Post playoff team rankings.

[awBison]

What is your final ranking of teams?
I'll take a shot at the top 5:

1). NDSU
2). JSU
3). UNI
4). Chattanooga
5). Sam Houston (despite them playing a really bad game).

I think 3&4 would have been a nearly evenly matched in a game and could
go either way. Both very strong teams. That would have been a fun game to watch.
In fact I'm not convinced that UNI wouldn't be able to
take JSU if they had a really strong day and JSU had a weak day.

I wish we got to see some more of these matchups once in a while just
to see how the top teams play each other. It is really tough to judge the
relative strengths of different teams when they never get to play each other.
Kinda have to just go by conference playoff histories and try to guess from there.

[JSUSoutherner]

1.) JSU
2.) NDSU
3.) Chattanooga
4.)UNI
5.) Richmond

[BisonFan02]

TBD.......way too soon.

[Professor Chaos]

NDSU and JSU are and will be 1 and 2. In what order we'll find out on the field.

After that I'd say Richmond, Illinois St, Chatty and Chuck South deserve consideration for the top 5.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I was really impressed with Charleston Southern. If JSU plays well in the title game they'll end up in my Top 5. I think UNI deserves consideration.

I'll likely have SHSU around 8-10. They're good but they benefited a bit by some favorable matchups. McNeese got screwed a bit imo by having to face them a second time. The rematches in the playoffs this year sucked in general...

[awBison]

TBD.......way too soon.
What more is there to determine? We pretty much know how everyone matched up except NDSU and JSU as good as we are going to know.
Even if there happens to be a blowout either way in the championship game I'm not sure that it would change the overall rankings of the
other teams a whole lot. I don't think I'd put SDSU in the top 5. Or any other team. McNeese and ISU are really tough to tell for me.
Did they just have bad games or where they just over-rated? I'm thinking they just had bad games but who knows. SDSU did beat them
late in the year but then again we got beat by USD so who really knows. I'd probably put ISU at 6 and McNeese at 7.

1). NDSU
2). JSU
3). UNI
4). Chattanooga
5). Sam Houston (despite them playing a really bad game).
6). ISU
7). McNeese
8). Charleston Southern
9). Richmond
10). Montana? SDSU?

I think Richmond had one of the more talented teams skill wise but they just didn't have the
size and strength to match up.

[BisonTru]

Here's my five minutes of effort... so like most weeks.:D



1
Jacksonville St



2
North Dakota St


3
Northern Iowa


4
Chattanooga


5

Charleston S


6
Richmond


7
Illinois St


8
The Citadel


9
South Dakota St


10
Sam Houston


11
Portland St



12
Montana



13
Western Ill



14
Southern Utah



15
McNeese St



16
William & Mary



17
Coastal Carolina



18
Fordham



19
James Madison



20
Colgate



21
Western Carolina



22
Youngstown St



23
Eastern Ill



24
South Dakota



25
Villanova

[Lehigh'98]

What more is there to determine? We pretty much know how everyone matched up except NDSU and JSU as good as we are going to know.
Even if there happens to be a blowout either way in the championship game I'm not sure that it would change the overall rankings of the
other teams a whole lot. I don't think I'd put SDSU in the top 5. Or any other team. McNeese and ISU are really tough to tell for me.
Did they just have bad games or where they just over-rated? I'm thinking they just had bad games but who knows. SDSU did beat them
late in the year but then again we got beat by USD so who really knows. I'd probably put ISU at 6 and McNeese at 7.

1). NDSU
2). JSU
3). UNI
4). Chattanooga
5). Sam Houston (despite them playing a really bad game).
6). ISU
7). McNeese
8). Charleston Southern
9). Richmond
10). Montana? SDSU?

I think Richmond had one of the more talented teams skill wise but they just didn't have the
size and strength to match up.

Sorry man, but ranking ISU three spots ahead of Richmond after the beating Richmond put on them at their place when it mattered is absolutely terrible.

[PAllen]

Sorry man, but ranking ISU three spots ahead of Richmond after the beating Richmond put on them at their place when it mattered is absolutely terrible.

But, but, MVFC man.

[Bisonator]

What more is there to determine? We pretty much know how everyone matched up except NDSU and JSU as good as we are going to know.
Even if there happens to be a blowout either way in the championship game I'm not sure that it would change the overall rankings of the
other teams a whole lot.
It could for some. Depends on the game unfolds. If one team absolutely dominates the other then you could make a case for the teams that the winner faced were better then the others. I'm gonna hold off until the final game is played.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Yeah just like I don't think ranking SDSU ahead of Montana is right either.

[BisonFan02]

It could for some. Depends on the game unfolds. If one team absolutely dominates the other then you could make a case for the teams that the winner faced were better then the others. I'm gonna hold off until the final game is played.

Bingo......

[McNeese75]

Somebody is really bored to start this up xeyebrowx

[Sam_Kats]

LOL. Who gives a &uc#??

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

But, but, MVFC man.

I saw in another thread that one or more of the MVFC teams may have been over rated this seasonxsmiley_wix

[CFBfan]

Here's my five minutes of effort... so like most weeks.:D



1
Jacksonville St


2
North Dakota St


3
Northern Iowa


4
Chattanooga


5
Charleston S


6
Richmond


7
Illinois St


8
The Citadel


9
South Dakota St


10
Sam Houston


11
Portland St


12
Montana


13
Western Ill


14
Southern Utah


15
McNeese St


16
William & Mary


17
Coastal Carolina


18
Fordham


19
James Madison


20
Colgate


21
Western Carolina


22
Youngstown St


23
Eastern Ill


24
South Dakota


25
Villanova




you can't put Fordham ahead of Colgate. Colgate beat them and won the league along with 2 playoff games while FU was 1 and done

[BisonTru]

you can't put Fordham ahead of Colgate. Colgate beat them and won the league along with 2 playoff games while FU was 1 and done

Fair critique. I really only spent 5 minutes throwing that together. I'll spend more time on the final. FWIW, Massey still has Fordham higher.

[CFBfan]

Fair critique. I really only spent 5 minutes throwing that together. I'll spend more time on the final. FWIW, Massey still has Fordham higher.

hey, you gat it started! that's the hardest part!

[tomq04]

How do we feel about this?

1. JSU
2. NDSU
3. UNI
4. Ill St
5. SDSU
6. Rest of the MVC
7. SHSU
8. Portland State

[thebootfitter]

How do we feel about this?

1. JSU
2. NDSU
3. UNI
4. Ill St
5. SDSU
6. Rest of the MVC
7. SHSU
8. Portland State
Obviously the first two could be swapped, pending the outcome of the final. Lehigh is a bit too high, IMHO. Montana and USD should probably be up there a bit higher, since they both beat NDSU. You might want to separate Misery State from the rest of the MVFC. But yeah... other than that... yeah... looks about right. ;)

[Bisonator]

How do we feel about this?

1. NDSU
2. JSU
3. UNI
4. Richmond
5. SDSU
6. Rest of the MVC
7. Montana
8. Portland State
FIFY!:D

[thebootfitter]

I saw in another thread that one or more of the MVFC teams may have been over rated this seasonxsmiley_wix
That's WITHIN the MVFC, though. C'mon... gotta keep it in context. :p

I didn't follow ISUr very closely this year, but based on the box scores and discussions on here of several of their games, I do think they probably were getting too much credit in the polls (probably at least partially due to their performance in the championship game last year). They performed when it counted up until that Richmond game, though, so some of that credit is fair. (Of course, the Richmond game counted the most.)

The common objective measures (Sagarin, Massey, etc.) still show the MVFC a step above the other conferences. While there may be some issues with the objective measures themselves, I haven't seen anybody spell them out and make a convincing argument otherwise. And other than a few anecdotal games that don't support the idea, the out of conference record for the past two years certainly supports that idea that overall, the MVFC is currently a step above the other conferences.

These things go in cycles, of course, and another team in another conference could start getting hot and help elevate the rest of that conference.

Back on topic, I think it's pretty clear that the best two teams in the FCS right now are facing off in Frisco. I'm very much looking forward to being there and seeing it live! As far as the rest... I'd rather wait to see how the final plays out before trying to rank any of the other teams.

[Lehigh'98]

That's WITHIN the MVFC, though. C'mon... gotta keep it in context. :p

I didn't follow ISUr very closely this year, but based on the box scores and discussions on here of several of their games, I do think they probably were getting too much credit in the polls (probably at least partially due to their performance in the championship game last year). They performed when it counted up until that Richmond game, though, so some of that credit is fair. (Of course, the Richmond game counted the most.)

The common objective measures (Sagarin, Massey, etc.) still show the MVFC a step above the other conferences. While there may be some issues with the objective measures themselves, I haven't seen anybody spell them out and make a convincing argument otherwise. And other than a few anecdotal games that don't support the idea, the out of conference record for the past two years certainly supports that idea that overall, the MVFC is currently a step above the other conferences.

These things go in cycles, of course, and another team in another conference could start getting hot and help elevate the rest of that conference.

Back on topic, I think it's pretty clear that the best two teams in the FCS right now are facing off in Frisco. I'm very much looking forward to being there and seeing it live! As far as the rest... I'd rather wait to see how the final plays out before trying to rank any of the other teams.

They are at the moment, but all anyone is going to remember from this era is the NDSU reign of dominance. How many NC's would the MVFC have the since 2011 if you take out NDSU out of the picture? I would give you Ill St last year. Towson probably in 2013. Gotta believe Sam would find a way to win at least 1 in 11 & 12. Jax St looks to be the choice this year.

Take out NDSU and the conference parity becomes a hell of a lot more even the past 5 years. Of course you can't do that in real life, but the conference is benefiting a bunch from the Bison.

[BisonFan02]

They are at the moment, but all anyone is going to remember from this era is the NDSU reign of dominance. How many NC's would the MVFC have the since 2011 if you take out NDSU out of the picture? I would give you Ill St last year. Towson probably in 2013. Gotta believe Sam would find a way to win at least 1 in 11 & 12. Jax St looks to be the choice this year.

Take out NDSU and the conference parity becomes a hell of a lot more even the past 5 years. Of course you can't do that in real life, but the conference is benefiting a bunch from the Bison.

I might be biased....but if you watch game film from 2008 and prior versus now, the overall level of play in the MVFC has improved quite a bit...especially from a consistency standpoint. I think that has a lot to do with NDSU/SDSU et al forcing the rest of the league to up their game.

[thebootfitter]

Jax St looks to be the choice this year.
I take no issue with the rest of your post, but I'm curious about this statement. Is there really something tangible that leads you to this conclusion? Is it just wishful thinking? Maybe you've posted your reasons elsewhere that I've missed, but in my opinion, the title game is really anybody's guess right now. Not enough common data points to call. Both very solid teams that are playing great football right now.

What justification do you have to call Jax St the favorite at this point?

[CSU18]

Anyone that puts SHSU in front of CSU or Chatty (maybe even top 10) is on some good drugs. I don't care if they had a "bad game" or not, they got worked. A top 10 team doesn't get beat by 52 to another top 10 team. No way.....no how.

[Lehigh'98]

I take no issue with the rest of your post, but I'm curious about this statement. Is there really something tangible that leads you to this conclusion? Is it just wishful thinking? Maybe you've posted your reasons elsewhere that I've missed, but in my opinion, the title game is really anybody's guess right now. Not enough common data points to call. Both very solid teams that are playing great football right now.

What justification do you have to call Jax St the favorite at this point?

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was saying it would be their year if NDSU wasn't there. I was saying that, at most the MVFC would have 1-2 Nattys if the Bison were not around. I do think Jax St has a decent shot, but I think the -4 is about right.

[thebootfitter]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was saying it would be their year if NDSU wasn't there. I was saying that, at most the MVFC would have 1-2 Nattys if the Bison were not around. I do think Jax St has a decent shot, but I think the -4 is about right.
Gotcha. Makes sense to me.

[thebootfitter]

A top 10 team doesn't get beat by 52 to another top 10 team. No way.....no how.

You've got some valid points (Not sure I'd have Sammy higher than either of those teams), but it does happen. When the wheels come off, things can go downhill in a hurry. Truly good teams SHOULD be able to fight back, but there is a concept known as Any Given Saturday.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Fair critique. I really only spent 5 minutes throwing that together. I'll spend more time on the final. FWIW, Massey still has Fordham higher.


You also forgot the Ivy League. Massey has Harvard and Dartmouth at 5 and 6. I'd put both way ahead of Fordham.

[BisonTru]

You also forgot the Ivy League. Massey has Harvard and Dartmouth at 5 and 6. I'd put both way ahead of Fordham.

I left the Ivys off, cuz I didn't want to take the time to figure out where they fit. Also, if I rank the Ivys where I feel they fit then I have to deal with the Ivy-haters.

They'll be in my final.

[Houndawg]

Sorry man, but ranking ISU three spots ahead of Richmond after the beating Richmond put on them at their place when it mattered is absolutely terrible.

I think NDSU had several tougher games than Richmond in conference play - agree they should be ahead of ISU.

[Cocky]

How do we feel about this?

1. JSU
2. NDSU
3. UNI
4. Ill St
5. SDSU
6. Rest of the MVC
7. SHSU
8. Portland State
Auburn should be 1.

[ming01]

1. NDSU
2. JSU
3. UNI
4. Richmond
5. ISU
6. Chatty
7. SHSU
8. Montana
9. SDSU
10. CSU
11. Portland State
12. SUU
13. McNeese St
14. The Citadel
15. CCU
16. Colgate
17. William & Mary
18. JMU
19. WIU
20. NAU
21. EWU
22. Liberty
23. UND
24. Fordham
25. Towson

[NDB]

NDSU/JSU
UNI

after that
don't know. don't care

[Lehigh'98]

Colgate > SUU. Quarterfinals vs. 1st round exit. Sorry

[Cocky]

NDSU/JSU winner
UTC/UNI flip a coin
CSU
SHSU
Richmond
ISUr
McNeese
Montana
SDSU
Portland St

May change my mind in a few minutes

[dgtw]

I thought NC A&T was the national champion.


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[The Cats]

Here's my five minutes of effort... so like most weeks.:D



1
Jacksonville St


2
North Dakota St


3
Northern Iowa


4
Chattanooga


5
Charleston S


6
Richmond


7
Illinois St


8
The Citadel


9
South Dakota St


10
Sam Houston


11
Portland St


12
Montana


13
Western Ill


14
Southern Utah


15
McNeese St


16
William & Mary


17
Coastal Carolina


18
Fordham


19
James Madison


20
Colgate


21
Western Carolina


22
Youngstown St


23
Eastern Ill


24
South Dakota


25
Villanova





A lot of good that does Western Carolina now....

[stevdock]

Just curious but if NDSU beats JSU by 3 TD's does UNI move to #2 in some of your polls?? I think you could make that case.

[Cocky]

Just curious but if NDSU beats JSU by 3 TD's does UNI move to #2 in some of your polls?? I think you could make that case.
If JSU wins by 3 TDs does UTC move to 2?

[stevdock]

If JSU wins by 3 TDs does UTC move to 2?

Considering I don't remember the last time we lost by 3 TD's, I'll say sure ;) I just looked it up and it was Oct. 8th 2005.

[Cocky]

Considering I don't remember the last time we lost by 3 TD's, I'll say sure ;) I just looked it up and it was Oct. 8th 2005.
Then I say you answered your own question.

[stevdock]

Then I say you answered your own question.

Looks like you guys are good for a 21 pt beatdown once a year and since you haven't yet, here it comes???? ;)

[FUBeAR]

If JSU wins by 3 TDs does UTC move to 2?

Actually...since Mercer was the only other FCS Team to beat UTC... :D

[Go...gate]

Colgate at #20 and #16. Last time I looked, we made the final eight......

[JSUSoutherner]

Actually...since Mercer was the only other FCS Team to beat UTC... :D

1.) JSU
2.) NDSU
3.) Mercer ;)
4.) Chatty
5.) UNI

[FUBeAR]

1.) JSU
2.) NDSU
3.) Mercer ;)
4.) Chatty
5.) UNI

Obviously, a gratuitous post begging for Rep Points - Happy to oblige xnodx :D

[JSUSoutherner]

Obviously, a gratuitous post begging for Rep Points - Happy to oblige xnodx :D

Nah, you guys got screwed this year. Several of my friends at home and at work are Mercer fans so I always try to keep up with you guys. Hopefully we can see each other a playoff game next year. You guys were better than a lot realize this year.

[Twentysix]

Colgate at #20 and #16. Last time I looked, we made the final eight......

Indeed you did. Fight for your rightful place on a message board posters made up list. xthumbsupx

[dgtw]

1. TBD
2. TBD
3-20. Who cares

[SeattleGriz]

Lots of love for a UNI team that had less total yardage than Montana vs NDSU.

UNI got owned just as badly as Montana.

[Professor Chaos]

Lots of love for a UNI team that had less total yardage than Montana vs NDSU.

UNI got owned just as badly as Montana.
Come on man, Montana wasn't even close to being as competitive with NDSU in the playoffs as UNI was. Take away all the turnovers that Montana committed that UNI didn't and you'd have a point but turnovers are a huge part of the game.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Colgate should be fringe Top 15. Fordham will likely end the year ranked but I'm not sure they should. They fell off a cliff the last month of the year...

[BigHouseClosedEnd]

I could understand the argument that UNI would be ahead of Richmond but i don't see how the Spiders could be any worse than 4th in the final poll.

How many of the Top 10 return more than 16 starters, like we do?

[BigHouseClosedEnd]

Colgate should be fringe Top 15. Fordham will likely end the year ranked but I'm not sure they should. They fell off a cliff the last month of the year...

The Raiders should be around #10, IMO.

[JSUSoutherner]

I could understand the argument that UNI would be ahead of Richmond but i don't see how the Spiders could be any worse than 4th in the final poll.

How many of the Top 10 return more than 16 starters, like we do?

How many starters you are returning would influence preseason polls for next year. It has zero to do with your ranking for this year.

[BigHouseClosedEnd]

How many starters you are returning would influence preseason polls for next year. It has zero to do with your ranking for this year.

No kidding. Remarkable stuff. Thank you.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Come on man, Montana wasn't even close to being as competitive with NDSU in the playoffs as UNI was. Take away all the turnovers that Montana committed that UNI didn't and you'd have a point but turnovers are a huge part of the game.


This here.

UNI is head and shoulders above Montana.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I could understand the argument that UNI would be ahead of Richmond but i don't see how the Spiders could be any worse than 4th in the final poll.

How many of the Top 10 return more than 16 starters, like we do?


IIRC, NDSU will return 14 next year....with 8 on defense.

[Sammy94]

Colgate > SUU. Quarterfinals vs. 1st round exit. Sorry

SUU would have crushed Colgate.

[Professor Chaos]

IIRC, NDSU will return 14 next year....with 8 on defense.
Depends on how you classify Stick. If he's considered a returning starter it'll be 15 (8 on defense and 7 on offense).

[AmsterBison]

They are at the moment, but all anyone is going to remember from this era is the NDSU reign of dominance. How many NC's would the MVFC have the since 2011 if you take out NDSU out of the picture? I would give you Ill St last year. Towson probably in 2013. Gotta believe Sam would find a way to win at least 1 in 11 & 12. Jax St looks to be the choice this year.

Take out NDSU and the conference parity becomes a hell of a lot more even the past 5 years. Of course you can't do that in real life, but the conference is benefiting a bunch from the Bison.

The flip side is true too.... how many national titles would NDSU have had if they were in, say, the Big Sky rather than the MVFC? The Bison might have been in for some rude awakenings come playoff time.

BTW, heck if I'm going to do a ranking before the title game is done. :)

[GetEmGriz]

Come on man, Montana wasn't even close to being as competitive with NDSU in the playoffs as UNI was. Take away all the turnovers that Montana committed that UNI didn't and you'd have a point but turnovers are a huge part of the game.

The fact that Montana's defense only allowed NDSU's offense 17 points for the amount of time they spent on the field and in not so great field position says a lot. Really, Montana's defense was the only part of Montana that was competitive. If Montana's offense would have actually excecuted and not thrown 4 interceptions, it would have been a much more competitive game.

[Bisonator]

The fact that Montana's defense only allowed NDSU's offense 17 points for the amount of time they spent on the field and in not so great field position says a lot. Really, Montana's defense was the only part of Montana that was competitive. If Montana's offense would have actually excecuted and not thrown 4 interceptions, it would have been a much more competitive game.
And now your DC has left for your rival. Stitt happens!xcoffeex

[Bisonoline]

The fact that Montana's defense only allowed NDSU's offense 17 points for the amount of time they spent on the field and in not so great field position says a lot. Really, Montana's defense was the only part of Montana that was competitive. If Montana's offense would have actually excecuted and not thrown 4 interceptions, it would have been a much more competitive game.

You think?

[SeattleGriz]

And now your DC has left for your rival. Stitt happens!xcoffeex
I'm actually pretty happy our D coordinator left. He seemed to get his ass handed to his defense too many times. While our D was good, it was never a great D.

[centennial]

The fact that Montana's defense only allowed NDSU's offense 17 points for the amount of time they spent on the field and in not so great field position says a lot. Really, Montana's defense was the only part of Montana that was competitive. If Montana's offense would have actually excecuted and not thrown 4 interceptions, it would have been a much more competitive game.
You do also realize that NDSU did not need to score because of the defensive plays? I do agree the defense played well, but it isn't like we were under any pressure. NDSU doesn't usually run up the score. We did score 59 on WIU and 55 on Missouri State, but we only won against Weber 44-14, UND 34-9, SDSU 28-7, Richmond 33-7; all games that we could have hit 2-3 more touchdowns.

[Daytripper]

A more legitimate question is how will teams be ranked in next year's pre-season?

[JSUSoutherner]

A more legitimate question is how will teams be ranked in next year's pre-season?
That's a question for the off season.

Oh wait, that's right. My bad. xthumbsupx

[Bisonwinagn]

A more legitimate question is how will teams be ranked in next year's pre-season?

Agreed, but let's wait at least another week or two until after final polls. Then have at it.