Campbell U. Announcement

[Model Citizen]

Stay tuned for probable exit from the Pioneer. Details Monday...

http://gocamels.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/20161110qkof0m

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Hmmm...headed to the Big South?

[Model Citizen]

Yes, of course.

[TheKingpin28]

Stay tuned for probable exit from the Pioneer. Details Monday...

http://gocamels.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/20161110qkof0m

They creating a web app?

[dudeitsaid]

They creating a web app?

Their moving up to the NFL.

[CappinHard]

Are they still going to be making soup? I'm a big fan of their classics... Tomato, chicken noodle, the good stuff.

[Laker]

Are they still going to be making soup? I'm a big fan of their classics... Tomato, chicken noodle, the good stuff.

Bean and bacon rules. Tomato bisque too.

[CappinHard]

Bean and bacon rules. Tomato bisque too.

I forgot to mention vegetable beef. I could eat that stuff without even warming it up.

[TheKingpin28]

Their moving up to the NFL.

Man, I had my money on SHSU and that Air-Raid offense. I mean they pretty much already won the NC.

[Model Citizen]

Campbell president actually promised this over a year ago, but did not specify the date of the move. So we'll get the complete answer next week.

Just as important for the PFL is who is not making a big football announcement.

[Professor Chaos]

Scholarship Fightin' Camels on the gridiron? It's a can't miss!

[Schism55]

LOL gun to my head I couldn't swear whether or not this is an actual real college :D

[Go...gate]

Are they still going to be making soup? I'm a big fan of their classics... Tomato, chicken noodle, the good stuff.

Cream of Mushroom...

[bonarae]

Kidding aside, could they become a Presbyterian or a Lamar in the making? xconfusedx xeyebrowx

[walliver]

Maybe they should change the name of the football conference to the Big Evangelical Football League. Kennesaw State would be the token heathens.:D

[PantherRob82]

Are they announcing that if they wanted to move to scholarship that they could join the Big South? xlolx

[Daytripper]

Man, I had my money on SHSU and that Air-Raid offense. I mean they pretty much already won the NC.

We are waiting for an invite to the AFC west. You know, for the strength of schedule.

[SU DOG]

Campbell will NOT be a joke. Look at the recent additions to their athletic facilities(especially the football stadium), their attendance numbers in football, and who their Athletic Director is. Bob Roller was a dynamo at Samford before family issues forced him to get nearer to home. Campbell, with scholarships, will quickly be a force to contend with in the Big South. This is a move that just makes sense. I bet that the conference is elated to add another team for football, especially since Campbell is already in with everything else, and is in the geographical footprint. If that is the announcement(duh) CONGRATS Campbell.

[ASU33]

Congrats Campbell!xbowx

[PurpleStreamers]

Campbell will NOT be a joke. Look at the recent additions to their athletic facilities(especially the football stadium), their attendance numbers in football, and who their Athletic Director is. Bob Roller was a dynamo at Samford before family issues forced him to get nearer to home. Campbell, with scholarships, will quickly be a force to contend with in the Big South. This is a move that just makes sense. I bet that the conference is elated to add another team for football, especially since Campbell is already in with everything else, and is in the geographical footprint. If that is the announcement(duh) CONGRATS Campbell.

Completely agree. Buies Creek has rapidly gone from backwater to Raleigh suburb and Campbell will continue riding that wave. Also good news for schools like Elon/WCU/JMU/WM to have another solid OOC opponent locally in an area they all recruit heavily.

[CappinHard]

Cream of Mushroom...

Err mah gerrd. Talk soupy to me.

[NDB]

Does this open up a spot for NDSU? Have to think they'd be interested given that strength of schedule doesn't count for JACK SH#T.

[Laker]

Campbell is joining the Big 12. At least that is the story today. By Monday, the Big 12 will have changed their mind- again.

[TheKingpin28]

We are waiting for an invite to the AFC west. You know, for the strength of schedule.

I was going to say AFC South. Switch Indy to the AFC North (where they belong) and drop Cleveland to something else.

[caribbeanhen]

Alabison moving along to the Big 12 and the Rhinestone Cowboy moves into the MVFC...Yes

[hebmskebm]

This local sports anchor seemingly confirms it:

https://twitter.com/jgravleyWRAL/status/797135334375096320

[DFW HOYA]

This local sports anchor seemingly confirms it:

https://twitter.com/jgravleyWRAL/status/797135334375096320

Another school missing out on the Patriot League... xlolx

[Sandlapper Spike]

I wonder if Campbell will also be adding a couple more women's teams to "balance" out the scholarships (Title IX considerations).

[melloware13]

When will they start Big South play? I imagine that if they have one scholarship they're out of the PFL, but if they ramp up to full scholarship it'll take a few years to be on par with the Big South.

[van]

they should catch Presby and Monmouth pretty quick

[kdinva]

I wonder if Campbell will also be adding a couple more women's teams to "balance" out the scholarships (Title IX considerations).

...or expand their stadium? Site says it seats 5,000.........looks like about 6,000, IMO.

http://gocamels.com/facilities/Barker-LaneStadiumPhotos/index#PhotoSwipe1478903095427

[PantherRob82]

Better to be full than large.

[kdinva]

Better to be full than large.

agree....but if demand dictates it......they'll be hosting, every other season, Liberty, Chuck South......instead of Valpo, Stetson, et al...

[PantherRob82]

agree....but if demand dictates it......they'll be hosting, every other season, Liberty, Chuck South......instead of Valpo, Stetson, et al...

Do either of those teams travel well?

[BucBisonAtLarge]

There are a few measures for Title IX. Participation opportunities (varsity sport slots) must resemble the school's gender composition. They already have football, so they should not have to add women's teams. They should have them in place. The existing teams they will now get to distribute scholarships equal to the ones being added for men. Bucknell's women's programs have really benefitted from the scholarships added to offset the football scholarships.

[kdinva]

Do either of those teams travel well?

Liberty will/should....under 4 hours drive, as is Chuck South.

[PantherRob82]

Liberty will/should....under 4 hours drive, as is Chuck South.

Illinois State and Western Illinois are both under 4 hours from UNI and bring hardly anyone. NDSU is like 7 hours and brings thousands.

I get Liberty, but does Chuck South even draw at home?

[ElCid]

Illinois State and Western Illinois are both under 4 hours from UNI and bring hardly anyone. NDSU is like 7 hours and brings thousands.

I get Liberty, but does Chuck South even draw at home?

It is strange how certain teams travel well. The best travel fans in the SOCON use to be App St. Ga So never traveled very well to Charleston, which was surprising. Now, I am not sure who is best but I bet it is The Citadel, especially this year. Never seen a big number of Samford fans in Charleston which is understandable. Not many Wofford or WCU or Mercer fans though. VMI was ok, but that might be due to the military folks stationed near by. Furman is ok. UTC was ok. But when I went to WCU this year, there were huge numbers of Bulldog fan up in Cullowhee. Lots went to the Wofford and N Greenville games as well, but they are both fairly close by.

Maybe we need a traveling fans thread. With NDSU's success, it is pretty easy to see why they travel well.

[walliver]

It is strange how certain teams travel well. The best travel fans in the SOCON use to be App St. Ga So never traveled very well to Charleston, which was surprising. ...

Interestingly, Georgia Southern always travelled much better to Sparkle City than App State, even though Appy is much closer. Possibly this was due to many GSU fans living in the Atlanta area. Furman used to travel well, back when they had a decent team, but crowds have been down lately. Other than the Citadel, few SoCon teams travel well, and I don't know how well the Citadel travels outside of South Carolina.

My guess is that Campbell's stadium will be more than adequate. It's already larger than CSU's.

[Go...gate]

Congratulations to Campbell and the Big South!

[ST_Lawson]

Illinois State and Western Illinois are both under 4 hours from UNI and bring hardly anyone. NDSU is like 7 hours and brings thousands.

Hell, we can barely get "thousands" to show up for a home game. I swear that 3/4 of the students don't even know we have a football team.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Great for the Big South. Also, impacts on the PFL are limited, who go from an unwieldy 11 team conference to a 10 team one.

There's your Missouri Valley impact - more OOC opportunities from Butler and Valpo to help strength of schedule! xlolx

The other interesting aspect is whether 1-2 more PFL teams (Jacksonville? Stetson?) take this same path to the Big South, while the PFL could add some more non-scholarship teams (Detroit? Florida-Gulf Coast?) to replace them. It seems like a good relationship for now.

[Redbird007]

Illinois State and Western Illinois are both under 4 hours from UNI and bring hardly anyone. NDSU is like 7 hours and brings thousands.

I get Liberty, but does Chuck South even draw at home?

Willingness to go somewhere also depends on where one is coming from. Put UNI 4 hours south of ISU / WIU and both teams would travel much better to Uni. At least that is my poor ass excuse and I am sticking with it.

[dgtw]

Are they going to add scholarships or just announcing they have a new app?


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[Model Citizen]

The other interesting aspect is whether 1-2 more PFL teams (Jacksonville? Stetson?) take this same path to the Big South, while the PFL could add some more non-scholarship teams (Detroit? Florida-Gulf Coast?) to replace them. It seems like a good relationship for now.

Seems like all those possibilities have been considered and rejected at this point.

Morehead State may be the next to leave the PFL, although their athletic director is quite fond of his low football budget.

[dgtw]

Seems like all those possibilities have been considered and rejected at this point.

Morehead State may be the next to leave the PFL, although their athletic director is quite fond of his low football budget.

Do you have some insight about Morehead or just speculating? That would give the OVC ten teams.


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[Model Citizen]

Speculation. The AD admitted on a radio show that they have been discussing a return to the OVC. But they have made no decision to act at this point.

[Model Citizen]

(response to a question that was deleted)

I would ask whether the Patriot has any interest in Marist. Never seen any indication of that.

[DFW HOYA]

There's no growth curve in the Pioneer. If you're a school with a football conference, you want to play there. If it's not a football conference, there's less incentive to add a program into a league with such disparately aligned schools (San Diego, Stetson, Marist).

The southern flank of the Pioneer will continue to erode, and the NEC may eventually be the home for Marist that the PL is not. At that point, the Pioneer is back to a 6-7 team setup.

[Bucs2016]

Campbell will NOT be a joke. Look at the recent additions to their athletic facilities(especially the football stadium), their attendance numbers in football, and who their Athletic Director is. Bob Roller was a dynamo at Samford before family issues forced him to get nearer to home. Campbell, with scholarships, will quickly be a force to contend with in the Big South. This is a move that just makes sense. I bet that the conference is elated to add another team for football, especially since Campbell is already in with everything else, and is in the geographical footprint. If that is the announcement(duh) CONGRATS Campbell.

Well said. Some FCS fans make the mistake of underestimating these newer programs in the South. The South is absolutely bursting with D1 football talent in the high schools. These newer programs can get really good really quick.

Campbell would be a good addition to Big South football. And that conference is doing WELL. Look no further than how the last few years it has been beating up on the mighty SoCon with surprising regularity.

[Sandlapper Spike]

Well said. Some FCS fans make the mistake of underestimating these newer programs in the South. The South is absolutely bursting with D1 football talent in the high schools. These newer programs can get really good really quick.

Campbell would be a good addition to Big South football. And that conference is doing WELL. Look no further than how the last few years it has been beating up on the mighty SoCon with surprising regularity.

1-4 this season against the SoCon.

[CID1990]

1-4 this season against the SoCon.

LAWL


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[aceinthehole]

(response to a question that was deleted)

I would ask whether the Patriot has any interest in Marist. Never seen any indication of that.

Not sure why my post was deleted, but I was posing the question if Marist was considering adding scholarships and seek membership in the NEC or PL

[MontanaVandal]

For all we know the Sun Belt gave them an invite because the SBC cant get its **** together.

Campbell is joining the Big 12. At least that is the story today. By Monday, the Big 12 will have changed their mind- again.

[Model Citizen]

There's no growth curve in the Pioneer. If you're a school with a football conference, you want to play there. ]

And eventually, Morehead will leave. The other schools are fine in the PFL, because they don't want to offer scholarships. No other conference options for them.

[BisoNick]

Congrats Campbell!xbowx

Campbell's (chicken noodle) Possibilities!


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[Bucs2016]

1-4 this season against the SoCon.

"Last few years"....

[Go...gate]

Not sure why my post was deleted, but I was posing the question if Marist was considering adding scholarships and seek membership in the NEC or PL

I didn't see your earlier post, but I certainly believe it would warrant serious consideration by the PL.

Bogus Megapardus and I have often suggested Marist as an additional all-sports member, They would be a much better fit than Loyola.

[Go...gate]

(response to a question that was deleted)

I would ask whether the Patriot has any interest in Marist. Never seen any indication of that.

I believe the PL should have some interest in Marist, especially if they were to consider some form of equivalencies or scholarships.

[Bluefish845]

Marist to the PL in 2020, already in the works.

[Model Citizen]

Marist to the PL in 2020, already in the works.

Where R U hearing this?

[CSUBucsFan]

1-4 this season against the SoCon.

Citadel passed on playing Charleston Southern this year and next year.

[Sandlapper Spike]

No, Charleston Southern passed on playing The Citadel this year and next year, but agreed to play again in 2018.

[CSU18]

No, Charleston Southern passed on playing The Citadel this year and next year, but agreed to play again in 2018.

False statement - CSU wanted a home/home. Citadel refused.

[Sandlapper Spike]

Not false in the least. Charleston Southern could have played, but passed because it was still angling for a home and home it was never going to get. Then someone in its department of athletics came to his senses.

[citdog]

Citadel passed on playing Charleston Southern this year and next year.

false. Just not playing in that dump you call a football stadium. Should be called "AL PARISH FIELD"

[CID1990]

False statement - CSU wanted a home/home. Citadel refused.

CSU said it was home/home or they weren't playing. The Citadel didn't refuse anything. We simply said we weren't playing in Ladson where less than 3000 people can actually see the game without bringing a cherry picker.

You can deny that all you want, but notice that suddenly we are playing in 2018 and beyond - in JHS. If the school somehow didn't want to play CSU, then we wouldn't play CSU.

You guys really need to quit drinking your own kool aid.


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[FlamingHot]

Campbell is joining the Big South starting in 2018.

[DFW HOYA]

Just confirmed at the press conference: 63 scholarships and the Big South in 2018.

[Laker]

Campbell is joining the Big South starting in 2018.

http://www.campbell.edu/news/item/fighting-camels-football-to-join-big-south-in-2018

[Twentysix]

Cool, good for the big south. They need a few more teams imo.

[Go...gate]

Marist to the PL in 2020, already in the works.

Have not heard this anywhere. Last time Marist was in the discussion, they advised that they were not interested.

[Bluefish845]

Where R U hearing this?

a friend heard it from someone in athletic dept. I trust the friend.

[Libertine]

Just confirmed at the press conference: 63 scholarships and the Big South in 2018.


http://www.campbell.edu/news/item/fighting-camels-football-to-join-big-south-in-2018

The Fighting Camels will also move toward the full NCAA Football Championship Subdivision scholarship allotment (63) after a decade in the non-athletic scholarship PFL.

I think "toward" is the operative word here. CU had been trying to do the "leadership scholarship" model that San Diego and Jacksonville used so successfully but never managed more than a handful of those by which I mean less than ten. There's also the fact that, by NCAA rule (Bylaw 15.5.6), an FCS program can't add more than 30 "counters" (ie., scholarship players) in a given year.

My point is that CU won't be at 63 scholarships in 2018 and the soonest they could get to the full 63 would be 2020. It's too bad that they don't do winter intensives because they might have gotten a few guys in under the wire for 2016-2017 and maybe had the full 63 in 2019. I suppose they still could get some scholarship transfers at the mid-year.

While they are playing a Pioneer schedule next year, I would assume that they will be doing so with at least some scholarship players and, therefore, would be ineligible for the PFL title.

[dbackjon]

I think "toward" is the operative word here. CU had been trying to do the "leadership scholarship" model that San Diego and Jacksonville used so successfully but never managed more than a handful of those by which I mean less than ten. There's also the fact that, by NCAA rule (Bylaw 15.5.6), an FCS program can't add more than 30 "counters" (ie., scholarship players) in a given year.

My point is that CU won't be at 63 scholarships in 2018 and the soonest they could get to the full 63 would be 2020. It's too bad that they don't do winter intensives because they might have gotten a few guys in under the wire for 2016-2017 and maybe had the full 63 in 2019. I suppose they still could get some scholarship transfers at the mid-year.

While they are playing a Pioneer schedule next year, I would assume that they will be doing so with at least some scholarship players and, therefore, would be ineligible for the PFL title.


Or they could offer schollies to a bunch of freshman and then redshirt them next year.

[DFW HOYA]

The PFL takes a dim view of any scholarships. Just as likely, Campbell goes independent in 2017.

Next out? Morehead, Stetson, Jacksonville...

[Catamount87]

At lunch today one of the local tv stations had "Camels move up to FCS" as the title in a graphic. A couple of us at lunch got a pretty good laugh about how clearly the station sports staff knew less about college football than local casual college sports fans.

[clenz]

Campbell got games scheduled for next year?

Please call UNI AD David Harris at your earliest convenience. We'll help fund a few scholarships.

[bonarae]

The PFL takes a dim view of any scholarships. Just as likely, Campbell goes independent in 2017.

Next out? Morehead, Stetson, Jacksonville...

Within 5 years? Probably none.