Big 10 officially done with FCS games starting '16

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

The news came down at media day that the schools have agreed to stop scheduling FCS games after this year.

I'm actually glad to see this. Hopefully more P5 conferences follow suit.


In the most stringent scheduling criteria among all Power Five conferences, Big Ten teams have committed to play nine league games, one mandated nonconference game against a fellow power league and no longer schedule Football Championship Subdivision opponents beginning in 2016, Commissioner Jim Delany said Friday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2015/07/31/big-ten-schedule-nine-league-games-no-fcs-teams-2016/30938987/

[UNIFanSince1983]

So does this mean the future games already scheduled will be scrapped? That is what I think I gathered, but wasn't positive about that.

Like now NDSU will not have an FBS game for 2 straight years since Iowa will have to remove them.

[dewey]

I think it is hillarious that they try to use this statement below as a reason to stop scheduling FCS teams.

“As we were looking at our future, there are challenges around the game-day experience,” he said. “So I think better competition draws the fans more. I think if you asked players, they don’t like practice very often but they love games. They love big games. So I think it’s partly (for the) player and fan and television.
“Everybody knows a major intersectional opponent on the road is more difficult, but it can swing both ways. We would have loved to win the game at Oregon and we would have loved to have beaten LSU, but playing those games is important. Whether you win it or you lose, it’s a great gauge, it’s a great measurement. And I think it’s what this is about: playing big games on big stages gets the juices going and flowing.”

Let's look at a couple of future Big Ten team schedules to see the "better competition" that will draw more fans.

Indiana 2016
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Florida International
Ball State
Wake Forest

Indiana 2017
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Virginia
Florida International
UMass (Cupcake city!)

Indiana 2018
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Florida International
Virginia
Ball State

Indiana 2019
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Ball State
Western Kentucky
UMass

Indiana 2020
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Western Kentucky
Ball State
UConn

2017 Iowa Hawkeyes OOC opponents;
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-17/2017-iowa-hawkeyes-football-schedule.php
Wyoming
@ Iowa State
North Texas

Wisconsin 2016
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-16/2016-wisconsin-badgers-football-schedule.php
LSU (great opponent)
Akron
Georgia State

Wisconsin 2017;
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-17/2017-wisconsin-badgers-football-schedule.php
Utah State
Florida Atlantic
USF

Illinois 2017;
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-17/2017-illinois-fighting-illini-football-schedule.phphttp://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/illinois-fighting-illini.phpBall State
USF
Western Kentucky

Illinois 2018
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/illinois-fighting-illini.php
Ball State
Western Illinois
USF

Illinois 2019
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/illinois-fighting-illini.php
@ Uconn
Eastern Michigan

Illinois 2020
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/illinois-fighting-illini.php
Florida Atlantic
UConn

Minnesota 2016
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/minnesota-golden-gophers.php
Oregon State
Indiana State
Colorado State

Minnesota 2017
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/minnesota-golden-gophers.php
Buffalo
Oregon State
Middle Tennessee

Minnesota 2018
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-18/2018-minnesota-golden-gophers-football-schedule.php
New Mexico State
Fresno State
Miami (OH)

Minnesota 2019
South Dakota State (Does this game stay on because it is already scheduled or does Minnesota buy their way out?)
Fresno State

There is only 1-3 good OOC opponent for those 3 teams and that is LSU. The other teams wouldn't beat the FCS top 10.

Dewey

[dewey]

So does this mean the future games already scheduled will be scrapped? That is what I think I gathered, but wasn't positive about that.

Like now NDSU will not have an FBS game for 2 straight years since Iowa will have to remove them.

I would think that starting in 2016 that they won't schedule FCS teams any more and hopefully the NDSU vs Iowa game is still on. Plus the assistant AD at Iowa is former NDSU AD Gene Taylor.

Dewey

[clenz]

Troy Dannen: “Big Ten teams playing FCS schools didn’t keep Ohio State from winning the national championship.”

- - - Updated - - -

I have about .00005% faith UNI will actually play Iowa in 2018

[Laker]

Minnesota 2019
South Dakota State (Does this game stay on because it is already scheduled or does Minnesota buy their way out?)
Fresno State

Dewey

Good question. The last time that they bought someone out (North Carolina) they replaced them with TCU because they thought it would be easier. Only cost them $800,000 and a butt kicking.

[dewey]

Troy Dannen: “Big Ten teams playing FCS schools didn’t keep Ohio State from winning the national championship.”


It certainly hasn't hurt the SEC teams that have played in the last how many BCS title game and last years Alabama playoff team.

Dewey

[eiu1999]

I think it is hillarious that they try to use this statement below as a reason to stop scheduling FCS teams.

“As we were looking at our future, there are challenges around the game-day experience,” he said. “So I think better competition draws the fans more. I think if you asked players, they don’t like practice very often but they love games. They love big games. So I think it’s partly (for the) player and fan and television.
“Everybody knows a major intersectional opponent on the road is more difficult, but it can swing both ways. We would have loved to win the game at Oregon and we would have loved to have beaten LSU, but playing those games is important. Whether you win it or you lose, it’s a great gauge, it’s a great measurement. And I think it’s what this is about: playing big games on big stages gets the juices going and flowing.”

Let's look at a couple of future Big Ten team schedules to see the "better competition" that will draw more fans.

Indiana 2016
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Florida International
Ball State
Wake Forest

Indiana 2017
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Virginia
Florida International
UMass (Cupcake city!)

Indiana 2018
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Florida International
Virginia
Ball State

Indiana 2019
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Ball State
Western Kentucky
UMass

Indiana 2020
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/indiana-hoosiers.php
Western Kentucky
Ball State
UConn

2017 Iowa Hawkeyes OOC opponents;
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-17/2017-iowa-hawkeyes-football-schedule.php
Wyoming
@ Iowa State
North Texas

Wisconsin 2016
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-16/2016-wisconsin-badgers-football-schedule.php
LSU (great opponent)
Akron
Georgia State

Wisconsin 2017;
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-17/2017-wisconsin-badgers-football-schedule.php
Utah State
Florida Atlantic
USF

Illinois 2017;
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-17/2017-illinois-fighting-illini-football-schedule.phphttp://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/illinois-fighting-illini.phpBall State
USF
Western Kentucky

Illinois 2018
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/illinois-fighting-illini.php
Ball State
Western Illinois
USF

Illinois 2019
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/illinois-fighting-illini.php
@ Uconn
Eastern Michigan

Illinois 2020
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/illinois-fighting-illini.php
Florida Atlantic
UConn

Minnesota 2016
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/minnesota-golden-gophers.php
Oregon State
Indiana State
Colorado State

Minnesota 2017
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/minnesota-golden-gophers.php
Buffalo
Oregon State
Middle Tennessee

Minnesota 2018
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-18/2018-minnesota-golden-gophers-football-schedule.php
New Mexico State
Fresno State
Miami (OH)

Minnesota 2019
South Dakota State (Does this game stay on because it is already scheduled or does Minnesota buy their way out?)
Fresno State

There is only 1-3 good OOC opponent for those 3 teams and that is LSU. The other teams wouldn't beat the FCS top 10.

Dewey

This is really bad news for Illinois, their 4 win seasons suddenly get worse.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

“Everybody agreed,” Delany said. “We have the nine conference games. We have a commitment to schedule an intersectional game. We have a conference championship (game). And we have the commitment to play only (Football Bowl Subdivision) opponents.

“It’s really a commitment to FBS. I imagine if someone had a contractual issue we’d take a look at that. But this is the template that everybody thinks is best going forward from a variety of perspectives.”


Teams and coaches in the Southeastern Conference, for example, have long bucked against the idea of playing nine games in conference play. The league also has hesitated to embrace eliminating FCS games from its schedules; in 2015, many SEC programs will play an FCS opponent as late as November.


The Atlantic Coast Conference has likewise steered away from a nine-game schedule, though Notre Dame’s recent affiliation with the league means five ACC teams face the Fighting Irish on an annual basis.


Notre Dame and Brigham Young — both classified as FBS independents despite Notre Dame’s relationship with the ACC — will count as Power Five teams for the Big Ten’s scheduling purposes, Delany said. BYU already is scheduled to face Nebraska and Michigan this fall, Michigan State in 2016 and 2018, and Wisconsin in 2019 and 2010.


Dropping FCS opponents — what Delany termed an “athletic directors agreement” among member institutions — might be a gradual process: Eight programs face FCS teams in 2016, for example, while others have future dates set up with members of the FCS. Iowa has a matchup scheduled with in-state FCS member Northern Iowa in 2018.

1. Seems like Jim Delany like FBS football the way it is. Unfortunately he won't be able to put the snake back in the can.

2. I think the biggest news is that the Big Ten decided that BYU is a P5 team without consulting the rest of the P5 that they are so. I have a hunch that isn't going to go over well.

3. Regarding 2), how can the rest of the P5 really take Delany seriously? He decides who is P5 and who is G5?

[Grizalltheway]

The news came down at media day that the schools have agreed to stop scheduling FCS games after this year.

I'm actually glad to see this. Hopefully more P5 conferences follow suit.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2015/07/31/big-ten-schedule-nine-league-games-no-fcs-teams-2016/30938987/

Why? These games keep a lot of programs afloat financially.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Why? These games keep a lot of programs afloat financially.

He wants FCS to be DII again so Lehigh has a chance.

[344Johnson]

1. Seems like Jim Delany like FBS football the way it is. Unfortunately he won't be able to put the snake back in the can.

2. I think the biggest news is that the Big Ten decided that BYU is a P5 team without consulting the rest of the P5 that they are so. I have a hunch that isn't going to go over well.

3. Regarding 2), how can the rest of the P5 really take Delany seriously? He decides who is P5 and who is G5?

SEC also has decided to consider BYU a P5 game. This is not news at all.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

SEC also has decided to consider BYU a P5 game. This is not news at all.

Clearly not everyone is on board.

[BisonBacker]

Another arrow in the quiver for the move up to FBS folks. If the money games disappear and a realistic opportunity to join a decent conference at the FBS level was to present itself I'd be with them.

[clenz]

UNI AD Dannen with some pointed comments. I know he wants to say much worse but won't
Delany outlined reasons for the philosophy change, which was generally agreed upon a few years ago but cemented Friday. The commissioner said doing so would improve schedule strength as the Big Ten aims to position itself have representatives in the four-team College Football Playoff, which is entering its second year. Delany tossed in that the quality of opponents used to fill out a 12-game schedule "didn't necessarily tantalize" Big Ten fans.
Big Ten athletic directors, starting in 2016, are committed to scheduling nine conference games (up from eight), at least one nonconference game against a Power Five opponent (for Iowa, that's probably Iowa State), and "no FCS" teams.
"I don't understand it," Dannen told the Register. "If you look at any strength of team ranking in the last few years, Northern Iowa and North Dakota State will rank ahead of 30 FBS schools. At least 30. So this isn't just about playing the best possible teams.
"Big Ten teams playing FCS schools didn't keep Ohio State from winning the national championship."

......


"If I'm a MAC AD right now, instead of $1.1 (million) to come to your place, the cost for me to come to your place is going to push $3 (million)," Dannen said. "Just because the subset of games for your nonconference, you just eliminated 126 FCS teams and you've only got about 50 nonconference (FBS teams) left."

http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/football/2015/07/31/big-ten-scheduling-fcs-teams-troy-dannen-gary-barta/30948341/?hootPostID=1bb5c5a17e635985b9686150ce77fcd2


He's absolutely right. If I'm a MAC, CUSA, AAC, SBC, etc... team and I have a B10 team on my schedule in 16, 17, 18 or later I'm on the phone today saying double our pay or we'll find someone else to play

[344Johnson]

UNI AD Dannen with some pointed comments. I know he wants to say much worse but won't

He's absolutely right. If I'm a MAC, CUSA, AAC, SBC, etc... team and I have a B10 team on my schedule in 16, 17, 18 or later I'm on the phone today saying double our pay or we'll find someone else to play

We will see if it drives the price up or not. Should be interesting.

[CasualFan]

We will see if it drives the price up or not. Should be interesting.
I agree -- makes me wonder about the flip side too. Will FCS teams find themselves getting less money as the FBS demands fewer games?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Why? These games keep a lot of programs afloat financially.

Which is why I don't like them. A school shouldn't have to whore out its football program to help balance the budget. Perhaps the lack of these games will help weed out the leaches and strengthen the subdivision. Too many broke schools in D1....

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Dannen is OK by me. And he's 100% correct.

[clenz]

Dannen is OK by me. And he's 100% correct.
I may not like parts of his attitude towards non big name donors but he is damn good at 99.9% of his job and his comments are always spot on

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[BisonBacker]

UNI AD Dannen with some pointed comments. I know he wants to say much worse but won't

He's absolutely right. If I'm a MAC, CUSA, AAC, SBC, etc... team and I have a B10 team on my schedule in 16, 17, 18 or later I'm on the phone today saying double our pay or we'll find someone else to play

All the more reason like my last post for a move up. Payday's of 400k all of a sudden go up to 1-2million they may change their tune pretty damn quick.

[344Johnson]

I may not like parts of his attitude towards non big name donors but he is damn good at 99.9% of his job and his comments are always spot on

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Would you mind expanding on the comment about donors?

[clenz]

Would you mind expanding on the comment about donors?
Not really. I have before and apparently I'm completely off base according to some other UNI fans (even though there are a good number that agree with me)....or something like that....so....no.

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[FCS_pwns_FBS]

So now you either put more P5 teams on your non-conference schedule (which makes it harder for the Indianas and Purdues and Northewesterns to make bowl games) or you play more G5s that won't draw crowds any bigger than FCS opponents.

Doesn't make any sense to me.

[CHIP72]

So now you either put more P5 teams on your non-conference schedule (which makes it harder for the Indianas and Purdues and Northewesterns to make bowl games) or you play more G5s that won't draw crowds any bigger than FCS opponents.

Doesn't make any sense to me.

Perception-wise, a loss by a Big Ten school to a Division I-AA/FCS school is much worse than a loss to a non-BCS conference Division I-A/FBS school. Likewise, a win over a Division I-AA/FCS school carries less weight than a win over a non-BCS conference Division I-A/FBS school.

IMO, that gets at the crux of the issue.

On a slightly related note, compare the afternoon (i.e. 12 PM ET and 3:30 PM/4 PM ET) games that will be televised on ESPNU and ESPNews during the first three weeks of the season (i.e. the week when start times and TV networks are already determined for most games), and tell me which network is higher in ESPN's pecking order. Some of the games on those channels involve Division I-AA/FCS teams playing Division I-A/FBS teams during those weeks, and almost all of them are on ESPNews. More specifically, when ESPN needs to choose the networks for BCS FBS/FCS games and a BCS FBS/non-BCS FBS games occurring at the same time, they put the all-FBS matchup on ESPNU and the matchup involving an FCS team on ESPNews, even if the non-BCS FBS team isn't very good.

[GABison]

I've been concerned about Patty Viverito as our commissioner for a long time now. I would really like to see the MVFC get to the level of the Wyoming, Colorado State and Ball State's of the college world. I just don't see it happening with Patty.

She is a senior associate commissioner of the Missouri Valley Conference, commissioner of the Missouri Valley Football conference and commissioner of the Pioneer Football League. Is the MVFC able to get more than 2 days of her time each week?

When Loyola - Chicago got into the MVC before any of the Summit teams, Doug Elgin, the MVC commissioner said they have no interest in adding more football schools at this time. Many Bison fans want to end up in the MVC and the MVFC. So where does Patty's loyalties lie, with the MVC or MVFC? Personally, I say screw the MVC, make the Summit super strong with a core of the four Dakota schools, UNOmaha and Denver. I truly think that the MVC would take eastern Summit basketball teams like UIPUI or IPFW before they would take the western Summit teams so our hopes of getting into the MVC are very limited unless they decide to become a super conference with two divisions. Don't know if that is in Elgin's wheelhouse.

If Doug Fullerton of the BSC is able to put together his two tier football conference, I would be willing to say goodbye to MVFC. I would like to continue to play P5 teams in our area. Not sure if the MVFC and its leadership is willing to fight to make it happen.

[clenz]

Perfect post of NDSU/Summit fan not understanding the MVC/mvfc issue

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[Sitting Bull]

The news came down at media day that the schools have agreed to stop scheduling FCS games after this year.

I'm actually glad to see this. Hopefully more P5 conferences follow suit.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2015/07/31/big-ten-schedule-nine-league-games-no-fcs-teams-2016/30938987/

You can't be serious.

All this means is Ball State can get a game against a Big 10 school but Indiana State cannot.

Listen, if you don't want Lehigh playing games against an FBS team, that's fine. Somehow you seem to have a problem when other FCS do. Aren't you the same person who was just proposing Lehigh might want to consider a game at UVA or Syracuse?

If so, pretty hypocritical.

The only winners here are MAC schools.

[Go Green]

Bummer. No Princeton-Rutgers game to commemorate the 150th anniversary of college football.

:(

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

You can't be serious.

All this means is Ball State can get a game against a Big 10 school but Indiana State cannot.

Listen, if you don't want Lehigh playing games against an FBS team, that's fine. Somehow you seem to have a problem when other FCS do. Aren't you the same person who was just proposing Lehigh might want to consider a game at UVA or Syracuse?

If so,

If it was up to me there would be no FBS-FCS games. That includes no Temple-Villanova and no Lehigh-Syracuse. We were talking about how to get Lehigh fans to the games, not Syracuse fans. The FBS fans have no interest in these games. The AAC people bitch about these games even though it's a g5 conference. However, many of our teams need wins to gain bowl eligibility under the current rules. Temple does not play a FCS game this year but picks up Stony Brook for 2016. We will only play regional FCS teams at the present time. Villanova comes back for a few games off and on starting in 2017.

My biggest complaint is the broke athletic departments. There's too many of them in D1 athletics. If your school is that dependent upon a payday game then there's an institutional problem.

The MAC and Big 10 have had a long standing arrangement that was strengthened around 2010. I'm glad that the MAC schools will get more of an opportunity to play Big 10 schools. Having followed MAC football during Temple's time in the conference I know how important those games are for the FBS MAC teams.

[clenz]

If it was up to me there would be no FBS-FCS games. That includes no Temple-Villanova and no Lehigh-Syracuse. We were talking about how to get Lehigh fans to the games, not Syracuse fans. The FBS fans have no interest in these games. The AAC people bitch about these games even though it's a g5 conference. However, many of our teams need wins to gain bowl eligibility under the current rules. Temple does not play a FCS games this year but picks up Stony Brook for 2016. We will only play regional FCS teams at the present time. Villanova comes back for a few games off and on starting in 2017.

My biggest complaint is the broke athletic departments. There's too many of them in D1 athletics. If your school is that dependent upon a payday game then there's an institutional problem.

The MAC and Big 10 have had a long standing arrangement that was strengthened around 2010. I'm glad that the MAC schools will get more of an opportunity to play Big 10 schools. Having followed MAC football during Temple's time in the conference I know how important those games are for the FBS MAC teams.

You do realize the MAC is one of the conferences that are the ABSOLUTE epitome of broke departments needing a pay day, right?

How is Akron or Ohio being broke as **** any different than Morgan State or Indiana State?

You do hear how dumb your argument sounds, right?

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[Go Lehigh TU owl]

You do realize the MAC is one of the conferences that are the ABSOLUTE epitome of broke departments needing a pay day, right?

How is Akron or Ohio being broke as **** any different than Morgan State or Indiana State?

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They're FBS broke. The SBC is also FBS broke. Morgan State is FCS broke and ISUb is FCS broke, ie. they're even more broke....

If nothing else, getting some money back into schools already in the sub-division might strengthen it. A stronger, more competitive MAC is good for Midwestern football and FBS football. A higher level of MACaction has an appeal.

The other thing is, some Big 10 schools already play at MAC schools. That will never be the case for FCS teams. Those home games for the MAC schools might increase, even by just a little bit...

Toledo who I consider the top overall MAC football program, while not rolling in money, does alright. Even Buffalo who does take a nice subsidy is a wealthy school. Far more so than most of the public FCS schools.

[UNI Pike]

Would you mind expanding on the comment about donors?

Dannen is not a wade into the crowd, backslapper (previous AD was). However, he can spend less than he brings in, which the previous AD had a problem with. Different style/skills.

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

They're FBS broke. The SBC is also FBS broke. Morgan State is FCS broke and ISUb is FCS broke, ie. they're even more broke....

If nothing else, getting some money back into schools already in the sub-division might strengthen it. A stronger, more competitive MAC is good for Midwestern football and FBS football. A higher level of MACaction has an appeal.

The other thing is, some Big 10 schools already play at MAC schools. That will never be the case for FCS teams. Those home games for the MAC schools might increase, even by just a little bit...

Toledo who I consider the top overall MAC football program, while not rolling in money, does alright. Even Buffalo who does take a nice subsidy is a wealthy school. Far more so than most of the public FCS schools.

Ha, you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Ha, you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first.

The MAC has had numerous ranked teams over the last 15-18 years and a recent BCS participant. Before the rise of Boise State, the MAC was home to giant slayers in big time football. They've also produced several prominent NFL players and Miami(OH) is known as the cradle of coaches. The league in general has a great track record of producing high-level coaches.

[UNI Pike]

It's also home to the YSU-lite attendance fabricator Eastern Michigan. Villanova might have real body in the seat higher attendance.

From my NSA monitored nexus 5

[APaladindad]

I wonder how previously scheduled 2016 games will be handled. the article was not clear. Furman has a game scheduled with Michigan State in 2016?

[centennial]

I wonder how previously scheduled 2016 games will be handled. the article was not clear. Furman has a game scheduled with Michigan State in 2016?
This whole news is a load a BS. Third time I remember them saying this. I am not going to believe this before they actually start cancelling games. Let the MAC start asking for 3 million a game.

[344Johnson]

I wonder how previously scheduled 2016 games will be handled. the article was not clear. Furman has a game scheduled with Michigan State in 2016?

NDSU and Iowa are still on. Hope Furman is as well

[GABison]

[QUOTE=clenz;2235306]Perfect post of NDSU/Summit fan not understanding the MVC/mvfc issue

And that issue is that the MVC does not want the MVFC to be higher up on the collegiate food chain, correct?

[BisonFan02]

[QUOTE=clenz;2235306]Perfect post of NDSU/Summit fan not understanding the MVC/mvfc issue

And that issue is that the MVC does not want the MVFC to be higher up on the collegiate food chain, correct?

NDSU is not a fit for the MVC.....nor should they want to be without a MAJOR shift in the athletic departments focus (and the fans for that matter). I personally think the men's bball could have a higher ceiling than the football team, but that culture shift isn't going to happen in Fargo. It is what it is....

[GABison]

[QUOTE=GABison;2235338]

NDSU is not a fit for the MVC.....nor should they want to be without a MAJOR shift in the athletic departments focus (and the fans for that matter). I personally think the men's bball could have a higher ceiling than the football team, but that culture shift isn't going to happen in Fargo. It is what it is....

I understand that the MVC is a basketball conference and the MVFC is obviously not. My problem is Patty V.'s conflict on interest. Is Elgin going to let PV move the MVFC to the second tier of collegiate football and potentially be more visible than the MVC? If Wichita State leaves or UNI has a bad year, without those two, the MVC is not much different than the Summit.

[centennial]

[QUOTE=GABison;2235338]

NDSU is not a fit for the MVC.....nor should they want to be without a MAJOR shift in the athletic departments focus (and the fans for that matter). I personally think the men's bball could have a higher ceiling than the football team, but that culture shift isn't going to happen in Fargo. It is what it is....

Unless we refocus on Basketball we remain a low mid major. At this point we get more exposure with winning the summit and trying to get to the dance regularly. Plus the MVC would never accept us.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

NDSU is not a fit for the MVC.....nor should they want to be without a MAJOR shift in the athletic departments focus (and the fans for that matter). I personally think the men's bball could have a higher ceiling than the football team, but that culture shift isn't going to happen in Fargo. It is what it is....

I agree with that given how college athletics is presently structured. NDSU is trending towards top mid-major status as it is imo.

[BisonFan02]

[QUOTE=BisonFan02;2235340]

I understand that the MVC is a basketball conference and the MVFC is obviously not. My problem is Patty V.'s conflict on interest. Is Elgin going to let PV move the MVFC to the second tier of collegiate football and potentially be more visible than the MVC? If Wichita State leaves or UNI has a bad year, without those two, the MVC is not much different than the Summit.

PV isn't going to have that amount of authority and the "2nd level" of collegiate football (or whatever you want to call it) will probably just come to the MVFC without action. You are answering your own complaint about the MVC for a lot of the Dakota summit schools. Want more control?....its called the Summit Football conference. Get more Summit schools in the MVFC....get rid of YSU and cut Missouri St loose to the Sunbelt.

[BisonFan02]

I agree with that given how college athletics is presently structured. NDSU is trending towards top mid-major status as it is imo.

Agree with this....IF the Bison can keep momentum during the SHAC renovation, it sets them up nicely in the near future. Fargo and ND have always been football dominated, but basketball is making strides in the region....especially the "metro" Fargo area.

[centennial]

I agree with that given how college athletics is presently structured. NDSU is trending towards top mid-major status as it is imo.
That would be Wichita State, UNI, Gonzaga etc. If NDSU can truly remain a solid mid major and make the tournament most years, it gets us more bang for the buck than football.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

That would be Wichita State, UNI, Gonzaga etc. If NDSU can truly remain a solid mid major and make the tournament most years, it gets us more bang for the buck than football.

NSDU is right there with SF Austin, Murray State and Harvard as the top "true" mid-majors right now imo. The A10, MVC and WCC are more tweener conferences.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Agree with this....IF the Bison can keep momentum during the SHAC renovation, it sets them up nicely in the near future. Fargo and ND have always been football dominated, but basketball is making strides in the region....especially the "metro" Fargo area.


With BB trending upward, I wish they would have made the SHAC a little bigger than the 5600 (IIRC) seats. NDSU will always be a FB school. I also believe that the FB attendance could be in that 25-30K range if there was a bigger venue.

[catamount man]

I would bet good money that Mich State dumps Furman in 2016. In fact, Furman's new AD should've already been on the phone to MSU once this announcement was made. GO CATS!

[GABison]

PV isn't going to have that amount of authority and the "2nd level" of collegiate football (or whatever you want to call it) will probably just come to the MVFC without action. You are answering your own complaint about the MVC for a lot of the Dakota summit schools. Want more control?....its called the Summit Football conference. Get more Summit schools in the MVFC....get rid of YSU and cut Missouri St loose to the Sunbelt.

Great, this what I am talking about. Can we agree that we have a commissioner that will only take the MVFC to the second tier (G5), if it falls into her lap? I don't think the NCAA or other G5 divisions are going to send a gift wrapped invitation to the MVFC. We need a commissioner that is willing to fight for that and I don't think PV is up to the task. Hell, she doesn't even put up a good fight when it comes to the playoff committee.

[clenz]

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[IBleedYellow]

Great, this what I am talking about. Can we agree that we have a commissioner that will only take the MVFC to the second tier (G5), if it falls into her lap? I don't think the NCAA or other G5 divisions are going to send a gift wrapped invitation to the MVFC. We need a commissioner that is willing to fight for that and I don't think PV is up to the task. Hell, she doesn't even put up a good fight when it comes to the playoff committee.
Please tell me how the MVFC can become a G5 conference?

[centennial]

Please tell me how the MVFC can become a G5 conference?
Only if the NCAA changes the rules. And even then the MVFC will never see any CFP money. The 44 additional scholarships would have to come from the high paydays.

[clenz]

Please tell me how the MVFC can become a G5 conference?
Duh....all a commissioner would have to do is say "We are G5 now" and Patty is under direct orders from Doug Elgin to drive the MVFC to D3, if not completely out of the NCAA.

Patty is also so spineless on the playoff front that the MVFC only got 5 playoff teams last year. Anyone worth a damn would have gotten AT LEAST 10 and likely found other playoff schools to join the mvfc late in the year to have them represent the MVFC as well.


And she's a woman, so....



For real, is there ever enough tin foil in the state if ND to deal with the amount of conspiracy theorists you have up there?

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[IBleedYellow]

Only if the NCAA changes the rules. And even then the MVFC will never see any CFP money. The 44 additional scholarships would have to come from the high paydays.
Ohhh, I know. My point was the poster I quoted is talking out of his ass and seems to not understand how you go from FCS to FBS.

[IBleedYellow]

Duh....all a commissioner would have to do is say "We are G5 now" and Patty is under direct orders from Doug Elgin to drive the MVFC to D3, of not completely out of the NCAA.

Patty is also so spineless on the playoff front that the MVFC only got 5 playoff teams last year. Anyone worth a damn would have gotten AT LEAST 10 and likely found other playoff schools to join the mvfc late in the year to have them represent the MVFC as well.


And she's a woman, so....

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Ohhh of course! That makes perfect sense, thanks Clenz!

[BisonFan02]

Duh....all a commissioner would have to do is say "We are G5 now" and Patty is under direct orders from Doug Elgin to drive the MVFC to D3, if not completely out of the NCAA.

Patty is also so spineless on the playoff front that the MVFC only got 5 playoff teams last year. Anyone worth a damn would have gotten AT LEAST 10 and likely found other playoff schools to join the mvfc late in the year to have them represent the MVFC as well.


And she's a woman, so....



For real, is there ever enough tin foil in the state if ND to deal with the amount of conspiracy theorists you have up there?

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Tin foil in ND? Have you read Panther nation or talked to UNI basketball fans in IA in the past 5+ years? LOL

[SUPharmacist]

I had hoped NDSU would get a shot at Nebraska. Oh well, while I think these games are good to draw interest regionally, I can see how it is much more of a mixed bag for the FBS programs.

[PantherRob82]

Tin foil in ND? Have you read Panther nation or talked to UNI basketball fans in IA in the past 5+ years? LOL

With the issue being? That we would think we could make the Sweet 16? Done. That we could be ranked for most of the season? Done. That we could host North Carolina? Coming in November.

Every fan board has it's share of delusion. I'd be curious what your issue with PN in regards to basketball is.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Great, this what I am talking about. Can we agree that we have a commissioner that will only take the MVFC to the second tier (G5), if it falls into her lap? I don't think the NCAA or other G5 divisions are going to send a gift wrapped invitation to the MVFC. We need a commissioner that is willing to fight for that and I don't think PV is up to the task. Hell, she doesn't even put up a good fight when it comes to the playoff committee.

What are you talking about? There isn't even a doorway for what you are proposing at this time? What should she be fighting for at this point?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ok, as usual, I need to either keep up with the thread or read ahead a bit. clenz, IBY, centennial all took care of this already.

[dgtw]

I would bet good money that Mich State dumps Furman in 2016. In fact, Furman's new AD should've already been on the phone to MSU once this announcement was made. GO CATS!

Good for Furman if they do cancel. They get the buyout without the beating. Free money.


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[centennial]

I had hoped NDSU would get a shot at Nebraska. Oh well, while I think these games are good to draw interest regionally, I can see how it is much more of a mixed bag for the FBS programs.
I was hoping for Wisconsin or Michigan State. True test for NDSU, even if we lost. SEC and PAC 12 it is, not sure the Big 12 wants to play us either.

[Bisonwinagn]

I wish Delany would just be honest and just say this is all about the Big10 contract negotiations. I'm perfectly fine with going to a 9 game conference schedule and mandating one game against the P5, but why the mandate for the other 2 games. Those other two games are completely meaningless when it comes to SOS perception. As a Gopher season ticket holder I hate the mandate to play teams like New Mexico, New Mexico St, Idaho, or some no name Florida school instead of playing regional FCS schools which draw nearly double the attendance. I also guarantee you 99% of Big Ten fans don't know the difference between a G5 team or FCS team anyway.

[UNI Pike]

Tin foil in ND? Have you read Panther nation or talked to UNI basketball fans in IA in the past 5+ years? LOL
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[BisonFan02]

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From my NSA monitored nexus 5

I'll need my comp to dig up examples rather than my phone. The point is that ND doesn't have a monopoly on "tin foil"/irrational fans and UNI is no different.

[UNI Pike]

Every fanbase has delusional fans. Water is wet. The surface of the sun is kind of hot.

I will look forward to you expanding your line of thought further to read what you have in mind.

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[clenz]

Every fanbase has delusional fans. Water is wet. The surface of the sun is kind of hot.

I will look forward to you expanding your line of thought further to read what you have in mind.

From my NSA monitored nexus 5
Also, UNI tends to keep our looniest posters on PN.

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[BisonFan02]

Every fanbase has delusional fans. Water is wet. The surface of the sun is kind of hot.

I will look forward to you expanding your line of thought further to read what you have in mind.

From my NSA monitored nexus 5


Also, UNI tends to keep our looniest posters on PN.

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Bisonville isnt any better. The point is that all fan bases have their fair share of loons...alot of the AGS Bison fan loon contingent will likely bail when the party is over. Do you need me to visit panther nation and copy/paste links to thread topics or are you going to save me the effort? I could probably do it on my droid or I'm computer less until tomorrow night after my trip to visit my folks.

[clenz]

Are we still talking about links to basketball threads? Remember, your self imposed 5 year window still has me as an active member for 3 of those years, and I would argue/caution I have a significantly better dumb things said online memory/stash of links than most. Remember I have no hobbies - as sad as it may sound sports message boards and stats is my only hobby

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[BisonFan02]

Are we still talking about links to basketball threads? Remember, your self imposed 5 year window still has me as an active member for 3 of those years, and I would argue/caution I have a significantly better dumb things said online memory/stash of links than most. Remember I have no hobbies - as sad as it may sound sports message boards and stats is my only hobby

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You got me there clenzy xlolx

[Bisonwinagn]

Anyone talking about basketball should be treated like a lion in Zimbabwe.

[Go...gate]

Bummer. No Princeton-Rutgers game to commemorate the 150th anniversary of college football.

:(

Right. Moreover, any chance of Rutgers-Colgate, Rutgers-Lafayette or Rutgers-Lehigh is gone.

I had heard that Colgate and Northwestern had been talking as well, but that appears gone, too.

[Go...gate]

If it was up to me there would be no FBS-FCS games. That includes no Temple-Villanova and no Lehigh-Syracuse. We were talking about how to get Lehigh fans to the games, not Syracuse fans. The FBS fans have no interest in these games. The AAC people bitch about these games even though it's a g5 conference. However, many of our teams need wins to gain bowl eligibility under the current rules. Temple does not play a FCS game this year but picks up Stony Brook for 2016. We will only play regional FCS teams at the present time. Villanova comes back for a few games off and on starting in 2017.

My biggest complaint is the broke athletic departments. There's too many of them in D1 athletics. If your school is that dependent upon a payday game then there's an institutional problem.

The MAC and Big 10 have had a long standing arrangement that was strengthened around 2010. I'm glad that the MAC schools will get more of an opportunity to play Big 10 schools. Having followed MAC football during Temple's time in the conference I know how important those games are for the FBS MAC teams.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I strenuously disagree. If a team or school wants to step up and test itself against the very best, it should be permitted to. Players are going to face that scenario every day as they go forward in their post-graduate lives.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

You are entitled to your opinion, but I strenuously disagree. If a team or school wants to step up and test itself against the very best, it should be permitted to. Players are going to face that scenario every day as they go forward in their post-graduate lives.

But that means schools and players have to step down in competition. Who wants to do that?

The whole FBS vs FCS game deal is a 2 way street. FCS fans simply have to realize the feelings are not mutual. It's justifiable given what's to be gained/lost by the two subdivisions playing each other.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

But that means schools and players have to step down in competition. Who wants to do that?

The whole FBS vs FCS game deal is a 2 way street. FCS fans simply have to realize the feelings are not mutual. It's justifiable given what's to be gained/lost by the two subdivisions playing each other.

The feeling may not be mutual on message boards. Ask coaches and ADs and you will get a very different answer. The proof is that FBS teams still schedule FCS teams. Yes, even Temple.

[Go...gate]

But that means schools and players have to step down in competition. Who wants to do that?

The whole FBS vs FCS game deal is a 2 way street. FCS fans simply have to realize the feelings are not mutual. It's justifiable given what's to be gained/lost by the two subdivisions playing each other.

The feelings are not universally mutual, as can be evidenced by the fact that the Big 10 is alone with respect to this policy.

[dgtw]

I am a fan of both Alabama and Jax State. I m not a fan of the games from either side. They are usually a butt whipping and not interesting to watch. And yes, I was at the Ole Miss game, but those are few and far between. Their main benefit is the money the FCS team gets. For that reason, I would not want them abolished across the board.


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[Lehigh Football Nation]

They are usually a butt whipping and not interesting to watch.

Yet how is this different if Alabama switches Western Carolina with, say, Western Michigan?

[centennial]

The Big 10 is making it harder to get to bowl games- Bottom half of the league unhappy. Add to that if the Big 12, SEC, PAC 12 doesn't change the Big 10 doesn't really gain a advantage. I am not sure this was a very well thought out decision.

[Go...gate]

If a school does not want to play those games, that is their choice. Prohibiting it through legislation or policy is overkill.

[clenz]

They are usually a butt whipping and not interesting to watch.


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[BisonFan02]

don't take your inability to compete out on the rest of us that can

This.

[Catsfan90]

Yet how is this different if Alabama switches Western Carolina with, say, Western Michigan?

To us it makes no difference but to Fans of the FBS FCS is looked down on as being DII.

[The Yo Show]

Hey all, just wanted to give an update. According to the following article only the games with FCS schools scheduled through 2016 will be honored. All others after that will be cancelled.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150731/sports/150739760/

[OL FU]

I guess Furman gets to go to Michigan St.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

My issue is, if the consideration is that "we don't want to see butt whippings vs. lesser competition" switching Western Carolina for Western Michigan won't make any difference or engender any new fan support. If anything the fan support decreases since they're probably switching out a local FCS school for a bad FBS one across the country.

[Baldy]

Instead of an attempt to separate the P5 from everyone else (as it has been speculated on this forum), maybe it's the first salvo in separating FBS from everyone else? xeyebrowx

There will probably come a time in the not too distant future where the P5 conferences won't schedule FCS games any longer. However, you will see G5 teams occasionally schedule FCS teams. More regional FCS teams.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Instead of an attempt to separate the P5 from everyone else (as it has been speculated on this forum), maybe it's the first salvo in separating FBS from everyone else? xeyebrowx

There will probably come a time in the not too distant future where the P5 conferences won't schedule FCS games any longer. However, you will see G5 teams occasionally schedule FCS teams. More regional FCS teams.

You're assuming that the P5 will enjoy paying 3x the money for the same preseason games they get now.

[dgtw]

don't take your inability to compete out on the rest of us that can

Hey, I never said they should be banned I just said that the vast majority of the games aren't competitive. Yes, there are big upsets, like App State over Michigan. I was there for Jax State over Ole Miss and I'll be in Auburn on September 12.

But a lot of the FCS wins are over lower level FBS teams. I don't even count our win over Georgia State as beating an FBS team.

No, Bama vs. W. Michigan wouldn't be any more exciting than Bama vs. W. Carolina. But it wouldn't hurt ticket sales as Bama is going to sell out anyway. It would just cost them twice as much to play an FBS team.

Again, I don't want them to be banned. I just wouldn't miss them if they were.


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[CHIP72]

You're assuming that the P5 will enjoy paying 3x the money for the same preseason games they get now.

The thing that has been missed in this entire discussion (I haven't read every post in the thread) is the thing that Division I-AA/FCS, Division II, Division III, and NAIA fans have long said when criticizing Division I-A/FBS football - playoffs. The Division I-A/FBS playoffs significantly changes the long-term dynamic of major college football scheduling, especially if (as I expect) the playoff field is eventually expanded to 8, 12, or 16 teams. Teams that don't win their conference (possibly because of unbalanced conference schedules) but ARE good enough to compete for the national title will have incentive to schedule stronger non-conference opponents to increase their strength of schedules and make it more likely they'll be chosen to participate in the playoffs. Because strength of schedule not involves not only the games you play but the games your opponents play, it is in a major conference's interest to avoid games against lesser opponents. Games against weaker foes won't disappear, but over time I think the teams that think they have a legitimate shot at the playoffs will schedule fewer cupcake teams if they know 1, 2, or possibly 3 losses won't eliminate them from national title contention.

To summarize the above more simply - the Big Ten's decision is merely the first step in the conference's effort to strengthen its members' collective non-conference schedules. The Big Ten is doing this because it anticipates the Division I-A/FBS playoffs will expand beyond the current 4 team field. (Ironically, Ohio State's national championship in 2014 - when some analysts believed they didn't merit inclusion in the 4 team field - will help facilitate the increased playoff field size.)

[Baldy]

You're assuming that the P5 will enjoy paying 3x the money for the same preseason games they get now.
Well, in the scheme of the CFP, strength of schedule (among other factors) are a matter of concern.
To use the Western Carolina and Western Michigan scenario in this thread as an example...if Ohio State plays either WMU or WCU, it will most probably be an easy W for the Buckeyes. The main difference is that WMU's FPI is 61 (preseason 2015) compared to WCU's 101 (season ending 2014). That is a huge factor and a monumental difference in the strength of schedule category.

3X the money is a little far fetched, but 2X is certainly within the realm of possibility. Instead of paying $2Million+ guarantees, it also may also provide incentive for P5's to have more home/home with G5's.

[Yote 53]

The thing that has been missed in this entire discussion (I haven't read every post in the thread) is the thing that Division I-AA/FCS, Division II, Division III, and NAIA fans have long said when criticizing Division I-A/FBS football - playoffs. The Division I-A/FBS playoffs significantly changes the long-term dynamic of major college football scheduling, especially if (as I expect) the playoff field is eventually expanded to 8, 12, or 16 teams. Teams that don't win their conference (possibly because of unbalanced conference schedules) but ARE good enough to compete for the national title will have incentive to schedule stronger non-conference opponents to increase their strength of schedules and make it more likely they'll be chosen to participate in the playoffs. Because strength of schedule not involves not only the games you play but the games your opponents play, it is in a major conference's interest to avoid games against lesser opponents. Games against weaker foes won't disappear, but over time I think the teams that think they have a legitimate shot at the playoffs will schedule fewer cupcake teams if they know 1, 2, or possibly 3 losses won't eliminate them from national title contention.

To summarize the above more simply - the Big Ten's decision is merely the first step in the conference's effort to strengthen its members' collective non-conference schedules. The Big Ten is doing this because it anticipates the Division I-A/FBS playoffs will expand beyond the current 4 team field. (Ironically, Ohio State's national championship in 2014 - when some analysts believed they didn't merit inclusion in the 4 team field - will help facilitate the increased playoff field size.)

Yep, there is this and there is also the need to fill the stadiums. FBS football as looking at their gameday attendence dropping. When Nick Saban comes out and publically decries the amount of empty seats at an Alabama home game you know there is a problem. High def television and awesome TV coverage is part of the problem. The other part of the problem is schools not having a compelling home schedule. In addition to USD I also follow Iowa. The Iowa fans are sick of the crap home schedules they are seeing. Their season schedule consists of Iowa State, MAC game, FCS, P5 school, and Big Ten schedule. First of all, many Iowa fans are sick of playing Iowa State every year. They would like to see some variety. Secondly, while many understand the need for MAC games they don't like them, and none of them like FCS games. Looking at the home schedule this season, due to the divisional alignment, Iowa's most compelling home game is Minnesota. Both Nebraska and Wisconsin will be on the road. It is difficult to justify buying season tickets given the lack of compelling home games so you are seeing a decline in season ticket sales. Many Iowa fans would rather play a better schedule and lose (also exposing Kirk Ferentz so they can get rid of him rather than propping up his win % with an easy schedule) than play an alleged easy schedule, or at least one that is not as compelling to the uninformed fan, and win.

I think this move by the Big Ten is just the first move by a P5 conference in creating a P5 division. I expect other conferences to follow suit when the FBS playoff field expands. There is more TV money to be made by playing P5 vs P5 games in the OOC schedule with big marquee games in the beginning of the season than there is a bunch of P5 v FCS games. If the playoffs expand, SOS will be huge and an early season loss won't hurt as much if the conference champ gets an autobid to the playoffs.

As for the MAC asking for a premium for their games from the Big Ten, they might not want to overplay their hand. If they demand too much the BIG schools will just begin scheduling home and home with other P5 schools and cut them out entirely.

[dgtw]

This really won't increase the demand for MAC games. The Big Ten is going to a nine game schedule, so basically they are swapping an FCS game for a conference game. For Bug Ten teams that don't normally play an FCS game, that actually lowers the number of G5 games the Big Ten will be needing.


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[Fox 94]

Which is why I don't like them. A school shouldn't have to whore out its football program to help balance the budget. Perhaps the lack of these games will help weed out the leaches and strengthen the subdivision. Too many broke schools in D1....

PFL model might start looking more attractive!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Well, in the scheme of the CFP, strength of schedule (among other factors) are a matter of concern.
To use the Western Carolina and Western Michigan scenario in this thread as an example...if Ohio State plays either WMU or WCU, it will most probably be an easy W for the Buckeyes. The main difference is that WMU's FPI is 61 (preseason 2015) compared to WCU's 101 (season ending 2014). That is a huge factor and a monumental difference in the strength of schedule category.

1. 61 vs. 101 will make not one iota of difference in the "schedule strength" category.

2. The only way to get "schedule strength" is to be packed into a conference where your conference games give you "schedule strength" because you have more preseason Top 25 teams in your conference. Also, such a conference also has a championship game, which will give you an additional "schedule strength" game by default.

3. "Schedule strength" is a terrible way to measure the validity of a postseason qualifier. It almost mandates that a P5 conference have a championship game. Had the B1G not had a championship game, Ohio State simply would have not made the CFP field. Their OOC games versus Kent State, Navy and Virginia Tech (which they lost, incidentally) had little to nothing to do with them making the CFP plus-one playoff.

[KPSUL]

The record of the current Big 10 teams during the past 10 years against FCS/1AA is 94-6, give or take a win or two. I think I got all all the FCS wins, but let me know if I missed any: SIU over Indiana (2006), UNH over Northwestern (2007), Appalachian St. over Michigan (2007), NDSU over Minnesota twice (2007 and 2011), and South Dakota over Minnesota (2010).

Many of the strongest Big Ten programs play the fewest FCS opponents: Michigan 2 in 10 years, Ohio St. 3, Penn. St. 4, and Nebraska 5.

Implications of this? I don't have a real strong opinion either way; however, I think it helps explain the argument against future Big 10 / FCS matchups. It might be interesting to do a Big 10 vs MAC or Conference USA record over the past 10 years for comparison.

[UNI Pike]

For the want of the PK, Cal Poly would have a win over Wisconsin.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Many of the strongest Big Ten programs play the fewest FCS opponents: Michigan 2 in 10 years, Ohio St. 3, Penn. St. 4, and Nebraska 5.

Only one of those would I consider a "strong program" the last four years. Hint: CFP last year.

[Catatonic]

Tony Barnhart wrote an excellent piece on whether the SEC should drop FCS games. His conclusion-no. His reasoning-for the good of the game. Not sure I agree that motives are purely benevolent. Big schools derive benefit from these games as well.


http://www.tonybarnhart.com/college-football/should-the-sec-keep-scheduling-fcs-teams/

[lionsrking2]

Tony Barnhart wrote an excellent piece on whether the SEC should drop FCS games. His conclusion-no. His reasoning-for the good of the game. Not sure I agree that motives are purely benevolent. Big schools derive benefit from these games as well.


http://www.tonybarnhart.com/college-football/should-the-sec-keep-scheduling-fcs-teams/

We have FBS teams on the schedule through 2019, including one Big 12, one Sun Belt and two SEC. I don't foresee FCS/FBS games going away anytime soon, despite what the Big 10 commish wants to do. They need the cheap home game, plus a likely win, not to mention coaches like the tuneup aspect an FCS opponent provides. FCS schools need the money, plus a chance to step up in play and provide fans and players with a "big time" experience. There may be a group of schools here and there who choose not to play FCS games, but that happens now. If every FBS school chose not to play FCS games, there wouldn't be enough guaranteed home opponents to go around, especially for low dollars.

[clenz]

Hey, I never said they should be banned I just said that the vast majority of the games aren't competitive. Yes, there are big upsets, like App State over Michigan. I was there for Jax State over Ole Miss and I'll be in Auburn on September 12.

But a lot of the FCS wins are over lower level FBS teams. I don't even count our win over Georgia State as beating an FBS team.

No, Bama vs. W. Michigan wouldn't be any more exciting than Bama vs. W. Carolina. But it wouldn't hurt ticket sales as Bama is going to sell out anyway. It would just cost them twice as much to play an FBS team.

Again, I don't want them to be banned. I just wouldn't miss them if they were.


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I'm not even talking about getting the win.

Don't take others inability to compete out on the NDSUs (who have won) and UNI's (who has won recently and in the last 8 FBS games have only lost by double digits twice (11 and 27 and in that one the offense surrendered more points to Iowa State than the defense did by throwing 6 pick 6's....In the other 7 games the average score is 21-24...hell including that 27-0 loss the average score only drops to 18-24.)

It's not our fault that other's can't field competitive teams in those games.

[BisonFan02]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GNk8EDKFCw

Some things don't change..... :D

[Bisonwinagn]

MAC schools will have a difficult time getting any home and home games now. The Big 10 will only have 2 open games to fill and they will need home games at least every other year. I expect to see lot's of demand for the weaker G5 schools outside of the MAC as well like Sunbelt and MWC teams.

[UNI Pike]

Sounds like Georgia State will be able to increase the size of the money drop at the home games with all of this new bargaining power.

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[Baldy]

1. 61 vs. 101 will make not one iota of difference in the "schedule strength" category.

2. The only way to get "schedule strength" is to be packed into a conference where your conference games give you "schedule strength" because you have more preseason Top 25 teams in your conference. Also, such a conference also has a championship game, which will give you an additional "schedule strength" game by default.

3. "Schedule strength" is a terrible way to measure the validity of a postseason qualifier. It almost mandates that a P5 conference have a championship game. Had the B1G not had a championship game, Ohio State simply would have not made the CFP field. Their OOC games versus Kent State, Navy and Virginia Tech (which they lost, incidentally) had little to nothing to do with them making the CFP plus-one playoff.
Yeah, 40 points doesn't make a difference...not.at.all. xlolx

I said, schedule strength is just one of many factors. Perception in the eyes of the Grand Poobahs of the CFP committee matter as well. A convincing win over a bowl bound Western Michigan team has much more weight than a win over a 7-5 FCS team.

[clenz]

Does bowl bound really matter when 84 of 120 make a bowl?

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[The Yo Show]

Here is a great article from CBS in defense of FBS vs FCS games :
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/03/in-defense-of-fcs/

I felt it was thoughtful, and had plenty of insight valid to this discussion.

[centennial]

Here is a great article from CBS in defense of FBS vs FCS games :
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/03/in-defense-of-fcs/

I felt it was thoughtful, and had plenty of insight valid to this discussion.

When NDSU beat Kansas State it was on sports center for close to 2 days. If it had been Boise State it would get a one time mention. It's not only the fans but the media. Playing a good FCS had no upside vs the amount of negative news they get when they lose.

So it is not surprising when the FBS as a whole is black balling NDSU for being too good. The hypocrisy is that the FBS complains about not enough competition, however when they do get enough competition they avoid it. Let's be honest, games are scheduled against teams that are heavy underdogs. Do you see NIU scheduling NDSU? Any Sun Belt teams? No. Because they all want to make a bowl. A cheap win is better than embarrassing your self on national TV. You think ULL wants to get blown away at home 45-14 vs NDSU or ISU or UNI?

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Does bowl bound really matter when 84 of 120 make a bowl?

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Not at all. Granted some Temple fans were up in arms last year when we went 6-6 and didn't go bowling. I didn't care one bit. I was however, very disappointed when we didn't make it in 2010 with an 8-4 record.

[Sitting Bull]

If it was up to me there would be no FBS-FCS games. That includes no Temple-Villanova and no Lehigh-Syracuse. We were talking about how to get Lehigh fans to the games, not Syracuse fans. The FBS fans have no interest in these games. The AAC people bitch about these games even though it's a g5 conference. However, many of our teams need wins to gain bowl eligibility under the current rules. Temple does not play a FCS game this year but picks up Stony Brook for 2016. We will only play regional FCS teams at the present time. Villanova comes back for a few games off and on starting in 2017.

My biggest complaint is the broke athletic departments. There's too many of them in D1 athletics. If your school is that dependent upon a payday game then there's an institutional problem.

Well, thankfully it's not up to you. That elitist attitude should stay parked in the Ivy/Patriot world (though some there apparently don't mind these games either).

"FBS fans have no interest in these games" - again, the assumption - let's say UVA - no interest in a game with W&M - or somehow less so than a game with Kent State. Ridiculous. I would bet the farm if you asked the casual UVA fan if they would have more interest in a game with W&M or Kent/Troy/South Alabama/etc. - they would easily prefer W&M. The numbers support it. The 54,000 there for our 2009 game is still one of their best gates at UVA over the last 6 years.

What exactly are the recent attendance numbers at Temple when they play Villanova vs the rest of their schedule? Does that support your point?

As far as being broke, the fact is Kent State (or add your favorite G5 team here) needs the payday a lot more than W&M does. The money may be nice but I don't think that's the top priority at W&M for scheduling this game - or NC State or UNC. There's a lot of alumni interest in these games. And does the casual fan of any of these really think playing W&M is playing down any more than if they had Central Michigan or UL Monroe instead? Of course not, they all represent "playing down".

I also like the system in South Carolina where USC and Clemson rotate the other state schools on their schedules such as Furman, Wofford and The Citadel.

You continue to ignore that many of these FBS/FCS games are traditional, many in-State, rivals - yes there is a paycheck for the FCS team - a tune up for the FBS team - but it's more than that with many of these. Can't say the same for the bulk of these P5/G5 games.

I really don't understand your point, speaking for everyone. As I said, if Lehigh prefers to live that way, fine. Let others make their own choice.

[FargoBison]

These FBS games have so much more value then just money. For NDSU they helped with exposure, connecting with alumni across the country and recruiting. Not sure why anyone that is an FCS fan would want to see these games go away. It makes no sense and would just hurt the FCS.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Well, thankfully it's not up to you. That elitist attitude should stay parked in the Ivy/Patriot world (though some there apparently don't mind these games either).

"FBS fans have no interest in these games" - again, the assumption - let's say UVA - no interest in a game with W&M - or somehow less so than a game with Kent State. Ridiculous. I would bet the farm if you asked the casual UVA fan if they would have more interest in a game with W&M or Kent/Troy/South Alabama/etc. - they would easily prefer W&M. The numbers support it. The 54,000 there for our 2009 game is still one of their best gates at UVA over the last 6 years.

What exactly are the recent attendance numbers at Temple when they play Villanova vs the rest of their schedule? Does that support your point?

As far as being broke, the fact is Kent State (or add your favorite G5 team here) needs the payday a lot more than W&M does. The money may be nice but I don't think that's the top priority at W&M for scheduling this game - or NC State or UNC. There's a lot of alumni interest in these games. And does the casual fan of any of these really think playing W&M is playing down any more than if they had Central Michigan or UL Monroe instead? Of course not, they all represent "playing down".

I also like the system in South Carolina where USC and Clemson rotate the other state schools on their schedules such as Furman, Wofford and The Citadel.

You continue to ignore that many of these FBS/FCS games are traditional, many in-State, rivals - yes there is a paycheck for the FCS team - a tune up for the FBS team - but it's more than that with many of these. Can't say the same for the bulk of these P5/G5 games.

I really don't understand your point, speaking for everyone. As I said, if Lehigh prefers to live that way, fine. Let others make their own choice.

Elitist attitude? Most FBS fans/alums DO NOT LIKE FCS games! That is not an elitist attitude, rather an absolute fact.

Why doesn't W&M schedule D2 games and allow those schools an opportunity to play-up? Maybe Delaware should go back to playing West Chester? Is it their elitist attitude that makes them too good for D2 games? The fact that playing a lower division game could hurt their playoff chances or seeding? The fans have no interest in them?

I think its extremely hypocritical for fans to whine about not being able to play FBS games yet don't get schedule D2 games. Based on this board there should be a lot more FCS teams scheduling D2 games because of the importance in allowing kids to challenge themselves. Think how great it would be a NCCU or East Stroudsburg player to run on the field at newly renovated Zable Stadium?

Temple people acknowledge the Villanova game is important due to the fact that Villanova is our biggest rival. Still, there's a large, vocal contingent that want that game ended.

[Sitting Bull]

Elitist attitude? Most FBS fans/alums DO NOT LIKE FCS games! That is not an elitist attitude, rather an absolute fact.

Why doesn't W&M schedule D2 games and allow those schools an opportunity to play-up? Maybe Delaware should go back to playing West Chester? Is it their elitist attitude that makes them too good for D2 games? The fact that playing a lower division game could hurt their playoff chances or seeding? The fans have no interest in them?

I think its extremely hypocritical for fans to whine about not being able to play FBS games yet don't get schedule D2 games. Based on this board there should be a lot more FCS teams scheduling D2 games because of the importance in allowing kids to challenge themselves. Think how great it would be a NCCU or East Stroudsburg player to run on the field at newly renovated Zable Stadium?

Temple people acknowledge the Villanova game is important due to the fact that Villanova is our biggest rival. Still, there's a large, vocal contingent that want that game ended.


You just don't get it.

We have history playing occasional D2 opponents, most recently New Haven a few years ago. Hampton was D2 when we first started that series. Same for Norfolk State. No one complained about adding them or playing them. Our first game against Delaware in 1976, they were D2. Started a great series.

We have rivalries with UVA, Tech, UNC. They are also academic rivals, they are rivals for students, etc. It's not just a flippant opponent added (like say Idaho at Florida) for the sake of a paycheck.

Elitist - again, when you voice your opinion as an absolute fact - that comes across elitist. Especially when you voice it should be applicable for all in FCS. What proof do you actually have that FBS fans don't like the games - anymore than playing anyone they would consider a cupcake? Who are you to decide that W&M shouldn't play UVA, Navy, Tech, UNC?

Attendance numbers prove your theory wrong in many cases. I never heard any UVA fans complain about the games with W&M - the games against Idaho, yeah.

The only thing I find hippocritical is your mentioning the possible benefits of Lehigh to play UVA or Syracuse - but then find it unacceptable that any FCS team play an FBS team.

Speak for Lehigh if you want, not for the rest of us.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

You just don't get it.

We have history playing occasional D2 opponents, most recently New Haven a few years ago. Hampton was D2 when we first started that series. Same for Norfolk State. No one complained about adding them or playing them. Our first game against Delaware in 1976, they were D2. Started a great series.

We have rivalries with UVA, Tech, UNC. They are also academic rivals, they are rivals for students, etc. It's not just a flippant opponent added (like say Idaho at Florida) for the sake of a paycheck.

Elitist - again, when you voice your opinion as an absolute fact - that comes across elitist. Especially when you voice it should be applicable for all in FCS. What proof do you actually have that FBS fans don't like the games - anymore than playing anyone they would consider a cupcake? Who are you to decide that W&M shouldn't play UVA, Navy, Tech, UNC?

Attendance numbers prove your theory wrong in many cases. I never heard any UVA fans complain about the games with W&M - the games against Idaho, yeah.

The only thing I find hippocritical is your mentioning the possible benefits of Lehigh to play UVA or Syracuse - but then find it unacceptable that any FCS team play an FBS team.

Speak for Lehigh if you want, not for the rest of us.

William & Mary like Holy Cross played 1A football before dropping down so I understand the ties there, especially from a W&M standpoint. That's the closest the Tribe will ever get to big time football these days. Letting go of that or not having would obviously be disappointing. Still, I don't see what benefit UVA and UNC has in playing W&M given the fact a loss would be catastrophic. Fan bases go irate when they lose to FCS teams and head coaches seats get a lot hotter. The fact attendance is high makes sense since it is two instate schools with some history of playing each other How man Vandel fans are driving distance of Charlottesville? This is why Temple will only schedule regional FCS fans. If you're going to do it make it as appealing as possible.

If W&M has a history of playing D2 teams then they should play one as often as they butt heads with FBS teams. Like I said, keep the opportunity to play up available to D2 teams too...

I've said over and over the benefits of Lehigh and Syracuse playing each other are not equal. Lehigh gets a lot more out of it than Syracuse does. I follow Syracuse sports and I have no interest in the Orange playing Lehigh. But if the Orange are going to schedule FCS teams then Lehigh makes sense.....

[BisonFan02]

These FBS games have so much more value then just money. For NDSU they helped with exposure, connecting with alumni across the country and recruiting. Not sure why anyone that is an FCS fan would want to see these games go away. It makes no sense and would just hurt the FCS.

FBS games for NDSU (outside of IA in 2016...and even that is a maybe) are all but done for the foreseeable future. The typical FBS game for NDSU has been a "winnable"/non body bag matchup within the recruiting footprint. Conference by conference below:

B1G: Thread topic....all but over for potential matchups
Big 12: NOBODY in the Big 12 is going to be picking up the phone for a game against NDSU...
SEC: Outside of recruiting footprint and the SEC has many more local FCS teams to choose from for those late season "body bag" games. NDSU also won't play OOC FBS games late in the year with the MVFC schedule anyway.
ACC: See SEC
PAC 12: THIS is the only glimmer of light...there was talk at one time of an Arizona St./Arizona type game...maybe Colorado as well? Montana signing contracts with Washington and Oregon is good to see as well.

G5 conferences: Wouldn't pay enough to justify losing a home game in Fargo and no G5 school in their right mind is calling NDSU for a matchup...the Central Mich, Ball St., and Colorado St. games for NDSU were blowouts.

That in a nutshell is NDSU's possibility going forward...and to be perfectly honest, I really don't ****ing care. Not having a FBS game gives the Bison more flexibility to do home/homes with FCS power teams (like Montana, EWU...etc.). The 6 home game (4 conference games and 2 "body bag" one-and-dones) and 1 FBS road game schedule philosophy didn't leave very much wiggle room for NDSU to play OOC FCS teams on the road.

If the trade off is better OOC home games for NDSU in exchange for those FBS games, I'm taking better home games.

[FargoBison]

FBS games for NDSU (outside of IA in 2016...and even that is a maybe) are all but done for the foreseeable future. The typical FBS game for NDSU has been a "winnable"/non body bag matchup within the recruiting footprint. Conference by conference below:

B1G: Thread topic....all but over for potential matchups
Big 12: NOBODY in the Big 12 is going to be picking up the phone for a game against NDSU...
SEC: Outside of recruiting footprint and the SEC has many more local FCS teams to choose from for those late season "body bag" games. NDSU also won't play OOC FBS games late in the year with the MVFC schedule anyway.
ACC: See SEC
PAC 12: THIS is the only glimmer of light...there was talk at one time of an Arizona St./Arizona type game...maybe Colorado as well? Montana signing contracts with Washington and Oregon is good to see as well.

G5 conferences: Wouldn't pay enough to justify losing a home game in Fargo and no G5 school in their right mind is calling NDSU for a matchup...the Central Mich, Ball St., and Colorado St. games for NDSU were blowouts.

That in a nutshell is NDSU's possibility going forward...and to be perfectly honest, I really don't ****ing care. Not having a FBS game gives the Bison more flexibility to do home/homes with FCS power teams (like Montana, EWU...etc.). The 6 home game (4 conference games and 2 "body bag" one-and-dones) and 1 FBS road game schedule philosophy didn't leave very much wiggle room for NDSU to play OOC FCS teams on the road.

If the trade off is better OOC home games for NDSU in exchange for those FBS games, I'm taking better home games.

Getting good FCS teams to come to Fargo is about as hard as finding FBS games from what I understand, at least if you want a team from east of the Mississippi.

This B1G FCS ban has really screwed the entire MVC.

[BisonFan02]

Getting good FCS teams to come to Fargo is about as hard as finding FBS games from what I understand, at least if you want a team from east of the Mississippi.

This B1G FCS ban has really screwed the entire MVC.

Its not hard if the Bison make the return trip ala Montana and EWU...it isn't that hard for UNI to get games either.

[Hammersmith]

Its not hard if the Bison make the return trip ala Montana and EWU...it isn't that hard for UNI to get games either.

I just don't like that our OOC schedule is becoming almost exclusively Big Sky. I look at last year as the start of the new scheduling philosophy/reality. Looking at our OOC schedules from 2014-onward, they consist of B1G(1), B12(1), Southland(1), and Big Sky(8). That's just tilted too much toward a single conference. (IMO)

[BisonFan02]

I just don't like that our OOC schedule is becoming almost exclusively Big Sky. I look at last year as the start of the new scheduling philosophy/reality. Looking at our OOC schedules from 2014-onward, they consist of B1G(1), B12(1), Southland(1), and Big Sky(8). That's just tilted too much toward a single conference. (IMO)

Don't disagree, but I think more FCS opportunities are on the horizon and I don't look at the conference TOO much as long as it is quality OOC opponents. Having the Big Sky as a solid OOC partner isn't exactly a bad thing for the MVFC either.

[centennial]

FBS games for NDSU (outside of IA in 2016...and even that is a maybe) are all but done for the foreseeable future. The typical FBS game for NDSU has been a "winnable"/non body bag matchup within the recruiting footprint. Conference by conference below:

B1G: Thread topic....all but over for potential matchups
Big 12: NOBODY in the Big 12 is going to be picking up the phone for a game against NDSU...
SEC: Outside of recruiting footprint and the SEC has many more local FCS teams to choose from for those late season "body bag" games. NDSU also won't play OOC FBS games late in the year with the MVFC schedule anyway.
ACC: See SEC
PAC 12: THIS is the only glimmer of light...there was talk at one time of an Arizona St./Arizona type game...maybe Colorado as well? Montana signing contracts with Washington and Oregon is good to see as well.

G5 conferences: Wouldn't pay enough to justify losing a home game in Fargo and no G5 school in their right mind is calling NDSU for a matchup...the Central Mich, Ball St., and Colorado St. games for NDSU were blowouts.

That in a nutshell is NDSU's possibility going forward...and to be perfectly honest, I really don't ****ing care. Not having a FBS game gives the Bison more flexibility to do home/homes with FCS power teams (like Montana, EWU...etc.). The 6 home game (4 conference games and 2 "body bag" one-and-dones) and 1 FBS road game schedule philosophy didn't leave very much wiggle room for NDSU to play OOC FCS teams on the road.

If the trade off is better OOC home games for NDSU in exchange for those FBS games, I'm taking better home games.
SEC- They play a game or two OOC at the start of the season. LSU or Auburn or Georgia or Vanderbilt might be willing to play.
ACC- Same as above Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech might also be willing to play.
PAC 12- Also the top of the PAC 12 might be willing to play

One thing is for sure, no more FBS games in the recruiting footprint. Certainly no games out of the traditional top 25 FBS teams. I still think these games have value. However, we are one top 10 beatdown away from complete avoidance. We go beat Georgia or Auburn or LSU or Arizona, forget anymore FBS games.

[BisonFan02]

SEC- They play a game or two OOC at the start of the season. LSU or Auburn or Georgia or Vanderbilt might be willing to play.
ACC- Same as above Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech might also be willing to play.
PAC 12- Also the top of the PAC 12 might be willing to play

One thing is for sure, no more FBS games in the recruiting footprint. Certainly no games out of the traditional top 25 FBS teams. I still think these games have value. However, we are one top 10 beatdown away from complete avoidance. We go beat Georgia or Auburn or LSU or Arizona, forget anymore FBS games.

And the SEC/ACC play those games....against Western Carolina and Presby....not NDSU

[centennial]

And the SEC/ACC play those games....against Western Carolina and Presby....not NDSU
Not that I disagree with you but there are still teams in those leagues that want good opponents. Ideally, what we could use is a little press. Dennis Dodd does an article about how P5 is scared of NDSU and someone might come forward. I am not optimistic.

[BisonFan02]

Not that I disagree with you but there are still teams in those leagues that want good opponents. Ideally, what we could use is a little press. Dennis Dodd does an article about how P5 is scared of NDSU and someone might come forward. I am not optimistic.

P5 schools are not ducking FCS level schools...they just have MANY more safer options closer to home. :D

[Sitting Bull]

William & Mary like Holy Cross played 1A football before dropping down so I understand the ties there, especially from a W&M standpoint. That's the closest the Tribe will ever get to big time football these days. Letting go of that or not having would obviously be disappointing. Still, I don't see what benefit UVA and UNC has in playing W&M given the fact a loss would be catastrophic. Fan bases go irate when they lose to FCS teams and head coaches seats get a lot hotter. The fact attendance is high makes sense since it is two instate schools with some history of playing each other How man Vandel fans are driving distance of Charlottesville? This is why Temple will only schedule regional FCS fans. If you're going to do it make it as appealing as possible.

If W&M has a history of playing D2 teams then they should play one as often as they butt heads with FBS teams. Like I said, keep the opportunity to play up available to D2 teams too...

I've said over and over the benefits of Lehigh and Syracuse playing each other are not equal. Lehigh gets a lot more out of it than Syracuse does. I follow Syracuse sports and I have no interest in the Orange playing Lehigh. But if the Orange are going to schedule FCS teams then Lehigh makes sense.....

I just don't think you want to get to the issue here - which is Lehigh has no history or rivalries with FBS programs - therefore doesn't play them - and therefore shouldn't play them unless they add an equal number of games with Gettysburg or Slippery Rock - and doesn't think anyone should either. Or maybe you are coming from the Temple perspective that a loss to an FCS program (like Fordham) would be so devastating (guess what, it wasn't).

We beat UVA in 2009. They survived. Richmond beat Duke the same night. The Richmond TD sports headline Sunday morning was "CAA 2, ACC 0". It was great for college football, the same way you get tourney upsets. It was great for the casual sports fans in VA. UVA crushed Indiana two weeks later.

We have also played D2 teams so I'm not sure what your issue is.

It would probably help your program there at Lehigh to try it - there are certainly FBS programs who want an easier opener nearby. I think HC starts again next year with UConn, a nice match-up and please don't try and convince me that UConn fans would rather have them play Ball State because they are "technically FBS". That's just bull****. The game will have some nice local interest, they will sell more tickets, UConn will likely get a nice opening win, HC will have a great alumni event and probably get the interest up among their students (like Lehigh apparently wants to) and UConn will keep more of the gate than any other home game on their schedule.

If the FBS schools didn't want these games, they wouldn't schedule them. The fact is some sell tickets (imagine the difference at Minnesota if they opened with ND State instead of San Jose) - they provide a tune-up win that counts - and they only pay the FCS team half the money they would have to pay some lowball G5 team. I think everyone can win.

But again, it shouldn't be a general rule like you propose. That's more in the Ivy/Patriot bubble mindset.

[RootinFerDukes]

I have a love/hate relationship with the fbs games, but if my school performed like ndsu, I'd just love it. Who wouldn't want a six figure paycheck, bigger exposure and a marquee win to put a feather in your cap?
I love them for all the previous reasons. I hate them because it's a loss, it doesn't prove anything as far as measuring where you stand as a team that season if you lose, and it's just boring to be blown out and have to be reminded of the mindless idiots that Walmart P5 fans are.
In 2011, I went to the unc game and a man felt the need to yell about how "this is big boy football, not that peewee league nonsense." All game long. Luckily most fans around him looked embarrassed for him. Unc isn't even good either. That was the funniest part.

It's bad for all Fcs teams because we rely on these pay days to help pay the bills. In va, they just passed a law requiring public Fcs universities to be below 80% student fee subsidies, I believe. Maybe 70% even.
How can these small public schools continue to afford to keep their program above water? I can see some programs having to fold in the not so distant future. They may have to cut scholarships.
It's really screwing the Mvc. JMU won't have Maryland or wvu as options anymore. Wvu said they've chosen to not schedule them anymore, even if the big 12 hasn't done that as a conference.

[clenz]

I have a love/hate relationship with the fbs games, but if my school performed like ndsu, I'd just love it. Who wouldn't want a six figure paycheck, bigger exposure and a marquee win to put a feather in your cap?
I love them for all the previous reasons. I hate them because it's a loss, it doesn't prove anything as far as measuring where you stand as a team that season if you lose, and it's just boring to be blown out and have to be reminded of the mindless idiots that Walmart P5 fans are.
In 2011, I went to the unc game and a man felt the need to yell about how "this is big boy football, not that peewee league nonsense." All game long. Luckily most fans around him looked embarrassed for him. Unc isn't even good either. That was the funniest part.

It's bad for all Fcs teams because we rely on these pay days to help pay the bills. In va, they just passed a law requiring public Fcs universities to be below 80% student fee subsidies, I believe. Maybe 70% even.
How can these small public schools continue to afford to keep their program above water? I can see some programs having to fold in the not so distant future. They may have to cut scholarships.
It's really screwing the Mvc. JMU won't have Maryland or wvu as options anymore. Wvu said they've chosen to not schedule them anymore, even if the big 12 hasn't done that as a conference.
How the **** do you gouge your students for that kind of money and feel good with yourself?

If you need 80% of your budget from student fees maybe you should cut football


Jesus damn

[RootinFerDukes]

How the **** do you gouge your students for that kind of money and feel good with yourself?

If you need 80% of your budget from student fees maybe you should cut football


Jesus damn

Va requires all schools to account more clearly all fees associated with athletics as such. Many other states are able to label their line items differently and their numbers don't look as massive in comparison.
If you look at that USA today report, I think a large portion of them are va schools. No coincidence.
Most schools outside of power conferences wouldn't be able to have athletics at all without student fees. The reality is that there just isn't any realistic sources of revenue for the lower programs. Most money is in media and they only want big boy programs on their channels.

Many of our fans have asked our ad why our budget is at a G5 level without playing G5 fbs football. 34M or thereabout... For Fcs football. We haven't received a straight answer.
The legislation may be what is needed to force budget cuts to lower fees.

[clenz]

Va requires all schools to account more clearly all fees associated with athletics as such. Many other states are able to label their line items differently and their numbers don't look as massive in comparison.
If you look at that USA today report, I think a large portion of them are va schools. No coincidence.
Most schools outside of power conferences wouldn't be able to have athletics at all without student fees. The reality is that there just isn't any realistic sources of revenue for the lower programs. Most money is in media and they only want big boy programs on their channels.
I maintain if you need to gouge your students for 80% maybe you do need to cut football, or at the very least take a very long and hard look at how you're operating your department.

UNI is under 50 and that includes students AND general fund money from the state

[Go...gate]

William & Mary like Holy Cross and Colgate played 1A football before dropping down so I understand the ties there, especially from a W&M standpoint. That's the closest the Tribe will ever get to big time football these days. Letting go of that or not having would obviously be disappointing. Still, I don't see what benefit UVA and UNC has in playing W&M given the fact a loss would be catastrophic. Fan bases go irate when they lose to FCS teams and head coaches seats get a lot hotter. The fact attendance is high makes sense since it is two instate schools with some history of playing each other How man Vandel fans are driving distance of Charlottesville? This is why Temple will only schedule regional FCS fans. If you're going to do it make it as appealing as possible.

If W&M has a history of playing D2 teams then they should play one as often as they butt heads with FBS teams. Like I said, keep the opportunity to play up available to D2 teams too...

I've said over and over the benefits of Lehigh and Syracuse playing each other are not equal. Lehigh gets a lot more out of it than Syracuse does. I follow Syracuse sports and I have no interest in the Orange playing Lehigh. But if the Orange are going to schedule FCS teams then Lehigh makes sense.....

Fixed it for you, but I agree with our W&M colleague.

[RootinFerDukes]

I maintain if you need to gouge your students for 80% maybe you do need to cut football, or at the very least take a very long and hard look at how you're operating your department.

UNI is under 50 and that includes students AND general fund money from the state

I don't disagree. Many students have no clue and we are still 6th cheapest public in our state overall WITH the fees. All cheaper schools are lower ranking academically.

I also don't believe we can use any general funds towards anything athletic. Many regulations in va that most states aren't subject too.

[The Yo Show]

Some interesting comments from YSU HC Bo Pelini regarding the Big 10's new no FCS scheduling policy:
“When we played South Dakota State, we knew we had to roll up our sleeves and be ready to go,” Pelini said. “You can’t just lump everyone into one category. Some [FCS] teams are better than others. And there are some FBS schools that would struggle in our conference. It’s all on a case-by-case basis in my opinion.”

See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/aug/16/big-tens-no-fcs-policy-hurts-ysu/?newswatch#sthash.lD3liRIe.dpuf