Georgetown: New Football Facility In 2018

[DFW HOYA]

The good news: For the first time in 13 years, Georgetown has put a date on the never ending "Phase 2" of the Multi-Sport Facility project with an expansion in capacity from 2,400 to to 4,750 by the 2018 season.

The bad news: if you're a fan of the other team used to sitting in the east side stands, bring a folding chair instead.

http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/cf_northeast.jpg


More details:
http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/football.htm

[Anthony215]

That's one way to create a true home field advantage by making the opposing team fans sit on the grass including the band members...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Great news! Georgetown can compete as a need base program IF they commit in other areas. This is a huge deal for the program and the PL.

[kdinva]

That's one way to create a true home field advantage by making the opposing team fans sit on the grass including the band members...

Like already @ Robert Morris.......Monmouth......Wagner..

[RichH2]

Good news. It's OK,I have a folding chair :)

[BisonFan02]

4750 sell outs? I would think you could still find a seat back as an opposing fan.

[Go Green]

It looks like there is space on the visitor's side for bleachers if I'm reading the plans correctly. Any particular reason why they won't erect any for the "new" facility?

[Anthony215]

Like already @ Robert Morris.......Monmouth......

In theory if you look at the teams RMU plays in conference they don't travel well anyways. Lafayette & Lehigh fans generally travel halfway decent the rest of the teams you might be lucky if they bring 100 fans/band members.

Monmouth plays in a conference far outside their regional area. Closest opponent to them is Liberty but they're moving to FBS so after that it's Garner-Webb in NC

[DFW HOYA]

Great news! Georgetown can compete as a need base program IF they commit in other areas.

No need-based team can compete in the PL anymore. If they could, why didn't Bucknell and Lafayette stay with aid packages?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

No need-based team can compete in the PL anymore. If they could, why didn't Bucknell and Lafayette stay with aid packages?

The PL has not changed THAT much with the addition of scholarships. Scholarships do not guarantee success. There's plenty of scholarship teams that suck. Some of them have resided in the PL. If Georgetown improves their facilities and adds a little more flavor to their scheduling I think they can be competitive in a scholarship era PL.

Lafayette an Bucknell simply choose to. Plus, are they allocating the same number of scholarships as Colgate, Fordham and Lehigh? My guess is no...

[Franks Tanks]

The PL has not changed THAT much with the addition of scholarships. Scholarships do not guarantee success. There's plenty of scholarship teams that suck. Some of them have resided in the PL. If Georgetown improves their facilities and adds a little more flavor to their scheduling I think they can be competitive in a scholarship era PL.

Lafayette an Bucknell simply choose to. Plus, are they allocating the same number of scholarships as Colgate, Fordham and Lehigh? My guess is no...

Lafayette is somewhere above 55 scholarships. Not sure of the exact number but it's not far from the max. Lafayette was bad because we had a terrible coaching situation and an AD who refused to do anything. Last time Lafayette had competent coaching they did quite well, and we will get back to that point again soon. Not sure why Bucknell can't get over the hump.

[RichH2]

Buckies are hard to figure. Susan's inability to recruit a top QB is certainly a major component.

[DFW HOYA]

As to the question of why the stands are not retained on the east side, there is talk that the soccer teams may have to be relocated to this facility if their land gets acquired for yet another building. If so, the field width has to expand and that's why this area is seen as turf on the drawings.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Newly-approved Cooper Field:


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Existing Cooper Field:


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That's not a lot of added value for the donor's $50 million contribution, IMHO.

[clenz]

That's what 50m gets you?

Uh. If you have 50m in donations you should do something better.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Here's what the D.C. Zoning Commission originally approved in October 2007:


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In a December 16, 2016 letter, D.C. Zoning Administrator Matthew Le Grand determined that the current, "modified" proposal with 1600 fewer seats, is "within the parameters of the Commission's original approval . . . and do[es] not require further zoning approval."

[PAllen]

As to the question of why the stands are not retained on the east side, there is talk that the soccer teams may have to be relocated to this facility if their land gets acquired for yet another building. If so, the field width has to expand and that's why this area is seen as turf on the drawings.

Don't they play above the gym on that new(ish) field that they openned with great fanfare a few years ago?

[Bogus Megapardus]

More . . .


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[Bogus Megapardus]

Basically, they'll be building this, plus a little landscaping:





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[F'N Hawks]

I was gonna say, new stands on home side and some trees. Took down the old stands. Planted grass and put up a fence.

[Bogus Megapardus]

The new and improved visitor's stands (made just for you, Ivy fans)!




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[DFW HOYA]

Don't they play above the gym on that new(ish) field that they openned with great fanfare a few years ago?

"Structural problems have plagued Kehoe Field since its construction in 1942 and then reconstruction on the roof of Yates Field House in 1979. The field was first repaired in 1987 at a cost of $1.8 million before being repaired again in 2002 for $7 million. The problems with the field stem from the concrete roof, which does not properly drain rainwater. Over time, the lightweight concrete roof deteriorated from pooling water, leading to unsafe field conditions. Prior to the field’s closing, club athletes had complained about uneven playing surfaces, exposed concrete and large sections of torn-up artificial turf."

http://www.thehoya.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/kehoe4.png


http://www.thehoya.com/university-idles-regarding-future-of-kehoe-field/

[Bogus Megapardus]

I'm satisfied that this proposal amounts to Georgetown giving a stiff middle finger to the "great unwashed" of the rest of the Patriot League. It confirms in no uncertain terms how they at 37th and O look at us.

It looks like there will be a brick or masonry wall behind the dirt/construction debris mound on which the Hoyas will require visitors and their families to sit. I think appropriate for PL game days would be a 40 foot long banner stretched along that wall, for all to see, returning the gesture in the very spirit in which it is given.

I'll get to work on some mock-ups.

[citdog]

It still makes me laugh that the JESUITS say THEIR college has money problems. That is RICH!!!

[Go Green]

"Structural problems have plagued Kehoe Field since its construction in 1942 and then reconstruction on the roof of Yates Field House in 1979. The field was first repaired in 1987 at a cost of $1.8 million before being repaired again in 2002 for $7 million. The problems with the field stem from the concrete roof, which does not properly drain rainwater. Over time, the lightweight concrete roof deteriorated from pooling water, leading to unsafe field conditions. Prior to the field’s closing, club athletes had complained about uneven playing surfaces, exposed concrete and large sections of torn-up artificial turf."

http://www.thehoya.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/kehoe4.png


http://www.thehoya.com/university-idles-regarding-future-of-kehoe-field/

Just to clarify, what you said about Kehoe Field applies equally to Shaw Field?

Or did I miss a step here?

[PAllen]

"Structural problems have plagued Kehoe Field since its construction in 1942 and then reconstruction on the roof of Yates Field House in 1979. The field was first repaired in 1987 at a cost of $1.8 million before being repaired again in 2002 for $7 million. The problems with the field stem from the concrete roof, which does not properly drain rainwater. Over time, the lightweight concrete roof deteriorated from pooling water, leading to unsafe field conditions. Prior to the field’s closing, club athletes had complained about uneven playing surfaces, exposed concrete and large sections of torn-up artificial turf."


http://www.thehoya.com/university-idles-regarding-future-of-kehoe-field/

Sorry, I meant on the hill just north of Kehoe. Looked it up: Shaw Field. It had a major renovation in 2012.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Georgetown has put a date on the never ending "Phase 2" of the Multi-Sport Facility project with an expansion in capacity from 2,400 to to 4,750 by the 2018 season.

From D.C. Zoning Administrator Matthew Le Grant's December 16, 2016 letter:


"[T]he facility will provide approximately 3,000 bleacher seats on the west side of the field and approximately 1,000 - 1,500 lawn seats, which is within the total amount of seating previously approved by the Commission."

Unless I'm mistaken, then, the actual seating will expand from 2,400 to only 3,000, not 4,740. That's $83,333.33 per additional seat. I'll bet even military contractor lawn chairs cost less.

[PAllen]

I was gonna say, new stands on home side and some trees. Took down the old stands. Planted grass and put up a fence.

Looks more like tearing down the old away bleachers to extend the turf to accommodate two rec fields ala Hopkins, building a brick facade around what is already on the home side, and planting some trees. .

[kdinva]

Someone needs to show "The Commission" photos of Montana's facility, or JMU's, or the Fargo Dome, or S. Dakota State's, or S. Carolina State's, or Liberty's, or Alabama State's, or a dozen others, and say: "this is what a nice, FCS level facility should look like...".

[citdog]

Someone needs to show "The Commission" photos of Montana's facility, or JMU's, or the Fargo Dome, or S. Dakota State's, or S. Carolina State's, or Liberty's, or Alabama State's, or a dozen others, and say: "this is what a nice, FCS level facility should look like...".

Less money would be available to recruit and graduate the likes of Allan Iverson or Patrick Ewing...

[Go Green]

Less money would be available to recruit and graduate the likes of Allan Iverson or Patrick Ewing...

Iverson didn't graduate.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Looks more like tearing down the old away bleachers to extend the turf to accommodate two rec fields ala Hopkins, building a brick facade around what is already on the home side, and planting some trees.

My guess is they'll glue some contractor-grade sheetrock to what's already there, wrap it in faux-brick vinyl, and call it an afternoon.

[cx500d]

The good news: For the first time in 13 years, Georgetown has put a date on the never ending "Phase 2" of the Multi-Sport Facility project with an expansion in capacity from 2,400 to to 4,750 by the 2018 season.

The bad news: if you're a fan of the other team used to sitting in the east side stands, bring a folding chair instead.

http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/cf_northeast.jpg


More details:
http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/football.htm

Very similar to the Allen city rec league fields.

[ngineer]

Will be like Monmouth and Fordham.

[Go...gate]

Iverson didn't graduate.

I don't think Michael Graham did, either.

[Go...gate]

No need-based team can compete in the PL anymore. If they could, why didn't Bucknell and Lafayette stay with aid packages?

I reluctantly agree, though I am rooting for GU to prove me wrong.

Finishing the stadium is a fine step in the right direction.

[Go...gate]

From D.C. Zoning Administrator Matthew Le Grant's December 16, 2016 letter:

"[T]he facility will provide approximately 3,000 bleacher seats on the west side of the field and approximately 1,000 - 1,500 lawn seats, which is within the total amount of seating previously approved by the Commission."

Unless I'm mistaken, then, the actual seating will expand from 2,400 to only 3,000, not 4,740. That's $83,333.33 per additional seat. I'll bet even military contractor lawn chairs cost less.

So total capacity will only be 3,000? I'm confused.

[Bogus Megapardus]

So total capacity will only be 3,000? I'm confused.

Me too. I'm going by what the D.C. Zoning Commission says was approved - which is 3,000 bleacher seats, plus another 1,000 to 1,500 standing or sitting on the grass.

Read here:

https://tinyurl.com/hlpqgbr

Here's "Exhibit A" to the letter:

https://tinyurl.com/zrezvdm

And here's "Exhibit B":

https://tinyurl.com/zzdck7n

[Go...gate]

Somebody call the POTUS. DC is HIS town now. He'll get the damn thing finished!

[ST_Lawson]

It still makes me laugh that the JESUITS say THEIR college has money problems. That is RICH!!!

Money problems?.....MONEY PROBLEMS?!?!

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[DFW HOYA]

I'm not sure who is claiming money problems. Georgetown runs a 29 sport athletic program and while football is the second highest sport by budget, it isn't #1 and everyone knows it. There's no revenue coming fin rom a temporary 2,400 seat facility that was built to last eight weeks and is still standing after 12 years.

The Copper gift was not all about a stadium and is likely one of those multi-year annuity gifts where cash is not always at hand. While there could be improvements, it's still a positive step forward.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Well, now I feel just terrible for poking fun at a fellow league member. I'm going to turn a new leaf and help out as best I can. And I have a Modest Proposal to start things off.

I agree that it is selfish and unwarranted for the fans of lesser institutions - those not deemed peers - to expect to be seated like regular people while attending a football game at Georgetown University. I propose, therefore, that fans of visiting Patriot League teams bring their own stadium. That's right - we can bring facilities with us.

Walmart sells this lovely four-tier, 27 foot long anodized aluminum bleacher section for $2,601.57:


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I propose that traveling PL fans ante up and buy ten of them to string together and place atop the mound of construction debris that is to become the visitor's side at Cooper Field. Each section seats seventy-two people, so ten of them stretched between the fives would hold 720 fans. For a total investment of 26,015.70, PL fans can enjoy the game in comfort without worrying about the tremendous financial burden they are placing on Georgetown's #2 athletic program.

The cost of this Modest Proposal comes out to $36 per additional game-day seat. The only additional costs would be hiring four guys and a U-Haul, I suppose - plus paying a code official to look the other way for an afternoon. That's considerably less than the eighty-three thousand dollars per seat Georgetown will be spending for its home guests, and visiting fans will never know the difference.

Your thoughts?

[DFW HOYA]

If this is such a quandary, the PL could simply mandate a minimum 7,000 seats to host home games and force GU to barnstorm all its league games on the road. Extra home games for everyone!

Absent that kind of abject nonsense, there will likely be seats on the west side on sale for Leopard fans young and old.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Leopard fans young and old.

It's the bald and fat that concern me most. xdrunkyx

[ngineer]

Well, now I feel just terrible for poking fun at a fellow league member. I'm going to turn a new leaf and help out as best I can. And I have a Modest Proposal to start things off.

I agree that it is selfish and unwarranted for the fans of lesser institutions - those not deemed peers - to expect to be seated like regular people while attending a football game at Georgetown University. I propose, therefore, that fans of visiting Patriot League teams bring their own stadium. That's right - we can bring facilities with us.

Walmart sells this lovely four-tier, 27 foot long anodized aluminum bleacher section for $2,601.57:

http://i66.tinypic.com/210yvrt.jpg

I propose that traveling PL fans ante up and buy ten of them to string together and place atop the mound of construction debris that is to become the visitor's side at Cooper Field. Each section seats seventy-two people, so ten of them stretched between the fives would hold 720 fans. For a total investment of 26,015.70, PL fans can enjoy the game in comfort without worrying about the tremendous financial burden they are placing on Georgetown's #2 athletic program.

The cost of this Modest Proposal comes out to $36 per additional game-day seat. The only additional costs would be hiring four guys and a U-Haul, I suppose - plus paying a code official to look the other way for an afternoon. That's considerably less than the eighty-three thousand dollars per seat Georgetown will be spending for its home guests, and visiting fans will never know the difference.

Your thoughts?

Good start. I think we could get some engineering going and add an upper deck!

[Bogus Megapardus]

Good start. I think we could get some engineering going and add an upper deck!

Recall the multi-level facility we proposed several years ago. The Hoyas rejected it without explanation, apparently viewing it as some sort of cruel joke.



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For the life of me, I can't imagine why.

[CHIP72]

So, where exactly are those extra fans going to park for games? That parking garage south of the field isn't exactly spacious.


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[CHIP72]

Someone needs to show "The Commission" photos of Montana's facility, or JMU's, or the Fargo Dome, or S. Dakota State's, or S. Carolina State's, or Liberty's, or Alabama State's, or a dozen others, and say: "this is what a nice, FCS level facility should look like...".

Georgetown can go to other schools in the Patriot League (such as Lehigh or Lafayette) or drive a short distance up the road to Towson, to see a quality FCS stadium


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[centraljerseycat]

I realize it's not the 1960's anymore but it is a damn shame Gettysburg and Franklin Marshall want no part of moving up to FCS to play in the Patriot League. Those are two schools in the league's footprint that offer great academics and would allow the league to give Georgetown the heave ho for lack of interest in football.

[DFW HOYA]

Those are two schools in the league's footprint that offer great academics and would allow the league to give Georgetown the heave ho for lack of interest in football.

It's not a lack of interest but a lack of interest in spending $5M a year to finish last in a one/two bid league.

[Bogus Megapardus]

It's not a lack of interest but a lack of interest in spending $5M a year to finish last in a one/two bid league.

Lafayette spends far more than that to finish last in a one/two bid league. And when Georgetown decided to join, the PL didn't permit any post-season participation. On that front, at least, the Hoyas are getting exactly what they bargained for.

[BucBisonAtLarge]

So, where exactly are those extra fans going to park for games? That parking garage south of the field isn't exactly spacious.


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Metro just raised its base fare to $2.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Metro just raised its base fare to $2.

Still cheap . . . if only you could get to Georgetown on the Metro. Which you can't. Not even close. xsmhx

You have to hoof it from Foggy Bottom or Dupont Circle, or over the bridge from Arlington. I hear the Georgetown upper crust like it that way. They think the PL hoi polloi will get lost and not even bother. xrolleyesx

[PAllen]

I realize it's not the 1960's anymore but it is a damn shame Gettysburg and Franklin Marshall want no part of moving up to FCS to play in the Patriot League. Those are two schools in the league's footprint that offer great academics and would allow the league to give Georgetown the heave ho for lack of interest in football.

and two schools with significant history (although ancient at this point) with many PL schools. Rensellear would be another great add.

[PAllen]

Metro just raised its base fare to $2.

You clearly haven't taken Metro in the last 20 years.

[Bogus Megapardus]

You clearly haven't taken Metro in the last 20 years.

IIRC, the fare varies a lot depending on how far you're going, the time of day, and your political affiliation.

[centraljerseycat]

I don't mean to pick on Georgetown. You guys have enough problems in your bread and butter sport regarding the inability to fire JT3 for fear of pissing off the old man. I don't envy that situation.

[PAllen]

IIRC, the fare varies a lot depending on how far you're going, the time of day, and your political affiliation.

If you are inner city DC riding the bus, your fare is dirt cheap. If you ride Metro it's a bit higher. The farther out you get on or off, and the more republican the voting area you are coming from/going to, the higher the fare. Those "rich white people from the suburbs" (actual quote from a Metro board member a few years ago), have to pay a significantly higher rate, than those "poor" folks who get on at the next stop.

[PAllen]

If you are inner city DC riding the bus, your fare is dirt cheap. If you ride Metro it's a bit higher. The farther out you get on or off, and the more republican the voting area you are coming from/going to, the higher the fare. Those "rich white people from the suburbs" (actual quote from a Metro board member a few years ago), have to pay a significantly higher rate, than those "poor" folks who get on at the next stop.

Every Metro announcement on fares, safety, repairs, services, etc. has been commonly met with the same response: DC Metro - continuing to make driving the faster, safer, cheaper option.

[Go Green]

I don't mean to pick on Georgetown. You guys have enough problems in your bread and butter sport regarding the inability to fire JT3 for fear of pissing off the old man. I don't envy that situation.

You could help by winning less.

My sense among the Georgetown faithful is that they genuinely like JTIII. But he chose the wrong time to have back-to-back losing seasons while Villanova is out there winning national titles. Very difficult for Georgetown to stomach....

[Go...gate]

I realize it's not the 1960's anymore but it is a damn shame Gettysburg and Franklin Marshall want no part of moving up to FCS to play in the Patriot League. Those are two schools in the league's footprint that offer great academics and would allow the league to give Georgetown the heave ho for lack of interest in football.

Agreed. I have always thought Gettysburg would be an excellent fit in the PL.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Agreed. I have always thought Gettysburg would be an excellent fit in the PL.

Gettysburg had every opportunity to jump on board back in the day. But if they now want to take over for Georgetown, they'll have to pare down their D-III stadium. It's too nice.




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[Bogus Megapardus]

Same goes for Rensselaer, whose current D-III stadium thoroughly outshines the facility proposed for Georgetown's #2 athletic program:




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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Same goes for Rensselaer, whose current D-III stadium thoroughly outshines the facility proposed for Georgetown's #2 athletic program:



http://i66.tinypic.com/2qwncrd.jpg


I love Rensselaer! Great campus! A close friend of mine has a great administrative role with the school. As a result I've spent quite a bit of time on campus when I visit him. The stadium is really nice! As is the athletic complex that it's part of.

[ngineer]

Don't have a pic available, but I also recall U of Rochester had a nice football stadium back when my daughter took a visit there. Very tough for a D-III to move up to D-I since I think all sports have to follow, no? I thought a school could not divide sports between divisions (with a few who were grandfathered when that took effect, i.e. Johns Hopkins in lax and F&M in wrestling).

[cx500d]

Don't have a pic available, but I also recall U of Rochester had a nice football stadium back when my daughter took a visit there. Very tough for a D-III to move up to D-I since I think all sports have to follow, no? I thought a school could not divide sports between divisions (with a few who were grandfathered when that took effect, i.e. Johns Hopkins in lax and F&M in wrestling).

A lot of the Hockey schools are in this boat. D1 Hockey, D2 or less for everything else.

[ngineer]

Agreed. I have always thought Gettysburg would be an excellent fit in the PL.

Both schools fit the academic footprint of the Patriot League, but I doubt have the stomach for the necessary additional expense involved with athletics.

[clenz]

Don't have a pic available, but I also recall U of Rochester had a nice football stadium back when my daughter took a visit there. Very tough for a D-III to move up to D-I since I think all sports have to follow, no? I thought a school could not divide sports between divisions (with a few who were grandfathered when that took effect, i.e. Johns Hopkins in lax and F&M in wrestling).
There are a couple who were grandfathered in from the Dayton rule getting put in place, and it's exclusively in "niche" sports.

I don't know why they were allowed too, other than money/name recognition. Based on what I remember when I was looking at non-D1s playing non-D1 sports it seemed like they are all schools that would still have an incredibly unfair advantage in that niche sport based on resources. One could argue that Johns Hopkins at the D3 level goes on a UCONN womens basketball type run. All schools that have this type of waiver (D2 declined to be a part of it) have to be approved by an oversight committee, and I believe they are reviewed from every so often. D3s that play D1 sports must follow the stricter set of bylaws, which mean they are playing D1 but following D3 recruiting/roster/financial aid rules.

[Bill]

T D3s that play D1 sports must follow the stricter set of bylaws, which mean they are playing D1 but following D3 recruiting/roster/financial aid rules.

Clenz,

Are you sure you mean that? I'm pretty sure Hopkins has the full array of lacrosse scholarships, following the rules with the rest of the Big Ten!

[Bogus Megapardus]

Clenz,

Are you sure you mean that? I'm pretty sure Hopkins has the full array of lacrosse scholarships, following the rules with the rest of the Big Ten!

Some do and some don't. Hopkins was grandfathered in lacrosse. They have a full compliment of MLax and WLax scholarships. Hobart, by contrast, was not grandfathered. Hobart plays a DI lacrosse schedule but they have to play under DIII scholarship and recruiting rules.

RPI was grandfathered in hockey so they have the full array of scholarships. Crosstown rival Union College was not grandfathered. Union plays DI hockey under DIII rules, without scholarships - and they've even made it to the Frozen Four.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Don't have a pic available, but I also recall U of Rochester had a nice football stadium back when my daughter took a visit there.




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[kdinva]

Anyone from Chuck South looking in?


Same goes for Rensselaer, whose current D-III stadium thoroughly outshines the facility proposed for Georgetown's #2 athletic program:



http://i66.tinypic.com/2qwncrd.jpg

[ngineer]

Nice pic Bogey. It's been 20 years since I took that trip to Rochester and was up above the stadium to the left in the pic, but I do recall a good sized grandstand and brickwork on the facade to the rear. Looks the same. don't recall if they had visitor stands, but still much better than the MSF at G'town. If Hoyas get a home stand like this, visitors will take up half the seats as we had more on the visitors side last year than were on the home side. Can be a downer for a team when the visitors have more in the stands.

[GodHelpTheBears]

Same goes for Rensselaer, whose current D-III stadium thoroughly outshines the facility proposed for Georgetown's #2 athletic program:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2qwncrd.jpg


RPI actually sent me stuff when I was in high school. However, I was an unreformed hillbilly of the rural Ozarks and had no idea what "RPI" was. I thought it was for-profit, like Phoenix or DeVry. xlolx

[DFW HOYA]

If Hoyas get a home stand like this, visitors will take up half the seats as we had more on the visitors side last year than were on the home side. Can be a downer for a team when the visitors have more in the stands.

Yes, it's a "downer" when you've had 15 losing seasons in 16 years and no realistic hope for fans to expect anything to change unless the Hoyas join the NEC or go independent. That doesn't sell tickets.

[Sader87]

We coulda been in the Big East btw....

[bostonspider]

Loyola and Hopkins both have nice stadiums..

http://www.sasaki.com/media/files/15campusloyolaridley-athletic-complex.jpg

http://api.hub.jhu.edu/factory/sites/default/files/styles/landscape/public/stadium_0.jpg?itok=suSncIPG

[citdog]

No basketball tourney this year for Georgetown. Isn't this the 2nd year in a row? JTIII going to be fired?

[CHIP72]

Nice pic Bogey. It's been 20 years since I took that trip to Rochester and was up above the stadium to the left in the pic, but I do recall a good sized grandstand and brickwork on the facade to the rear. Looks the same. don't recall if they had visitor stands, but still much better than the MSF at G'town. If Hoyas get a home stand like this, visitors will take up half the seats as we had more on the visitors side last year than were on the home side. Can be a downer for a team when the visitors have more in the stands.

I've seen Lehigh play at Georgetown three times (2010, 2012, 2016), and I think Lehigh may have had more fans at the games than Georgetown did each time. The most balanced crowd percentage-wise was probably this past year's crowd (which was also the smallest of the three crowds).

[CHIP72]

If you are inner city DC riding the bus, your fare is dirt cheap. If you ride Metro it's a bit higher. The farther out you get on or off, and the more republican the voting area you are coming from/going to, the higher the fare. Those "rich white people from the suburbs" (actual quote from a Metro board member a few years ago), have to pay a significantly higher rate, than those "poor" folks who get on at the next stop.

The bus fares in the DC area are the same regardless of the system provider (WMATA, RideOn, Fairfax Connector, etc.) and route location, with one exception - the lower-cost DC Circulator (which ironically largely caters to a relatively affluent, white demographic, albeit one that predominantly isn't Republican).

[CHIP72]

No basketball tourney this year for Georgetown. Isn't this the 2nd year in a row? JTIII going to be fired?

As long as JT2 is around, probably not.

I've respected JT3 for many years, going back to his time as the head coach at Princeton, where I thought he did an excellent job. (By contrast, I really dislike JT2.) But JT3's concepts and recruiting, which work well at a school like Princeton, don't cut it at a program like Georgetown.

[Go Green]

As long as JT2 is around, probably not.



Most agree that even if JTIII gets one more year, that's all he will get.

Anyone who wants to read more (i.e., pretty much everything that's been said), here's a link to the articles.

http://www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/9/14866452/georgetown-hoyas-jt3-coaching-change-john-thompson-iii

[Go Green]

Should also add that if Princeton's Mitch Henderson gets a promotion, the Tigers may have an opening. They like JTIII and wouldn't mind him back. Also allows him to save face going back to his alma mater where he was happy.

Everyone wins.

[ngineer]

Loyola and Hopkins both have nice stadiums..

http://www.sasaki.com/media/files/15campusloyolaridley-athletic-complex.jpg

http://api.hub.jhu.edu/factory/sites/default/files/styles/landscape/public/stadium_0.jpg?itok=suSncIPG

Very nice. Loyola now a "full sport" member of the Patriot League, but I've heard nothing of any interest in adding football. JHU has been bandied about for many years as a potential PL member of the future. They do have decent D-III football program from what I know. Their lacrosse is D-I via grandfather clause, so I doubt they could join PL in football unless all sports would move up. Doubtful, but sure would be a nice nearby rival for the Hoyas.

[PAllen]

Very nice. Loyola now a "full sport" member of the Patriot League, but I've heard nothing of any interest in adding football. JHU has been bandied about for many years as a potential PL member of the future. They do have decent D-III football program from what I know. Their lacrosse is D-I via grandfather clause, so I doubt they could join PL in football unless all sports would move up. Doubtful, but sure would be a nice nearby rival for the Hoyas.

No chance for JHU. Basketball plays in a gym that most elementary schools outclass. Wrestling, well, same place, but that would most likely be dropped. Loyola adding football could be in the cards, but I doubt it based on the current legal/political environment around concussions and other injuries.

[Anthony215]

Loyola adding FCS level football probably would be a waste of money. Think about it Morgan State is already in Baltimore, Towson is a few miles north, Georgetown & Howard is in DC. No need in having a 5th FCS school in the region when VA has 4 FBS programs (UVA, Liberty, ODU & V-Tech), 5 FCS (NSU, JMU, Hampton, Richmond, VMI & W&M).

[DFW HOYA]

Loyola adding FCS level football probably would be a waste of money. Think about it Morgan State is already in Baltimore, Towson is a few miles north, Georgetown & Howard is in DC. No need in having a 5th FCS school in the region when VA has 4 FBS programs (UVA, Liberty, ODU & V-Tech), 5 FCS (NSU, JMU, Hampton, Richmond, VMI & W&M).

It's not about need, but interest. Football takes a distinct back seat in Baltimore County to lacrosse and Loyola has historically shown a mixed interest in athletics (no Patriot League pun intended).

An repeatable truth: the PL has no true expansion candidates given its business model. It won't seriously address the issue unless (and until) Georgetown leaves for the NEC or Fordham gets a call from the CAA.

[Bucs2016]

Football takes a distinct back seat in Baltimore County to lacrosse

Best way to make me never want to live in a place? That quote right there haha. Substitute lacrosse with any other sport and it remains the same.

Football takes a back seat to NO SPORT...or I just cant live there!! God bless the South!

[UIWWildthing]

Football takes a distinct back seat in Baltimore County to lacrosse.

Truer words haven't been spoken. Lacrosse is HUGE around here (even have the Lacrosse Hall of Fame on Hopkins' campus), and Loyola has always been a "lacrosse school", with a national title to boot. Also, I can't ever see the Hounds adding football. Not sure if they would want the expense.

[kdinva]

No basketball tourney this year for Georgetown. Isn't this the 2nd year in a row? JTIII going to be fired?

YES.

https://hoopdirt.com/john-thompson-iii-dismissed-head-basketball-coach-georgetown/