AGS Poll Results - Week 8 - 10/23/2017

[AGSPoll]

AGS Poll Results - Week 8 - 10/23/2017



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
James Madison Dukes
1920
72
1


2
North Dakota State Bison
1851
5
2


3
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1749

4


4
Central Arkansas Bears
1638

6


5
South Dakota Coyotes
1452

3


6
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1437

10


7
Elon Phoenix
1310

11


8
Western Illinois Leathernecks
1304

7


9
Wofford Terriers
1237

5


10
Samford Bulldogs
1096

17


11
Western Carolina Catamounts
922

14


12
North Carolina A&T Aggies
868

13


13
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
865

20


14T
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
863

18


14T
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
863

15


16
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
645

25


17
Eastern Washington Eagles
636

8


18
Villanova Wildcats
617

16


19
Stony Brook Seawolves
569

19


20
Illinois State Redbirds
455

27


21
McNeese State Cowboys
429

21


22
Northern Iowa Panthers
415

28


23
Youngstown State Penguins
362

9


24
Richmond Spiders
347

12


25
Weber State Wildcats
340

23

















ORV:





26
Montana Grizzlies
322

22


27
New Hampshire Wildcats
259

24


28
Monmouth Hawks
69

31


29
Grambling State Tigers
53

30


30
Furman Paladins
48

33


31
Nicholls State Colonels
22

32


32
Southern Illinois Salukis
15

NR


33
Columbia Lions
14

39


34T
Austin Peay Governors
8

38


34T
Sacramento State Hornets
8

NR


36
North Carolina Central Eagles
6

34


37
Maine Black Bears
4

NR


38T
Kennesaw State Owls
3

35


38T
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
3

NR


40
The Citadel Bulldogs
1

37










Most Significant Win:
Samford Bulldogs







Most Significant Loss:
Youngstown State Penguins




























Fell Out Of Poll:






Albany Great Danes






Dartmouth Big Green






Eastern Illinois Panthers






UC Davis Aggies

[BisonBacker]

Hello Bisonbacker,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2017 13:08:37

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Elon Phoenix
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Western Carolina Catamounts
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Bisonbacker

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes

[Reign of Terrier]

Before anyone says "ugh why is Samford not ahead of Wofford" I must remind you

1) I agree
and
2) this is an average of everyone's votes

9/10/11 for Wofford/Samford/Western is good.

Furman not being ranked is a travesty, but if they win this week they definitely will be

[WileECoyote06]

Oh my God! A&T went up one spot! xshakingmadx

[RootinFerDukes]

Damn if JMU loses to an unranked team, I hope we only fall two spots...

wow a harsh week to be on a bye too. almost all of them were screwed.

[JSUSoutherner]

40
The Citadel Bulldogs
1

37




I see you Citdog. :D

[Professor Chaos]

The Wedge blog post on the poll this week: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-top-25-week-8-results-2/

Some thoughts:


#12 NC A&T and #15 (which NAU and SDSU were essentially tied for) only separated by 5 points. Every vote counts!
Richmond really took a tumble dropping 12 spots for losing in double OT on the road to #13 Delware.
It was odd to see Montana (who were on bye) and UNH (who stomped Towson) drop out but if you look at the point totals there was obviously a lot of competition for those last few spots. 322 and 259 points would've easily gotten either of those teams into the top 25 in any previous poll to date this year.

[Professor Chaos]

Damn if JMU loses to an unranked team, I hope we only fall two spots...

wow a harsh week to be on a bye too. almost all of them were screwed.
I highly doubt JMU drops any more than 1 spot with a loss to anyone. JMU, NDSU, and USD were head and shoulders above everyone else last week IMO. USD just fell back to the pack.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I felt blind and dumb....

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Central Arkansas Bears
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Elon Phoenix
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
23: Columbia Lions
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Monmouth Hawks

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[The Cats]

I guess the Western Carolina win over Samford doesn't mean much to the AGS voters either......?

[FargoBison]

Oh my God! A&T went up one spot! xshakingmadx

They really should be dropped about 8 spots but at least this poll didn't put them in the top 10.

[BisonBacker]

I guess the Western Carolina win over Samford doesn't mean much to the AGS voters either......?

You moved up 3 spots in the poll from last week. What were you expecting?

[Reign of Terrier]

I guess the Western Carolina win over Samford doesn't mean much to the AGS voters either......?

It's an average, and Wofford/Samford/Western are 9/10/11. Considering they all beat each other there's not much to say but the shrug emoji

[Professor Chaos]

Hello Bisonbacker,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2017 13:08:37

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Elon Phoenix
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Western Carolina Catamounts
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Bisonbacker

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
McNeese at #10? How do you figure?

[The Cats]

Before anyone says "ugh why is Samford not ahead of Wofford" I must remind you

1) I agree
and
2) this is an average of everyone's votes

9/10/11 for Wofford/Samford/Western is good.

You've been drinking way too much of that b&g kool-aid

[JSUSoutherner]

I guess the Western Carolina win over Samford doesn't mean much to the AGS voters either......?
I have you guys at 8. Right behind Wofford and a couple ahead of Samford.

[The Cats]

You moved up 3 spots in the poll from last week. What were you expecting?

not much, just to be ranked above a team you've already beaten.... is that too much to ask?

[BigHouseClosedEnd]

There is far too much overreaction in this poll based on the weekly results. Drop Richmond 12 spots off a 2OT road loss to a ranked team? Move Elon up 4 spots to #7 just because they beat Rhody by 1 point. Does anyone really think Elon is anywhere close to #7 in the country?

[Daytripper]

Damn if JMU loses to an unranked team, I hope we only fall two spots...

wow a harsh week to be on a bye too. almost all of them were screwed.

Agree. Seems voters were gentle on USD after that beat down. But there is no MVFC bias, ya know.... Would JMU or, god forbid Sam Houston, get the same benefit of the doubt?

[PantherRob82]

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2017 7:22:30

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Western Carolina Catamounts
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Richmond Spiders
16: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: New Hampshire Wildcats
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Weber State Wildcats
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Furman Paladins

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

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[Professor Chaos]

Here's what I got:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Elon Phoenix
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Western Carolina Catamounts
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Furman Paladins

[dbackjon]

Hello Bisonbacker,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2017 13:08:37

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Elon Phoenix
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Western Carolina Catamounts
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Bisonbacker

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes


NAU 25th? really? They killed your #20 team

No Southern Utah? They beat your #13 and #14 teams.


Not sure why Ursus would let this type of joke poll to count.

[PantherRob82]

I guess the Western Carolina win over Samford doesn't mean much to the AGS voters either......?

That game was weeks ago and it’s one spot. Geez.

[BisonFan02]

Here's the story:

NDSU -
#22 - UNI
@ #14 - SDSU
#5 - USD
@ #20 - ISUr

JMU -
#27 - UNH
@ Unranked - URI
#24 - Richmond
@ #7 - Elon

Toughest team left on JMU's schedule is........Elon?

[WestCoastAggie]

Oh my God! A&T went up one spot! xshakingmadx

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/151/933/b94.jpg

[FargoBison]

Agree. Seems voters were gentle on USD after that beat down. But there is no MVFC bias, ya know.... Would JMU or, god forbid Sam Houston, get the same benefit of the doubt?

They picked the right weekend to lose, with so many other top 10 teams losing.

[PantherRob82]

There is far too much overreaction in this poll based on the weekly results. Drop Richmond 12 spots off a 2OT road loss to a ranked team? Move Elon up 4 spots to #7 just because they beat Rhody by 1 point. Does anyone really think Elon is anywhere close to #7 in the country?

No. I dropped Elon.

[BisonBacker]

McNeese at #10? How do you figure?

They've got one loss on their resume to Nicholl's who I had in my top 25 (last week at 17 but mistakenly missed on my submission this week. They have piss pounded the teams they are supposed to beat at home and on the road.

[BisonFan02]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Western Illinois Leathernecks
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Weber State Wildcats

BisonFan02

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: Wofford Terriers

[Bison56]

There is far too much overreaction in this poll based on the weekly results. Drop Richmond 12 spots off a 2OT road loss to a ranked team? Move Elon up 4 spots to #7 just because they beat Rhody by 1 point. Does anyone really think Elon is anywhere close to #7 in the country?

I don't, I think it's laughable that they are in the top 10

[BisonBacker]

NAU 25th? really? They killed your #20 team

No Southern Utah? They beat your #13 and #14 teams.


Not sure why Ursus would let this type of joke poll to count.

Cry me a river.

[PantherRob82]

Agree. Seems voters were gentle on USD after that beat down. But there is no MVFC bias, ya know.... Would JMU or, god forbid Sam Houston, get the same benefit of the doubt?

Well it doesn’t help that everyone else lost. You either assume they all had hiccups or you put NCAT and Elon in the Top 5. xlolx

[Professor Chaos]

Agree. Seems voters were gentle on USD after that beat down. But there is no MVFC bias, ya know.... Would JMU or, god forbid Sam Houston, get the same benefit of the doubt?
Good lord. SHSU is ranked #6 and their best win is against #24 in this poll. USD has an FBS win and wins over #8 and #23 in this poll. JMU, USD, and SHSU are right where they should be IMO.

[Daytripper]

Hello Bisonbacker,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2017 13:08:37

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Elon Phoenix
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Western Carolina Catamounts
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Bisonbacker

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes

Your omission of Southern Utah borders on criminal.

[Bison56]

Agree. Seems voters were gentle on USD after that beat down. But there is no MVFC bias, ya know.... Would JMU or, god forbid Sam Houston, get the same benefit of the doubt?

JMU would but not Sammy.

[The Cats]

That game was weeks ago and it’s one spot. Geez.

Geez.....so a game played weeks ago doesn't count? Doesn't matter if it's one sport or five.

[dbackjon]

Cry me a river.


Again, it is a joke that you are a voter in a poll.

[centennial]

Agree. Seems voters were gentle on USD after that beat down. But there is no MVFC bias, ya know.... Would JMU or, god forbid Sam Houston, get the same benefit of the doubt?

No but look at Massey, Sagarin. MVFC teams are way above mostly everyone. Fighting in a G5 level league shouldn't drop you as much as losing to bad teams. UNI IMO is much better team now vs start of the season.

Also crap I forgot to vote again. Fell asleep while voting and got up late in the morning so had to run to work. :(

[Professor Chaos]

[5: Villanova Wildcats
xconfusedx

Impressed with their win over Maine or something?

[Grizalltheway]

Damn if JMU loses to an unranked team, I hope we only fall two spots...

wow a harsh week to be on a bye too. almost all of them were screwed.
I'm not too worked up about it. The Griz have chances to prove it on the field the next two weeks and the ranking will (presumably) follow if they do.

[Southern Bison]

Agree. Seems voters were gentle on USD after that beat down. But there is no MVFC bias, ya know.... Would JMU or, god forbid Sam Houston, get the same benefit of the doubt?

Name more than 6 teams that USD wouldn't likely beat...

I could name 15 teams that SHSU would likely lose to.

[BisonBacker]

Your omission of Southern Utah borders on criminal.

I'd of put Nicholl's in which I omitted by mistake before I put in SUU. They got piss pounded by a Sac State team that is suspect at 4-3

[BisonBacker]

Again, it is a joke that you are a voter in a poll.

JFC do you whine like a bitch all the time? Oh forget it I know the answer already.

[Professor Chaos]

They've got one loss on their resume to Nicholl's who I had in my top 25 (last week at 17 but mistakenly missed on my submission this week. They have piss pounded the teams they are supposed to beat at home and on the road.
The only two wins of theirs that could be classified as piss poundings are Incarnate Word and Stephen F Austin. I don't think that should give them enough clout to crack the top 10.

[BisonBacker]

Again, it is a joke that you are a voter in a poll.
Lord forbid my ranking and the polls is 11 spots off tied for 14th vs. 25th xlolx

[KPSUL]

There is far too much overreaction in this poll based on the weekly results. Drop Richmond 12 spots off a 2OT road loss to a ranked team? Move Elon up 4 spots to #7 just because they beat Rhody by 1 point. Does anyone really think Elon is anywhere close to #7 in the country?

Anyone who voted Elon as a top 8 team want to bet on the outcome of their game @ now AGS unranked New Hampshire on Nov 11th?

[Daytripper]

Name more than 6 teams that USD wouldn't likely beat...

I could name 15 teams that SHSU would likely lose to.

...would likely....wouldn't likely..... That is why they play the games. As we saw this week, likelihoods of victory mean nothing once the ball is kicked.

[BisonFan02]

Anyone who voted Elon as a top 8 team want to bet on the outcome of their game @ now AGS unranked New Hampshire on Nov 11th?

Nope. xlolx

[Missingnumber7]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: North Carolina A&T Aggies
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Sacramento State Hornets
25: Youngstown State Penguins

missingnumber7

The Most Significant Win: Wofford Terriers
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

First vote since the stroke

[BisonBacker]

The only two wins of theirs that could be classified as piss poundings are Incarnate Word and Stephen F Austin. I don't that should give them enough clout to crack the top 10.

What's the saying you can only play who's on your schedule. Yes they have played some less than stellar competition but as has already been thrown out in another thread by Clenz he's not fond of our OOC schedule either. They play Central Arkansas this next week and that should determine if they are for real or not.

[thebootfitter]

not much, just to be ranked above a team you've already beaten.... is that too much to ask?Sometimes it just can't work out that way when you have team A beating team B who beat team C who beat team A. Not sure if that's your situation, but the further we get into the season, the less you can apply direct head to head in a vacuum.

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[World]

40
The Citadel Bulldogs
1

37




I see you Citdog. :D


ha!

Wouldn't be surprised

[BisonFan02]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: North Carolina A&T Aggies
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Sacramento State Hornets
25: Youngstown State Penguins

missingnumber7

The Most Significant Win: Wofford Terriers
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

First vote since the stroke

There's only 5 teams in the FCS better than NC A&T? Its time for NDSU to leave if that is the case.

[Daytripper]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: North Carolina A&T Aggies
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Sacramento State Hornets
25: Youngstown State Penguins

missingnumber7

The Most Significant Win: Wofford Terriers
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

First vote since the stroke

It is my recollection that Wofford lost.

[Bison56]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: North Carolina A&T Aggies
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Sacramento State Hornets
25: Youngstown State Penguins

missingnumber7

The Most Significant Win: Wofford Terriers
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

First vote since the stroke

xdrunkyx

[Professor Chaos]

Sometimes it just can't work out that way when you have team A beating team B who beat team C who beat team A. Not sure if that's your situation, but the further we get into the season, the less you can apply direct head to head in a vacuum.

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That's exactly how it has worked at the top of the SOCON. Wofford beat WCU, WCU beat Samford, and Samford beat Wofford.

[JSUSoutherner]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Western Illinois Leathernecks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Western Carolina Catamounts
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Weber State Wildcats
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Youngstown State Penguins

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

xcoffeex

[POD Knows]

Well, I feel better now after looking at some of these other polls but feel free to rip accordingly.

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2017 15:41:44

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Western Illinois Leathernecks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Illinois State Redbirds

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[BisonFan02]

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Week 8 Result
Total Points
First Place Votes
Overall Record
Conference Record
FCS Coaches Poll (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/fcs-coaches-poll?sf11714920=1)
Sagarin Ranking

Massey Ranking

Strength of Schedule

vs. AGS Top 25

FBS Record
Division 1 Wins
Streak
Home vs FCS
Away vs FCS
Neutral vs FCS
PF vs FCS
PA vs FCS


#1
James Madison Dukes
Won at William & Mary Tribe 46-14 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400950973)
1912
67
7-0
4-0
1
54
2

23

1-0

1-0
7
W7
5-0
1-0
0-0
251
66


#2
North Dakota State Bison
Won vs #7 Western Illinois Leathernecks 24-12 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400951072)
1841
4
7-0
4-0
2
41
1

22

3-0

0-0
7
W7
4-0
3-0
0-0
309
67




The SOS will continue to widen....its only a matter of time if both teams keep winning.

[thebootfitter]

...would likely....wouldn't likely..... That is why they play the games. As we saw this week, likelihoods of victory mean nothing once the ball is kicked.Fair. But when you are voting in the poll, you are essentially giving a prediction of who you think would beat who on a neutral field, are you not? The poll itself is typically based upon past performance on the field, including overall W/L record and strength of schedule, along with some element of eye test and maybe a bit of objective rating system thrown in for a check/balance. All of those things are based on the past with the intent to predict the future.

The future you predict may not play out the way you predict it, but if you're not at least considering the hypothetical match ups when looking at your poll, then I think it is worth a little extra scrutiny.

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[The Yo Show]

Hello The Yo Show,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/23/2017 9:55:24

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Elon Phoenix
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Weber State Wildcats

The Yo Show

The Most Significant Win: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[clenz]

There's only 5 teams in the FCS better than NC A&T? Its time for NDSU to leave if that is the case.

There are, at least, 5 teams in the MVFC, CAA, Big Sky and SoCon that would beat NCAT.

But records. Rank on records.

[PantherRob82]

Geez.....so a game played weeks ago doesn't count? Doesn't matter if it's one sport or five.

Their win over Wofford now is more impressive than your win over them weeks ago.

- - - Updated - - -


Geez.....so a game played weeks ago doesn't count? Doesn't matter if it's one sport or five.

Their win over Wofford now is more impressive than your win over them weeks ago.

[dbackjon]

I'd of put Nicholl's in which I omitted by mistake before I put in SUU. They got piss pounded by a Sac State team that is suspect at 4-3

They also beat UNI, Weber and EWU

[thebootfitter]

There's only 5 teams in the FCS better than NC A&T? Its time for NDSU to leave if that is the case.Ha ha ha ha! I tend to agree with you on that one! Though I also wouldn't be surprised if NC A&T snuck up on someone and won a playoff game this year. It is really shaping up to be a strange one with lots of parity in that 5-ish to 35-ish range.

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[POD Knows]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: North Carolina A&T Aggies
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Western Illinois Leathernecks
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Sacramento State Hornets
25: Youngstown State Penguins

missingnumber7

The Most Significant Win: Wofford Terriers
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

First vote since the strokeSac State??

[ElonFirefighter]

There is far too much overreaction in this poll based on the weekly results. Drop Richmond 12 spots off a 2OT road loss to a ranked team? Move Elon up 4 spots to #7 just because they beat Rhody by 1 point. Does anyone really think Elon is anywhere close to #7 in the country?

So even though we lost our top running back have beaten multiple top 25 teams and have a history of playing to the competition. All but W&M FCS games are one score and all FCS down to the last drive. We all have slip ups NC A&T almost lost. When you look at us we are undefeated in FCS with a SOS of 12 (2 before RI) and 5 wins with Teams receiving votes. But to say far to much Overreaction and then overreact on Elon because they didnt win by enough. At the end of the day we have another W in the Win column

[Grizalltheway]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Western Illinois Leathernecks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Western Carolina Catamounts
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Weber State Wildcats
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Youngstown State Penguins

JSUSoutherner

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

xcoffeex

But I AM going to bitch about having a 3-4 team in over a 5-2 team whose only FCS loss was by 7 to your #19 team. xcoffeex

[dbackjon]

Well, I feel better now after looking at some of these other polls but feel free to rip accordingly.

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2017 15:41:44

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Western Illinois Leathernecks
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: Samford Bulldogs
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Illinois State Redbirds

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Only quibble would be that you have SUU behind three teams they beat.

[Professor Chaos]

Hello The Yo Show,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/23/2017 9:55:24

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Elon Phoenix
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: South Dakota Coyotes
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: McNeese State Cowboys
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Weber State Wildcats

The Yo Show

The Most Significant Win: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference
So Illinois St is #7 and Southern Illinois is unranked? That take is a long ways out in left field.

[kdinva]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Wofford Terriers
8: North Carolina A&T Aggies
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: Columbia Lions
25: Furman Paladins



The Most Significant Win: Samford Bulldogs
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders

[POD Knows]

Rank
Team
Week 8 Result
Total Points
First Place Votes
Overall Record
Conference Record
FCS Coaches Poll (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/fcs-coaches-poll?sf11714920=1)
Sagarin Ranking

Massey Ranking

Strength of Schedule

vs. AGS Top 25

FBS Record
Division 1 Wins
Streak
Home vs FCS
Away vs FCS
Neutral vs FCS
PF vs FCS
PA vs FCS


#1
James Madison Dukes
Won at William & Mary Tribe 46-14 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400950973)
1912
67
7-0
4-0
1
54
2

23
1-0

1-0
7
W7
5-0
1-0
0-0
251
66


#2
North Dakota State Bison
Won vs #7 Western Illinois Leathernecks 24-12 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400951072)
1841
4
7-0
4-0
2
41
1

22

3-0

0-0
7
W7
4-0
3-0
0-0
309
67




The SOS will continue to widen....its only a matter of time if both teams keep winning.If NDSU wins out with games against 4 current top 25 teams, there is no doubt in my mind that they should be #1. Actually, if they beat UNI this weekend, I might move them up.

[clenz]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Central Arkansas Bears
6: South Dakota Coyotes
7: Wofford Terriers
8: North Carolina A&T Aggies
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Elon Phoenix
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: Columbia Lions
25: Furman Paladins



The Most Significant Win: Samford Bulldogs
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders

USD ranked #6. God damn MVFC bias!!!!

[JSUSoutherner]

If NDSU wins out with games against 4 current top 25 teams, there is no doubt in my mind that they should be #1. Actually, if they beat UNI this weekend, I might move them up.
Agree. If NDSU sand JMU both run the table I'm giving NDSU the nod.

[FargoBison]

Ha ha ha ha! I tend to agree with you on that one! Though I also wouldn't be surprised if NC A&T snuck up on someone and won a playoff game this year. It is really shaping up to be a strange one with lots of parity in that 5-ish to 35-ish range.

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Doubt they'll be in the playoffs due to the Celebration Bowl.

[dbackjon]

If NDSU wins out with games against 4 current top 25 teams, there is no doubt in my mind that they should be #1. Actually, if they beat UNI this weekend, I might move them up.


Does it matter much? #1 or #2 still gets home field throughout the playoffs.

[BisonBacker]

They also beat UNI, Weber and EWU

I don't have UNI in my top 25. Webers one loss excluding SUU was to Cal (FBS). EWU was to FBS Texas Tech and #2 NDSU up to this last weekend. Yeah SUU can be a legit critique about not making it into my poll I'm fine with that. SUU has a prtty easy schedule the rest of the way until they play your lumberjacks and I'm looking forward to seeing the results of that game. The lumberjacks will have their opportunity to prove their ranking up or down in the last 3 weeks of the regular season.

[BisonFan02]

If NDSU wins out with games against 4 current top 25 teams, there is no doubt in my mind that they should be #1. Actually, if they beat UNI this weekend, I might move them up.

If they win with style points, yeah. Otherwise, it will probably be after the game in Brookings or against USD.

[BisonFan02]

Does it matter much? #1 or #2 still gets home field throughout the playoffs.

It really doesn't other than proving a point. xlolx

The top 2 seeding will come down to the other seeds and regional convenience.

[POD Knows]

Only quibble would be that you have SUU behind three teams they beat.I don't slot vote, I didn't have them in my poll last week, I had them in my 26/27 range, they had a real nice showing this weekend so I moved them up. This poll was pretty tough, there were 5 or 6 teams that lost to teams that were lower than them in the polls and I don't just have those teams switch places, I try to look at the whole year but I have a few teams ahead of other teams that they lost to, it is what it is.

[Daytripper]

Fair. But when you are voting in the poll, you are essentially giving a prediction of who you think would beat who on a neutral field, are you not? The poll itself is typically based upon past performance on the field, including overall W/L record and strength of schedule, along with some element of eye test and maybe a bit of objective rating system thrown in for a check/balance. All of those things are based on the past with the intent to predict the future.

The future you predict may not play out the way you predict it, but if you're not at least considering the hypothetical match ups when looking at your poll, then I think it is worth a little extra scrutiny.

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To an extent, yes. But I am looking more closely at who they have played and the results of those contests.

[POD Knows]

Does it matter much? #1 or #2 still gets home field throughout the playoffs.Probably not because the NCAA will manipulate the rest of the teams to get regional games anyway.

[BisonBacker]

I don't slot vote, I didn't have them in my poll last week, I had them in my 26/27 range, they had a real nice showing this weekend so I moved them up. This poll was pretty tough, there were 5 or 6 teams that lost to teams that were lower than them in the polls and I don't just have those teams switch places, I try to look at the whole year but I have a few teams ahead of other teams that they lost to, it is what it is.

This....besides the poll/vote is opinions and like armpits and assholes we all have them. For those who are critical I only have one thing to say. You also have an opportunity to vote if you choose. As long as you vote what you think honestly is how the top 25 should look then fine. Be able to debate but jumping down peoples throats all pissed off for a poll that is done by members of the board who like to watch and follow FCS and do it for nothing in return other than the enjoyment of FCS football is a little ridiculous.
Carry on.
xbeerchugx

[KPSUL]

This was the most schizophrenic mid season Poll I 've seen in my 3 seasons of voting. It was hard to place teams from like 5 to 12 and it was also difficult to decide the 2 or 3 teams you'd need to leave out. But there was so much variability with some teams with absolutely no Week 8 justification that we must have collectively thought we had really screwed up in Week 7.

[thebootfitter]

To an extent, yes. But I am looking more closely at who they have played and the results of those contests.That's my point. You are using that information to place them on a relative basis with other teams.

Based on what you look at, I don't think you'd place a team at 6 if you felt that the resume and performance on the field thus far was good enough to be better than the team you're placing at 8, right?

Or do you skip that part of the thought process? (Note: I'm not criticizing if you do. There's no right or wrong way to do it. But I do enjoy hearing about other folks' processes.)

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[POD Knows]

If they win with style points, yeah. Otherwise, it will probably be after the game in Brookings or against USD.
I would be absolutely shocked if we won out given the injury situation. We are a twisted ankle away on Stick to being a team that is battling for a playoff spot. We are going to have one RB this weekend. Who knows what is going to happen.

[BisonBacker]

Probably not because the NCAA will manipulate the rest of the teams to get regional games anyway.

Yeah that's been debated to death here before and I don't like it either but it is what it is.

[dbackjon]

I don't slot vote, I didn't have them in my poll last week, I had them in my 26/27 range, they had a real nice showing this weekend so I moved them up. This poll was pretty tough, there were 5 or 6 teams that lost to teams that were lower than them in the polls and I don't just have those teams switch places, I try to look at the whole year but I have a few teams ahead of other teams that they lost to, it is what it is.


So you are saying that unless you thought a team was good in the pre-season, they have a higher burden to get into your poll?

[jadmt]

I'm not too worked up about it. The Griz have chances to prove it on the field the next two weeks and the ranking will (presumably) follow if they do.

amen, in 3 weeks griz will be a top 8 seed.

[Professor Chaos]

amen, in 3 weeks griz will be a top 8 seed.
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With the highest ranked Big Sky team being tied for 14th in this poll right now there's a decent chance there's not a single seeded Big Sky team this year.

Also, Montana dropped out from #22 but they only lost 29 points (322 this week, 351 last week). That means on average they lost 0.4 points per poll ballot or that less than half the voters dropped them one spot and the rest kept them where they were. There was just a lot better competition in the #22-#25 range this week than there was last week.

[WestCoastAggie]

There are, at least, 5 teams in the MVFC, CAA, Big Sky and SoCon that would beat NCAT.

But records. Rank on records.

xdrunkyx

[Daytripper]

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With the highest ranked Big Sky team being tied for 14th in this poll right now there's a decent chance there's not a single seeded Big Sky team this year.

SUU runs the table, they get a seed.....

[nevadagriz]

I hope the Griz win out, maybe they can make the 20-25 position in this poll if they do. j/k
if you all think this weeks poll is crazy next week might cause some of you to lose your chit. Great games coming up and plenty of time for teams to prove themselves!
Big Sky teams Nau,Suu,UM,weber and Sac are all in the same position win out and they will make some noise in the polls. Really all of them can be considered borderline top 25 ,however they are all one loss from never seeing top 25 the rest of the year.

[Professor Chaos]

SUU runs the table, they get a seed.....
Idk man, their next 3 games at @Northern Colorado, vs UND, and @UC Davis. Those should be 3 wins so it's not going to move them up much but if they lose any of them they can kiss their seed chances goodbye. Their final game against NAU might be the game where they (or NAU) can prove they deserve a seed but both need to win out and upsets happen. Say SUU beats NAU to get to 9-2 and drop NAU to 7-4 that's not going to move the needle much either.

[POD Knows]

So you are saying that unless you thought a team was good in the pre-season, they have a higher burden to get into your poll?Nope, pre-season is meaningless. Here is why SUU started in a hole with me originally, they lost to Sac State and they didn't just lose, they got their asses handed to them, and then they barely beat a pretty ****ty Cal Poly team, I have them behind some teams they beat, I am pretty sure that if SUU keeps winning and it looks like they should given the **** they play in the next three games that they will move up.

So, did you have them ranked after week 5, I started to look at them when they beat Weber and then I moved them into the top 25 with the EWU win. I am not going to move a team 15 spots because they won a couple games, just for the record, I think both EWU and Weber suck balls and I expect they will continue to fall in the polls.

Good enough for you, are you done yet.

[nevadagriz]

One question:
At what point does YSU have to win a game to stay in the top 25? They have lost 3 straight ( to very good teams) but still they keep losing! if JMU,EWU or SHSU lost 3 straight they would not even be sniffing top 25. Don't give me the "good" loss bs either.

[clenz]

One question:
At what point does YSU have to win a game to stay in the top 25? They have lost 3 straight ( to very good teams) but still they keep losing! if JMU,EWU or SHSU lost 3 straight they would not even be sniffing top 25. Don't give me the "good" loss bs either.
They needed to beat UNI.

They didn't.

They should be out.

[Hammerhead]

If the #6 team loses to the #2 team, should they drop in the polls when they were expected to lose? I declined an invitation to vote in this poll since I don't follow other conferences enough to try making an educated guess.

[RootinFerDukes]

Agree. Seems voters were gentle on USD after that beat down. But there is no MVFC bias, ya know.... Would JMU or, god forbid Sam Houston, get the same benefit of the doubt?

Yeah I hate to say it but when you look at who entered and who left the poll, while who got leniency and who was bludgeoned, the MVFC bias of many of the voters is loud and clear in week 8.

[kdinva]

hey, week to week, it gets trickier to place teams 3-35, what with the game results we've all seen the past two weeks,,,,,,,,and this coming week, and the 4th of November......

[clenz]

Yeah I hate to say it but when you look at who entered and who left the poll, while who got leniency and who was bludgeoned, the MVFC bias of many of the voters is loud and clear in week 8.
You don't understand how the poll is calculated.

[FargoBison]

One question:
At what point does YSU have to win a game to stay in the top 25? They have lost 3 straight ( to very good teams) but still they keep losing! if JMU,EWU or SHSU lost 3 straight they would not even be sniffing top 25. Don't give me the "good" loss bs either.

JMU would if they lost to teams like YSU is losing to and probably EWU as well.

YSU needs to beat ISUR at home this week, if they don't their days of being ranked are obviously done.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Mine:

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Elon Phoenix
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Western Carolina Catamounts
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: North Carolina A&T Aggies
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: Weber State Wildcats
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Eastern Washington Eagles
25: Richmond Spiders


The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins

[Daytripper]

Idk man, their next 3 games at @Northern Colorado, vs UND, and @UC Davis. Those should be 3 wins so it's not going to move them up much but if they lose any of them they can kiss their seed chances goodbye. Their final game against NAU might be the game where they (or NAU) can prove they deserve a seed but both need to win out and upsets happen. Say SUU beats NAU to get to 9-2 and drop NAU to 7-4 that's not going to move the needle much either.

You may be right, but there won't be that many 2 loss teams left. And being the Big Sky champ will carry some weight, I think.

[FargoBison]

How do people not understand that USD only fell a few spots because a lot of teams behind them lost and also they had built themselves some cushion by playing well.

[POD Knows]

SUU runs the table, they get a seed.....Yep, I think so. They have three pretty easy games and then NAU,

[Professor Chaos]

One question:
At what point does YSU have to win a game to stay in the top 25? They have lost 3 straight ( to very good teams) but still they keep losing! if JMU,EWU or SHSU lost 3 straight they would not even be sniffing top 25. Don't give me the "good" loss bs either.
YSU had 1295 points in last week's poll so there was obviously quite a few voters who thought they were quite good (myself included). They dropped all the way to 369 points so they lost over 900 points and were only 41 points away from not being in the top 25 at all. I'd say the word is out on them and they are the definition of clinging for dear life in the top 25. I'd guarantee if they lose this week they're out.

[clenz]

How do people not understand that USD only fell a few spots because a lot of teams behind them lost and also they had built themselves some cushion by playing well.
You mean, we aren't voting with each team in a vacuum.

[Professor Chaos]

You may be right, but there won't be that many 2 loss teams left. And being the Big Sky champ will carry some weight, I think.
Yeah, you're probably right. If UNI can make some noise and beat NDSU and/or USD to finish 7-4 that would give SUU a good bump also.


How do people not understand that USD only fell a few spots because a lot of teams behind them lost and also they had built themselves some cushion by playing well.
Some people are way too reactive to last week without looking at the whole year to this point. Compare SHSU (the current #6) and USD on the year and tell me SHSU should be ranked ahead of USD. It's not going to be a good argument for whoever tries to make it.

[Bisonator]

xpopcornx

[FargoBison]

You mean, we aren't voting with each team in a vacuum.

Yep, it is like people think, team X lost so automatically we need to drop them 5 spots. This logic is how polls end up having teams like NC A&T ranked 6th.

The thing is....USD plays SIU, @UNI, @NDSU and SDSU. I garauntee after that gauntlet they'll be wherever they deserve to be ranked.

[nevadagriz]

Usd is right where they should be. Who do they have left to play? How they respond to this loss will tell alot about the coyotes.

[FargoBison]

Usd is right where they should be. Who do they have left to play? How they respond to this loss will tell alot about the coyotes.

SIU, @UNI, @NDSU and SDSU.

They are a top 5 team and oddly probably staring at a must win game this weekend.

[Yotes21]

MEAT GRINDER. The rankings at least with the MVFC will shake out over the next 4 weeks.

[WestCoastAggie]

So. Many. Panties. In. A. Bunch.

We got an opening on our schedule in 2018.

I bet this squad would shut quite a few mouths this season too.

Oh well. I am just basking in all of this glory right now.
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[Professor]

So. Many. Panties. In. A. Bunch.

We got an opening on our schedule in 2018.

I bet this squad would shut quite a few mouths this season too.

Oh well. I am just basking in all of this glory right now.
https://media.tenor.com/images/0f43c4ec8b2d4f5a25639e296bbcaf76/tenor.gif

Nah we are going to finish that Elon contract with a home visit from them and a home game from Gardner Webb

[clenz]

SIU, @UNI, @NDSU and SDSU.

They are a top 5 team and oddly probably staring at a must win game this weekend.
I won't be shocked to see them finish 1-3 through that last 4.

They'd be an interesting playoff comp at that point as it means UNI finishes 3-1.

Both would be 7-4. UNI would be 6-2 in conference. USD would be 3-5

[WestCoastAggie]

Nah we are going to finish that Elon contract with a home visit from them and a home game from Gardner Webb

We don't play Elon again until 2019.

[Dukie95]

Rank
Team
Week 8 Result
Total Points
First Place Votes
Overall Record
Conference Record
FCS Coaches Poll (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/fcs-coaches-poll?sf11714920=1)
Sagarin Ranking

Massey Ranking

Strength of Schedule

vs. AGS Top 25

FBS Record
Division 1 Wins
Streak
Home vs FCS
Away vs FCS
Neutral vs FCS
PF vs FCS
PA vs FCS


#1
James Madison Dukes
Won at William & Mary Tribe 46-14 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400950973)
1912
67
7-0
4-0
1
54
2

23
1-0

1-0
7
W7
5-0
1-0
0-0
251
66


#2
North Dakota State Bison
Won vs #7 Western Illinois Leathernecks 24-12 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400951072)
1841
4
7-0
4-0
2
41
1

22

3-0

0-0
7
W7
4-0
3-0
0-0
309
67




The SOS will continue to widen....its only a matter of time if both teams keep winning.

Delaware is now ranked, so JMU is now 2-0 against top 25. Not sure if that record represented the time the game occurred or currently....

[BisonFan02]

Delaware is now ranked, so JMU is now 2-0 against top 25. Not sure if that record represented the time the game occurred or currently....

Its based on time occurred. Unless Supe can confirm otherwise?

[UNIFanSince1983]

Well doesn't Supe put that together before the rankings? It should be ranked currently since some teams could have been ranked early, but actually suck. *cough* UND *cough*

[FargoBison]

I won't be shocked to see them finish 1-3 through that last 4.

They'd be an interesting playoff comp at that point as it means UNI finishes 3-1.

Both would be 7-4. UNI would be 6-2 in conference. USD would be 3-5

I agree, UNI and NDSU are going to beat up on Streveler, going to be interesting to see how much he has left in the tank for SDSU.

If UNI gets to 7-4...they have to be in.

[KPSUL]

You don't understand how the poll is calculated.

Not positive, but I'd like to know for sure. I assume it is 25 pts for a #1 vote, 24 pts for a #2, and so forth all the way down to 1 pt for a #25 vote. You then total up all points awarded by all the voters to derive the score for each team. In many things like this you throw out a certain number of the highest and lowest scores for every team to get rid of the mistakes (like clicking on UND thinking it is NDSU), any deliberate manipulation (like voting a borderline 25th place team to a top 5 to help ensure they make the cut) and other statistical outliers.

Is that about it ?

[clenz]

Not positive, but I'd like to know for sure. I assume it is 25 pts for a #1 vote, 24 pts for a #2, and so forth all the way down to 1 pt for a #25 vote. You then total up all points awarded by all the voters to derive the score for each team. In many things like this you throw out a certain number of the highest and lowest scores for every team to get rid of the mistakes (like clicking on UND thinking it is NDSU), any deliberate manipulation (like voting a borderline 25th place team to a top 5 to help ensure they make the cut) and other statistical outliers.

Is that about it ?
Kinda, but not quite.

You have to answer what conference you team is in because this poll has an anti-bias system built into it's totaling system. Ursus has explained it before, but if you select MVFC for your conference affiliation, then your MVFC votes are "nerfed" for lack of a better word in my brain right now.

He's posted conference based results before and it's show, time and time again, that there is no bias. In fact, conference members are shown to be harder on their own conference than anyone else.

I don't remember if it was earlier this year or last year but someone was bitching about an MVFC team and ursus posted the results and the MVFC guys actually had that team a couple spots lower than everyone else did.

[Professor Chaos]

I won't be shocked to see them finish 1-3 through that last 4.

They'd be an interesting playoff comp at that point as it means UNI finishes 3-1.

Both would be 7-4. UNI would be 6-2 in conference. USD would be 3-5
USD would be 4-4 in conference in that scenario. I think both would be in but UNI would be a stone cold lead pipe lock at 7-4. USD might have a bit of a sweat just because they would've lost 4 of 5 to end the season but I think they're still in with the committee needing 14 at large teams to fill out the field.

[thebootfitter]

I would be absolutely shocked if we won out given the injury situation. We are a twisted ankle away on Stick to being a team that is battling for a playoff spot. We are going to have one RB this weekend. Who knows what is going to happen.Dude... The Bison are already most likely in the field. They are one win away from a lock. They are a twisted ankle away from fighting for their lives in the playoffs though. I'll give you that.

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[Catbooster]

Delaware is now ranked, so JMU is now 2-0 against top 25. Not sure if that record represented the time the game occurred or currently....
It's based on the ranking when the game was played. This lets the previous week's tally carry forward. To make it correspond to current rankings, he would have to go back to all of the games in previous weeks and tally it up - an awful lot of work.

[Catbooster]

Kinda, but not quite.

You have to answer what conference you team is in because this poll has an anti-bias system built into it's totaling system. Ursus has explained it before, but if you select MVFC for your conference affiliation, then your MVFC votes are "nerfed" for lack of a better word in my brain right now.

He's posted conference based results before and it's show, time and time again, that there is no bias. In fact, conference members are shown to be harder on their own conference than anyone else.

I don't remember if it was earlier this year or last year but someone was bitching about an MVFC team and ursus posted the results and the MVFC guys actually had that team a couple spots lower than everyone else did.
Isn't it just that if you are the only one voting for a team as #1, it can't be a homer vote? That's what I thought, but there may be more to it than I thought.

And yes, Ursus has posted break-downs a number of times over the years and it shows that on average, the tendency is to be harder on your own team/conference.

[BisonBacker]

Isn't it just that if you are the only one voting for a team as #1, it can't be a homer vote? That's what I thought, but there may be more to it than I thought.

And yes, Ursus has posted break-downs a number of times over the years and it shows that on average, the tendency is to be harder on your own team/conference.

The homer vote question I believe you have correct. If you are the only one voting your own team as #1 then it's tossed.

[OhioHen]

The "oh, look a the slot voters" comments about the coaches poll need to stop.

South Dakota at 5 in the AGS poll this week is a perfect example of "slot voting" right here.

[FargoBison]

The "oh, look a the slot voters" comments about the coaches poll need to stop.

South Dakota at 5 in the AGS poll this week is a perfect example of "slot voting" right here.

Please explain...If anything Elon is a stronger example of slot voting.

[PantherRob82]

The "oh, look a the slot voters" comments about the coaches poll need to stop.

South Dakota at 5 in the AGS poll this week is a perfect example of "slot voting" right here.

No it isn’t. Slot voters would drop them further.

[Tribe4SF]

Hello Bisonbacker,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/22/2017 13:08:37

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Wofford Terriers
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Elon Phoenix
9: North Carolina A&T Aggies
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Western Illinois Leathernecks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
23: Western Carolina Catamounts
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Bisonbacker

The Most Significant Win: Illinois State Redbirds
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes

Just a heads up... you have Richmond and Stony Brook ahead of Delaware. The Blue Hens have already beaten both of those teams.

[beerkat]

Name more than 6 teams that USD wouldn't likely beat...

I could name 15 teams that SHSU would likely lose to.


okay, name those 15 teams

[clenz]

Isn't it just that if you are the only one voting for a team as #1, it can't be a homer vote? That's what I thought, but there may be more to it than I thought.

And yes, Ursus has posted break-downs a number of times over the years and it shows that on average, the tendency is to be harder on your own team/conference.
That's the homer vote rule.

There is also a conference bias multiplier built in as well.

Given that it is well known conference teams tend to be harder on their own conference, why are we still hearing cries of "CONFERENCE BIAS!"

[MTfan4life]

I guess the Western Carolina win over Samford doesn't mean much to the AGS voters either......?

not much, just to be ranked above a team you've already beaten.... is that too much to ask?

I don't know if this comment was addressed, but it really needs to be if it hasn't. There's other trios we could do this with, but for your sake, lets take Samford, Wofford, and Western Carolina. According to your complaint, Western should be ranked ahead of Samford. So, sticking to your reasoning, Wofford should be ahead of Western Carolina. But wait, Samford beat Wofford, so then we need to put them ahead of Wofford. But wait, WCU beat Samford, so they should be ahead. But wait, Wofford beat WCU, so they should be ahead. You just get in an infinite loop if all you use for ranking those three teams, is the idea that one team should be ranked ahead of another one it beat. When Samford, WCU, and Wofford all have a 1-1 record against each other, someone is going to be ranked ahead of a team they lost to.

[dbackjon]

SUU runs the table, they get a seed.....

Or NAU at 9-2

[Bisonator]

I don't know if this comment was addressed, but it really needs to be if it hasn't. There's other trios we could do this with, but for your sake, lets take Samford, Wofford, and Western Carolina. According to your complaint, Western should be ranked ahead of Samford. So, sticking to your reasoning, Wofford should be ahead of Western Carolina. But wait, Samford beat Wofford, so then we need to put them ahead of Wofford. But wait, WCU beat Samford, so they should be ahead. But wait, Wofford beat WCU, so they should be ahead. You just get in an infinite loop if all you use for ranking those three teams, is the idea that one team should be ranked ahead of another one it beat. When Samford, WCU, and Wofford all have a 1-1 record against each other, someone is going to be ranked ahead of a team they lost to.
Simple they should be tied. Why do I have to think of these things? xlolx

[dbackjon]

So. Many. Panties. In. A. Bunch.

We got an opening on our schedule in 2018.

I bet this squad would shut quite a few mouths this season too.

Oh well. I am just basking in all of this glory right now.
https://media.tenor.com/images/0f43c4ec8b2d4f5a25639e296bbcaf76/tenor.gif


Would love to do a home and home with a good MEAC team (or any FCS team, for that matter)

[UNIFanSince1983]

Early in the season yes it makes sense to strictly rate a team higher after they beat another team. At this point you need to take into account a whole resume. Like you can't just say "Well Illinois State beat South Dakota therefore they need to be ranked higher."

Now if the teams are close then yes the head to head should be the decider.

[paward]

Oh my God! A&T went up one spot! xshakingmadx
They are top ten in my poll. Can not imagine any undefeated fcs team not in top ten.

[The Yo Show]

So Illinois St is #7 and Southern Illinois is unranked? That take is a long ways out in left field.

Meh. Its not perfect, but I would say its due to not slot voting. Yeah I probably should have put SIU in my poll though I would agree. Still, I moved Illinois State way up in my poll with that win over South Dakota. They may or may not be that high next week. If they lose to YSU, it would be devastating to their poll position. I probably over reacted to the win though.

[POD Knows]

Dude... The Bison are already most likely in the field. They are one win away from a lock. They are a twisted ankle away from fighting for their lives in the playoffs though. I'll give you that.

Sent from my Pixel XL using TapatalkOk. I will buy that

[POD Knows]

Or NAU at 9-2Yea. But SUU would have beaten you in the final game. It would be a close call.

[DirtyDukes]

Rank
Team
Week 8 Result
Total Points
First Place Votes
Overall Record
Conference Record
FCS Coaches Poll (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/fcs-coaches-poll?sf11714920=1)
Sagarin Ranking

Massey Ranking

Strength of Schedule

vs. AGS Top 25

FBS Record
Division 1 Wins
Streak
Home vs FCS
Away vs FCS
Neutral vs FCS
PF vs FCS
PA vs FCS


#1
James Madison Dukes
Won at William & Mary Tribe 46-14 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400950973)
1912
67
7-0
4-0
1
54
2

23
1-0

1-0
7
W7
5-0
1-0
0-0
251
66


#2
North Dakota State Bison
Won vs #7 Western Illinois Leathernecks 24-12 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400951072)
1841
4
7-0
4-0
2
41
1

22

3-0

0-0
7
W7
4-0
3-0
0-0
309
67




The SOS will continue to widen....its only a matter of time if both teams keep winning.
Where's the Versus FBS Column?

I don't agree about the SOS if it's based on when the game is played. Also, didn't NDSU almost lose to #23 YSU. JMU beat #13 by 10. NDSU looks beatable. JMU doesn't.

[POD Knows]

Would love to do a home and home with a good MEAC team (or any FCS team, for that matter)
How come we never play you guys, that would awesome.

[wcugrad95]

Where's the Versus FBS Column?

I don't agree about the SOS if it's based on when the game is played. Also, didn't NDSU almost lose to #23 YSU. JMU beat #13 by 10. NDSU looks beatable. JMU doesn't.

FBS record is right after "vs AGS top 25"

[thebootfitter]

They are top ten in my poll. Can not imagine any undefeated fcs team not in top ten.Seriously? That sounds like a major bias to me.

Theoretically, you could have a decent undefeated team with a very soft schedule that ends up matched in the playoffs with a 4th or 5th place team from another conference who barely made it into the playoffs with a 0.500 conference record and is ranked 20+... Then curb stomps the undefeated team.

Oh wait... You mean that scenario is not hypothetical???

If you really think that an undefeated record against a soft schedule deserves top ten and stands a fair chance of beating all the teams ranked lower, go for it. But I'd bet against you more often than not. And I'm pretty sure I'd walk away the winner more often than not.


One more thing... If you took that logic and applied it to the FBS, you'd get laughed off the stage. Just for a point of reference.

[Bison56]

They are top ten in my poll. Can not imagine any undefeated fcs team not in top ten.

You rank by records?

[BisonBacker]

Where's the Versus FBS Column?

I don't agree about the SOS if it's based on when the game is played. Also, didn't NDSU almost lose to #23 YSU. JMU beat #13 by 10. NDSU looks beatable. JMU doesn't.

YSU Was not 23rd when NDSU played them not sure why that is so hard to understand. You don't rank a team based on a game with another team using the other teams current ranking you use the ranking the other team had at the time they played.

[UNIFanSince1983]

They are top ten in my poll. Can not imagine any undefeated fcs team not in top ten.

I am assuming then that Columbia is also in the Top 10?

[POD Knows]

You rank by records?Apparently, he may have an Ivy or a PL team as his #1 team some day.

[grizband]

Undefeated teams often do not deserve a spot in the top 10. See: Dayton, San Diego, etc.

[UNIFanSince1983]

YSU Was not 23rd when NDSU played them not sure why that is so hard to understand. You don't rank a team based on a game with another team using the other teams current ranking you use the ranking the other team had at the time they played.

So USD gets credit for UND being quite high when they played, even though we now know UND was actually terrible?

Maybe just maybe you should look at current ranking because that give a more accurate view of what that team really is.

[POD Knows]

Undefeated teams in the Pioneer League do not deserve a spot in the top 25. See: Dayton, San Diego, etc.

FYP

[clenz]

They are top ten in my poll. Can not imagine any undefeated fcs team not in top ten.
If you don't rank the follow list before ANY other FCS team you are a hypocrite and should immediately give up voting or admit your a hypocrit

Monmouth
Kennesaw State
JMU
Elon
Columbia
Dartmouth
Princeton
Yale
NCAT
NDSU
USD
Duquense
JSU
Wofford
UCA
McNeese State
SHSU
Grambling State


That's your top 18, no questions asked, according to your logic. Those teams all have 1 or 0 losses.

[grizband]

Undefeated teams often do not deserve a spot in the top 10. See: Dayton, San Diego, etc.


FYP
Haha, touche. An argument could be made for some of those squads being top 25, but top 10 would have been outrageous.

[DirtyDukes]

FBS record is right after "vs AGS top 25"

Hahaha no I know I was just saying that should be in consideration. But thank you.


YSU Was not 23rd when NDSU played them not sure why that is so hard to understand. You don't rank a team based on a game with another team using the other teams current ranking you use the ranking the other team had at the time they played.

Are you sure? That's dumb. So if Richmond loses out Sam Houston gets to say they beat a top 10 team that is 3-8? Rankings later in the season are more accurate.

[POD Knows]

Haha, touche. An argument could be made for some of those squads being top 25, but top 10 would have been outrageous.Yea, The Whales Vagina was decent last year but that was an anomaly. I think the San Diego win against CP in the playoffs last year must have fatally wounded the ponies, WTF is going on there.

[grizband]

Haha, touche. An argument could be made for some of those squads being top 25, but top 10 would have been outrageous.


Yea, The Whales Vagina was decent last year but that was an anomaly. I think the San Diego win against CP in the playoffs last year must have fatally wounded the ponies, WTF is going on there.
I was actually thinking about the San Diego teams from the mid 2000s, led by Josh Johnson at QB and Jim Harbaugh at coach.

Cal Poly has been a rough team this year. Seems they lost their offensive coordinator, and without their athletic QB they don't have much to rely on outside of Joe Protheroe.

[Evolution Prime]

I would be absolutely shocked if we won out given the injury situation. We are a twisted ankle away on Stick to being a team that is battling for a playoff spot. We are going to have one RB this weekend. Who knows what is going to happen.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/EvolutionPrime/Mobile%20Uploads/ankle_zpscm8polm4.jpg

[Catbooster]

I'm pretty sure Protheroe is out too

[grizband]

I'm pretty sure Protheroe is out too
Cal Poly really can't catch a break this season.

[PantherRob82]

Hahaha no I know I was just saying that should be in consideration. But thank you.



Are you sure? That's dumb. So if Richmond loses out Sam Houston gets to say they beat a top 10 team that is 3-8? Rankings later in the season are more accurate.

Not really. Rankings now don’t account for injuries, momentum, etc

[dbackjon]

Yea. But SUU would have beaten you in the final game. It would be a close call.

If NAU is 9-2, they would have beaten SUU, and be on a 9-game win streak.

[dbackjon]

How come we never play you guys, that would awesome.


Yes it would. We have had series with South Dakota, UNI, WIU and Illinois State in the past 10 years from the MVFC.

[grizband]

If NAU is 9-2, they would have beaten SUU, and be on a 9-game win streak.
They would have also beaten Montana, which could end up a quality win depending on how the Griz finish.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Not really. Rankings now don’t account for injuries, momentum, etc

First of all, Momentum is made up and not really a thing.

So you are going to say if a team is ranked #5 at some point during the season, but hasn't really played anyone. Then they lose 4 straight after finally getting into the meat of their schedule we need to consider them the #5 team for the rest of the year just because we made a mistake about how good they really were?

[BisonBacker]

So USD gets credit for UND being quite high when they played, even though we now know UND was actually terrible?

Maybe just maybe you should look at current ranking because that give a more accurate view of what that team really is.

At the time they did yes. You may not like it but yes they did.

[BisonBacker]

Hahaha no I know I was just saying that should be in consideration. But thank you.



Are you sure? That's dumb. So if Richmond loses out Sam Houston gets to say they beat a top 10 team that is 3-8? Rankings later in the season are more accurate.

Why is it dumb if as others have pointed out teams have changes due to injury ect. If a top 10-20 team had their QB go down but lost a game while he was playing to team "B" should that diminsh team "B"s win?

Also please show me any top 10 team with a 3-8 record I'll wait.

[DirtyDukes]

At the time they did yes. You may not like it but yes they did.

Nah you're wrong.

[Professor Chaos]

First of all, Momentum is made up and not really a thing.

So you are going to say if a team is ranked #5 at some point during the season, but hasn't really played anyone. Then they lose 4 straight after finally getting into the meat of their schedule we need to consider them the #5 team for the rest of the year just because we made a mistake about how good they really were?
Agreed. There are some exceptions due to injuries to star players or mass amounts of starters that can make a win earlier in the season better than it looks based on the current or end of season rank of the team that was beaten but for the most part I think you should be judged based on how teams are ranked/evaluated now rather than how they were ranked/evaluated when the game was played.

[BisonBacker]

Nah you're wrong.

You are entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong.

[Serpentor]

Are you sure? That's dumb. So if Richmond loses out Sam Houston gets to say they beat a top 10 team that is 3-8? Rankings later in the season are more accurate.

So if all of JMU's opponents fall into oblivion, you're cool with the Dukes falling out of the top 10?

[BisonBacker]

First of all, Momentum is made up and not really a thing.

So you are going to say if a team is ranked #5 at some point during the season, but hasn't really played anyone. Then they lose 4 straight after finally getting into the meat of their schedule we need to consider them the #5 team for the rest of the year just because we made a mistake about how good they really were?

Nobody in this discussion is saying that at least not that I'm aware of.

[BisonBacker]

So USD gets credit for UND being quite high when they played, even though we now know UND was actually terrible?

Maybe just maybe you should look at current ranking because that give a more accurate view of what that team really is.
Using your comment quoted in my last post show me where anyone has UND rated in the top 25

[POD Knows]

If NAU is 9-2, they would have beaten SUU, and be on a 9-game win streak.Yep, I would say they would get a seed,

[UNIFanSince1983]

At the time they did yes. You may not like it but yes they did.

Are you still giving them credit for that win? Saying "Well they have a Top 10 win".

[UNIFanSince1983]

Nobody in this discussion is saying that at least not that I'm aware of.

If you are saying that you need to consider where a team was ranked when the teams played you are giving them credit for being the #5 team all season long. Maybe not for future teams that play them, but for that one you are.

You need to look at where a team is currently ranked, and revise how good you think a team's resume is every week. Oh they have a win over UND who was in the Top 10 when they played. However, I have more evidence now that shows that was wrong so that win holds less weight now. It may have affected their ranking the week after that win, but it should no longer be considered a good win at this point.

[BisonBacker]

Are you still giving them credit for that win? Saying "Well they have a Top 10 win".

Using your example of UND it's a moot point as I believe all poll voters know better to look at the overall record. Should a top 5 team lose to another team that is on the bubble and the previous top 5 team still remains in the top 25 I could see an argument made using the win or giving them credit. Show me where any voter keeps a team ranked at any position throughout the season in the polls cuz that is what you are arguing regardless of said teams record using your quoted post.

Let me put it another way. Regardless of the week during the season if team A plays Team B and team A is ranked #1 and loses to team B do you give credit to team B for beating the #1 team in the poll?

[BisonBacker]

I said you use the rank when they played not the current rank. Look at my previous post and answer that question.

[clenz]

Yes it would. We have had series with South Dakota, UNI, WIU and Illinois State in the past 10 years from the MVFC.
I'd love another NAU series, but it sounds like our new AD is going to take a different OOC strategy than our last AD.

I remember watching UNI at NAU when I was like a sophomore/jr in HS on a grainy TV station at my sisters place on their Dish

[grizband]

I said you use the rank when they played not the current rank. Look at my previous post and answer that question.
Personally, I disagree that you use a rank when teams play; the end of the season rank gives a wider perspective of the team.

[dbackjon]

I'd love another NAU series, but it sounds like our new AD is going to take a different OOC strategy than our last AD.

I remember watching UNI at NAU when I was like a sophomore/jr in HS on a grainy TV station at my sisters place on their Dish

What's the new strategy?

[PantherRob82]

First of all, Momentum is made up and not really a thing.

So you are going to say if a team is ranked #5 at some point during the season, but hasn't really played anyone. Then they lose 4 straight after finally getting into the meat of their schedule we need to consider them the #5 team for the rest of the year just because we made a mistake about how good they really were?
No, but voters are also allowed to use their brains and look at who each team has played and what they were ranked at the time when filling out their poll.

[BisonBacker]

Personally, I disagree that you use a rank when teams play; the end of the season rank gives a wider perspective of the team.

Rank isn't the only thing I look at it was just what was being discussed.

[PantherRob82]

If you are saying that you need to consider where a team was ranked when the teams played you are giving them credit for being the #5 team all season long. Maybe not for future teams that play them, but for that one you are.

You need to look at where a team is currently ranked, and revise how good you think a team's resume is every week. Oh they have a win over UND who was in the Top 10 when they played. However, I have more evidence now that shows that was wrong so that win holds less weight now. It may have affected their ranking the week after that win, but it should no longer be considered a good win at this point.

Which do you think would be more impressive, if southern Utah beat us now or their win earlier in the season?

[UNIFanSince1983]

Using your example of UND it's a moot point as I believe all poll voters know better to look at the overall record. Should a top 5 team lose to another team that is on the bubble and the previous top 5 team still remains in the top 25 I could see an argument made using the win or giving them credit. Show me where any voter keeps a team ranked at any position throughout the season in the polls cuz that is what you are arguing regardless of said teams record using your quoted post.

Let me put it another way. Regardless of the week during the season if team A plays Team B and team A is ranked #1 and loses to team B do you give credit to team B for beating the #1 team in the poll?

Yes they get credit for beating #1 for that week. However, if #1 keeps losing you lose all your credibility for beating #1 since they were obviously not properly rated. If that team loses that one week then bounces back staying ranked high and keeps winning then yes you get that credit since that team was obviously a good team.

Using your logic though shouldn't UNI have credit for beating 2 Top 10 teams? Yet somehow you didn't have us in your Top 25?

[Southern Bison]

okay, name those 15 teamsNDSU
USD
UNI
YSU
WIU
JMU
Villanova
Delaware
NC A&T
SUU
Montana
JSU
Wofford
W. Carolina
C. Arkansas

Should I continue?

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[BisonBacker]

Yes they get credit for beating #1 for that week.

You could have stopped right there. You proved my point. xnodx

[UNIFanSince1983]

Which do you think would be more impressive, if southern Utah beat us now or their win earlier in the season?

Currently, they get a Top 25 win. If we lose to NDSU and USD then they don't.

Pretty simple right?

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You could have stopped right there. You proved my point.

No you don't get my point, but I am not that surprised.

[POD Knows]

NDSU
USD
UNI
YSU
WIU
JMU
Villanova
Delaware
NC A&T
SUU
Montana
JSU
Wofford
W. Carolina
C. Arkansas

Should I continue?

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[BisonBacker]

Currently, they get a Top 25 win. If we lose to NDSU and USD then they don't.

Pretty simple right?

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No you don't get my point, but I am not that surprised.

You said it yourself they beat the #1 team that week. That was what I said all along you really aren't good at this are you?

[beerkat]

NDSU
USD
UNI
YSU
WIU
JMU
Villanova
Delaware
NC A&T
SUU
Montana
JSU
Wofford
W. Carolina
C. Arkansas

Should I continue?

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I want some of what you are smoking. SHSU would be underdogs against about 1/3 of those right now, favorites against about 1/3, and it would be a toss up on the other 1/3.

[Southern Bison]

I want some of what you are smoking. SHSU would be underdogs against about 1/3 of those right now, favorites against about 1/3, and it would be a toss up on the other 1/3.All it takes to beat SHSU is a decent defense with a run & gun offense or a strong D with a ground & pound offense.

Weren't y'all a favorite against that DII school...

See 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016...

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[gsf23nd]

Personally, I disagree that you use a rank when teams play; the end of the season rank gives a wider perspective of the team.

Think it all depends on what you are looking at. Was the team over-rated when you played them or did they suffer a bunch of injuries and that is why they are dropping in the polls. For instance, a team had a stud QB and is playing when you beat them. The next week that QB goes down, the team falls apart and drops in the polls. I think it is very valid to look at what that team had when you beat them compared to where they are at the end of the year.

[UNIFanSince1983]

You said it yourself they beat the #1 team that week. That was what I said all along you really aren't good at this are you?

Okay, but 3 weeks later #1 team now has 3 losses and isn't ranked. Are you still giving that team credit for beating #1 in your current rankings?

[clenz]

What's the new strategy?

Not scheduling an FBS and 2 top 25 FCd schools OOC anymore. Going for 6 home games.

Not quite NDSU level, but in the same realm.

2019 is the first year he will get to schedule. 2018 is still set from our last AD and is @ Montana @ Iowa and v SUU

[PantherRob82]

Currently, they get a Top 25 win. If we lose to NDSU and USD then they don't.

Pretty simple right?

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No you don't get my point, but I am not that surprised.

your non-answer proves my point. xthumbsupx

[mvemjsunpx]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. Central Arkansas (5)
4. South Dakota (3)
5. Western Illinois (4)
6. Jacksonville St. (6)
7. Sam Houston St. (8)
8. Northern Arizona (11)
9. Delaware (14)
10. Stony Brook (15)
11. Samford (18)
12. Wofford (12)
13. Western Carolina (17)
14. Elon (10)
15. Southern Utah (NR)
16. Weber St. (20)
17. Eastern Washington (9)
18. Montana (21)
19. Northern Iowa (NR)
20. North Carolina A&T (16)
21. Youngstown St. (8)
22. Richmond (13)
23. Nicholls St. (23)
24. McNeese St. (24)
25. South Dakota St. (19)

W - Illinois St.
L - Youngstown St.



Dropped - Albany (22), New Hampshire (25)

[beerkat]

All it takes to beat SHSU is a decent defense with a run & gun offense or a strong D with a ground & pound offense.

Weren't y'all a favorite against that DII school...

See 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016...

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Weren't you a favorite against JMU last year?

And you are really, really reaching if you have to go back to 2011 and 2012 with completely different players and coaches. Hell most of our roster and all of our coordinators have turned over since 2015.

[aceinthehole]

Just wondering, but why didn't Duquesne (6-1, 3-0 NEC) get a single vote or any consideration?

They have won at least a share of the NEC title for 3 of the last 4 seasons. They were picked 2nd in the NEC Coaches preseason poll, they knocked of the NEC favorite Saint Francis and are poised for another NEC Championship and possible playoff appearance.

By no means have the beat a murderers row of opponents, but their only loss is to South Dakota State and that would have been the toughest opponent on the schedule for Monmouth (Big South), Columbia (Ivy), or Kennesaw State (SoCon).

Again, why does Monmouth get the benefit of the doubt for basically winning the Patriot League, or why does yet another Ivy darling get such considerations?

Sagarin Ratings
153 - Kennesaw State
161 - Duquesne
162 - New Hampshire
163 - Monmouth
167 - Austin Peay
179 - Columbia
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

[Professor Chaos]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. Central Arkansas (5)
4. South Dakota (3)
5. Western Illinois (4)
6. Jacksonville St. (6)
7. Sam Houston St. (8)
8. Northern Arizona (11)
9. Delaware (14)
10. Stony Brook (15)
11. Samford (18)
12. Wofford (12)
13. Western Carolina (17)
14. Elon (10)
15. Southern Utah (NR)
16. Weber St. (20)
17. Eastern Washington (9)
18. Montana (21)
19. Northern Iowa (NR)
20. North Carolina A&T (16)
21. Youngstown St. (8)
22. Richmond (13)
23. Nicholls St. (23)
24. McNeese St. (24)
25. South Dakota St. (19)

W - Illinois St.
L - Youngstown St.



Dropped - Albany (22), New Hampshire (25)
Apparently Montana's performance against Bye impressed you more than SDSU throttling Missouri St?

[mvemjsunpx]

Apparently Montana's performance against Bye impressed you more than SDSU throttling Missouri St?

In retrospect, I thought I had SDSU overranked last week. Like Montana, they don't have any notable wins, but both of their MVFC losses were by double digits (and UNI was almost a blowout).

[Southern Bison]

Weren't you a favorite against JMU last year?

And you are really, really reaching if you have to go back to 2011 and 2012 with completely different players and coaches. Hell most of our roster and all of our coordinators have turned over since 2015.Aww...I have something you can dry you tantrum tears with. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171023/81fbac293a26b8a289ec56778682c398.jpg

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[FargoBison]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. Central Arkansas (5)
4. South Dakota (3)
5. Western Illinois (4)
6. Jacksonville St. (6)
7. Sam Houston St. (8)
8. Northern Arizona (11)
9. Delaware (14)
10. Stony Brook (15)
11. Samford (18)
12. Wofford (12)
13. Western Carolina (17)
14. Elon (10)
15. Southern Utah (NR)
16. Weber St. (20)
17. Eastern Washington (9)
18. Montana (21)
19. Northern Iowa (NR)
20. North Carolina A&T (16)
21. Youngstown St. (8)
22. Richmond (13)
23. Nicholls St. (23)
24. McNeese St. (24)
25. South Dakota St. (19)

W - Illinois St.
L - Youngstown St.



Dropped - Albany (22), New Hampshire (25)

3 MVFC teams in the top 5 and you only dropped USD 1 spot....I'd expect a call from the AGS bias police soon checking up on your Big Sky credentials.

[Serpentor]

NDSU
USD
UNI
YSU
WIU
JMU
Villanova
Delaware
NC A&T
SUU
Montana
JSU
Wofford
W. Carolina
C. Arkansas

Should I continue?

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Five, maybe six of those at best. You're talking about of your fake buffalo ass the rest of the way.

[FargoBison]

NC A&T
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[UNIFanSince1983]

your non-answer proves my point. xthumbsupx

What point were you trying to prove? That they should get credit for beating us when we were ranked 21st or if they beat us now when we are ranked 22nd? Seems like we are around where we should be and beating us now or then looks about the same to me.

[Dukie95]

If the "How they fared" post is supposed to be a guide (otherwise meaningless) to help voters make their picks for that given week, I would think that it would be most helpful to know their record against the CURRENT top 25.

I know JMU beat UD before they were ranked, but I can't have that type of memory across all schools. The UD win is looking better and better and pollsters need to keep those factors in mind.

[PantherRob82]

What point were you trying to prove? That they should get credit for beating us when we were ranked 21st or if they beat us now when we are ranked 22nd? Seems like we are around where we should be and beating us now or then looks about the same to me.
That the team UNI was in Week 3 is not as good as the team is playing now.

[Catbooster]

If the "How they fared" post is supposed to be a guide (otherwise meaningless) to help voters make their picks for that given week, I would think that it would be most helpful to know their record against the CURRENT top 25.

I know JMU beat UD before they were ranked, but I can't have that type of memory across all schools. The UD win is looking better and better and pollsters need to keep those factors in mind.
How They Fared is an immense help but you have to take that column with a grain of salt and review the records of the teams. I agree that the current ranking is better, more often than not, but not always. As others have pointed out, you have to make a judgement as to why they have dropped in ranking: were they over-rated or did they lose their starting quarterback for a couple games? There's no perfect system - it's just one data point that needs to be weighed.

From a practical standpoint, I appreciate all the time Supe spends putting that together for us. It's not reasonable to expect him to go back through 40 +/- teams' schedules every week to make adjustments to that column. He already gives us a wealth of information. If you're voting, or if you're trying to make an argument for a team, put the time in to check that.

[cx500d]

Here are the correct answers:
Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Elon Phoenix
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Western Carolina Catamounts
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Monmouth Hawks
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Weber State Wildcats
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

cx500d

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[kalm]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. James Madison (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. Central Arkansas (5)
4. South Dakota (3)
5. Western Illinois (4)
6. Jacksonville St. (6)
7. Sam Houston St. (8)
8. Northern Arizona (11)
9. Delaware (14)
10. Stony Brook (15)
11. Samford (18)
12. Wofford (12)
13. Western Carolina (17)
14. Elon (10)
15. Southern Utah (NR)
16. Weber St. (20)
17. Eastern Washington (9)
18. Montana (21)
19. Northern Iowa (NR)
20. North Carolina A&T (16)
21. Youngstown St. (8)
22. Richmond (13)
23. Nicholls St. (23)
24. McNeese St. (24)
25. South Dakota St. (19)

W - Illinois St.
L - Youngstown St.



Dropped - Albany (22), New Hampshire (25)

Nice work here, Mvem. Not afraid of some volatility. That's a good thing.

[caribbeanhen]

Wow I think a lot of voters are being incredibly kind to Delaware considering they have such an offensively challenged team, must be that dominating defense that's getting all those votes

but on the other hand you guys might be right, I mean we've only lost to number one in FCS and Virginia Tech
and I'm pretty sure we could handle the little darlings from South Dakota

[OhioHen]

Please explain...If anything Elon is a stronger example of slot voting.

Complaints point to how little teams drop with a loss. USD dropped two spots with their loss - exactly what people on here chastise the coaches poll for doing.

Yes, Elon not dropping for struggling to beat URI is another good example.

[OhioHen]

, why are we still hearing cries of "CONFERENCE BIAS!"

Because Youngstown State, with a losing record and three losses in conference is still in the poll. Lots of MVFC voters who will argue that the Penguins truly deserve to be at least as high as they are in spite of their three game losing streak and exactly one victory over a team of any quality.

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Western Illinois Leathernecks
7: Western Carolina Catamounts
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Illinois State Redbirds

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
The Most Significant Loss: Youngstown State Penguins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[cx500d]

Because Youngstown State, with a losing record and three losses in conference is still in the poll. Lots of MVFC voters who will argue that the Penguins truly deserve to be at least as high as they are in spite of their three game losing streak and exactly one victory over a team of any quality.


Did you see them in mine?

[Kemo]

Just wondering, but why didn't Duquesne (6-1, 3-0 NEC) get a single vote or any consideration?

They have won at least a share of the NEC title for 3 of the last 4 seasons. They were picked 2nd in the NEC Coaches preseason poll, they knocked of the NEC favorite Saint Francis and are poised for another NEC Championship and possible playoff appearance.

By no means have the beat a murderers row of opponents, but their only loss is to South Dakota State and that would have been the toughest opponent on the schedule for Monmouth (Big South), Columbia (Ivy), or Kennesaw State (SoCon).

Again, why does Monmouth get the benefit of the doubt for basically winning the Patriot League, or why does yet another Ivy darling get such considerations?

Sagarin Ratings
153 - Kennesaw State
161 - Duquesne
162 - New Hampshire
163 - Monmouth
167 - Austin Peay
179 - Columbia
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
I would guess a lot of the voters saw how bad they got beat by SDSU to start the season, and being many have SDSU hovering between #15-#25, that hurts the perception of the Dukes. I think Duquesne might have got a more positive view if they were at least competitive with the Jackrabbits, but it really was a "no-contest" that saw starters pulled in the early 3rd quarter.

Don't get me wrong, as a SDSU fan I would love to see Duquesne continue to win and get more positive publicity, but sadly they've been fighting an uphill battle from the first game of the season onward. Sadly, you aren't wrong about Monmouth, Columbia, and Kennesaw State getting the benefit of the doubt from some voters (not that many, though, really) because they can hide behind weaker schedules.

[Professor Chaos]

Complaints point to how little teams drop with a loss. USD dropped two spots with their loss - exactly what people on here chastise the coaches poll for doing.

Yes, Elon not dropping for struggling to beat URI is another good example.
You don't know what slot voting is because you're advocating for slot voting by saying a team didn't drop enough with a loss. Slot voting means teams only drop if they lose the previous week and only go up if a team above them lost the previous week. You're essentially saying that USD should be ranked below a team like SHSU (I assume since SHSU is the first team below USD) because USD's loss just happened last weekend instead of 3 weeks ago when SHSU's did. Because if you'd look at who each team beat and who they lost to I don't see how you could argue SHSU higher other than that they have a better loss which holds little water compared to USD's several better wins.

Or if you want to argue that a different team should be ahead of USD let's hear it.

[kalm]

Would love to do a home and home with a good MEAC team (or any FCS team, for that matter)


So. Many. Panties. In. A. Bunch.

We got an opening on our schedule in 2018.

I bet this squad would shut quite a few mouths this season too.

Oh well. I am just basking in all of this glory right now.
https://media.tenor.com/images/0f43c4ec8b2d4f5a25639e296bbcaf76/tenor.gif

Pretty sure we have an open date too. Hell, we'd probably do a one off...



"The Eagles have three things going against them when chasing home-and-home series against other FCS teams: money, geography and the Eagles’ success on the field.

Top-tier FCS programs such as NDSU, Northern Iowa (which played EWU in 2015-16) and Sam Houston State (2013-14) don’t flinch at the challenge.

Not so for the lesser lights. For example, Southland Conference minnow Incarnate Word played last weekend at Sacramento State but wouldn’t be persuaded to play at Roos Field.

“Given the success we’ve had, there’s probably only a dozen schools in FCS that will consider a home and home with us,” said Chaves, who added that over the last few years “there’s not a school in the Central, Mountain or Pacific time zones that I have not spoken to.”

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/sep/13/success-location-money-complicate-eastern-washingt/

[BisonFan02]

Pretty sure we have an open date too. Hell, we'd probably do a one off...



"The Eagles have three things going against them when chasing home-and-home series against other FCS teams: money, geography and the Eagles’ success on the field.

Top-tier FCS programs such as NDSU, Northern Iowa (which played EWU in 2015-16) and Sam Houston State (2013-14) don’t flinch at the challenge.

Not so for the lesser lights. For example, Southland Conference minnow Incarnate Word played last weekend at Sacramento State but wouldn’t be persuaded to play at Roos Field.

“Given the success we’ve had, there’s probably only a dozen schools in FCS that will consider a home and home with us,” said Chaves, who added that over the last few years “there’s not a school in the Central, Mountain or Pacific time zones that I have not spoken to.”

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/sep/13/success-location-money-complicate-eastern-washingt/

We know those feels........

[cx500d]

Pretty sure we have an open date too. Hell, we'd probably do a one off...



"The Eagles have three things going against them when chasing home-and-home series against other FCS teams: money, geography and the Eagles’ success on the field.

Top-tier FCS programs such as NDSU, Northern Iowa (which played EWU in 2015-16) and Sam Houston State (2013-14) don’t flinch at the challenge.

Not so for the lesser lights. For example, Southland Conference minnow Incarnate Word played last weekend at Sacramento State but wouldn’t be persuaded to play at Roos Field.

“Given the success we’ve had, there’s probably only a dozen schools in FCS that will consider a home and home with us,” said Chaves, who added that over the last few years “there’s not a school in the Central, Mountain or Pacific time zones that I have not spoken to.”

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/sep/13/success-location-money-complicate-eastern-washingt/

How many in the Pacific time zone are there not in the Big Fluffy already? Just San Diego?

[Kemo]

Complaints point to how little teams drop with a loss. USD dropped two spots with their loss - exactly what people on here chastise the coaches poll for doing.

Yes, Elon not dropping for struggling to beat URI is another good example.

Listen. I hate USD with every fiber of my being and I want to take every Coyote fans' mother out for a nice dinner and then not call her back, however; I still have them ranked at #4 because nobody below them had a better resume despite the loss to a good (if not bipolar) Illinois State team on the road. Slot voting would have involved me dropping them much further because, "hey, they lost and others won."

With that being said, I hope to have continued opportunities to drop the Coyotes in my poll.

[TheKingpin28]

Listen. I hate USD with every fiber of my being and I want to take every Coyote fans' mother out for a nice dinner and then not call her back, however; I still have them ranked at #4 because nobody below them had a better resume despite the loss to a good (if not bipolar) Illinois State team on the road. Slot voting would have involved me dropping them much further because, "hey, they lost and others won."

With that being said, I hope to have continued opportunities to drop the Coyotes in my poll.

I personally believe, that WIU, NDSU, and USeD should be in the top 6/7. No reason why, after just 1 game against a T25, should a team be dropped hard against a solid team since they had an off game. Now, if they lose again, then yeah, I can see them dropping outside the T10, but anyone who drops them outside of the T7/8 after just 1 loss has some serious explaining to do.

[mmiller_34]

This was a most intriguing week. I don’t always get around to posting my vote but I’d like to see where I stand:

Hello mmiller_34,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/23/2017 8:21:04

Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Elon Phoenix
7: South Dakota Coyotes
8: Western Carolina Catamounts
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Samford Bulldogs
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

mmiller_34

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[RootinFerDukes]

Its based on time occurred. Unless Supe can confirm otherwise?

That makes it a pretty useless metric to have on there then. It’s where you are today, not week 1.

[PantherRob82]

That makes it a pretty useless metric to have on there then. It’s where you are today, not week 1.

Then google: “insert team football”

look at their schedule. Look at poll. Supe isn’t your ****ing butler. That isn’t how anyone does that metric at any level. xcoffeex

[cx500d]

That makes it a pretty useless metric to have on there then. It’s where you are today, not week 1.


I agree. Some teams are slow starters and then something clicks...Like UNI now...Bison in 2010.

[RootinFerDukes]

It's based on the ranking when the game was played. This lets the previous week's tally carry forward. To make it correspond to current rankings, he would have to go back to all of the games in previous weeks and tally it up - an awful lot of work.

Yeah it’s definitely a lot of calculation and I don’t expect anyone to do that. It’s just also something to take with a grain of salt because I don’t really care if you beat und in week 2 and now they’re one of the worst big sky teams.
Thanks for all you do supe!

[PantherRob82]

I agree. Some teams are slow starters and then something clicks...Like UNI now...Bison in 2010.

Then wouldn’t that mess up the metric as well? If you beat them when they were a slow starter and in ranked then why should you get credit for beating a ranked team? Maybe they wouldn’t win if the game was played now.

[RootinFerDukes]

Then google: “insert team football”

look at their schedule. Look at poll. Supe isn’t your ****ing butler. That isn’t how anyone does that metric at any level. xcoffeex

What’s this google you speak of? I can barely navigate my way to AGS. You can’t possibly expect me to figure that out, can you?

[TheKingpin28]

What’s this google you speak of? I can barely navigate my way to AGS. You can’t possibly expect me to figure that out, can you?

https://static3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Blank+_77b8db4a9be3c602144f05367caf1dc9.jpeg

[BisonTru]

1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
9: Western Illinois Leathernecks
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Elon Phoenix
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Illinois State Redbirds
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Furman Paladins
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

BisonTru

[mvemjsunpx]

Nice work here, Mvem. Not afraid of some volatility. That's a good thing.

Thanks. xthumbsupx

[mvemjsunpx]

3 MVFC teams in the top 5 and you only dropped USD 1 spot....I'd expect a call from the AGS bias police soon checking up on your Big Sky credentials.

AGS provides free defense lawyers for this sort of thing, right? xconfusedx

Seriously, though, South Dakota & WIU have enough notable wins that 1 loss wasn't gonna drop them much.

[OhioHen]

Because if you'd look at who each team beat and who they lost to I don't see how you could argue SHSU higher other than that they have a better loss which holds little water compared to USD's several better wins.


You say "look at who USD beat" - I say they've only beaten two teams with winning records (and one of those is a 4-3 Pioneer team with one victory over a 2-6 NAIA team). To your example - yes, SHSU has a similarly weak schedule.

[Professor Chaos]

You say "look at who USD beat" - I say they've only beaten two teams with winning records (and one of those is a 4-3 Pioneer team with one victory over a 2-6 NAIA team). To your example - yes, SHSU has a similarly weak schedule.
Then you're just as biased as you claim us MVFCers to be. USD's best FCS win is #8 WIU, SHSU's is #24 Richmond. USD's 2nd best FCS win is #23 YSU, SHSU's is #31 Nicholls. USD also has an FBS win. You can say "well, USD's wins against those teams were all close" to which I'd reply "what about SHSU's 4 point win over 1-6 NWSU?". Massey has USD's SOS as 14 and SHSU's as 55th. Sagarin has USD's SOS as 150th and SHSU's as 209th.

You can spin it however you want but the only argument SHSU has over USD is that they lost to a better team and that doesn't come close to offsetting the fact that in general USD has played and beat better teams.

[RootinFerDukes]

You say "look at who USD beat" - I say they've only beaten two teams with winning records (and one of those is a 4-3 Pioneer team with one victory over a 2-6 NAIA team). To your example - yes, SHSU has a similarly weak schedule.

But it’s the mvfc. That means EVERY team is a quality win. Get with the program bud.

[Professor Chaos]

But it’s the mvfc. That means EVERY team is a quality win. Get with the program bud.
So Sagarin, Massey, and the AGS consensus all have MVFC bias? I bet the Russians do to.

Or maybe a more plausible explanation for this blatant bias:
https://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/xlarge/public/postimages/108579/aliens-meme.jpeg

[Daytripper]

Here are the correct answers:
Your vote is listed below.


1: James Madison Dukes
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
4: Central Arkansas Bears
5: Elon Phoenix
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: South Dakota Coyotes
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Western Carolina Catamounts
13: North Carolina A&T Aggies
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Monmouth Hawks
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Weber State Wildcats
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

cx500d

The Most Significant Win: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Not bad. I just think you have Illinois State too high and Southern Utah too low.

[Catatonic]

I don’t necessarily rank what I believe are the 25 best teams in FCS.

I am harder on teams that don’t participate in the playoffs and who don’t play other credible teams OOC during the season. I’m also inclined to vote for a team that’s at the top of their conference and likely to receive a play off bid over, say, a 5 loss team from the MVFC that has no shot at the playoffs even if the Valley team would probably be the best school in other conferences.

In that respect my rankings may differ significantly from either Sagarin or Massey.

[Daytripper]

So Sagarin, Massey, and the AGS consensus all have MVFC bias? I bet the Russians do to.

Or maybe a more plausible explanation for this blatant bias:
https://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/xlarge/public/postimages/108579/aliens-meme.jpeg

Just because it gets labeled a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it isn't true.....mvfc bias and aliens exist. We just haven't seen proof yet...xcoffeex

[UNIFanSince1983]

So Sagarin, Massey, and the AGS consensus all have MVFC bias?

Don't forget the STATS and Coaches polls. Oh the Massey Composite which includes all computers and human polls.

[WestCoastAggie]

So Sagarin, Massey, and the AGS consensus all have MVFC bias? I bet the Russians do to.

Or maybe a more plausible explanation for this blatant bias:
https://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/xlarge/public/postimages/108579/aliens-meme.jpeg

Don't forget about the A&T bias.

[Serpentor]

I swear to God, MVFC fanboys are just as bad as SEC fanboys.

[Reign of Terrier]

Y'all do realize that computer rankings are averages right? And the variables that go into rankings are also averages right?

Computers are helpful for figuring out:
--baseline expectations of outcomes between 2 teams in a game environment
--a tie-breaker between bubble teams with comparable records/SOS,

But when it comes to rankings, we should resort to the computers when we get in a bind between two teams, but not as an appeal to authority as to why a questionable team should stay where they are

[UNH72Plus]

I was disappointed to see UNH play their best all-around game of the season, running a poor Towson team off the field and still dropping three spots in the poll. They finally got most of their injured defensive players back (which showed), but had to rely on their #3 and #5 running backs to step up due to injuries to numbers 1, 2, & 4. They responded by gaining 187 and 104 yards, respectively. My disappointment was eased a bit when I looked at the overall team standings and noted that 57 teams have 3 or fewer losses on the season (3 no losses, 14 one, 16 two, and 23 three). That's nearly half the total number of FCS team. The next couple of weeks should sort some of this out.

[Professor Chaos]

I swear to God, MVFC fanboys are just as bad as SEC fanboys.


Y'all do realize that computer rankings are averages right? And the variables that go into rankings are also averages right?

Computers are helpful for figuring out:
--baseline expectations of outcomes between 2 teams in a game environment
--a tie-breaker between bubble teams with comparable records/SOS,

But when it comes to rankings, we should resort to the computers when we get in a bind between two teams, but not as an appeal to authority as to why a questionable team should stay where they are
So tell me why SHSU should be ranked ahead of USD because I'm obviously too biased to see it.