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VandalBasher

May 14th, 2018, 12:45 PM

I don't care how much the gap has become between BSU and WSU, they are our top rivals. We are looking forward to getting the Lil' Brown Stein back later this year.

Boise State Broncos[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Idaho_Vandals_football&action=edit&section=14)]

The University of Idaho enjoys an in-state rivalry with Boise State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise_State_University).[755] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-755) The Boise State – Idaho rivalry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boise_State_%E2%80%93_Idaho_rivalry) began with a Bronco victory in the first meeting in 1971. They met every year through 2010, and with the exception of four years, (2001–2004), the matchup was a conference game. The rivalry was dominated by streaks as Idaho won 12 straight years from 1982–1993, while Boise State won the most recent 12 games between 1999–2010, mostly by large margins.[756] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-756) BSU leads the rivalry with a series record of 22–17–1 (.563). Since Boise State's move to the Mountain West Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_West_Conference) in 2011, Boise State has refused to play Idaho home and home in football.[757] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-auto1-757) In response, Idaho has refused to play Boise State at Taco Bell Arena (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taco_Bell_Arena) for men's basketball.[757] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-auto1-757) As of 2017, no future games for football or men's basketball are currently scheduled. To add a humorous and somewhat frivolous twist to the rivalry, current Idaho athletics director Rob Spear (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rob_Spear&action=edit&redlink=1) refused to board a Horizon Air flight on November 11, 2009 after learning the plane bore Boise State's blue and orange colors.[758] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-758)

Idaho State Bengals[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Idaho_Vandals_football&action=edit&section=15)]

The University of Idaho enjoys another in-state rivalry with Idaho State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_State_University).[759] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-759) Known as the Battle of the Domes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho-Idaho_State_football_rivalry),[760] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-uiv17-760) the rivalry was at its most competitive in the 1970s and 1980s, with neither team three-peating (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-peat); the most recent conference game was in 1995, ISU's last win. Idaho has won eleven of the last twelve and leads the overall series at 28–11 (.718). The last meeting was in 2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Idaho_Vandals_football_team), but the series will be revived in 2018 when Idaho drops back to FCS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I#Football_Championship_Subdivision) and rejoins the Big Sky Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Conference) in football (its other sports rejoined in 2014).
The "Battle of the Domes" theme began in 2017, and is applied to multiple sports.[760] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-uiv17-760)[761] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-isu17-761) Idaho State was the first of the pair to play its home games indoors, opening the Holt Arena (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holt_Arena) (originally ASISU Minidome) 48 years ago in 1970 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_college_football_season). The Kibbie Dome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbie_Dome) in Moscow was enclosed in 1975 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Idaho_Vandals_football_team), after four years as an outdoor venue; the last two outdoor games in this series were played there in 1971 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Idaho_Vandals_football_team) and 1973 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Idaho_Vandals_football_team), then known as new Idaho Stadium.[762] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-ibbbrd-762) In opposite regions of Idaho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho) and in different time zones, the driving distance between the campuses is over 530 miles (850 km), and further if routed through western Montana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Montana).

Washington State Cougars[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Idaho_Vandals_football&action=edit&section=16)]

Known as the Battle of the Palouse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Palouse), the first football game between the University of Idaho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Idaho) and Washington State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_State_University) was played in November 1894 and resulted in a win for Washington State.[763] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-763) The game in 1898 was not played because Idaho had an ineligible ringer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_idioms#R) from Lapwai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapwai,_Idaho), F.J. McFarland, a recent All-American (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-America) from Carlisle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlisle_Indians_football).[764] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-anvibb75-764)[765] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-ftherc-765)[766] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-fjisr-766) The Vandals' first-ever forward pass was attempted against the Cougars in 1907: it was completed for a touchdown from a drop-kick formation in the fourth quarter and led to a 5–4 victory.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-https-13)
Washington State has dominated the local rivalry, holding a 72–16–3 lead. The record since 1926 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1926_Idaho_Vandals_football_team) is even more dominant, with a 57–5–2 advantage for the Cougars. The longest winning streak for Idaho was three games (1923 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1923_Idaho_Vandals_football_team)–1925 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_Idaho_Vandals_football_team)), and has only five victories since that three-peat (1954, 1964, 1965, 1999, & 2000) and two ties (1927, 1950) to offset the 56 losses. The games were skipped in 1969 and 1971, which was unfortunate for Idaho as the 1971 Vandals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Idaho_Vandals_football_team) posted one of the best records (8–3) in school history, while WSU was 4–7. The rivalry became increasingly one-sided as WSU dominated in the 1970s (except for 1974) and the original series ended, following the 1978 game.[767] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-iwsgrsdim-767) From 1979 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Idaho_Vandals_football_team) to 1997, the game was played just twice (1982 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Idaho_Vandals_football_team), and 1989 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Idaho_Vandals_football_team)) until the 10-year renewal from 1998–2007. Since their last wins in 1999 and 2000, Idaho has been physically outmatched in most of the nine games; the game has been played twice since 2007: in 2013 and 2016.
As two schools are in close proximity, from 1938 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Idaho_Vandals_football_team) to 1968 there was a tradition called The Loser's Walk, where during the week following the game students of the losing school would walk from their own campus to the winners' campus, then receive rides back home from the winning side. This has frequently been misreported as students walking back to their own campus immediately following the game. In 1954, the walk made national news when about 2,000 students from Washington State College made the trek east from Pullman to Moscow after the Cougars lost to Idaho for the first time in 29 years.[768] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-sarb-768)[769] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-sdc54-769)[770] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-gem55walk54-770)[771] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-771)
In a span of less than five months, from November 1969 to April 1970, both schools' aged wooden stadiums (Idaho's Neale Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neale_Stadium) and WSU's Rogers Field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Field_(Washington_State))) burned down due to suspected arson. The WSU–Idaho game in 1970 was dubbed the Displaced Bowl, which was held in Joe Albi Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Albi_Stadium) in Spokane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokane,_Washington) on September 19. The Cougars won the game (their only win that season), as well as the next ten against the Vandals.[772] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-772) The 1970 game was the first in the rivalry played on AstroTurf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstroTurf), which was new to Joe Albi that season. In 1978, the NCAA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association) split Division I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I) football in two: I-A (now FBS) and I-AA (now FCS). Washington State was in Division I-A as part of the Pac-10 Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Conference) and Idaho downgraded to I-AA as part of the Big Sky Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Conference), whose other football members moved up from Division II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_II). In the late 1970s, I-A football programs were allowed 50% more scholarships (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletic_scholarship) and twice as many assistant coaches as I-AA teams.[767] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-iwsgrsdim-767) During the years they were in different divisions, the schools met only twice, 1982 in Spokane and 1989 in Pullman. In 1996, Idaho moved back up to Division I-A in the Big West Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_West_Conference), and Idaho and WSU rekindled their century-old rivalry. Since the rivalry was reinstated in 1998, every game has been played at Martin Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Stadium) in Pullman, except for the matchup in 2003, which was played at Seattle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle)'s Seahawks Stadium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seahawks_Stadium). The last game played on the Idaho side of the border was in 1966, a come-from-behind 14–7 Cougar victory on a very muddy field to prevent a Vandal three-peat.[773] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-773)[774] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-774)
After ten years of the renewed rivalry, Vandals head coach Robb Akey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robb_Akey), previously WSU's defensive coordinator, said in 2008 that he preferred the game not be played every year, instead saying he would prefer it as a "once-in-a-while thing."[775] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-775) Only one game was played during Akey's tenure, in his first season in 2007, and he was fired in October 2012.[776] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-776) The meeting in 2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Washington_State_Cougars_football_team) on September 21 was a one-year revival,[777] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-bop2013-777) but the future of the series under current Vandal head coach Paul Petrino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Petrino) is unclear; WSU won 56–6 in 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Idaho_Vandals_football_team).[778] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-778) The next meeting is scheduled for 2020 in Pullman,[779] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-779) and Idaho returns to the Football Championship Subdivision and the Big Sky Conference in 2018.

Montana Grizzlies[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Idaho_Vandals_football&action=edit&section=17)]

The University of Idaho also enjoys a rivalry with the University of Montana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Montana).[780] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-780) Known as the Little Brown Stein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Brown_Stein) game, Idaho and Montana first played 115 years ago in 1903 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1903_Montana_Grizzlies_football_team) and have played 84 times, and the stein was introduced 80 years ago in 1938 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Montana_Grizzlies_football_team),[781] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-vsskawin-781)[782] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-trtgws-782)[783] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-gom43fb-783) at the 25th meeting. Idaho has dominated the overall series 55–27–2 (.667),[784] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-idtwbrego-784) which also includes two Division I-AA playoff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Championship_Subdivision) wins at home in the 1980s. Montana has had the upper hand since 1991 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Montana_Grizzlies_football_team), winning eight of the last ten. Since Idaho moved back up to Division I-A (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_I-A) in 1996 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Montana_Grizzlies_football_team), the teams have met five times, with Montana winning the last four.[785] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-icimt-785)[786] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-gcvwpdn-786)[787] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-cfbdwhs-787) The schools were the only public universities in their respective states for decades, and are about 200 miles (320 km) apart; Moscow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_Idaho) and Missoula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missoula,_Montana) are on opposite sides of the lower Idaho Panhandle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Panhandle), separated by the Bitterroot Mountains (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitterroot_Mountains) over Lolo Pass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolo_Pass_(Idaho%E2%80%93Montana)).
Both were members of the old Pacific Coast Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coast_Conference) (the forerunner of today's Pac-12 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Conference));[788] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-melvnwv-788) Montana departed after the 1949 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Montana_Grizzlies_football_team) season, and the PCC disbanded in the summer of 1959. The universities were charter members of the Big Sky Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Conference) in 1963 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Montana_Grizzlies_football_team),[789] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-srsixwst-789)[790] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-bsrdflc-790)(although Idaho remained an independent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_independent_schools) in football until 1965 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_Idaho_Vandals_football_team)) and their final season as conference opponents was in 1995 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Montana_Grizzlies_football_team). While Montana has been in the Big Sky since its inception, Idaho has changed its conference affiliation no fewer than five times since 1995: Idaho moved to the Big West (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_West_Conference) for all sports in 1996 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season), returning to Division I-A after 18 years in I-AA. After the 2000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season) season, the Big West dropped football. Idaho became a football-only member of the Sun Belt Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt_Conference) in 2001 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season) while remaining a full Big West member. Idaho joined the WAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Athletic_Conference) for all sports in 2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_season) as part of a major NCAA conference realignment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NCAA_conference_realignment). After the WAC experienced a near-complete membership turnover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9313_Western_Athletic_Conference_realig nment) in the early 2010s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932014_NCAA_conference_realignment), it dropped football after the 2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Western_Athletic_Conference_football_season) season. Idaho football was an FBS independent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_independent_schools) for one season in 2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Idaho_Vandals_football_team), then returned to the Big Sky in 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Idaho_Vandals_football_team) except for football, which rejoined the Sun Belt. Idaho will drop back to FCS in 2018 and resume football membership in the Big Sky.[784] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-idtwbrego-784)[791] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Vandals_football#cite_note-791)

lionsrking2

May 14th, 2018, 12:53 PM

Nicholls State

clenz

May 14th, 2018, 12:54 PM

In before NDSU fans start some bull****.

SIU and MSU.

Saluki and Bear week are a thing.

I think we should limit this to like 2 teams. Anymore than that and I think the spirit of a true rival gets missed.

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IBleedYellow

May 14th, 2018, 12:56 PM

Everyone.

No other NDSU fans need post here.

clenz

May 14th, 2018, 01:00 PM

Everyone.

No other NDSU fans need post here.

But....how’s that work for those of us that don’t consider you a rival?

You know what? I don’t even want to start the trolling this early even if you and I could have fun with it.

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VandalBasher

May 14th, 2018, 01:01 PM

Everyone.

No other NDSU fans need post here.

I like your style. Until someone can knockoff the big dog, everyone will be gunning for the Bison.

IBleedYellow

May 14th, 2018, 01:04 PM

I like your style. Until someone can knockoff the big dog, everyone will be gunning for the Bison.

Moreso I'm trying to alleviate a pissing match to stop Ursus having to come in here and be a grumpy grizzly bear.

Go Lehigh TU owl

May 14th, 2018, 01:08 PM

For Lehigh

1. Lafayette - No Question
2. Colgate - The Raiders have emerged as Lehigh's 2nd biggest game of the year over the last 20 years
3. Delaware - Because it still should matter a lot

Laker

May 14th, 2018, 01:13 PM

MSU-Mankato:

Traditionally the biggest rival is St. Cloud. However, they are in the North division for football and basketball. In football we only play them every other year. In basketball we only have one conference game with them. So the rivalry has lost its luster. We do play for the Athletic Trainer's Kit.

Winona has become a big rival from the basketball battles from before they were in the same conference. Both schools wear purple. Back in 1936 Winona won a coin flip to see who got to wear it. MSU lost and wore black (or navy) and orange for twenty years until they switched back to purple and gold. Now they have become big rivals in football since they are in the same division.

centennial

May 14th, 2018, 01:22 PM

But....how’s that work for those of us that don’t consider you a rival?

You know what? I don’t even want to start the trolling this early even if you and I could have fun with it.

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We have no real rivalry. The truth is whoever can beat us twice in four years. Otherwise we don't care. We especially don't care about the UNDies.

IBleedYellow

May 14th, 2018, 01:34 PM

We have no real rivalry. The truth is whoever can beat us twice in four years. Otherwise we don't care. We especially don't care about the UNDies.

Basically if you beat us in a certain amount of time, NDSU fans get angry and want nothing more than seeing you lose to us 5 times in a row.

Outsider1

May 14th, 2018, 01:37 PM

We don't really have one yet. UIW came into FCS with us, but weren't around in the LSC long enough to become rivals before the transition. Since we have gone to the SLC we haven't been competitive enough to build a rivalry...

Thumper 76

May 14th, 2018, 01:44 PM

NDSU for the Dakota Marker Game and USeD for the Little Brown Jug, both of which currently reside in Brookings xcoffeex

Dakota Marker

Technically the Marker hasn’t been around all that long, started in 2004 and SDSU has a record of 6-8 in Marker specific games. The playoff games don’t count towards the Marker.
This series has been played since 1903 with 107 meetings between the two. NDSU leads 60-42-5. The game is generally known nationally and a very hyped matchup every year between two top ten programs more often than not recently. Considered the “brotherly” rivalry, it’s generally been the friendlier rivalry between fanbases. That is starting to change IMO, you can sense the tension and dislike grow a little more every year. Especially since the Marker has changed its address to Brookings the last two years.

More info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Marker

SDSU/USeD

This one is a little older, going all the way back to 1889, with 113 meetings between the two programs. SDSU is on a 9 game win streak and has lost a total of three games to the yotes since 1989. The rivalry was put on hold when SDSU made the jump to FCS until both teams were in the MVFC. The last loss for SDSU in this series was November 4, 2000. That means when the game is played this year, there will be kids who are legal to vote and buy cigarettes who were born after the last yote victory over SDSU. SDSU leases the series 54-52-7.

More info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota–South_Dakota_State_football_rivalry

To explain the difference in the rivalry’s to people who aren’t Jacks fans I say this. We want to beat the cows in the worst way and love beating them. We never want to lose to the yotes because that would be embarrassing.

*Thats just my personal feelings, but I feel it echoes the general fanbase.

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Thumper 76

May 14th, 2018, 01:45 PM

Basically if you beat us in a certain amount of time, NDSU fans get angry and want nothing more than seeing you lose to us 5 times in a row.

Very similar to a tantrum xlolx

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ASU33

May 14th, 2018, 02:00 PM

For us it would be:

1a-Tuskegee- The schools are 36 miles apart and this is one of the oldest rivalries in HBCU football. Sadly we've only beaten Tuskegee 4 times since 1998. We hate Tuskegee and they hate us. Period!

1b-Alabama A&M- We meet half way in Birmingham every year in the Magic City Classic which is one of the largest attended games in FCS yearly with 63,000+ at Legion Field. Since 2002 9 meetings have been decided by a possession or less. Outside of the game this is one of the biggest sporting events in the country with over 100,000 people coming into town, week long tailgating, celebrities, concerts, and everything else.

2. Alcorn State-recently this game has grown in importance. Alcorn has won the SWAC's Eastern Division 4 years in a row and we've loss close to them the last few years.

3. Savannah State- The game was played annually in Columbus, Georgia from 1951-2005 but was discontinued after the rivalry became non competitive and increasingly one sided. Before the rivalry ended this game would draw 25,000 into tiny McClung Stadium in Columbus and had an unreal tailgate experience. Alabama State had won 16 meetings in a row before the game was discontinued in 2004 with the last 6 meetings all being decided by 30 points or more. Because of this the crowd size shrunk from 25,000 to less than 10,000 in 2004. There was a nasty lawsuit between the schools once the series ended and for years the two weren't on "speaking terms". The game returned for 2 seasons in 2008 and 2009 but only drew about 12,000. There has been talks recently about bringing the game back but no terms have been agreed on.

RichH2

May 14th, 2018, 02:00 PM

For Lehigh

1. Lafayette - No Question
2. Colgate - The Raiders have emerged as Lehigh's 2nd biggest game of the year over the last 20 years
3. Delaware - Because it still should matter a lot

Agree sort of :). We should stick Penn in there also.

The Cats

May 14th, 2018, 02:13 PM

BisonTru

May 14th, 2018, 02:18 PM

Indiana State...

Always get jacked for Tree week.

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McNeese72

May 14th, 2018, 02:22 PM

For the older McNeese fans it will always be USL (ULL, or U (whatever the hell) L they want to call themselves now. Even, if we don't ever play them in football but once a blue moon.

Doc

VandalBasher

May 14th, 2018, 02:41 PM

For the Admin, is there a way to highlight on the FCS spreadsheet with each of the rivalry games?

November 10th is going to be a great game in Moscow.

centennial

May 14th, 2018, 02:44 PM

Very similar to a tantrum xlolx

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If we beat SDSU regularly again, all of the sudden it'll become the cute little brother.

Lorne_Malvo

May 14th, 2018, 02:50 PM

Very similar to a tantrum xlolx

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Fair assessment. I plead guilty.

clenz

May 14th, 2018, 03:00 PM

For the Admin, is there a way to highlight on the FCS spreadsheet with each of the rivalry games?

November 10th is going to be a great game in Moscow.

To the point of this thread, what’s considered a rivalry? What games would make the cut? Idaho and Boise State May have been a rivalry but it no longer is. That’d be like calling UNI and Iowa rivals. It’s at fit many of the criteria but it’s just not.

There are some UNI fans, and many NDSU fans, that would call that game a rivalry. Almost all UNI fans and a large number of NDSU fans (especially the long time/more involved/knowledgeable) would say it is an intense game, heated on the field, but it’s not a rivalry game. We only play NDSU in football. It’s not a rivalry game for is (UNI).

99% of people from the outside would look at UNI/Missouri State and go “no way that’s a rivalry”. UNI is 33-5 against MSU, MSU hasn’t won since 05, and about 1/3rd of the games of the series has been a laugher. Yet it’s a rivalry for us. “Bear week” rolls around and it means something. Week, it used to mean more but it turns out after winning 33 of 38 games and 12 in a row in blow our fashion the fans start to lose interest to students and upcoming generations it isn’t as important, but overall it’s a big thing. It also doesn’t help that former UNI coach, Terry Allen, is no longer the HC at MSU.

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The MVFC is weird in that way. It’s a only football conference made up of 3 conferences. The MVC teams in the MVFC will come sidered each other rivals and the Summit teams will consider Summit teams rivals and YSU is all alone and doesn’t belong with us.

The one exception is WIU, who has been a MVFC/Gateway member since day 1 with 30+ years of games against the MVC teams

Side note while I said Iowa and UNI is t a rivalry that is the one game I want to win. Period. I want to beat Iowa. Couldn’t care less about ever winning a natty if we beat Iowa.

Also, NDSU fans can STFU about that one too

I like the idea and maybe it’s something the wedge member can spitball behind the scenes to creat something.

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IBleedYellow

May 14th, 2018, 03:37 PM

To the point of this thread, what’s considered a rivalry? What games would make the cut? Idaho and Boise State May have been a rivalry but it no longer is. That’d be like calling UNI and Iowa rivals. It’s at fit many of the criteria but it’s just not.

There are some UNI fans, and many NDSU fans, that would call that game a rivalry. Almost all UNI fans and a large number of NDSU fans (especially the long time/more involved/knowledgeable) would say it is an intense game, heated on the field, but it’s not a rivalry game. We only play NDSU in football. It’s not a rivalry game for is (UNI).

99% of people from the outside would look at UNI/Missouri State and go “no way that’s a rivalry”. UNI is 33-5 against MSU, MSU hasn’t won since 05, and about 1/3rd of the games of the series has been a laugher. Yet it’s a rivalry for us. “Bear week” rolls around and it means something. Week, it used to mean more but it turns out after winning 33 of 38 games and 12 in a row in blow our fashion the fans start to lose interest to students and upcoming generations it isn’t as important, but overall it’s a big thing. It also doesn’t help that former UNI coach, Terry Allen, is no longer the HC at MSU.

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The MVFC is weird in that way. It’s a only football conference made up of 3 conferences. The MVC teams in the MVFC will come sidered each other rivals and the Summit teams will consider Summit teams rivals and YSU is all alone and doesn’t belong with us.

The one exception is WIU, who has been a MVFC/Gateway member since day 1 with 30+ years of games against the MVC teams

Side note while I said Iowa and UNI is t a rivalry that is the one game I want to win. Period. I want to beat Iowa. Couldn’t care less about ever winning a natty if we beat Iowa.

Also, NDSU fans can STFU about that one too

I like the idea and maybe it’s something the wedge member can spitball behind the scenes to creat something.

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Ironically enough, the year we beat Iowa we didn't win the National Title.

Felt like a wasted year.

POD Knows

May 14th, 2018, 03:40 PM

To the point of this thread, what’s considered a rivalry? What games would make the cut? Idaho and Boise State May have been a rivalry but it no longer is. That’d be like calling UNI and Iowa rivals. It’s at fit many of the criteria but it’s just not.

There are some UNI fans, and many NDSU fans, that would call that game a rivalry. Almost all UNI fans and a large number of NDSU fans (especially the long time/more involved/knowledgeable) would say it is an intense game, heated on the field, but it’s not a rivalry game. We only play NDSU in football. It’s not a rivalry game for is (UNI).

99% of people from the outside would look at UNI/Missouri State and go “no way that’s a rivalry”. UNI is 33-5 against MSU, MSU hasn’t won since 05, and about 1/3rd of the games of the series has been a laugher. Yet it’s a rivalry for us. “Bear week” rolls around and it means something. Week, it used to mean more but it turns out after winning 33 of 38 games and 12 in a row in blow our fashion the fans start to lose interest to students and upcoming generations it isn’t as important, but overall it’s a big thing. It also doesn’t help that former UNI coach, Terry Allen, is no longer the HC at MSU.

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The MVFC is weird in that way. It’s a only football conference made up of 3 conferences. The MVC teams in the MVFC will come sidered each other rivals and the Summit teams will consider Summit teams rivals and YSU is all alone and doesn’t belong with us.

The one exception is WIU, who has been a MVFC/Gateway member since day 1 with 30+ years of games against the MVC teams

Side note while I said Iowa and UNI is t a rivalry that is the one game I want to win. Period. I want to beat Iowa. Couldn’t care less about ever winning a natty if we beat Iowa.

Also, NDSU fans can STFU about that one too

I like the idea and maybe it’s something the wedge member can spitball behind the scenes to creat something.

Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkDidn't your non involved fans storm the field at the garage when UNI beat us a couple years back. Your whole season is defined by whether or not you beat NDSU, don't kid yourself.

clenz

May 14th, 2018, 04:30 PM

It’s not.

We’ve also been on the field after SIU games. Big deal.

In general our fans aren’t all that bright in these situations.

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VandalBasher

May 14th, 2018, 04:34 PM

If we beat EWU and Montana this season, all will be forgiven. I assure you, there will be rushing of the field after getting that monkey off our backs.

Bison Fan in NW MN

May 14th, 2018, 04:58 PM

We have no real rivalry. The truth is whoever can beat us twice in four years. Otherwise we don't care. We especially don't care about the UNDies.

I agree with this but UND is still the "natural" rival and probably always will be.

SDSU is a "manufactured" rival. They didn't do squat in D2 or basically throughout the history of the 2 programs except their run from 09 on.

UNI isn't a rival either. It is fun to beat their asses but football and now wrestling again are the only sports that will consistently play each other.

But make no mistake, in football, everyone is gunning for the Bison and it doesn't matter what anyone from the other Valley teams say on here.....every team has the NDSU game circled.

PAllen

May 14th, 2018, 04:58 PM

Penn State

Bison Fan in NW MN

May 14th, 2018, 05:02 PM

Penn State

If you are a wrestling fan....Penn State/Lehigh is a must see. I need to get to one of these someday....xnodx

uni88

May 14th, 2018, 05:28 PM

99% of people from the outside would look at UNI/Missouri State and go “no way that’s a rivalry”. UNI is 33-5 against MSU, MSU hasn’t won since 05, and about 1/3rd of the games of the series has been a laugher. Yet it’s a rivalry for us. “Bear week” rolls around and it means something. Week, it used to mean more but it turns out after winning 33 of 38 games and 12 in a row in blow our fashion the fans start to lose interest to students and upcoming generations it isn’t as important, but overall it’s a big thing.

Side note while I said Iowa and UNI is t a rivalry that is the one game I want to win. Period. I want to beat Iowa. Couldn’t care less about ever winning a natty if we beat Iowa.

Clenz is spot on on SIU and MSU. Bear Week has been a big deal since at least the mid 80's. WIU was always a big game for me because of where I grew up but isn't a rivalry overall.

I disagree on Iowa. I'll take a Natty over a victory against the Hawks. I'm probably in the minority though and most Hawk fans don't believe me (it doesn't fit with their Iowa is the center of the universe perspective).

PaladinNation

May 14th, 2018, 05:39 PM

Rivals for Furman based on tradition and as a Furman fan… I always want to beat The Citadel.
Wofford is a rival but just doesn't have the intensity of the matchups with the Dogs.

Rivals that I miss… Furman vs App and Furman vs GSU.

clenz

May 14th, 2018, 05:40 PM

Clenz is spot on on SIU and MSU. Bear Week has been a big deal since at least the mid 80's. WIU was always a big game for me because of where I grew up but isn't a rivalry overall.

I disagree on Iowa. I'll take a Natty over a victory against the Hawks. I'm probably in the minority though and most Hawk fans don't believe me (it doesn't fit with their Iowa is the center of the universe perspective).
Iowa isn't the center of my universe, but I've long resigned myself to never winning a natty. I'm in the minority there, I get it. I'll take a natty, but I'm also not opposed to the idea of bowl games and blah blah blah bull**** because a natty at UNI will never happen. Doesn't mean that isn't my expectation. Isn't something I push for. Nothing along those lines. It's just my shift over the few years. Iowa is the only team - and maybe Montana - left that I want to see UNI beat. What it would do for UNI would be immeasurable. The damage it would do to Iowa would be awesome. The local talk radio would be worth ****ing recording on cassette like I did songs growing up.

If I were rating the "rivals" of UNI in the MVFC I'd go

1. SIU
2. MSU
3. ISUr
4. YSU
5. WIU
6. NDSU
7. SDSU
8. ISUb
9. USD

In general, if there was a magic way to poll all UNI fans and get an aggregate put together, it would look very similar to this.

VandalBasher

May 14th, 2018, 05:47 PM

It seems I am pretty good with shaking this place up. I am disappointed I didn't come here earlier.

PAllen

May 14th, 2018, 05:49 PM

If you are a wrestling fan....Penn State/Lehigh is a must see. I need to get to one of these someday....xnodx

I figured I'd pick from the one sport where we don't play that little bunch of losers down the road.

katss07

May 14th, 2018, 07:12 PM

For Sam, our number one rival is SFA. No matter how good or bad they are, we want nothing more than to beat them. Playing the game down at NRG Stadium is great and it has a “big time cfb” atmosphere. The rivalry is also big in basketball and baseball. SFA has always been and always will be the rival. I hate the Jacks (in a friendly rivalry way).

UCA has become a rival of Sam’s over the past few years. For a while now, maybe 5 or 6 years, both teams have had great success. From the huge conference title game in Huntsville (Kats won) in 16, the game this past year that decided the conference title again and the game on the stripes that decided a playoff spot a few years ago, the SLC has been a top heavy power struggle between these two programs. Both have had consistent success for a while now and that has led to a nice battle every year. It isn’t a traditional rival, but over the past 5 years, it has developed into an annual game that decides the SLC most of the time.

RootinFerDukes

May 14th, 2018, 07:19 PM

I like your style. Until someone can knockoff the big dog, everyone will be gunning for the Bison.

Someone did...

RootinFerDukes

May 14th, 2018, 07:27 PM

andthehomeofthe-BIZON-

May 14th, 2018, 07:43 PM

It’s not.

We’ve also been on the field after SIU games. Big deal.

In general our fans aren’t all that bright in these situations.

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Eh some of these Rival things depend on your favorite sports and when your born. My dad wrestled for NDSU and I was grew up hating UNI. I was born in the late 80's so by the time I was going to football games we were playing UNI in football and you were good. To me UND, UNI, and then a long way down is SDSU. It's all perspective

SFA 93

May 14th, 2018, 07:52 PM

Prison Tech, AKA Sam Houston State

clenz

May 14th, 2018, 07:56 PM

UNI isn't a rival either. It is fun to beat their asses but football and now wrestling again are the only sports that will consistently play each other.

Well, UNI dominated the WWC when we were there with you. So much so that UNI wrestled less seasons in the WWC yet had more meadlists, more champions, more team titles, etc.. than NDSU.

One year into the B12 and UNI beat NSDU head to head, finished higher in the conference meet and had more all americans than NDSU had NCAA qualifiers.

Actually I just checked the records...as of today UNI is 22-3-1 all time vs NDSU in wrestling.

Our current HC is 5-1 vs NDSU

Hell vs SDSU UNI is 38-4-1

Unless you weren't insinuating you kicked UNI's ass in wrestling....which would be true.xlolx

clenz

May 14th, 2018, 08:00 PM

Eh some of these Rival things depend on your favorite sports and when your born. My dad wrestled for NDSU and I was grew up hating UNI. I was born in the late 80's so by the time I was going to football games we were playing UNI in football and you were good. To me UND, UNI, and then a long way down is SDSU. It's all perspective
People, in general, between NDSU and UNI that consider UNI/NDSU a rivalry

Those that were aged 10-30 in the 1960s and 1970s and then a small % of people looking for conference mates to call rivals in the last decade. The two schools went something like 28 years between games against each other and played 1 time in 30.

Anyone born after say 1975 doesn't really know anything about UNI/NDSU football pre 2008. It doesn't exist to them. On the oldest spectrum they were too young to remember it and the oldest kid that knows UNI/NDSU football now is 10 and they were born the year the series got restarted, so they really only know the last 3, maybe 4, years. Thus they only know the NDSU dominating side the W/L side of it.

VandalBasher

May 14th, 2018, 08:09 PM

Prison Tech, AKA Sam Houston State

We refer to BSU as boise junior college due to its history as a community college. Trucker U. is also appropriate.

WeAreThePride

May 14th, 2018, 08:22 PM

Rivalry implies peership. NDSU has no peers.

Lion1983

May 14th, 2018, 08:50 PM

Alabama A&M
JSU

Bison Fan in NW MN

May 14th, 2018, 09:32 PM

Well, UNI dominated the WWC when we were there with you. So much so that UNI wrestled less seasons in the WWC yet had more meadlists, more champions, more team titles, etc.. than NDSU.

One year into the B12 and UNI beat NSDU head to head, finished higher in the conference meet and had more all americans than NDSU had NCAA qualifiers.

Actually I just checked the records...as of today UNI is 22-3-1 all time vs NDSU in wrestling.

Our current HC is 5-1 vs NDSU

Hell vs SDSU UNI is 38-4-1

Unless you weren't insinuating you kicked UNI's ass in wrestling....which would be true.xlolx

Trouble with comprehension?

FB and wrestling are the only sports to play each other and being a wrestling fan that I am, I wouldn't post something that is that far off. I meant football, wrestling they started up again but the head/head is lopsided in UNI's favor. NDSU's wrestling coach is mediocre at best.

UNI has the advantage in football 26-25 but in the D1 era it is 7-4 for NDSU.

Bison Fan in NW MN

May 14th, 2018, 09:50 PM

BisonFan02

May 14th, 2018, 09:50 PM

We have no FCS traditional rivals....closest would be SDSU. UND eventually again.

The UNI game isn't a rivalry game....just a good game due to relevance in the reg season and conf championships....its been less relevant lately.

Bison Fan in NW MN

May 14th, 2018, 09:50 PM

Rivalry implies peership. NDSU has no peers.

Nice work!!

xthumbsupx

JALMOND

May 14th, 2018, 10:03 PM

Hard to say who Portland State's real rival is.

1. Cal Poly, because our old head coach coaches there
2. Davis, because of some awesome games back in DII
3. Sac State, because they are the other urban campus in the Big Sky
4. EWU, because of something called the Dam Cup
5. Montana, because well, they are the Grizzlies
6. Montana State, because, well, they are the Bobcats
7. Idaho State, because the conference calls them our rivals
8. Weber State, because Damian Lillard plays basketball here
9. Southern Utah, because they play in Whoville

So I guess that means Idaho, NAU and Northern Colorado are not our rivals.xlolx

dewey

May 14th, 2018, 10:20 PM

We refer to BSU as boise junior college due to its history as a community college. Trucker U. is also appropriate.

Very similar to Grand Forks Community College.

Dewey

JacksFan40

May 14th, 2018, 11:05 PM

Go...gate

May 14th, 2018, 11:52 PM

Some of Colgate's have changed over the years. Right now:

1) Cornell
2) Lehigh
3) Holy Cross

Milktruck74

May 15th, 2018, 06:07 AM

For Western Carolina......

.......still looking for a rival

Seems as everyone in the SoCon is already taken.

ETSU - Chattanooga
Furman - Wofford
The Citadel - VMI
Samford - Mercer
Western Carolina - ???? (maybe in the future - ETSU. or Furman, or maybe Mercer)

While I can't argue with your pairings, I don't think the current crop of SoCon Fans will ever understand the disdain conjured up by the mere mention of the Marshall Thundering Turd.... App State gets an honorable mention in there too (I was their for graduation on Saturday and felt a little queeziness in the pit of my stomach).

Milktruck74

May 15th, 2018, 06:09 AM

I would say currently Chattanooga Fans would put Jax State as our FB rival. Recently the W-L's have been pretty one sided, but the games have been fairly close. Not sure if the Cocks fans would concur, but we are basically the only team they actually have to get up for until the playoffs come around.

PaladinNation

May 15th, 2018, 06:27 AM

While I can't argue with your pairings, I don't think the current crop of SoCon Fans will ever understand the disdain conjured up by the mere mention of the Marshall Thundering Turd.... App State gets an honorable mention in there too (I was their for graduation on Saturday and felt a little queeziness in the pit of my stomach).

I almost said Marshall… xlolx The Furman/Marsha rivalry came to a head in 1988, as well as that same season… cemented the intense rivalry with GSU. We forget that Furman/GSU's first two games were national championship matchups.

Hard to believe that the Furman/GSU rivalry consisted of only 25 matchups… when both teams were loaded — it was a spectacle.

http://americansportsnet.com/news/greatest-moments-furman-beat-fiercest-rival-for-1988-division-i-aa-championship

UNHWildcat18

May 15th, 2018, 06:45 AM

For UNH Football it's

1)Maine
2)Umass

Also important we keep beating the other Northeast teams however, even if they aren't our "rivals"

ST_Lawson

May 15th, 2018, 08:28 AM

For Western Illinois, it'd probably be Illinois State, although I know we're not their #1 rivalry (that'd probably be either EIU or maybe SIU), but it's the one that seems like it can sometimes get the most emotional. It's also the one we've played the most, with last year being the 100th meeting.

Secondarily for us, UNI and SIU because we've been playing them for so long. I know that we've got nothing on the rivalries between UNI, SIU, and MSU though because they've been in the same conference for all sports for years. Our problem is that we have a few matchups that get heated in football, but when it comes to basketball and other sports, we've been the one constant in a league that has changed a lot. We joined when it was founded in 1982. Outside of us, the "oldest" continuous members are Fort Wayne, NDSU, and SDSU, who all joined in 2007. It's kinda hard to build up an all-sports rivalry when pretty much everyone you've been in the conference with has moved on to the Horizon League, Missouri Valley, or somewhere else.

IBleedYellow

May 15th, 2018, 08:34 AM

Someone did...And then failed the second time. So guess what NDSU is still the gold standard.

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ysubigred

May 15th, 2018, 09:52 AM

clenz

May 15th, 2018, 09:54 AM

YSU has no rivals in the MVFC. We basically only see each school for football xsmhx Geographical location is a bitch for rivals.

Really enjoy SIU games at their place and hate UNI, because no matter how bad their team is they seem to have YSU's number xbangx

Our worst teams have been as good/better than your best teams over the last decade or so sans one hot streak a couple years ago where YSU got every bounce their way.

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ysubigred

May 15th, 2018, 09:58 AM

Our worst teams have been as good/better than your best teams over the last decade or so sans one hot streak a couple years ago where YSU got every bounce their way.

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You might be right. I've always told my guys when we play UNI,,, UNI could dress the band and some how YSU will lose this game LOL!!

How are you all looking this year? I think YSU will be a surprise now will it be a good or bad surprise xlolx

100%GRIZ

May 15th, 2018, 10:07 AM

Now - 1. EWU
2. Idaho
3. MSU

2020 - 1. Idaho
2. EWU
3. MSU

VandalBasher

May 15th, 2018, 10:24 AM

Now - 1. EWU
2. Idaho
3. MSU

2020 - 1. Idaho
2. EWU
3. MSU

This is going to get fun. I know Griz fans travel well. I would guess this will be one of the highest attended games in the last decade due to about 4-6k Griz fans.

Please visit the Dome on the 10th of November. I'll get the first beer at the Corner Club.

Gil Dobie

May 15th, 2018, 10:28 AM

Like it or not, UND, SDSU, USD
Georgia Southern was a good playoff rival for a few years, but we finished 3-0 against them.
Sam Houston has been a fun playoff rival, as is James Madison.
UNI, well they won a bunch of conference titles, and beat up on the Gateway, not sure if they are a rival yet.

Model Citizen

May 15th, 2018, 10:36 AM

Some from the Pioneer League...

Marist: gotta be Georgetown. Who else would it be?

Butler-Valpo

Dayton-USD

Drake-Penn Yes, these schools compete for late-April track meet talent. Back in the 80s, when Drake pulled half its roster from PA, they also competed for football recruits. So naturally ...uh. xdontknowx Ok - never mind.

Stetson-JU

Davidson: currently not good enough to be anyone's rival.

Schism55

May 15th, 2018, 10:47 AM

This is going to get fun. I know Griz fans travel well. I would guess this will be one of the highest attended games in the last decade due to about 4-6k Griz fans.

Please visit the Dome on the 10th of November. I'll get the first beer at the Corner Club.
I will be doing my best to be at this game, should be a banger. I've been to a handful of games at Kibbie over the years, I love that goofy dome for some reason xsmiley_wix

VandalBasher

May 15th, 2018, 11:27 AM

I will be doing my best to be at this game, should be a banger. I've been to a handful of games at Kibbie over the years, I love that goofy dome for some reason xsmiley_wix

Banger in the Hanger!

Do you need a job? We could use some extreme assistance with marketing the Vandals in the FCS.

katss07

May 15th, 2018, 11:29 AM

Idaho will add a lot to rivalries in the FCS. Montana and ISU will re kindle old rivalries right away, especially if the teams are good.

ST_Lawson

May 15th, 2018, 11:32 AM

Banger in the Hanger!

Bang her in the where?....I don't think she'd like that very much.

VandalBasher

May 15th, 2018, 11:35 AM

Bang her in the where?....I don't think she'd like that very much.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1108682-25-wackiest-college-football-stadium-names#slide13

13. Kibbie Dome: Idaho

13 OF 25

That's not an airplane hangar.
Nor is it a barn.
Or even some sort of waste water plant.
No, that's Idaho's infamous Kibbie Dome.
It looks nothing like other domes, having its own unique agricultural flair.
It's also the smallest stadium in FBS football.

Sammy94

May 15th, 2018, 11:39 AM

SFAwful

ST_Lawson

May 15th, 2018, 11:48 AM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1108682-25-wackiest-college-football-stadium-names#slide13

13. Kibbie Dome: Idaho

13 OF 25

That's not an airplane hangar.
Nor is it a barn.
Or even some sort of waste water plant.
No, that's Idaho's infamous Kibbie Dome.
It looks nothing like other domes, having its own unique agricultural flair.
It's also the smallest stadium in FBS football.

Oh, I know. I'm just being silly.

It actually looks pretty nice for an indoor facility, although it does look a little like one of those old blimp hangars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Air_Station_Tustin#/media/File:Tustin_Blimp_Hangar_No_2.jpg). I'd imagine the angle of the roof would make the field pretty loud at times (if the crowd gets loud...bounces all the noise going up back down towards the field (http://slideplayer.com/slide/1584584/5/images/26/Reflection+of+sound+waves..jpg)).

JSUSoutherner

May 15th, 2018, 11:49 AM

Our rival is the second round of the FCS playoffs.

GAD

May 15th, 2018, 12:04 PM

1.Grambling- In state rival that has produced some of the largest crowds in the history of FCS

2a. Jackson State- With two of the largest most passionate fan bases in FCS this one is always intense

2b. FAMU- These two just don't like each other, but love to beat each other(at one point it was the longest running non-conf series in HBCU football)

3. Alcorn State- This one is friendly, the tailgate is known as "The Worlds Largest Outdoor Picnic" and usually starts the Thursday before the game

DFW HOYA

May 15th, 2018, 12:06 PM

The Good: Our leading rival right now is Villanova.

The Bad: Villanova has no interest in a series.

The Ugly: Georgetown hasn't played a football game with them in 68 years.

Sycamore62

May 15th, 2018, 12:06 PM

Indiana State...

Always get jacked for Tree week.

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Why? Because you like the "no upside" games? you should win and it does nothing to help you, a loss is awful and there's a chance for injury.

ASU33

May 15th, 2018, 01:16 PM

Why has Tuskegee dominated the series as of late? They are D2 with 36 scholarships, I'm assuming. Is ASU fully funded at 63?

ASU should have an advantage in talent you would think if they are fully funded.

Tuskegee has dominated the series through out history not just as of late. Tuskegee leads the overall series record at 64-38-4. Tuskegee brings a lot of kids in on academic scholarships as well as the football scholarships they offer. Tuskegee is a prestigious institution so they're able to go coast to coast to bring in talent. Many of our losses to the over the last 20 years have been by 7 points or less. TU plays us hard as hell and to be honest plenty of times we've gone into the matchup with the "they're just D2" mentality and the next thing you know you're down a few scores.

Thumper 76

May 15th, 2018, 01:23 PM

USD is far bigger of a rival than NDSU. When we lose to NDSU, I get over it pretty quick, when we lose to USD in basketball, since they haven’t beaten us in FB for 15+ years, it really stings. The xDSU’s just don’t like the UxD’s at all. Augustana used to be big until the D1 move.

I think it depends on when you went to school at State. When I was there the only interaction with the yotes we had was when they came up and acted like assholes on Hobo Day. NDSU was and is the big one for me. To be honest it really matters what sport it is though looking at attendance and hype before the games. Basketball is probably USeD #1 and NDSU #2 while football is NDSU #1 and USeD #2. The Marker Game dwarfs whatever the game with the Yotes is, nationally and locally. We didn’t even get 16k to the last game vs the Yotes at home. The Marker Game was almost 19k.

And I laugh at the people who scoff at the “manufactured” Marker Game. Sure it started out that way, but at least it’s not the South Dakota Corn Showdown, brought to you by the South Dakota Corn Council and your team has to wear orange gear to try and prop it up. Barf.

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BEAR

May 15th, 2018, 01:43 PM

UCA: SLC- No rival yet. I think McNeese becoming a good one but none really solidified yet.
OOC: Missouri State isn't a rival but games we've had have been phenomenal. Regionally close.

Bisonator

May 15th, 2018, 02:26 PM

Let's put it this way, there is only one school NDSU fans hope burns to the ****ing ground.

centennial

May 15th, 2018, 02:27 PM

I think it depends on when you went to school at State. When I was there the only interaction with the yotes we had was when they came up and acted like assholes on Hobo Day. NDSU was and is the big one for me. To be honest it really matters what sport it is though looking at attendance and hype before the games. Basketball is probably USeD #1 and NDSU #2 while football is NDSU #1 and USeD #2. The Marker Game dwarfs whatever the game with the Yotes is, nationally and locally. We didn’t even get 16k to the last game vs the Yotes at home. The Marker Game was almost 19k.

And I laugh at the people who scoff at the “manufactured” Marker Game. Sure it started out that way, but at least it’s not the South Dakota Corn Showdown, brought to you by the South Dakota Corn Council and your team has to wear orange gear to try and prop it up. Barf.

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At best we are friendly rivals. It's not the heated rivalry that some of the other fan bases see. That will at least take another decade. And NDSU to kick SDSU out of a few basketball Summit tournaments, and SDSU to actually beat NDSU in the playoffs. And with the UNDies coming back we might not have a real rivalry anymore. The younger fans really don't give a **** about UND.

Silenoz

May 15th, 2018, 02:32 PM

I guess whomever the Big Sky currently has ordained us with xrolleyesx

Silenoz

May 15th, 2018, 02:34 PM

Rivalry implies peership. NDSU has no peers.
Really? I was lead to believe it was 'Bama

Rjones61

May 15th, 2018, 02:37 PM

Everyone in the Big Sky considers the Montana Grizzlies a rival.

Silenoz

May 15th, 2018, 02:39 PM

Everyone in the Big Sky considers the Montana Grizzlies a rival.
Can we decline those invitations until we get good again?

VandalBasher

May 15th, 2018, 02:54 PM

Everyone in the Big Sky considers the Montana Grizzlies a rival.

I look forward to this game to be renewed. After 84 games, this is still a rivalry.

TheKingpin28

May 15th, 2018, 03:42 PM

Let's put it this way, there is only one school NDSU fans hope burns to the ****ing ground.Minnesota? xthumbsupx

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katss07

May 15th, 2018, 04:00 PM

UCA: SLC- No rival yet. I think McNeese becoming a good one but none really solidified yet.
OOC: Missouri State isn't a rival but games we've had have been phenomenal. Regionally close.
xbawlingx No mention of Sammy?? We’ve had a few fun games over the past few years...

WestCoastAggie

May 15th, 2018, 04:05 PM

CUFor A&T:

NCCU is our rival, in all sports. In everything really...

It's been heated for decades. In fact, our bulldog mascot came to be after an Aggie brought the dog to a football game against NCCU. The dog took a chunk out of an NCCU player. We also fight in other sports and have for decades.

https://youtu.be/NrlzQeAHTnk

But all MEAC games can get testy, especially against BCU and FAMU.

WestCoastAggie

May 15th, 2018, 04:06 PM

Rjones61

May 15th, 2018, 04:21 PM

Can we decline those invitations until we get good again?

No. Everyone likes beating up the rich kid.

ASU33

May 15th, 2018, 04:50 PM

Who gets the most hate; FAMU or Jackson State?

As of late I would say Jackson State. SU/JSUs hate extends to EVERYTHING. Definitely one of the most electric and intense games in FCS.

Winterborn

May 15th, 2018, 05:32 PM

Let's put it this way, there is only one school NDSU fans hope burns to the ****ing ground.

No need to waste any effort on them, they are doing a good job without any outside help. xcoffeex Personally for me it is SDSU, have family that went down there and it is fun going back and forth with them.

cx500d

May 15th, 2018, 06:31 PM

Personally for me it is SDSU, have family that went down there and it is fun going back and forth with them.

Hopefully you don’t have to support them now that McDonalds has a living wage.

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ncspiderfan

May 15th, 2018, 07:26 PM

For JMU our most hated rival is the red sweater vests of UR. Unfortunately, they’ll tell you WM is their top rival. More like oldest and most boring rivalry.
JMU doesn’t have a football rival that hates us equally in return. We almost had that with odu but they were fancy smancy and had to go bleed money in the sun belt version 2.0.

We also have history with Bill and Mary but holy moly can that be a boring rivalry. They’re much friendlier than their spatter counter parts.

UD and VU have given us great games in the last 20 years but a lack of regional proximity limits those rivalries.
I would not call WM vs UR overly boring, with WM leading the series 62-61-5.

As for big games however, I would admit JMU vs UR has produced some classics of late, from the punt game at UR to Game Day at JMU.

My pick for our rival would still be WM (the game started being played in 1898), but you guys IMO are far more hated by our fan base than WM, likely due to the fact that for most of the last ten years the game almost always has playoff implications.

Winterborn

May 16th, 2018, 11:23 AM

Hopefully you don’t have to support them now that McDonalds has a living wage.

Never did, everybody needs to learn from ones mistakes. :D

BEAR

May 16th, 2018, 11:54 AM

xbawlingx No mention of Sammy?? We’ve had a few fun games over the past few years...

Really? I know you've enjoyed it. Not us so much. Series tied 6-6 but you guys have won by bunches lately.

2017- UCA by 11
2016- Sammy by 36
2015- Sammy by 29
2014- Sammy by 7
2013- UCA by 18
2012- UCA by 4
2011- Sammy by 21
2010- Sammy by 7
2009- Sammy by 3
2008- UCA by 2 (Heck of a game with Bomar and Brown at QBs)
2007- UCA by 21
2006- UCA by 8

Redbird 4th & short

May 16th, 2018, 12:48 PM

ISUr most "hated" rival would have to be non-conf game we schedule every year ... EIU .. those that remember Bears-Packers from 1980's ... it just gets ugly at times, though not as bad the past couple years. They probably hate us more than we hate them .. more money at our school type thing. Some in Redbird Nation would rather we didn't play them every year ... but OOC scheduling is not easy, so likely not going to change .. played them like 105+ straight years. Last year, we dominated them .. most years it is tough scrum of a game, one way or another .. even 2014 when we were way better, it was ugly game.

katss07

May 16th, 2018, 01:05 PM

Really? I know you've enjoyed it. Not us so much. Series tied 6-6 but you guys have won by bunches lately.

2017- UCA by 11
2016- Sammy by 36
2015- Sammy by 29
2014- Sammy by 7
2013- UCA by 18
2012- UCA by 4
2011- Sammy by 21
2010- Sammy by 7
2009- Sammy by 3
2008- UCA by 2 (Heck of a game with Bomar and Brown at QBs)
2007- UCA by 21
2006- UCA by 8
Aside from the 2016 game, most of the time our games have been really fun. And that 2016 had the highest stakes of them all (although the 2015 game was important). Idk I just think it has been an important series plus the JB vs Hildebrand has been a great head to head. I know here at Sam, the UCA game has been 1. our most anticipated game every year for a while now and 2. it has been the biggest conference game in the entire SLC.

WileECoyote06

May 16th, 2018, 01:25 PM

Definitely A&T in all sports and other competitive things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_A%26T%E2%80%93North_Carolina_Centra l_rivalry

Thumper 76

May 16th, 2018, 02:03 PM

At best we are friendly rivals. It's not the heated rivalry that some of the other fan bases see. That will at least take another decade. And NDSU to kick SDSU out of a few basketball Summit tournaments, and SDSU to actually beat NDSU in the playoffs. And with the UNDies coming back we might not have a real rivalry anymore. The younger fans really don't give a **** about UND.

It is getting noticeably more heated. SDSU has gotten there after the playoff losses. The NDSU side is getting there after the last two Marker games. You can really see it on social media. When an opposing teams fans goes out of their way to talk **** about any post made about your school by your school, you can tell. I can tell when I talk to people around Fargo. I could tell after the Marker Game in Fargo. My dad could tell after the Marker Game in Fargo. If SDSU manages to keep it close this year, it will continue to grow. If UND gets molly whopped like I expect then I think the UND/NDSU rivalry will be similar to the USeD/SDSU one is right now. Give it another 4-5 years with a couple Jackrabbit wins, or even one Jacks win in the playoffs, and it’s going to get real heated.

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GAD

May 16th, 2018, 03:10 PM

Who gets the most hate; FAMU or Jackson State?
FAMU

Yotes21

May 16th, 2018, 03:14 PM

If SDSU manages to keep it close this year, it will continue to grow. If UND gets molly whopped like I expect then I think the UND/NDSU rivalry will be similar to the USeD/SDSU one is right now.

Molly whopped must mean getting beat by at most 7 points the last 3 years in football to sdac and USD winning the Corn Showdown the last two years.

Thumper 76

May 16th, 2018, 03:26 PM

Molly whopped must mean getting beat by at most 7 points the last 3 years in football to sdac and USD winning the Corn Showdown the last two years.

Molly whopped means 3 wins in 30 years and 0 wins in 18 years vs SDSU. Not sure how having good golf and track and field teams equates into the conversation on a football board. Congrats on the corporate pushed rivalry showdown though, it’s sure equated to big dance appearances, retaining head coaches and top players, as well as general national exposure.

Congrats on your close losses though xlolx

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F'N Hawks

May 16th, 2018, 03:30 PM

It is getting noticeably more heated. SDSU has gotten there after the playoff losses. The NDSU side is getting there after the last two Marker games. You can really see it on social media. When an opposing teams fans goes out of their way to talk **** about any post made about your school by your school, you can tell. I can tell when I talk to people around Fargo. I could tell after the Marker Game in Fargo. My dad could tell after the Marker Game in Fargo. If SDSU manages to keep it close this year, it will continue to grow. If UND gets molly whopped like I expect then I think the UND/NDSU rivalry will be similar to the USeD/SDSU one is right now. Give it another 4-5 years with a couple Jackrabbit wins, or even one Jacks win in the playoffs, and it’s going to get real heated.

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yah, real heated. xlolx

Yotes21

May 16th, 2018, 03:31 PM

Molly whopped means 3 wins in 30 years and 0 wins in 18 years vs SDSU. Not sure how having good golf and track and field teams equates into the conversation on a football board. Congrats on the corporate pushed rivalry showdown though, it’s sure equated to big dance appearances, retaining head coaches and top players, as well as general national exposure.

Congrats on your close losses though xlolx

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What was the year (singular) you were in school?

Thumper 76

May 16th, 2018, 03:34 PM

yah, real heated. xlolx

To hear some NDSU fans talk about going to Brookings they’re afraid of getting jumped by SDSU fans and beat with baseball bats just for wearing cow gear, so there’s something there. You shouldn’t have time to get involved in frivolous debates like this anyways, it’s going to hurt your gym time. Get swole son.

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Thumper 76

May 16th, 2018, 03:37 PM

What was the year (singular) you were in school?

Ah yes, the terribly relevant question. 07-10.

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VandalBasher

May 16th, 2018, 03:50 PM

Vandals vs. the Grizzlies: Idaho owns series 55–27–2 (.667)
However,
2003 UM wins 41-28
2002 UM wins 38-31
2001 UM wins 33-27
2000 UM wins 45-38

Vandals vs. the Eagles: Idaho owns series 15-6 (.714)
However,
2012 EWU wins 20-3
2003 EWU wins 8-5 (I was at this game, disgusting)

With Montana having a four game winning streak and EWU with a two game streak should cause Idaho fans to attend these BSC games in mass.

ursus arctos horribilis

May 16th, 2018, 04:03 PM

For the Admin, is there a way to highlight on the FCS spreadsheet with each of the rivalry games?

November 10th is going to be a great game in Moscow.

I'll look at it and come up with something if you pm me in couple weeks.

F'N Hawks

May 16th, 2018, 04:19 PM

To hear some NDSU fans talk about going to Brookings they’re afraid of getting jumped by SDSU fans and beat with baseball bats just for wearing cow gear, so there’s something there. You shouldn’t have time to get involved in frivolous debates like this anyways, it’s going to hurt your gym time. Get swole son.

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LOLOLOL. Now that is manufacturing a rivalry. Good *****, Joe Weider.

ursus arctos horribilis

May 16th, 2018, 04:59 PM

It seems I am pretty good with shaking this place up. I am disappointed I didn't come here earlier.

VB, if you had been here earlier you would have seen that this is not something you have brought to the fray. This place has always been this way and will always be this way. Once you get a chance to go back and see some of the historical threads you will see that this is actually pretty tame. It will increase in July and August as it always does. This seriously goes on all the time. Still wish you had been here earlier though.xthumbsupx

PAllen

May 16th, 2018, 05:05 PM

VB, if you had been here earlier you would have seen that this is not something you have brought to the fray. This place has always been this way and will always be this way. Once you get a chance to go back and see some of the historical threads you will see that this is actually pretty tame. It will increase in July and August as it always does. This seriously goes on all the time. Still wish you had been here earlier though.xthumbsupx

Welcome aboard either way VB.

ursus arctos horribilis

May 16th, 2018, 05:13 PM

Welcome aboard either way VB.

Exactly, we need a Vandal fan in the mix to keep the stew rolling in the correct and spicy direction it has.

BTW, I would like to compliment the NDSU and UND fans for having a bit of decency on this thread. I appreciate it, keep it up.

Silenoz

May 16th, 2018, 05:21 PM

Bring VandalPride while you're at it

VandalBasher

May 16th, 2018, 05:25 PM

Bring VandalPride while you're at it

How do you know him!?!? Hahaha.

It might be too much for both of us on here.

VandalBasher

May 16th, 2018, 05:29 PM

F'N Hawks

May 16th, 2018, 05:38 PM

Exactly, we need a Vandal fan in the mix to keep the stew rolling in the correct and spicy direction it has.

BTW, I would like to compliment the NDSU and UND fans for having a bit of decency on this thread. I appreciate it, keep it up.

Been played out to death, we're all out of thoughts!

PAllen

May 16th, 2018, 05:44 PM

Been played out to death, we're all out of thoughts!

Rookies

POD Knows

May 16th, 2018, 05:58 PM

Exactly, we need a Vandal fan in the mix to keep the stew rolling in the correct and spicy direction it has.

BTW, I would like to compliment the NDSU and UND fans for having a bit of decency on this thread. I appreciate it, keep it up.Jesus Ursus, now you have done, this might be the greatest troll ever.

VandalBasher

May 16th, 2018, 06:04 PM

Jesus Ursus, now you have done, this might be the greatest troll ever.

This thread was a softball from the get-go.

Daytripper

May 16th, 2018, 06:39 PM

SHSU:

Current #1: SFA
SLC #2: Lamar (even though they suck balls every year)
ex-conference, current FBS: Texas State

cx500d

May 16th, 2018, 09:16 PM

SHSU:

Current #1: SFA
SLC #2: Lamar (even though they suck balls every year)
ex-conference, current FBS: Texas State
Current divII: NW Panhandle state

FYP

GreenGlasses

May 16th, 2018, 10:52 PM

For the older McNeese fans it will always be USL (ULL, or U (whatever the hell) L they want to call themselves now. Even, if we don't ever play them in football but once a blue moon.

Doc

I don't know how often McNeese or ULL play in basketball, baseball or Olympic sports but can you actually call someone a rival in football if you have only played twice since 1986. And the fact that ULL will never travel to Lake Charles to play. I don't care if McNeese does own the series 20-16-2.

In the SoCon I only see really one rivalry there and that would be The Citadel and VMI, the series is 40-30-2 with the advantage going to the Cit. Even though it was lopsided the last 15 years I always seen Western Carolina rival as Appalachian State. I don't think WCU, ETSU or UTC have ever been decent at the same time. If they were I think you could see a 3 team rivalry there with WCU and ETSU only an hour twenty mins away and WCU and UTC only a lil over three hours away.

BisonFan02

May 16th, 2018, 11:53 PM

Been played out to death, we're all out of thoughts!

That'll happen when you guys bring nothing to the table.

centennial

May 17th, 2018, 12:09 AM

Jesus Ursus, now you have done, this might be the greatest troll ever.

Oh God. It's happening. Next year we'll have to deal with the clowns thinking they matter.

It'll be nice when they have trouble beating Missouri State and SIU. Indiana State better up their game. We need a new team to go 1-10.

PaladinNation

May 17th, 2018, 06:35 AM

I don't know how often McNeese or ULL play in basketball, baseball or Olympic sports but can you actually call someone a rival in football if you have only played twice since 1986. And the fact that ULL will never travel to Lake Charles to play. I don't care if McNeese does own the series 20-16-2.

In the SoCon I only see really one rivalry there and that would be The Citadel and VMI, the series is 40-30-2 with the advantage going to the Cit. Even though it was lopsided the last 15 years I always seen Western Carolina rival as Appalachian State. I don't think WCU, ETSU or UTC have ever been decent at the same time. If they were I think you could see a 3 team rivalry there with WCU and ETSU only an hour twenty mins away and WCU and UTC only a lil over three hours away.

Not sure I agree about the only rivalry being The Citadel/VMI… Furman and The Citadel have played 97 times and counting. Granted Furman leads the series… 59-35-3

https://medium.com/@SoConJohn22/socon-football-week-8-furman-vs-the-citadel-a-history-of-hate-43ee2a7af828

GreenGlasses

May 17th, 2018, 10:02 AM

Not sure I agree about the only rivalry being The Citadel/VMI… Furman and The Citadel have played 97 times and counting. Granted Furman leads the series… 59-35-3

https://medium.com/@SoConJohn22/socon-football-week-8-furman-vs-the-citadel-a-history-of-hate-43ee2a7af828

Friendly rivalries are kinda like beating your grandma in GTA. Sure you won but you forget about it in 5 mins. Rivals need to be heated and when you lose a game need to sting for weeks after the game is over. With Furman and the Cit unless a loss keeps one of you out of the playoffs then both fan bases forget about it before they go to bed (unless you are CitDog). To you and most of the Furman fans which would have been more satisfying say in the early to mid 90s, beating the Cit 5 times in a row or knowing that you beat Appalachian State, Georgia Southern or Marshall and it kept them out of the playoffs.

kdinva

May 17th, 2018, 11:30 AM

Furman and The Citadel have played 97 times and counting. Granted Furman leads the series… 59-35-3

https://medium.com/@SoConJohn22/socon-football-week-8-furman-vs-the-citadel-a-history-of-hate-43ee2a7af828

...Paging CitDog in three.......two.....one........xtroublex

Smitty

May 17th, 2018, 11:41 AM

Not sure if any WCU people have answered in the previous 13 pages but it was App State. Currently we don't really have a full fledged rival after their departure. Lately both Furman and Western have been battling for purple supremacy so I guess they are trying to start something there.

BisonFan02

May 17th, 2018, 12:00 PM

...Paging CitDog in three.......two.....one........xtroublex

You might be waiting awhile.

ElCid

May 17th, 2018, 12:10 PM

Friendly rivalries are kinda like beating your grandma in GTA. Sure you won but you forget about it in 5 mins. Rivals need to be heated and when you lose a game need to sting for weeks after the game is over. With Furman and the Cit unless a loss keeps one of you out of the playoffs then both fan bases forget about it before they go to bed (unless you are CitDog). To you and most of the Furman fans which would have been more satisfying say in the early to mid 90s, beating the Cit 5 times in a row or knowing that you beat Appalachian State, Georgia Southern or Marshall and it kept them out of the playoffs.

Rivalries do change over time obviously, even if teams don't leave. When I was at school Furman was probably the biggest game. Not so much any more. VMI is always a big game, but not a heated rivalry. Wofford had become a much bigger game than Furman or VMI for us the last few years.

In baseball it is probably USC and CoC.

In basketball, it is ourselves...lol.

WestCoastAggie

May 17th, 2018, 12:12 PM

Rivalries do change over time obviously, even if teams don't leave. When I was at school Furman was probably the biggest game. Not so much any more. VMI is always a big game, but not a heated rivalry. Wofford had become a much bigger game than Furman or VMI for us the last few years.

In baseball it is probably USC and CoC.

In basketball, it is ourselves...lol.

I remember seeing cheerleaders from El Cid and VMI fight years ago. I've never seen that before. That's a rivalry.

ursus arctos horribilis

May 17th, 2018, 12:23 PM

Jesus Ursus, now you have done, this might be the greatest troll ever.

Thanks man but it wasn't a troll it was a compliment on keeping things at a decent level (volume of posts from dip****s from either side clogging it up) so the rest of us don't have to sit and watch one group whine incessantly about their hurt feelings.

It's a true tip of the cap to not trying to flood the zone and allowing others to partake without ruining the thread.xthumbsupx

ElCid

May 17th, 2018, 04:24 PM

I remember seeing cheerleaders from El Cid and VMI fight years ago. I've never seen that before. That's a rivalry.

I actually forgot about that. The VMI girl had the Bulldog guy in a headlock. But what was he going to...hit her? I think not.

I think it is more like a brother rivalry than a standard one. We will fight hard against each other, but back the other when "someone else" comes nosing around.

NorthChuckSouth

May 17th, 2018, 04:35 PM

Our "rivals" have moved to FBS in Coastal and Liberty.. so the closest thing we have to a rival would be citadel but they don't want to recognize it

ElCid

May 17th, 2018, 05:03 PM

Our "rivals" have moved to FBS in Coastal and Liberty.. so the closest thing we have to a rival would be citadel but they don't want to recognize it

Eh. 10 games does not a rivalry make. I will admit that the set up is prime for one, but that still doesn't make it so. Maybe with another few years of history.

VandalBasher

May 17th, 2018, 05:24 PM

Our "rivals" have moved to FBS in Coastal and Liberty.. so the closest thing we have to a rival would be citadel but they don't want to recognize it

With our return to FCS, we might have lost a couple of rivalries (WSU, BSU, UNR, USU, NMSU).

But, EWU and Montana are going to be fun. The games against Portland St. will have more Vandals in attendance than Viking fans, regardless of location.

GV

NorthChuckSouth

May 17th, 2018, 07:08 PM

Agreed.. my brother is an alumni from el cid.. when i committed to csu he told me "Get ready to have your ass beat by the citadel" and from there it's always been back and forth. Hopefully by the time we end this *stupid* stretch with every game at ya'lls place our facilities will be built up enough to have a home and home series.

FUBeAR

May 17th, 2018, 07:28 PM

Rivalries do change over time...Wofford had become a much bigger game than Furman...for us the last few yearsPOPPYCOCK!

Furman & the sh|tadel are the definition of rivals. The game-to-game intensity may ebb & flow a bit from time to time, but Furman peeps feel absolutely no mercy when the bellhops are slogging their way through yet another 10 year (or longer) down cycle, regardless of their lack of relevance in the SoCon race(s). There is no, “Gee, I wish they were better so the rivalry would have more closely fought games.” <F> that! We would prefer to outscore them 100-0 in every sport (except golf) every game, every year. And, the luggage-toters & their fans feel exactly the same way. Individual FU peeps & individual CIT peeps can be good friends, but not in groups larger than 3 or 4 of each. It will not go well. The next thing you know, horses will be getting their eyes jabbed out & cadets will be getting hog-tied & spray painted.

As much as I abhorred marsha, appy, gasou...and the hooligan fans of those programs (and throw wcu of the early/mid 80’s on to that list)...and as much as I disdain woofy & sammy now, there just is no dislike like the dislike that true Furman peeps have for the pretend military school down in Chucktown and the dislike that they have for purple <F>’s.

CHIP72

May 17th, 2018, 08:16 PM

Go Lehigh TU owl

May 17th, 2018, 08:41 PM

*Lehigh: undoubtedly Lafayette, with Colgate probably being a solid second at this point

*Lafayette: undoubtedly Lehigh

*Penn: I'd personally say Princeton (and the Tigers would rank first in all sports)

*Villanova: Delaware is #1 and Temple is a close #2 due to VU's and TU's mutual Philadelphia ties (best shown in basketball with the Philadelphia Big Five), even if VU and TU don't play every year

I was hoping a few 'Nova fans would post their rival thoughts. I'm interested to see where they have Temple and Delaware on the pecking order. I think Delaware would be narrowly ahead. Even so, Temple at the Linc is the game the 'Nova students and fans come out for.....

For Temple I think its Penn State even though the series is so lopsided. Then FCS Villanova? An argument could definitely be made that the Wildcats are our #1 rival.

CHIP72

May 17th, 2018, 08:44 PM

I was hoping a few 'Nova fans would post their rival thoughts. I'm interested to see where they have Temple and Delaware on the pecking order. I think Delaware would be narrowly ahead. Even so, Temple at the Linc is the game the 'Nova students and fans come out for.....

For Temple I think its Penn State even though the series is so lopsided. Then FCS Villanova? An argument could definitely be made that the Wildcats are our #1 rival.

With Temple, I'd personally go with Rutgers, Villanova, and Penn State, in that order. Of course, the Owls don't play ANY of those teams every year, just some years.

Go Lehigh TU owl

May 17th, 2018, 08:52 PM

With Temple, I'd personally go with Rutgers, Villanova, and Penn State, in that order. Of course, the Owls don't play ANY of those teams every year, just some years.

As someone who grew up in PA, I always looked at Rutgers as a joke. I know Temple fans do care about games with Rutgers but for whatever reason they never stir my emotions. I do get some of the historical ties between the Owls and Scarlet Knights.

I think Navy, Pitt and Syracuse would also be considered rivals. Some of the guys from the 60's and 70's and into the mid 80's would consider Delaware a big time former rival. I think Bucknell is our 3rd or 4th most played opponent and vice-versa.

Patriot League-Ivy Rivals
Lafayette-Penn
Lehigh-Princeton
Holy Cross-Harvard
Colgate-Cornell
Bucknell-Cornell
Georgetown-??
Fordham-Should be Columbia again

CHIP72

May 17th, 2018, 09:35 PM

As someone who grew up in PA, I always looked at Rutgers as a joke. I know Temple fans do care about games with Rutgers but for whatever reason they never stir my emotions. I do get some of the historical ties between the Owls and Scarlet Knights.

I think Navy, Pitt and Syracuse would also be considered rivals. Some of the guys from the 60's and 70's and into the mid 80's would consider Delaware a big time former rival. I think Bucknell is our 3rd or 4th most played opponent and vice-versa.

Patriot League-Ivy Rivals
Lafayette-Penn
Lehigh-Princeton
Holy Cross-Harvard
Colgate-Cornell
Bucknell-Cornell
Georgetown-??
Fordham-Should be Columbia again

The reason why many people, including me, despise Rutgers goes back to when Temple was thrown out of the Big East in 2001 when at the time Rutgers was even worse than Temple. And from a basketball perspective, it's not like Rutgers brought a lot to the table, either in terms of on-court record or in terms of giving the Big East a foothold in a major market (the conference had that with St. John's and Seton Hall in the NYC market).

As for other Temple rivals, I've always thought all of the old eastern independents from the late 1970s and 1980s (Penn State, Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, Boston College, and Rutgers along with Temple) were rivals with each other to at least some degree, though obviously most of those teams pointed at Penn State as their big rival and Pitt, WVU, and Syracuse could legitimately claim PSU as a big rival because Penn State also viewed them as rivals. (Good Lord, I still miss those college football days of my youth; I wish Penn State had never joined what I like to call the Flyover Country Conference.) Temple's biggest rivals among those teams excluding Penn State were probably Pitt because of the in-state tie and Rutgers and West Virginia because of the A-10 basketball tie, though I agree that I would perceive Syracuse as a rival too.

Tweaking your Patriot/Ivy comment a little bit, I think the biggest non-conference DI-AA/FCS rivals for the Patriot League teams are or could/should be...

*Lehigh: probably Penn, Princeton, Villanova, and Delaware; I'm unsure of the order

*Lafayette: probably the same four teams as Lehigh, though because the Leopards have been down the last few years, their rivalries/potential rivalries with VU and UD aren't as good as Lehigh's

*Colgate: definitely Cornell (and I'm guessing 'Gate fans would like cracks at Syracuse every so often); Albany could be an interesting rivalry too

*Holy Cross: Harvard and Dartmouth (and probably Brown) make sense, Northeastern used to make sense, and like Colgate with Syracuse, the Red Raiders probably would love to play Boston College and/or Massachusetts

*Fordham: probably Columbia; they could also have an interesting rivalry with Stony Brook if the Rams can reverse their downturn

*Bucknell: I guess Cornell, and St. Francis could be interesting too

*Georgetown: probably none partly because they are too far south of the Ivy League, but I think the Hoyas should try to cultivate something with cross-city foe Howard, and Richmond would also be interesting if G-town was better

ngineer

May 17th, 2018, 10:24 PM

For Lehigh

1. Lafayette - No Question
2. Colgate - The Raiders have emerged as Lehigh's 2nd biggest game of the year over the last 20 years
3. Delaware - Because it still should matter a lot

True, but it is not called "The Rivalry" for nuttin'...

underdawg

May 18th, 2018, 08:20 AM

For the SIU Salukis--need you ask? The Illinois State Redbirds--end of discussion

VandalBasher

May 18th, 2018, 09:28 AM

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/5/18/17353076/rivalry-history-anger-2018

This is a great article on rivalries. Maybe, we can get STATS to write an article on FCS rivalries.

VandalBasher

May 18th, 2018, 09:36 AM

Rivalries are evaluated mostly on the last four or five years. No one on the roster was there before that. The coach probably wasn’t either. The student section was in high school, and so were the players, and there is a strong chance no one remembers anything that happened in the rivalry prior to four or five years ago. But that epic game in ‘68! Stop hipstering dead rivalries to life just because you read about them. Dormant does not count here. We need live, fiery contests with spite and consequences on the menu.

I disagree with this one. The game on November 10th hasn't been played in 14 years. This will be one of the most heated FCS games this year. I hope the Kibbie Dome isn't burned down after the game, by Griz fans or Vandal fans.

PAllen

May 18th, 2018, 09:58 AM

All I'll say is this: Lehigh is the only place I've ever heard a crowd cheer the out of town scoreboard when a fellow conference member is announced as loosing. It doesn't matter what part of the season, who their opponent is, or what sport is announced, if Lafayette is losing the contest the Lehigh crowd cheers. The hate is that deep.

WeAreThePride

May 18th, 2018, 12:46 PM

PAllen

May 18th, 2018, 01:32 PM

They do that all the time in the Fargodome. Especially in the late season. Big cheers from the crowd when SDSU and UND are losing.

We cheer if lafayette is losing a cross country meet in late august. We cheer during basketball games if the lafayette swim team loses a meet. A perfect year to a Lehigh fan requires every Lafayette extramural representative to lose every competition.

Thumper 76

May 18th, 2018, 02:07 PM

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I hope the Kibbie Dome is burned down after the game, by Griz fans or Vandal fans. [/FONT]
I like this guy. If you get that to work out, clenz and I would like to talk to you about a consultant spot for a job....

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clenz

May 18th, 2018, 02:37 PM

I like this guy. If you get that to work out, clenz and I would like to talk to you about a consultant spot for a job....

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My PMs are open. Thumper and I don’t pay well but we have other things to offer.

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VandalBasher

May 18th, 2018, 03:14 PM

I like this guy. If you get that to work out, clenz and I would like to talk to you about a consultant spot for a job..

I fixed it. However, we do have a contingent of fans that would love to see this happen. The Dome is seen as the anchor to the Big Sky.

clenz

May 18th, 2018, 04:05 PM

I fixed it. However, we do have a contingent of fans that would love to see this happen. The Dome is seen as the anchor to the Big Sky.

No. We like your ambition. Call us when you are done with the kibbie. We have work for you. 👍

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BisonFan02

May 18th, 2018, 07:34 PM

No. We like your ambition. Call us when you are done with the kibbie. We have work for you. 👍

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do ya?

GreenGlasses

May 18th, 2018, 08:03 PM

The reason why many people, including me, despise Rutgers goes back to when Temple was thrown out of the Big East in 2001 when at the time Rutgers was even worse than Temple. And from a basketball perspective, it's not like Rutgers brought a lot to the table, either in terms of on-court record or in terms of giving the Big East a foothold in a major market.

OOOO Cry me a river why don't ya. The Temple Owls was a football only drain on the BE, which truthfully I hated every school in that conference. While in the BE from 1991-2005 Temple went 30-127, That's a total of 30 wins in 14 years and 30 out of 157 games. That's an avg of 2.1 wins a season. Even to have been middle of the pack BE Temple would have had to have won 78 games, that's double plus 18 more than Temple had. That plus Temple was drawing about 25-30 thousand less than the other BE schools.

Temple is lucky the MAC saved their asses or they would either be playing with Elon, Towson, JMU and Richmond or not playing at all.

Also if you think those late 80s independents are still your rivals you are as delusional as Pitt fans who think Penn State is a rival.

Thumper 76

May 18th, 2018, 08:28 PM

do ya?

No, don’t pay any attention to him. We have no plans.

But Vandal, if you do make that work......

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TheKingpin28

May 18th, 2018, 10:41 PM

No, don’t pay any attention to him. We have no plans.

But Vandal, if you do make that work......

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Haters gonna hate. xnodx

VandalBasher

May 19th, 2018, 01:46 PM

I would love to see an article from FCS STATS regarding rivals by the other D1.

clenz

May 19th, 2018, 05:46 PM

The FCS Wedge is your friend. It’s kinda dead right now because it’s crowd sources but the guys there are every bit the guys at STATS - probably better in many ways.

It’ll pick up about late July.

Hopefully I get back in the swing of it again this year after 2 years in grad school killing my contributions....if I don’t start an MBA program this fall.

OL FU

May 19th, 2018, 08:05 PM

POPPYCOCK!

Furman & the sh|tadel are the definition of rivals. The game-to-game intensity may ebb & flow a bit from time to time, but Furman peeps feel absolutely no mercy when the bellhops are slogging their way through yet another 10 year (or longer) down cycle, regardless of their lack of relevance in the SoCon race(s). There is no, “Gee, I wish they were better so the rivalry would have more closely fought games.” <F> that! We would prefer to outscore them 100-0 in every sport (except golf) every game, every year. And, the luggage-toters & their fans feel exactly the same way. Individual FU peeps & individual CIT peeps can be good friends, but not in groups larger than 3 or 4 of each. It will not go well. The next thing you know, horses will be getting their eyes jabbed out & cadets will be getting hog-tied & spray painted.

As much as I abhorred marsha, appy, gasou...and the hooligan fans of those programs (and throw wcu of the early/mid 80’s on to that list)...and as much as I disdain woofy & sammy now, there just is no dislike like the dislike that true Furman peeps have for the pretend military school down in Chucktown and the dislike that they have for purple <F>’s.

Can’t figure out how to rep on the phone so I will reply ditto times 10

JacksFan40

May 19th, 2018, 08:40 PM

They do that all the time in the Fargodome. Especially in the late season. Big cheers from the crowd when SDSU and UND are losing.
I remember when NDSU lost the Indiana State and it was announced at Coughlin Alumni, that whole place went insane. And whenever USD loses it’s the same.

BisonFan02

May 19th, 2018, 09:14 PM

I remember when NDSU lost the Indiana State and it was announced at Coughlin Alumni, that whole place went insane. And whenever USD loses it’s the same.

Wouldn't expect any less.

Ivytalk

May 20th, 2018, 06:37 AM

Yale, I guess.

Thumper 76

May 20th, 2018, 10:33 AM

I remember when NDSU lost the Indiana State and it was announced at Coughlin Alumni, that whole place went insane. And whenever USD loses it’s the same.

Pretty much sums it up.

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TheValleyRaider

May 20th, 2018, 11:45 AM

Some of Colgate's have changed over the years. Right now:

1) Cornell
2) Lehigh
3) Holy Cross

This seems to be pretty much the list. I am a bit surprised our series with Fordham isn't more heated. We're both NY schools (different parts of the state), and there have been some close finishes over the years. Just never seems to stick.

I realize not every opponent can be a rival, and we both have other games that are more important (both HC, for different reasons), just a bit of a surprise.

No_Skill

May 20th, 2018, 01:44 PM

I remember when NDSU lost the Indiana State and it was announced at Coughlin Alumni, that whole place went insane. And whenever USD loses it’s the same.

It's a shame we don't give you many opportunities to cheer. I'm sure you guys really get into it the few times you can. :D

VandalBasher

May 20th, 2018, 11:05 PM

Were any of the conference teams missed? Like USD Toreros?

Go...gate

May 21st, 2018, 01:14 AM

This seems to be pretty much the list. I am a bit surprised our series with Fordham isn't more heated. We're both NY schools (different parts of the state), and there have been some close finishes over the years. Just never seems to stick.

I realize not every opponent can be a rival, and we both have other games that are more important (both HC, for different reasons), just a bit of a surprise.

Brown-Colgate was a big annual Thanksgiving game for many years but the Turkey Day games faded away in the early 1960's. Colgate and Brown have played infrequently since the early 1970's.

Fordham

May 21st, 2018, 09:11 AM

Lehigh'98

May 21st, 2018, 09:14 AM

TheValleyRaider

May 21st, 2018, 09:23 AM

Brown-Colgate was a big annual Thanksgiving game for many years but the Turkey Day games faded away in the early 1960's. Colgate and Brown have played infrequently since the early 1970's.

That is definitely a shame. Last played in 1996. Very surprised it hasn't happened at least a couple of times in recent years.

Anthony215

May 21st, 2018, 10:11 AM

Agree, Fordham/Columbia is a natural rivalry and NEVER should have been stopped. Bronx supremacy is on the line!!

That seems like it should be a yearly game especially since the PL and Ivy's seem to play at least a hand full of games against each other each season anyways. Less travel involved and I would assume it would be both schools largest attended games of the season with fans able to hop on the bus & train

melloware13

May 21st, 2018, 10:53 AM

1. Villanova (for football); Drexel (non-football)
2. Towson (biggest sign is how we hate recognizing them as rivals, yet go out of the way to do so)
3/4. JMU/W&M

Honorable mention: Richmond, West Chester (usually a well attended game and much more competitive than what it was replaced by)

No real consideration: Delaware State (replaced WCU, only positive of this game is their band)

OL FU

May 21st, 2018, 11:15 AM

Rivals come and go for Furman.
I was told along time ago, that pre WWII that Furman's rival was Clemson. Sounds crazy but makes sense back then. Schools 25 miles apart, they were in the same conference. While Clemson was bigger than Furman my guess is no where near difference in size and available funds like today.

Afterwards, while App State and to a larger extent Georgia Southern entered the picture, the Citadel was THE Rival. For years in South Carolina it was the big four (Clemson, USC, The Citadel and Furman). It probably should have been the really big two and the smaller other two. But we were the only schools that participated in D1 sports in the state for many years. and from my conversations with most Citadel people my age, they certainly considered VMI a rival and still do but their intensity was aimed at Furman probably because most years VMI was a sure win and Furman was more than likely a loss (so they hated Furman more). There were lots of good reasons for the Furman/Citadel rivalry. similar size schools. upstate versus low country. private versus public. Military versus liberal arts/religious. etc.

My guess though is that the rival of the future is Wofford. Some of the same reasons as the Citadel rivalry and some different ones. Similar Size. Geographic proximity. Private highly rated schools. But the biggest reason has to give credit to Wofford. Their football and basketball programs have been really good while Furman's have fallen ( hopefully on the way back up with both). It's a little difficult for me to have the rivalry feelings with Wofford since most of my adult life they were in a different division and I didn't think much about them other than be happy when they won ( except for a recollection of a really sucky tie with Furman in the late 70s)xrolleyesx

So if I predict the future, I would say Wofford will be the one and maybe already is for a lot of our fans.

FUBeAR

May 21st, 2018, 11:43 AM

Wofford...except for a recollection of a really sucky tie with Furman in the late 70s)xrolleyesx
It was 1980.

14-14 on a wet, muddy mid-November day in Sirrine Stadium.

Kept us from being 10-1, with our only loss to a highly ranked UNC Team that only lost to Big Eight & Orange Bowl Champion, Oklahoma, who beat #2 Florida State in that Orange Bowl. That UNC Team beat Texas in the Bluebonnet Bowl

Also kept us from receiving a bid to play in the Tangerine Bowl. Instead, Florida beat Maryland 35-20 in that contest.

Sounds kinda funny talking about UNC, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Florida State, Maryland, the Orange Bowl, the Bluebonnet Bowl, and the Tangerine Bowl in a post about an NAIA Wofford Team tying Furman...but that’s how things were back then. These times; they have a-changed. I guess Coach Bobby Dylan was right after all.

VandalBasher

May 21st, 2018, 11:44 AM

VandalBasher

May 21st, 2018, 03:54 PM

DFW HOYA

May 21st, 2018, 06:34 PM

HC & Georgetown due to the Jesuit connection, being in the same conference and length of 'rivalry'. Villanova is aspirational. Many Fordham fans consider them our rivals but if it's not reciprocated I don't think you can call them a rival for the same reason that I disagree that Penn State could be called Temple's 'rival.' Surprised DFW didn't reference Fordham as one of Gtown's rivals.

A rivalry contains at least one of three essential elements:

1. Location--two schools that are reasonably close to each other (Lehigh-Lafayette, Pitt-West Virginia, etc.)

2. Peer Institutions - two schools that share common admissions and similarly situated student bodies (Harvard-Yale, VMI-Citadel, etc.)

3. Legacy - two schools that may not share the above two but whose collective body of work have built enough memories that their ties are bound (Notre Dame-USC is the best example here)

By this definition, Fordham is not a rival of Georgetown. They do not share proximity, don't compete in the same admissions circles anymore, and have no particular games of memory. Part of this is a function of frequency, or lack thereof --Georgetown has won two football games vs. Fordham in the last 23 meetings, and has not won at the Bronx in 44 years. While not as ignominious as the North Carolina-Clemson basketball series (Clemson's all-time record vs. UNC: 20-132; its record at Chapel Hill is 0-59), Georgetown's 2-15 vs. the Rams in Patriot League play are not the numbers that drives rivalries across generations.

This was not always the case. Long before he was an author, William Peter Blatty was a part of Georgetown lore for heisting the Fordham Ram as a student in the 1940's and returning it at halftime of Georgetown's 35-0 win over the Rams. Fordham was one of three schools, along with Georgetown and NYU, which began the club football movement in the 1960's, and it is the team with the largest number of prior meetings on the GU schedule (62). But frequent opponents do not rivals make; if such were the case, Texas v. Rice (94 meetings) would be the stuff of football lore; instead, Texas leads the series 72-21 and has won 41 of the last 42.

If Georgetown could thump Fordham for a few years, maybe this series could be elevated; instead, it's another W on the Fordham calendar.

OL FU

May 21st, 2018, 08:12 PM

It was 1980.

14-14 on a wet, muddy mid-November day in Sirrine Stadium.

Kept us from being 10-1, with our only loss to a highly ranked UNC Team that only lost to Big Eight & Orange Bowl Champion, Oklahoma, who beat #2 Florida State in that Orange Bowl. That UNC Team beat Texas in the Bluebonnet Bowl

Also kept us from receiving a bid to play in the Tangerine Bowl. Instead, Florida beat Maryland 35-20 in that contest.

Sounds kinda funny talking about UNC, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Florida State, Maryland, the Orange Bowl, the Bluebonnet Bowl, and the Tangerine Bowl in a post about an NAIA Wofford Team tying Furman...but that’s how things were back then. These times; they have a-changed. I guess Coach Bobby Dylan was right after all.

Thx for the correction. I will admit I was stunned that day. Couldn’t remember when it was but I do remember it being a major wtf

Redbird 4th & short

May 21st, 2018, 09:44 PM

Most-played #FCS (https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/FCS?src=hashtag_click) rivalries:

153 Lafayette-Lehigh (Lafayette leads 78-70-5), first played in 1884
140 Yale-Princeton (Yale 77-53-10), 1873
134 Yale-Harvard (Yale 67-59-8), 1875
128 William & Mary-Richmond (W&M 62-61-5), 1898
124 Penn-Cornell (Penn 73-46-5), 1893

I already posted, but didn't give much info relative to above.

Just over 100 miles from Normal, IL to Charleston, IL ..... ISUr vs EIU is up to 106 games since 1901 .. and we play in different conferences - I believe it's always been different conferences, which I believe can not be said about any of the above. ISUr leads 55-42-9. Game is called the Mid America Classic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-America_Classic

clenz

May 22nd, 2018, 06:36 AM

Um....EIU was in the Gateway for like over a decade.

I don’t know about the pre-Gateway era buyback I’d be pretty shocked if there wasn’t overlap at some point before that as well.

Redbird 4th & short

May 22nd, 2018, 07:10 AM

Um....EIU was in the Gateway for like over a decade.

I don’t know about the pre-Gateway era buyback I’d be pretty shocked if there wasn’t overlap at some point before that as well.

was wondering about Gateway, but was too lazy to dig any deeper.

ST_Lawson

May 22nd, 2018, 08:46 AM

was wondering about Gateway, but was too lazy to dig any deeper.

Here you go:

Eastern Illinois
1899-1911 - Independent
1912-1949 - Illinois Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
1950-1969 - Interstate Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
1970-1972 - NCAA College Division Independent
1973-1977 - NCAA DII Independent
1978-1984 - Mid-Continent
1985-1991 - Gateway Athletic Conference
1992-1995 - Gateway Football Conference
1996-present - Ohio Valley

Illinois State
1887–1924: Independent
1925–1949: Illinois Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Conference)
1950–1969: Interstate Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Conference)
1970–1972: Independent
1973–1975: Division II Independent
1976–1977: Division I Independent
1978–1980: Division I–A Independent
1981–1985: Missouri Valley Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference)
1986–present: Gateway Football Conference/Missouri Valley Football Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Football_Conference)

So, it looks like they were both indy until 1911, they were both in the IIAC (Illinois->Interstate with the addition of CMU and EMU) from 1925-1969 (44 years), were both independent again from '69-'77 (8 years), and were both in the Gateway (the precursor to the current Missouri Valley Football Conference) from 1986-1995 (9 years). So, that's 74 years of being either in the same conference or both being independent (and having the accompanying scheduling flexibility). It's been a while (23 years) since they were in the same conference together, but they had a long history of matching up with each other well before that.

The IIAC was the first real conference for most Illinois schools, including all of the all of the state schools outside of U of I (ISU, EIU, SIU, WIU, and NIU): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Conference

clenz

May 22nd, 2018, 09:54 AM

So the vast majority of the games have been “required” as part of conference play.

It’s certainly a known rivalry through Illinois and into parts of eastern Iowa. To say it’s all voluntary is....well

Redbird 4th & short

May 22nd, 2018, 10:55 AM

Here you go:

Eastern Illinois
1899-1911 - Independent
1912-1949 - Illinois Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
1950-1969 - Interstate Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
1970-1972 - NCAA College Division Independent
1973-1977 - NCAA DII Independent
1978-1984 - Mid-Continent
1985-1991 - Gateway Athletic Conference
1992-1995 - Gateway Football Conference
1996-present - Ohio Valley

Illinois State
1887–1924: Independent
1925–1949: Illinois Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Conference)
1950–1969: Interstate Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Conference)
1970–1972: Independent
1973–1975: Division II Independent
1976–1977: Division I Independent
1978–1980: Division I–A Independent
1981–1985: Missouri Valley Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference)
1986–present: Gateway Football Conference/Missouri Valley Football Conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Football_Conference)

So, it looks like they were both indy until 1911, they were both in the IIAC (Illinois->Interstate with the addition of CMU and EMU) from 1925-1969 (44 years), were both independent again from '69-'77 (8 years), and were both in the Gateway (the precursor to the current Missouri Valley Football Conference) from 1986-1995 (9 years). So, that's 74 years of being either in the same conference or both being independent (and having the accompanying scheduling flexibility). It's been a while (23 years) since they were in the same conference together, but they had a long history of matching up with each other well before that.

The IIAC was the first real conference for most Illinois schools, including all of the all of the state schools outside of U of I (ISU, EIU, SIU, WIU, and NIU): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Conference

holy crap .. good stuff .. thanks !

bostonspider

May 23rd, 2018, 12:08 PM

For Richmond it is definitely both William & Mary, our traditional rival, and James Madison, our probably more "hated" rival. W&M and UR seem to have a fairly civil relationship, while wanting to crush the other team, but the Dukes and Spiders just seem to hate each other more. In all other sports besides football it has become VCU, which is our "In City Rival".

Mike296

May 23rd, 2018, 06:07 PM

For us that’s a tough call but I guess you could say Murray State and with UNA coming up I guess that’s another one.

neverobeyed

May 25th, 2018, 09:07 AM

VandalBasher

May 25th, 2018, 10:57 AM

Idaho was chasing some big dogs for a very long time (WSU and BSU). Money and fans will drive a program. Wins help as well.

The renewed rivalries with Montana and EWU will be interesting. I can only hope it goes back to the old ways of the 80's and 90's.