NDSU? You're selectively using H2H then.

So using your H2H logic even if SDSU wins by 30 this weekend, and UNI beats NDSU by 15 (just for ****s and gigs) SDSU still can't be ranked a head of NDSU

Meaning

NDSU has to fall behind UNI
SDSU has to fall behind NDSU
UNI moves from the 20s to 15

That means

NDSU falls from #1 to at least #16 for losing to the #15 team on the road

That also means SDSU falls from #3-5 to at best #17 even though they won by 30 and would be 3-1 with an average MOV of 48

All because they lost, in Fargo, by 4.


Good logic.
Real solid

[Sammy94]

Man, folks really must have been waiting a decade to drop SHSU out of the rankings if they beat a top 15 team and don’t even move a single rank in the ORV grouping.

That’s cold lol


Lots of folks have have been waiting.

[Katfan]

Man, folks really must have been waiting a decade to drop SHSU out of the rankings if they beat a top 15 team and don’t even move a single rank in the ORV grouping.

That’s cold lol
They are rating the pre Brock SHSU!

[Katfan]

I can't really say if the high altitude did affect McNeese against UNC. I think our coach just decided to play too conservatively in the second half.
Against BYU, our killer was in the second quarter when BYU scored 24 points off McNeese mistakes. The Cowboys held the Cougars to 6 points in the second half. So apparently the altitude was not much of a factor if any.
I would say heat and humidity in the South in August/September would definitely have an effect on teams. Sam Houston fans could probably tell you a few anecdotes about teams who visited Huntsville on hot, humid days.
The only one I remember was 2004. Montana came to Huntsville and we beat them pretty handily. In the playoffs we had to play them in Montana in a snowstorm and they returned the favor

[grizband]

The only one I remember was 2004. Montana came to Huntsville and we beat them pretty handily. In the playoffs we had to play them in Montana in a snowstorm and they returned the favor
I don't remember snow that day :)

[semobison]

H2H has to matter for UNI/NDSU. UNI's SOS is years ahead of NDSUs. UNI's only FCS loss is a 3 point loss in Missoula in week 1. Coming into this week UNI hasn't given up a point to an FCS opponent since the second quarter of week 1. Hasn't given up a a point at all in 9 quarters. Outscored FCS opponents 100-0 over the last 10 quarters, out gained FCS opponents more than 2:1 over that time. Add in a victory of NDSU to that and why does UNI have to stay behind NDSU? You're selectively using H2H then.

So using your H2H logic even if SDSU wins by 30 this weekend, and UNI beats NDSU by 15 (just for ****s and gigs) SDSU still can't be ranked a head of NDSU

Meaning

NDSU has to fall behind UNI
SDSU has to fall behind NDSU
UNI moves from the 20s to 15

That means

NDSU falls from #1 to at least #16 for losing to the #15 team on the road

That also means SDSU falls from #3-5 to at best #17 even though they won by 30 and would be 3-1 with an average MOV of 48

All because they lost, in Fargo, by 4.


Good logic.
Real solid

When #19 UNI beat #1 NDSU handily in 2014 the Bison dropped to #4 and the Panthers jumped only to #14. The game was later in the season....and that wasn't the AGS poll. The Bison won the Natty that year while UNI lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Obviously, earlier in the season you see more pronounced movement week to week as there are less games to judge a teams overall performance. If UNI wins this week they should easily be top 10 but the Bison should stay in the top 5.

[katss07]

The only one I remember was 2004. Montana came to Huntsville and we beat them pretty handily. In the playoffs we had to play them in Montana in a snowstorm and they returned the favor
How about when EWU came to town?

[Schism55]

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Towson Tigers
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Missouri State Bears

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears

[F'N Hawks]

Interested in how South Dakota is ranked in some polls. Previous year/conference bias?

[semobison]

Interested in how South Dakota is ranked in some polls. Previous year/conference bias?

Not much difference than the stats and coaches poll where they are #27 and #29. Nice try though!

[F'N Hawks]

Not much difference than the stats and coaches poll where they are #27 and #29. Nice try though!

Whatever poll you wanna use, Ace. Honest question.

[semobison]

Whatever poll you wanna use, Ace. Honest question.

I didn't have them in my top 25. They were one of about 9 teams just outside of my top 25 that I would not have been uncomfortable replacing the teams I had from 20-25. It was tough this week. 15 teams for the last six spots.
If the Yotes hadn't lost a late lead against Kansas State they probably would be in most people's top 15. I'm sure their are a lot of voters who give them credit for a close FBS loss. It's early, they will get their chance to move either way.

[semobison]

Whatever poll you wanna use, Ace. Honest question.

And, don't call me Ace!

[Professor Chaos]

This poll is a massive load of BS. I’ll start with the obvious. According to AGS, UCA was a top 20 team last week and is now ranked 25th. So still in the poll. Meanwhile, Sam is exactly where they were last week after a statement win over who? Those UCA Bears. The fact that they are so close together makes this look stupider. Does H2H not matter anymore? Sam and UCA should be swapped. The Kats went 2-2 against the toughest part of the schedule and are in good position to make a run with their qb situation figured out. I would put my money on Sam against any of the teams ahead of them up until Nova or Towson.

Why is McNeese rewarded for a 7 point win over SFA? And Nicholls moves up after the game they had against Lamar? Come on now. STATS does a better job.

Oh and who which with a pulse has Colgate beaten? And Chatty is behind ETSU why? This poll sucks. POD Knows’ poll seems like the best looking poll here.
I'm sure you're outraged that UND is ranked below SHSU then too right?

FWIW both UCA and SHSU are on my watch list but not in my top 25.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Interested in how South Dakota is ranked in some polls. Previous year/conference bias?


What is the problem with them being ranked by some?

Close loss to P5 team. 2-2 overall.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Polls are an interesting thing. Weber State is, in my opinion, no where near as good as they were at this time last year, yet it took the performance of last year's team to get recognition enough for this team to be ranked where it currently is. I feel their current ranking is more an indication of last year's team than it is this year's.

Hello Preferred Walk-On,


We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018 13:58:46


Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles - Saw some discussion about common opponent, margin of victory, starting QB, etc. Didn't see anywhere where it was noted that Eastern Washington got Montana State on the road, but SDSU had them at home. Just thought it should be noted.

4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits - Good showing against NDSU, and we'll see if they can avoid their annual devastating loss.
5: Kennesaw State Owls - See argument for Weber State in quote above, but also note that this logic has been used for other teams in this poll, so... Besides, still infatuated with girl next door (just like last week), until she has an FCS loss.
6: Elon Phoenix - Riding preseason coat-tails, until they ain't.
7: Wofford Terriers - See Elon above.
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks - Tough first game loss, but have looked pretty tough since.
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Weber State Wildcats - See quote and Kennesaw State explanation above.
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Rhode Island Rams
15: Illinois State Redbirds - Although I cannot rank Missouri State above Illinois State, dropped Illinois State dramatically and ranked Missouri State #23 (8 spots different between the teams).
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Montana State Bobcats - Again, same argument as last week: Montana State beat Western Illinois, who beat Montana, who beat Northern Iowa. Montana's win over Cal Poly and Montana State's loss to Eastern Washington does nothing to move this needle.

18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Towson Tigers - Towson over Citadel and Villanova losing to Stony Brook (along with Towson over Villanova) finally results in Towson positioned over Villanova (I admit that perhaps this should have happened earlier, but this week's results solidified this for me).
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: Missouri State Bears - Wow. Great to see the improvement so far. Nice win.
24: Colgate Raiders
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats - I know people like to $%*^ on the Bearkats, but they did beat a previously ranked (pretty high) Central Arkansas. I understand QB got injured, but still a win over a ranked team. Will they stay in my top 25? If they continue winning (remaining schedule appears weak and no McNeese State), probably, but a loss would not bode well.


Preferred Walk-On


The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[McNeese72]

Please do not tell me what to do. What you call excuses are facts. I still find you hypocritical. You are also dramatic as when I questioned you before you screamed how I had attacked you. Grow up.

Give it up, Ray. We suck!! We will be lucky to win another game this season. Our win over Nicholls was just blind luck.

I do think SFA is getting it together now, especially on defense. The have some talent and maybe they are getting over their coaching change turmoil.

But, we suck!!

Edit: I think the SFA/Sam Houston game this weekend might be a lot more interesting than some people think.

Doc

[Daytripper]

Give it up, Ray. We suck!! We will be lucky to win another game this season. Our win over Nicholls was just blind luck.

I do think SFA is getting it together now, especially on defense. The have some talent and maybe they are getting over their coaching change turmoil.

But, we suck!!

Edit: I think the SFA/Sam Houston game this weekend might be a lot more interesting than some people think.

Doc

I agree. The Battle will be more competitive than usual.

[ST_Lawson]

I don't remember snow that day :)

You'll have to forgive the people from down south, they sometimes confuse 50s and windy with a "blizzard".
According to Weather Underground, that was the weather in Missoula that day: https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/mt/missoula/KMTMISSO8/date/2004-12-11
Noon kickoff...weather would have been ~52-53ish and cloudy with a bit of wind.

That's like that video from FAMU back in '98...they played at WIU. The guy on the video remembers it as the "coldest game he'd ever played in". Weather that day...sunny and low 60's...only a few degrees off a record high for that date in early December. I wore a light jacket but took it off by halftime.

[McCowboys]

You'll have to forgive the people from down south, they sometimes confuse 50s and windy with a "blizzard".
According to Weather Underground, that was the weather in Missoula that day: https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/mt/missoula/KMTMISSO8/date/2004-12-11
Noon kickoff...weather would have been ~52-53ish and cloudy with a bit of wind.

That's like that video from FAMU back in '98...they played at WIU. The guy on the video remembers it as the "coldest game he'd ever played in". Weather that day...sunny and low 60's...only a few degrees off a record high for that date in early December. I wore a light jacket but took it off by halftime.

McNeese did also have a playoff game at Western Illinois. Check the weather conditions for that game. I don't know if it was snowing, but one of my buddies who has gone to every McNeese game home and away for years and years says that was the coldest game he's every been to -- maybe because of wind chill factor -- even colder than our playoff game in Missoula when it really had snowed.

I seem to remember Sam Houston fans saying that one team didn't deal with the heat too well and there were a couple of their players who lost their lunch on the sidelines.

[Katfan]

McNeese did also have a playoff game at Western Illinois. Check the weather conditions for that game. I don't know if it was snowing, but one of my buddies who has gone to every McNeese game home and away for years and years says that was the coldest game he's every been to -- maybe because of wind chill factor -- even colder than our playoff game in Missoula when it really had snowed.

I seem to remember Sam Houston fans saying that one team didn't deal with the heat too well and there were a couple of their players who lost their lunch on the sidelines.
We played a couple playoff games in Montana i still think one was in the snow. Maybe not 2004. But I’m pretty sure in 04 we beat them pretty good in Huntsville and they beat us pretty well in Missoula.

[ST_Lawson]

McNeese did also have a playoff game at Western Illinois. Check the weather conditions for that game. I don't know if it was snowing, but one of my buddies who has gone to every McNeese game home and away for years and years says that was the coldest game he's every been to -- maybe because of wind chill factor -- even colder than our playoff game in Missoula when it really had snowed.

I seem to remember Sam Houston fans saying that one team didn't deal with the heat too well and there were a couple of their players who lost their lunch on the sidelines.

I'll give that one a check...according to our record books, December 6, 1997 (you guys won 14-12, quarterfinals matchup, #6 McNeese State at #2 Western Illinois). Data is a bit sparse for our local weather station for that date, but in Galesburg (about 30 miles north...roughly the same weather, maybe 1 or 2 degrees cooler at the most) had a high of 28 that day, average of 26 and it looks like a little bit of wind (max speed of 17 mph). I'll definitely give you that one. I've sat through a couple of games colder than that (most recently, SDSU in 2015...about the same temp, 20+ mph winds, and the sun was down for the last 2 hours of the game + 2 OTs)...but not many, and none were very pleasant to be at.

I know that the Dakota and Montana people have stories of colder games (no, we don't need to see the video of that Augustana blizzard game again)...but the McNeese State game was about 10 degrees colder than our "average" for that date (average high of 37, average low of 21). Games like that make us all wish we had indoor stadiums.

[grizband]

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2018 9:48:12

Your vote is listed below.*

1:*North Dakota State Bison
2:*James Madison Dukes
3:*Eastern Washington Eagles
4:*South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5:*Kennesaw State Owls
6:*Wofford Terriers
7:*Weber State Wildcats
8:*UC Davis Aggies
9:*Elon Phoenix
10:*McNeese State Cowboys
11:*Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12:*Stony Brook Seawolves
13:*North Carolina A&T Aggies
14:*Rhode Island Rams
15:*Montana Grizzlies
16:*Northern Iowa Panthers
17:*Towson Tigers
18:*Villanova Wildcats
19:*Nicholls State Colonels
20:*Colgate Raiders
21:*Missouri State Bears
22:*Princeton Tigers
23:*Western Illinois Leathernecks
24:*East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25:*Central Arkansas Bears

grizband*

The Most Significant Win:*North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss:*Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?:*Big Sky Conference

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[cx500d]

I don't remember snow that day :)


It's a matter of perspective. In south Texas, a light frost could be considered a snowstorm

[cx500d]

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2018 9:48:12

Your vote is listed below.*

1:*North Dakota State Bison
2:*James Madison Dukes
3:*Eastern Washington Eagles
4:*South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5:*Kennesaw State Owls
6:*Wofford Terriers
7:*Weber State Wildcats
8:*UC Davis Aggies
9:*Elon Phoenix
10:*McNeese State Cowboys
11:*Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12:*Stony Brook Seawolves
13:*North Carolina A&T Aggies
14:*Rhode Island Rams
15:*Montana Grizzlies
16:*Northern Iowa Panthers
17:*Towson Tigers
18:*Villanova Wildcats
19:*Nicholls State Colonels
20:*Colgate Raiders
21:*Missouri State Bears
22:*Princeton Tigers
23:*Western Illinois Leathernecks
24:*East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25:*Central Arkansas Bears

grizband*

The Most Significant Win:*North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss:*Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?:*Big Sky Conference

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Illinois State right out the window, huh?

[World]

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2018 9:48:12

Your vote is listed below.*

1:*North Dakota State Bison
2:*James Madison Dukes
3:*Eastern Washington Eagles
4:*South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5:*Kennesaw State Owls
6:*Wofford Terriers
7:*Weber State Wildcats
8:*UC Davis Aggies
9:*Elon Phoenix
10:*McNeese State Cowboys
11:*Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12:*Stony Brook Seawolves
13:*North Carolina A&T Aggies
14:*Rhode Island Rams
15:*Montana Grizzlies
16:*Northern Iowa Panthers
17:*Towson Tigers
18:*Villanova Wildcats
19:*Nicholls State Colonels
20:*Colgate Raiders
21:*Missouri State Bears
22:*Princeton Tigers
23:*Western Illinois Leathernecks
24:*East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25:*Central Arkansas Bears

grizband*

The Most Significant Win:*North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss:*Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?:*Big Sky Conference

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Well, there you go

give the guy a cigar

for some reason this feels like the best FCS poll of the day!

[Bison56]

Well, there you go

give the guy a cigar

for some reason this feels like the best FCS poll of the day!

You need better bait.

[MR. CHICKEN]

WHAA IS MAINE....MOST SIGNIFICAN LOSS...xdontknowx........AS CHOSEN BAH MANY HERE........AH HAD ILLINOIS STATE....#6 IN POLL AT TIME....vs.....#9......AWK!

[Professor Chaos]

You need better bait.
I think it's funny how he comments on that being "the best poll of the day" when two ballots posted earlier in the thread have Princeton in the top 20. I guess he feels like they haven't done enough to prove they belong higher than #22. xrolleyesx


WHAA IS MAINE....MOST SIGNIFICAN LOSS...xdontknowx........AS CHOSEN BAH MANY HERE........AH HAD ILLINOIS STATE....#6 IN POLL AT TIME....vs.....#9......AWK!
For me it was because Maine got rolled and by a worse team than Illinois St lost to IMO. That was the one game this week that gave me a "holy ****" moment when I saw the score.

[Preferred Walk-On]

WHAA IS MAINE....MOST SIGNIFICAN LOSS...xdontknowx........AS CHOSEN BAH MANY HERE........AH HAD ILLINOIS STATE....#6 IN POLL AT TIME....vs.....#9......AWK!

Does one get credit if they had the Illinois State game as the game with the most significant win? Wonder how many choose the SAME GAME for both the most significant win AND loss. This potentially explains why Maine made most significant loss, as members probably had a more difficult time picking Yale as the most significant win.


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[MR. CHICKEN]

I think it's funny how he comments on that being "the best poll of the day" when two ballots posted earlier in the thread have Princeton in the top 20. I guess he feels like they haven't done enough to prove they belong higher than #22. xrolleyesx


For me it was because Maine got rolled and by a worse team than Illinois St lost to IMO. That was the one game this week that gave me a "holy ****" moment when I saw the score.

.....NOT KNOCKIN' YER REASONIN'..........BUT YALE WAS PICKED 1st IN IVY........MIZZ-STATE.....9th IN MVFC.....MAH REASONIN'.........AWK!

[POD Knows]

.....NOT KNOCKIN' YER REASONIN'..........BUT YALE WAS PICKED 1st IN IVY.........MIZZ-STATE.....9th IN MVFC.....MAH REASONIN'.........AWK!First in the Ivy would be 10th in the MVFC, that is why I picked the Maine loss but it was close for me. Also, it never really surprises me when ISUr takes a dump.

[semobison]

I think it's funny how he comments on that being "the best poll of the day" when two ballots posted earlier in the thread have Princeton in the top 20. I guess he feels like they haven't done enough to prove they belong higher than #22. xrolleyesx


For me it was because Maine got rolled and by a worse team than Illinois St lost to IMO. That was the one game this week that gave me a "holy ****" moment when I saw the score.

Yep and @ Missouri State for some reason is never an easy game.

[Preferred Walk-On]

.....NOT KNOCKIN' YER REASONIN'..........BUT YALE WAS PICKED 1st IN IVY........MIZZ-STATE.....9th IN MVFC.....MAH REASONIN'.........AWK!

Hence Missouri State as most significant win. BTW, there were two members that posted their polls with the same game for most significant win/loss...one Stony Brook/Villanova and one Missouri State/Illinois State. Sure I'll catch hell for this, but loss dropped Maine (barely), but not Illinois State, out of my poll (which I posted), hence the most significant loss for me (I know, I know, this is a circular argument). With previous post, simply trying to explain why one might choose one loss over the other. Both were quite significant losses though.


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[Derby City Duke]

This is the best I could do this week. I'm sure there is flawed logic at work. Feel free to pick holes. xscanx


Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2018 7:11:16

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Wofford Terriers
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Towson Tigers
21: Sac State Hornets
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: Western Illinois Leathernecks
24: Colgate Raiders
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: Central Arkansas Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[Preferred Walk-On]

First in the Ivy would be 10th in the MVFC, that is why I picked the Maine loss but it was close for me. Also, it never really surprises me when ISUr takes a dump.

Not ready to go this far, but how about this:

Holy Cross (1-4) beat Yale, who beat Maine
Missouri State (3-1; only loss FBS) beat Illinois State, who beat Colorado State (FBS)

By these transitive properties, a #9 ranked Maine getting beat appears worse than #6 Illinois State losing to Missouri State. But I can see the "how can a team drub an FBS squad one week and then get beat by a perennially weak team (though maybe not this year) the next week" as an argument for most significant loss.


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[MR. CHICKEN]

Hence Missouri State as most significant win. BTW, there were two members that posted their polls with the same game for most significant win/loss...one Stony Brook/Villanova and one Missouri State/Illinois State. Sure I'll catch hell for this, but loss dropped Maine (barely), but not Illinois State, out of my poll (which I posted), hence the most significant loss for me (I know, I know, this is a circular argument). With previous post, simply trying to explain why one might choose one loss over the other. Both were quite significant losses though.


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................GUILTY......xnodx......BRAWK!

[POD Knows]

Not ready to go this far, but how about this:

Holy Cross (1-4) beat Yale, who beat Maine
Missouri State (3-1; only loss FBS) beat Illinois State, who beat Colorado State (FBS)

By these transitive properties, a #9 ranked Maine getting beat appears worse than #6 Illinois State losing to Missouri State. But I can see the "how can a team drub an FBS squad one week and then get beat by a perennially weak team (though maybe not this year) the next week" as an argument for most significant loss.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYea, it was really a tie for me, I could have flipped a coin here.

[Professor]

I am pretty sure that H2H matters, however if you just go by that, putting a poll together would be impossible.

Head to Head matters, interesting.

[Sundog]

Just wondering ... would the person who gave their #1 vote to JMU help me understand why? Disclaimer: I am a Bison fan. And I understand your right to remain anonymous in this voting process. Quick aside, I appreciate the efforts those of you who vote put into this poll. It helps greatly with my perspective on the FCS landscape. But seriously, dude (or dudette)... what am I missing here?

[SCPALADIN]

Hello SCPALADIN,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2018 6:20:52

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Elon Phoenix
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Towson Tigers
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Missouri State Bears
24: Colgate Raiders
25: Maine Black Bears

SCPALADIN

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southern Conference

[WileECoyote06]

Head to Head matters, interesting.

As in it makes no logical sense that some folks have A&T in the 20s, but Jacksonville State in the top ten?

They should be at within three spots of each other, at worst.

[Preferred Walk-On]

................GUILTY......xnodx......BRAWK!

I can respect that.

[McCowboys]

Hello McCowboys,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Elon Phoenix
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Towson Tigers
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Villanova Wildcats

McCowboys

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Illinois State Redbirds
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

Note: I added a couple of teams this week after my last week's poll was "critiqued." I put Sam Houston State back in as well. I had ten teams I wanted to put in the last five spots. This was not fun.

[POD Knows]

Hello McCowboys,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Elon Phoenix
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Towson Tigers
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Villanova Wildcats

McCowboys

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Illinois State Redbirds
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

Note: I added a couple of teams this week after my last week's poll was "critiqued." I put Sam Houston State back in as well. I had ten teams I wanted to put in the last five spots. This was not fun.Why do you have Chatty over ETSU, didn't ETSU beat Chatty, also ETSU is ahead of Chatty in the conference. Plus, ETSU was up 17-0 and got conservative in the 4th quarter.

[McCowboys]

Hello McCowboys,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2018

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Elon Phoenix
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Towson Tigers
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Western Illinois Leathernecks
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Villanova Wildcats

McCowboys

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Illinois State Redbirds
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

Note: I added a couple of teams this week after my last week's poll was "critiqued." I put Sam Houston State back in as well. I had ten teams I wanted to put in the last five spots. This was not fun.

Also, after several years as a lurker/poster here on AGS, I put my very first person on IGNORE yesterday.

[Professor Chaos]

As in it makes no logical sense that some folks have A&T in the 20s, but Jacksonville State in the top ten?

They should be at within three spots of each other, at worst.
I have JSU at #11 and NC A&T at #14 so it's not that big of a spread for me personally but I'll explain my reasoning and I'd assume this is the same as folks who have a bigger spread between them. The bottom line is their win over JSU seemed kinda flukish. They were outgained 148 to 403 and they got more yards via JSU penalties (149) than they did via their own offense. So I was pretty skeptical of how good A&T was after that game but that early in the season I respected the head-to-head win and had them ranked higher than JSU even though I wasn't really convinced they were truly better. When they took that loss to Morgan St, which in my eyes is the worst loss of any team in my top 25 to this point, that gave me the backup (or excuse if you want to call it that) to move them below JSU.

[TheKingpin28]

Also, after several years as a lurker/poster here on AGS, I put my very first person on IGNORE yesterday.

358 posts in 12 years is not a "lurker/poster". If anything, you only show up when the team is showing up. He is just giving you a taste of your own medicine by proving a point about Chatty and ETSU and you block him? That's weaksauce. Also, how could put SHSU in over ISUo or GFCC?

[POD Knows]

358 posts in 12 years is not a "lurker/poster". If anything, you only show up when the team is showing up. He is just giving you a taste of your own medicine by proving a point about Chatty and ETSU and you block him? That's weaksauce. Also, how could put SHSU in over ISUo or GFCC?Nah, he blocked me before that I think, he is an ass hat and he is blocking guys because of conversation on a poll, WTF would this guy do on the poli-board. BTW, I think he has a problem with my politics and it is bleeding into here for some reason. Anyway, I thought my ETSU and Chatty analogy was balls on and it is the exact same deal he called me out on. So nana nana boo boo stick your head in dodo. (I stole that from some guy on TV and am using it to reinforce my immaturity)

[dbackjon]

As in it makes no logical sense that some folks have A&T in the 20s, but Jacksonville State in the top ten?

They should be at within three spots of each other, at worst.

I still have A&T top 10 (tenth), JSU 15th. A&T still should be above JSU

[McCowboys]

358 posts in 12 years is not a "lurker/poster". If anything, you only show up when the team is showing up. He is just giving you a taste of your own medicine by proving a point about Chatty and ETSU and you block him? That's weaksauce. Also, how could put SHSU in over ISUo or GFCC?

I would ask you to mind your own business. He is man enough (I think) to speak for himself. He requested that I put him on "ignore" for your information.

I "only show up when the team is showing up." What in Hell does that even mean?

I have posted occasionally, but mostly in the SLC sections -- SLC pick 'ems and such. I have started reading and posting here this year as I am voting in the poll for the first time.

[TheKingpin28]

Nah, he blocked me before that I think, he is an ass hat and he is blocking guys because of conversation on a poll, WTF would this guy do on the poli-board. BTW, I think he has a problem with my politics and it is bleeding into here for some reason. Anyway, I thought my ETSU and Chatty analogy was balls on and it is the exact same deal he called me out on. So nana nana boo boo stick your head in dodo. (I stole that from some guy on TV and am using it to reinforce my immaturity)

The idea that someone could block someone on a Poll Thread about a Poll is comical and pathetic. If he wants to block people instead of being able to defend his poll on here, imagine how this person is in real life.

The last sentence is a Tosh.0 reference.

[TheKingpin28]

I would ask you to mind your own business. He is man enough (I think) to speak for himself. He requested that I put him on "ignore" for your information.

I "only show up when the team is showing up." What in Hell does that even mean?

I have posted occasionally, but mostly in the SLC sections -- SLC pick 'ems and such. I have started reading and posting here this year as I am voting in the poll for the first time.

I'm not even going to start as I know where this will go and I'm not going to force Ursus to come on here for this, but you should grow a pair and be able to take some criticism with your poll if you are going to post it.

It's a nice way of saying "you're a Decembrist who somehow showed up in September".

[McCowboys]

I'm not even going to start as I know where this will go and I'm not going to force Ursus to come on here for this, but you should grow a pair and be able to take some criticism with your poll if you are going to post it.

It's a nice way of saying "you're a Decembrist who somehow showed up in September".

Go back and read this whole thread where he accused me of stalking him. It has nothing to do with someone questioning my poll. That is why I am here to get the opinions of others.
Last week when I questioned him about one of his picks, he accused me of attacking him.
You are taking sides without knowing the whole story.
Thank you for forming opinions of me without knowing me. I will gladly have you join your boyfriend on my ignore list.

[jmuwishyouhadadukedog]

Just wondering ... would the person who gave their #1 vote to JMU help me understand why? Disclaimer: I am a Bison fan. And I understand your right to remain anonymous in this voting process. Quick aside, I appreciate the efforts those of you who vote put into this poll. It helps greatly with my perspective on the FCS landscape. But seriously, dude (or dudette)... what am I missing here?

Disclaimer: I'm not a voter, nor would I put JMU above NDSU in a poll at this point but I make an okay devils advocate.

Lets look at their records:


JMU:

-Lost 24-13 to NC State, #19 in the Sagarin ratings, #23 in the AP Poll, #25 in the coaches poll. No loss is good but JMU was more than respectable against NC State, they were only down 17-13 with 6 minutes to go in the 4th. Not going for it on one or more red zone possessions could have cost us the game but we will never know. I believe if you ask NC State, they would say that we were their best opponent to date (not saying much, as they've played Marshall, Georgia State, UVa)

-Beat Norfolk State, #211 in the Sagarin, 17-0, the game was called after the first quarter due to lightning. I hate to assume but the likely final score of this game would have looked something like 72-0, 68-7 etc. The year before, it was 75-10. A truly bad opponent. They are 3-1 with a win over D2 Virginia State, and wins over awful South Carolina State and a awful Delaware State.

-Beat Robert Morris #242 in the Sagarin, 72-7. Another very bad opponent. Robert Morris is 1-3 with its only win against D2 Virginia State, and has two other losses to bottom feeders Dayton and Bryant. Pulled starters with 9 minutes left in the third.

-Beat William and Mary #206 in the Sagarin, 51-0. Jimmye Laycock's squad's all time worst drubbing from JMU. Not a good opponent. William and Mary only has a victory to Bucknell and has played a tough schedule otherwise, losing big to Virginia Tech, and getting shutout 23-0 by a solid#23 FCS team Colgate. Pulled starters in the first part of the 4th quarter.

-Beat Richmond, #170 in the Sagarin, 63-10. Not a good Spiders team this year. Not awful, but definitely not good. They crushed a bad Fordham team and barely beat an average for the NEC conference team in St. Francis. Pulled starters with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter.


NDSU:

-Beat Cal Poly, #187 in the Sagarin, 49-3. Not a very good team. Cal Poly is 1-4, with a win over Brown (220 in Sagarin) and a respectable loss to Weber State (114 in Sagarin). Looks like NDSU pulled their starting offense around half way through the third quarter).

-Beat North Alabama, #214 in the Sagarin, 38-7. Not a very good team. North Alabama is 2-3 with wins over Jackson State (241 in Sagarin) and Alabama A&M (240 in Sagarin). Looks like NDSU had the starters in with 2 minutes left in the third.

-Beat Delaware, #136 in the Sagarin, 38-10. An okay team? Delaware has wins over Lafayette (237 in Sagarin) and Cornell (197 in Sagarin). It looks like they pulled starters in the second half of the third quarter.

-Beat SDSU, #57 in the Sagarin, 21-17. A very good (albeit close) win to the #3 FCS team in the country. SDSU is rightfully ranked the #3 team in the country in my opinion.



Comparison:

JMU has a 'good loss' to a nationally ranked FBS team
NDSU has a close victory over the #3 FCS team in the country

Otherwise, both teams soundly defeated middling to bad teams. JMU beat their weaker competition by more on average but I'd say NDSU's weak opponents were a little bit better and NDSU pulled starters slightly before JMU did.

Having watched both teams (granted, JMU about twice as much as NDSU), I'd say both look very good and if I had to guess, the spread for this game, were it to be tomorrow, would be very small (like, field goal close).

In my opinion, NDSU's starters (as a whole) are performing slightly better than JMU's starters. I believe JMU has a slight depth advantage over NDSU. Though that depth advantage has been weakened with the dismissal of a starting OL player for JMU (Gerren Butler) and an indefinite suspension of another starting OL player Jahee Jackson before the Richmond game.

Were the two teams to play tomorrow, I think it would be really close, and the final scores the three times these teams have played would all be possible (2017: NDSU winning 17-13, 2016: JMU winning 27-17, or 2011: NDSU winning 26-14, or vice versa for any of those scores)

Both teams have their hardest opponents (NC State and SDSU) past them but the remaining portions of their schedule are more difficult than the rest of their previous opponents.

JMU:

Elon 113 in Sagarin, #10 in Stats poll
Villanova 126 in Sagarin, #19 in Stats Poll
Stony Brook 135 in Sagarin, #13 in Stats Poll
New Hampshire 168 in Sagarin, Unranked
Rhode Island 171 in Sagarin, #18 in Stats Poll
Towson 143 in Sagarin, #23 in Stats Poll

NDSU:

Northern Iowa 76 in Sagarin, Unranked
Western Illinois 133 in Sagarin, #30 in Stats Poll
Illinois State 87 in Sagarin, #15 in Stats Poll
South Dakota 121, #29 in Stats Poll
Youngstown State 140 in Sagarin, Unranked
Missouri State 129 in Sagarin, #24 in Stats Poll
Southern Illinois 144 in Sagarin, Unranked

Who knows where the teams remaining on JMU's and NDSU's schedule will land in the Sagarin ratings or the final poll but it appears currently, JMU has a more highly ranked list of opponents remaining and NDSU has a more challenging remaining schedule according to the Sagarin ratings.

If both teams win out, quite honestly in my mind it will come down to 'style points'. If either team loses a game left on their schedule and the other doesn't, I imagine I would vote for the one that didn't lose.

[POD Knows]

The idea that someone could block someone on a Poll Thread about a Poll is comical and pathetic. If he wants to block people instead of being able to defend his poll on here, imagine how this person is in real life.

The last sentence is a Tosh.0 reference.Yea, he is little off kilter, there were 4 or 5 guys that posted polls that put Nicholls ahead of McNeese, but he was calling me out over it, whatever. xcoffeex I should have used the "elevation" factor and the conservative coach factor in the SFA and NoCo games when assessing those very weak wins. I think McNeese and Nicholls should be pretty close in the polls but I am going to keep Nicholls ahead until somebody makes a move or screws something up. Who knows.

[TheKingpin28]

Go back and read this whole thread where he accused me of stalking him. It has nothing to do with someone questioning my poll. That is why I am here to get the opinions of others.
Last week when I questioned him about one of his picks, he accused me of attacking him.
You are taking sides without knowing the whole story.
Thank you for forming opinions of me without knowing me. I will gladly have you join your boyfriend on my ignore list.

Wow, what a ****ing snowflake. I read the thread and if you have been here since 06, you'd realize how he posts. You should come over to a different board. You'd give LFN a run for his money.

[Twentysix]

Disclaimer: I'm not a voter, nor would I put JMU above NDSU in a poll at this point but I make an okay devils advocate.

Lets look at their records:


JMU:

-Lost 24-13 to NC State, #19 in the Sagarin ratings, #23 in the AP Poll, #25 in the coaches poll. No loss is good but JMU was more than respectable against NC State, they were only down 17-13 with 6 minutes to go in the 4th. Not going for it on one or more red zone possessions could have cost us the game but we will never know. I believe if you ask NC State, they would say that we were their best opponent to date (not saying much, as they've played Marshall, Georgia State, UVa)

-Beat Norfolk State, #211 in the Sagarin, 17-0, the game was called after the first quarter due to lightning. I hate to assume but the likely final score of this game would have looked something like 72-0, 68-7 etc. The year before, it was 75-10. A truly bad opponent. They are 3-1 with a win over D2 Virginia State, and wins over awful South Carolina State and a awful Delaware State.

-Beat Robert Morris #242 in the Sagarin, 72-7. Another very bad opponent. Robert Morris is 1-3 with its only win against D2 Virginia State, and has two other losses to bottom feeders Dayton and Bryant. Pulled starters with 9 minutes left in the third.

-Beat William and Mary #206 in the Sagarin, 51-0. Jimmye Laycock's squad's all time worst drubbing from JMU. Not a good opponent. William and Mary only has a victory to Bucknell and has played a tough schedule otherwise, losing big to Virginia Tech, and getting shutout 23-0 by a solid#23 FCS team Colgate. Pulled starters in the first part of the 4th quarter.

-Beat Richmond, #170 in the Sagarin, 63-10. Not a good Spiders team this year. Not awful, but definitely not good. They crushed a bad Fordham team and barely beat an average for the NEC conference team in St. Francis. Pulled starters with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter.


NDSU:

-Beat Cal Poly, #187 in the Sagarin, 49-3. Not a very good team. Cal Poly is 1-4, with a win over Brown (220 in Sagarin) and a respectable loss to Weber State (114 in Sagarin). Looks like NDSU pulled their starting offense around half way through the third quarter).

-Beat North Alabama, #214 in the Sagarin, 38-7. Not a very good team. North Alabama is 2-3 with wins over Jackson State (241 in Sagarin) and Alabama A&M (240 in Sagarin). Looks like NDSU had the starters in with 2 minutes left in the third.

-Beat Delaware, #136 in the Sagarin, 38-10. An okay team? Delaware has wins over Lafayette (237 in Sagarin) and Cornell (197 in Sagarin). It looks like they pulled starters in the second half of the third quarter.

-Beat SDSU, #57 in the Sagarin, 21-17. A very good (albeit close) win to the #3 FCS team in the country. SDSU is rightfully ranked the #3 team in the country in my opinion.



Comparison:

JMU has a 'good loss' to a nationally ranked FBS team
NDSU has a close victory over the #3 FCS team in the country

Otherwise, both teams soundly defeated middling to bad teams. JMU beat their weaker competition by more on average but I'd say NDSU's weak opponents were a little bit better and NDSU pulled starters slightly before JMU did.

Having watched both teams (granted, JMU about twice as much as NDSU), I'd say both look very good and if I had to guess, the spread for this game, were it to be tomorrow, would be very small (like, field goal close).

In my opinion, NDSU's starters (as a whole) are performing slightly better than JMU's starters. I believe JMU has a slight depth advantage over NDSU. Though that depth advantage has been weakened with the dismissal of a starting OL player for JMU (Gerren Butler) and an indefinite suspension of another starting OL player Jahee Jackson before the Richmond game.

Were the two teams to play tomorrow, I think it would be really close, and the final scores the three times these teams have played would all be possible (2017: NDSU winning 17-13, 2016: JMU winning 27-17, or 2011: NDSU winning 26-14, or vice versa for any of those scores)

Both teams have their hardest opponents (NC State and SDSU) past them but the remaining portions of their schedule are more difficult than the rest of their previous opponents.

JMU:

Elon 113 in Sagarin, #10 in Stats poll
Villanova 126 in Sagarin, #19 in Stats Poll
Stony Brook 135 in Sagarin, #13 in Stats Poll
New Hampshire 168 in Sagarin, Unranked
Rhode Island 171 in Sagarin, #18 in Stats Poll
Towson 143 in Sagarin, #23 in Stats Poll

NDSU:

Northern Iowa 76 in Sagarin, Unranked
Western Illinois 133 in Sagarin, #30 in Stats Poll
Illinois State 87 in Sagarin, #15 in Stats Poll
South Dakota 121, #29 in Stats Poll
Youngstown State 140 in Sagarin, Unranked
Missouri State 129 in Sagarin, #24 in Stats Poll
Southern Illinois 144 in Sagarin, Unranked

Who knows where the teams remaining on JMU's and NDSU's schedule will land in the Sagarin ratings or the final poll but it appears currently, JMU has a more highly ranked list of opponents remaining and NDSU has a more challenging remaining schedule according to the Sagarin ratings.

If both teams win out, quite honestly in my mind it will come down to 'style points'. If either team loses a game left on their schedule and the other doesn't, I imagine I would vote for the one that didn't lose.

North Alabama is 3-2. And they haven't played Jackson State.

Could you go more in depth as to why you see JMU having a depth advantage?

[McCowboys]

Yea, he is little off kilter, there were 4 or 5 guys that posted polls that put Nicholls ahead of McNeese, but he was calling me out over it, whatever. xcoffeex I should have used the "elevation" factor and the conservative coach factor in the SFA and NoCo games when assessing those very weak wins. I think McNeese and Nicholls should be pretty close in the polls but I am going to keep Nicholls ahead until somebody makes a move or screws something up. Who knows.

Originally Posted by POD Knows file:///C:/Users/Ray/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2680729#post2680729)
I am not ****ing bragging about anything, relax, YOU are the one that called m out originally, remember?? You blasted me for the head to head deal with Nicholls and McNeese and then you did the exact thing I did when you rated Villanova ahead of Towson.

Blasted you? My, you are so dramatic. I simply questioned one thing in your poll. My sincere apologies if you think I attacked you in any way.

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Originally Posted by POD Knows file:///C:/Users/Ray/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2680729#post2680729)
I am not ****ing bragging about anything, relax, YOU are the one that called m out originally, remember?? You blasted me for the head to head deal with Nicholls and McNeese and then you did the exact thing I did when you rated Villanova ahead of Towson.

Blasted you? My, you are so dramatic. I simply questioned one thing in your poll. My sincere apologies if you think I attacked you in any way.

Originally Posted by POD Knows file:///C:/Users/Ray/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2684033#post2684033)
BTW, why are you stalking me on this, I wasn't the only one that had Nicholls ahead of you guys, there were a handful last week that did, go bug them for a while. Something tells me that your obsession with my poll is not necessarily just "polling" related, am I right????


You are the only one who made a big deal of it. That is why.
Stalking you? LOL!
Apparently I gave you the wrong impression. You think I'm coming on to you? If so, you are really are a bad off sicko.
I will, from this point forward in time, completely ignore you. Are there ways to block people on here?

[TheKingpin28]

Yea, he is little off kilter, there were 4 or 5 guys that posted polls that put Nicholls ahead of McNeese, but he was calling me out over it, whatever. xcoffeex I should have used the "elevation" factor and the conservative coach factor in the SFA and NoCo games when assessing those very weak wins. I think McNeese and Nicholls should be pretty close in the polls but I am going to keep Nicholls ahead until somebody makes a move or screws something up. Who knows.

This is what happens when the n00bs come in here swinging and land flat on their face. I find it hilarious he put me on block for his hypocrisy. He is the only person on here that I have seen get overtly defensive about their poll and then go on to ban people cause he couldn't take the criticism from others.

[McCowboys]

Originally Posted by POD Knows file:///C:/Users/Ray/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2680729#post2680729)
I am not ****ing bragging about anything, relax, YOU are the one that called m out originally, remember?? You blasted me for the head to head deal with Nicholls and McNeese and then you did the exact thing I did when you rated Villanova ahead of Towson.

Blasted you? My, you are so dramatic. I simply questioned one thing in your poll. My sincere apologies if you think I attacked you in any way.

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Originally Posted by POD Knows file:///C:/Users/Ray/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2684033#post2684033)
BTW, why are you stalking me on this, I wasn't the only one that had Nicholls ahead of you guys, there were a handful last week that did, go bug them for a while. Something tells me that your obsession with my poll is not necessarily just "polling" related, am I right????


You are the only one who made a big deal of it. That is why.
Stalking you? LOL!
Apparently I gave you the wrong impression. You think I'm coming on to you? If so, you are really are a bad off sicko.
I will, from this point forward in time, completely ignore you. Are there ways to block people on here?

NOT necessarily just "polling" related, am I right???? What the Hell does that mean. All I know about you is what you post in your polls.
I had you on ignore, but you continue to post about me. I think you are the one who is OBSESSED with me.
Please put me on ignore and I will do the same for you.

[TheKingpin28]

Originally Posted by POD Knows file:///C:/Users/Ray/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2680729#post2680729)
I am not ****ing bragging about anything, relax, YOU are the one that called m out originally, remember?? You blasted me for the head to head deal with Nicholls and McNeese and then you did the exact thing I did when you rated Villanova ahead of Towson.

Blasted you? My, you are so dramatic. I simply questioned one thing in your poll. My sincere apologies if you think I attacked you in any way.

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Originally Posted by POD Knows file:///C:/Users/Ray/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2684033#post2684033)
BTW, why are you stalking me on this, I wasn't the only one that had Nicholls ahead of you guys, there were a handful last week that did, go bug them for a while. Something tells me that your obsession with my poll is not necessarily just "polling" related, am I right????


You are the only one who made a big deal of it. That is why.
Stalking you? LOL!
Apparently I gave you the wrong impression. You think I'm coming on to you? If so, you are really are a bad off sicko.
I will, from this point forward in time, completely ignore you. Are there ways to block people on here?

Always glad to help the snowflakes out.

Click Settings in the top right corner
Scroll down to Edit Ignore List on the left side about halfway down
Scroll down and type in the Search Box whoever you'd like
Click Okay

Only thing is, I want first on that list for helping you out.

[McCowboys]

Always glad to help the snowflakes out.

Click Settings in the top right corner
Scroll down to Edit Ignore List on the left side about halfway down
Scroll down and type in the Search Box whoever you'd like
Click Okay

Only thing is, I want first on that list for helping you out.

Oh, I figured that out on my own yesterday, but thanks anyway. There is an easier way. Just go to the person's profile and find the ignore button.

[TheKingpin28]

Oh, I figured that out on my own yesterday, but thanks anyway. There is an easier way. Just go to the person's profile and find the ignore button.

Then why the hell would you ask? This can be one of the reasons why you might irk people. If you post your poll, expect criticism. If you ask for help, then don't be like "Oh I figured that out on my own yesterday," when you literally just asked about 10 minutes ago.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Does the "Ignore" really work, because I am seeing lots of evidence to the contrary on this thread? Yes, I am busting your balls. Carry on.

[McCowboys]

Then why the hell would you ask? This can be one of the reasons why you might irk people. If you post your poll, expect criticism. If you ask for help, then don't be like "Oh I figured that out on my own yesterday," when you literally just asked about 10 minutes ago.

That was a quoted conversation from yesterday where I asked that. I posted past conversations so you could understand what was going on. Sorry you got lost.

[superman7515]

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[McCowboys]

Does the "Ignore" really work, because I am seeing lots of evidence to the contrary on this thread? Yes, I am busting your balls. Carry on.

Yes, it works until someone quotes someone that has been ignored, unfortunately.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Disclaimer: I'm not a voter, nor would I put JMU above NDSU in a poll at this point but I make an okay devils advocate.

Lets look at their records:


JMU:

-Lost 24-13 to NC State, #19 in the Sagarin ratings, #23 in the AP Poll, #25 in the coaches poll. No loss is good but JMU was more than respectable against NC State, they were only down 17-13 with 6 minutes to go in the 4th. Not going for it on one or more red zone possessions could have cost us the game but we will never know. I believe if you ask NC State, they would say that we were their best opponent to date (not saying much, as they've played Marshall, Georgia State, UVa)

-Beat Norfolk State, #211 in the Sagarin, 17-0, the game was called after the first quarter due to lightning. I hate to assume but the likely final score of this game would have looked something like 72-0, 68-7 etc. The year before, it was 75-10. A truly bad opponent. They are 3-1 with a win over D2 Virginia State, and wins over awful South Carolina State and a awful Delaware State.

-Beat Robert Morris #242 in the Sagarin, 72-7. Another very bad opponent. Robert Morris is 1-3 with its only win against D2 Virginia State, and has two other losses to bottom feeders Dayton and Bryant. Pulled starters with 9 minutes left in the third.

-Beat William and Mary #206 in the Sagarin, 51-0. Jimmye Laycock's squad's all time worst drubbing from JMU. Not a good opponent. William and Mary only has a victory to Bucknell and has played a tough schedule otherwise, losing big to Virginia Tech, and getting shutout 23-0 by a solid#23 FCS team Colgate. Pulled starters in the first part of the 4th quarter.

-Beat Richmond, #170 in the Sagarin, 63-10. Not a good Spiders team this year. Not awful, but definitely not good. They crushed a bad Fordham team and barely beat an average for the NEC conference team in St. Francis. Pulled starters with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter.


NDSU:

-Beat Cal Poly, #187 in the Sagarin, 49-3. Not a very good team. Cal Poly is 1-4, with a win over Brown (220 in Sagarin) and a respectable loss to Weber State (114 in Sagarin). Looks like NDSU pulled their starting offense around half way through the third quarter).

-Beat North Alabama, #214 in the Sagarin, 38-7. Not a very good team. North Alabama is 2-3 with wins over Jackson State (241 in Sagarin) and Alabama A&M (240 in Sagarin). Looks like NDSU had the starters in with 2 minutes left in the third.

-Beat Delaware, #136 in the Sagarin, 38-10. An okay team? Delaware has wins over Lafayette (237 in Sagarin) and Cornell (197 in Sagarin). It looks like they pulled starters in the second half of the third quarter.

-Beat SDSU, #57 in the Sagarin, 21-17. A very good (albeit close) win to the #3 FCS team in the country. SDSU is rightfully ranked the #3 team in the country in my opinion.



Comparison:

JMU has a 'good loss' to a nationally ranked FBS team
NDSU has a close victory over the #3 FCS team in the country

Otherwise, both teams soundly defeated middling to bad teams. JMU beat their weaker competition by more on average but I'd say NDSU's weak opponents were a little bit better and NDSU pulled starters slightly before JMU did.

Having watched both teams (granted, JMU about twice as much as NDSU), I'd say both look very good and if I had to guess, the spread for this game, were it to be tomorrow, would be very small (like, field goal close).

In my opinion, NDSU's starters (as a whole) are performing slightly better than JMU's starters. I believe JMU has a slight depth advantage over NDSU. Though that depth advantage has been weakened with the dismissal of a starting OL player for JMU (Gerren Butler) and an indefinite suspension of another starting OL player Jahee Jackson before the Richmond game.

Were the two teams to play tomorrow, I think it would be really close, and the final scores the three times these teams have played would all be possible (2017: NDSU winning 17-13, 2016: JMU winning 27-17, or 2011: NDSU winning 26-14, or vice versa for any of those scores)

Both teams have their hardest opponents (NC State and SDSU) past them but the remaining portions of their schedule are more difficult than the rest of their previous opponents.

JMU:

Elon 113 in Sagarin, #10 in Stats poll
Villanova 126 in Sagarin, #19 in Stats Poll
Stony Brook 135 in Sagarin, #13 in Stats Poll
New Hampshire 168 in Sagarin, Unranked
Rhode Island 171 in Sagarin, #18 in Stats Poll
Towson 143 in Sagarin, #23 in Stats Poll

NDSU:

Northern Iowa 76 in Sagarin, Unranked
Western Illinois 133 in Sagarin, #30 in Stats Poll
Illinois State 87 in Sagarin, #15 in Stats Poll
South Dakota 121, #29 in Stats Poll
Youngstown State 140 in Sagarin, Unranked
Missouri State 129 in Sagarin, #24 in Stats Poll
Southern Illinois 144 in Sagarin, Unranked

Who knows where the teams remaining on JMU's and NDSU's schedule will land in the Sagarin ratings or the final poll but it appears currently, JMU has a more highly ranked list of opponents remaining and NDSU has a more challenging remaining schedule according to the Sagarin ratings.

If both teams win out, quite honestly in my mind it will come down to 'style points'. If either team loses a game left on their schedule and the other doesn't, I imagine I would vote for the one that didn't lose.

Thank you for the detailed analysis. Besides a small error here or there, this is a decent recap of their results thus far. I am curious as to the "style points"...what do you think these might entail (best defense, potent offense, point differential, special teams, etc)? Plus, I am not so sure a couple of those teams in the MVFC (UNI, WIU, USD) might not move up in ranking a bit, while I feel that the CAA ranked teams might have hit their top end and be about where they will end up (give or take a few spots), but this could be my MVFC bias showing, so please take this with a grain of salt. Appreciate the breakdown though.

[POD Knows]

NOT necessarily just "polling" related, am I right???? What the Hell does that mean. All I know about you is what you post in your polls.
I had you on ignore, but you continue to post about me. I think you are the one who is OBSESSED with me.
Please put me on ignore and I will do the same for you.
Nope, there were multiple people that had Nicholls ahead of the Pokes and you focused on me. I gave you a good explanation as to why I did what I did and you wouldn't let it go. And you didn't address your poll with respect to the Villanova and Towson and then you went ahead again and rated a team that had won a head to head, Chatty v. ETSU and rated Chatty ahead of them. You are a piece of work and not in a good way. You are obsessed that I used the word blasted, JFC, get a grip. Answer me this, why aren't you calling out the other people for putting Nicholls ahead of McNeese and why aren't you talking to yourself in the mirror and calling yourself out for you poll regarding Villanova/Towson and Chatty/ETSU.

Also, I know you would bite on this, the ignore feature is a joke on here and I knew you would see the posts. Why don't you answer why it is OK for you to rank somebody that lost a head to head over the winner of the H to H? You still haven't addressed that, I am just throwing your comments against me back at you. Also, please cut and paste your posts to the other posters that put Nicholls ahead of McNeese, I am sure you have them at the ready.

Now put me back on ignore, or better yet, leave the freaking board if you are going to continue to be so fixated on this. You called me out, I didn't call you out, I provided you with a reason why I put Nicholls ahead of you and that should have been it, but you can't let it go, now just go or are you going to come back with the always timeless "don't tell me what to do", you drug that one out a while back.

[McNeese75]

xpopcornx

[POD Knows]

xpopcornxIs this your little brother taking me on here. :D

[McCowboys]

Nope, there were multiple people that had Nicholls ahead of the Pokes and you focused on me. I gave you a good explanation as to why I did what I did and you wouldn't let it go. And you didn't address your poll with respect to the Villanova and Towson and then you went ahead again and rated a team that had won a head to head, Chatty v. ETSU and rated Chatty ahead of them. You are a piece of work and not in a good way. You are obsessed that I used the word blasted, JFC, get a grip. Answer me this, why aren't you calling out the other people for putting Nicholls ahead of McNeese and why aren't you talking to yourself in the mirror and calling yourself out for you poll regarding Villanova/Towson and Chatty/ETSU.

Also, I know you would bite on this, the ignore feature is a joke on here and I knew you would see the posts. Why don't you answer why it is OK for you to rank somebody that lost a head to head over the winner of the H to H? You still haven't addressed that, I am just throwing your comments against me back at you. Also, please cut and paste your posts to the other posters that put Nicholls ahead of McNeese, I am sure you have them at the ready.

Now put me back on ignore, or better yet, leave the freaking board if you are going to continue to be so fixated on this. You called me out, I didn't call you out, I provided you with a reason why I put Nicholls ahead of you and that should have been it, but you can't let it go, now just go or are you going to come back with the always timeless "don't tell me what to do", you drug that one out a while back.

Originally Posted by POD Knows file:///C:/Users/Ray/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2680049#post2680049)
Towson beat Villanova, shouldn't they be rated about Villanova???? Samford, really. Damn it feels good to pick somebodies poll apart. :)

(You didn't call me out? LOL! I attacked you. I blasted you. You took it too personally.)

I apologized: Blasted you? My, you are so dramatic. I simply questioned one thing in your poll. My sincere apologies if you think I attacked you in any way.

Hear Ye! Hear Ye! I do have a problem with anyone who has Nicholls over McNeese due to a recent H2H between the two teams. Sorry. I do not recall anyone giving a good reason like you did so I have nothing to copy and paste.

[McNeese75]

Is this your little brother taking me on here. :D

ohhhh No, xlolx I am Sgt Schultz on this http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29121&stc=1

[POD Knows]

Originally Posted by POD Knows file:///C:/Users/Ray/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2680049#post2680049)
Towson beat Villanova, shouldn't they be rated about Villanova???? Samford, really. Damn it feels good to pick somebodies poll apart. :)

(You didn't call me out? LOL! I attacked you. I blasted you. You took it too personally.)

I apologized: Blasted you? My, you are so dramatic. I simply questioned one thing in your poll. My sincere apologies if you think I attacked you in any way.

Hear Ye! Hear Ye! I do have a problem with anyone who has Nicholls over McNeese due to a recent H2H between the two teams. Sorry. I do not recall anyone giving a good reason like you did so I have nothing to copy and paste.Then are you going to answer the question as to why you have two instances of the exact same thing you have been referring with my poll. I don't think you attacked me and my use of the word blasted does not mean I am offended, I don't get offended, I do the offending. :D Now win a tough game by 50 or so and we will see what happens. I know I am an outlier on this McNeese poll position and I certainly don't begrudge anybody for having poll results different than mine. I rarely call people out on polls because they are subjective as hell and nobody is perfect when putting these things together. I mistakenly put somebody in the wrong slot on the 3rd week poll, it happens. Hell, I got Idaho State in my poll, I thought I was going to catch all sorts of hell for that one.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Wow, what a ****ing snowflake. I read the thread and if you have been here since 06, you'd realize how he posts. You should come over to a different board. You'd give LFN a run for his money.

I think you all need to stop walking up to that edge on this board. Maybe you can't see where it is going but I got a good idea where it is and you should all three leave it be cuz it doesn't end well if you keep traveling down the poli road fellers.

[jmuwishyouhadadukedog]

Thank you for the detailed analysis. Besides a small error here or there, this is a decent recap of their results thus far. I am curious as to the "style points"...what do you think these might entail (best defense, potent offense, point differential, special teams, etc)? Plus, I am not so sure a couple of those teams in the MVFC (UNI, WIU, USD) might not move up in ranking a bit, while I feel that the CAA ranked teams might have hit their top end and be about where they will end up (give or take a few spots), but this could be my MVFC bias showing, so please take this with a grain of salt. Appreciate the breakdown though.

I would agree, I predict that the CAA's overall final position in the polls will be weaker than it currently is, and the MVFC will be stronger than it currently is. The MVFC will have two serious contenders in NDSU and SDSU whereas the CAA will just have JMU. I'd hazard a guess that the CAA will have more ranked teams when its all said and done though. I look for Maine to drop completely out of the polls with time.

As for style points, I like the 'eyeball test' a lot. If a team looks dominating and is consistently executing, that speaks volumes for me (i.e. JMU's pounding of William and Mary where we won 51-0 and only allowed 132 yards of offense or the second half vs Richmond, where we outscored them 21-0 and allowed only 55 yards of offense). If they win big despite looking a bit sloppy (i.e. the first half of the Richmond game for JMU where we gave up 282 yards of offense and outscored them 35-10 or the first and only quarter of the NSU game), then I don't look quite as favorably upon the performance.

Again, admittedly I haven't seen quite as much of NDSU as JMU but I suspect JMU has played more sloppily than NDSU to this point. That consistency is why I'd put them ahead of the Dukes at this point.

[McCowboys]

Then are you going to answer the question as to why you have two instances of the exact same thing you have been referring with my poll. I don't think you attacked me and my use of the word blasted does not mean I am offended, I don't get offended, I do the offending. :D Now win a tough game by 50 or so and we will see what happens. I know I am an outlier on this McNeese poll position and I certainly don't begrudge anybody for having poll results different than mine. I rarely call people out on polls because they are subjective as hell and nobody is perfect when putting these things together. I mistakenly put somebody in the wrong slot on the 3rd week poll, it happens. Hell, I got Idaho State in my poll, I thought I was going to catch all sorts of hell for that one.


You pointed that out - and I took your suggestion - about Towson-Villanova last week. I corrected that. I have Towson rated above Villanova in this week's poll.

As for ETSU, I don't know much about them. Ursus pointed out that this may be a team to watch. They are just outside my Top 25. As I wrote when I posted my poll, there were about ten teams I was trying to squeeze into the last five spots.

I didn't question your McNeese-Nicholls ratings to attack you. I have liked your polls and think you do a good job. I just wondered why you rated them the way you did and you gave a good answer. Thank you. I should have accepted that.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

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xlolx

[POD Knows]

You pointed that out - and I took your suggestion - about Towson-Villanova last week. I corrected that. I have Towson rated above Villanova in this week's poll.

As for ETSU, I don't know much about them. Ursus pointed out that this may be a team to watch. They are just outside my Top 25. As I wrote when I posted my poll, there were about ten teams I was trying to squeeze into the last five spots.

I didn't question your McNeese-Nicholls ratings to attack you. I have liked your polls and think you do a good job. I just wondered why you rated them the way you did and you gave a good answer. Thank you. I should have accepted that.Thanks, good post, I like you McNeese guys, and you have a pretty solid team year after year. You can get kind of boxed in on these polls, the Missouri State/ Illinois State is a tough one, I had ISUr pretty high in my poll and then they lose to MSU, what is a guy supposed to do, drop them behind a team that I had as unranked, I still have ISUr ahead of them because I am pretty sure that MSU will tank and the drama will be over but it gets tricky. What does a guy do this week if NDSU loses to UNI, drop them behind UNI, there are so many teams that can lose any time to anybody that it gets rough.

[BEAR]

xpopcornx I have ALL of you on ignore! Don't bother responding to this...I can't read it anyway! :D

[McCowboys]

Thanks, good post, I like you McNeese guys, and you have a pretty solid team year after year. You can get kind of boxed in on these polls, the Missouri State/ Illinois State is a tough one, I had ISUr pretty high in my poll and then they lose to MSU, what is a guy supposed to do, drop them behind a team that I had as unranked, I still have ISUr ahead of them because I am pretty sure that MSU will tank and the drama will be over but it gets tricky. What does a guy do this week if NDSU loses to UNI, drop them behind UNI, there are so many teams that can lose any time to anybody that it gets rough.

As a few more games are played, things should be clearer. The early season games won't mean as much. It will be more "what have you done for me lately?" Some teams have already lost their starting QB's or other important players.

[Bison56]

Come here to read poll opinions, but instead I have to scroll through pages of garbage thanks to a couple morons.xsighx

[POD Knows]

As a few more games are played, things should be clearer. The early season games won't mean as much. It will be more "what have you done for me lately?" Some teams have already lost their starting QB's or other important players.You guys and Nicholls have a common opponent in the next couple weeks. These early season polls are generally not very good, I save my weekly polls in a file and have looked at them at the end of each years, tons of changes and corrections.

[McNeese75]

Come here to read poll opinions, but instead I have to scroll through pages of garbage thanks to a couple morons.xsighx

Wait!!!!! The political board is further down the home screen. That's where you will find all the opinions and morons you can handle.

[Daytripper]

You guys and Nicholls have a common opponent in the next couple weeks. These early season polls are generally not very good, I save my weekly polls in a file and have looked at them at the end of each years, tons of changes and corrections.

Yeah, anybody that thinks they can somehow stay true to their early season polls is delusional. For me, 5-25 looks nothing like when the season began. It seems like this season there are a lot of teams just in that 26-40 range that I feel like I could legitimately put at 15-20.

[caribbeanhen]

Always glad to help the snowflakes out.

Click Settings in the top right corner
Scroll down to Edit Ignore List on the left side about halfway down
Scroll down and type in the Search Box whoever you'd like
Click Okay

Only thing is, I want first on that list for helping you out.

only snowflakes know how to put people on ignore right....haha

[WileECoyote06]

I have JSU at #11 and NC A&T at #14 so it's not that big of a spread for me personally but I'll explain my reasoning and I'd assume this is the same as folks who have a bigger spread between them. The bottom line is their win over JSU seemed kinda flukish. They were outgained 148 to 403 and they got more yards via JSU penalties (149) than they did via their own offense. So I was pretty skeptical of how good A&T was after that game but that early in the season I respected the head-to-head win and had them ranked higher than JSU even though I wasn't really convinced they were truly better. When they took that loss to Morgan St, which in my eyes is the worst loss of any team in my top 25 to this point, that gave me the backup (or excuse if you want to call it that) to move them below JSU.

This is fair. I have them in the same position. A&T has the worst loss, but, A&T also has a better win (ECU). So having JSU at #9 and A&T at #20+ seems to ignore their performance on the field.

[Derby City Duke]

Here I was hoping to deliver snarky comments to defend my poll, instead get pages of drivel that has ursus ready to kick some digital @$$...

[Redbird 4th & short]

Disclaimer: I'm not a voter, nor would I put JMU above NDSU in a poll at this point but I make an okay devils advocate.

Lets look at their records:


JMU:

-Lost 24-13 to NC State, #19 in the Sagarin ratings, #23 in the AP Poll, #25 in the coaches poll. No loss is good but JMU was more than respectable against NC State, they were only down 17-13 with 6 minutes to go in the 4th. Not going for it on one or more red zone possessions could have cost us the game but we will never know. I believe if you ask NC State, they would say that we were their best opponent to date (not saying much, as they've played Marshall, Georgia State, UVa)

-Beat Norfolk State, #211 in the Sagarin, 17-0, the game was called after the first quarter due to lightning. I hate to assume but the likely final score of this game would have looked something like 72-0, 68-7 etc. The year before, it was 75-10. A truly bad opponent. They are 3-1 with a win over D2 Virginia State, and wins over awful South Carolina State and a awful Delaware State.

-Beat Robert Morris #242 in the Sagarin, 72-7. Another very bad opponent. Robert Morris is 1-3 with its only win against D2 Virginia State, and has two other losses to bottom feeders Dayton and Bryant. Pulled starters with 9 minutes left in the third.

-Beat William and Mary #206 in the Sagarin, 51-0. Jimmye Laycock's squad's all time worst drubbing from JMU. Not a good opponent. William and Mary only has a victory to Bucknell and has played a tough schedule otherwise, losing big to Virginia Tech, and getting shutout 23-0 by a solid#23 FCS team Colgate. Pulled starters in the first part of the 4th quarter.

-Beat Richmond, #170 in the Sagarin, 63-10. Not a good Spiders team this year. Not awful, but definitely not good. They crushed a bad Fordham team and barely beat an average for the NEC conference team in St. Francis. Pulled starters with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter.


NDSU:

-Beat Cal Poly, #187 in the Sagarin, 49-3. Not a very good team. Cal Poly is 1-4, with a win over Brown (220 in Sagarin) and a respectable loss to Weber State (114 in Sagarin). Looks like NDSU pulled their starting offense around half way through the third quarter).

-Beat North Alabama, #214 in the Sagarin, 38-7. Not a very good team. North Alabama is 2-3 with wins over Jackson State (241 in Sagarin) and Alabama A&M (240 in Sagarin). Looks like NDSU had the starters in with 2 minutes left in the third.

-Beat Delaware, #136 in the Sagarin, 38-10. An okay team? Delaware has wins over Lafayette (237 in Sagarin) and Cornell (197 in Sagarin). It looks like they pulled starters in the second half of the third quarter.

-Beat SDSU, #57 in the Sagarin, 21-17. A very good (albeit close) win to the #3 FCS team in the country. SDSU is rightfully ranked the #3 team in the country in my opinion.



Comparison:

JMU has a 'good loss' to a nationally ranked FBS team
NDSU has a close victory over the #3 FCS team in the country

Otherwise, both teams soundly defeated middling to bad teams. JMU beat their weaker competition by more on average but I'd say NDSU's weak opponents were a little bit better and NDSU pulled starters slightly before JMU did.

Having watched both teams (granted, JMU about twice as much as NDSU), I'd say both look very good and if I had to guess, the spread for this game, were it to be tomorrow, would be very small (like, field goal close).

In my opinion, NDSU's starters (as a whole) are performing slightly better than JMU's starters. I believe JMU has a slight depth advantage over NDSU. Though that depth advantage has been weakened with the dismissal of a starting OL player for JMU (Gerren Butler) and an indefinite suspension of another starting OL player Jahee Jackson before the Richmond game.

Were the two teams to play tomorrow, I think it would be really close, and the final scores the three times these teams have played would all be possible (2017: NDSU winning 17-13, 2016: JMU winning 27-17, or 2011: NDSU winning 26-14, or vice versa for any of those scores)

Both teams have their hardest opponents (NC State and SDSU) past them but the remaining portions of their schedule are more difficult than the rest of their previous opponents.

JMU:

Elon 113 in Sagarin, #10 in Stats poll
Villanova 126 in Sagarin, #19 in Stats Poll
Stony Brook 135 in Sagarin, #13 in Stats Poll
New Hampshire 168 in Sagarin, Unranked
Rhode Island 171 in Sagarin, #18 in Stats Poll
Towson 143 in Sagarin, #23 in Stats Poll

NDSU:

Northern Iowa 76 in Sagarin, Unranked
Western Illinois 133 in Sagarin, #30 in Stats Poll
Illinois State 87 in Sagarin, #15 in Stats Poll
South Dakota 121, #29 in Stats Poll
Youngstown State 140 in Sagarin, Unranked
Missouri State 129 in Sagarin, #24 in Stats Poll
Southern Illinois 144 in Sagarin, Unranked

Who knows where the teams remaining on JMU's and NDSU's schedule will land in the Sagarin ratings or the final poll but it appears currently, JMU has a more highly ranked list of opponents remaining and NDSU has a more challenging remaining schedule according to the Sagarin ratings.

If both teams win out, quite honestly in my mind it will come down to 'style points'. If either team loses a game left on their schedule and the other doesn't, I imagine I would vote for the one that didn't lose.

I am growing more impressed by JMU this year given they lost a lot more than NDSU to graduation. But the part that is not reflected in your thinking is this ... NDSU almost never pours it on against bad teams. They take their time and just keep running their offense and chewing up clock; then they empty the bench pretty early and go to even more conservative play calling. Not sure about JMU, but they strike me as team that only knows one speed .. I could be wrong.

Here is NDSU scoring by qtr: pretty much shut things down early 2nd half .. 24 to 10 score margin in Q3, after 94 to 10 score margin 1st half



Score by quarters
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


North Dakota State
42
52
24
28
146


Opponents
10
0
10
17
37





here is JMU scoring by qtr: still pouring it on Q3 with 59-0 score margin; Q4 margin is much more like NDSU and reflect a team that shut it down

Quarter 1st 2nd 3rd 4th OT Total
JMU 59 69 59 30 0 217
Opp 3 24 0 14 0 41

But yes, JMU has fully reloaded again this year.

[POD Knows]

This is the best I could do this week. I'm sure there is flawed logic at work. Feel free to pick holes. xscanx


Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/1/2018 7:11:16

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Wofford Terriers
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Towson Tigers
21: Sac State Hornets
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: Western Illinois Leathernecks
24: Colgate Raiders
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: Central Arkansas Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic AssociationOK, here, you asked for it. Not getting the Sac State love, they have beaten no one and one of their victories, over a very bad Northern Colorado team was very weak and their only other win was against some D2 Franciscan school in Illinois. Weak sauce. Coyotes maybe a little high, NCAT, I don't know, I have them higher in my poll but my gut tells me that aren't very good. All in all a decent poll

[McNeese72]

I am glad this message string is back on track. I was getting ready to post this photo.

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[PantherRob82]

WHAA IS MAINE....MOST SIGNIFICAN LOSS...xdontknowx........AS CHOSEN BAH MANY HERE........AH HAD ILLINOIS STATE....#6 IN POLL AT TIME....vs.....#9......AWK!

Because Maine got crushed. Did you watch it?

[PantherRob82]

I was high on NCAT early. I'm not very high on Jax St, but to me NCAT stock plumetted with that loss to Morgan State. I don't have to drop Jax St just because the week 0 opponent that barely beat them had a bad loss.

[kalm]

Yep.

It’s like upsets aren’t a thing all of a sudden.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Because Maine got crushed. Did you watch it?

.....MAINE WAS PICKED 10TH IN CAA....BAH STREET & SMIFF......MAINE....ALWAYS STARTS WHIFF CHEAP FBS UPSETS.........DEN DUMPSTER DIVES......TA END O' SEASON.........YALE WAS CHOSEN #UNO.....IN IVY.....CRUSHED WAS EXPECTED.....NO....DIDN'T WATCH.......AH KNEW WHAA WOOD HAPPEN............TA ADD TA....DUH BEARS DEMISE......QB IN MASH UNIT....'NOTHERAH REASON...GETTIN' SMACKED......WAS NO BIG DEAL.........BRAWK!

[PantherRob82]

Yep.

It’s like upsets aren’t a thing all of a sudden.
Is this directed towards me? If so, yes they do, and teams drop in the polls because of them.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Here I was hoping to deliver snarky comments to defend my poll, instead get pages of drivel that has ursus ready to kick some digital @$$...

Nah, these things frequently get a bit sideways on the poll threads but if they ever start to veer out of their lane and that 2nd "L" turns into an "I" then I try and put a little shoulder into it and push otherwise fine people back into the lane we all enjoy cruising down. xlolx

Arguing about football is one of our main reasons for existing around here after all. Tip of the cap to the fella's for getting back on the road with this one because it is more fun to see it the way it is now.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Is this directed towards me? If so, yes they do, and teams drop in the polls because of them.

NSFW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpJOxbaC8YU

[Derby City Duke]

OK, here, you asked for it. Not getting the Sac State love, they have beaten no one and one of their victories, over a very bad Northern Colorado team was very weak and their only other win was against some D2 Franciscan school in Illinois. Weak sauce. Coyotes maybe a little high, NCAT, I don't know, I have them higher in my poll but my gut tells me that aren't very good. All in all a decent poll

I see your point on Sac State. I was thinking I might be a little low on Towson and/or Rhody, but ultimately decided they were fine as they were. A&T hasn't shown itself to be as dominant as last year's team. They found a way to win 2 games they should've lost, and looked terrible on offense against Morgan State. Heck they fell behind SC State 16-3 before they righted the ship some.

For my 21-25, I felt like I had a bag of 10 Scrabble tiles and these were the 5 team tiles I drew...

[Reign of Terrier]

I think you all need to stop walking up to that edge on this board. Maybe you can't see where it is going but I got a good idea where it is and you should all three leave it be cuz it doesn't end well if you keep traveling down the poli road fellers.

Sidenote: I highly recommend people use Tapatalk as their primary use of AGS. Originally, I thought the app would make me want to be on here more (which probably isn't too healthy), so I avoided it. Using it now, during the week I basically only follow a few threads in the FCS discussion, and a lot of the stuff that makes one's eyes roll is pretty much gone. I still come on here via computer during the weekend to better keep up with games and I'm on it right now, but if you're someone such as myself who gets annoyed by the poliboard and how it bleeds over into the fun parts of this sight, I highly recommend Tapatalk




As for ETSU, I don't know much about them. Ursus pointed out that this may be a team to watch. They are just outside my Top 25. As I wrote when I posted my poll, there were about ten teams I was trying to squeeze into the last five spots.



Here's the thing about ETSU: do not rank them for another 2-3 weeks, if at all. We're still at the "information gathering" stage of the Socon. The only thing we know for certain is that 1) many teams are improved (VMI, ETSU, Chattanooga, and maybe even Wofford) 2) many teams are underperforming (Samford, Furman, Western Carolina). Wofford being at the level they were last year is probably the most certain thing (and even, they may be better)

Here are the pros for ETSU:
1) 4-1, 3-0 in FCS (all conference victories)
2) They held every non-FBS team they've played under 30, which is a milestone of sorts because this is their first year as a non-upstart program
3) They find a way to win.
4) They have some intangibles that other Socon schools don't have that make them a prime candidate to be competitive in the Socon fast. Namely, they are a state school with a fan base that's energetic about them and will turn out.

Here are the cons (as of now)
1) Their scoring offense is the worst in the Socon, and they are the second worst total offense.
2) They may be #2 in total defense in the conference, but they've played the 6th,7th, and 8th ranked offenses in the conference in terms of scoring offense and a D2 opponent.
3) They still haven't won a big game on the road. Since they restarted their program, they have played so much better at home, racking up multiple upsets and near misses. But they also lay eggs on the road. Their last two wins were at home.
4) if you look at the stat line last year, ETSU's defense was horrible against any team that could run the ball or score points. There's not much evidence to overturn that hypothesis (stopping VMI and Chattanooga isn't impressive), though they did well against Furman a couple weeks ago (but Furman has had a makeover of sorts on offense).

I personally think they'll finish in the 5-6 or 7-4 range (which is good for them!), but we're not going to know much until they play the Citadel in two weeks. Gardner Webb is terrible and I think they'll win but I'll be surprised if they score 30. I'll be honest, I think Wofford will blow the brakes off of them now that we have someone calling the shots on defense who knows what he's doing.

[kdinva]

4) if you look at the stat line last year, ETSU's defense was horrible against any team that could run the ball or score points. There's not much evidence to overturn that hypothesis (stopping VMI and Chattanooga isn't impressive),

Ask WCU.........

[Reign of Terrier]

Ask WCU.........
*stopping the run.

So glad you guys were out of sync against us, I'd like to think we caused itxthumbsupx

[Preferred Walk-On]

Thank you Dartmouth for validating Maine as the biggest loss of week 5. ;)


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[POD Knows]

I see your point on Sac State. I was thinking I might be a little low on Towson and/or Rhody, but ultimately decided they were fine as they were. A&T hasn't shown itself to be as dominant as last year's team. They found a way to win 2 games they should've lost, and looked terrible on offense against Morgan State. Heck they fell behind SC State 16-3 before they righted the ship some.

For my 21-25, I felt like I had a bag of 10 Scrabble tiles and these were the 5 team tiles I drew...I thought this from 15 on down and had 20 Scrabble pieces. I personally don't think much of NCAT either, I dropped them and might keep dropping them if they keep playing like they are, wins or no wins.

[Professor Chaos]

I thought this from 15 on down and had 20 Scrabble pieces. I personally don't think much of NCAT either, I dropped them and might keep dropping them if they keep playing like they are, wins or no wins.
I'm hoping for NC A&T to run the table from here on out. If they drop another one they probably lose the Celebration Bowl and that is going to be one ugly debate methinks about whether they're worthy of an at-large invite at 9-2.

[POD Knows]

I'm hoping for NC A&T to run the table from here on out. If they drop another one they probably lose the Celebration Bowl and that is going to be one ugly debate methinks about whether they're worthy of an at-large invite at 9-2.Yea, it would be interesting, I guess it would hinge on what else is out there to pick from. I think there is a very possibility that they drop a game, they have huge problems on offense.