Lafayette at Lehigh, 151st Meeting - Official Thread

[Pard4Life]

Lehigh may be feeling a bit 'deflated'... and Tom Brady isn't even their quarterback...

I won't mind if you 'no-show' for the third straight year Lehigh...

The Pards could sure use a victory this year... :D

(and Lehigh is still ranked too high)

I'll close with what Brad Maurer is saying below: "F__k Lehigh"

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/lafa/galleries/LafayettevsLehigh2004/maurervslehigh-lg.jpg

[ngineer]

NOVEMBER 21, 2015..THAT TIME OF THE MONTH FOR THE PUSSY TO BLEED!!!!!xhypedxxhypedxxhypedxxhypedxxhypedxxhype dxxslapfightxxslapfightxxslapfightxxflamemadxxflam emadxxflamemadxxpissedxxpissedxxpissedxxarguexxarg uexxarguexxarguexxanim_chaixxanim_chaixxanim_chaix xanim_chaixxspankxxspankxxspankxxspankxxspankxx406 xxhomerxxshakingmadxxdizzyx OH I JUST LOVE TRADITION. MY 45TH GAME COMING UP. GO LEHIGH, GO LEHIGH, GO LEHIGH, GO!!!

[Pard4Life]

A little heavy on the AGS animation aren't we? Haha

[hawkineer]

Lehigh may be feeling a bit 'deflated'... and Tom Brady isn't even their quarterback...

I won't mind if you 'no-show' for the third straight year Lehigh...

The Pards could sure use a victory this year... :D


If it makes you feel any better, I can almost guarantee that the Lehigh defense, as they have been all year, will be a no show. xbawlingx So, if LC can't put at least 30 on the board, then you deserve to lose.xnodx

[carney2]

The Hopeless vs. the Hapless. America is holding its breath for this one.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh's defense is truly historically terrible. Lafayette will score 30'ish points. Lehigh's offense will have to score on 5 or 6 of their 9 or so possessions to win. They absolutely can do that but will they?

[Pards Rule]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21780&stc=1

I will be there for my 36th straight since 1980 with the Pard also making his 36th appearance! Ngineer can I hope to catch you someday?

[RichH2]

My 52 nd. Not quite ready yet for the pregame banter. Still stuck on yesterday. My hope today is that the players can rebound quickly to focus on Pards. Expect we will win,with the usual "if we show up" reservation. If our D can soar to a mediocre.performance,it may even be apt revenge for not showing up last year.

[carney2]

Lafayette will score 30'ish points.

Just give the Leopards the ball in the redzone. They can't score from there. They could kick some field goals, but not 10 of them. Remember the immortal words of Bill Parcells: "You are what your record says you are." Lafayette is 1-9.

[ngineer]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21780&stc=1

I will be there for my 36th straight since 1980 with the Pard also making his 36th appearance! Ngineer can I hope to catch you someday?

I will be the "Kings of Tailgates" location. Flag pole across from the Rust Football Pavillion. An 'intimate' gathering of 350 or so, please do stop by. I'll be wearing brown. You will only 'catch me' in number of games after I've gone to the football field in the sky.

[ngineer]

A little heavy on the AGS animation aren't we? Haha

Oh, I just thought I would throw in a collage of all the different emotions this week brings. Nothing like it in college football.

[SingForever]

F--k you, your mother and your father

[Pards Rule]

You will only 'catch me' in number of games after I've gone to the football field in the sky.

That's what I was thinking!!

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F--k you, your mother and your father

All at once mate?

[hawkineer]

F--k you, your mother and your father
Wow! An LU graduate! Not sure what point you were trying to make with this curious post. Explanation?

I have no love for the Leopards or its institution as an institution. However, I certainly have no ill will towards its fans.

There's too much of that in the world today!

[RichH2]

Wow! An LU graduate! Not sure what point you were trying to make with this curious post. Explanation?

I have no love for the Leopards or its institution as an institution. However, I certainly have no ill will towards its fans.

There's too much of that in the world today!
+1

[CFBfan]

F--k you, your mother and your father

wow! a bit angry there mr sing4ever

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Kill-a-bee where are you?? biggest game of the year for you....49 point win???

[Pards Rule]

Wow! An LU graduate! Not sure what point you were trying to make with this curious post. Explanation?

I have no love for the Leopards or its institution as an institution. However, I certainly have no ill will towards its fans.

There's too much of that in the world today!

Reps Hawkineer!

[Pard4Life]

wow! a bit angry there mr sing4ever

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Kill-a-bee where are you?? biggest game of the year for you....49 point win???

KillaBee doesn't have Internet anymore... he lost his house

[centraljerseycat]

Does Coen need to win to keep his job???

[CFBfan]

KillaBee doesn't have Internet anymore... he lost his house

LMAF!!!

[Lehigh'98]

Does Coen need to win to keep his job???

No. Competing for a league title will keep him safe. However, there will be unhappy campers if he loses to this Lafayette team.

[ngineer]

No. Competing for a league title will keep him safe. However, there will be unhappy campers if he loses to this Lafayette team.

The "perception" of losing to any 1-9 team is horrific. Even with our defense, we should win by at least two scores. I am submitting 38-26.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

There is no reason for Lehigh to come out flat. To play for a championship yesterday with this defense was a bit of a break imo. I was more disappointed after the Princeton game. Yesterday was about what I expected, a flip of the coin. To get payback for the last two years and notch a winning season would be a petty solid bounce back. They really stunk last year, 3-8 was a worthy record. This year Lehigh has one of the better offenses in FCS and a far superior kicking game imo. The defense is either just as bad or perhaps even worse (PPG).

A win on Saturday, especially one in impressive fashion could really set the stage for next year. With an improved defense (broken record) there are pieces in place for a Top 25 team in 2016. Fordham and Colgate come to Goodman next year. Just win on Saturday....

[Pard4Life]

The merits of a Lehigh education (I did not create this):

http://www.campusbasement.com/uploads/1327977151.jpeg

[Pards Rule]

The merits of a Lehigh education (I did not create this):

http://www.campusbasement.com/uploads/1327977151.jpeg

It looks like some intra-office rivalry, no?

[van]

A win on Saturday, especially one in impressive fashion could really set the stage for next year. With an improved defense (broken record) there are pieces in place for a Top 25 team in 2016. Fordham and Colgate come to Goodman next year. Just win on Saturday....

I am asking Santa for an improved defense, but not holding out much hope

[RichH2]

I am asking Santa for an improved defense, but not holding out much hope
A Christmas miracle can happen :)

[Go...gate]

Wow! An LU graduate! Not sure what point you were trying to make with this curious post. Explanation?

I have no love for the Leopards or its institution as an institution. However, I certainly have no ill will towards its fans.

There's too much of that in the world today!

+2

[DatDude]

Cry me a river, I love the banter between the 2 schools! Look up OSU/Mich...Ala/Aub....the same thing! Its college football, not Isis vs the world!

[carney2]

Last chance for the Leopards to actually do something for the memory of Brian Keller. So far, all they've done is embarrass themselves.

[carney2]

Just in case there’s someone in the lower 48 who gives a crap:

LAFAYETTE (1-9, 0-5): Quoting Bill Parcells, “You are what your record says you are.” Actually, the Pards are on a bit of an upswing with only a bus load or so remaining on the injured, cannot play list. Not much to point at with pride however. Details:

- The junior QB who was all-world as a freshman, continues to have problems. Some say that he’s been “coached down” by the staff. Maybe. Probably.
- O-line sux for the 6th consecutive year.
- Running game is non-existent. Running backs are mediocre at best..
- Best receiver is out for the season, but even with him, there is no deep threat.
- Defense was billed as superior back in August. Hasn’t turned out that way. DBs, a supposed strength, are beaten badly week after week.
- Frank Tavani is still the head coach. He shouldn't be.

On the plus side, the Leopards have had an extra week to prepare. Frank says that he is devoting “every waking moment” to helping the team win. Expect some trick plays early.

LEHIGH (5-5, 3-2): The Flush Puppies are trending up due to freshmen and sophomores. On offense a freshman QB and a freshman RB have been the big guns for the past few weeks. Fortunately for Lafayette, Lehigh coach, Andy Coen, is going back to his junior at QB – a guy who cannot throw downfield, and who pretty much embarrassed himself in the past two Lafayette-Lehigh games.

On the other side of the ball, the PantyStains are horrid for the 3rd consecutive year. Expect Lafayette to have an advantage here. The Pards should put some points on the board.

PREDICTION: Not a gimme for the ToiletPoppers.

[Neighbor2]

carney2-

No doubt, two mishandled teams. Should make for an interesting game. Both sides might 'talk' confident, but they would be lying. I'd love to take a huge eraser to Lehigh Valley FCS football and start all over.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

It will be fun to see Lehigh beat the living tar out of Lafayette this weekend.

[CFBfan]

Last chance for the Leopards to actually do something for the memory of Brian Keller. So far, all they've done is embarrass themselves.

carney I have enjoyed your posts for years and understand your frustration BUT please think twice before posting something like this next time. I can't imagine the Keller family would appreciate this (IMHO)

[Franks Tanks]

Lehigh is perpetually one year away from 9-2. They have of course been a much better team this year, but talent level is pretty even. The Pards are so bad due to injuries, and a head coach and staff that are barely competent. Lehigh will most likely win, and win by a decent margin, but I won't be totally shocked if the pards win. It will be highly unlikely, but possible given the talent level.

I have no faith that Frank can rally the guys and pull one out, but stranger things have happened. I will be there. I hope theards win. But I also hope we have new leadership next year.

[Lehigh'98]

Lehigh is perpetually one year away from 9-2. They have of course been a much better team this year, but talent level is pretty even. The Pards are so bad due to injuries, and a head coach and staff that are barely competent. Lehigh will most likely win, and win by a decent margin, but I won't be totally shocked if the pards win. It will be highly unlikely, but possible given the talent level.

I have no faith that Frank can rally the guys and pull one out, but stranger things have happened. I will be there. I hope theards win. But I also hope we have new leadership next year.

I didn't think we were anywhere close to 9-2 after last year. Prior to that they were 11-1, 10-1 & 8-3. Unless the defense can find an identity, I see another 7-4 season next year, still with a chance to win the league. I expect a close game this week as Lafayette has been getting healthier and really could use a win here. Lehigh should have revenge on their mind after last year's embarrassment.

[Franks Tanks]

I didn't think we were anywhere close to 9-2 after last year. Prior to that they were 11-1, 10-1 & 8-3. Unless the defense can find an identity, I see another 7-4 season next year, still with a chance to win the league. I expect a close game this week as Lafayette has been getting healthier and really could use a win here. Lehigh should have revenge on their mind after last year's embarrassment.

you actually know what you are talking about, so not directed at you! The Pards are awful. We are poorly coached and our guys don't develop. If Frank and the gang are back next year it is 3 to 4 wins and more of the same. If we hire the right guy, we could challenge for a title. The margins really are that slim in the PL right now. It is all about coaching and QB play. Our QB has struggled, but he still has the talent. The right coaching will make a world of difference.

[ngineer]

Despite the heartbreaking loss at Colgate, I think Andy will use that to get the team up for the seniors. Despite certain detractions, he has the ability to build good team chemistry, and I think there will be a real focus on sending off the seniors with a win since they are the first class to leave Lehigh since 1994 without having won at least one title. Leaving with a 'redemption win' after last year's debacle will be high priority, as well as setting us up for an bright looking 2016.

I fully expect the Frankasaurus to have his staff come up with all sorts of gimmicks, gizmos, flea-flickers, pot-stickers, shat-kickers, and cherry pickers. Note, I said his staff, not Frank, himself. I have seen enough of these things (this will be my 45th) that emotion can carry a team a long way, and at the same time, it can get in the way by 'trying too hard' and pressing. So I fully respect the Leotard's ability to piss on our field, but feel confident that, that will be prevented.

Weather forecast looks pretty decent at the moment: 55F and cloudy. The Kings of Tailgates will have 15 turkeys rotating among four pressure cookers with all the trimmings. A great repaste for a donation to the Roger McFillin Fund that supports the Football Partnership in his memory. Look for the flag.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lets hope Frank pulls out these helmets as part of his "secret plan":

http://cdn.patch.com/users/158382/2011/11/T800x600/d2631323784e66b51a4431bc994ee35a.jpg

[hawkineer]

Despite the heartbreaking loss at Colgate, I think Andy will use that to get the team up for the seniors. Despite certain detractions, he has the ability to build good team chemistry, and I think there will be a real focus on sending off the seniors with a win since they are the first class to leave Lehigh since 1994 without having won at least one title. Leaving with a 'redemption win' after last year's debacle will be high priority, as well as setting us up for an bright looking 2016.
Just curious. After last year's mess in Game 150, where the team should have been full of pi$$ and vinegar, it is a bit surprising to believe that Andy is the reincarnation of Knute Rockne. Why so much confidence in AC's ability to motivate?

I think it better come from the players who , honestly, slept walked through last year's game.

[Lehigh'98]

Despite the heartbreaking loss at Colgate, I think Andy will use that to get the team up for the seniors. Despite certain detractions, he has the ability to build good team chemistry, and I think there will be a real focus on sending off the seniors with a win since they are the first class to leave Lehigh since 1994 without having won at least one title. Leaving with a 'redemption win' after last year's debacle will be high priority, as well as setting us up for an bright looking 2016.

I fully expect the Frankasaurus to have his staff come up with all sorts of gimmicks, gizmos, flea-flickers, pot-stickers, shat-kickers, and cherry pickers. Note, I said his staff, not Frank, himself. I have seen enough of these things (this will be my 45th) that emotion can carry a team a long way, and at the same time, it can get in the way by 'trying too hard' and pressing. So I fully respect the Leotard's ability to piss on our field, but feel confident that, that will be prevented.

Weather forecast looks pretty decent at the moment: 55F and cloudy. The Kings of Tailgates will have 15 turkeys rotating among four pressure cookers with all the trimmings. A great repaste for a donation to the Roger McFillin Fund that supports the Football Partnership in his memory. Look for the flag.

Didn't the 1994 class win a title in 93?

[carney2]

carney I have enjoyed your posts for years and understand your frustration BUT please think twice before posting something like this next time. I can't imagine the Keller family would appreciate this (IMHO)

No disrespect was intended. I did not believe that I was stepping over any line. In re-reading, I still don't think that I've crossed into bad territory. BUT, if you, or anyone, takes it negatively, then (1) I am wrong, and (2) my wordsmithing is sadly lacking, and I sincerely apologize.

[Pards Rule]

Last chance for the Leopards to actually do something for the memory of Brian Keller. So far, all they've done is embarrass themselves.

So I say: BRING IT FOR BRIAN!!

[BisonFan02]

Tank for Frank.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Tank for Frank.

+1

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Is the game officially sold out? I'm still trying to track down a single. Haven't missed a LU-LC game since 1996. Haven't missed one at Goodman since the first one at Goodman, 1989....

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Is the game officially sold out? I'm still trying to track down a single. Haven't missed a LU-LC game since 1996. Haven't missed one at Goodman since the first one at Goodman, 1989....

I believe there are grass GA seats still available.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I believe there are grass GA seats still available.

Sounds good. I'll call LU ticket office tomorrow....

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Just ordered a GA ticket! Thanks for the heads up! The streak will continue! Now Lehigh has to end their 5 game losing streak with me in attendance....

[ngineer]

Is the game officially sold out? I'm still trying to track down a single. Haven't missed a LU-LC game since 1996. Haven't missed one at Goodman since the first one at Goodman, 1989....

PM me--I may have an extra available. Athletics has said based upon the weather forecast, they will sell tickets for the grass horseshoe, but if you want a good chairback seat on the 48 yard line, let me know!

[ngineer]

Just curious. After last year's mess in Game 150, where the team should have been full of pi$$ and vinegar, it is a bit surprising to believe that Andy is the reincarnation of Knute Rockne. Why so much confidence in AC's ability to motivate?

I think it better come from the players who , honestly, slept walked through last year's game.

Not saying he's the reincarnation of Rockne, but I do know the players like him alot. Sometimes it's hard to read 19-20 year olds and how they react to certain situations. My father coached for decades and there were times he thought he didn't have the kids attention due to various distractions, and they did great; other times, it looks like they're focused like a laser and the wheels come off. But I do think this team senses that they can be the turnaround team to get the program back up on the pedestal it once was.

[Pards Rule]

It is the 10th anniversary of "The Hurt" and the 20th of "The Catch in the Gloam"

[Lehigh Football Nation]

It is the 10th anniversary of "The Hurt" and the 20th of "The Catch in the Gloam"

And the 50th anniversary of this:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21805&stc=1

Fred Dunlap's first-ever coaching victory. 0-8 Lehigh beating 3-6 Lafayette 20-14.

[RichH2]

And the 50th anniversary of this:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21805&stc=1

Fred Dunlap's first-ever coaching victory. 0-8 Lehigh beating 3-6 Lafayette 20-14.
One heck of a game.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

It is the 10th anniversary of "The Hurt" and the 20th of "The Catch in the Gloam"

25th anniversary of my first game! The 1990 game was at Fisher. I remember it pretty well! Eric Torrain had a big game and was named MVP iirc. Kevin Jefferson also played as a 16(?) year old I believe.

Lehigh is on a 5 game skid when I attend. That better change on Saturday! Also, Temple better beat Memphis!

[Pard4Life]

It is the 10th anniversary of "The Hurt" and the 20th of "The Catch in the Gloam"

Wow Hurt was ten years?! Yes. I hate time.

We are due for a crazy game. Haven't had one since then.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Wow Hurt was ten years?! Yes. I hate time.

We are due for a crazy game. Haven't had one since then.

2009 was pretty wild. Only the second OT ever in the series....

[hawkineer]

Not saying he's the reincarnation of Rockne, but I do know the players like him alot. Sometimes it's hard to read 19-20 year olds and how they react to certain situations. My father coached for decades and there were times he thought he didn't have the kids attention due to various distractions, and they did great; other times, it looks like they're focused like a laser and the wheels come off. But I do think this team senses that they can be the turnaround team to get the program back up on the pedestal it once was.
I hope you're right. We'll know a lot about this team in less than four days. I really think that most of the motivation needs to come from within the team, itself. If they come out unmotivated and unfocused it's on the team. If they come out unprepared, that's on the coaches.

[ngineer]

One heck of a game.

Coach Dunlap is coming down from Hamilton for the Game and we'll be having a big reunion dinner with his former players after the game in the Asa Packer Dining Room.

[ngineer]

I hope you're right. We'll know a lot about this team in less than four days. I really think that most of the motivation needs to come from within the team, itself. If they come out unmotivated and unfocused it's on the team. If they come out unprepared, that's on the coaches.

Agreed dat.

[RichH2]

Coach Dunlap is coming down from Hamilton for the Game and we'll be having a big reunion dinner with his former players after the game in the Asa Packer Dining Room.
Well deserved.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Some of my thoughts and memories of The Rivalry. Oh yeah, I wrote a book about it.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-rivalry-my-book-and-my-story.html

[Pards Rule]

And the 50th anniversary of this:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21805&stc=1

Fred Dunlap's first-ever coaching victory. 0-8 Lehigh beating 3-6 Lafayette 20-14.

Good deal LFN! Congrats to Coach Dunlap.

[Pards Rule]

25th anniversary of my first game! The 1990 game was at Fisher. I remember it pretty well! Eric Torrain had a big game and was named MVP iirc. Kevin Jefferson also played as a 16(?) year old I believe.

Lehigh is on a 5 game skid when I attend. That better change on Saturday! Also, Temple better beat Memphis!

I recall that game too. It was overcast with some rain at times. I recall my good friend and former roommate (Class of 84 too) and I were sitting at very end of home side against the trees (yes there were trees that end at one time!). He put his umbrella through the fence and opened it to shield us from the slanting rain and couldn't get it back through for the longest time!!

[Lehigh'98]

Lehigh -18 right now. Think that is a bit much for rivalry game, I'd have guessed about -14.

[Lehigh'98]

Still the best game I've seen or played in has to be the 1995 catch game. Also happened to be my first. Not sure how you top that one.

[Pard4Life]

Still the best game I've seen or played in has to be the 1995 catch game. Also happened to be my first. Not sure how you top that one.

2005.

[Pards Rule]

2005.

Agreed the Hurt with 38 seconds left - Pard TD to win! 23-19

[Pards Rule]

For those of you wondering Jonathan Hurt was the Lafayette tailback who got behind secondary to pull in a 39 yard TD with 38 seconds left at about the 10 yard line (Im guessing approx.?) and waltzed in to score.

[Bill]

I understand LC fan's enjoyment of the 2005 game, but I believe the 1995 game was more exciting and better played by both teams, plus the OT factor. Of course, I'm naturally biased but attempting to stay somewhat objective here :)

[hawkineer]

For those of you wondering Jonathan Hurt was the Lafayette tailback who got behind secondary to pull in a 39 yard TD with 38 seconds left at about the 10 yard line (Im guessing approx.?) and waltzed in to score.

After Lembo called a timeout which provided Tavani time to reconsider the merits of a 45 yards field goal. I suspect that Leopards assistant coaches bound and gagged Tavani and made the decision to go for. Lembo gave the AC's the time to kidnap Tavani by calling the TO.😩

[Pards Rule]

I understand LC fan's enjoyment of the 2005 game, but I believe the 1995 game was more exciting and better played by both teams, plus the OT factor. Of course, I'm naturally biased but attempting to stay somewhat objective here :)

Bill, we had a 30-14 lead with how much time left in that 1995 game?

[Lehigh'98]

Bill, we had a 30-14 lead with how much time left in that 1995 game?

I believe it was midway through the 4th quarter, maybe even later. Muerer (TE), made a 8 yd catch, broke 2 tackles and took it in. Completely changed everything.

[hawkineer]

I understand LC fan's enjoyment of the 2005 game, but I believe the 1995 game was more exciting and better played by both teams, plus the OT factor. Of course, I'm naturally biased but attempting to stay somewhat objective here :)
Was this game the Lehigh was down 30-14 and needed two TDs and two 2-points conversions just to get to OT? I believe LC fumbled a punt to lead to the 2nd TD. Then won on Klingerman's catch in OT.

[Southsider]

For those of you wondering Jonathan Hurt was the Lafayette tailback who got behind secondary to pull in a 39 yard TD with 38 seconds left at about the 10 yard line (Im guessing approx.?) and waltzed in to score.

Gee, some things never changexsmhx

[Pard4Life]

For those of you wondering Jonathan Hurt was the Lafayette tailback who got behind secondary to pull in a 39 yard TD with 38 seconds left at about the 10 yard line (Im guessing approx.?) and waltzed in to score.

See my signature PR. It may be earlier in thread - doesnt show when I post via mobile.

Hurt caught the ball at the five or so and crossed his feet into the end zone.

2005 was great because the Pards entered the 4th down by 9 or 10 I think.

Pat Davis pulled an Eli Manning and avoided a few sacks on fourth and long that would have ended the game.

The remarkable thing is that Davis was the back up since Maurer was injured on the first play or so. Davis had experience though.

[carney2]

Best game ever for me was 1961 even though Lehigh won, 17-14 on a final play wounded duck field goal. Lehigh was something like 7-1 going in and winners of the Lambert [Whatever]. Lafayette was its usual god-awful self with a 2-5-1 record. So many great things happened that it would require an epic tome that even LFN would be proud of.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Best game ever for me was 1961 even though Lehigh won, 17-14 on a final play wounded duck field goal. Lehigh was something like 7-1 going in and winners of the Lambert [Whatever]. Lafayette was its usual god-awful self with a 2-5-1 record. So many great things happened that it would require an epic tome that even LFN would be proud of.

Anyone who watched that game, on either side, routinely defines it as one of the greatest ever.

[hawkineer]

After Lembo called a timeout which provided Tavani time to reconsider the merits of a 45 yards field goal. I suspect that Leopards assistant coaches bound and gagged Tavani and made the decision to go for. Lembo gave the AC's the time to kidnap Tavani by calling the TO.😩

Actually Russo was the coach back. So not a Tavani issue. Still, the LU TO certainly led to a differ decision by the Pards.

[hawkineer]

Still waiting to see if anyone nominates the 1987 game @ Taylor as one of the most memorable if for no other reason than the Green Bay like weather.

[Pards Rule]

Was this game the Lehigh was down 30-14 and needed two TDs and two 2-points conversions just to get to OT? I believe LC fumbled a punt to lead to the 2nd TD. Then won on Klingerman's catch in OT.

Yes most definitely, particularly if it was mid 4th as another poster indicated. I recall it was 4th quarter, didn't know if early or mid. You were right the first time about 2005 though as it was Tavani (Russo announced his resignation days before the 1999 game with Harry Armstrong the frosh almost pulling off the miracle upset that year in Russo's final gme). I understand during the 2005 timeout Bob Heffner (OC, now with Northwestern) convinced Frank a 45 yarder wouldn't be a good bet. Hawineer that 1987 was the coldest game I ever attended by far. If I recall at the end of the game (and I stayed for 5th quarter goalpost rushing/fights which were definitely truncated that year due to the cold) there were maybe about 300 left in the stadium. Most had departed to watch in bars or back home by halftime.

[Pards Rule]

See my signature PR. It may be earlier in thread - doesnt show when I post via mobile.

Hurt caught the ball at the five or so and crossed his feet into the end zone.

2005 was great because the Pards entered the 4th down by 9 or 10 I think.


Pat Davis pulled an Eli Manning and avoided a few sacks on fourth and long that would have ended the game.

The remarkable thing is that Davis was the back up since Maurer was injured on the first play or so. Davis had experience though.

Who was the LC QB who came in for one play and fired a TD bomb in Lehigh game and thus finished 1 for 1 for 1??

[RichH2]

Best game ever for me was 1961 even though Lehigh won, 17-14 on a final play wounded duck field goal. Lehigh was something like 7-1 going in and winners of the Lambert [Whatever]. Lafayette was its usual god-awful self with a 2-5-1 record. So many great things happened that it would require an epic tome that even LFN would be proud of.
My first game. Epic is an understatement.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Loved coming up with this piece on Fred Dunlap's first-ever coaching victory, which happened to be in Rivalry #101.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2015/11/fifity-years-ago-fred-dunlaps-first.html

[hawkineer]

Yes most definitely, particularly if it was mid 4th as another poster indicated. I recall it was 4th quarter, didn't know if early or mid. You were right the first time about 2005 though as it was Tavani (Russo announced his resignation days before the 1999 game with Harry Armstrong the frosh almost pulling off the miracle upset that year in Russo's final gme). I understand during the 2005 timeout Bob Heffner (OC, now with Northwestern) convinced Frank a 45 yarder wouldn't be a good bet. Hawineer that 1987 was the coldest game I ever attended by far. If I recall at the end of the game (and I stayed for 5th quarter goalpost rushing/fights which were definitely truncated that year due to the cold) there were maybe about 300 left in the stadium. Most had departed to watch in bars or back home by halftime.
Thanks Pard for the clarification on the '05 game.

I was one of the 300 left at the '87 game.A pint of Yukon Jack got me to the end. If it wasn't the last game @ Taylor, I don't think I would have stuck it out.

[Pards Rule]

Thanks Pard for the clarification on the '05 game.

I was one of the 300 left at the '87 game.A pint of Yukon Jack got me to the end. If it wasn't the last game @ Taylor, I don't think I would have stuck it out.

I had no such benefit! I do somewhere have a 2x4 railing? painted brown that I took from Taylor that afternoon and somehow got into my Ford Escort! It was fairly long!

[RichH2]

Thanks Pard for the clarification on the '05 game.

I was one of the 300 left at the '87 game.A pint of Yukon Jack got me to the end. If it wasn't the last game @ Taylor, I don't think I would have stuck it out.
Made it to the start of the 3rd. Went to the Rosie for Rusty Nails. So cold.

[Pard4Life]

Bam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm8JGWJpi-4

[ngineer]

Was this game the Lehigh was down 30-14 and needed two TDs and two 2-points conversions just to get to OT? I believe LC fumbled a punt to lead to the 2nd TD. Then won on Klingerman's catch in OT.

Not only that but it was one-handed in the back of the endzone with darkness descending. Would have been very interesting to see how long the officials would have allowed it to go on had that not occurred.

[PAllen]

Not only that but it was one-handed in the back of the endzone with darkness descending. Would have been very interesting to see how long the officials would have allowed it to go on had that not occurred.

I was right behind the Lafayette bench before that overtime when the officials came over and relayed that they were going to move the game to another field (rugby or practice I don't remember) that had lights. Lehigh had already sent some athletics staffers over to help arrange moving the equipment. I have no idea how they were going to handle crowd control, but at least more than half of the fans had left during the 4th quarter thinking the game was over.

[ngineer]

Actually Russo was the coach back. So not a Tavani issue. Still, the LU TO certainly led to a differ decision by the Pards.

No, that was the Frankasaurus in 2005. I still vividly recall screaming "holding!" as Lehigh's DE was being dragged down by to the OT, while reaching for the QB. My initial reaction was that it was going to be a great sack and then the OT grabs the left shoulder pad and yanks as the DE's right arm is extending toward the QB's passing arm cocked back. It's like a slo-mo in my memory, like the Klingerman catch. Those plays never leave you. Even after the pass was launched, I thought our DB was going to knock it down, but he mistimed his leap, or went for the INT and the ball goes through his fingertips or just over them landing in Hurt's stomach and he sort of twists backward into the endzone. I swear there was a momentary period of silence as no one believed for a second what they just saw. Then there was pandemonium in the East stands and stunned silence in the West. Pistol Pete's last game at Lehigh.

[Lehigh'98]

I was right behind the Lafayette bench before that overtime when the officials came over and relayed that they were going to move the game to another field (rugby or practice I don't remember) that had lights. Lehigh had already sent some athletics staffers over to help arrange moving the equipment. I have no idea how they were going to handle crowd control, but at least more than half of the fans had left during the 4th quarter thinking the game was over.


Now this is something I have never heard before!!! Nice info. The closest lighted fields at that time would have been the practice fields behind our field house with the weight room over there. Same fields the Eagles used. However, I don't think they could have pulled it off logistically. It's probably 1/2 miles from the stadium. It would have just broken down into pure chaos. I think they would have to call the game. This could still happen today by the way.

[Pards Rule]

Not only that but it was one-handed in the back of the endzone with darkness descending. Would have been very interesting to see how long the officials would have allowed it to go on had that not occurred.

I always wondered that! Seriously what would have been the ending then a tie?

[Pards Rule]

Now this is something I have never heard before!!! Nice info. The closest lighted fields at that time would have been the practice fields behind our field house with the weight room over there. Same fields the Eagles used. However, I don't think they could have pulled it off logistically. It's probably 1/2 miles from the stadium. It would have just broken down into pure chaos. I think they would have to call the game. This could still happen today by the way.

If they had moved it, would that have made history as the first game played the same day on two different fields?

[Pards Rule]

No, that was the Frankasaurus in 2005. I still vividly recall screaming "holding!" as Lehigh's DE was being dragged down by to the OT, while reaching for the QB. My initial reaction was that it was going to be a great sack and then the OT grabs the left shoulder pad and yanks as the DE's right arm is extending toward the QB's passing arm cocked back. It's like a slo-mo in my memory, like the Klingerman catch. Those plays never leave you. Even after the pass was launched, I thought our DB was going to knock it down, but he mistimed his leap, or went for the INT and the ball goes through his fingertips or just over them landing in Hurt's stomach and he sort of twists backward into the endzone. I swear there was a momentary period of silence as no one believed for a second what they just saw. Then there was pandemonium in the East stands and stunned silence in the West. Pistol Pete's last game at Lehigh.

Today is the 10th anniversary :) I recall NOT having a ticket for the game and going out early to Goodman to scout for one. Not seeing or hearing anyone near the gate selling I hooked up with this guy who had a sign 4 tix needed (I didn't bother with a sign as I thought I could get one from hawkers at gate) and he crossed off the 4 to a 3 to a 2 as he successfully bought singles. Down to 1 ticket he promised to give me the sign after he secured it. He went to move forward toward the unloading busses and I was trailing him by about 20 yards when behold there was a ticket on the ground!! No one was around! Scooped up, it was for the West (Lehigh) side! Oh well at least I was in and I celebrated by hitting the tailgates. One Lehigh tailgater was vocally offering a ticket and mentioned to me (in LC gear) it was on "your side"..I offered him a flat up trade and he wanted a $10 kicker! I said no way and told him I could really sit anywhere with what I had on my side. He disputed that and I told him he would have easier time selling my Lehigh one. As I walked away, he changed his mind so I had a seat on our side to watch an incredible comeback victory.

[PAllen]

If they had moved it, would that have made history as the first game played the same day on two different fields?

Would have been. Would also have been cool as it would have been a true old time football experience except for the lights. Just a bunch of folks crowded around a football field with no real stadium. Cool that is until the melee broke out as people pushed and shoved for a better view. Logistically it would have been a nightmare. Just another reason to be grateful for "the catch".

[Pard4Life]

No, that was the Frankasaurus in 2005. I still vividly recall screaming "holding!" as Lehigh's DE was being dragged down by to the OT, while reaching for the QB. My initial reaction was that it was going to be a great sack and then the OT grabs the left shoulder pad and yanks as the DE's right arm is extending toward the QB's passing arm cocked back. It's like a slo-mo in my memory, like the Klingerman catch. Those plays never leave you. Even after the pass was launched, I thought our DB was going to knock it down, but he mistimed his leap, or went for the INT and the ball goes through his fingertips or just over them landing in Hurt's stomach and he sort of twists backward into the endzone. I swear there was a momentary period of silence as no one believed for a second what they just saw. Then there was pandemonium in the East stands and stunned silence in the West. Pistol Pete's last game at Lehigh.

And I don't remember a thing after Hurt crossed that goal line!!! Next thing I recall is Lehigh attempting futile plays after getting the ball back with seconds left

[Lehigh'98]

And I don't remember a thing after Hurt crossed that goal line!!! Next thing I recall is Lehigh attempting futile plays after getting the ball back with seconds left

Did you get clocked in the head in the ensuing celebration?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Did you get clocked in the head in the ensuing celebration?

That would explain a lot.

I was on the sidelines for The Big Hurt. I was ready to take pictures of Lehigh football players celebrating. Instead I saw helmets slammed to the ground and water bottles spiked in anger.

[Franks Tanks]

No, that was the Frankasaurus in 2005. I still vividly recall screaming "holding!" as Lehigh's DE was being dragged down by to the OT, while reaching for the QB. My initial reaction was that it was going to be a great sack and then the OT grabs the left shoulder pad and yanks as the DE's right arm is extending toward the QB's passing arm cocked back. It's like a slo-mo in my memory, like the Klingerman catch. Those plays never leave you. Even after the pass was launched, I thought our DB was going to knock it down, but he mistimed his leap, or went for the INT and the ball goes through his fingertips or just over them landing in Hurt's stomach and he sort of twists backward into the endzone. I swear there was a momentary period of silence as no one believed for a second what they just saw. Then there was pandemonium in the East stands and stunned silence in the West. Pistol Pete's last game at Lehigh.

There was a moment of silence! I recall everyone just sort of looking at each other to make sure it actually happened...and the ref signaled TD, and there was no flag before going nuts.

It was the defining moment of the Frank era, yet he almost blew it. Frank was planning to attempt a very long FG, but he called a TO and Heffner convinced him to go for it instead of trying a very low % FG.

[Pards Rule]

That would explain a lot.

I was on the sidelines for The Big Hurt. I was ready to take pictures of Lehigh football players celebrating. Instead I saw helmets slammed to the ground and water bottles spiked in anger.

Did you get a picture of that??

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

The "Big Hurt" was just things happening in 3's that year. The Delaware and Holy Cross losses were equally brutal imo. In fact, sitting out to witness the HC debacle was far worse than witnessing the Big Hurt. I was literally sick from the monsoon by the time I reached Quakertown that day....

I still have no idea how they choked away the Delaware game. That was darn good Lehigh team. Gerran Walker was a beast on those slip screens....

[Lehigh Football Nation]

The "Big Hurt" was just things happening in 3's that year. The Delaware and Holy Cross losses were equally brutal imo. In fact, sitting out to witness the HC debacle was far worse than witnessing the Big Hurt. I was literally sick from the monsoon by the time I reached Quakertown that day....

I still have no idea how they choked away the Delaware game. That was darn good Lehigh team. Gerran Walker was a beast on those slip screens....

A missed extra point kick in overtime. Agony.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

A missed extra point kick in overtime. Agony.

It never should have made it to OT...

[LUHawker]

3rd most painful loss I experienced after Holy Cross in 91 and UMass quarterfinals in 98.

[Pards Rule]

Regarding that 2005 game, a summary said Lehigh was winning 19-10 with just over 10 minutes left in game and then LC scored narrowing it to 19-17 and then came the famous Hurt play with 38 seconds left, making final 23-19. What happened to the extra point? I don't recall!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Regarding that 2005 game, a summary said Lehigh was winning 19-10 with just over 10 minutes left in game and then LC scored narrowing it to 19-17 and then came the famous Hurt play with 38 seconds left, making final 23-19. What happened to the extra point? I don't recall!

Likely went for 2 so lead would be 6. Leo was extremely inconsistent. A missed XP cost Lehigh against UD....

[carney2]

No. 151?

[Pards Rule]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21845&stc=1

Actually No. 149!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Preview of Rivalry 151.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2015/11/game-preview-rivalry151-lafayette-at.html

carney, you'll have to wait for my fearless prediction.

[carney2]

Preview of Rivalry 151.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2015/11/game-preview-rivalry151-lafayette-at.html

carney, you'll have to wait for my fearless prediction.

I have it figured out (see earlier post). You're picking an upset.

From the Lafayette Game Notes: the injury situation has "leveled out" at 14 out for the season and not playing in 151. Those that will be missed the most:

Matt Mrazek WR - "Best" WR
Chris Brockman LB - Team leader. Did not play much, if at all, this season.
Draeland James DB - Experienced.
Steve Mercado DL
John Hoffman OL

[hawkineer]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21845&stc=1

Actually No. 149!
Perhaps the only time in my life that I wish that I was a leopard.😁

[Pard4Life]

Seriously, who would ever kiss a Hawk?

Have you ever seen Hawk inspired female wear... need I say more?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Seriously, who would ever kiss a Hawk?

Have you ever seen Hawk inspired female wear... need I say more?

I beg to differ.

http://buffaloexchangefashion.com/bx74blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Desert-Dresses01b.jpg

[Pard4Life]

Not sure how to respond to that... Goth nature girl?

[Pard4Life]

Well we both stink this year... That has kept the trolls away at least... mainly Lehigh trolls. Same Pard guys are here as usual!

[KillaBee]

the leopards will win by 33 against the lehigh owls.... not even a close game!!!!!!!!!!

[Lehigh'98]

Prediction: Lafayette Sucks!!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Prediction: Lafayette Sucks!!

Not exactly a fearless prediction but I'm willing to go with it

[Pard4Life]

Beat the Owls!!! Hawks!! Or whatever name they adopt when they feel like it

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

It is rather interesting that the Lehigh-Lafayette thread has 12 pages while 'Cats-'Griz has 7.....

[Go...gate]

Beat the Owls!!! Hawks!! Or whatever name they adopt when they feel like it

For Pete's sake, Lehigh, go back to being the Engineers......

[carney2]

It is rather interesting that the Lehigh-Lafayette thread has 12 pages while 'Cats-'Griz has 7.....

And in a year when both fan bases are lukewarm at best.

[Pard4Life]

It is rather interesting that the Lehigh-Lafayette thread has 12 pages while 'Cats-'Griz has 7.....

Seriously? You have to point that out?

This is a fan base that starts talking about how crappy we are and pivots to athletic scholarships to the best places to tailgate to how Holy Cross coulda been in the Big East.

[ngineer]

It never should have made it to OT...

Correct. Up by two TDs in the fourth quarter. smh.

[ngineer]

Excellent 50 Game Luncheon today honoring the "50 Gamers" and the Seniors. All captains got to speak and were very focused. New President John Simon appeared wearing a home game jersey with his name stitched on the back. The guy has really engaged in Lehigh's traditions. Was at the first home wrestling match tonight in Grace Hall and went in to the locker room and addressed the team before they headed out to throttle Pittsburgh, 27-7. A good omen for tomorrow. Has Byerly ever worn a Leopard jersey??? Does Lafayette have a 50 Game club?

[Pard4Life]

Excellent 50 Game Luncheon today honoring the "50 Gamers" and the Seniors. All captains got to speak and were very focused. New President John Simon appeared wearing a home game jersey with his name stitched on the back. The guy has really engaged in Lehigh's traditions. Was at the first home wrestling match tonight in Grace Hall and went in to the locker room and addressed the team before they headed out to throttle Pittsburgh, 27-7. A good omen for tomorrow. Has Byerly ever worn a Leopard jersey??? Does Lafayette have a 50 Game club?

You said the same thing last year and no-show'd...

[Lehigh'98]

You said the same thing last year and no-show'd...

P4L gets extra frisky this time of year. Especially insufferable riding a 2 yr streak. Time to restore order and euthanize the kittens.

[Engineer86]

Game Day!

I will be there at 9 for the Lehigh Lafayette Outdoor Party! Game day atmosphere is great. Much different than at Pardville. Of course last year was a several day event .... Helped me forget the game.

Have fun and be safe! Go Lehigh!

[Pards Rule]

Game Day!

I will be there at 9 for the Lehigh Lafayette Outdoor Party! Game day atmosphere is great. Much different than at Pardville. Of course last year was a several day event .... Helped me forget the game.

Have fun and be safe! Go Lehigh!


Arrived last night amid an unplanned stop in Columbus NJ at MM 52.8 on I-295...But all good and ready for today!!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Save me a seat. I'll be up there by 11.

[CHIP72]

One thing I always love about the L-L game is you can watch both the Lafayette broadcast and the Lehigh broadcast on different channels.

For me personally (Verizon FiOS):
*Lafayette - MASN (Ch. 577), ESPN3 (streaming)
*Lehigh - FCS Pacific (Ch. 302) - this broadcast unfortunately has letter-boxing on all sides, reducing the size of the video on the screen

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

14-0 Lehigh! Shaf looks great!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh 21-0 14:15 2Q

[PantherRob82]

Beatdown city. Great way for Lehigh fans to end the season.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

TD Lafayette...

21-7 10:00 2Q

[PAllen]

This officiating crew would struggle to call a good high school game. The HL has been jawing since before the game started. Now the FJ tries to make up for it. It's a rivalry game. If you're going to let holding go that much, you have to let a little else go too, especially when it's celebrating on your own sideline.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

TD Lehigh!

28-7 Lehigh 6:50 2Q

[PantherRob82]

Untouched rushing TD. How ugly will this score get?

[PantherRob82]

Huge bomb for Lafayette called back on the holding penalty.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Untouched rushing TD. How ugly will this score get?

You're underestimating how bad Lehigh's defense is....

[BucBisonAtLarge]

Just a note--
It is sweet to be sitting in Albuquerque, watching 151 on Fox Sports Pacific.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

28-14 Lehigh at half. Shaf's lack of awareness cost Lehigh a shot at a reasonable FG before half ...

Game is far from over. Lehigh can't allow this to get to one possession heading into the 4th....

[Lehigh'98]

That could be a huge error depending how this half goes.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh with a 80 yard fumble return for a TD!

42-14 8:40 3Q

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Not quite 33 yet

[carney2]

I left the Stadium in the 1st quarter. Told the people in my section that I'll be back when Tavani resigns.

Am home watching Michigan @ Penn State. No Tavani and both schools take it seriously.

[PAllen]

We need to score again.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

TD 'Pards. Lehigh's still needs to keep scoring....

42-21 0:55 3Q

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

This is the game here. D needs a stop...

[PAllen]

Why are we scared to kick a field goal?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Btw...i actually like Lehigh's late 90's looking uniforms. Much better then the early season uni's....

[CHIP72]

Btw...i actually like Lehigh's late 90's looking uniforms. Much better then the early season uni's....

I generally like the helmet color = pants color for most football uniforms.

Lehigh should wear their L-L 151 uniforms at home all the time.

[CHIP72]

Lehigh TU Owl also likes what happened in his other primary game of interest today...

(I plan to be at the Connecticut/Temple game next Saturday.)

[PAllen]

Why are we scared to kick a field goal?

I guess that's why.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

The defense is beyond pathetic....

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh TU Owl also likes what happened in his other primary game of interest today...

(I plan to be at the Connecticut/Temple game next Saturday.)

Huge win for Temple! I'm going to try and make it next week as well....

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

TD Brags! Congrats on a 1000 yards!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lehigh 56, Lafayette 23

One scoop-and-score to go!

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Can the defense keep them under 30 points?

[PAllen]

Timeout, really? You're down 21 with a minute left.

[PAllen]

Can the defense keep them under 30 points?

Nope

[PAllen]

This was so much more fun when a win today meant watching tomorrow to see who we would be playing in the playoffs.

[PantherRob82]

You're underestimating how bad Lehigh's defense is....

Apparently. xlolx

[CHIP72]

Lehigh finishes 6-5. Considering their lost 2014 season (3-8), this was a good season for the Mountain Hawks.

As for Lafayette...the less said about 2015, the better. At least their offense was effective today.

[Engineer86]

What was the final, I left to joy a buddy's home brew once LU went up 42-14 on the fumble. Great day all around.

[CHIP72]

What was the final, I left to joy a buddy's home brew once LU went up 42-14 on the fumble. Great day all around.

Lehigh won 49-35.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

The game seemed to play out how one would have guessed. The Mountain Hawks jumped out early, Lafayette was bumbling, then the 'Pards finally figured out just how bad the Lehigh defense is but they were too far behind at that point.

It was a win Lehigh had to have. It's good to beat your rival and notch a winning season. Still, they'll be right back here next year in a similar spot if the defense doesn't get better. You think pride would have prevented them from hitting 30? I've never seen a Lehigh who gives up points like this. Small's defenses his final 3-4 years weren't terrible. Not this bad....

Lafayette finished 1-10 which is now their 6th straight losing season. I don't see how this can go on....

1,000 yards for Brags! Freshman of The Year? 1st team all league with Edmonds?

[carney2]

Lafayette finished 1-10 which is now their 6th straight losing season. I don't see how this can go on....

But it will. Tavani is still the coach and he does not appear to have pen in hand to write the prayed for resignation. The recruiting has been bad, even by Patriot League standards. No sign that the incoming freshman class will give them a bump. (Two QBs signed from the Lehigh Valley. Neither will be playing QB in college, and God knows what else is expected of them. Could both turn out to be all League DBs or wideouts I guess, but it looks like two wasted scholarships at this point.) They begin 2016 with five games they probably can't win. Hey, if they go 2-9, they are 100% improved, but it realistically looks like a 3 or 4 win team.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I generally like the helmet color = pants color for most football uniforms.

Lehigh should wear their L-L 151 uniforms at home all the time.

I think the gold helmet should be kept since they've used it now for 30 years. I really liked the clean look of today's uniforms. Maybe because it seemed like they always won 15-20 years ago with today's look? I also like the all whites with Lehigh on the helmet. Keep todays for home and the all whites for the road? They jerseys with the stripes on the shoulders never looked right to me.

[CHIP72]

Perhaps Lehigh could have an alternate dark brown helmet they could wear with white jerseys and dark brown pants.

[Pards Rule]

Well Coach Gruden sat behind me and he nicely posed with my Pard. Had some good chats with him during the game. A classic pic!

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21857&stc=1

[ngineer]

Perhaps Lehigh could have an alternate dark brown helmet they could wear with white jerseys and dark brown pants.

90 X $250 per helmet=$22,500. I think the money would be better spent on booster the salary of the position of DC and hire someone is not stuck on one scheme all the time.

[ngineer]

Finally had a great dinner after this Game in a couple years. Players from the 60's and '70s' gathered in the Packer Dining Room with former HC Fred Dunlap and his family. A wonderful get together of the Lehigh football family that was part of the 'great turnaround' from LU's moribound program of early-mid '60's.

Lehigh's offense is remindful of the 'air Lehigh" days, only more balanced. It can move quickly with so many options. If we can find some SEMBLANCE of a defense next year, this can be top 15 team. Excellent young talent,and the seniors this year set a great example of leadership that, hopefully, will spill down upon the juniors. I do give kudos for the Leopards fight. I am sure their coaches told them to hang in there knowing that our defense was not what it looked like in the first quarter. Was most impressed with #30. He can be a real threat next year. I was optimistically picking 7-4 this year, and it should have been that, if not 8-3 had the turnover epidemic not hit--but that is what separates very good teams from mediocre teams. Until Lehigh learns to play defense and protect the ball, that is what we will be...though exciting. But I would rather go 9-2, 10-1 with scores like 28-14, rather than 5-6, 6-5 with scores like 49-42.

[Lehigh'98]

We won't get out of this range of 4-7 to 7-4 until we find a way to fix the defense. Coach Bott will probably 'retire' now. Coen is loyal to a fault though. Sterrett may have to mandate changes.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Lehigh has the tools on offense to be a Top 20 team next year. They'll have one of best set of skill guys in FCS imo. The WR's as a group are exceptional. The OL continues to be a strength as well. The key will be coming up with a steady #2 RB and working with Shaf to continue to develop as a passer. Or to perhaps give Mayes a more active role ala Colvin/Lum...

The defense is an absolute mess. Lehigh's not the only team to be facing this problem. Horrific defense finally caught up with Eastern Washington and Montana State this year....

[CHIP72]

90 X $250 per helmet=$22,500. I think the money would be better spent on booster the salary of the position of DC and hire someone is not stuck on one scheme all the time.

Lehigh already has a couple different helmet combinations. They could merely get rid of the white ones, which I personally strongly dislike...

[Lehigh'98]

Lehigh has the tools on offense to be a Top 20 team next year. They'll have one of best set of skill guys in FCS imo. The WR's as a group are exceptional. The OL continues to be a strength as well. The key will be coming up with a steady #2 RB and working with Shaf to continue to develop as a passer. Or to perhaps give Mayes a more active role ala Colvin/Lum...

The defense is an absolute mess. Lehigh's not the only team to be facing this problem. Horrific defense finally caught up with Eastern Washington and Montana State this year....

They may have the tools on offense, but Shaf hasn't proven it against higher level competition. He couldn't do much against JMU, Yale or Princeton. The wins came against CCSU (bad), Penn (best win of year), Bucknell (bad), Gtown (bad), Cross (bad) and Lafayette (putrid). I know people are excited by what they have seen at the end of the year, but keep some perspectives on who we were beating. We have 1 quality win this year and it's In That team's first game. Even I was encouraged, but more by what I saw in Mayes.

Defense is a mess, we don't have the tools to be a top 20 team with most of these guys. I'm starting to wonder if we can even recruit good defensive players lately. The it's always great to beat Lafayette, but they even put up 35 on us and this year was a must Win or else vs a historically bad team. I know I'm taking a pessimistic view here, but watching the defense get shredded has done it to me lately. Hey, at least we aren't Lafayette.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

They may have the tools on offense, but Shaf hasn't proven it against higher level competition. He couldn't do much against JMU, Yale or Princeton. The wins came against CCSU (bad), Penn (best win of year), Bucknell (bad), Gtown (bad), Cross (bad) and Lafayette (putrid). I know people are excited by what they have seen at the end of the year, but keep some perspectives on who we were beating. We have 1 quality win this year and it's In That team's first game. Even I was encouraged, but more by what I saw in Mayes.

Defense is a mess, we don't have the tools to be a top 20 team with most of these guys. I'm starting to wonder if we can even recruit good defensive players lately. The it's always great to beat Lafayette, but they even put up 35 on us and this year was a must Win or else vs a historically bad team. I know I'm taking a pessimistic view here, but watching the defense get shredded has done it to me lately. Hey, at least we aren't Lafayette.

I don't think you're pessimistic at all. I was at the JMU and Princeton games. I saw how bad the looked at times. The Yale game was also a poor performance. In fact, the Yale game was probably the worst showing of the year. To give up 35 points to a putrid Lafayette offense is tough to swallow even in victory too.

The PL in general was rather poor so the late season success needs to taken with some level perspective. Still, there's a lot of very talented FCS players on offense. Shaf is so tough to figure out because he's a damn good football player but not a typical QB. He rarely hesitates to run if his first read or two is not there. He's like Northern Illinois's Jordan Lynch...

The OOC schedule next year is interesting. (the 'Nova game still seems up in the air) Not murderers row but no lay-ups either...

The expectation for next year has to be for the D to be improved enough so that Lehigh can compete for the league title or an at-large bid...

[RichH2]

I thought with a mediocre D we could go 7-4,8-3. Alas,we approached mediocre inconsistently all year. Four years of bad to atrocious defense requires a change. Hope Botts does retire. Andy very loyal and unless forced to,not likely to fire him. We are paying the price for years of poor recruiting D players. Most of our best D players are frosh and soph guys. Youth,injuries certainly a part of the issue. Coaching ? I dont know but consistency comes from experience and coaching. Both need to be in place next year.

[hawkineer]

Hope Botts does retire. Andy very loyal and unless forced to,not likely to fire him.
If true, then Andy's ability to be an effective HEAD COACH really needs to be questioned. It is his responsibility to assemble the best staff that he can who in turn put the players in the best position to succeed.

Being in a position of responsibility, he needs to hold those under him accountable for their performance. Unfortunately, this may force him to make difficult if not unpleasant decisions at times. It's ulimately about leadership.

If this year was just a blip, the defensive mess could be attributed to stuff happens. However, it has been a steep decline under Botts. Having given up 50 points three times this year for the first time in well over 100 years, there's no assurance that 2015 was rock bottom. There will not be championships or playoffs until this defense is vastly improved.

The pitiful defensive performance today, as it has done far too often this year, put a damper on what was otherwise a good win.

[Lehigh'98]

If true, then Andy's ability to be an effective HEAD COACH really needs to be questioned. It is his responsibility to assemble the best staff that he can who in turn put the players in the best position to succeed.


Being in a position of responsibility, he needs to hold those under him accountable for their performance. Unfortunately, this may force him to make difficult if not unpleasant decisions at times. It's ulimately about leadership.

If this year was just a blip, the defensive mess could be attributed to stuff happens. However, it has been a steep decline under Botts. Having given up 50 points three times this year for the first time in well over 100 years, there's no assurance that 2015 was rock bottom. There will not be championships or playoffs until this defense is vastly improved.

The pitiful defensive performance today, as it has done far too often this year, put a damper on what was otherwise a good win.

I'm pretty sure almost every change in Coens staff throughout his tenure has been through some sort of arm twisting from Sterrett. A lot of these guys he has a long history with. Lehigh has had the same family of coaches since Higgins really.

[ngineer]

I'm pretty sure almost every change in Coens staff throughout his tenure has been through some sort of arm twisting from Sterrett. A lot of these guys he has a long history with. Lehigh has had the same family of coaches since Higgins really.

Not sure where you get this. Folmar is only second year and almost the entire defense staff, except Bott and Donnie, were hired just last year. WR and RB coaches are new as is the special teams coach.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

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Not sure where you get this. Folmar is only second year and almost the entire defense staff, except Bott and Donnie, were hired just last year. WR and RB coaches are new as is the special teams coach.

Speaking of Folmar. His stock is definitely rising. I have to believe he will start to draw some FCS HC/FBS OC attention if the offense continues on its current path. He already has head coaching experience....

[Lehigh'98]

[/B]
Not sure where you get this. Folmar is only second year and almost the entire defense staff, except Bott and Donnie, were hired just last year. WR and RB coaches are new as is the special teams coach.

Probably wasn't clear enough on that. When changes had to be made due to poor performance, not guys leaving

[RichH2]

Andy is loyal. Trey and Donnie Roberts . Stuck with Trey until required to fire him. Loyalty not a bad thing ,even in Head Coaches. Pretty normal to hire guys you know,if they are qualified. Brown was on paper just not in reality. Andy brought in Ceech,another guy he knew. When Coack K left he went with Roberts and Wicher. It didn"t. Botts came in. It is not working. Perhaps not fair given staff turnover,poor prior recruiting ,injuries etc,but in any job you have to deal with the hand you're dealt and play it. Two years,no improvement. Some flashes here and there but no sustained good play. Can this staff do that? Dont know if more experience and depth will alter this situation.

[jmufan999]

Well Coach Gruden sat behind me and he nicely posed with my Pard. Had some good chats with him during the game. A classic pic!

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21857&stc=1

does he have a kid that goes there? what's the story?

that's pretty cool.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Even the radio guys were poking fun at the defense after the game.

I remember the last 3-4 years of the Small era and those defenses weren't this bad. In fact, they were actually fairly respectable if you look at the ppg. There was a future pro in Rich Owens, Kevin Jefferson, Lee Piccorello, Lance Haynes etc. That 1991 team had legit playmakers. They gave up some points but also played a big time schedule....

[CHIP72]

does he have a kid that goes there? what's the story?

that's pretty cool.

Yeah, Gruden's son was a senior on the Lafayette team (something I didn't know until this game).

I now understand why Lafayette had a drawing in 2014 to meet Jon Gruden and the MNF crew prior to either an Eagles MNF home game or Jets MNF home game in the middle of the season.

[Pards Rule]

does he have a kid that goes there? what's the story?

that's pretty cool.

Deuce (I assumed named after Cover 2) his son is a RB/ST player on the team. He said he was at 5 games this year. His wife Cindy is at left in photo. He said Deuce just loves Lafayette.

[PAllen]

Even the radio guys were poking fun at the defense after the game.

I remember the last 3-4 years of the Small era and those defenses weren't this bad. In fact, they were actually fairly respectable if you look at the ppg. There was a future pro in Rich Owens, Kevin Jefferson, Lee Piccorello, Lance Haynes etc. That 1991 team had legit playmakers. They gave up some points but also played a big time schedule....

Yeah, those teams were the previous benchmark for bad D. They gave up fewer points against very good competition. This D made a habit of giving up 5+ TDs against teams that struggle to run plays against tackling dumbies.

[Doc QB]

Andy is loyal. Trey and Donnie Roberts . Stuck with Trey until required to fire him. Loyalty not a bad thing ,even in Head Coaches. Pretty normal to hire guys you know,if they are qualified. Brown was on paper just not in reality. Andy brought in Ceech,another guy he knew. When Coack K left he went with Roberts and Wicher. It didn"t. Botts came in. It is not working. Perhaps not fair given staff turnover,poor prior recruiting ,injuries etc,but in any job you have to deal with the hand you're dealt and play it. Two years,no improvement. Some flashes here and there but no sustained good play. Can this staff do that? Dont know if more experience and depth will alter this situation.

Andy's staff is really quite young, and I think the inexperience shows. Many of the position guys across the board, at DIII players and started coaching at that level. Thos jobs ate typically
NOT full time gigs. So, to have a DC who has had some success in last, a DL guy who maybe has t, and really houng position guys, I think this is a formula that is easy to see isnt where we may want to be. My era was mentioned in this thread, on D we had Higgins, Reese, Steckel for a long while, and all had FCS/I-AA experience for years, each at multiple Ivy and old Yankee conf schools. All have moved on to bigger venues, coach Reese sadly passed away a few years back. Today, our staff may be a product of who we cant get, what we can pay. Can't imagine we pay LESS now that back them though. Playeg golf w Cecchini before his last year, without saying it directly, seemed to intimate we dont have tons of cash for those position asst guys, given the many other places the budget needs to stretch.

Proud of the team either way. Coulda had some things go better and post anbetter record, but that's football. Still need to fix the D to be where we want league-wise and hopefully OOC and nationally if playoffs come our way.

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Andy is loyal. Trey and Donnie Roberts . Stuck with Trey until required to fire him. Loyalty not a bad thing ,even in Head Coaches. Pretty normal to hire guys you know,if they are qualified. Brown was on paper just not in reality. Andy brought in Ceech,another guy he knew. When Coack K left he went with Roberts and Wicher. It didn"t. Botts came in. It is not working. Perhaps not fair given staff turnover,poor prior recruiting ,injuries etc,but in any job you have to deal with the hand you're dealt and play it. Two years,no improvement. Some flashes here and there but no sustained good play. Can this staff do that? Dont know if more experience and depth will alter this situation.

Andy's staff is really quite young, and I think the inexperience shows. Many of the position guys across the board, at DIII players and started coaching at that level. Thos jobs ate typically
NOT full time gigs. So, to have a DC who has had some success in last, a DL guy who maybe has t, and really houng position guys, I think this is a formula that is easy to see isnt where we may want to be. My era was mentioned in this thread, on D we had Higgins, Reese, Steckel for a long while, and all had FCS/I-AA experience for years, each at multiple Ivy and old Yankee conf schools. All have moved on to bigger venues, coach Reese sadly passed away a few years back. Today, our staff may be a product of who we cant get, what we can pay. Can't imagine we pay LESS now that back them though. Playeg golf w Cecchini before his last year, without saying it directly, seemed to intimate we dont have tons of cash for those position asst guys, given the many other places the budget needs to stretch.

Proud of the team either way. Coulda had some things go better and post anbetter record, but that's football. Still need to fix the D to be where we want league-wise and hopefully OOC and nationally if playoffs come our way.

[ngineer]

Yes, I think budget is the primary driver in how we are able to recruit for coaching staff. Maybe less money on "multiple" fashion show uniforms and put that towards bumping salaries to attract more experienced coaches. OTOH, wasn't Bott the DC in the late 90's when we were on a pretty good run? Just seemed to me this year that we didn't 'change up' the defense much and stayed in the base 3-4 rover. At Colgate, we didn't move more big bodies onto the DL when they got inside the five. The LBs just too small to deal with 290 lb OL. I spoke with one of our LBs about Colgate and our lack of hardly blitzing, which was so effective the two previous weeks against Gtown and Cross and he, too, seemed dismayed that they hadn't given that at least at try considering the 'base' wasn't effective. Need someone with the ability to adjust on the fly and not wait until halftime to make adjustments, assuming they are willing to consider them.

[Southsider]

I generally like the helmet color = pants color for most football uniforms.

Lehigh should wear their L-L 151 uniforms at home all the time.

No way! Stick with the traditional uni they wore for HC.! I think the gold hats are dull, just like the Defense!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

It's not the first recap out there. But it's hopefully the best.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2015/11/lehigh-rewrites-recent-history-and.html

[RootinFerDukes]

So i'm just now watching this game and it's the early 3rd quarter. There were two consecutive unsportsmanlike conduct penalties called. one against lafayette for "bowing" towards a player after making a defensive pass deflection. the other was lehigh scoring on the next play and the player just did a dancing motion directed at his own teammate.

These are two of the stupidest penalty calls i've ever seen. Give me a friggin break. I'd love to see these calls against JMU's CAA opponents when they excessively celebrate their TDs and taunt at the crowd. Those flags are, of course, nowhere to be found.

[Franks Tanks]

So i'm just now watching this game and it's the early 3rd quarter. There were two consecutive unsportsmanlike conduct penalties called. one against lafayette for "bowing" towards a player after making a defensive pass deflection. the other was lehigh scoring on the next play and the player just did a dancing motion directed at his own teammate.

These are two of the stupidest penalty calls i've ever seen. Give me a friggin break. I'd love to see these calls against JMU's CAA opponents when they excessively celebrate their TDs and taunt at the crowd. Those flags are, of course, nowhere to be found.


Officiating sucked! There were way too many ticky-tak calls all game, and I am including ones that went both ways. Zebra's need to learn we aren't there to see them.

[LehighU11]

Officiating sucked! There were way too many ticky-tak calls all game, and I am including ones that went both ways. Zebra's need to learn we aren't there to see them.

Nothing new for Patriot League officiating to be abhorrent, but Saturday definitely had an excessive number of ticky-tak calls.

The 147th in 2011 had a similar series of questionable calls of the same nature. I recall one of our LBs, Colin Newton, being incorrectly penalized for a late hit at the start of the game (it was a teammate who committed the personal foul). Then, he returned a fumble for a TD and somersaulted into the end zone. There was an LC player coming across the field towards him, but the refs decided it was unsportsmanlike conduct and ejected him for his 2nd unsportsmanlike penalty.

[Pards Rule]

It was ridiculous. Even Coach Gruden behind me was like "let them play ref"

[ngineer]

Agreed about the officiating. In addition to the above noted "penalties", the "targeting" foul was shown to also be a travesty. Lehigh player led with his shoulder and the Lafayette receiver lowered his head. The contact between the helmets was glancing. This, even after it was reviewed 'upstairs'. The player was then ejected. A senior in his last game. Twas a damn shame. The "bowing" penalties, I also thought were 'ticky tack' but I do understand the refs' concerns in such a rivalry game from letting things get out of hand. Coen was heard to yell at Pelletier as he came of the field to "smarten up!"

[Pards Rule]

Agreed about the officiating. In addition to the above noted "penalties", the "targeting" foul was shown to also be a travesty. Lehigh player led with his shoulder and the Lafayette receiver lowered his head. The contact between the helmets was glancing. This, even after it was reviewed 'upstairs'. The player was then ejected. A senior in his last game. Twas a damn shame. The "bowing" penalties, I also thought were 'ticky tack' but I do understand the refs' concerns in such a rivalry game from letting things get out of hand. Coen was heard to yell at Pelletier as he came of the field to "smarten up!"

I was in the stands and without the benefit of a replay scoreboard didn't see a rerun of the targeting play but it looked like as it played out in front of me as NOT a target. After the dude was ejected (which I didn't know was the second half of the penalty!) I looked in the program and remarked to my friend that he was a senior and a shame to be ejected in first quarter of his last game, ultimately a Hawk win. LFN, I do call them as I see them! I also thought the bowing penalty was just ridiculous. What did Pelletier do to warrant his flag. I was talking to Coach Gruden after that TD :)

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I was in the stands and without the benefit of a replay scoreboard didn't see a rerun of the targeting play but it looked like as it played out in front of me as NOT a target. After the dude was ejected (which I didn't know was the second half of the penalty!) I looked in the program and remarked to my friend that he was a senior and a shame to be ejected in first quarter of his last game, ultimately a Hawk win. LFN, I do call them as I see them! I also thought the bowing penalty was just ridiculous. What did Pelletier do to warrant his flag. I was talking to Coach Gruden after that TD :)

I also thought that both unsportsmanlikes were ludicrous, and said so in the box. Pelletier's flag was for doing the kissing-the-bicep thing after the TD catch.

[Pards Rule]

I also thought that both unsportsmanlikes were ludicrous, and said so in the box. Pelletier's flag was for doing the kissing-the-bicep thing after the TD catch.

Classic...someone should grab those two segments and post them to show how ridiculous they were. Not that it mattered but I thought the LC player (number 34 a frosh from nearby Haddonfield NJ listed in the program as one Mark Walker) bowed toward the Lehigh stands? Would that interpretation merit a flag? He was also the player flagged for a USL that cost the Pards a critical third down stop against LU too. The bow came after whatever he did the first time. LFN isn't two USLs ground for ejection or what is the rule?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Classic...someone should grab those two segments and post them to show how ridiculous they were. Not that it mattered but I thought the LC player (number 34 a frosh from nearby Haddonfield NJ listed in the program as one Mark Walker) bowed toward the Lehigh stands? Would that interpretation merit a flag? He was also the player flagged for a USL that cost the Pards a critical third down stop against LU too. The bow came after whatever he did the first time. LFN isn't two USLs ground for ejection or what is the rule?

Two USLs are indeed grounds for ejection. In the box score for Lehigh, the foul on 34 was replaced by a personal foul on Smalley (not a USL). Maybe that's how they got around it.

A lot of Lehigh people were really pissed at the targeting call in Rigaud. My understanding of the rule is that there's not a lot of leeway - if helmet to helmet contact happens (it did), then it's targeting. I know 100% it wasn't Rigaud's intent to go helmet to helmet, but I thought that there was no choice.

[Andy]

Agreed about the officiating. In addition to the above noted "penalties", the "targeting" foul was shown to also be a travesty. Lehigh player led with his shoulder and the Lafayette receiver lowered his head. The contact between the helmets was glancing. This, even after it was reviewed 'upstairs'. The player was then ejected. A senior in his last game. Twas a damn shame. The "bowing" penalties, I also thought were 'ticky tack' but I do understand the refs' concerns in such a rivalry game from letting things get out of hand. Coen was heard to yell at Pelletier as he came of the field to "smarten up!"

Shoulder to the head or neck area of a "defenseless player" is "targeting." Helmet to helmet not required. Was there "forcible contact"?

Call I'll be going back to look at was the facemask call on the LU QB on 3rd down. Flag came in late. Tavani went beserk.

Smalley's bowing thing came right after being called for interference, IIRC. Still stupid. Kissing the bicep - idiotic.

[Pards Rule]

Shoulder to the head or neck area of a "defenseless player" is "targeting." Helmet to helmet not required. Was there "forcible contact"?

Call I'll be going back to look at was the facemask call on the LU QB on 3rd down. Flag came in late. Tavani went beserk.

Smalley's bowing thing came right after being called for interference, IIRC. Still stupid. Kissing the bicep - idiotic.

haha wish I had seen that...Maybe he's impressed with himself by kissing bicep. Andy, I am nearly certain the bow came from Lafayette's Mark Walker (# 34) breaking up the pass. The other USL infraction I thought was called on 34 from what I thought I heard the PA announcer say and he came right out afterwards. Smalley is 24 so maybe the wrong number was called initially and then changed, What was the facemask? I missed it (but aware of the resulting LU benefit) but was it completely marginal or what?

[ngineer]

Shoulder to the head or neck area of a "defenseless player" is "targeting." Helmet to helmet not required. Was there "forcible contact"?

Call I'll be going back to look at was the facemask call on the LU QB on 3rd down. Flag came in late. Tavani went beserk.

Smalley's bowing thing came right after being called for interference, IIRC. Still stupid. Kissing the bicep - idiotic.

I DVR'd the game and replayed Saturday night (what better way to unwind (;-)). There was a clear face mask pull as Shafnisky was going down. Don't think it intentional, but the hand came up along the side of the mask and pulled the head. Anytime an official sees the head move back like that will attract a flag.

[gotts]

http://deadspin.com/cops-lehigh-football-players-broke-into-wrong-house-1747277277


Seven members of the Lehigh University football team have been charged with various things ranging from trespass to assault, after police say they broke into an off-campus house and pummeled one resident in an attempted revenge attack for an earlier assault on one player’s fraternity president. It would have been bad enough if the players hadn’t chosen the wrong house, and beaten up a person who had nothing to do with it...

So Lehigh obviously won due to the advantage of having hardened criminals on the roster :D

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

http://deadspin.com/cops-lehigh-football-players-broke-into-wrong-house-1747277277



So Lehigh obviously won due to the advantage of having hardened criminals on the roster :D

This should be interesting. I have a feeling most of these charges will be dropped for testifying against Githens...

The pics are the best in some ways. 7 white guys on a football team charged with a crime?

[Franks Tanks]

So why were these kids not suspended for the game? They were not yet charged, but I'm sure the school was aware they were involved in the incident. I doubt the charges will be dropped for testimony, as there seems to be ample evidence against Givens already. The other 6 are also culpable, and it is not ok to break into a private residence.

Lehigh needs to take action. If these kids are suiting up in brown and white, excuse me brown and some weird tan color with gold helmets, it will be a travesty.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

So why were these kids not suspended for the game? They were not yet charged, but I'm sure the school was aware they were involved in the incident. I doubt the charges will be dropped for testimony, as there seems to be ample evidence against Givens already. The other 6 are also culpable, and it is not ok to break into a private residence.

Lehigh needs to take action. If these kids are suiting up in brown and white, excuse me brown and some weird tan color with gold helmets, it will be a travesty.

Of the seven, Robb played vs. Lafayette, but none of the other six participated in the game. At least one of the "players" wasn't on the roster last season, and only Robb had significant playing time. I'm not at all sure he played the entire game.

[Andy]

This should be interesting. I have a feeling most of these charges will be dropped for testifying against Githens...


The charges will be lessened for the additional kids, but not because of testimony re Githens. He made a statement and ID'd the other participants per a news piece. Dimes are being dropped, however, one identified one of the others as the guy who peed in the fridge. The DA "hoped to reach a possible resolution that would avoid a trial."

The interesting take-away to an LC alum is the fact that the fraternity involved has gone unscathed. At LC I guarantee the frat would be gone, an over 100 year history wiped out for the actions of a few. The LU frat had just been investigated for an alcohol violation. Points out the different attitudes of the schools - LC aggressively ridding the campus of its frats while LU obviously wants to maintain them. Unfortunately, this incident will be "told you so" fodder for the LC dweebs. Many LC alums have withdrawn their support of The College over the issue.

[Pards Rule]

I just noted the name Mark Walker who I incorrectly ID as a Lafayette player. I see where he was charged as an LU player and I realized I looked at the Lehigh roster that day by accident. The Lafayette player wearing # 34 that day is Andrew Churma.

[LUHawker]

If these kids are suiting up in brown and white, excuse me brown and some weird tan color with gold helmets, it will be a travesty.

Not to deflect the serious issue here, but I would like to address the hideous new Lehigh unis they rolled out for 151. I was liking the all-browns with the white helmets. I don't LOVE the all-whites for the away games, but with the brown pants, it was alright.

I'm pretty sure Lehigh is the Brown & White, not the brown, white and gold, or tan or matte gold helmet or whatever school colors. I'm no fan.

And before all you Leopards claim the color high-ground here, I'm pretty sure that LC isn't the black and maroon and white or the grey and white or the maroon and black or whatever, so let's just say that the schools have taken some unfortunate liberties with the unis in recent years.

[Pards Rule]

Peed in the refrigerator?? Seriously?

[heath]

So why were these kids not suspended for the game? They were not yet charged, but I'm sure the school was aware they were involved in the incident. I doubt the charges will be dropped for testimony, as there seems to be ample evidence against Givens already. The other 6 are also culpable, and it is not ok to break into a private residence.

Lehigh needs to take action. If these kids are suiting up in brown and white, excuse me brown and some weird tan color with gold helmets, it will be a travesty.
unless you are the POTUS and ignore the law.......it is called due process. You still would have lost the game with or without these players.xrotatehx Many schools allow players to play until their day in court. I'm sure you've seen this beforexsmiley_wix

[Franks Tanks]

Not to deflect the serious issue here, but I would like to address the hideous new Lehigh unis they rolled out for 151. I was liking the all-browns with the white helmets. I don't LOVE the all-whites for the away games, but with the brown pants, it was alright.

I'm pretty sure Lehigh is the Brown & White, not the brown, white and gold, or tan or matte gold helmet or whatever school colors. I'm no fan.

And before all you Leopards claim the color high-ground here, I'm pretty sure that LC isn't the black and maroon and white or the grey and white or the maroon and black or whatever, so let's just say that the schools have taken some unfortunate liberties with the unis in recent years.

Those pants, and the under armor sleeves sticking out, were ghastly. Agree that LC uses black or grey too often as well.

[Franks Tanks]

unless you are the POTUS and ignore the law.......it is called due process. You still would have lost the game with or without these players.xrotatehx Many schools allow players to play until their day in court. I'm sure you've seen this beforexsmiley_wix

i was waiting for this. Nobody has suggested that suspending the players would change the outcome of the game. I am all for due process, especially when considering punishment from the school. However, Coen had more than enough information to suspend these kids from the team. They certainly violated team rules, and if they didn't perhaps Lehigh needs to make some team rules.

[ngineer]

Peed in the refrigerator?? Seriously?

Frozen pees, er peas

[RichH2]

Thanks ngineer. Missed the puns for a bit.
Speculation to the side. likely all the players have been suspended by LU. Readmission depends on resolution of this situation
Practically,it is likely the trespass chages will be pled down to misdemeanirs at most. They all will still face the LU disciplinary process.
IMr.Githens situation not as clear cut.

[Andy]

Frozen pees, er peas

Funny, too, that Frigidaire took the opportunity to embed an advertisement:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/police-lehigh-players-broke-into-wrong-house-assaulted-residents-peed-in-fridge/ar-AAgfR7l?li=BBnb7Kz

Kid you not.

[Pards Rule]

Funny, too, that Frigidaire took the opportunity to embed an advertisement:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/police-lehigh-players-broke-into-wrong-house-assaulted-residents-peed-in-fridge/ar-AAgfR7l?li=BBnb7Kz

Kid you not.


But of course...isn't that the internet way?