Samford Signees.......

[youcanbankit]

Go Bulldogs!xnodx

Carlos Ackles DB 6-2 190 Mount Zion Ga.
Tay Berry DL 6-2 280 Madison, Miss. (Madison Central)
Mitchell Fineran PK 5-10 170 Fort Valley, Ga. (Peach County)
Dorien Gooch LB 6-2 210 Tampa Florida
Austin Guyse OL 6-4 284 Trinity, Ala. (West Morgan)
Justin Hayes LB 6-3 255 Smyrna Ga.
Ty King WR 6-0 160 Louisville, Ga. (Jefferson County)
Joseph Mera DE 6-2 255 Fort Myers Florida
Beau Myers OL 6-5 276 Thompson Station, Tenn. (Independence)
Gavin Orr OL 6-4 275 Southside, Ala. (Southside)
Torrence Pollard ATH 5-9 170 Ensley Ala.
Braeden Royal DL 6-3 270 Northport, Ala. (Tuscaloosa County)
Demarcus Ware RB 5-10 190 Olive Branch Miss.
Ty Hatcher QB 5-9 165 Homewood Alabama
Lavar Gardner LB 6-2 190 - Columbia HA GA
Jonathan Moore FS/SB 6-0 180 Greater Atlanta Christian
Daniel Leuze RB 5-8 195 Santa Rosa Beach FL
Peter Renkoski OL/DL 6-1 250 Blessed Trinity HS GA
Scotty Roberts DL/OL 6'2 285
Sean Barden DL 6'4 255[/b]

[FUBeAR]

Go Bulldogs!xnodx

Carlos Ackles DB 6-2 190 Mount Zion Ga.
Tay Berry DL 6-2 280 Madison, Miss. (Madison Central)
Mitchell Fineran PK 5-10 170 Fort Valley, Ga. (Peach County)
Dorien Gooch LB 6-2 210 Tampa Florida
Austin Guyse OL 6-4 284 Trinity, Ala. (West Morgan)
Justin Hayes LB 6-3 255 Smyrna Ga.
Ty King WR 6-0 160 Louisville, Ga. (Jefferson County)
Joseph Mera DE 6-2 255 Fort Myers Florida
Beau Myers OL 6-5 276 Thompson Station, Tenn. (Independence)
Gavin Orr OL 6-4 275 Southside, Ala. (Southside)
Torrence Pollard ATH 5-9 170 Ensley Ala.
Braeden Royal DL 6-3 270 Northport, Ala. (Tuscaloosa County)
Demarcus Ware RB 5-10 190 Olive Branch Miss.
Ty Hatcher QB 5-9 165 Homewood Alabama
Lavar Gardner LB 6-2 190 - Columbia HA GA
Jonathan Moore FS/SB 6-0 180 Greater Atlanta Christian
Daniel Leuze RB 5-8 195 Santa Rosa Beach FL
Peter Renkoski OL/DL 6-1 250 Blessed Trinity HS GA
Scotty Roberts DL/OL 6'2 285
Sean Barden DL 6'4 255[/b]

Yeah, I guess the SoCon Offseason thread wasn’t a good enough of a place to post these 20 future NFL Hall of Fame Members. xeyebrowx

[JSUSoutherner]

Yeah, I guess the SoCon Offseason thread wasn’t a good enough of a place to post these 20 future NFL Hall of Fame Members. xeyebrowx
Samford is obviously a god tier football program. They totally deserve their own thread so their hoards of fans and talk about how great they are. :D

[kdinva]

Samford is obviously a god tier football program. They totally deserve their own thread so their hoards of fans and talk about how great they are. :D


xslapfightx

[youcanbankit]

Feels good to be back on AGS. Feeling the love first post. :D

Yeah, I guess the SoCon Offseason thread wasn’t a good enough of a place to post these 20 future NFL Hall of Fame Members. xeyebrowx

[Milktruck74]

Whatever will Saban do now that Samford has the #1 recruiting class in Alabama?

[PaladinFan]

Looking down the list I see a 5'9 165 QB from an AISA school (literally the smallest level of football in Alabama). Seems a peculiar sign for a D1 school that runs a pass-heavy offense.

Then I notice the last name. Yup, Hatcher signed his son. I presume being the son of the football coach he probably doesn't use a scholarship.

[Smitty]

Samford is obviously a god tier football program. They totally deserve their own thread so their hoards of fans and talk about how great they are. :D

I thought that status was for UTC...

[Catamount87]

Yeah, I guess the SoCon Offseason thread wasn’t a good enough of a place to post these 20 future NFL Hall of Fame Members. xeyebrowx

xlolxxlolxxlolx

[SU DOG]

Looking down the list I see a 5'9 165 QB from an AISA school (literally the smallest level of football in Alabama). Seems a peculiar sign for a D1 school that runs a pass-heavy offense.

Then I notice the last name. Yup, Hatcher signed his son. I presume being the son of the football coach he probably doesn't use a scholarship.

He may be used at another position IDK, but Ty is a pretty good athlete in his own right despite his small size. He is a 2** rated player and ranked as the overall 51st best in Alabama this year.

[FUBeAR]

He may be used at another position IDK, but Ty is a pretty good athlete in his own right despite his small size. He is a 2** rated player and ranked as the overall 51st best in Alabama this year.
I do see 247 has him as a 2-star and #128 overall in AL. He is also their 93rd (84th “composite”...whatever that means) best dual-threat QB nationally & 3rd best in AL. They have him as the 8th best QB (Pro or Dual-Threat) in AL. He’s not listed on ESPN’s Rankings. Where is he ranked #51 in AL?

The other Dual-Threats ranked around him nationally signed with UCF, Eastern Michigan, Hawaii, Lamar, Air Force, Army, Wofford, Navy, and Kansas State. I see via his Twitter that Samford offered him way back in February of 2017.

Did he have any other offers?

[PaladinFan]

I do see 247 has him as a 2-star and #128 overall in AL. He is also their 93rd (84th “composite”...whatever that means) best dual-threat QB nationally & 3rd best in AL. They have him as the 8th best QB (Pro or Dual-Threat) in AL. He’s not listed on ESPN’s Rankings. Where is he ranked #51 in AL?

The other Dual-Threats ranked around him nationally signed with UCF, Eastern Michigan, Hawaii, Lamar, Air Force, Army, Wofford, Navy, and Kansas State. I see via his Twitter that Samford offered him way back in February of 2017.

Did he have any other offers?

Interested to see that ranking given the level of competition.

Like Georgia, private schools in Alabama can play either in the independent association or the high school association. In my experience, AISA would be below the lowest high school classification in terms of depth and talent.

Only 8 teams make the playoffs, so three wins gets you a state title. It's the same teams playing for a title every single season for years.

Maybe the kid is an elite QB. I have no idea. I just have a hard time believing that a 5'9 QB off a tiny private school who plays against the weakest competition in the state is the 8th best HS QB in Alabama.

[walliver]

I do see 247 has him as a 2-star and #128 overall in AL. He is also their 93rd (84th “composite”...whatever that means) best dual-threat QB nationally & 3rd best in AL. They have him as the 8th best QB (Pro or Dual-Threat) in AL. He’s not listed on ESPN’s Rankings. Where is he ranked #51 in AL?

The other Dual-Threats ranked around him nationally signed with UCF, Eastern Michigan, Hawaii, Lamar, Air Force, Army, Wofford, Navy, and Kansas State. I see via his Twitter that Samford offered him way back in February of 2017.

Did he have any other offers?

How many teams would offer him since his dad is the coach?

[FUBeAR]

Interested to see that ranking given the level of competition.

Like Georgia, private schools in Alabama can play either in the independent association or the high school association. In my experience, AISA would be below the lowest high school classification in terms of depth and talent.

Only 8 teams make the playoffs, so three wins gets you a state title. It's the same teams playing for a title every single season for years.

Maybe the kid is an elite QB. I have no idea. I just have a hard time believing that a 5'9 QB off a tiny private school who plays against the weakest competition in the state is the 8th best HS QB in Alabama.He did play 6-A ball his Jr Year at Homewood High, where he split time with a 6-2 Soph, who, this past year, led the Patriots to a 10-2 record and a Playoff win before they were stomped by the eventual 6-A runner-up.

Homewood was 5-6 the prior year. Not sure when and/or why Mr. Hatcher (the younger) transferred from there to Bessemer Academy.

BTW - Was it Elon or ETSU a few years back where the Head Coach had his son play QB for several forgettable seasons?

Hodges is a Sr this coming year, right?

[PaladinFan]

He did play 6-A ball his Jr Year at Homewood High, where he split time with a 6-2 Soph, who, this past year, led the Patriots to a 10-2 record and a Playoff win before they were stomped by the eventual 6-A runner-up.

Homewood was 5-6 the prior year. Not sure when and/or why Mr. Hatcher (the younger) transferred from there to Bessemer Academy.

BTW - Was it Elon or ETSU a few years back where the Head Coach had his son play QB for several forgettable seasons?

Hodges is a Sr this coming year, right?

Elon. Hamilton, I think.

Hodges is a senior. What is at least a little peculiar is that virtually no other QB has played for Samford. Only two other players threw a single pass for Samford last year (1 each) and both, I think, were wide receivers.

In fact, I think you have to go back to October 15, 2016 (55-21 win v. VMI) to find the last time a Samford QB other than Devlin Hodges threw a pass in a football game. Every other non-Hodges pass over the last two seasons (maybe only 5 total) has been a WR.

[FUBeAR]

Elon. Hamilton, I think.

Hodges is a senior. What is at least a little peculiar is that virtually no other QB has played for Samford. Only two other players threw a single pass for Samford last year (1 each) and both, I think, were wide receivers.

In fact, I think you have to go back to October 15, 2016 (55-21 win v. VMI) to find the last time a Samford QB other than Devlin Hodges threw a pass in a football game. Every other non-Hodges pass over the last two seasons (maybe only 5 total) has been a WR.

That's right...it was Elon in 2004. Started his son, who some said couldn't have started for most HS programs, over the returning starter & moved the other potential starting QB to WR. Then proceeded to go 0-fer the SoCon (2-12 in 2 years) and get fired after Year 2. Then, a few years later, he got the Head job at D2 Brevard College and in '08, with that same son as his starting QB, went 0-fer whatever conference Brevard plays in. xrotatehx

Surely, that couldn't happen at Samford with All-Everything Hodges returning. Also, they do have 8 other QB's on the roster. 2 rising Jr's who were both listed via an "OR" as Hodges' backup(s) in 2017 and 6 rising Soph's. Having 10 QB's on the roster for 2018 (plus any other walk-ons) pretty much explains why they didn't sign any other QB's this year. It is kind of hard to believe that in 2 or 3 blowout wins and 1 blowout loss last season that they couldn't find a few snaps where another QB could throw at least 1 pass. It will be interesting to watch who plays and how much behind Hodges in 2018.

[FUBeAR]

How many teams would offer him since his dad is the coach?

Welp...for example...here are the offers for a 247 2-Star prospect who was ranked 93rd in the Nation as a "Pro Style" QB (exactly the same as young Mr. Hatcher except "Pro" instead of "Dual-Threat") in 2013 while his Dad was a Head Coach at an FCS School.

PRO - 6-2 - 200



https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/817/966/1_7966817.pngAppalachian State (https://247sports.com/college/appalachian-state/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/697/649/1_4649697.pngArkansas State (https://247sports.com/college/arkansas-state/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/28/651/1_4651028.pngChattanooga (https://chattanooga.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/925/786/1_7786925.pngGeorgia State (https://247sports.com/college/georgia-state/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/843/649/1_4649843.pngLiberty (https://liberty.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/244/648/1_4648244.pngMemphis (https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/337/649/1_4649337.pngNorthern Illinois (https://247sports.com/college/northern-illinois/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/728/649/1_4649728.pngSouth Alabama (https://247sports.com/college/south-alabama/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/592/682/1_4682592.pngSouthern Miss (https://247sports.com/college/southern-mississippi/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes



So...I'll go with "at least 9" as my answer to your question xnodx

[PaladinFan]

That's right...it was Elon in 2004. Started his son, who some said couldn't have started for most HS programs, over the returning starter & moved the other potential starting QB to WR. Then proceeded to go 0-fer the SoCon (2-12 in 2 years) and get fired after Year 2. Then, a few years later, he got the Head job at D2 Brevard College and in '08, with that same son as his starting QB, went 0-fer whatever conference Brevard plays in. xrotatehx

Surely, that couldn't happen at Samford with All-Everything Hodges returning. Also, they do have 8 other QB's on the roster. 2 rising Jr's who were both listed via an "OR" as Hodges' backup(s) in 2017 and 6 rising Soph's. Having 10 QB's on the roster for 2018 (plus any other walk-ons) pretty much explains why they didn't sign any other QB's this year. It is kind of hard to believe that in 2 or 3 blowout wins and 1 blowout loss last season that they couldn't find a few snaps where another QB could throw at least 1 pass. It will be interesting to watch who plays and how much behind Hodges in 2018.

I've never really understood it, but Hodges almost never comes out of the game. Even in lopsided mop up situations.

Clay Hendrix was the complete opposite. He'd pull PJ Blazejowski at the earliest opportunity.

[walliver]

Welp...for example...here are the offers for a 247 2-Star prospect who was ranked 93rd in the Nation as a "Pro Style" QB (exactly the same as young Mr. Hatcher except "Pro" instead of "Dual-Threat") in 2013 while his Dad was a Head Coach at an FCS School.

PRO - 6-2 - 200



https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/817/966/1_7966817.pngAppalachian State (https://247sports.com/college/appalachian-state/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/697/649/1_4649697.pngArkansas State (https://247sports.com/college/arkansas-state/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/28/651/1_4651028.pngChattanooga (https://chattanooga.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/925/786/1_7786925.pngGeorgia State (https://247sports.com/college/georgia-state/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/843/649/1_4649843.pngLiberty (https://liberty.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/244/648/1_4648244.pngMemphis (https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/337/649/1_4649337.pngNorthern Illinois (https://247sports.com/college/northern-illinois/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/728/649/1_4649728.pngSouth Alabama (https://247sports.com/college/south-alabama/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/592/682/1_4682592.pngSouthern Miss (https://247sports.com/college/southern-mississippi/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes



So...I'll go with "at least 9" as my answer to your question xnodx


Is it safe to assume that the coach involved was coaching a startup Pioneer team who had no scholarships to offer ... and also that his son was primarily a G5 candidate?

[FUBeAR]

Is it safe to assume that the coach involved was coaching a startup Pioneer team who had no scholarships to offer ... and also that his son was primarily a G5 candidate?

"the coach involved was coaching a startup Pioneer team who had no scholarships to offer" - YES - a Pioneer Team that, despite what has been said publicly, knew as early as February of 2012, that they were going to be in the SoCon in 2014 and where employees' kids, particularly relatively highly compensated employees' kids, don't really need scholarships. http://benefitspayroll.mercer.edu/www/mu-benefitspayroll/benefits/upload/TuitionWaiverPolicy.pdf

"was primarily a G5 candidate" - Are you saying that a 2-Star / 93rd best Dual-Threat QB in the Nation wouldn't, by virtue of that rating, pretty much automatically, be "primarily a G5 candidate?" It would seem to me, based on just what I've looked at today, that they would. Hence, my (valid, IMO) question about young Mr. Hatcher's other offers.

[SU DOG]

To go back over some questions in this thread, (if anybody really gives a rat's rear).

My source for Hatcher being #51 player in the state comes from the bios of signees listed on the official site yesterday. You may email the SID if further info is needed.
Bessemer Academy - We have one other player on our roster from BA. Mike Williams, 6-5, 277 was a 2**OL coming out in the 2016 class. He was a RS who was good enough this past season to start and to make the SoCon All-Freshman Team.
Hodges and back-up - Not positive, but I'm pretty sure that our #2 guy was redshirted this past season. Georgia All-Stater Liam Welch will be VERY well known around the SoCon after Hodges is gone - believe it. xnodx

Now back to, hopefully, better topics of discussion.

[FUBeAR]

To go back over some questions in this thread, (if anybody really gives a rat's rear).

My source for Hatcher being #51 player in the state comes from the bios of signees listed on the official site yesterday. You may email the SID if further info is needed.
Bessemer Academy - We have one other player on our roster from BA. Mike Williams, 6-5, 277 was a 2**OL coming out in the 2016 class. He was a RS who was good enough this past season to start and to make the SoCon All-Freshman Team.
Hodges and back-up - Not positive, but I'm pretty sure that our #2 guy was redshirted this past season. Georgia All-Stater Liam Welch will be VERY well known around the SoCon after Hodges is gone - believe it. xnodx

Now back to, hopefully, better topics of discussion.

Thanks - Good info - but...

A) you didn't respond to my 'other offers' question. No worries, of course, if you don't know. Just a-wonderin'

2) What better topics of discussion are there than Samford's Signees? I mean it CLEARLY deserved its own thread while the rest of the SoCon's lowly Signees were relegated to being posted in a SoCon 'Community' thread.

C) Yeah - Welch was a 2-Star also and ranked as the 104th Pro-Style QB in the country by 247 (Samford's roster says 58th - I do wonder about the source - doubtful I'll call and ask though), 200th overall in GA, 8th best Pro-Style in GA. Welch also had offers from Mercer (before Riley, who was ranked 7th, Committed) & Liberty. The guys around him signed with Oklahoma, Louisiana-Lafayette, Arkansas St, and Texas A&M

[PaladinFan]

In case you were wondering, here's what an AISA defense looks like.

https://twitter.com/BessemerRebels/status/929164776642662401

[youcanbankit]

Nice!!xlolx


Welp...for example...here are the offers for a 247 2-Star prospect who was ranked 93rd in the Nation as a "Pro Style" QB (exactly the same as young Mr. Hatcher except "Pro" instead of "Dual-Threat") in 2013 while his Dad was a Head Coach at an FCS School.

PRO - 6-2 - 200



https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/817/966/1_7966817.pngAppalachian State (https://247sports.com/college/appalachian-state/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/697/649/1_4649697.pngArkansas State (https://247sports.com/college/arkansas-state/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/28/651/1_4651028.pngChattanooga (https://chattanooga.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/925/786/1_7786925.pngGeorgia State (https://247sports.com/college/georgia-state/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/843/649/1_4649843.pngLiberty (https://liberty.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/244/648/1_4648244.pngMemphis (https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/337/649/1_4649337.pngNorthern Illinois (https://247sports.com/college/northern-illinois/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/728/649/1_4649728.pngSouth Alabama (https://247sports.com/college/south-alabama/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/592/682/1_4682592.pngSouthern Miss (https://247sports.com/college/southern-mississippi/Season/2013-Football/Commits) - Offer:Yes



So...I'll go with "at least 9" as my answer to your question xnodx

[youcanbankit]

Which lopsided mop up situations would that be?...LOL not many of those these days the way we are managing games. xlolxxlolx


I've never really understood it, but Hodges almost never comes out of the game. Even in lopsided mop up situations.

Clay Hendrix was the complete opposite. He'd pull PJ Blazejowski at the earliest opportunity.

[youcanbankit]

More on the Samford signee class tomorrow night talking to @Chris_Renkel (https://twitter.com/Chris_Renkel) of @WIAT42 (https://twitter.com/WIAT42) in studio. See the interview Sun. at 10:30 pm on CBS42 Sports Sunday.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27091&stc=1

[jsualumnus]

Interested to see that ranking given the level of competition.

Like Georgia, private schools in Alabama can play either in the independent association or the high school association. In my experience, AISA would be below the lowest high school classification in terms of depth and talent.

Only 8 teams make the playoffs, so three wins gets you a state title. It's the same teams playing for a title every single season for years.

Maybe the kid is an elite QB. I have no idea. I just have a hard time believing that a 5'9 QB off a tiny private school who plays against the weakest competition in the state is the 8th best HS QB in Alabama.

And many of these schools are playing 8-man football...

[FUBeAR]

Which lopsided mop up situations would that be?...LOL not many of those these days the way we are managing games. xlolxxlolx

How about these 5 from 2017?...I attended the Georgia & Mercer games, and watched the El Cid game. All 3 WERE clearly decided before the 4th quarter. Obviously, from the scores (by quarter) alone, the VMI and ETSU games were as well. Despite that, no other QB 'managed' to throw a pass in 2017.



Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


Samford
0
7
0
7
14


Georgia
14
7
21
0
42




Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
INT
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
26
35
227
2
0
25
3


TOTALS
26
35
227
2
0
25
3





Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


The Citadel
0
7
7
0
14


Samford
28
7
0
0
35




Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
Int.
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
21
26
323
3
2
70
1


TOTALS
21
26
323
3
2
70
1





Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


Samford
10
10
3
3
26


VMI
7
0
0
0
7




Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
INT
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
26
38
262
1
0
31
2


Clarke Miller (TE - Fake Punt, I believe)
1
1
5
0
0
5
0


TOTALS
27
39
267
1
0
31
2





Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


Samford
0
10
8
2
20


Mercer
0
3
0
0
3




Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
INT
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
36
49
367
2
1
34
2


TOTALS
36
49
367
2
1
34
2






1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


ETSU
0
7
0
0
7


Samford
14
21
0
7
42





Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
Int.
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
20
32
261
4
0
75
1


TOTALS
20
32
261
4
0
75
1

[PaladinFan]

The only guess I can venture is that Samford does not really have a non-Hodges way of slowing the game down. The Bulldogs are not a good running team, so they will continue to throw it regardless of who is at QB. Hodges is probably the only guy they trust to run the clock and still complete enough passes to keep it moving.

Furman, for instance, pulled PJ Blazejowski as soon as the game was in hand. The backup would hardly ever throw it or even pitch it out of the option. His job was to hand it off and not fumble. Samford isn't really built to do that.

[SCPALADIN]

In case you were wondering, here's what an AISA defense looks like.

https://twitter.com/BessemerRebels/status/929164776642662401

Wow...hope Samford signed #8, the CB from the blue team. That may have been the worst tackling effort I've ever seen.

[PaladinFan]

That's about as poor an effort as you may ever see on defense. The WR goes 20 yards and "breaks" four tackles on a 5 yard route. Three of those tackle attempts appear to be of the one-hand-touch variety.

My favorite player is the safety who runs over after the touchdown and looks like he's so mad at the defense, yet he didn't even really start jogging to the ball until the man was in the endzone. I mean, where were you and your sleeves on that play?

I posted that not to dump on the defense, but only to highlight the sort of competition young Mr. Hatcher is playing against. It ain't very good.

[SCPALADIN]

That's about as poor an effort as you may ever see on defense. The WR goes 20 yards and "breaks" four tackles on a 5 yard route. Three of those tackle attempts appear to be of the one-hand-touch variety.

My favorite player is the safety who runs over after the touchdown and looks like he's so mad at the defense, yet he didn't even really start jogging to the ball until the man was in the endzone. I mean, where were you and your sleeves on that play?

I posted that not to dump on the defense, but only to highlight the sort of competition young Mr. Hatcher is playing against. It ain't very good.

You're giving it more credit than it deserves. xsmiley_wix

[SU DOG]

I think most FCS schools, at least in the SoCon, have small private school players on their rosters. These could be walk-ons, partials, or even full rides. Without a lot of searching I see where Furman has at least 2 from Fellowship Christian Academy(ranked #4737) and Mercer 1 from Tattnall Square Academy(ranked # 5742), so I see no credibility in blasting Bessemer Academy(ranked # 3666 in the country).

To the JSU fan, I would like to ask, "who was your starting center this entire past season?" You probably know it was big Tyler Scoggaro. But where did Tyler play his high school football? Yep, good ole Bessemer Academy!xlolx

[JSUSoutherner]

I think most FCS schools, at least in the SoCon, have small private school players on their rosters. These could be walk-ons, partials, or even full rides. Without a lot of searching I see where Furman has at least 2 from Fellowship Christian Academy(ranked #4737) and Mercer 1 from Tattnall Square Academy(ranked # 5742), so I see no credibility in blasting Bessemer Academy(ranked # 3666 in the country).

To the JSU fan, I would like to ask, "who was your starting center this entire past season?" You probably know it was big Tyler Scoggaro. But where did Tyler play his high school football? Yep, good ole Bessemer Academy!xlolx
Who the hell is Scoggaro?

[SU DOG]

ZZZs instead of GGs as you probably could figure out. See if this link helps to jog your JSU memory.
http://jsugamecocksports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3341&path=football

[PaladinFan]

I think most FCS schools, at least in the SoCon, have small private school players on their rosters. These could be walk-ons, partials, or even full rides. Without a lot of searching I see where Furman has at least 2 from Fellowship Christian Academy(ranked #4737) and Mercer 1 from Tattnall Square Academy(ranked # 5742), so I see no credibility in blasting Bessemer Academy(ranked # 3666 in the country).

To the JSU fan, I would like to ask, "who was your starting center this entire past season?" You probably know it was big Tyler Scoggaro. But where did Tyler play his high school football? Yep, good ole Bessemer Academy!xlolx

First, I have no objection to small private schools and football. There are some super good players that come out of such places. Samford has a player from my alma mater that fits that bill.

That said, you are mixing apples and oranges. Fellowship Christian and Tattnall Square are both GHSA football programs. Yes, they are both Class A private schools, but so is a lot of GHSA Class A (that used to not be the case). GHSA schools, especially in South Georgia, play a lot of public county schools.

My high school (a small GHSA private school), for instance, hardly plays any other private schools. This past season they played a AA high school as well as a number of the top public schools in the classification, which also happen to be in their region. Those small county schools produce a ton of D1 talent.

Bessmer Academy is an AISA school. They don't play any public/county schools. Their playoffs are only 8 teams (instead of 24). All are small private schools, but they play in completely different classifications against completely different competition. I haven't looked, but I'd be completely surprised to see any GISA or other AISA players on a SoCon roster.

That's not to say that you cannot find a good football player in the AISA, because you probably can. I'm just suggesting that I don't buy too much into s two star ratings on a QB and a lofty accolade that he is the 8th best (or whatever) QB in Alabama based purely on the level of competition. It's not his fault the defenses he played stink, but I also bake that into the cake when evaluating a player.

[FUBeAR]

I think most FCS schools, at least in the SoCon, have small private school players on their rosters. These could be walk-ons, partials, or even full rides. Without a lot of searching I see where Furman has at least 2 from Fellowship Christian Academy(ranked #4737) and Mercer 1 from Tattnall Square Academy(ranked # 5742), so I see no credibility in blasting Bessemer Academy(ranked # 3666 in the country).

To the JSU fan, I would like to ask, "who was your starting center this entire past season?" You probably know it was big Tyler Scoggaro. But where did Tyler play his high school football? Yep, good ole Bessemer Academy!xlolxCool...I know 1 of the Fellowship grads on FU's roster is a walk-on and the other one I know personally...he had multiple FCS offers & was a very athletic 6-4/280 OLineman coming out of high school, i.e., he had the size, athleticism, and 'validation' of multiple offers to play at the FCS Level. His starting every game as a R-FR and making All-SoCon FR Team kind of further validate using those criteria as a 'rule of thumb.' I also personally know the Mercer Player from Tattnall. His older (similarly sized, but slightly slower) older brother was a 4 year starter at Mercer and an outstanding LB for the Bears. The younger LB, also, despite his family connection to Mercer & "Hometown Hero" status, had multiple FCS offers. At 6-0, 220, he also has the size, athleticism, and 'validation' (Other Offers & DNA) to play LB at the FCS Level. Making Mercer's 2-Deep in 2017 as a R-SO and playing well until he was injured @ Auburn also further validates using size, athleticism, DNA, and other offers as validating metrics making sense.

Young Mr. Hatcher has impressive Recruit Rankings and 'validating' DNA, of course. He may have outstanding athleticism - hard to say - only 1 run & 2 or 3 plays avoiding rush on his highlight vid - mostly 7 minutes of him standing in a clean pocket throwing balls to mostly uncovered WR's - but he clearly doesn't have typical size for an FCS QB. That's why I'm so interested in learning if he had other 'validating' offers. Even if he doesn't, he could still come in and rewrite the record-books in Homewood as he leads the Bulldogs to multiple National Championships...see Georgia Southern's 5-7/175 QB and 2007 Payton Award Winner, Jayson Foster. (Coached by Samford's Coach Hatcher that year / Also had an offer from Furman coming out of HS; perhaps others)..just trying to get a gauge of, perhaps, what other College Coaches (FCS particularly) thought about him. Other offers?

[JSUSoutherner]

ZZZs instead of GGs as you probably could figure out. See if this link helps to jog your JSU memory.
http://jsugamecocksports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3341&path=football
I know exactly who you’re talking about.

You’re talking about the only center we had on the roster last year.

[PaladinFan]

Cool...I know 1 of the Fellowship grads on FU's roster is a walk-on and the other one I know personally...he had multiple FCS offers & was a very athletic 6-4/280 OLineman coming out of high school, i.e., he had the size, athleticism, and 'validation' of multiple offers to play at the FCS Level. His starting every game as a R-FR and making All-SoCon FR Team kind of further validate using those criteria as a 'rule of thumb.' I also personally know the Mercer Player from Tattnall. His older (similarly sized, but slightly slower) older brother was a 4 year starter at Mercer and an outstanding LB for the Bears. The younger LB, also, despite his family connection to Mercer & "Hometown Hero" status, had multiple FCS offers. At 6-0, 220, he also has the size, athleticism, and 'validation' (Other Offers & DNA) to play LB at the FCS Level. Making Mercer's 2-Deep in 2017 as a R-SO and playing well until he was injured @ Auburn also further validates using size, athleticism, DNA, and other offers as validating metrics making sense.

Young Mr. Hatcher has impressive Recruit Rankings and 'validating' DNA, of course. He may have outstanding athleticism - hard to say - only 1 run & 2 or 3 plays avoiding rush on his highlight vid - mostly 7 minutes of him standing in a clean pocket throwing balls to mostly uncovered WR's - but he clearly doesn't have typical size for an FCS QB. That's why I'm so interested in learning if he had other 'validating' offers. Even if he doesn't, he could still come in and rewrite the record-books in Homewood as he leads the Bulldogs to multiple National Championships...see Georgia Southern's 5-7/175 QB and 2007 Payton Award Winner, Jayson Foster. (Coached by Samford's Coach Hatcher that year / Also had an offer from Furman coming out of HS; perhaps others)..just trying to get a gauge of, perhaps, what other College Coaches (FCS particularly) thought about him. Other offers?

I used to semi-regularly attend Tattnall football games. The line-backing brothers of which you speak could really play.

Of course, both played GISA (which undercuts my argument), though I think the younger probably played some GHSA football by the end of his career.

[FUBeAR]

I used to semi-regularly attend Tattnall football games. The line-backing brothers of which you speak could really play.

Of course, both played GISA (which undercuts my argument), though I think the younger probably played some GHSA football by the end of his career.

Yep - the younger has had to deal with the injury-bug quite a bit; so we'll see how his Mercer career pans out.

The older was described by 1 Mercer OLineman as the most headache-inducing LB that he ever faced in the SoCon. Of course, butting heads every day for 3 years could have skewed that opinion. He won me over as being my kind of Player when I saw him get blind-sided and de-cleated on a KOR @ VMI in 2014. He jumped up and sprinted after the guy who just cleaned his clock, who was heading back to VMI's bench - I thought he was going to pick a fight or something - and he, instead, gave the guy a big slap-handshake and then ran back to the Mercer bench. I asked him about it afterward and he said, "I wasn't going to let the guy who hit me the hardest I've ever been hit on a Football Field get off the field without me giving him props. That was an AWESOME lick he laid on me!" The young man LOVED to play the game - very old school LB. If he could have run 4.5/4.6 instead of 4.8/4.9 (guessing), he would be playing on Sundays. Instead, he's 'turned Pro' in Heavy Equipment Sales...and I'm sure he's going to be a STAR in that endeavor.

[PaladinFan]

Yep - the younger has had to deal with the injury-bug quite a bit; so we'll see how his Mercer career pans out.

The older was described by 1 Mercer OLineman as the most headache-inducing LB that he ever faced in the SoCon. Of course, butting heads every day for 3 years could have skewed that opinion. He won me over as being my kind of Player when I saw him get blind-sided and de-cleated on a KOR @ VMI in 2014. He jumped up and sprinted after the guy who just cleaned his clock, who was heading back to VMI's bench - I thought he was going to pick a fight or something - and he, instead, gave the guy a big slap-handshake and then ran back to the Mercer bench. I asked him about it afterward and he said, "I wasn't going to let the guy who hit me the hardest I've ever been hit on a Football Field get off the field without me giving him props. That was an AWESOME lick he laid on me!" The young man LOVED to play the game - very old school LB. If he could have run 4.5/4.6 instead of 4.8/4.9 (guessing), he would be playing on Sundays. Instead, he's 'turned Pro' in Heavy Equipment Sales...and I'm sure he's going to be a STAR in that endeavor.

Top quality guys, both of them.

[SU DOG]

AISA has had some tremendous players in recent years. I do understand the competition level to be less than other divisions, and one year a team can go from rags to riches or vise-versa. I think, however, credit goes to credit due in this discussion. PaladinFan says he would be completely surprised to see any other AISA players on a SoCon roster. If that's the case, then I guess he would be completely shocked to see such players on Troy's roster(3 including Kelvin Lucky 3*** with many FBS offers including UCF and Vandy). He was rated top 25 in the state. In addition to JSU's Center and Samford's All-SoCon Fr OL, there are other examples(Coastal Carolina also). I didn't check but a couple of schools, but I do see that even SEC power Auburn has 4**** former AISA player Prince Tega Wanoggo(7 SEC offers) currently on their roster.

Hard to argue that these schools don't produce some high level football players.

[PaladinFan]

AISA has had some tremendous players in recent years. I do understand the competition level to be less than other divisions, and one year a team can go from rags to riches or vise-versa. I think, however, credit goes to credit due in this discussion. PaladinFan says he would be completely surprised to see any other AISA players on a SoCon roster. If that's the case, then I guess he would be completely shocked to see such players on Troy's roster(3 including Kelvin Lucky 3*** with many FBS offers including UCF and Vandy). He was rated top 25 in the state. In addition to JSU's Center and Samford's All-SoCon Fr OL, there are other examples(Coastal Carolina also). I didn't check but a couple of schools, but I do see that even SEC power Auburn has 4**** former AISA player Prince Tega Wanoggo(7 SEC offers) currently on their roster.

Hard to argue that these schools don't produce some high level football players.

I didn't argue that. In fact, I said the exact opposite. Small private schools do produce good talent.

We are saying the same thing. It is the lowest level of Alabama High School Football, which you appear to agree with. Sometimes there are some good players, but more often than not the competition isn't the same.

[FUBeAR]

...players on Troy's roster(3 including Kelvin Lucky 6-4/225 DE 3*** with many FBS offers including UCF and Vandy). He was rated top 25 in the state
Other 2 are a 5-9 walk-on FR DB from an 8-man HS program & a 6-4/295 OLman with offers from Nevada-Reno, LA-Lafayette, LA-Monroe, GaState, Towson, and Murray State

...JSU's 6-3/300 Center

Samford's All-SoCon 6-5/277 Fr OL with offers from Illinois, Rutgers, perhaps UCF & others...

there are other examples(Coastal Carolina also...6-1/300 OG early commit to CCU with offer from GaState). I didn't check but a couple of schools, but I do see that even SEC power Auburn has 4**** former AISA player 6-7/300 OT Prince Tega Wanoggo(7 SEC offers) currently on their roster.

Hard to argue that these schools don't produce some high level football players.

100% agree that an outstanding College Football Player can be found at any level of HS Football.

That said, all of the examples you have cited in your most recent posts have the 'standard' size (or better) to play the position they are playing in college and they have their Recruitment 'validated' by receiving multiple offers from schools (at least 1 school) at the level to which they signed or, in most cases, higher levels. (See bolded info in your post that I added/highlighted)

It's obvious that young Mr. Hatcher is exceptionally undersized to play the QB position at the FCS Level and the competition he faced during his Sr. Year in HS is rather inferior to what MOST of his fellow Teammates & Future Opponents faced in their HS careers, BUT he does have strong Recruiting Ratings and unquestionable DNA.

If he has offers from FCS (or higher) Schools, other than where his father is the Head Coach, then I will 'argue' (on your side, I think) that he is 'bona fide' and will look forward to pulling for him to have a great career at Samford and overcome the challenges of his size and prove wrong the 'haters' who doubt him.

On the other hand, if he has no other offers, I'm gonna fall into the camp of the doubters...and STILL hope he proves me wrong.

Do you know if he had any other offers?

[youcanbankit]

What can I say, Hodges needs a lot of work and reps. He has a long way to go....:):D


How about these 5 from 2017?...I attended the Georgia & Mercer games, and watched the El Cid game. All 3 WERE clearly decided before the 4th quarter. Obviously, from the scores (by quarter) alone, the VMI and ETSU games were as well. Despite that, no other QB 'managed' to throw a pass in 2017.



Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


Samford
0
7
0
7
14


Georgia
14
7
21
0
42




Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
INT
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
26
35
227
2
0
25
3


TOTALS
26
35
227
2
0
25
3





Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


The Citadel
0
7
7
0
14


Samford
28
7
0
0
35




Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
Int.
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
21
26
323
3
2
70
1


TOTALS
21
26
323
3
2
70
1





Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


Samford
10
10
3
3
26


VMI
7
0
0
0
7




Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
INT
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
26
38
262
1
0
31
2


Clarke Miller (TE - Fake Punt, I believe)
1
1
5
0
0
5
0


TOTALS
27
39
267
1
0
31
2





Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


Samford
0
10
8
2
20


Mercer
0
3
0
0
3




Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
INT
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
36
49
367
2
1
34
2


TOTALS
36
49
367
2
1
34
2






1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


ETSU
0
7
0
0
7


Samford
14
21
0
7
42





Player
Cmp
Att.
Yds.
TD
Int.
Long
Sack


Devlin Hodges
20
32
261
4
0
75
1


TOTALS
20
32
261
4
0
75
1

[youcanbankit]

Dont know of any other offers. Its a family thing...?? maybe?? No one knows except HCCH. Its ok. We will see how it plays out...Distraction or good decision, yet to be determined.


Cool...I know 1 of the Fellowship grads on FU's roster is a walk-on and the other one I know personally...he had multiple FCS offers & was a very athletic 6-4/280 OLineman coming out of high school, i.e., he had the size, athleticism, and 'validation' of multiple offers to play at the FCS Level. His starting every game as a R-FR and making All-SoCon FR Team kind of further validate using those criteria as a 'rule of thumb.' I also personally know the Mercer Player from Tattnall. His older (similarly sized, but slightly slower) older brother was a 4 year starter at Mercer and an outstanding LB for the Bears. The younger LB, also, despite his family connection to Mercer & "Hometown Hero" status, had multiple FCS offers. At 6-0, 220, he also has the size, athleticism, and 'validation' (Other Offers & DNA) to play LB at the FCS Level. Making Mercer's 2-Deep in 2017 as a R-SO and playing well until he was injured @ Auburn also further validates using size, athleticism, DNA, and other offers as validating metrics making sense.

Young Mr. Hatcher has impressive Recruit Rankings and 'validating' DNA, of course. He may have outstanding athleticism - hard to say - only 1 run & 2 or 3 plays avoiding rush on his highlight vid - mostly 7 minutes of him standing in a clean pocket throwing balls to mostly uncovered WR's - but he clearly doesn't have typical size for an FCS QB. That's why I'm so interested in learning if he had other 'validating' offers. Even if he doesn't, he could still come in and rewrite the record-books in Homewood as he leads the Bulldogs to multiple National Championships...see Georgia Southern's 5-7/175 QB and 2007 Payton Award Winner, Jayson Foster. (Coached by Samford's Coach Hatcher that year / Also had an offer from Furman coming out of HS; perhaps others)..just trying to get a gauge of, perhaps, what other College Coaches (FCS particularly) thought about him. Other offers?

[Twentysix]

Whatever will Saban do now that Samford has the #1 recruiting class in Alabama?Samford is in Alabama? The more you know.

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[youcanbankit]

Your Logo and Mascot are confusing...


Samford is in Alabama? The more you know.

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[PaladinFan]

Dont know of any other offers. Its a family thing...?? maybe?? No one knows except HCCH. Its ok. We will see how it plays out...Distraction or good decision, yet to be determined.

I can see both sides.

On one hand, Samford probably doesn't burn a scholarship signing the younger Hatcher. So, from that perspective, he's like a walkon with a scholarship who doesn't take a spot away from anyone. If he works out, great. If he doesn't, no big deal.

On the other hand, that relationship can be delicate. It's not uncommon for a coach to recruit and give an opportunity to his own kid, but you also have to avoid upending everything you've built.

[youcanbankit]

Very true. It can mess up a locker room, or have no impact. To me it puts the young man in a difficult spot. Anything that gets back to the coach from the locker room, will be blamed on him. Anytime he is treated differently, it will be favoritism, makes him a silent target....that kind of stuff. Makes it hard on the kid, more than the Coach...IMO


I can see both sides.

On one hand, Samford probably doesn't burn a scholarship signing the younger Hatcher. So, from that perspective, he's like a walkon with a scholarship who doesn't take a spot away from anyone. If he works out, great. If he doesn't, no big deal.

On the other hand, that relationship can be delicate. It's not uncommon for a coach to recruit and give an opportunity to his own kid, but you also have to avoid upending everything you've built.

[PaladinFan]

Very true. It can mess up a locker room, or have no impact. To me it puts the young man in a difficult spot. Anything that gets back to the coach from the locker room, will be blamed on him. Anytime he is treated differently, it will be favoritism, makes him a silent target....that kind of stuff. Makes it hard on the kid, more than the Coach...IMO

Could be that he wants to get into college coaching, and this is one way to get in that door.

I'm often wrong, but I just don't see how a 5'9 QB plays a lot of meaningful snaps in that offense, so it may be a non-issue. As Bear noted above, the only example of a guy that size playing QB in a non-option offense that I can remember was probably Jayson Foster under Chris Hatcher.

Foster is a unique case, though. He was a freak athlete and GSU's offense in those days was school yard stuff. Foster would take the snap, tuck the ball, and run until someone stopped him.

[walliver]

Foster was a good option QB. Van Gorder, the offensive genius that he was, thought that he would make a great receiver in his Midwest-style offense. In what was likely Hatcher's greatest move as a coach, he realized that GSU didn't have the line, receivers, or QB to run the Hatch Attack and just gave the ball to the best athlete on the field and let him do something with it.

[FUBeAR]

This can be the same guy.
Certainly can be the same guy...but NOT at the same time.

[FUBeAR]

Dont know of any other offers. Its a family thing...?? maybe?? No one knows except HCCH. Its ok. We will see how it plays out...Distraction or good decision, yet to be determined.OK...we've just about xdeadhorsex...so, since SU DOG has not responded otherwise, I'll 'bank that' as the Final Answer to the question of whether or not young Mr. Hatcher had any other offers. Thus, I am in the Doubters camp for now - doubting that young Mr. Hatcher at 5-9/165 (so...probably 5-8/160...or smaller) is a bona fide SoCon QB prospect.

BTW - for those interested, here's a link to his highlight video of him playing HS ball against a higher level of competition - when he was splitting time with a Soph, while a Jr. at AL 6-A Homewood HS - http://www.hudl.com/v/27eZVG - similar to his Sr. Year Bessemer Academy/AISA tape - with only 2 runs; both ended voluntarily before being hit (given that, doesn't appear to be a true dual-threat) & no rush-avoidance plays, but 7 minutes of throwing balls to slightly better covered Receivers. He does get popped after throwing on 2 occasions (1 should have been a penalty) and he goes a-flyin' when hit.

Will be interesting to watch his career develop at Samford and the impact of his presence on the Team.

Let's hope for more Russ/Jacob Huesman-Chattanooga-like and less Paul/Kye Hamilton-Elon & Brevard-like. I, honestly, don't wish that kind of mess on any Team/Fanbase or on the young Player.

[PaladinFan]

OK...we've just about xdeadhorsex...so, since SU DOG has not responded otherwise, I'll 'bank that' as the Final Answer to the question of whether or not young Mr. Hatcher had any other offers. Thus, I am in the Doubters camp for now - doubting that young Mr. Hatcher at 5-9/165 (so...probably 5-8/160...or smaller) is a bona fide SoCon QB prospect.

BTW - for those interested, here's a link to his highlight video of him playing HS ball against a higher level of competition - when he was splitting time with a Soph, while a Jr. at AL 6-A Homewood HS - http://www.hudl.com/v/27eZVG - similar to his Sr. Year Bessemer Academy/AISA tape - with only 2 runs; both ended voluntarily before being hit (given that, doesn't appear to be a true dual-threat) & no rush-avoidance plays, but 7 minutes of throwing balls to slightly better covered Receivers. He does get popped after throwing on 2 occasions (1 should have been a penalty) and he goes a-flyin' when hit.

Will be interesting to watch his career develop at Samford and the impact of his presence on the Team.

Let's hope for more Russ/Jacob Huesman-Chattanooga-like and less Paul/Kye Hamilton-Elon & Brevard-like. I, honestly, don't wish that kind of mess on any Team/Fanbase or on the young Player.

Kind of a unique video. Nearly every pass is a sprint out, which makes sense given a shorter QB. Besides that, most of the completed passes seem to be one of two varieties - a five yard crossing route to the TE or a wheel route down the sideline to the split end.

Curiously, Hamp Sisson, a Furman QB commit, is listed by 247 as 108th best player in Alabama and a "pro style" QB. Sisson is one of the more polished QB recruits I've seen commit to Furman in a long time, and is very mobile. I really have no idea how a guy gets the designation of "dual threat" or "pro style" as the designation seems borderline random.

[Milktruck74]

Let's hope for more Russ/Jacob Huesman-Chattanooga-like and less Paul/Kye Hamilton-Elon & Brevard-like. I, honestly, don't wish that kind of mess on any Team/Fanbase or on the young Player.


Jacob had his doubters early on too. As a HC, if you make that decision to play your son, you better be right....and really leave no doubt. Even if he is slightly better, people will always say it's favoritism.

[FUBeAR]

Jacob had his doubters early on too. As a HC, if you make that decision to play your son, you better be right....and really leave no doubt. Even if he is slightly better, people will always say it's favoritism. Yes - I imagine that Huesman vs. Terrell Robinson decision could have had huge negative locker room and, thus, recruiting ramifications if it had not been quite so clearly the correct decision fairly early on in young Mr. Huesman's tenure as the starting QB for the Mocs. Probably helped some that Coach Huesman was well-known as a DC and Defensive guy and, though he was obviously the final arbiter, some of the 'blame' for the decision I would imagine was, at least initially, dispersed to OC & QB Coach (Marcus) Satterfield, who had just spent 3 seasons tutoring a record-setting QB that was drafted by the NFL.

Should young Mr. Hatcher ever start a game for the Bulldogs, no one will have any doubt regarding the decision-maker behind that decision. If that happens, I hope it's the wily, heavily experienced, passing game expert, former record-setting gunslinging QB, now long-term (relatively) successful Head Coach who has made the decision and not one of those crazy QB Parents whose kid has never made a bad play.

[Milktruck74]

Yes - I imagine that Huesman vs. Terrell Robinson decision could have had huge negative locker room and, thus, recruiting ramifications if it had not been quite so clearly the correct decision fairly early on in young Mr. Huesman's tenure as the starting QB for the Mocs. Probably helped some that Coach Huesman was well-known as a DC and Defensive guy and, though he was obviously the final arbiter, some of the 'blame' for the decision I would imagine was, at least initially, dispersed to OC & QB Coach (Marcus) Satterfield, who had just spent 3 seasons tutoring a record-setting QB that was drafted by the NFL.

Should young Mr. Hatcher ever start a game for the Bulldogs, no one will have any doubt regarding the decision-maker behind that decision. If that happens, I hope it's the wily, heavily experienced, passing game expert, former record-setting gunslinging QB, now long-term (relatively) successful Head Coach who has made the decision and not one of those crazy QB Parents whose kid has never made a bad play.


This can be the same guy.

[PaladinFan]

Jacob had his doubters early on too. As a HC, if you make that decision to play your son, you better be right....and really leave no doubt. Even if he is slightly better, people will always say it's favoritism.

UTC's coaching staff did every other team a great service by taking a long time to figure out that Huesman at QB and Robinson at WR was the best combination on offense for the Mocs.

[FUBeAR]

This can be the same guy.
True - but NOT at the same time.