AGS Poll Results - WEEK 1 POLL - 2018 SEASON

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AGS Poll Results - WEEK 1 POLL - 2018 SEASON




Rank
Team
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
North Dakota State Bison
2123
84


2
James Madison Dukes
1992
1


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1842



4
Eastern Washington Eagles
1698



5
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1666



6
Kennesaw State Owls
1579



7
North Carolina A&T Aggies
1494



8
Samford Bulldogs
1349



9
Villanova Wildcats
1314



10
Nicholls State Colonels
1250



11
Wofford Terriers
1158



12
Weber State Wildcats
1122



13
Illinois State Redbirds
902



14
Montana Grizzlies
881



15
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
800



16
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
752



17
Central Arkansas Bears
680



18
Elon Phoenix
665



19
Maine Black Bears
610



20
Furman Paladins
519



21
Northern Iowa Panthers
507



22
South Dakota Coyotes
395



23
McNeese State Cowboys
392



24
Montana State Bobcats
378



25
UC Davis Aggies
351
















Most Significant Win:





North Carolina A&T Aggies











Most Significant Loss:





Youngstown State Penguins











ORV:




26
New Hampshire Wildcats
249



27
Stony Brook Seawolves
236



28
Western Illinois Leathernecks
128



29
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
109



30
Sac State Hornets
88



31
Austin Peay Governors
71



32
Rhode Island Rams
63



33
San Diego Toreros
45



34
Colgate Raiders
37



35
Yale Bulldogs
28



36
Prairie View A&M Panthers
18



37
Butler Bulldogs
15



38
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
15



39
The Citadel Bulldogs
14



40
Richmond Spiders
13

[RootinFerDukes]

Overall a good poll but I think, across the board, too many teams were harshly punished for their expected FBS losses. I think some on here overvalue the FCS/FBS games.

[POD Knows]

Sorry, not understanding the vote for JMU as #1, not being a total homer but the vote is clueless and I have no idea what it would even be based on. It is either an error or you have a blind hater voting.

[Reign of Terrier]

People are bullish on Montana

[caribbeanhen]

Kennesaw State loses to AGS laughing stock Georgia State and North Carolina A&T beats East Carolina but still not enough to convince the voters....

[Smitty]

Did anybody get any emails to vote or what they submitted this week?

[Reign of Terrier]

I don't really have a problem with these rankings other than I think Kennesaw shouldn't have dropped and Montana is a little high.

Also don't nitpick the outlier votes, all you're doing is whining lol it's a poll for a reason

[smilo]

The biggest complaint I may get is overrating wins and performances against some mediocre FBS competition. To treat this as more of a power ranking in the early weeks than I did in prior years ---

1. North Dakota State (-)
2. James Madison (-)
3. South Dakota State (-)
4. Sam Houston State (+4)
5. Villanova (+15)
6. Samford (-1)
7. Montana (+5)
8. UC Davis (New) - Clearly where I was more impressed than the rest of the voters. Scoreline didn't seem indicative, but we'll see how defense holds up in a very competitive Big Sky. They'll obviously drop a couple games this year, but for now they have shown more.
9. Eastern Washington (+1)
10. Illinois State (+3)
11. North Carolina A&T (+7)
12. South Dakota (New) - Another major divergence. Even though they didn't pull it off, I was stunned this one was even close.
13. Northern Arizona (New)
14. Nicholls State (-)
15. Kennesaw State (-11) - Gotta beat Georgia State. Very unimpressive for a team that expects to go deep into the FCS playoffs to drop an easy FBS match.
16. Weber State (-7) - I suspect they'll recover and I may have been too harsh, but teams like South Dakota were a bit more impressive against a similar level of FBS team.
17. Elon (-6)
18. Wofford (-3)
19. Maine (New)
20. Furman (-3)
21. Central Arkansas (+3)
22. Jacksonville State (-6)
23. McNeese State (-1)
24. Southeastern Louisiana (New)
25. New Hampshire (-19)

Dropped Out: #7 Delaware, #19 Stony Brook, #21 Idaho, #23 Austin Peay, #25 Youngstown State

Also Considered: (North Alabama), Southern Utah, William & Mary, Yale, Austin Peay, Rhode Island, Delaware, Montana State, Western Illinois, Stony Brook

Definitely not considering Northern Iowa still.

[POD Knows]

Here is my poll, suck it bitches.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28655&stc=1

[Grizalltheway]

Is the Big Fluffy, dare I say it, back?xcoolx

[BEAR]

Eh...first game of the year against an FBS with a new Oline, QB, and head coach and we basically lose due to a fumbled kickoff. Our fault. No biggie. FBS were meant to win anyway. Murray State next week then onto the heart of the schedule.

[Daytripper]

Did anybody get any emails to vote or what they submitted this week?

I didn't receive mine.

- - - Updated - - -

Sam's bye week was a rousing success.....xrolleyesx

[FUGameBreaker]

Someone explain the love for EWU to me? #4? They missed the playoffs last year correct

[POD Knows]

I didn't receive mine.

- - - Updated - - -

Sam's bye week was a rousing success.....xrolleyesxI got the email to vote and the link, didn't get my poll back but I think he is working on that.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Did anybody get any emails to vote or what they submitted this week?

If you voters would check in on the poll voters forum that I created exclusively for you it would really help me out Smitty and it would inform you when an issue is afoot.

[RootinFerDukes]

Someone explain the love for EWU to me? #4? They missed the playoffs last year correct

Name recognition is the only way to explain them at #4 right now.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I just went and tried sending poll confirmations again and it allowed about another 40 to go out but it stopped again before it finished the final 15. Probably will have to wait until tomorrow for them.

[Reign of Terrier]

Here's my rankings:
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Nicholls State Colonels
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Furman Paladins
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: UC Davis Aggies
25: McNeese State Cowboys

My first ballot in close to a decadexthumbsupx

Here's my reasoning (for those who care):
1) I label this week's outcome based on 6 categories: Good win, solid win, bye/expected win, "good loss" (FBS), "good loss" (FCS), and bad loss.

2)I don't punish teams for losing to FBS teams, no matter how good/bad said FBS teams are. I don't have hard data to prove this point, but in the anecdote, FBS wins aren't always predictive.

3) I also don't punish (i.e drop) a team for winning in an expected game or having a bye UNLESS another team did shockingly well. That will rarely happen in the top 10, simply because we have more information about those teams than others (see #4)

4) Because of general information problems at the FCS level, I never feel confident of any ranking below 15 (or so) and I'm only generally confident about the top 12. 20-25 is almost always going to be the availability heuristic ("what have you done lately").

5) I don't reward teams for losing close to FBS teams. A loss is a loss and a lot of times FBS games aren't really predictive. Having said that, I don't punish teams that lose to FBS teams close either.

Polls aren't perfect, they're just a snapshot of the information we have at a point in time.

[Reign of Terrier]

Someone explain the love for EWU to me? #4? They missed the playoffs last year correct


Name recognition is the only way to explain them at #4 right now.

They, objectively, got hosed out of a playoff spot last year, scheduling tough and finishing 7-4. They were as good as many 8-3 teams that made the field.

[R.A.]

If Howard gets an At- Large Bid, we may win the FCS National Championship.

[POD Knows]

They, objectively, got hosed out of a playoff spot last year, scheduling tough and finishing 7-4. They were as good as many 8-3 teams that made the field.
They have pretty good players back in the skilled positions on offense, they have one of the best QB's in the country back but I will bet you that they are very suspect on D. I have them at #5 in my poll.

[semobison]

Someone explain the love for EWU to me? #4? They missed the playoffs last year correct

Well, the Eagles are 8-2 in their last ten games after starting 2017 0-2. They probably were playoff worthy last season. Traditionally good teams seem to get ranked higher in early season polls because really, after NDSU and JSU it's guessing at best!

[POD Knows]

If Howard gets an At- Large Bid, we may win the FCS National Championship.Seriously Clark.

[FUGameBreaker]

If Howard gets an At- Large Bid, we may win the FCS National Championship.


Too bad you guys don't get a shot at NC A&T this year

[JSUSoutherner]

This seems like it should trigger everyone.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Kennesaw State Owls
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: Furman Paladins
15: Elon Phoenix
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Montana State Bobcats
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Colgate Raiders

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: Nicholls State Colonels
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference


Get Triggered.

[ElCid]

Someone explain the love for EWU to me? #4? They missed the playoffs last year correct

But this isn't a poll about last year. It is this year's poll. They got a lot of folks back. They will fall if the faith people have fails. A few games and it will be clear.

[ElCid]

Who ever voted for us obviously did not see our tackling. Geez.

[katss07]

Good to see PVAMU in the poll headed into the Sam game.

[Redbird 4th & short]

They have pretty good players back in the skilled positions on offense, they have one of the best QB's in the country back but I will bet you that they are very suspect on D. I have them at #5 in my poll.

agreed .. and last season they were the most screwed team out of playoff big. They started slow with new HC who tried to transform them immediately from passing team to running team .. started badly and eventually shored things up. The were 7-3 against 7th ranked SOS in FCS .. they should have been at large. The whole Delaware vs UNH thing was made a huge deal because they had more games in common, which should have given clear edge to Delaware. But EWU was most screwed team last year .. after slow start, they were a top 15-20 team for sure .. and as POD pointed out, they have a lot coming back .. plus 2nd year with full offseason for new HC should also help. Top 5 is bit of a leap this early, but won't surprise if they are top 5 come end of regular season.

[semobison]

Week two, it was tough!


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Nicholls State Colonels
11: Maine Black Bears
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: San Diego Toreros
21: Rhode Island Rams
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: UC Davis Aggies
25: Furman Paladins

Semobison

The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[PantherRob82]

Blast away. I voted based on games played. I thought it was a fun poll.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Villanova Wildcats
3: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Nicholls State Colonels
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Prairie View A&M Panthers
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Butler Bulldogs
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Howard Bison
23: Colgate Raiders
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Samford Bulldogs

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

I may have forgotten Kennesaw State. Debating whether or not they belong. Time will tell.

[superman7515]

Semi-off-topic, but just putting on my Poll Historian goggles, I think this is the closest Rhode Island has ever come to being ranked in the AGS Poll.

[JSUSoutherner]

Blast away. I voted based on games played. I thought it was a fun poll.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Villanova Wildcats
3: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Nicholls State Colonels
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Prairie View A&M Panthers
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Butler Bulldogs
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Howard Bison
23: Colgate Raiders
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Samford Bulldogs

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

I may have forgotten Kennesaw State. Debating whether or not they belong. Time will tell.

This is definitely a... uh... unique take.

[RootinFerDukes]

This is definitely a... uh... unique take.

An NDSU fan will come by with the honorary “no slot voting” badge.

[POD Knows]

Blast away. I voted based on games played. I thought it was a fun poll.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Villanova Wildcats
3: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Nicholls State Colonels
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Prairie View A&M Panthers
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Butler Bulldogs
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Howard Bison
23: Colgate Raiders
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Samford Bulldogs

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

I may have forgotten Kennesaw State. Debating whether or not they belong. Time will tell.Why didn't you just throw Nova in the top spot as they beat that powerhouse Temple and move NDSU down and they basically performed as expected against CP. Why is Nichols so low, they had a P5 win, the rest of the FBS wins were against FBS teams in name only. I doubt that ECU would beat Kansas but who knows and who would really care.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They, objectively, got hosed out of a playoff spot last year, scheduling tough and finishing 7-4. They were as good as many 8-3 teams that made the field.

I wanted to make that statement earlier but did not have time to back it up so thanks for casting that one out there.

[semobison]

Here's my rankings:
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Nicholls State Colonels
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Furman Paladins
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: UC Davis Aggies
25: McNeese State Cowboys

My first ballot in close to a decadexthumbsupx

Here's my reasoning (for those who care):
1) I label this week's outcome based on 6 categories: Good win, solid win, bye/expected win, "good loss" (FBS), "good loss" (FCS), and bad loss.

2)I don't punish teams for losing to FBS teams, no matter how good/bad said FBS teams are. I don't have hard data to prove this point, but in the anecdote, FBS wins aren't always predictive.

3) I also don't punish (i.e drop) a team for winning in an expected game or having a bye UNLESS another team did shockingly well. That will rarely happen in the top 10, simply because we have more information about those teams than others (see #4)

4) Because of general information problems at the FCS level, I never feel confident of any ranking below 15 (or so) and I'm only generally confident about the top 12. 20-25 is almost always going to be the availability heuristic ("what have you done lately").

5) I don't reward teams for losing close to FBS teams. A loss is a loss and a lot of times FBS games aren't really predictive. Having said that, I don't punish teams that lose to FBS teams close either.

Polls aren't perfect, they're just a snapshot of the information we have at a point in time.

South Dakota Coyotes, I guess they fall in your reasoning #5 after losing a heartbreaker at K State. Even though they beat your current #10 and took your current #5 to the wire in last years playoff.
Don't sleep on the Yotes. It looks like they have a good replacement for Streveler and Nielsen is one of the best coaches in the Valley!

[MTfan4life]

Overall a good poll but I think, across the board, too many teams were harshly punished for their expected FBS losses. I think some on here overvalue the FCS/FBS games.

Why do you say punished? Preseason polls are done in July and are total guesswork. You really can't compare a team's ranking from that poll to this poll. That's one thing I think the AGS poll does best. They don't slot vote as ridiculously as the other two polls. It's possible a team could drop in this poll after a win, simply because a different team had a much better win. In my opinion, the best polls are done by ignoring previous polls as much as you can.

[Reign of Terrier]

South Dakota Coyotes, I guess they fall in your reasoning #5 after losing a heartbreaker at K State. Even though they beat your current #10 and took your current #5 to the wire in last years playoff.
Don't sleep on the Yotes. It looks like they have a good replacement for Streveler and Nielsen is one of the best coaches in the Valley!

They weren't ranked in the AGS poll last week and they didn't win so I didn't rank them. No inconsistency here.

[RootinFerDukes]

Why do you say punished? Preseason polls are done in July and are total guesswork. You really can't compare a team's ranking from that poll to this poll. That's one thing I think the AGS poll does best. They don't slot vote as ridiculously as the other two polls. It's possible a team could drop in this poll after a win, simply because a different team had a much better win. In my opinion, the best polls are done by ignoring previous polls as much as you can.

If so, then Villanova is probably the #1 team. No, it’s actually Nicholls since they beat a P5.

I believe in a critical mix of taking the present and the recent past into consideration. It ends up being most accurate. Half of the teams that just jumped into the poll for beating the UTEPs and UNLVs of the world will be out of this poll by the end of September.

[MTfan4life]

If so, then Villanova is probably the #1 team. No, it’s actually Nicholls since they beat a P5.

I believe in a critical mix of taking the present and the recent past into consideration. It ends up being most accurate. Half of the teams that just jumped into the poll for beating the UTEPs and UNLVs of the world will be out of this poll by the end of September.

However, the preseason poll is not a very good metric for the recent past.

[Daytripper]

Come at me. I might not respond, but come on nonetheless....

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: North Carolina A&T Aggies
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Nicholls State Colonels
6: Kennesaw State Owls
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Elon Phoenix
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Furman Paladins
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Prairie View A&M Panthers
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Sac State Hornets

[RootinFerDukes]

They weren't ranked in the AGS poll last week and they didn't win so I didn't rank them. No inconsistency here.

Although I ranked them, I don’t fault you for failing to rank them. Some times we forget that winning is often important.

[ElCid]

Come at me. I might not respond, but come on nonetheless....

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: North Carolina A&T Aggies
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Nicholls State Colonels
6: Kennesaw State Owls
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Elon Phoenix
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Furman Paladins
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Prairie View A&M Panthers
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Sac State Hornets

No Samford huh?

[Daytripper]

No Samford huh?

Mistake, obviously. Will be rectified next week. Thanks for pointing it out.

Looking back at my sheet, I had Samford at 9 last week, but simply omitted them when doing this week.

[RootinFerDukes]

However, the preseason poll is not a very good metric for the recent past.

That’s what’s great about the poll. We all approach it our own way and the consensus is approximately right but much better than the national media polls who are exclusively slot voting and to a very lethargic degree too.

Teams in the top 10 have to drop four in a row to maybe leave the rankings in those polls.

[MTfan4life]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Kennesaw State Owls
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Nicholls State Colonels
13: Furman Paladins
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Sac State Hornets
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Elon Phoenix
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: UC Davis Aggies
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Rhode Island Rams

MTfan4life

The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats

[RootinFerDukes]

What has Sacramento state done to gain as many votes as they have in these first two polls?

[kdinva]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: North Carolina A&T Aggies
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Kennesaw State Owls
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Wofford Terriers
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Furman Paladins
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Colgate Raiders
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: UC Davis Aggies



The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

[ElCid]

Mistake, obviously. Will be rectified next week. Thanks for pointing it out.

Looking back at my sheet, I had Samford at 9 last week, but simply omitted them when doing this week.

Wouldn't have changed the current ranking.xthumbsupx

[ElCid]

What has Sacramento state done to gain as many votes as they have in these first two polls?

What have "most" teams done to gain as many votes as they are getting? Only a few are worthy so far..........

[RootinFerDukes]

What have "most" teams done to gain as many votes as they are getting? Only a few are worthy so far..........

Make the playoffs? Win more than 7 games (only one against a 2017 playoff team)? Beat NCAA-affiliated teams?

I’m not seeing what’s worth ranking, especially when we’re not “allowed” to consider anything prior to week 1.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Nicholls State Colonels
9: Furman Paladins
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
14: Yale Bulldogs
15: Maine Black Bears
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Elon Phoenix
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Wofford Terriers
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Montana State Bobcats

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[PantherRob82]

Why didn't you just throw Nova in the top spot as they beat that powerhouse Temple and move NDSU down and they basically performed as expected against CP. Why is Nichols so low, they had a P5 win, the rest of the FBS wins were against FBS teams in name only. I doubt that ECU would beat Kansas but who knows and who would really care.

Kansas sucks.

[The Yo Show]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Carolina A&T Aggies
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Nicholls State Colonels
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Western Illinois Leathernecks
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: UC Davis Aggies


The Yo Show


The Most Significant Win: North Carolina A&T Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[MTfan4life]

What has Sacramento state done to gain as many votes as they have in these first two polls?

They went 7-4, including a 54-27 win over the conference champs, and returned a lion's share of players. If they rebuilt their OL, they'll be set as basically all the playmakers are back.

[MTfan4life]

Make the playoffs? Win more than 7 games (only one against a 2017 playoff team)? Beat NCAA-affiliated teams?

I’m not seeing what’s worth ranking, especially when we’re not “allowed” to consider anything prior to week 1.

You can consider things before week 1, just do better to ignore a poll that is released before teams even start practicing.

[BisonBacker]

Blast away. I voted based on games played. I thought it was a fun poll.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Villanova Wildcats
3: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Nicholls State Colonels
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Prairie View A&M Panthers
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Butler Bulldogs
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Howard Bison
23: Colgate Raiders
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Samford Bulldogs

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

I may have forgotten Kennesaw State. Debating whether or not they belong. Time will tell.

xchinscratchx

[KPSUL]

Blast away. I voted based on games played. I thought it was a fun poll.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Villanova Wildcats
3: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Nicholls State Colonels
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Prairie View A&M Panthers
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Butler Bulldogs
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Howard Bison
23: Colgate Raiders
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Samford Bulldogs

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

I may have forgotten Kennesaw State. Debating whether or not they belong. Time will tell.

Based purely on Weeks 0 and 1 performance, this is the most accurate poll posted to the thread so far, EXCEPT for Wofford and the Citadel.

[POD Knows]

Kansas sucks.
So does UTEP and SJSU, are you saying the Kansas win by Nichols is worse than a win over those bowsers. The ECU win by NCAT is a garbage FBS win as well.

[hoidOfYolen]

Man, lots of bad rankings for the Phoenix, some not even having them on their 25. Should be a great game this weekend against Furman to show we have what it takes to be elite.

[nevadagriz]

Why so much love for Montana State??? They beat a WIU team at home in a pretty ugly offensive effort. Some of you are acting like they beat an FBS team.

[POD Knows]

Why so much love for Montana State??? They beat a WIU team at home in a pretty ugly offensive effort. Some of you are acting like they beat an FBS team.MSU beat a ranked team in their opener. Why the love for UM, they barely beat UNI. Sort the same type of deal with UM and MSU in the polls this week.

[PantherRob82]

So does UTEP and SJSU, are you saying the Kansas win by Nichols is worse than a win over those bowsers. The ECU win by NCAT is a garbage FBS win as well.

NCAT has another win. NAU left no doubt.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

MSU beat a ranked team in their opener. Why the love for UM, they barely beat UNI. Sort the same type of deal with UM and MSU in the polls this week.

Dead on, they looked as good in their win if not better than we did and I think the two MVFC teams are fairly comparable at this point.

[POD Knows]

NCAT has another win. NAU left no doubt.I get the NCAT deal, I had them at 6, UTEP is the worst team in FBS, they were 0 for whatever last year and will probably finish this year with that record. Kansas would destroy UTEP.

[Mike296]

I wasn’t home to vote this week so I missed out unfortunately


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[Mike296]

I just went and tried sending poll confirmations again and it allowed about another 40 to go out but it stopped again before it finished the final 15. Probably will have to wait until tomorrow for them.

I just checked my email and I never even got the email saying voting was open. I wouldn’t have been able to vote even if I was home lol.


Edit: I should mention that my email hasn’t been working properly for a few weeks and it’s been taking multiple attempts to get emails to go through to me.

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[POD Knows]

Dead on, they looked as good in their win if not better than we did and I think the two MVFC teams are fairly comparable at this point.
Those are both good wins against ranked teams. There is a 10 spot gap in the poll with UM being 14 and MSU being 24, I had UM at 15 and MSU at 18 in my poll. Not real sure how much love the Griz poster thought MSU was getting.

[Schism55]

Mines....let slip the dogs of war xpeacex


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Wofford Terriers
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Illinois State Redbirds
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Elon Phoenix
19: Furman Paladins
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Maine Black Bears
22: San Diego Toreros
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Montana State Bobcats

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[SCPALADIN]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Carolina A&T Aggies
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Nicholls State Colonels
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Western Illinois Leathernecks
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: UC Davis Aggies


The Yo Show


The Most Significant Win: North Carolina A&T Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

No Furman or Elon...interesting xchinscratchx.

[The Yo Show]

They are on my watch list. The winner of their game this week will get ranked by next week on my list I'm sure.

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Samford Bulldogs
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Nicholls State Colonels
9: Wofford Terriers
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Furman Paladins
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Elon Phoenix
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: UC Davis Aggies

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

One of the few weeks where I had no idea what was going on. Only a couple of teams did I scratch my head on but fire away, if you dare.

[KPSUL]

Not big on posting my poll submission, but since I'm seeing fewer this time, here it is:

1: North Dakota State Bison


2: North Carolina A&T Aggies


3: James Madison Dukes


4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits


5: Villanova Wildcats


6: Eastern Washington Eagles


7: Samford Bulldogs


8: Sam Houston State Bearkats


9: Weber State Wildcats


10: Maine Black Bears


11: Nicholls State Colonels


12: Kennesaw State Owls


13: Montana Grizzlies


14: Furman Paladins


15: Illinois State Redbirds


16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks


17: Elon Phoenix


18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks


19: South Dakota Coyotes


20: Colgate Raiders


21: Montana State Bobcats


22:Northern Iowa Panthers


23: UC Davis Aggies


24: New Hampshire Wildcats


25: San Diego Toreros


KPSUL


The Most Significant Win:
North Carolina A&T Aggies

The Most Significant Loss:
New Hampshire Wildcats

Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?:
Colonial Athletic Association

[cx500d]

I didn't receive mine.

- - - Updated - - -

Sam's bye week was a rousing success.....xrolleyesx


If you quit playing for the rest of the year you should be #1 by year end.

[FUBeAR]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Wofford Terriers
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Furman Paladins
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Kennesaw State Owls
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Maine Black Bears
24: Western Illinois Leathernecks
25: Elon Phoenix

Highlights / Logic (or lack thereof)
* Had to give the Aggies a lot of love for their 2 ugly wins. They will need to win some more prettily and JaxSt and/or ECU can’t totally tank or I will have to bring A&T back down to Earth
* I also gave Villanova a lot of love for beating Temple as I think Temple has been pretty strong recently
* Maybe didn’t ‘punish’ Weber enough for a lopsided FBS loss, but the Utes have been pretty good, haven’t they?
* Moved Coyotes up a good bit for their showing
* Maybe gave UC-Davis too much of a bump. Doesn’t have to be permanent.
* Moved Furman up a few notches, despite the score, because I was at the game & saw their Starters play Clemson’s Starters close (13-0) before the Zebras stepped in to ensure the rout by pretty much gifting the tiggers 2 TD’s at the end of the 1st half. The 2nd half was a scrimmage for the reserves on both sides. Clemson JV’s beat Furman’s JV’s 21-7 if anyone wants to know that score.
* Dropped JaxSt a good bit...maybe too much...hard to say until more games are played
* Brought the Griz up & positioned UNI proportionately
* Punished the Owls for losing to a in-name-only FBS Team in a game where they were favored
* Bumped up Nicholls, NAU, Montana State, and Maine
* UNH & UD had to ‘go’...for now.

[ElCid]

Make the playoffs? Win more than 7 games (only one against a 2017 playoff team)? Beat NCAA-affiliated teams?

I’m not seeing what’s worth ranking, especially when we’re not “allowed” to consider anything prior to week 1.

I should have said, what have most teams done this year to deserve votes. Last year is fading history soon to be irrelevant. Sure, I get you need a measuring stick, but it is a new year.

[PantherRob82]

I get the NCAT deal, I had them at 6, UTEP is the worst team in FBS, they were 0 for whatever last year and will probably finish this year with that record. Kansas would destroy UTEP.

Life is getting a little weird when we are talking about Kansas destroying people. Personally I think a top 25 team should always beat Kansas. Nichols barely got it done in overtime. It's not like I just seated the playoffs, it's a week one poll and both teams get a chance to prove where they belong.

[POD Knows]

Life is getting a little weird when we are talking about Kansas destroying people. Personally I think a top 25 team should always beat Kansas. Nichols barely got it done in overtime. It's not like I just seated the playoffs, it's a week one poll and both teams get a chance to prove where they belong.:D Yea, no ****, but I think they would. UTEP makes North Texas look like Bama.

[mvemjsunpx]

(preseason ballot in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. South Dakota St. (2)
3. James Madison (3)
4. Kennesaw St. (4)
5. Sacramento St. (6)
6. Eastern Washington (7)
7. Northern Arizona (9)
8. Villanova (11)
9. Sam Houston St. (8)
10. North Carolina A&T (21)
11. Jacksonville St. (5)
12. Samford (13)
13. Nicholls St. (17)
14. Weber St. (15)
15. Elon (16)
16. Austin Peay (19)
17. Central Arkansas (20)
18. Wofford (22)
19. McNeese St. (24)
20. Furman (25)
21. Stony Brook (23)
22. South Dakota (NR)
23. Maine (NR)
24. Delaware (18)
25. UC Davis (NR)

W - North Carolina A&T
L - New Hampshire



Dropped - New Hampshire (10), Northern Iowa (12), Western Illinois (14)

[cx500d]

(preseason ballot in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. South Dakota St. (2)
3. James Madison (3)
4. Kennesaw St. (4)
5. Sacramento St. (6)
6. Eastern Washington (7)
7. Northern Arizona (9)
8. Villanova (11)
9. Sam Houston St. (8)
10. North Carolina A&T (21)
11. Jacksonville St. (5)
12. Samford (13)
13. Nicholls St. (17)
14. Weber St. (15)
15. Elon (16)
16. Austin Peay (19)
17. Central Arkansas (20)
18. Wofford (22)
19. McNeese St. (24)
20. Furman (25)
21. Stony Brook (23)
22. South Dakota (NR)
23. Maine (NR)
24. Delaware (18)
25. UC Davis (NR)

W - North Carolina A&T
L - New Hampshire



Dropped - New Hampshire (10), Northern Iowa (12), Western Illinois (14)

What a ****show...

BallSac St? Although, you were one of the few people that didn't give SHSU a bump for not paying anybody. That said, you bumped Stony Brook up two spots for getting their asses kicked by a bad Air Farce team - 4 1st downs, 75 yds of total offense?

[mvemjsunpx]

What a ****show...

BallSac St? Although, you were one of the few people that didn't give SHSU a bump for not paying anybody. That said, you bumped Stony Brook up two spots for getting their asses kicked by a bad Air Farce team - 4 1st downs, 75 yds of total offense?

If you notice, Stony Brook moved up less than the others around them. I jumped McNeese & Furman above them, but I still had to drop Delaware, UNH, UNI, & WIU below them.

[Twentysix]

1: North Dakota State (-)
2: Eastern Washington (+1)
3: James Madison (-1)
4: South Dakota State (+3)
5: North Carolina A&T (+17)
6: Maine (NR)
7: Villanova (+10)
8: Nicholls State (+5)
9: South Dakota (+15)
10: UC Davis (NR)
11: Samford (+1)
12: Illinois State (+3)
13: Northern Arizona (NR)
14: Sam Houston State (-4)
15: Montana State (+8)
16: Jacksonville State (-10)
17: Montana (NR)
18: Kennesaw State (-14)
19: Southern Illinois (NR)
20: Wofford (-)
21: McNeese (-2)
22: Western Illinois (NR)
23: Howard (NR)
24: Rhode Island (NR)
25: San Diego (-4)
26: Austin Peay (-10)
27: Prarie View AM (NR)
28: Citadel (NR)
29: Sacred Heart (NR)
30: Butler (NR)

OUT from preseason: Northern Iowa; Youngstown; New Hampshire; Delaware; Weber State; Elon; Stony Brook. Poll increased from top 25 to top 30.

I judge FCS v FBS games based on the strength of each team. An FCS team losing or losing big can be an under performance and warrant negative movement in the poll. A win or a close loss when it was unexpected can warrant positive movement. Early on an upset is worth more to the upsetter and less credit is given to the upsettee unless the game is close. Maine was the biggest movement and in my opinion they have the single best win in the FCS to date. Sometimes teams placement is a product of the them warranting staying put, and the teams around them move up or down. Of course its preseason so we will see how it all shakes out as the weeks go on. I was also impressed with NC AT and SDakota so far. IMO Kennesaw should have rolled through Georgia State if they were really top 5, they clearly aren't at this time and have suffered a large penalty because of it. I may lengthen my poll to top 35 or top 40 in future weeks. I find that as the season goes on you get a better view of the FCS doing a top 40 vs a top 25. It just makes you aware of more of the FCS. This weekend I watched in full or in part 16 FCS games.

[SCPALADIN]

Not big on posting my poll submission, but since I'm seeing fewer this time, here it is:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: North Carolina A&T Aggies
3: James Madison Dukes
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: Kennesaw State Owls
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Furman Paladins
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Colgate Raiders
21: Montana State Bobcats
22:Northern Iowa Panthers
23: UC Davis Aggies
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: San Diego Toreros


KPSUL


The Most Significant Win:
North Carolina A&T Aggies

The Most Significant Loss:
New Hampshire Wildcats

Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?:
Colonial Athletic Association


No Wofford??

[Kemo]

Blast away. I voted based on games played. I thought it was a fun poll.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Villanova Wildcats
3: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Nicholls State Colonels
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Prairie View A&M Panthers
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Butler Bulldogs
21: The Citadel Bulldogs
22: Howard Bison
23: Colgate Raiders
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Samford Bulldogs

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

I may have forgotten Kennesaw State. Debating whether or not they belong. Time will tell.
If you vote on games played, why is SDSU even in your poll?!!! xflaggedx

[SCPALADIN]

1: North Dakota State (-)
2: Eastern Washington (+1)
3: James Madison (-1)
4: South Dakota State (+3)
5: North Carolina A&T (+17)
6: Maine (NR)
7: Villanova (+10)
8: Nicholls State (+5)
9: South Dakota (+15)
10: UC Davis (NR)
11: Samford (+1)
12: Illinois State (+3)
13: Northern Arizona (NR)
14: Sam Houston State (-4)
15: Montana State (+8)
16: Jacksonville State (-10)
17: Montana (NR)
18: Kennesaw State (-14)
19: Southern Illinois (NR)
20: Wofford (-)
21: McNeese (-2)
22: Western Illinois (NR)
23: Howard (NR)
24: Rhode Island (NR)
25: San Diego (-4)
26: Austin Peay (-10)
27: Prarie View AM (NR)
28: Citadel (NR)
29: Sacred Heart (NR)
30: Butler (NR)

OUT from preseason: Northern Iowa; Youngstown; New Hampshire; Delaware; Weber State; Elon; Stony Brook. Poll increased from top 25 to top 30.

I judge FCS v FBS games based on the strength of each team. An FCS team losing or losing big can be an under performance and warrant negative movement in the poll. A win or a close loss when it was unexpected can warrant positive movement. Early on an upset is worth more to the upsetter and less credit is given to the upsettee unless the game is close. Maine was the biggest movement and in my opinion they have the single best win in the FCS to date. Sometimes teams placement is a product of the them warranting staying put, and the teams around them move up or down. Of course its preseason so we will see how it all shakes out as the weeks go on. I was also impressed with NC AT and SDakota so far. IMO Kennesaw should have rolled through Georgia State if they were really top 5, they clearly aren't at this time and have suffered a large penalty because of it. I may lengthen my poll to top 35 or top 40 in future weeks. I find that as the season goes on you get a better view of the FCS doing a top 40 vs a top 25. It just makes you aware of more of the FCS. This weekend I watched in full or in part 16 FCS games.

Um...wth? Southern Illinois at 19? Maine and UC Davis in the top 10?? No Furman but Citadel gets votes...wow.

[caribbeanhen]

Why so much love for Montana State??? They beat a WIU team at home in a pretty ugly offensive effort. Some of you are acting like they beat an FBS team.

probably because you would be Hard pressed to find 25 FCS teams that beat WIU....

[semobison]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Samford Bulldogs
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Nicholls State Colonels
9: Wofford Terriers
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Furman Paladins
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Elon Phoenix
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: UC Davis Aggies

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

One of the few weeks where I had no idea what was going on. Only a couple of teams did I scratch my head on but fire away, if you dare.

No love for the Yotes?

[Twentysix]

Um...wth? Southern Illinois at 19? Maine and UC Davis in the top 10?? No Furman but Citadel gets votes...wow.

Crazy that a team who set two records got top 20 votes? Crazy that teams with some of the best wins in the FCS to date are ranked high? Crazy that a team who lost their only game by 41 points isn't ranked? AHHH the sky is falling lmao. Citadel played #20 tough. Furman rolled over vs Clemson anyone who is rewarding a 41 point loss, even vs a top 3 team, is rewarding the wrong thing.

[TheKingpin28]

No love for the Yotes?

Nope.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28657&stc=1

As you can see, I have them on the radar, but there were 30ish teams who could have potentially made the T25 and I had them in my list, but they did not crack it. That does not mean they could not jump up into it, I just wasn't impressed with them ****ting the bed and giving up 15 unanswered points and having a complete let down of STs. 2 missed FGs and a Punt Return for a TD is bad. If they want to be in the T25, then they need to show me they can win the close games and hold on to the lead, and not crap the bed.

Oh and 21 rushes for 71 yds is bad. Streveler is going to be missed for that true dual threat purpose. IMO, Simmons might be a better passer, but Strevler has been the best FCS athlete since either Jerrick McKinnon and/or Armanti Edwards at the QB position, which says a lot. Out of all of the QBs in the FCS, for the game that NDSU plays, Streveler and Lauletta was the only QB who I wish the Bison had on their roster not named Easton Stick. Sure, Lauletta, Gubrud, and Cookus would be nice, but for the type of offense they use, Streveler was something else.

[Daytripper]

:D Yea, no ****, but I think they would. UTEP makes North Texas look like Bama.

Yeah. UTEP has Dana Dimel as HC. That is a recipe for disaster.

[TheRevSFA]

NCAT has another win. NAU left no doubt.

NAU were 8 point favorites.....

[McCowboys]

Hello McCowboys,


Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Nicholls State Colonels
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16: Colgate Raiders
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Furman Paladins
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Elon Phoenix


The Most Significant Win: Nicholls State Colonels
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

If you are criticizing others and are not taking part or have never done it, think again. It is not as easy as you think. I submitted and then immediately had second thoughts about a couple of teams. It is only week 1, however, and so things should continue to work themselves out.

At this point, do we really know in many cases if a win was really a good win or was a loss a bad one?

For me, a win on the road is a big plus. A win against a familiar opponent (i.e. Maine-UNH and Colgate-Holy Cross) is also a big plus.

[POD Knows]

Hello McCowboys,


Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Nicholls State Colonels
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16: Colgate Raiders
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Furman Paladins
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Elon Phoenix


The Most Significant Win: Nicholls State Colonels
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

If you are criticizing others and are not taking part or have never done it, think again. It is not as easy as you think. I submitted and then immediately had second thoughts about a couple of teams. It is only week 1, however, and so things should continue to work themselves out.

At this point, do we really know in many cases if a win was really a good win or was a loss a bad one?

For me, a win on the road is a big plus. A win against a familiar opponent (i.e. Maine-UNH and Colgate-Holy Cross) is also a big plus.Now you have done it.

[dbackjon]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Samford Bulldogs
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Nicholls State Colonels
9: Wofford Terriers
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Maine Black Bears
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: Western Illinois Leathernecks
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Furman Paladins
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Elon Phoenix
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: UC Davis Aggies

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: Maine Black Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

One of the few weeks where I had no idea what was going on. Only a couple of teams did I scratch my head on but fire away, if you dare.


so NAU dominates a FBS team, and still out of the poll? Lol

[semobison]

Nope.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28657&stc=1

As you can see, I have them on the radar, but there were 30ish teams who could have potentially made the T25 and I had them in my list, but they did not crack it. That does not mean they could not jump up into it, I just wasn't impressed with them ****ting the bed and giving up 15 unanswered points and having a complete let down of STs. 2 missed FGs and a Punt Return for a TD is bad. If they want to be in the T25, then they need to show me they can win the close games and hold on to the lead, and not crap the bed.

Oh and 21 rushes for 71 yds is bad. Streveler is going to be missed for that true dual threat purpose. IMO, Simmons might be a better passer, but Strevler has been the best FCS athlete since either Jerrick McKinnon and/or Armanti Edwards at the QB position, which says a lot. Out of all of the QBs in the FCS, for the game that NDSU plays, Streveler and Lauletta was the only QB who I wish the Bison had on their roster not named Easton Stick. Sure, Lauletta, Gubrud, and Cookus would be nice, but for the type of offense they use, Streveler was something else.


Obviously they are going to miss Streveler but you have a team that they beat on the road in the playoffs at 8 and the team they lost to in a shootout the next round at 6. The fact that they had K State on the ropes to me is impressive? I understand it's early and they lost a hell of a player but the Yotes have one of the best coaches in the Valley and Im not sure they will fall as far a lot of people think.

[TheKingpin28]

so NAU dominates a FBS team, and still out of the poll? Lol

UTEP is to FBS as Ivy is to FCS.

UTEP is the WORST FBS team and NAU was favored by 2 scores. What did you expect? If you look back at the bottom of page 9, you will see I did not ignore them, I just believe there are 30ish teams right now and they did not make my T25.

[TheKingpin28]

Obviously they are going to miss Streveler but you have a team that they beat on the road in the playoffs at 8 and the team they lost to in a shootout the next round at 6. The fact that they had K State on the ropes to me is impressive? I understand it's early and they lost a hell of a player but the Yotes have one of the best coaches in the Valley and Im not sure they will fall as far a lot of people think.

First off, that was last year so throw that mostly out of the window when it comes to judging teams off of players who are no longer there. Only time last year really counts is the pre-season poll and when judging how teams will fare based off of what they may or may not return.

Secondly, Streveler was 90% of their offense and you do not replace that overnight. It does not happen which leads back into point 1.

Outside of probably ST, I am one of the biggest Nielson fans/supporters (had friends play for him at Duluth) out there and he finally has the support he deserves to deliver a product, but as I said, I had them in my T30, but ****ting on STs is how teams lose. (Look at almost every Minnesota Vikings Kicker if you need proof and yes I know it is the NFL.) When that is 1/3 of the game and they disappeared for it, you better be hoping you are firing on all cylinders on offense or defense or you will lose.

[McCowboys]

Now you have done it.

My bad! I was thinking this was the ice hockey poll for a minute. xdontknowx

[POD Knows]

My bad! I was thinking this was the ice hockey poll for a minute. xdontknowxGood one :D. Your poll looks pretty solid, just curious, why did you put them in the poll? They are coming off of a terrible year, that victory over one of the worst teams in the FCS really wasn't that impressive. I think MVSU put up over 250 through the air on them.

[F'N Hawks]

Good one :D. Your poll looks pretty solid, just curious, why did you put them in the poll? They are coming off of a terrible year, that victory over one of the worst teams in the FCS really wasn't that impressive. I think MVSU put up over 250 through the air on them.

You seem concerned.

[Derby City Duke]

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/2/2018 23:10:06

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Kennesaw State Owls
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: North Carolina A&T Aggies
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Elon Phoenix
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Furman Paladins
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Montana State Bobcats

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[POD Knows]

You seem concerned.Just curious is all, not concerned. Did you rate them in the top 25? I haven't seen anybody else that posted their polls that had UND in the top 25.

[katss07]

1: North Dakota State (-)
2: Eastern Washington (+1)
3: James Madison (-1)
4: South Dakota State (+3)
5: North Carolina A&T (+17)
6: Maine (NR)
7: Villanova (+10)
8: Nicholls State (+5)
9: South Dakota (+15)
10: UC Davis (NR)
11: Samford (+1)
12: Illinois State (+3)
13: Northern Arizona (NR)
14: Sam Houston State (-4)
15: Montana State (+8)
16: Jacksonville State (-10)
17: Montana (NR)
18: Kennesaw State (-14)
19: Southern Illinois (NR)
20: Wofford (-)
21: McNeese (-2)
22: Western Illinois (NR)
23: Howard (NR)
24: Rhode Island (NR)
25: San Diego (-4)
26: Austin Peay (-10)
27: Prarie View AM (NR)
28: Citadel (NR)
29: Sacred Heart (NR)
30: Butler (NR)

OUT from preseason: Northern Iowa; Youngstown; New Hampshire; Delaware; Weber State; Elon; Stony Brook. Poll increased from top 25 to top 30.

I judge FCS v FBS games based on the strength of each team. An FCS team losing or losing big can be an under performance and warrant negative movement in the poll. A win or a close loss when it was unexpected can warrant positive movement. Early on an upset is worth more to the upsetter and less credit is given to the upsettee unless the game is close. Maine was the biggest movement and in my opinion they have the single best win in the FCS to date. Sometimes teams placement is a product of the them warranting staying put, and the teams around them move up or down. Of course its preseason so we will see how it all shakes out as the weeks go on. I was also impressed with NC AT and SDakota so far. IMO Kennesaw should have rolled through Georgia State if they were really top 5, they clearly aren't at this time and have suffered a large penalty because of it. I may lengthen my poll to top 35 or top 40 in future weeks. I find that as the season goes on you get a better view of the FCS doing a top 40 vs a top 25. It just makes you aware of more of the FCS. This weekend I watched in full or in part 16 FCS games.
I’m not getting it. Not really knocking you, but I just want some justification on a few teams and why you put them where you did.

Why did EWU move up after blowing out a lower level team, while you punish JMU for playing a very good FBS team pretty close? If New Hampshire is really a team that shouldn’t be ranked, why have you moved Maine into the top 10? Why is Sam ranked so low, what do you see in them that others don’t (other than JMU killed them two years ago). Why has WIU been ranked after a loss. And they aren’t just ranked, they moved up considerably. I’ll assume that if Sam does beat PV on Saturday, the Kats will move up? I’ll agree with you that the Panthers deserve credit, but are they better than UNI? Weber? Elon? Lots of questions...

The AGS poll looks great, no real question marks. Think it turned out good as usual. We have some good matchups this week!

[BEAR]

Looking at these different polls maybe next year I will participate. Some have UCA around #7 while others have them off the poll altogether! Some have New Hampshire top 10 and others have them gone. Most have Nicholls moving up and even Sammy moved up in one poll...on their bye week. I see some extra footwork will have to go into it next year! Props to all who do this!

[McCowboys]

Good one :D. Your poll looks pretty solid, just curious, why did you put them in the poll? They are coming off of a terrible year, that victory over one of the worst teams in the FCS really wasn't that impressive. I think MVSU put up over 250 through the air on them.

I think the Fighting Hawks were in the ORV category in the preseason AGS poll. ? They beat a not-so-good team convincingly as they should have done. They moved the ball on the ground and through the air. MVSU couldn't run, and so they had to pass. UND has a new quarterback who sat out last year who did a good job and has a good all-purpose yards guy. I probably ranked them too high. We'll see how the rest of the season plays out. They have a very tough one this week.

[McCowboys]

Just curious is all, not concerned. Did you rate them in the top 25? I haven't seen anybody else that posted their polls that had UND in the top 25.

Doesn't it just irk you that so many people can be so wrong! :-)

[POD Knows]

Doesn't it just irk you that so many people can be so wrong! :-)Yea, generally it does, not in this case though I am afraid. UND has Washington and SHSU back to back in the upcoming weeks. I don't like their chances.

[semobison]

First off, that was last year so throw that mostly out of the window when it comes to judging teams off of players who are no longer there. Only time last year really counts is the pre-season poll and when judging how teams will fare based off of what they may or may not return.

Secondly, Streveler was 90% of their offense and you do not replace that overnight. It does not happen which leads back into point 1.

Outside of probably ST, I am one of the biggest Nielson fans/supporters (had friends play for him at Duluth) out there and he finally has the support he deserves to deliver a product, but as I said, I had them in my T30, but ****ting on STs is how teams lose. (Look at almost every Minnesota Vikings Kicker if you need proof and yes I know it is the NFL.) When that is 1/3 of the game and they disappeared for it, you better be hoping you are firing on all cylinders on offense or defense or you will lose.

You lost me when you brought up the Vikings!:D

[TheKingpin28]

You lost me when you brought up the Vikings!:D

It must have gone wide left on you.

[dbackjon]

UTEP is to FBS as Ivy is to FCS.

UTEP is the WORST FBS team and NAU was favored by 2 scores. What did you expect? If you look back at the bottom of page 9, you will see I did not ignore them, I just believe there are 30ish teams right now and they did not make my T25.
Favored by 8. Won at an FBS by 20.

Better win win than the most of the teams in your “poll”

[Twentysix]

I’m not getting it. Not really knocking you, but I just want some justification on a few teams and why you put them where you did.

Why did EWU move up after blowing out a lower level team, while you punish JMU for playing a very good FBS team pretty close? If New Hampshire is really a team that shouldn’t be ranked, why have you moved Maine into the top 10? Why is Sam ranked so low, what do you see in them that others don’t (other than JMU killed them two years ago). Why has WIU been ranked after a loss. And they aren’t just ranked, they moved up considerably. I’ll assume that if Sam does beat PV on Saturday, the Kats will move up? I’ll agree with you that the Panthers deserve credit, but are they better than UNI? Weber? Elon? Lots of questions...

The AGS poll looks great, no real question marks. Think it turned out good as usual. We have some good matchups this week!

IMO JMU slightly under performed vs NC State and lost ground, EWU performed exactly as expected and stayed the same, hence JMU fell down one slot to 3rd, EWU moved up to 2nd, from 3rd. As explained in the post you quoted "Early on an upset is worth more to the upsetter and less credit is given to the upsettee unless the game is close." Hence, what happened in the UNH Maine game greatly benefits Maine and negatively impacts UNH substantially, I have no doubt UNH will earn their way back up the poll, but until then they can take the licks they have earned. Sam Houston lost 4 spots by not playing yet and other teams surpassing them with FBS wins, or extremely strong performances vs what was expected, as a team (quite literally) they have done nothing to earn their spot and have been over ranked for a few seasons, there is no reason to keep a 0-0 SHSU ahead of teams who already have a good win/unexpectedly strong performances. WIU lost a road game by 3 points in the last 4 minutes of the game to a team who I already had in my top 25. WIU was my first team out of my top 25 in the preaseason. They had a good showing and moved up accordingly vs teams who have not shown anything yet or have under performed from where they were at/expected from the preseason. I find it interesting that you find moving from 26 to 22 moving up considerably, and kind of makes me wonder how many FCS games you actually watched between week 0 and last sunday night. Would you mind telling me so I can better understand the complexity of your opinions? UNI was decimated by UM early on and moved their way back into the game late. It was a spark of life that shows UNI might have life for the season, but it wasn't the kind of performance that I wanted to see out of my #25 team, and thus they have dropped out of my top 30. The way the griz slice and diced them for the entire first half of that game was very disappointing. Were you disappointed in UNI's performance while you followed the game? Or was it what you expected to see? Utah dominated weber, hell weber only managed 3 first downs the entire game. I didn't expect Weber to win that game, but I'm very disappointed by the complete dismantling they underwent, 59 yards vs 587 yards. If weber has semblances of last season, they can earn their way back, but after 1 week they have massively underachieved. Again, I didn't expect a win, but I am not satisfied with under 60 yards and only 3 first downs. Keep in mind Weber was +4 in turnovers vs Utah and lost 41-10, 59 yards to 587 yards. Why are you valuing them so high? I'm not super high on Elon and wasn't in the preseason. They did better than some other teams vs their FBS foe, but I remain in wait and see mode for Elon.

I will await your reply and I hope that you genuinely answer the questions I have posed for you.

[TheKingpin28]

Favored by 8. Won at an FBS by 20.

Better win win than the most of the teams in your “poll”

Then prove it against EWU. You have them at home and this is your chance to prove they belong in there. Again, calling UTEP FBS is like calling the Ivies FCS. UTEP has had 1 winning season this decade. Keep pounding the drum all you want, but until you prove it against equal/better competition, I am not buying what NAU is selling.

[Twentysix]

Also Katss07, please post your poll and your movements from pre to 1.

[POD Knows]

Then prove it against EWU. You have them at home and this is your chance to prove they belong in there. Again, calling UTEP FBS is like calling the Ivies FCS. UTEP has had 1 winning season this decade. Keep pounding the drum all you want, but until you prove it against equal/better competition, I am not buying what NAU is selling.Don't insult the Ivy's like that, they are head and shoulders above what is UTEP when it comes to football. There are Ivy teams that can compete with some of the FCS, UTEP can't compete with anybody in FBS. The program is a joke and the win is a margin plus win at best. I had NAU in my top 25 but I doubt they will stay there, I also have a hard time washing out my eyes from their playoff appearances, the horror, the horror. NAU doesn't exactly have the type of tradition that warrants a lot of respect.

[Twentysix]

Don't insult the Ivy's like that, they are head and shoulders above what is UTEP when it comes to football. There are Ivy teams that can compete with some of the FCS, UTEP can't compete with anybody in FBS. The program is a joke and the win is a margin plus win at best. I had NAU in my top 25 but I doubt they will stay there, I also have a hard time washing out my eyes from their playoff appearances, the horror, the horror. NAU doesn't exactly have the type of tradition that warrants a lot of respect.

Now that we have a week, and in some cases 2, in the books. Tradition means less and less as far as your poll should go. NAU executed a substantial win over a crappy FBS program. As a win it won't carry loads of weight throughout the season, but as of right now its one of the 10 best wins in the FCS.

[Derby City Duke]

IMO JMU slightly under performed vs NC State and lost ground...

I will await your reply and I hope that you genuinely answer the questions I have posed for you.

I would respectfully disagree that JMU underperformed. They spread was 11, the final was 24-13 and it was a 4 point game with a minute to go. JMU started 10 new defensive players against a QB who many think will be one of the top 2-3 in the '19 draft. Lost the conference DPOY to season-ending surgery 2 days before the game and was missing 4 other projected starters for this game.

Total yardage was close between the teams (less than 30 yards difference and both teams averaged 5.4 yds/play); yds/pass att was w/in half yard between the QBs. Biggest play was our fumble at the State 5 yard line.

It's your poll and you can vote as you please, but I think your reasoning with JMU is misplaced this week. Now if we lose to the other MEAC juggernaut, Norfolk State, I won't question your logic.

[TheKingpin28]

Don't insult the Ivy's like that, they are head and shoulders above what is UTEP when it comes to football. There are Ivy teams that can compete with some of the FCS, UTEP can't compete with anybody in FBS. The program is a joke and the win is a margin plus win at best. I had NAU in my top 25 but I doubt they will stay there, I also have a hard time washing out my eyes from their playoff appearances, the horror, the horror. NAU doesn't exactly have the type of tradition that warrants a lot of respect.

The Ivies want nothing to do with the FCS as a whole, which parallels what UTEP is to the FBS, in which they want/have nothing to do with it either. I try not put weight into last season, except when warranted a la USeD and Streveler, but Cookus was praised about how he was the next star of the FCS and has done **** with it. The kid has the skills to do it, but whenever it comes time to nut up or shut up, they completely go silent and wonder how they got there. If they beat EWU, I will eat crow, but I fully expect EWU to blow the -1.5 out of the water. (VegasInsider BTW)

[katss07]

Also Katss07, please post your poll and your movements from pre to 1.
I am actually not a voter, although I am considering becoming one down the line. I don’t think that makes my opinion any less relevant though.

Just so you know, I wasn’t knocking you at all. Just wanted a few explanations. On the WIU-Montana St game, I don’t think Western deserves to move up (and I consider 4 spots moving up quite a bit). Sure they lost to a good team on the road but I don’t think that justifies moving them to 22. Montana did decimate UNI for two and a half quarters. The Panthers were not particularly good in any area. Defense was strong in the second half, but I was not impressed by the O at all, even in the second half. I do think UNI, along with Weber (I wasn’t expecting WS to win), are much better than some of the teams ahead of them in your poll. For example, I understand WHY you might have put Howard or SIU or Butler or even PV ahead of these two teams I mentioned, but I don’t think 1. SIU, Howard, Butler, ect. could beat UNI or Weber and 2. any of these teams have done near enough to prove themselves as top 25 or top 30 teams. While yes, the two aforementioned teams did disappoint, I don’t think it was near enough to drop them from the poll. I admittedly didn’t look too deep into the Weber game, but I don’t think it matters all that much considering they are playing a pretty good FBS team. I think we maybe just disagree on the weight of an FCS/FBS game on that matter.

I now understand your explanation behing the UNH-Maine situation and why you stuck Sam at 14 (although I don’t think a team that just makes the semis can be overrated). Thanks for the explanation. I meant no hostility in that post, just wanted to know your thoughts.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I admit I voted before NC A&T beat ECU but I had already expected them to so it did not really effect my vote. ECU is very bad. ECU, Charlotte, Georgia State, etc would not be top 5 in FCS in my mind so I treated those like games against top 15 caliber FCS teams. People don't realize that the bottom 20-30 of FBS are probably not even top 5 in FCS.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I would respectfully disagree that JMU underperformed. They spread was 11, the final was 24-13 and it was a 4 point game with a minute to go. JMU started 10 new defensive players against a QB who many think will be one of the top 2-3 in the '19 draft. Lost the conference DPOY to season-ending surgery 2 days before the game and was missing 4 other projected starters for this game.

Total yardage was close between the teams (less than 30 yards difference and both teams averaged 5.4 yds/play); yds/pass att was w/in half yard between the QBs. Biggest play was our fumble at the State 5 yard line.

It's your poll and you can vote as you please, but I think your reasoning with JMU is misplaced this week. Now if we lose to the other MEAC juggernaut, Norfolk State, I won't question your logic.

I thought JMU did well. They had 5 defenders out and among them were their best DL and a top 3 CB in FCS. Most teams who are without 5 key defenders (2 being stars) would have gotten handled badly on defense and worn down. JMU did not so I'm with you that they did well. When they get those others back except for Robinson they should be much tougher. They also faced a QB who will likely go in the top 50-75 picks of the 2019 NFL Draft. JMU should be very proud. They are a top 2 FCS team until I see someone besides NDSU beat them.

[Twentysix]

I would respectfully disagree that JMU underperformed. They spread was 11, the final was 24-13 and it was a 4 point game with a minute to go. JMU started 10 new defensive players against a QB who many think will be one of the top 2-3 in the '19 draft. Lost the conference DPOY to season-ending surgery 2 days before the game and was missing 4 other projected starters for this game.

Total yardage was close between the teams (less than 30 yards difference and both teams averaged 5.4 yds/play); yds/pass att was w/in half yard between the QBs. Biggest play was our fumble at the State 5 yard line.

It's your poll and you can vote as you please, but I think your reasoning with JMU is misplaced this week. Now if we lose to the other MEAC juggernaut, Norfolk State, I won't question your logic.

JMU dropped from 2 to 3, not from 2 to 21. If you lose to Norfolk State JMU will be lucky to be top 20.

[Redbird 4th & short]

JMU dropped from 2 to 3, not from 2 to 21. If you lose to Norfolk State JMU will be lucky to be top 20.
dare i say ... the dawn of a new era ... west coast bias !!

xnodx xdrunkyx

[Twentysix]

I am actually not a voter, although I am considering becoming one down the line. I don’t think that makes my opinion any less relevant though.

I agree, voting or not voting does not make your opinions more or less valid. The amount of FCS football across the league that you are taking in is what makes opinions valid/less valid. Some people like to watch only the team they root for then try to insert themselves into the poll conversation. Thats no bueno. And I'm not at all saying you are doing that, but thats where the concern comes in.

I would hope that a poll voter is watching a minimum of 10 FCS games a weekend across at least 4 conferences.

[Redbird 4th & short]

I agree, voting or not voting does not make your opinions more or less valid. The amount of FCS football across the league that you are taking in is what makes opinions valid/less valid. Some people like to watch only the team they root for then try to insert themselves into the poll conversation. Thats no bueno. And I'm not at all saying you are doing that, but thats where the concern comes in.

I would hope that a poll voter is watching a minimum of 10 FCS games a weekend across at least 4 conferences.

thats over 30 hours in one day ... not possible, given games run from over a 9 hour cycle or so. everyone pretty much plays saturday.

[Twentysix]

thats over 30 hours in one day ... not possible, given games run from over a 9 hour cycle or so. everyone pretty much plays saturday.

Yea you watch more than one game at a time ;). And you don't always watch each game from start to finish. You can also utilize ESPN3/+ replay feature.

[R.A.]

Seriously Clark.

We're one of the best teams in the FCS, if not the best.

You all just can't see it yet.

But anybody that's been watching us from last year to this year, knows who we are.

We went 7-4 last year.

We have the same team, and our quarterback just put up 500 plus yards of total offense, on an FBS team that's projected to win their conference...

But, let's just see what we do this week versus Kent State. I project that we put up 50 plus points on them in a route.

[Twentysix]

We're one of the best teams in the FCS, if not the best.

You all just can't see it yet.

But anybody that's been watching us from last year to this year, knows who we are.

We went 7-4 last year.

We have the same team, and our quarterback just put up 500 plus yards of total offense, on an FBS team that's projected to win their conference...

But, let's just see what we do this week versus Kent State. I project that we put up 50 plus points on them in a route.

It will be very impressive if howard throttles kent and WIU gets throttled by Illinois.

Many people will compare the WIU/Illinois game to the Howard/Kent game. You should keep tabs on both this weekend.

[WileECoyote06]

Yea you watch more than one game at a time ;). And you don't always watch each game from start to finish. You can also utilize ESPN3/+ replay feature.

Do you have time to go to your own team's games, or any local games if you're away from ND?

I applaud your efforts to be as well informed as possible, but I have serious doubts that your average pollster is watching 10 FCS games per weekend. I have a toddler, and that can't happen in my household. If everyone else is, whew. . .more power to you.

[Derby City Duke]

JMU dropped from 2 to 3, not from 2 to 21. If you lose to Norfolk State JMU will be lucky to be top 20.

I'm not disagreeing with you dropping them, just your logic in doing so. I don't know what you mean by 'slightly underperforming.' I quite frankly don't care much where people rank the Dukes -- to each his own. I don't even have them #2 in my own poll.

[MR. CHICKEN]

The biggest complaint I may get is overrating wins and performances against some mediocre FBS competition. To treat this as more of a power ranking in the early weeks than I did in prior years ---

1. North Dakota State (-)
2. James Madison (-)
3. South Dakota State (-)
4. Sam Houston State (+4)
5. Villanova (+15)
6. Samford (-1)
7. Montana (+5)
8. UC Davis (New) - Clearly where I was more impressed than the rest of the voters. Scoreline didn't seem indicative, but we'll see how defense holds up in a very competitive Big Sky. They'll obviously drop a couple games this year, but for now they have shown more.
9. Eastern Washington (+1)
10. Illinois State (+3)
11. North Carolina A&T (+7)
12. South Dakota (New) - Another major divergence. Even though they didn't pull it off, I was stunned this one was even close.
13. Northern Arizona (New)
14. Nicholls State (-)
15. Kennesaw State (-11) - Gotta beat Georgia State. Very unimpressive for a team that expects to go deep into the FCS playoffs to drop an easy FBS match.
16. Weber State (-7) - I suspect they'll recover and I may have been too harsh, but teams like South Dakota were a bit more impressive against a similar level of FBS team.
17. Elon (-6)
18. Wofford (-3)
19. Maine (New)
20. Furman (-3)
21. Central Arkansas (+3)
22. Jacksonville State (-6)
23. McNeese State (-1)
24. Southeastern Louisiana (New)
25. New Hampshire (-19)

Dropped Out: #7 Delaware, #19 Stony Brook, #21 Idaho, #23 Austin Peay, #25 Youngstown State

Also Considered: (North Alabama), Southern Utah, William & Mary, Yale, Austin Peay, Rhode Island, Delaware, Montana State, Western Illinois, Stony Brook

Definitely not considering Northern Iowa still.

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.....NORFFERN IOWA ON DUH ROAD IN UH CLOSE ONE......PLEASE CONSIDER.......AWK!

[caribbeanhen]

is Kennesaw State running Infomercials on this site? talk about a love affair, it will end bad! Last 2 games they have lost to FCS whipping boy Sammy and laughing stock Georgia State.... Love is blind.

[SCPALADIN]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Furman Paladins
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: UC Davis Aggies
25: South Dakota Coyotes

SCPALADIN

The Most Significant Win: North Carolina A&T Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southern Conference

[Reign of Terrier]

I agree, voting or not voting does not make your opinions more or less valid. The amount of FCS football across the league that you are taking in is what makes opinions valid/less valid. Some people like to watch only the team they root for then try to insert themselves into the poll conversation. Thats no bueno. And I'm not at all saying you are doing that, but thats where the concern comes in.

I would hope that a poll voter is watching a minimum of 10 FCS games a weekend across at least 4 conferences.

I'm going to come off as a little more pretentious and contrarian (than usual) here, but don't take it the wrong way.

This is an absolute bull**** standard of credibility that no one has ever lived up to at any level of college football voting.

The idea that one could watch more than, like, 2-3 games (let alone 2-3 FCS games) is less than 10 years old and is attributable to ESPN3, etc. People who brag about how much FCS football they watch as if it's an argument for their credibility are actually just virtue signaling to justify their biases.

Computer rankings are flawed because of systemic information weaknesses I've harped on before, but they go on the raw stats, which I think is a better measurable standard than "I watched them." In reality, we only need to have a "predictive" top 8, but going by the stat line and putting in as much effort as AP voters do is 100% acceptable.

[RootinFerDukes]

JMU dropped from 2 to 3, not from 2 to 21. If you lose to Norfolk State JMU will be lucky to be top 20.

He pointed out how your logic was flawed. A single rank is a big difference to bring a team down when they "met expectations" with all "on-paper" metrics. The only thing you could nitpick was they didn't score enough. I'll give that a pass with a new QB and many new receivers starting.

[RootinFerDukes]

I'm not disagreeing with you dropping them, just your logic in doing so. I don't know what you mean by 'slightly underperforming.' I quite frankly don't care much where people rank the Dukes -- to each his own. I don't even have them #2 in my own poll.

I do kind of wonder why you put KSU ahead of JMU after the performance from each last week. Even with a win over GSU, outside of an outstanding blowout win for KSU, I'd scratch my head at them at 2 while JMU was 3.

[POD Knows]

I do kind of wonder why you put KSU ahead of JMU after the performance from each last week. Even with a win over GSU, outside of an outstanding blowout win for KSU, I'd scratch my head at them at 2 while JMU was 3.Anybody that puts KSU ahead of JMU now, with this weekends results is an idiot.

[dbackjon]

Don't insult the Ivy's like that, they are head and shoulders above what is UTEP when it comes to football. There are Ivy teams that can compete with some of the FCS, UTEP can't compete with anybody in FBS. The program is a joke and the win is a margin plus win at best. I had NAU in my top 25 but I doubt they will stay there, I also have a hard time washing out my eyes from their playoff appearances, the horror, the horror. NAU doesn't exactly have the type of tradition that warrants a lot of respect.. Using last year’s results for this year’s poll. And you’re still a voter why?

[Derby City Duke]

Anybody that puts KSU ahead of JMU now, with this weekends results is an idiot.

Guess I am an idiot -- KSU was 2 in my preseason; JMU 3. I don't tend to penalize teams with FBS losses unless they lay a complete egg (Idaho for example) -- though I missed the AF/Stony Brook box score. I should've dropped them some.

I know most people on here can't stand Georgia State and believe they are pseudo-FBS, but they did finish with 7 wins last year and beat a decent WKU team in their bowl game. Maybe KSU should've beat them, but maybe GSU wins 7+ games again this year.

I am confident that stuff will sort itself out over the next 4 weeks.

[POD Knows]

. Using last year’s results for this year’s poll. And you’re still a voter why?I use history and traditions as a basis, a small basis, for my poll. BTW, my poll ended up looking a hell of a lot closer to the final product here than yours did. You gonna bitch now that I didn't give NAU a higher spot in my poll because of that super awesome victory over the worst team in FBS? Also, the comments regarding the ASS KICKING by San Diego was more tongue in cheek than anything. I try to do my polling looking out as well, I want my current poll to maybe reflect where I see the year ending. I don't automatically reward the one game, flash in the pan team. I also look at where I had my teams in the pre-season poll and work off of that.

I will stand by my poll here, go ahead and compare it to the finished product. Everybody brags about how good the poll is, if that is true, than my week one poll is pretty solid.

[TheKingpin28]

We're one of the best teams in the FCS, if not the best.

You all just can't see it yet.

But anybody that's been watching us from last year to this year, knows who we are.

We went 7-4 last year.

We have the same team, and our quarterback just put up 500 plus yards of total offense, on an FBS team that's projected to win their conference...

But, let's just see what we do this week versus Kent State. I project that we put up 50 plus points on them in a route.

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[POD Knows]

Guess I am an idiot -- KSU was 2 in my preseason; JMU 3. I don't tend to penalize teams with FBS losses unless they lay a complete egg (Idaho for example) -- though I missed the AF/Stony Brook box score. I should've dropped them some.

I know most people on here can't stand Georgia State and believe they are pseudo-FBS, but they did finish with 7 wins last year and beat a decent WKU team in their bowl game. Maybe KSU should've beat them, but maybe GSU wins 7+ games again this year.

I am confident that stuff will sort itself out over the next 4 weeks.Yea, it will and sorry for being harsh, but I do not see why KSU, after what I consider to be a somewhat of a under performance against Georgia State, being rated ahead of JMU. JMU has a ton of personnel back this year, played tough against a far superior opponent than KSU did in the opener. I respect your opinion but I am not seeing it. I have watched JMU the last few years and the last two JMU teams that NDSU played against were head and shoulders above anything we have faced since 2010. I know people say you aren't supposed to look back but "quality" carries over from year to year and I use that in the early polls. In my never humble opinion, JMU would beat KSU like a dog if you played them next weekend and I think most people here concur.

Again, sorry for the insult. Do you have KSU in 2nd place in this poll. I didn't see you submitted poll.

[ElCid]

thats over 30 hours in one day ... not possible, given games run from over a 9 hour cycle or so. everyone pretty much plays saturday.

i watched at least 10 games, probably more. Not the entire game obviously, but enough to see teams in action. I had 5 up at the same time at one point. I just kept switching between games as the plays happened. Pretty easy to do. Keeping up with the sound was harder...muting and unmuting.

[Bison56]

i watched at least 10 games, probably more. Not the entire game obviously, but enough to see teams in action. I had 5 up at the same time at one point. I just kept switching between games as the plays happened. Pretty easy to do. Keeping up with the sound was harder...muting and unmuting.

I usually have my phone, computer, and TV running at the same time and switch between games. Like ElCid said, it is easy to do, and you can get a good idea of how a team is doing without having to watch from the first snap until the last.

[ST_Lawson]

On the WIU-Montana St game, I don’t think Western deserves to move up (and I consider 4 spots moving up quite a bit). Sure they lost to a good team on the road but I don’t think that justifies moving them to 22.

I don't vote either, but I sure wouldn't have moved WIU up after last weekend. Personally I would have probably dropped us a spot or two, but I could see a case for keeping us where we were at (lost a close one on the road to a higher-ranked team, for those that had MT State higher than WIU). I know for myself personally, what I saw on the field last Thursday was nowhere near what I was expecting to see from us. I realize it was the first game, but there were too many mistakes and some questionable playcalling. MT State is absolutely a good team, but some of the issues that we had didn't have anything to do with how good the Bobcats were and were pretty much of our own doing.

[WileECoyote06]

I'm going to come off as a little more pretentious and contrarian (than usual) here, but don't take it the wrong way.

This is an absolute bull**** standard of credibility that no one has ever lived up to at any level of college football voting.

The idea that one could watch more than, like, 2-3 games (let alone 2-3 FCS games) is less than 10 years old and is attributable to ESPN3, etc. People who brag about how much FCS football they watch as if it's an argument for their credibility are actually just virtue signaling to justify their biases.

Computer rankings are flawed because of systemic information weaknesses I've harped on before, but they go on the raw stats, which I think is a better measurable standard than "I watched them." In reality, we only need to have a "predictive" top 8, but going by the stat line and putting in as much effort as AP voters do is 100% acceptable.

*chuckle*

[nevadagriz]

Those are both good wins against ranked teams. There is a 10 spot gap in the poll with UM being 14 and MSU being 24, I had UM at 15 and MSU at 18 in my poll. Not real sure how much love the Griz poster thought MSU was getting.

Sorry late to get back I was referencing one poll that had MSU at #9 and another that had them top 15! Not overall.

[Derby City Duke]

Yea, it will and sorry for being harsh, but I do not see why KSU, after what I consider to be a somewhat of a under performance against Georgia State, being rated ahead of JMU. JMU has a ton of personnel back this year, played tough against a far superior opponent than KSU did in the opener. I respect your opinion but I am not seeing it. I have watched JMU the last few years and the last two JMU teams that NDSU played against were head and shoulders above anything we have faced since 2010. I know people say you aren't supposed to look back but "quality" carries over from year to year and I use that in the early polls. In my never humble opinion, JMU would beat KSU like a dog if you played them next weekend and I think most people here concur.

Again, sorry for the insult. Do you have KSU in 2nd place in this poll. I didn't see you submitted poll.

No offense taken xthumbsupx

My poll is back on page 11 or so. I need to update it and repost with the position change for each school.

KSU/JMU were 2/3 in my preseason and stayed there after this week. While we were competitive with NC State I never felt like we were going to do enough to win the game. 10 new starters on the defensive side of the ball and we couldn't handle their receivers. Finley played pitch and catch most of the day and our run defense finally petered out on their last drive. We also didn't take but 1 downfield shot and it was almost picked. QB had a nice day, but it was low-risk/low-reward kind of stuff.

Maybe we would boat race KSU (that would have to be in the playoffs this year), but again unless an FCS team win vs. FBS or gets crushed, I'm hesitant to move them. I also try not to penalize/reward teams that didn't play unless there are some very unusual results that would force me to move them.

[smilo]

.......DELAWARE PREVIOUSLAH.....#7 IN YER POLL........DROPS MO' DAN 18 SPOTS......FO' 2 POINT LOSS & HENS COUGHED UP ONE TD...TA RAMS?....xconfusedx....RHODEY IS BETTER BUT YOU-DEE....PLAYED DOWN......NO PROB WHIFF HENS OUT OF POLL.....JES'......AMOUNT UH PUNISHMENT.......YA INFLICTED............BRAWK!

.....NORFFERN IOWA ON DUH ROAD IN UH CLOSE ONE......PLEASE CONSIDER.......AWK!

Delaware was just out. This is a complete re-rank not slot voting from a preseason poll. If you can't beat Rhode Island in Week 1, and I am not ranking Rhode Island, this should come as no surprise. If future results show that either deserves to be ranked, only then will I re-evaluate.

I'd hesitate to call the Northern Iowa loss close in anything but score. Eli Dunne is simply not a starting QB for a ranked team - as was my mindset in the preseason. I'm not ranking them based on how his back-up played in garbage time because Montana stopped playing too soon. Let them prove me wrong.

[RootinFerDukes]

I know most people on here can't stand Georgia State and believe they are pseudo-FBS, but they did finish with 7 wins last year and beat a decent WKU team in their bowl game. Maybe KSU should've beat them, but maybe GSU wins 7+ games again this year. Yeah this is my reasoning for why I didn't feel the need to penalize KSU in my poll for their FBS loss (albeit bad how they lost choking in the end). GSU isn't as bad of an FBS team as most on here want to believe. They were a bowl winning team after all. That's approximately middle of the FBS pack.

[ElCid]

Yeah this is my reasoning for why I didn't feel the need to penalize KSU in my poll for their FBS loss (albeit bad how they lost choking in the end). GSU isn't as bad of an FBS team as most on here want to believe. They were a bowl winning team after all. That's approximately middle of the FBS pack.


A bowl win isn't what it used to be. There are simply too many and anyone can seemingly get in these days. Ga St is still a bottom third, maybe bottom quarter, FBS team. I dropped KSU by a little, but I think I over-rated them to begin with, and other teams jumped them in any event.

[FUBeAR]

Yeah this is my reasoning for why I didn't feel the need to penalize KSU in my poll for their FBS loss (albeit bad how they lost choking in the end). GSU isn't as bad of an FBS team as most on here want to believe. They were a bowl winning team after all. That's approximately middle of the FBS pack.You know this Bowl-Winning Team lost to a next-to-last (only 1-10 Tennessee Tech finished lower in the conference standings) OVC Team, right?

[MR. CHICKEN]

Delaware was just out. This is a complete re-rank not slot voting from a preseason poll. If you can't beat Rhode Island in Week 1, and I am not ranking Rhode Island, this should come as no surprise. If future results show that either deserves to be ranked, only then will I re-evaluate.

I'd hesitate to call the Northern Iowa loss close in anything but score. Eli Dunne is simply not a starting QB for a ranked team - as was my mindset in the preseason. I'm not ranking them based on how his back-up played in garbage time because Montana stopped playing too soon. Let them prove me wrong.

......YOU....MISGUIDEDLAH.....HAD DELAWARE TOO HIGH TA START..#7....AH HAD 'EM #18......IT WOODN'T BE SLOT VOTIN'.....TA DROP 'EM SOMEWHERE IN BOTTOM 18....FROM SUCH UH LOFTY SPOT......FUNNY HOW....YOUSE LADS WHOM....REWRITE YER POLLS.......EACH WEEK........HOW IT STILL LEADS TA AGS POLL COMPARIN'.....PRETTY MUCH.... TA ALL NATIONAL POLLS.....WEEK IN AND OUT.............BRAWK!

....NORFFERN IOWA........WAS OWN-LAH OUT-PLAYED.....BAH 80 YARDS......&....UH FG.....ON DUH ROAD.......AWK!

[Catbooster]

/S If we want a standard of watching 10 FCS games minimum to be eligible to vote, maybe we also need to set a standard of how many minutes from each game - and when that game is sampled. xcoffeex /s I may have several games on my computer/tv at a time, but I'd be fooling myself if I thought I was really watching all of those closely enough to really know how well each team was playing. And even if I am watching a game closely, if I only see 5 or 10 minutes of one quarter, am I really getting good information? Sometimes one drive can last that long.

Take the two Montana teams this week for an example. WIU was basically in control of our game in the first half. MSU gradually caught up and then finally took the lead with about 4 minutes left and won the game. You might get different ideas of how good each team is depending on what part of the game you watched. Or in the other game, UM was ahead 26-0 at half, but UNI came back in the second half to score 23 unanswered points and was within reach of winning. You could have gotten completely different opinions depending on which quarter you watched. IMO, watching part of a game does not necessarily give you a better insight than reading recaps, etc.

None of this is intended to imply that watching more games is not desirable or preferable. But I think it's silly to say that if you don't watch 10 FCS games every weekend you shouldn't be voting. Especially if having the game on for 5 or 10 minutes counts.

[MR. CHICKEN]

.......YOUSE CAN GET..........PLENTY UH INFO......FROM BOX SCORES.....xnodx....BRAWK!

[WileECoyote06]

.......YOUSE CAN GET..........PLENTY UH INFO......FROM BOX SCORES.....xnodx....BRAWK!

That's reasonable. But according to Twenty-Six you should be watching 10 FCS games across at least four conferences.

If that's the standard, it may be time for me to stop voting. I'm too busy tailgating and enjoying actual games to keep up with that.

[semobison]

.......YOUSE CAN GET..........PLENTY UH INFO......FROM BOX SCORES.....xnodx....BRAWK!

No wiser words has a Chicken ever spoke!xthumbsupx

[Professor Chaos]

.......YOUSE CAN GET..........PLENTY UH INFO......FROM BOX SCORES.....xnodx....BRAWK!


No wiser words has a Chicken ever spoke!xthumbsupx
I agree. While I understand the point that the eye test is a good way to gauge teams against each other it's also inherently flawed by the fact that unless you watch every team in consideration every week you're missing things and some teams might be getting the benefit of the doubt based on when you watched them they played well while others don't based on when you watched them they played poorly.

Beyond that you miss things watching games especially if you're watching multiple games at once. There's one team I watch (almost) every play of every game of and that's NDSU. Yet pretty much every week I'll bring up their box score and see something interesting that I missed. For instance last week I knew they ran the ball well but when I saw they ran for 458 yards at 10 yards per carry as a team I was kind of floored that they ran it that well.

The eye test is nice but it can be plenty biased and shouldn't be relied upon as the primary metric to rank teams unless, like I said earlier, you watch every team under consideration for your rankings every week. It's not that tough to bring up the box score for every team under consideration and, while it still doesn't tell the whole story, it's a way to compare teams evenly while still maintaining a life outside of voting in the AGS poll. xtwocentsx

[UNAPride]

So, did UNA receive votes in this poll? It's very confusing.

I run UNAPride.com and would like to share on our social media, if so.

[UNAPride]

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

So, did UNA receive votes in this poll? It's very confusing.

I run UNAPride.com and would like to share on our social media, if so.

No, UNA is not eligible for the poll until they are eligible for either a conference title or an NCAA playoff berth.

UNA folks as much as we want you to talk with and appreciate your team I get the feeling AGS Poll will not be your cup of tea for a while.

If UNA has to receive votes in the poll to be published somewhere then those are the breaks and we will have to endure I suppose. I do look forward to the day UNA is eligible though just so that is clear.xthumbsupx

[Reign of Terrier]

/S If we want a standard of watching 10 FCS games minimum to be eligible to vote, maybe we also need to set a standard of how many minutes from each game - and when that game is sampled. xcoffeex /s I may have several games on my computer/tv at a time, but I'd be fooling myself if I thought I was really watching all of those closely enough to really know how well each team was playing. And even if I am watching a game closely, if I only see 5 or 10 minutes of one quarter, am I really getting good information? Sometimes one drive can last that long.

Take the two Montana teams this week for an example. WIU was basically in control of our game in the first half. MSU gradually caught up and then finally took the lead with about 4 minutes left and won the game. You might get different ideas of how good each team is depending on what part of the game you watched. Or in the other game, UM was ahead 26-0 at half, but UNI came back in the second half to score 23 unanswered points and was within reach of winning. You could have gotten completely different opinions depending on which quarter you watched. IMO, watching part of a game does not necessarily give you a better insight than reading recaps, etc.

None of this is intended to imply that watching more games is not desirable or preferable. But I think it's silly to say that if you don't watch 10 FCS games every weekend you shouldn't be voting. Especially if having the game on for 5 or 10 minutes counts.

There's also the science of attention span which is pretty clear: if you're focusing on 2+ things at once, you're not focusing at all

[nodak651]

Just curious is all, not concerned. Did you rate them in the top 25? I haven't seen anybody else that posted their polls that had UND in the top 25.

I don't think UND has done anything to prove they should be in the top 25, but the same could be said for many of the other teams. Given where UND was in preseason polls last year, and the large number of significant injuries the team faced, I could see some justification for thinking UND could bounce back and be a top 25 team this year. I don't think we will really know anything until the SHSU game, obviously. EWU is ranked #4 and they didn't even make the playoffs last year, for instance. UND only lost to EWU by a touchdown last year, and total offense and time of possession were nearly identical. I'm not saying that EWU shouldn't be ranked where they are, I just think that there can be a legitimate argument for someone ranking UND this early in the season. Not that I would if I had my own poll.

A good example as to highlight how many injuries we had last year is that our leading tackler last yer didn't even make the two deep this year. Ketteringham also looks to be much better at QB than Studsrud, and Rudolph seems to have finally opened up the playbook a little bit this year. UND has the offensive tools, but the O-line is what most likely keeps UND out of the top 25 this year, if that's how the season plays out.

[Reign of Terrier]

I agree. While I understand the point that the eye test is a good way to gauge teams against each other it's also inherently flawed by the fact that unless you watch every team in consideration every week you're missing things and some teams might be getting the benefit of the doubt based on when you watched them they played well while others don't based on when you watched them they played poorly.

Beyond that you miss things watching games especially if you're watching multiple games at once. There's one team I watch (almost) every play of every game of and that's NDSU. Yet pretty much every week I'll bring up their box score and see something interesting that I missed. For instance last week I knew they ran the ball well but when I saw they ran for 458 yards at 10 yards per carry as a team I was kind of floored that they ran it that well.

The eye test is nice but it can be plenty biased and shouldn't be relied upon as the primary metric to rank teams unless, like I said earlier, you watch every team under consideration for your rankings every week. It's not that tough to bring up the box score for every team under consideration and, while it still doesn't tell the whole story, it's a way to compare teams evenly while still maintaining a life outside of voting in the AGS poll. xtwocentsx

No offense to MVFC fans and y'all can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like this sentiment wasn't common last year because the MVFC had such a good OOC record. Now that this year isn't the case, I'm feeling the tides turn. Not saying professor chaos has changed his mind, I can't remember where he fell on this. I just remember arguing with a bunch of people last year who were chest beating the MVFC (Note: I think top to bottom the MVFC is the best conference, likely so even without NDSU) and applying this logic.

The fact is, randomness determines some degree of the outcome of football games and that can make scoring outcomes better or worse compared to the average expected outcome. When you invest too much in the eye test, you anchor your judgement to the latest outcome which is subject to a lot of randomness and variation. When you don't invest anything into the eye test, you never see an upset coming or you overestimate the difference between teams in different conferences (the sin I think many MVFC people make...except NDSU).

I think having an outcome-based, snapshot philosophy of rankings is the best method because it allows us to rank teams based on results on the field, but also allows us to adjust with more information/games played.

[Professor Chaos]

No offense to MVFC fans and y'all can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like this sentiment wasn't common last year because the MVFC had such a good OOC record. Now that this year isn't the case, I'm feeling the tides turn. Not saying professor chaos has changed his mind, I can't remember where he fell on this. I just remember arguing with a bunch of people last year who were chest beating the MVFC (Note: I think top to bottom the MVFC is the best conference, likely so even without NDSU) and applying this logic.

The fact is, randomness determines some degree of the outcome of football games and that can make scoring outcomes better or worse compared to the average expected outcome. When you invest too much in the eye test, you anchor your judgement to the latest outcome which is subject to a lot of randomness and variation. When you don't invest anything into the eye test, you never see an upset coming or you overestimate the difference between teams in different conferences (the sin I think many MVFC people make...except NDSU).

I think having an outcome-based, snapshot philosophy of rankings is the best method because it allows us to rank teams based on results on the field, but also allows us to adjust with more information/games played.
I've never been a big proponent of the eye test, both when it comes to FCS rankings and playoff selection and the NCAA men's basketball tournament (which is the other time of year I hear that term used a lot). I do think playing 20-ish OOC FCS games as a conference is a big enough sample size to gauge the quality top to bottom in a conference compared to others so that's probably where we differ. The MVFC is definitely coming back to the pack this year if week 1's performance continues. The 3 OOC FCS losses for the MVFC in week 1 was the same as a years worth back in the 2014/2015 timeframe IIRC.

[McCowboys]

No wiser words has a Chicken ever spoke!xthumbsupx

I think Foghorn Leghorn would have something to say about that!

[ST_Lawson]

No offense to MVFC fans and y'all can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like this sentiment wasn't common last year because the MVFC had such a good OOC record. Now that this year isn't the case, I'm feeling the tides turn. Not saying professor chaos has changed his mind, I can't remember where he fell on this. I just remember arguing with a bunch of people last year who were chest beating the MVFC (Note: I think top to bottom the MVFC is the best conference, likely so even without NDSU) and applying this logic.

Idk about anyone else, but I know that it feels to me like outside of NDSU and maybe Illinois State, the conference as a whole is down. We'll see how the rest of the OOC plays out, but it was definitely a rough first weekend for a large part of the conference. I feel like SIU and USD outperformed expectations somewhat, but UNI, WIU, and especially YSU underperformed. SDSU looked like the game might have gone that direction, but we'll never really know if they would have been able to stay with Iowa State throughout the game.

Overall, it doesn't feel like the conference is quite as strong. I agree that MVFC is the top conference even without NDSU, but the gap between MVFC and the next couple of conferences is for sure narrowing.

[UNAPride]

No, UNA is not eligible for the poll until they are eligible for either a conference title or an NCAA playoff berth.

UNA folks as much as we want you to talk with and appreciate your team I get the feeling AGS Poll will not be your cup of tea for a while.

If UNA has to receive votes in the poll to be published somewhere then those are the breaks and we will have to endure I suppose. I do look forward to the day UNA is eligible though just so that is clear.xthumbsupx

UNA has already received votes in the STATS Poll. Doubt we'd need to cover a fan poll anyway, I guess.

You're right, we have our own message board and will probably stick around there. xthumbsupx

[Professor Chaos]

UNA has already received votes in the STATS Poll. Doubt we'd need to cover a fan poll anyway, I guess.
Only if you want to cover a more accurate poll than the STATS poll. xthumbsupx

That's not a knock on UNA either, it's a statement of fact backed up by the FCS playoff selection committee year after year.

[UNAPride]

Only if you want to cover a more accurate poll than the STATS poll. xthumbsupx

That's not a knock on UNA either, it's a statement of fact backed up by the FCS playoff selection committee year after year.

Yeah, I hear that from you members. However, if you want to have legitimacy for your poll, you might want administrators that are a little more cordial to folks when inquiring.

He basically just told us this board isn't for us.

I'll promote the STATS poll, proudly!

[Professor Chaos]

Yeah, I hear that from you members. However, if you want to have legitimacy for your poll, you might want administrators that are a little more cordial to folks when inquiring.

He basically just told us this board isn't for us.

I'll promote the STATS poll, proudly!
He said the AGS poll may not be your cup of tea since UNA isn't eligible for it yet, he didn't say anything to that effect about the board overall. Stick around and you'll see but ursus isn't the type to run someone off just because of the team they root for.

[ElCid]

There's also the science of attention span which is pretty clear: if you're focusing on 2+ things at once, you're not focusing at all

There is a difference between selective focusing and focusing. There are many thing which can be monitored without focusing on it. Watching 4 games at once is pretty easy if you have the mental discipline. That doesn't mean you know 100% of everything that went on, but you can absorb enough to get the feel. I don't need to focus my entire attention span in order to get that feel or understand, at a glace, the situation. That is why I can multitask a dozen tasks at once. You need situational awareness.

[UNAPride]

He said the AGS poll may not be your cup of tea since UNA isn't eligible for it yet, he didn't say anything to that effect about the board overall. Stick around and you'll see but ursus isn't the type to run someone off just because of the team they root for.

I'd like to know the written rules for this poll. Can someone please provide those?

[BisonFan02]

I'd like to know the written rules for this poll. Can someone please provide those?

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?205868-2018-Team-Name-List-Need-Input

Still digging.....its been discussed pre-season and at length....

[Professor Chaos]

I'd like to know the written rules for this poll. Can someone please provide those?


http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?205868-2018-Team-Name-List-Need-Input

Still digging.....its been discussed pre-season and at length....
I'm sure ursus can chime in here with something official when he sees this but I believe the rule here just boils down to playoff ineligible = AGS poll ineligible. I think the impetus behind the rule was when App St and Georgia Southern moved to the FBS there were split mindsets on whether they should be included in the polls when they weren't playoff eligible because they had too many scholarships. Some thought they should be and some thought the shouldn't be and the folks on the shouldn't be side won out so for ease of understandability and application the rule was just adopted that a team had to be playoff eligible to be eligible for votes in the AGS poll.

FWIW I can recall App St, Georgia Southern, and Coastal Carolina all getting votes in the STATS/TSN poll when they were ineligible for the AGS poll.

[ElCid]

UNA has already received votes in the STATS Poll. Doubt we'd need to cover a fan poll anyway, I guess.

You're right, we have our own message board and will probably stick around there. xthumbsupx


Only if you want to cover a more accurate poll than the STATS poll. xthumbsupx

That's not a knock on UNA either, it's a statement of fact backed up by the FCS playoff selection committee year after year.

People call AGS poll a fan poll, but it really is more than that. Sure it is conducted by fans. But as opposed to what? A sports writers poll? Where "some" of the writers don't know anything out of their own conference? Or the Coaches poll? Where it is doubtful that that they even know what went on during some games other than their own without some assistant lining it up for them? Or they have some conf bias to prop their team's opponents up? Or the AGS, a fan poll, conducted by some of the most well informed people, who by and large go out of their way to eliminate their own team and conf biases, and which has repeatedly surpassed both the Stats and the Coaches polls in determining the playoff teams year after year? Hmm.

Their are good reasons and precedents for not including UNA. And as the professor already stated, Ursus's comment was directed at the poll situation, not the team's fans. More UNA fans here is great, but it will be a little while until you are in the poll. You are not unique in regard to this policy. Doesn't mean you guys can't contribute a lot to the discussion. You already have.

[ElCid]

I'm sure ursus can chime in here with something official when he sees this but I believe the rule here just boils down to playoff ineligible = AGS poll ineligible. I think the impetus behind the rule was when App St and Georgia Southern moved to the FBS there were split mindsets on whether they should be included in the polls when they weren't playoff eligible because they had too many scholarships. Some thought they should be and some thought the shouldn't be and the folks on the shouldn't be side won out so for ease of understandability and application the rule was just adopted that a team had to be playoff eligible to be eligible for votes in the AGS poll.

FWIW I can recall App St, Georgia Southern, and Coastal Carolina all getting votes in the STATS/TSN poll when they were ineligible for the AGS poll.

Didn't matter a lot as they were barely poll material during that time. Too funny.

[BisonFan02]

Didn't matter a lot as they were barely poll material during that time. Too funny.

Outside of App State giving Penn State a run....they still wouldn't be. xlolx Toss in Liberty too.

[UNAPride]

People call AGS poll a fan poll, but it really is more than that. Sure it is conducted by fans. But as opposed to what? A sports writers poll? Where "some" of the writers don't know anything out of their own conference? Or the Coaches poll? Where it is doubtful that that they even know what went on during some games other than their own without some assistant lining it up for them? Or they have some conf bias to prop their team's opponents up? Or the AGS, a fan poll, conducted by some of the most well informed people, who by and large go out of their way to eliminate their own team and conf biases, and which has repeatedly surpassed both the Stats and the Coaches polls in determining the playoff teams year after year? Hmm.

Their are good reasons and precedents for not including UNA. And as the professor already stated, Ursus's comment was directed at the poll situation, not the team's fans. More UNA fans here is great, but it will be a little while until you are in the poll. You are not unique in regard to this policy. Doesn't mean you guys can't contribute a lot to the discussion. You already have.

I see that now (which is all I was asking before the rude reply). However, I also see where posters were requesting way back in April for UNA to be added. So, at the very least, there was confusion among your own (potential) voters.

[Professor Chaos]

Didn't matter a lot as they were barely poll material during that time. Too funny.
Yep, App St really fell off a cliff that last year they were in the SOCON before moving to FBS so they weren't playoff or conference title eligible. I do remember Georgia Southern beating Florida towards the end of that year though so I'm sure they would've gotten votes had they been eligible after that but I don't know if either would've been playoff teams even if they could've been that year.

Of course there was probably some player personnel decisions made differently than normal at both programs knowing that they weren't eligible for the postseason or conference title that contributed to their below average seasons.

[UNAPride]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?205868-2018-Team-Name-List-Need-Input

Still digging.....its been discussed pre-season and at length....

Oh, I was thinking surely these were already listed somewhere as a pinned post.

[BisonFan02]

Oh, I was thinking surely these were already listed somewhere as a pinned post.

There aren't a pile of rules. The list of eligible teams are discussed like above....I think the discussion usually had been around transitional FBS teams still playing in the "FCS" (see Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, etc.) that end up recruiting/behaving like FBS teams that last season or two.

Like I said somewhere, I PERSONALLY wouldn't have seen a problem putting tUNA in the pile, but to keep it consistent for that 1 season, they were left out. It appears that you guys are in the Big South in 2019. If you are eligible to win the conference, you get to dance.

[ElCid]

I see that now (which is all I was asking before the rude reply). However, I also see where posters were requesting way back in April for UNA to be added. So, at the very least, there was confusion among your own (potential) voters.

That's because they didn't read all the posts. It was briefly discussed and as I recall, answered. Some aren't reading everything. And not be rude, to make that clear, I really don't see any reason to change the policy for one team. There have been lots of teams coming and going. Can't start making exceptions.

[ElCid]

Yep, App St really fell off a cliff that last year they were in the SOCON before moving to FBS so they weren't playoff or conference title eligible. I do remember Georgia Southern beating Florida towards the end of that year though so I'm sure they would've gotten votes had they been eligible after that but I don't know if either would've been playoff teams even if they could've been that year.

Of course there was probably some player personnel decisions made differently than normal at both programs knowing that they weren't eligible for the postseason or conference title that contributed to their below average seasons.

Exactly. Perfectly put. I think Ga So might have snuck in, but probably not.

Little trivia....as storied as they were, that win at Florida was the first win over a IA/FBS team that Ga So ever had (not counting pseudo FBS transition teams). That it came on their last game played as a FCS team was probably poetic justice for them.

[UNAPride]

That's because they didn't read all the posts. It was briefly discussed and as I recall, answered. Some aren't reading everything. And not be rude, to make that clear, I really don't see any reason to change the policy for one team. There have been lots of teams coming and going. Can't start making exceptions.

I didn't have time to read every post. I was simply coming here as a member of the media to ask a question.

Nowhere have I asked for the policy to be changed.

Not once.

Heck, at this point, I was just inquiring about the policies - which seem to be very fluid. Not sure I'd know what to ask to change!

[ElCid]

I didn't have time to read every post. I was simply coming here as a member of the media to ask a question.

Nowhere have I asked for the policy to be changed.

Not once.

Heck, at this point, I was just inquiring about the policies - which seem to be very fluid. Not sure I'd know what to ask to change!

Sorry I was responding to your comment of "However, I also see where posters were requesting way back in April for UNA to be added." The poll participants had that info. Anyone can ask. I think the answer was no. But I see you now have the link where Ursus went out of his way to make every team's situation pretty clear in regard to their poll eligibility.

[UNAPride]

Sorry I was responding to your comment of "However, I also see where posters were requesting way back in April for UNA to be added." The poll participants had that info. Anyone can ask. I think the answer was no. But I see you now have the link where Ursus went out of his way to make every team's situation pretty clear in regard to their poll eligibility.

April was the first few posts from the thread Bison02 posted and said he's still digging. UNA was mentioned in the first few posts there.

I think the main thing I'm learning in my few minutes of inquiring about this is that having set, posted rules (for eligibility and voting) would be a great pinned post in that area.

Sorry, this message board refers to them as a sticky.

[TheRevSFA]

Yeah, I hear that from you members. However, if you want to have legitimacy for your poll, you might want administrators that are a little more cordial to folks when inquiring.

He basically just told us this board isn't for us.

I'll promote the STATS poll, proudly!

He didn't say anything of the sort. You're pretty good at twisting words...probably why you're in the media.

[Catatonic]

There aren't a pile of rules. The list of eligible teams are discussed like above....I think the discussion usually had been around transitional FBS teams still playing in the "FCS" (see Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, etc.) that end up recruiting/behaving like FBS teams that last season or two.

Like I said somewhere, I PERSONALLY wouldn't have seen a problem putting tUNA in the pile, but to keep it consistent for that 1 season, they were left out. It appears that you guys are in the Big South in 2019. If you are eligible to win the conference, you get to dance.

We were in the Southland for three of Four years in transition. The conference did not consider us “eligible” for the championship or revenue sharing. So Con’s rule may be different. I hope so for UNA’s sake.

[UNAPride]

He didn't say anything of the sort. You're pretty good at twisting words...probably why you're in the media.

Not twisting. I mistakenly skipped over the word poll in his response. I do apologize for that.

"...I get the feeling AGS Poll will not be your cup of tea for a while."

[UNAPride]

We were in the Southland for three of KU four years transition years. The conference dis not consider us “eligible” for the championship or revenue sharing. So Con’s rule may be different. I hope so for UNA’s sake.

UNA football is not eligible for the Big South title or playoffs until 2022.

All other UNA sports are eligible immediately for ASUN titles and awards but no post-season until '22.

[BEAR]

UNA football is not eligible for the Big South title or playoffs until 2022.

All other UNA sports are eligible immediately for ASUN titles and awards but no post-season until '22.

Are any UNA teams part of any other conference? UCA has soccer in the MVC.

[Mike296]

I don’t know how this worked back when this happened but, How good was Western Kentucky in FCS prior to them moving up? Was there a poll back then or is that all lost to history?


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[ST_Lawson]

I don’t know how this worked back when this happened but, How good was Western Kentucky in FCS prior to them moving up? Was there a poll back then or is that all lost to history?


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They won the national championship in 2002. 9-win seasons in '03 and '04, 6-5 in 2005.

2006 was their last year in I-AA/FCS and they went 6-5, so probably not ranked: https://cfbinfo.com/team/western-kentucky-hilltoppers/2006
Doesn't look like they ever made the Sportsnetwork poll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_rankings

2007 and 2008 were transition years. They went 7-5 in 2007, but were not listed on either of the two "major" FCS polls that year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_rankings
2008 they went 2-10

2009 they were full FBS and in the Sun Belt.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not twisting. I mistakenly skipped over the word poll in his response. I do apologize for that.

"...I get the feeling AGS Poll will not be your cup of tea for a while."

I'm just reading and catching up and glad that misunderstanding is corrected as I am not trying to push any UNA members out. I am glad you are here.

We have a forum specific to poll voters that is not public as I wanted only those members to have access to links etc. that if put out publicly would cause more work for me deleting stuff etc. when voting is going on. So there are some things with the poll that non voters don't see.

As far as the rules for teams and their eligibility is a very simple rule that was voted on back in 2010 or whenever it was that Texas State moved up. It is/was debated for many pages and then voted on (I think) by members. But it has stood basically as long as I've been in charge of it. It may have been the rule before I took over as well looking back at some NDSU/SDSU stuff yesterday I saw that their inclusion would have fallen under this rule but don't know that it was in effect at the time and could just be coincidence.

The rule is:

If a team is eligible for either their conference championship OR an NCAA playoff berth then they are eligible for this poll.

It is that simple and I never thought a thread was needed for it but if that helps with getting the message out I would certainly start a sticky thread in the AGS Poll forum which all members can see. That never really makes any difference though as I will answer these very same questions the next time this issue arises.

Simple logic behind this is that if a teams conference AND the NCAA both agree that a team is not playing under the same rules (as of yet) that the rest of FCS is playing under then we have to observe that I think. To have some integrity with this matter in the last 8 yrs. we've seen quite a few teams come in the door and exit as well and in their transitions none of them have been allowed. It is very consistent and it is not meant to alienate any fan bases. I want you here and UNA fans here but I'm sure it won't make all happy that we are waiting until it is deemed appropriate by the Big South or the NCAA. The sooner the better if you ask me but all the same I think we should treat all teams fairly.

[katss07]

I agree, voting or not voting does not make your opinions more or less valid. The amount of FCS football across the league that you are taking in is what makes opinions valid/less valid. Some people like to watch only the team they root for then try to insert themselves into the poll conversation. Thats no bueno. And I'm not at all saying you are doing that, but thats where the concern comes in.

I would hope that a poll voter is watching a minimum of 10 FCS games a weekend across at least 4 conferences.
I hear ya. One reason I think the poll is pretty good here is because people tend to watch the games and pay close attention. I try and watch bits and pieces of 5-8 games per weekend if possible. But if Sam is at home for their usual 6 pm kickoff, I can typically only watch maybe 2 games until its time to go.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you live in SoCal I make the assumption that you don’t get to every NDSU home game. That might give you more time than the average voter (seems like most people around here get to lots of games).

[PantherRob82]

There's also the science of attention span which is pretty clear: if you're focusing on 2+ things at once, you're not focusing at all

I forgot how unbearable you became. Thanks for the reminder. xlolx

[UNAPride]

Thanks, ursus. I appreciate your post.

Y'all, please overlook me today. I like this site. Will be around a while, Lord willing.

[Tuna85]

Are any UNA teams part of any other conference? UCA has soccer in the MVC.

All sports other than football are ASun. We have Women's Soccer but not Men's Soccer. Independent in football this year but Big South beginning in 2019.

[Tuna85]

Thanks, ursus. I appreciate your post.

Y'all, please overlook me today. I like this site. Will be around a while, Lord willing.

Was hoping you would be. You'll see a lot of friendly misunderstandings on this site. The English language helps bring on the misunderstandings as most words have many meanings. Anyways, I followed this site for quite awhile before joining and I find Ursus to be a very fair and reasonable admin. Never seen him lose it. Never seen him treat anyone, other than jokingly, with disrespect. ROARLIONS!!!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Thanks, ursus. I appreciate your post.

Y'all, please overlook me today. I like this site. Will be around a while, Lord willing.

Not a problem and will be glad to see you around here.

[POD Knows]

Was hoping you would be. You'll see a lot of friendly misunderstandings on this site. The English language helps bring on the misunderstandings as most words have many meanings. Anyways, I followed this site for quite awhile before joining and I find Ursus to be a very fair and reasonable admin. Never seen him lose it. Never seen him treat anyone, other than jokingly, with disrespect. ROARLIONS!!!Really, you have only been on here for 7 months, I have a whole stack of Ursus stuff for the commitment hearing. You must have missed all that. :D

[Mike296]

Not a problem and will be glad to see you around here.

Ursus is a great admin,you ever have a problem on the site he’s there almost immediately to rectify the issue. Best admin I’ve ever had tbh.


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[Tuna85]

Really, you have only been on here for 7 months, I have a whole stack of Ursus stuff for the commitment hearing. You must have missed all that. :D

Reckon I joined 7 months ago but probably started stalking when we got our invite from the Big South. Slow learner and had to get in my research on the FCS.

[hoidOfYolen]

Yea you watch more than one game at a time ;). And you don't always watch each game from start to finish. You can also utilize ESPN3/+ replay feature.

I don't see how anyone can watch more than one game at a time and truly glean anything from watching other than knowing what generally happened. When I watch I'm looking at defensive patterns, WR routes, and line blocking, and I simply can't do that to multiple games at a time. To get a real sense of a team you need to watch fundamentals.

[Reign of Terrier]

I forgot how unbearable you became. Thanks for the reminder. xlolx

This is literally science, if that triggers you I'm sorry (but not really)

"I don't like you" or "you're stupid" or "I don't like what you said" are common immitators for arguments on this board and at times it's nonsensically dumb and obvious.

[Bisonoline]

This is literally science, if that triggers you I'm sorry (but not really)

"I don't like you" or "you're stupid" or "I don't like what you said" are common immitators for arguments on this board and at times it's nonsensically dumb and obvious.

I guess you are one of those that just cant take a hint.

[PantherRob82]

I think Foghorn Leghorn would have something to say about that!

I thought he was Foghorn Leghorn?

[POD Knows]

Reckon I joined 7 months ago but probably started stalking when we got our invite from the Big South. Slow learner and had to get in my research on the FCS.Just messing with you and trolling for Ursus, I would guess his commitment file on me is probably bigger than the one I have on him.

[McCowboys]

I thought he was Foghorn Leghorn?

I think he is Mr. Chicken. ?

[Tuna85]

Just messing with you and trolling for Ursus, I would guess his commitment file on me is probably bigger than the one I have on him.

No worries. I would suspect that most on this site, me included, would have a pretty good file ....if for no other reason than being a FCSaholic.

[Reign of Terrier]

I guess you are one of those that just cant take a hint.

Hey look another comment of less than no value.

[PantherRob82]

This is literally science, if that triggers you I'm sorry (but not really)

"I don't like you" or "you're stupid" or "I don't like what you said" are common immitators for arguments on this board and at times it's nonsensically dumb and obvious.

Not sure how you get triggered out of a comment with an emoji other than being triggered yourself. I think I'm supposed to call you a snowflake now. I didn't agree or disagree with anything you said. Just remembered how unbearable you were last year. xthumbsupx

[PantherRob82]

Hey look another comment of less than no value.

Jesus...xoopsx

[Twentysix]

I hear ya. One reason I think the poll is pretty good here is because people tend to watch the games and pay close attention. I try and watch bits and pieces of 5-8 games per weekend if possible. But if Sam is at home for their usual 6 pm kickoff, I can typically only watch maybe 2 games until its time to go.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you live in SoCal I make the assumption that you don’t get to every NDSU home game. That might give you more time than the average voter (seems like most people around here get to lots of games).Utilize replays on ESPN3. You can watch FCS on Sunday and you can even fast forward, it's revolutionary. You can even watch 20 minutes of a game during a halftime. You can pull up a second game and watch that one during commercials and extended play stoppages. It's kind of amazing that a 3-3.5 hour football game actually only ever includes 60 minutes of relevance. During the ooc schedules you can even see 4 different FCS conferences in action by watching only 2 games!

Also yes, due to living in socal I only travel during ndsu bye weeks. Cliff notes have their value, but if you really want to understand more, read at least some of the book.

I'm dieing of laughter that some voters are arguing that just reading box scores is somehow superior to watching games and reading box scores. Haha.

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[Twentysix]

https://imgur.com/a/lgsMUs8https://i.imgur.com/WSZmh8g.png
The replay section will assist you greatly.
https://i.imgur.com/UE6Re3U.jpg

The ability to fast forward will open up new worlds.

[Twentysix]

I'm actually pretty disappointed that people who watch 12 games in an entire regular season are voting. But Ursus can run the poll however he sees fit.

[FUBeAR]

https://imgur.com/a/lgsMUs8https://i.imgur.com/WSZmh8g.png
The replay section will assist you greatly.
https://i.imgur.com/UE6Re3U.jpg

The ability to fast forward will open up new worlds.

Any knowledge around Replay on ESPN+???

I’m good with Replay on ‘the tres,’ but can’t find any available on +

[Twentysix]

Any knowledge around Replay on ESPN+???

I’m good with Replay on ‘the tres,’ but can’t find any available on +

ESPN+ is exactly the same. The games are located in the same replay section, they are just labeled as being on a different channel. Once in the video player its exactly the same.

https://i.imgur.com/L2rPhwB.png

[Bisonoline]

https://imgur.com/a/lgsMUs8https://i.imgur.com/WSZmh8g.png
The replay section will assist you greatly.
https://i.imgur.com/UE6Re3U.jpg

The ability to fast forward will open up new worlds.

How did you get the list?? All I get are freaking Icons.

[Twentysix]

How did you get the list?? All I get are freaking Icons.

Using a web browser. The TV app is not nearly as friendly yet.

[Bisonoline]

Not sure how you get triggered out of a comment with an emoji other than being triggered yourself. I think I'm supposed to call you a snowflake now. I didn't agree or disagree with anything you said. Just remembered how unbearable you were last year. xthumbsupx

He got a self importance complex.

[Bisonoline]

Using a web browser. The TV app is not nearly as friendly yet.

Thankyou!!!! Works great.

[FUBeAR]

ESPN+ is exactly the same. The games are located in the same replay section, they are just labeled as being on a different channel. Once in the video player its exactly the same.

https://i.imgur.com/L2rPhwB.png
Exactly the game I want to watch! But I can't get it up...so to speak.

In trying to find Replays I get this...
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28668&stc=1

I can get to the screen that should start that game...OK...got it now....not sure how I got there, but THANKS!

[Twentysix]

You have to click the date once you are on that page. Click Sat the first, it's by default on the current day.


Exactly the game I want to watch! But I can't get it up...so to speak.

In trying to find Replays I get this...
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28668&stc=1

I can get to the screen that should start that game...OK...got it now....not sure how I got there, but THANKS!



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[FUBeAR]

You have to click the date once you are on that page. Click Sat the first, it's by default on the current day.





Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using TapatalkThanks - yeah, I saw that...tried to edit my post to let you know, but AGS was ‘acting up’ on me & wouldn’t allow it...probably User Error with that also xnodx

[FUBeAR]

He got a self importance complex,he said redundantly, knowing that he was referring to a Wofford Alum. xlolx

[Twentysix]

Thanks - yeah, I saw that...tried to edit my post to let you know, but AGS was ‘acting up’ on me & wouldn’t allow it...probably User Error with that also xnodxGlad you got to the replay you wanted! The replays are the real value of having games on ESPN web networks instead of some other broadcaster. Being able to bring up the games on demand after the fact is an amazing resource.

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[ST_Lawson]

Here's a link for those of you who are technologically-challenged: http://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/?categoryId=64&startDate=20180901&type=replay
That'll get you to the list of replays available in the Football category from last Saturday.

[Catbooster]

Utilize replays on ESPN3. You can watch FCS on Sunday and you can even fast forward, it's revolutionary. You can even watch 20 minutes of a game during a halftime. You can pull up a second game and watch that one during commercials and extended play stoppages. It's kind of amazing that a 3-3.5 hour football game actually only ever includes 60 minutes of relevance. During the ooc schedules you can even see 4 different FCS conferences in action by watching only 2 games!

Also yes, due to living in socal I only travel during ndsu bye weeks. Cliff notes have their value, but if you really want to understand more, read at least some of the book.

I'm dieing of laughter that some voters are arguing that just reading box scores is somehow superior to watching games and reading box scores. Haha.

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I haven't seen anyone try to make that argument.


I'm actually pretty disappointed that people who watch 12 games in an entire regular season are voting. But Ursus can run the poll however he sees fit.

I'm actually pretty disappointed that you are misrepresenting what others have said here in order to dismiss their opinions. I don't think your reading comprehension is that bad, so I'm left with the conclusion that's what you're doing. I'm used to seeing this on the politics board, which is why I don't go there too often. It's disappointing to see it here.

I obviously don't have any way to confirm it, but I'd be shocked if there is anyone voting who only watches 12 games in an entire season. No one has claimed that. But several of us have argued that 10 games per week with at least 4 conferences as a minimum standard for eligibility to vote is not necessary. Technically, I'll probably hit that some weekends but it won't be my minimum for the season. And I won't have watched all of those games closely enough that I'm confident with my knowledge about the teams involved.

I do agree with you that Ursus can run the poll as he sees fit. If he wants to set that as the standard, I would have to stop voting, but I'd probably spend about the same amount of time here since I like FCS football. I would be a little disappointed though, because I think the pool of voters would shrink substantially and I'd worry that the poll would be less "accurate".

[mvemjsunpx]

I haven't seen anyone try to make that argument.



I'm actually pretty disappointed that you are misrepresenting what others have said here in order to dismiss their opinions. I don't think your reading comprehension is that bad, so I'm left with the conclusion that's what you're doing. I'm used to seeing this on the politics board, which is why I don't go there too often. It's disappointing to see it here.

I obviously don't have any way to confirm it, but I'd be shocked if there is anyone voting who only watches 12 games in an entire season. No one has claimed that. But several of us have argued that 10 games per week with at least 4 conferences as a minimum standard for eligibility to vote is not necessary. Technically, I'll probably hit that some weekends but it won't be my minimum for the season. And I won't have watched all of those games closely enough that I'm confident with my knowledge about the teams involved.

I do agree with you that Ursus can run the poll as he sees fit. If he wants to set that as the standard, I would have to stop voting, but I'd probably spend about the same amount of time here since I like FCS football. I would be a little disappointed though, because I think the pool of voters would shrink substantially and I'd worry that the poll would be less "accurate".


No kidding. The poll would have, like, 2 voters if that was the standard. Not to mention it would be totally impossible to enforce that.

I've followed the whole of I-AA/FCS football more than just about anybody over the past 15 years (and I've been doing my Conference by Conference Breakdown on the other board for 11 years), and even I wouldn't come close to meeting that standard.

[Professor Chaos]

Utilize replays on ESPN3. You can watch FCS on Sunday and you can even fast forward, it's revolutionary. You can even watch 20 minutes of a game during a halftime. You can pull up a second game and watch that one during commercials and extended play stoppages. It's kind of amazing that a 3-3.5 hour football game actually only ever includes 60 minutes of relevance. During the ooc schedules you can even see 4 different FCS conferences in action by watching only 2 games!

Also yes, due to living in socal I only travel during ndsu bye weeks. Cliff notes have their value, but if you really want to understand more, read at least some of the book.

I'm dieing of laughter that some voters are arguing that just reading box scores is somehow superior to watching games and reading box scores. Haha.

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Well don't hurt yourself laughing while reading this but I'll clarify my opinion. I don't watch 10 FCS games in a week ever unless you count watching parts of games but I usually watch more than one full game a week. When the Bison are on the road (in a game I'm not at) I probably watch parts of 10 games but 2-3 full games tops. When the Bison play at home I'm usually on the road to the tailgate lot by 9AM and not back until 6PM or later. Then I'll watch a few other late games but I usually watch the featured prime time FBS games of the week as well. On Sunday I spend the day doing family stuff and all the random weekemd work I didn't do Saturday so I don't have the time or the patience to watch games I already know the outcome to.

Do I think watching games is superior to sifting through box scores? Yeah if that's what you're doing for all games each week. Do I think watching 10 games a week, sometimes multiple games at the same time, is better than sifting through the box scores of all the games each week? Nope.

In the end I really don't care how you or others come up with your poll ballot as long as you can justify why you put each team under consideration where you did. I'd guarantee that 2 different voters could watch all the same games each week and have vastly different ballots just like two people could sift through all the box scores and have vastly different poll ballots. Different poll voters value different things. IMO as long as you take voting seriously you're a qualified voter.

I think the way to make the best poll is to have as many varied opinions as possible (who take voting seriously) coming up with a consensus. The less people voting the more skewed the consensus poll will be by personal biases and idiosyncrasies so if you start putting time consuming requirements like having to watch 10 or more full games per week to be a voter I'd argue you'd make the final poll worse not better because the voter pool would shrink so much.

/off my soapbox

[SCPALADIN]

Yep, App St really fell off a cliff that last year they were in the SOCON before moving to FBS so they weren't playoff or conference title eligible. I do remember Georgia Southern beating Florida towards the end of that year though so I'm sure they would've gotten votes had they been eligible after that but I don't know if either would've been playoff teams even if they could've been that year.

Of course there was probably some player personnel decisions made differently than normal at both programs knowing that they weren't eligible for the postseason or conference title that contributed to their below average seasons.

It was great kicking both their a$$es that last season...xtroublex

[Reign of Terrier]

Well don't hurt yourself laughing while reading this but I'll clarify my opinion. I don't watch 10 FCS games in a week ever unless you count watching parts of games but I usually watch more than one full game a week. When the Bison are on the road (in a game I'm not at) I probably watch parts of 10 games but 2-3 full games tops. When the Bison play at home I'm usually on the road to the tailgate lot by 9AM and not back until 6PM or later. Then I'll watch a few other late games but I usually watch the featured prime time FBS games of the week as well. On Sunday I spend the day doing family stuff and all the random weekemd work I didn't do Saturday so I don't have the time or the patience to watch games I already know the outcome to.

Do I think watching games is superior to sifting through box scores? Yeah if that's what you're doing for all games each week. Do I think watching 10 games a week, sometimes multiple games at the same time, is better than sifting through the box scores of all the games each week? Nope.

In the end I really don't care how you or others come up with your poll ballot as long as you can justify why you put each team under consideration where you did. I'd guarantee that 2 different voters could watch all the same games each week and have vastly different ballots just like two people could sift through all the box scores and have vastly different poll ballots. Different poll voters value different things. IMO as long as you take voting seriously you're a qualified voter.

I think the way to make the best poll is to have as many varied opinions as possible (who take voting seriously) coming up with a consensus. The less people voting the more skewed the consensus poll will be by personal biases and idiosyncrasies so if you start putting time consuming requirements like having to watch 10 or more full games per week to be a voter I'd argue you'd make the final poll worse not better because the voter pool would shrink so much.

/off my soapbox

Oh look a cogent argument. No worries, it will be refuted by a virtue signal, which will be reaffirmed by a clown car of homers.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'm actually pretty disappointed that people who watch 12 games in an entire regular season are voting. But Ursus can run the poll however he sees fit.

Thanks brother. I too do most of what you do. I like spending some time while vetting votes etc. watching and FF through games recorded the day before...just to get a feel for what happened to include with box scores and other things.

I've also had weeks that I have watched one game, taken in to account what others on here have seen, game threads, etc.

What I'm not gonna do though is reject opionions based on some slippery standard of differing philosophies on what should go in to the product (ballot) and if a person can defend what they have voted for. Since opinions are varied all you really have to do is have the ability to make an argument for teams and I can tell you either have or have not thought it through enough.

You for instance, when challenged on this thread can make a good argument for your thinking, you put effort into doing what you think is best for your ballot. I truly believe that is what almost everyone here does. So I am not sure why any of us really needs to take shots at each other about how we do this thing. We all want to do a good job but this isn't our job, it's all about some fun in a passion we enjoy as fans...I think.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Well hell, I could have just quoted PC after reading further I guess.

TwentySix likes to start a debate, he does it fairly well and it is a good thing for the most part because the poll threads always help us hone in on aspects of this thing that could be done a bit better. He comes off like a Richard at times but he challenges assertions and if you don't get too worked up over it you have a good discussion even if somewhat pointed. In the last couple of pages alone he has helped many find a better way to view games and that helps out a lot so thanks 26, I appreciate **** like that a bunch around here. Makes this place a great resource for others.xthumbsupx


BTW, thanks Killamike & Tuna for saying some nice things about me. I needed it after POD said some crappy things about me and his war chest he has acquired on bad things I've done.

[POD Knows]

Well hell, I could have just quoted PC after reading further I guess.

TwentySix likes to start a debate, he does it fairly well and it is a good thing for the most part because the poll threads always help us hone in on aspects of this thing that could be done a bit better. He comes off like a Richard at times but he challenges assertions and if you don't get too worked up over it you have a good discussion even if somewhat pointed. In the last couple of pages alone he has helped many find a better way to view games and that helps out a lot so thanks 26, I appreciate **** like that a bunch around here. Makes this place a great resource for others.xthumbsupx


BTW, thanks Killamike & Tuna for saying some nice things about me. I needed it after POD said some crappy things about me and his war chest he has acquired on bad things I've done.Dude, I was joking.:D

[Bisonoline]

Well hell, I could have just quoted PC after reading further I guess.

TwentySix likes to start a debate, he does it fairly well and it is a good thing for the most part because the poll threads always help us hone in on aspects of this thing that could be done a bit better. He comes off like a Richard at times but he challenges assertions and if you don't get too worked up over it you have a good discussion even if somewhat pointed. In the last couple of pages alone he has helped many find a better way to view games and that helps out a lot so thanks 26, I appreciate **** like that a bunch around here. Makes this place a great resource for others.xthumbsupx


BTW, thanks Killamike & Tuna for saying some nice things about me. I needed it after POD said some crappy things about me and his war chest he has acquired on bad things I've done.

We love ya man!!!!! xthumbsupx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Dude, I was joking.:D
So was I PODDY. xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

We love ya man!!!!! xthumbsupx


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D7C3xqSYEs

[POD Knows]

So was I PODDY. xlolxYou ****er.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You ****er.

I know, I didn't even think I played that one very well and it would lie flat on it's back but lo and behold....

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=30598&d=1495252402

[POD Knows]

I know, I didn't even think I played that one very well and it would lie flat on it's back but lo and behold....

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=30598&d=1495252402Well, there is a sucker born every minute and on this one it happened to be me.

[Twentysix]

Well don't hurt yourself laughing while reading this but I'll clarify my opinion. I don't watch 10 FCS games in a week ever unless you count watching parts of games but I usually watch more than one full game a week. When the Bison are on the road (in a game I'm not at) I probably watch parts of 10 games but 2-3 full games tops. When the Bison play at home I'm usually on the road to the tailgate lot by 9AM and not back until 6PM or later. Then I'll watch a few other late games but I usually watch the featured prime time FBS games of the week as well. On Sunday I spend the day doing family stuff and all the random weekemd work I didn't do Saturday so I don't have the time or the patience to watch games I already know the outcome to.

Do I think watching games is superior to sifting through box scores? Yeah if that's what you're doing for all games each week. Do I think watching 10 games a week, sometimes multiple games at the same time, is better than sifting through the box scores of all the games each week? Nope.

In the end I really don't care how you or others come up with your poll ballot as long as you can justify why you put each team under consideration where you did. I'd guarantee that 2 different voters could watch all the same games each week and have vastly different ballots just like two people could sift through all the box scores and have vastly different poll ballots. Different poll voters value different things. IMO as long as you take voting seriously you're a qualified voter.

I think the way to make the best poll is to have as many varied opinions as possible (who take voting seriously) coming up with a consensus. The less people voting the more skewed the consensus poll will be by personal biases and idiosyncrasies so if you start putting time consuming requirements like having to watch 10 or more full games per week to be a voter I'd argue you'd make the final poll worse not better because the voter pool would shrink so much.

/off my soapbox

Just sifting box scores and team stats for an hour on Sundays will surely be simpler. Now that I know the effort put in by all the voters is a lot more on the casual side, I'm definitely inclined to place my time elsewhere and just shift to your guys style! I'm used to the maximum effort or gtfo aspect of life even in a hobby. It's why I quit voting for several years, I didn't have the time to watch more than ~5 hours of football a week and I wouldn't dare insert my opinion into a national poll with that kind of minimalistic effort.

I'm actually very thankful that you put forth your opinion on the matter, thanks!

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[TheKingpin28]

Well, there is a sucker born every minute and on this one it happened to be me.This is par for the course. xlolx

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[Catbooster]

Just sifting box scores and team stats for an hour on Sundays will surely be simpler. Now that I know the effort put in by all the voters is a lot more on the casual side, I'm definitely inclined to place my time elsewhere and just shift to your guys style! I'm used to the maximum effort or gtfo aspect of life even in a hobby. It's why I quit voting for several years, I didn't have the time to watch more than ~5 hours of football a week and I wouldn't dare insert my opinion into a national poll with that kind of minimalistic effort.

I'm actually very thankful that you put forth your opinion on the matter, thanks!

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Damn! Didn't want you to put in less effort. I just wanted validation that I was doing ok. ;) :D

Seriously, I think the poll is better served if a relatively well-informed fan like you is voting than if you drop out due to other commitments preventing you from spending the time and effort that you do currently. More research is always better, but we can't always spend as much time as we'd like. I'll bet that if you had a few things come up that prevented you from spending half the time you do currently for a few weeks during the season, you'd still be able to look at the coaches' poll and say WTF?? xconfusedx

[Professor Chaos]

Just sifting box scores and team stats for an hour on Sundays will surely be simpler. Now that I know the effort put in by all the voters is a lot more on the casual side, I'm definitely inclined to place my time elsewhere and just shift to your guys style! I'm used to the maximum effort or gtfo aspect of life even in a hobby. It's why I quit voting for several years, I didn't have the time to watch more than ~5 hours of football a week and I wouldn't dare insert my opinion into a national poll with that kind of minimalistic effort.

I'm actually very thankful that you put forth your opinion on the matter, thanks!

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Damn! Didn't want you to put in less effort. I just wanted validation that I was doing ok. ;) :D

Seriously, I think the poll is better served if a relatively well-informed fan like you is voting than if you drop out due to other commitments preventing you from spending the time and effort that you do currently. More research is always better, but we can't always spend as much time as we'd like. I'll bet that if you had a few things come up that prevented you from spending half the time you do currently for a few weeks during the season, you'd still be able to look at the coaches' poll and say WTF?? xconfusedx
I agree with Catbooster and I think you're selling yourself short Twentysix. I can appreciate wanting to put forth max effort but at a certain point you see diminishing returns IMO. It's kind of like overthinking something. I think spending an hour or two on Sunday sifting through Supe's "How they fared" sheet along with the rest of the game threads on the FCSD board in addition to paying attention to what's happening on Saturday is adequate. I've seen other posters say the same thing about how they can't put in the time necessary to vote and I wonder how much time they think they need. Maybe I just have lower standards (xlolx) but I think you can wake up early on Sunday, dive into your poll research, and have a quality ballot put together by breakfast time. To each his own though, that's just how I feel.

[Vandal03]

Here is my vote:


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: North Carolina A&T Aggies
7: Kennesaw State Owls
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Elon Phoenix
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Montana State Bobcats
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Yale Bulldogs
24: Furman Paladins
25: Weber State Wildcats

Vandal03

The Most Significant Win: North Carolina A&T Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: New Hampshire Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[Daytripper]

I agree with Catbooster and I think you're selling yourself short Twentysix. I can appreciate wanting to put forth max effort but at a certain point you see diminishing returns IMO. It's kind of like overthinking something. I think spending an hour or two on Sunday sifting through Supe's "How they fared" sheet along with the rest of the game threads on the FCSD board in addition to paying attention to what's happening on Saturday is adequate. I've seen other posters say the same thing about how they can't put in the time necessary to vote and I wonder how much time they think they need. Maybe I just have lower standards (xlolx) but I think you can wake up early on Sunday, dive into your poll research, and have a quality ballot put together by breakfast time. To each his own though, that's just how I feel.

Exactly. I love AGS and being part of the poll, but in the scheme of life it is fairly low on the priority list. I give it the time I can without negatively impacting other areas of my life that are more important.

[BisonBacker]

Yeah, I hear that from you members. However, if you want to have legitimacy for your poll, you might want administrators that are a little more cordial to folks when inquiring.

He basically just told us this board isn't for us.

I'll promote the STATS poll, proudly!


Just going through this thread and catching up. Nowhere in Ursus post did I see him say that at all. I'd call that a swing and a miss. xnonox