AGS Poll Results - Week 10 - 11/06/2017

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AGS Poll Results - Week 10 - 11/06/2017





Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
James Madison Dukes
1875
75
1


2
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1717

3


3
Central Arkansas Bears
1707

4


4
North Dakota State Bison
1656

2


5
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1526

9


6
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1469

6


7
Elon Phoenix
1437

7


8
Wofford Terriers
1326

8


9
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
1224

11


10
South Dakota Coyotes
1200

5


11
Stony Brook Seawolves
1038

14


12
Weber State Wildcats
990

17


13
Western Illinois Leathernecks
922

16


14
North Carolina A&T Aggies
903

12


15
Furman Paladins
705

18


16
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
671

10


17
Samford Bulldogs
528

19


18
Western Carolina Catamounts
517

20


19
Northern Iowa Panthers
504

24


20
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
473

21


21
Illinois State Redbirds
444

13


22
Monmouth Hawks
326

22


23
Eastern Washington Eagles
210

15


24
McNeese State Cowboys
208

25


25
Montana Grizzlies
178

31

















ORV:





26
Kennesaw State Owls
153

29


27
New Hampshire Wildcats
133

28


28
Nicholls State Colonels
125

26


29
Grambling State Tigers
88

27


30
Richmond Spiders
80

30


31
Yale Bulldogs
19

32


32
North Carolina Central Eagles
10

34


33T
Colgate Raiders
4

NR


33T
Villanova Wildcats
4

23


35
Austin Peay Governors
3

NR


36
Sacramento State Hornets
2

NR






































Most Significant Win:
South Dakota State Jackrabbits






Most Significant Loss:
South Dakota Coyotes



























Fell Out Of Poll:






Duquesne Dukes






Maine Black Bears






Southeastern Louisiana Lions






The Citadel Bulldogs






Youngstown State Penguins

[Daytripper]

Still don't get the JSU love....

[JSUSoutherner]

Deal with it. xcoolx

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Furman Paladins
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Western Carolina Catamounts
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Kennesaw State Owls

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

[Professor Chaos]

The Wedge blog post for this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-top-25-week-10-results-2/

I'm surprised to see JSU hanging on in front of UCA at #2. Also surprised to see EWU still in the top 25. Those two teams at 26 and 27 are very deserving of being ranked IMO. And I still don't get McNeese over Nicholls but it's pretty close.

[BEAR]

I like it.

One game at a time...xthumbsupx

[Daytripper]

Deal with it. xcoolx

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Sam Houston State Bearkats
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Furman Paladins
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Western Carolina Catamounts
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Kennesaw State Owls

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

I guess the win isn't significant enough to place them above the team they just beat........??

[Professor Chaos]

I guess the win isn't significant enough to place them above the team they just beat........??
Not for me either. I had the same MSW and MSL as Southerner did but I still have NDSU above SDSU. This poll is for the whole season not just last week.

For full disclosure:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Elon Phoenix
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: Wofford Terriers
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Furman Paladins
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Kennesaw State Owls
25: Nicholls State Colonels

[Daytripper]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Furman Paladins
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Western Carolina Catamounts
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Monmouth Hawks
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Grambling State Tigers
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Richmond Spiders

Daytripper

[JSUSoutherner]

I guess the win isn't significant enough to place them above the team they just beat........??
It moved them up consderiably. I think if you play that game 10 times the Bison win 8 of the matchups. The Bison team that played in Brookings is not the Bison team we've been watching all season.

I ranked this week on who I think would beat who if they were to play this weekend.

[RootinFerDukes]

The only real surprise here was NDSU falling as far as 2 spots while JSU and UCA passed them. I'll go ahead and autofill your reply for you. SLOT VOTING!!!!!!!

[JMUNJ08]

Besides NOVA still getting 4 votes with how terrible they have been, this poll looks spot on. Great job AGS voters! May I have the time to rejoin the ranks next year...

[F'N Hawks]

Yah, those Coaches are soooo stupid. NDSU drops to #4 in this poll...big difference.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This was a bad week as far as mistakes and corrections but all but one of you guys at least responded to my requests.

But guys you have got to start doing a better job of looking over your own ballots. That is your job, not mine. I will try to back you up but leaving me with this isn't gonna work out very well. I have a ton to do each week and most of you are very courteous with the apologies and sending along your thanks etc. but man you have just got to do the stop and look your ballots over when you get them back. Some of you are just not doing a good job on that front.

Please, in two weeks it is going to be the absolute ****s if we have a week like this and you are leaving me with this major load.
Pay close attention when submitting.
Check your ballot over VERY CLOSELY.
Email me with your corrections ASAp.

I need your help to keep this thing #1.

[Bison56]

Yah, those Coaches are soooo stupid. NDSU drops to #4 in this poll...big difference.

Must not be getting enough attention at home.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Look at it this way. I am asking you to look over one ballot very closely. I have 75 to do. Who would you rather be?

[Bison56]

Still don't get the JSU love....

Me either

[kdinva]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Furman Paladins
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Illinois State Redbirds
18: Western Carolina Catamounts
19: Samford Bulldogs
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Grambling State Tigers
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Montana Grizzlies

kdinva

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles

[Gangtackle11]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Wofford Terriers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Furman Paladins
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Kennesaw State Owls

Gangtackle11

note: those 4 Nova points aren’t from me.

[WrenFGun]

How in god's name is UNH not ranked? They have 6 DI wins, an FBS win, just 2 conference losses [both teams ranked] and a bad loss to Holy Cross. I'd understand, but Eastern Washington has no good wins, 5 DI wins and have lost 2 straight. Samford lost to Chattanooga at home, has 5 DI wins and beat Wofford.

I think if New Hampshire was named some other college they'd be ranked right now.

[Professor Chaos]

How in god's name is UNH not ranked? They have 6 DI wins, an FBS win, just 2 conference losses [both teams ranked] and a bad loss to Holy Cross. I'd understand, but Eastern Washington has no good wins, 5 DI wins and have lost 2 straight. Samford lost to Chattanooga at home, has 5 DI wins and beat Wofford.

I think if New Hampshire was named some other college they'd be ranked right now.
I notice you're leaving out details of who UNH's best wins are....

Don't get me wrong I think they should be ranked ahead of EWU (although they do have one good win in Missoula) right now as well but UNH's resume doesn't scream "clear top 25" to me right now either. I'd put Kennesaw and Nicholls in there before UNH.

[World]

Fell Out Of Poll:













The Citadel Bulldogs













Ouch!

[KPSUL]

I notice you're leaving out details of who UNH's best wins are....

Don't get me wrong I think they should be ranked ahead of EWU (although they do have one good win in Missoula) right now as well but UNH's resume doesn't scream "clear top 25" to me right now either. I'd put Kennesaw and Nicholls in there before UNH.

No matter, I suspect you'll have-em in there next Sunday, and they'll be beating someone on November 25th.

[Mayville Bison]

Looking back, Wofford and Sammy should be switched

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Elon Phoenix
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Furman Paladins
19: Kennesaw State Owls
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Western Carolina Catamounts
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: McNeese State Cowboys

Mayville Bison

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

No matter, I suspect you'll have-em in there next Sunday, and they'll be beating someone on November 25th.
Absolutely. Elon has looked ripe for the picking for a while now but still keeps finding ways to win and have crept all the way up to #5 on my poll ballot. If UNH wins that one there's no disputing they're a top 25 team.

[WrenFGun]

I notice you're leaving out details of who UNH's best wins are....

Don't get me wrong I think they should be ranked ahead of EWU (although they do have one good win in Missoula) right now as well but UNH's resume doesn't scream "clear top 25" to me right now either. I'd put Kennesaw and Nicholls in there before UNH.

I don't think their wins are anything to write home about; but their FBS win is as good as one good win against an FCS school, IMO.

[Sammy94]

Hello Sammy94,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/5/2017 13:35:19

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: North Carolina A&T Aggies
15: Furman Paladins
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Nicholls State Colonels
25: Monmouth Hawks

Sammy94

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

[IBleedYellow]

You all need to stop making Ursus's job harder. Damn people.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I don't think their wins are anything to write home about; but their FBS win is as good as one good win against an FCS school, IMO.

Is a win against a winless Sun Belt team really as good as beating say a Top 15 FCS team?

[WrenFGun]

Is a win against a winless Sun Belt team really as good as beating say a Top 15 FCS team?

I think at the very worst it's "just outside the top 25." How many times is an FCS going to beat any FBS team with the additional scholarships that they have? Honest to goodness, what's the difference between South Dakota and UNH that separates them by that much? Neither team has really beaten anyone of significant note. Definitely think there's people that really want to see the playoff streak end and I get that -- just don't think teams are being viewed similarly right now. UNH's win over Georgia Southern is better than anything that Sam Houston State has, for instance, but they're what, 4th in the country? It's a little bit silly.

[nevadagriz]

1.Hats off to SDSU I was very critical of them after their close game with the Cats and their two losses however they are proving to be the real deal.
2. If USD loses next two games could they miss playoffs with a three game skid to end season?
3.Glad Montana don't play Bizon next week!
4.Has the NAU free fall began?
5. EWU too much credit UNI not enough IMO
6. Can anyone beat JMU

[RootinFerDukes]

I don't think their wins are anything to write home about; but their FBS win is as good as one good win against an FCS school, IMO.

Just looking at Massey ratings, there are 59 FCS schools ranked ahead of Georgia Southern at the moment. They're winless and wouldn't be ranked if they were FCS. You'll probably find a similar spread among sagarin rankings as well.

[tomq04]

I threw out EWU, you should too.

[BNATION]

I somewhat disagree, the bison team you saw is the Bison team that usually shows up against good competition on the road. Let us not forget that even in the Nat Champ runs they were good for a road loss, one time even to a bottom of the pack MSST.


It moved them up consderiably. I think if you play that game 10 times the Bison win 8 of the matchups. The Bison team that played in Brookings is not the Bison team we've been watching all season.

I ranked this week on who I think would beat who if they were to play this weekend.

[BNATION]

To answer #6, i think there are only 2-3 teams that have a chance to beat JMU, now anything can happen on any given Saturday but they seem to be a step up this year as they were last year. Lets not forget, neither NDST or YSU challenged the Dukes in the postseason either.


1.Hats off to SDSU I was very critical of them after their close game with the Cats and their two losses however they are proving to be the real deal.
2. If USD loses next two games could they miss playoffs with a three game skid to end season?
3.Glad Montana don't play Bizon next week!
4.Has the NAU free fall began?
5. EWU too much credit UNI not enough IMO
6. Can anyone beat JMU

[caribbeanhen]

This poll is hands-down better than any other pole, you guys are killing it

like to hear what the selection committee actually thinks about it

[Southern Bison]

To answer #6, i think there are only 2-3 teams that have a chance to beat JMU, now anything can happen on any given Saturday but they seem to be a step up this year as they were last year. Lets not forget, neither NDST or YSU challenged the Dukes in the postseason either.A Sammy fan lamenting about the opponents for JMU in last year's playoffs that lost by 10 & 14...omits his school that lost to the Dukes by 58.
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[BNATION]

No SHSU was included in that, i said nobody including SHSU when i said the other two teams did not "either". No excuses here i think they were prob 14-20 points better than us last year with a healthy QB.


A Sammy fan lamenting about the opponents for JMU in last year's playoffs that lost by 10 & 14...omits his school that lost to the Dukes by 58.
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[caribbeanhen]

1.Hats off to SDSU I was very critical of them after their close game with the Cats and their two losses however they are proving to be the real deal.
2. If USD loses next two games could they miss playoffs with a three game skid to end season?
3.Glad Montana don't play Bizon next week!
4.Has the NAU free fall began?
5. EWU too much credit UNI not enough IMO
6. Can anyone beat JMU

1. Yes but doesn't this scenario play out every year until they play North Dakota State in the playoffs ?

2. I doubt it because of the little Darling Personna the Committee has with you guys in the Midwest

3. If you could get them out of the Fargo Dome u might have a shot, but I get it it's been along time been a long time been a long time been a long lonely lonely lonely time Ode to Led Zeppelin

4. Yes

5. Agree

6. There is one team they would not want to see again in the second round, The big * to that scenario playing out is that other team hasn't made the playoffs yet, but this time the player who made the backwards pass leading to the loss will be on the receiving end of that pass

[Sammy94]

A Sammy fan lamenting about the opponents for JMU in last year's playoffs that lost by 10 & 14...omits his school that lost to the Dukes by 58.
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I think if you lose by 70 or 1 you still go home and check in equipment.

[DirtyDukes]

6. There is one team they would not want to see again in the second round, The big * to that scenario playing out is that other team hasn't made the playoffs yet, but this time the player who made the backwards pass leading to the loss will be on the receiving end of that pass

I think Towson showed us the key to defeating you guys ;)

[Professor Chaos]

I somewhat disagree, the bison team you saw is the Bison team that usually shows up against good competition on the road. Let us not forget that even in the Nat Champ runs they were good for a road loss, one time even to a bottom of the pack MSST.
They didn't lose a road game in any of their first 3 national championship seasons from 2011-2013. They won 22 in a row away from the Fargodome between the playoff loss to EWU in 2010 and their loss @UNI in 2014. Even with the road loss last Saturday they actually have a slightly better winning percentage away from the Fargodome since they started winning titles in 2011 (92.5%, 37-3) than they do in the Fargodome (91.5%, 54-5).

[IBleedYellow]

They didn't lose a road game in any of their first 3 national championship seasons from 2011-2013. They won 22 in a row away from the Fargodome between the playoff loss to EWU in 2010 and their loss @UNI in 2014. Even with the road loss last Saturday they actually have a slightly better winning percentage away from the Fargodome since they started winning titles in 2011 (92.5%, 37-3) than they do in the Fargodome (91.5%, 54-5).

People really want to make up their own facts for NDSU before they actually look them up.

Blind hatred, I guess. :D

[caribbeanhen]

I think Towson showed us the key to defeating you guys ;)

we were not inspired take that as a complement

[ST_Lawson]

Is a win against a winless Sun Belt team really as good as beating say a Top 15 FCS team?

Someone talking about wins over bad Sun Belt teams?...

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[KPSUL]

This poll is hands-down better than any other pole, you guys are killing it

like to hear what the selection committee actually thinks about it

Something like "AG What??"

[PantherRob82]

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/5/2017 6:28:09

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Furman Paladins
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Western Illinois Leathernecks
15: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Eastern Washington Eagles
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Kennesaw State Owls

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

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[Cocky]

Still don't get the JSU love....

Still not getting the Sam Houston love either. Or for that matter UCA as none of the three have beaten anyone.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Yale Bulldogs
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Furman Paladins
24: Nicholls State Colonels
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles

[TheKingpin28]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Western Illinois Leathernecks
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Furman Paladins
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Monmouth Hawks
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Nicholls State Colonels
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Kennesaw State Owls

Outside of NCAT, which I have stated why I don't believe they are worthy of the T15, I am surprised my poll was close to the AGS aggregate.

[Professor Chaos]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Central Arkansas Bears
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Yale Bulldogs
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Furman Paladins
24: Nicholls State Colonels
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
No UNI? They have wins over your #5 and #12 teams and their only FCS losses are to your #3, #9, and #11 teams.

[TheValleyRaider]

AGS Poll Results - Week 10 - 11/06/2017





ORV:












33T
Colgate Raiders
4

NR













Awww, thanks guys xbeerchugx

[clenz]

No UNI? They have wins over your #5 and #12 teams and their only FCS losses are to your #3, #9, and #11 teams.

And they lead 9 with 7 seconds left and lined up for a game winning field goal with less than 3 min left on the road vs #11


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[MTfan4life]

I'm sure there was a good amount of sandbagging out there, but I'm surprised North Dakota State dropped. The idea that their 8-1 resume is worse than both UCA and JSU is kind of laughable and very questionable. NDSU has wins over 3 ranked teams, UCA has wins over 2 ranked teams, and Jacksonville State last beat a currently present or end of season ranked team in 2015. (Coastal Carolina probably would have been ranked at season's end last year, though.) If James Madison lost to Elon, would Jacksonville State be the #1 ranked team in the country by virtue of the idea that a team HAS to drop if they lose?

[JSUSoutherner]

I'm sure there was a good amount of sandbagging out there, but I'm surprised North Dakota State dropped. The idea that their 8-1 resume is worse than both UCA and JSU is kind of laughable and very questionable. NDSU has wins over 3 ranked teams, UCA has wins over 2 ranked teams, and Jacksonville State last beat a currently present or end of season ranked team in 2015. (Coastal Carolina probably would have been ranked at season's end last year, though.) If James Madison lost to Elon, would Jacksonville State be the #1 ranked team in the country by virtue of the idea that a team HAS to drop if they lose?
I still have NDSU and JMU ahead of JSU because I think they play better football than JSU not because JSU has been on a cupcake spree.

I think many here focus too much on who has been played rather than how those games have been played. Teams can only beat the teams in front of them. If JSU and UCA could swap out Murray State and Incarnate Word for SDSU, WIU, Elon, or Wofford I'm sure they would jump at the chance.

Many see the teams in the Valley have lots of success in the postseason and point to the schedule as the reason. I think the Valley teams have a lot of success because they know how to play good football. Being tested helps, yes, but ultimately a schedule isn't going to line up across from an opponent and beat them.

[BisonFan02]

I'm sure there was a good amount of sandbagging out there, but I'm surprised North Dakota State dropped. The idea that their 8-1 resume is worse than both UCA and JSU is kind of laughable and very questionable. NDSU has wins over 3 ranked teams, UCA has wins over 2 ranked teams, and Jacksonville State last beat a currently present or end of season ranked team in 2015. (Coastal Carolina probably would have been ranked at season's end last year, though.) If James Madison lost to Elon, would Jacksonville State be the #1 ranked team in the country by virtue of the idea that a team HAS to drop if they lose?

People have been waiting to drop NDSU. The overreaction was expected. The Bison have had ONE unblemished Valley conference season since joining (2013 GOAT year)....its incredibly tough to do.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

No UNI? They have wins over your #5 and #12 teams and their only FCS losses are to your #3, #9, and #11 teams.

I considered EWU and UNI but left both out. UNI definitely had the better argument (especially with EWU's QB being suspended) but I couldn't justify a 5-4 team at this point of the season. If they finish strong they'll earn their way in.

[Bison56]

I somewhat disagree, the bison team you saw is the Bison team that usually shows up against good competition on the road. Let us not forget that even in the Nat Champ runs they were good for a road loss, one time even to a bottom of the pack MSST.

What? At least het your facts straight.

[TheKingpin28]

What? At least het your facts straight.

It's in their anti-Bison blood. Anytime they can take a swing at the Bison, they will.

[70MilesFromCanada]

It's in their anti-Bison blood. Anytime they can take a swing at the Bison, they will.

Ya think! Those Bizon guys need to look in the mirror too for a little "reflection".

[TheKingpin28]

Ya think! Those Bizon guys need to look in the mirror too for a little "reflection".

After the ****show GFCC pulled on NDSU and the State of North Dakota, you have got to be kidding me.

[JMUNJ08]

No SHSU was included in that, i said nobody including SHSU when i said the other two teams did not "either". No excuses here i think they were prob 14-20 points better than us last year with a healthy QB.

And if it wasn't cold? And if it was at SHSU instead? Bet you guys would have won by 14-20 too... Look, I'm not sure how much he was hurt but literally no one else helped him out either. The stud D-lineman and all that team speed looked awfully tame away from your friendly confines...

[MTfan4life]

I think many here focus too much on who has been played rather than how those games have been played. Teams can only beat the teams in front of them. If JSU and UCA could swap out Murray State and Incarnate Word for SDSU, WIU, Elon, or Wofford I'm sure they would jump at the chance.


For me to think of JSU as an elite team, I'd expect them to be doing to teams what no other team or few other teams has/have done to them. Outside of Austin Peay, that hasn't really happened. They did what Mercer, Furman, WCU, and Tennessee Martin did to Chatty. They did what Kennesaw and Monmouth did to Liberty. They did what SEMO did to Tennessee Tech. Tennessee State and SEMO beat EKU the same way JSU did. Tennessee Martin did to Eastern Illinois what JSU did. And so on.

Central Arkansas on the other hand, is the only team to have beaten SHSU, and they did it by double digits. They beat a 2 loss McNeese by 30; McNeese's other loss was by 2. SELA has four losses by 10 or less points and then a fifth loss to UCA by 32 points.

There hasn't really been a game where I thought to myself, "wow, Jacksonville State looked really good." I've thought that three different times with Central Arkansas, a couple times with Elon, Southern Utah, and South Dakota State, among other teams.

[cx500d]

Here are the correct answers to this quiz:


Your vote is listed below.

1: James Madison Dukes
2: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Elon Phoenix
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10: South Dakota Coyotes
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Stony Brook Seawolves
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: Western Illinois Leathernecks
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: Furman Paladins
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Western Carolina Catamounts
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Montana Grizzlies
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Illinois State Redbirds

cx500d

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[JSUSoutherner]

For me to think of JSU as an elite team, I'd expect them to be doing to teams what no other team or few other teams has/have done to them. Outside of Austin Peay, that hasn't really happened. They did what Mercer, Furman, WCU, and Tennessee Martin did to Chatty. They did what Kennesaw and Monmouth did to Liberty. They did what SEMO did to Tennessee Tech. Tennessee State and SEMO beat EKU the same way JSU did. Tennessee Martin did to Eastern Illinois what JSU did. And so on.

Central Arkansas on the other hand, is the only team to have beaten SHSU, and they did it by double digits. They beat a 2 loss McNeese by 30; McNeese's other loss was by 2. SELA has four losses by 10 or less points and then a fifth loss to UCA by 32 points.

There hasn't really been a game where I thought to myself, "wow, Jacksonville State looked really good." I've thought that three different times with Central Arkansas, a couple times with Elon, Southern Utah, and South Dakota State, among other teams.

I guess we'll just have to wait until December and see what happens.

[Bison56]

I guess we'll just have to wait until December and see what happens.

I can't wait that long xsmhx love this time of year!

[JSUSoutherner]

I can't wait that long xsmhx love this time of year!

It feels like we're closer to the playoffs than we actually are. I don't want to play two more games. I want to get to the playoffs and play a team with a pulse.

[Cocky]

For me to think of JSU as an elite team, I'd expect them to be doing to teams what no other team or few other teams has/have done to them. Outside of Austin Peay, that hasn't really happened. They did what Mercer, Furman, WCU, and Tennessee Martin did to Chatty. They did what Kennesaw and Monmouth did to Liberty. They did what SEMO did to Tennessee Tech. Tennessee State and SEMO beat EKU the same way JSU did. Tennessee Martin did to Eastern Illinois what JSU did. And so on.

Central Arkansas on the other hand, is the only team to have beaten SHSU, and they did it by double digits. They beat a 2 loss McNeese by 30; McNeese's other loss was by 2. SELA has four losses by 10 or less points and then a fifth loss to UCA by 32 points.

There hasn't really been a game where I thought to myself, "wow, Jacksonville State looked really good." I've thought that three different times with Central Arkansas, a couple times with Elon, Southern Utah, and South Dakota State, among other teams.

You do realize UTM was the only one to play against UTCs original starting QB. The others played against Copeland.

Kennesaw St played Montana St as well as SDSU (who has two FCS losses) against Montana State. SUU loss to Sac St?

Some teams like to blow people out others like to play backups which makes it hard to judge teams by comparing scores. So far this season the only game we havent controlled from start to finish was the Ga Tech game. Are we the number 2 team in the nation? Who knows but not sure any other team is very deserving of the spot. You could very easily argue any of the following as number 2 NDSU, JSU, SDSU, UCA, Elon, SUU, Wofford and maybe a few more.

[MTfan4life]

You do realize UTM was the only one to play against UTCs original starting QB. The others played against Copeland.

Kennesaw St played Montana St as well as SDSU (who has two FCS losses) against Montana State. SUU loss to Sac St?

Some teams like to blow people out others like to play backups which makes it hard to judge teams by comparing scores. So far this season the only game we havent controlled from start to finish was the Ga Tech game. Are we the number 2 team in the nation? Who knows but not sure any other team is very deserving of the spot. You could very easily argue any of the following as number 2 NDSU, JSU, SDSU, UCA, Elon, SUU, Wofford and maybe a few more.

All I'm saying is it was pretty easy to look at Jacksonville State in 2015 and say they were an elite team. In 2016, I was pretty skeptical and those feelings were solidified in the playoffs. This season, I am even more skeptical than last year, but alas they keep winning those OVC games, so they keep rising in all the polls.

[BNATION]

What? At least het your facts straight.

Sorry misremembered it was Northern Iowa in 14'. And y'all almost spit the bit to a pitiful MSST team in 12' 21-17 if I remember with a late score. I'm just saying y'all have played some mediocre teams very close. Not that we have fared well against you guys so it's not really a argument of that. You guys don't lose much when it matters so not much to be ashamed of.


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[wcugrad95]

You do realize UTM was the only one to play against UTCs original starting QB. The others played against Copeland.


Incorrect. WCU played against UTC's actual starting QB (Bennifield) who was suspended for their first 4 games. We knocked him out and then Tiano came in (that is who started the first 4 games including JSU and UTM), and we also knocked him out. WCU was the only team to play any snaps against the guy who should have been Chatty's starting QB all year. Copeland lost his redshirt because they chose to bring him in after WCU beat UTC 45-7 - he did not come into the game against us, and another QB led them to their only score at the very end of the game.

[BNATION]

And if it wasn't cold? And if it was at SHSU instead? Bet you guys would have won by 14-20 too... Look, I'm not sure how much he was hurt but literally no one else helped him out either. The stud D-lineman and all that team speed looked awfully tame away from your friendly confines...

Defenses look horrible when you spot the team 21 points due to turnovers and special teams play in the first three possessions. Not to mention when they spend the whole game on the field against a team with punishing rushing attack, because your offense centered around one injured player and went three and out every drive after the first damn near. Cold weather was a non factor. Showed up flat and it can get ugly in a hurry with mistakes.

He was very hurt. Coaches have said in confidence there is no way he should have been on the field. If you watched any football all year you could see that. He literally could barely lift his arm.

Ask Nicholls about that this year. We could play them 10 more times and wouldn't beat them like that.


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[mvemjsunpx]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. Central Arkansas (3)
3. North Dakota St. (2)
4. Jacksonville St. (5)
5. Sam Houston St. (6)
6. Elon (9)
7. Stony Brook (8)
8. South Dakota St. (11)
9. Wofford (10)
10. Southern Utah (13)
11. Weber St. (14)
12. Delaware (16)
13. Samford (17)
14. Furman (18)
15. Western Illinois (20)
16. North Carolina A&T (19)
17. Northern Iowa (21)
18. Montana (22)
19. Northern Arizona (7)
20. South Dakota (4)
21. Eastern Washington (15)
22. Western Carolina (23)
23. Illinois St. (12)
24. Kennesaw St. (NR)
25. Richmond (24)

W - Northern Iowa
L - Illinois St.



Dropped - Austin Peay (25)

[Cocky]

Incorrect. WCU played against UTC's actual starting QB (Bennifield) who was suspended for their first 4 games. We knocked him out and then Tiano came in (that is who started the first 4 games including JSU and UTM), and we also knocked him out. WCU was the only team to play any snaps against the guy who should have been Chatty's starting QB all year. Copeland lost his redshirt because they chose to bring him in after WCU beat UTC 45-7 - he did not come into the game against us, and another QB led them to their only score at the very end of the game.

http://www.gomocs.com/boxscore.aspx?path=fb&id=10344

The Chattanooga site has the stats for the Mercer game linked to the WCU game.

Chattanooga was a different team with Tiano QBing. Which shows with beating a top 25 team in WCU.

[Bison56]

All I'm saying is it was pretty easy to look at Jacksonville State in 2015 and say they were an elite team. In 2016, I was pretty skeptical and those feelings were solidified in the playoffs. This season, I am even more skeptical than last year, but alas they keep winning those OVC games, so they keep rising in all the polls.

IMO if JSU was ranked between 15-20 at the start of the season they would most likely be up to maybe #10 tops right now.

[Cocky]

IMO if JSU was ranked between 15-20 at the start of the season they would most likely be up to maybe #10 tops right now.

Could probably replace JSU with several teams in that scenario. The issue this year is there’s no dominant team it appears several teams could get on a run and win a championship.

[Bison56]

Could probably replace JSU with several teams in that scenario. The issue this year is there’s no dominant team it appears several teams could get on a run and win a championship.

Yes I didn't mean it as just JSU, its the same for any team.

[Professor Chaos]

Could probably replace JSU with several teams in that scenario. The issue this year is there’s no dominant team it appears several teams could get on a run and win a championship.
That's honestly the case every year.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Could probably replace JSU with several teams in that scenario. The issue this year is there’s no dominant team it appears several teams could get on a run and win a championship.

I still think it will boil down to 2-3 teams with JMU and NDSU being the favorites. The playoffs are such a different animal and home field matters a ton. Generally, there's not much parity in FCS. There's usually 1-3 legit title threats, 3-4 teams that are fringe elite then after the top 6-8 teams there's a significant drop-off.

[wcugrad95]

http://www.gomocs.com/boxscore.aspx?path=fb&id=10344

The Chattanooga site has the stats for the Mercer game linked to the WCU game.

Chattanooga was a different team with Tiano QBing. Which shows with beating a top 25 team in WCU.

I'm not sure what this is trying to say??? And WCU beat UTC 45-7. Bennifield is their best QB, and he started the game against us (and didn't play at all in the JSU game due to suspension). Then he got knocked out and Tiano played most of the game against us, going 11-23 for 88 yards and taking 4 sacks. Neither of those quarterbacks got the Mocs anywhere close to scoring.

Here are the game stats from that contest: http://www.catamountsports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2017-2018/wcu0930.html

We also played this game without Detrez Newsome, who had something like 275 yards against UTC last season.

[URMite]

I still think it will boil down to 2-3 teams with JMU and NDSU being the favorites. The playoffs are such a different animal and home field matters a ton. Generally, there's not much parity in FCS. There's usually 1-3 legit title threats, 3-4 teams that are fringe elite then after the top 6-8 teams there's a significant drop-off.
What are the chances that both JMU & NDSU will be even or odd?

[caribbeanhen]

After the ****show GFCC pulled on NDSU and the State of North Dakota, you have got to be kidding me.

Gulf of Florida community college ? Are you playing them next year

[TheKingpin28]

Gulf of Florida community college ? Are you playing them next year

2019

[Cocky]

I'm not sure what this is trying to say??? And WCU beat UTC 45-7. Bennifield is their best QB, and he started the game against us (and didn't play at all in the JSU game due to suspension). Then he got knocked out and Tiano played most of the game against us, going 11-23 for 88 yards and taking 4 sacks. Neither of those quarterbacks got the Mocs anywhere close to scoring.

Here are the game stats from that contest: http://www.catamountsports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2017-2018/wcu0930.html

We also played this game without Detrez Newsome, who had something like 275 yards against UTC last season.


Some misplaced information, I didn't notice until your post.

[cx500d]

Gulf of Florida community college ? Are you playing them next year


Grand Forks Community College... This is the place downstream from the Fargo sewer plant.

[POD Knows]

This is the Bible and if you don't like it, you can suck my balls.

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/5/2017 15:19:20

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Furman Paladins
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Montana Grizzlies

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[ST_Lawson]

What are the chances that both JMU & NDSU will be even or odd?

Not sure...it feels like the committee would put them 1 & 3 just to make them go against each other before the championship game, but if they're at all smart, they'd realize that a JMU vs NDSU championship game probably would give them just about the best ratings and ticket sales they could get from an FCS matchup.

[JSUSoutherner]

This is the Bible and if you don't like it, you can suck my balls.

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/5/2017 15:19:20

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Furman Paladins
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Montana Grizzlies

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

OMG WHY IS JSU SO HIGH THEY HAVENT PLAYED ANYONE THIS YEAR? WHY DO THEY GET SO MUCH RESPECT WHEN THEY ARE IN THE WRONG VALLEY!?!?! WHO HAVE THE BEATEN???? STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE??!?!, AAAARGHHHHGHJHHHHJISJWHSIHBEIXHE xdrunkyx

[Bison56]

OMG WHY IS JSU SO HIGH THEY HAVENT PLAYED ANYONE THIS YEAR? WHY DO THEY GET SO MUCH RESPECT WHEN THEY ARE IN THE WRONG VALLEY!?!?! WHO HAVE THE BEATEN???? STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE??!?!, AAAARGHHHHGHJHHHHJISJWHSIHBEIXHE xdrunkyx

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAmTAAAAJDI4YzBmZjEyLWQ1M2YtNGJhNy1hZj RhLWI0MzVkMzQ0MzU1Mw.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwif78iB_a7XAhWmg1QKHQh7DhkQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpulse%2Fhow-nail-first-30-days-new-job-jan-johnston-osburn&psig=AOvVaw0MzPoMfRy2xZpuWBNiGzvw&ust=1510230454641905)

[UNIFanSince1983]

I honestly don't get how people can have SHSU so high, but not have UCA ranked 1 or 2. They only lost to KSU. Have a win over a Top 6 ranked team. Sure the conference is weak, but they are throttling the teams on the schedule. Outside of a game against SFA they have won every game by double digits. Including a win over a good McNeese team by 30.

But I guess that is just my opinion and that is the beauty of the poll.

[DirtyDukes]

I honestly don't get how people can have SHSU so high, but not have UCA ranked 1 or 2. They only lost to KSU. Have a win over a Top 6 ranked team. Sure the conference is weak, but they are throttling the teams on the schedule. Outside of a game against SFA they have won every game by double digits. Including a win over a good McNeese team by 30.

But I guess that is just my opinion and that is the beauty of the poll.

I had JSU/UCA at #2/#2A and it was a coinflip to either side. You could make the same argument for JSU, no?

[UNIFanSince1983]

I had JSU/UCA at #2/#2A and it was a coinflip to either side. You could make the same argument for JSU, no?

You can, and they are killing the teams on their schedule as well. I just think that the SHSU win gives UCA the advantage. It is worlds better than anything on JSU's schedule to this point IMO.

[Professor Chaos]

I had JSU/UCA at #2/#2A and it was a coinflip to either side. You could make the same argument for JSU, no?
JSU doesn't have a win that comes close to UCA's win over SHSU. I'd say they don't have a win as good as McNeese either (although I'd concede that Austin Peay is arguable).

[JSUSoutherner]

Since JSU vs. UCA seems to be a common discussion here I decided to take the stats of each vs. Murray State (the only opponent they have in common so far) and compare them.



Stats
Team A
Murray (vs. A)
Team B
Murray (vs. B)


First Downs
24
13
20
18


Total Rushing
323
-3
200
44


Attempts
45
28
43
28


Yards Per Rush
7.2
-0.1
4.7
1.6


Rushing TDs
5
0
2
0


Total Passing
161
156
286
232


Comp-Att-Int
16-25-2
16-46-1
19-25-1
24-39-1


Avg. / Comp
10.1
9.8
15.1
9.7


Passing TDs
3
2
3
1


Total Offense
484
153
486
276


Avg. / Play
6.0
2.1
7.1
4.1


Fumbles - Lost
3-2
3-1
1-0
1-1


Penalties - Yds.
3-30
7-65
8-95
5-45


Poss. Time
31:02
28:58
30:51
29:09


3rd Down Conv.
9 of 17
1 of 17
7 of 13
4 of 15


4th Down Conv.
0 of 0
1 of 1
0 of 1
2 of 3


Red Zone
7 of 7
1 of 1
6 of 6
0 of 1


Sacks - Yds.
4-28
2-9
4-28
0-0


TFL - Yds.
13-58
5-20
7-36
1-2


QBH
16
2
3
0

[caribbeanhen]

Grand Forks Community College... This is the place downstream from the Fargo sewer plant.

shouldn't be that much of a problem all people from Fargo say their **** dont stink

[dustinthorn93]

If I voted I had..

1. James Madison Dukes
2t. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
2. Central Arkansas Bears
4. North Dakota State Bison
5. Sam Houston State Bearkats
6. South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7. Elon Phoenix
8. Southern Utah Thunderbirds
9. Wofford Terriers
10. Stony Brook Seawolves
11. South Dakota Coyotes
12. Western Illinois Leathernecks
13. North Carolina A&T Aggies
14. Northern Iowa Panthers
15. Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16. Weber State Wildcats
17. Furman Paladins
18. Western Carolina Catamounts
19. Samford Bulldogs
20. Kennesaw State Owls
21. Illinois State Redbirds
22. Grambling State Tigers
23. Montana Grizzlies
24. Monmouth Hawks
25. New Hampshire Wildcats

I tried.

[BEAR]

Since JSU vs. UCA seems to be a common discussion here I decided to take the stats of each vs. Murray State (the only opponent they have in common so far) and compare them.



Stats
Team A
Murray (vs. A)
Team B
Murray (vs. B)


First Downs
24
13
20
18


Total Rushing
323
-3
200
44


Attempts
45
28
43
28


Yards Per Rush
7.2
-0.1
4.7
1.6


Rushing TDs
5
0
2
0


Total Passing
161
156
286
232


Comp-Att-Int
16-25-2
16-46-1
19-25-1
24-39-1


Avg. / Comp
10.1
9.8
15.1
9.7


Passing TDs
3
2
3
1


Total Offense
484
153
486
276


Avg. / Play
6.0
2.1
7.1
4.1


Fumbles - Lost
3-2
3-1
1-0
1-1


Penalties - Yds.
3-30
7-65
8-95
5-45


Poss. Time
31:02
28:58
30:51
29:09


3rd Down Conv.
9 of 17
1 of 17
7 of 13
4 of 15


4th Down Conv.
0 of 0
1 of 1
0 of 1
2 of 3


Red Zone
7 of 7
1 of 1
6 of 6
0 of 1


Sacks - Yds.
4-28
2-9
4-28
0-0


TFL - Yds.
13-58
5-20
7-36
1-2


QBH
16
2
3
0




Interesting stats.

Team A was up by 2 TDs at half. 14
Team B was up by nearly 4 TDs at half. 25

Interesting timing?
Team A: Murray State game was 9th game of the year.
Team B: Murray State game was 2nd game of the year.

Team A: Just finished a close game with SEMO. It was 13-7 going into the 4th quarter.
Team B: Just finished a tough game with ranked FBS team. Earned a paycheck. xlolx

Team A: Got more yards rushing.
Team B: Got more yards passing.

Both teams likely played backups in the fourth quarter. But I think a team that has had 8 games to get established in the season would likely do better against a beatable team than one that had just come off an FBS game and it was only the second game of the year for that team.

[JSUSoutherner]

Interesting stats.

Team A was up by 2 TDs at half. 14
Team B was up by nearly 4 TDs at half. 25

Interesting timing?
Team A: Murray State game was 9th game of the year.
Team B: Murray State game was 2nd game of the year.

Team A: Just finished a close game with SEMO. It was 13-7 going into the 4th quarter.
Team B: Just finished a tough game with ranked FBS team. Earned a paycheck. xlolx

Team A: Got more yards rushing.
Team B: Got more yards passing.

Both teams likely played backups in the fourth quarter. But I think a team that has had 8 games to get established in the season would likely do better against a beatable team than one that had just come off an FBS game and it was only the second game of the year for that team.

A was closer at halftime than team B. Turning the ball over 4 times in the first half tends to have that effect.


Dat A defense doe.

[Bison56]

McNeese is FBS? That's news.

A was closer at halftime than team B. Turning the ball over 4 times in the first half tends to have that effect.


Dat A defense doe.

Impressive against the powerhouse that Murray State is.:D

[JSUSoutherner]

Impressive against the powerhouse that Murray State is.:D
I mean it's been doing it all year. We're still statically the 3rd best defense GT has played behind Miami and Clemson.

Tech's rushing output vs. Miami was similar to their output vs JSU.

[UNIFanSince1983]

There really isn't a comparison if you are looking at resume. I suppose if you strictly using an eye test maybe you could give JSU an advantage, maybe. They have looked very impressive dominating all the ****ty teams on their schedule. Their defense appears to be pretty good.

In my personal opinion they are very close. They are both very good teams. However, to this point in the season UCA has proven it just slightly more with the SHSU win. You can disagree, but you can't blindly look at a resume and tell me JSU deserves it over UCA right now.

[POD Knows]

OMG WHY IS JSU SO HIGH THEY HAVENT PLAYED ANYONE THIS YEAR? WHY DO THEY GET SO MUCH RESPECT WHEN THEY ARE IN THE WRONG VALLEY!?!?! WHO HAVE THE BEATEN???? STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE??!?!, AAAARGHHHHGHJHHHHJISJWHSIHBEIXHE xdrunkyxIf both NDSU and SDSU win this weekend, you will be in the back of my top 10, I don't give a **** what kind of beating you put on some useless OVC team. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[JSUSoutherner]

There really isn't a comparison if you are looking at resume. I suppose if you strictly using an eye test maybe you could give JSU an advantage, maybe. They have looked very impressive dominating all the ****ty teams on their schedule. Their defense appears to be pretty good.

In my personal opinion they are very close. They are both very good teams. However, to this point in the season UCA has proven it just slightly more with the SHSU win. You can disagree, but you can't blindly look at a resume and tell me JSU deserves it over UCA right now.

I agree with this to a point. On my last ballot I pretty much went off the eye test. I've seen most of the top 25 in action this season. If our two losses to the Valley have showed me anything it's that the two most important factors for winning and making a deep run outside of being a physical team is being able to run the ball and being able to stop the run.

We've seen in the past teams like Sam Houston State and Samford that have high flying air assaults and mediocre defense get blasted by teams that can do those two things I mentioned above. JSU's 2015 got stumped by a team that just physically overpowered them.

When it comes to comparing JSU and UCA, for me, I give JSU the edge because of the defense and the running game. This probably the most physical of the last 4 JSU teams we've seen IMO it's defintely the biggest we've been on both sides of the ball (If we were a Valley team we would have the second largest OL in the conference). We've been able to grind out games and wear teams down even without the flashy fireworks and 70 yards TD plays that the 2015 offense thrived on. The defense has pretty much shut down every rushing attack except Georgia Tech and we did about as well at slowing them down as Miami did.

UCA is more balanced than JSU with Hildebrand at QB and they are a better passing team. Their wins over McNeese and Sammy are also better than what JSU has on the record. But watching them I don't know that if you line them up across from JSU that they will win in the trenches. That's why I have JSU over UCA. And that logic is the reason I didn't move UCA or JSU over NDSU in my poll this week.

[UNIFanSince1983]

I agree with this to a point. On my last ballot I pretty much went off the eye test. I've seen most of the top 25 in action this season. If our two losses to the Valley have showed me anything it's that the two most important factors for winning and making a deep run outside of being a physical team is being able to run the ball and being able to stop the run.

We've seen in the past teams like Sam Houston State and Samford that have high flying air assaults and mediocre defense get blasted by teams that can do those two things I mentioned above. JSU's 2015 got stumped by a team that just physically overpowered them.

When it comes to comparing JSU and UCA, for me, I give JSU the edge because of the defense and the running game. This probably the most physical of the last 4 JSU teams we've seen IMO it's defintely the biggest we've been on both sides of the ball (If we were a Valley team we would have the second largest OL in the conference). We've been able to grind out games and wear teams down even without the flashy fireworks and 70 yards TD plays that the 2015 offense thrived on. The defense has pretty much shut down every rushing attack except Georgia Tech and we did about as well at slowing them down as Miami did.

UCA is more balanced than JSU with Hildebrand at QB and they are a better passing team. Their wins over McNeese and Sammy are also better than what JSU has on the record. But watching them I don't know that if you line them up across from JSU that they will win in the trenches. That's why I have JSU over UCA. And that logic is the reason I didn't move UCA or JSU over NDSU in my poll this week.

That is completely fair and reasonable.

[BEAR]

Very good points. UCAs oline has allowed 6 sacks while the UCA defense has gotten 33 sacks. I'd have to look up TFL also but Hildebrand has stayed clean. I also notice that coach rotates players on both sides of the ball nearly every play. That's why we have multiple players with good stats instead of one dominant player with sick stats. Every coach does it different I guess. Plus watching one game may not give a good feel for a team's talent. I don't expect coach to play starters for too long against IUW or ACU.

Edit: UCA defense has gotten 80 TFL so far.

[JSUSoutherner]

Very good points. UCAs oline has allowed 6 sacks while the UCA defense has gotten 33 sacks. I'd have to look up TFL also but Hildebrand has stayed clean. I also notice that coach rotates players on both sides of the ball nearly every play. That's why we have multiple players with good stats instead of one dominant player with sick stats. Every coach does it different I guess. Plus watching one game may not give a good feel for a team's talent. I don't expect coach to play starters for too long against IUW or ACU.

Edit: UCA defense has gotten 80 TFL so far.

That's pretty much how we roll. We have about 11 guys we rotate on the defensive line. We also have depth on the OL and even have a package with 9 OL and our FB for Roc to run behind. It's fun and keeps everyone involved.

#TheTonOfFun

[Kemo]

I agree with this to a point. On my last ballot I pretty much went off the eye test. I've seen most of the top 25 in action this season. If our two losses to the Valley have showed me anything it's that the two most important factors for winning and making a deep run outside of being a physical team is being able to run the ball and being able to stop the run.

We've seen in the past teams like Sam Houston State and Samford that have high flying air assaults and mediocre defense get blasted by teams that can do those two things I mentioned above. JSU's 2015 got stumped by a team that just physically overpowered them.

When it comes to comparing JSU and UCA, for me, I give JSU the edge because of the defense and the running game. This probably the most physical of the last 4 JSU teams we've seen IMO it's defintely the biggest we've been on both sides of the ball (If we were a Valley team we would have the second largest OL in the conference). We've been able to grind out games and wear teams down even without the flashy fireworks and 70 yards TD plays that the 2015 offense thrived on. The defense has pretty much shut down every rushing attack except Georgia Tech and we did about as well at slowing them down as Miami did.

UCA is more balanced than JSU with Hildebrand at QB and they are a better passing team. Their wins over McNeese and Sammy are also better than what JSU has on the record. But watching them I don't know that if you line them up across from JSU that they will win in the trenches. That's why I have JSU over UCA. And that logic is the reason I didn't move UCA or JSU over NDSU in my poll this week.

It's too bad that JSU doesn't get to test their mettle until they reach the postseason because they play in the OVC. The Gamecocks seem to have the athletes to compete in the trenches with MVFC teams, but dominating lesser opponents just isn't good preparation for the challenges that await in the playoffs.

Case in point: SDSU didn't have much issue in their OOC besides the 2nd half against MT State even though they weren't playing that well, but then as soon as they got into MVFC play they got physically beat down by YSU (particularly on the defensive side of the ball). The Jackrabbits were then forced to toughen up and get more disciplined or they'd be in jeopardy of not making the playoffs. They defense has steadily improved since then along with the running game (with a few bumps here and there) and they are now at a level that will at least allow them to hold their own against physical teams. Had SDSU played NDSU in week 5 instead of week 10 the Jacks would have likely been thoroughly whooped, but they were challenged earlier and rose their overall level of play because of it.

[JSUSoutherner]

It's too bad that JSU doesn't get to test their mettle until they reach the postseason because they play in the OVC. The Gamecocks seem to have the athletes to compete in the trenches with MVFC teams, but dominating lesser opponents just isn't good preparation for the challenges that await in the playoffs.

Case in point: SDSU didn't have much issue in their OOC besides the 2nd half against MT State even though they weren't playing that well, but then as soon as they got into MVFC play they got physically beat down by YSU (particularly on the defensive side of the ball). The Jackrabbits were then forced to toughen up and get more disciplined or they'd be in jeopardy of not making the playoffs. They defense has steadily improved since then along with the running game (with a few bumps here and there) and they are now at a level that will at least allow them to hold their own against physical teams. Had SDSU played NDSU in week 5 instead of week 10 the Jacks would have likely been thoroughly whooped, but they were challenged earlier and rose their overall level of play because of it.
That's why I'm really hoping we draw a team like WIU, UNI, or ISUr in the second round. Not quite the full cut of beef that NDSU is but if we can get past them it will help out a ton to get into the groove of playing teams with good fronts.

Given the amount of seniors and juniors we have in the trenches on both sides of the ball I'm hoping when we do get a matchup like that we won't get shellshocked. Hopefully since we've been on the receiving end of a beatdown we will know what we are in for heading into a matchup.

[ST_Lawson]

Case in point: SDSU didn't have much issue in their OOC besides the 2nd half against MT State even though they weren't playing that well, but then as soon as they got into MVFC play they got physically beat down by YSU (particularly on the defensive side of the ball).

Another example: The only test WIU has had in OOC in the last two years was the close win over FBS Northern Illinois...every other game was a 2-score margin (14 points over NAU last year) or better including the game against "FBS" Coastal Carolina...so that's 6-0 against two FBS teams and 4 full-scholarship FCS teams...with only one being a home game.
If we finish out the season like we should, winning the last two games, we'll have gone an even 8-8 in the MVFC in that same timeframe.