SportsNetwork Poll; Sept. 15

[kdinva]

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/cfoot225poll.aspx



1.
North Dakota State Bison (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/gateway/teamsn.aspx?id=713) (146)
3-0
4010
1


2.
Eastern Washington Eagles (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/bigsky/teamsn.aspx?id=489) (15)
2-1
3865
2


3.
Southeastern Louisiana Lions (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/southland/teamsn.aspx?id=848)
2-1
3458
3


4.
Montana Grizzlies (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/bigsky/teamsn.aspx?id=548)
2-1
3406
4


5.
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/bigsouth/teamsn.aspx?id=850)
3-0
3225
5


6.
McNeese State Cowboys (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/southland/teamsn.aspx?id=536)
1-1
3117
6


7.
New Hampshire Wildcats (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/colonial/teamsn.aspx?id=556)
1-1
3075
7


8.
Villanova Wildcats (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/colonial/teamsn.aspx?id=643)
1-1
2986
8


9.
Jacksonville State Gamecocks (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/ovc/teamsn.aspx?id=669)
1-1
2751
9


10.
South Dakota State Jackrabbits (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/gateway/teamsn.aspx?id=V36)
2-1
2585
11


11.
Northern Iowa Panthers (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/gateway/teamsn.aspx?id=568)
0-2
2222
10


12.
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/meac/teamsn.aspx?id=466)
2-0
1861
13


13.
William & Mary Tribe (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/colonial/teamsn.aspx?id=637)
2-1
1712
16


14.
Montana State Bobcats (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/bigsky/teamsn.aspx?id=549)
2-1
1684
17


15.
Chattanooga Mocs (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/southern/teamsn.aspx?id=606)
1-2
1624
14


16.
Southern Illinois Salukis (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/gateway/teamsn.aspx?id=595)
3-0
1590
20


17.
Richmond Spiders (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/colonial/teamsn.aspx?id=587)
2-1
1581
18


18.
Fordham Rams (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/patriot/teamsn.aspx?id=646)
2-1
1323
19


19.
Youngstown State Penguins (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/gateway/teamsn.aspx?id=641)
2-1
1129
21


20.
Tennessee State Tigers (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/ovc/teamsn.aspx?id=607)
2-1
827
22


21.
Furman Paladins (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/southern/teamsn.aspx?id=501)
2-1
759
12


22.
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/bigsky/teamsn.aspx?id=566)
2-1
720
24


23.
Eastern Kentucky Colonels (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/ovc/teamsn.aspx?id=494)
3-0
547
NR


24.
Liberty Flames (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/bigsouth/teamsn.aspx?id=645)
2-1
377
NR


25.
Sam Houston State Bearkats (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/conf/southland/teamsn.aspx?id=593)
1-3
241
15


Others receiving votes: Bryant 181, Delaware 172, Illinois State 171, Towson 136, Wofford 97, Maine 93, Albany 89, Samford 81, Princeton 81, James Madison 54, Indiana State 51, Missouri State 46, Presbyterian 43, Eastern Illinois 39, Harvard 38, Charleston Southern 35, Central Arkansas 33, North Carolina A&T 33, Sacred Heart 29, Mercer 20, Lehigh 19, South Carolina State 18, Alcorn State 18, Alabama State 16, Southern Utah 14, Gardner-Webb 8, Western Illinois 8, Abilene Christian 7, Butler 5, Stephen F. Austin 4, Sacramento State 4, Western Carolina 2, Cal Poly 2, South Dakota 2, Texas Southern 1.

[BisonFan02]

Speechless........

[JSUBison]

Jesus christ.

[JMUNJ08]

Delaware 172
Towson 136
Eastern Illinois 39
Indiana State 51
Abilene Christian 7

Did they just repost week 2? Seriously, I could of kept going but ISUb and ACU have FBS wins and generally looked good while Delaware, Towson and EIU have looked atrocious to just barely passable as mediocre...and for them to have that many votes is nuts

While I have been busy the past few weeks, its time for me to jump back in the AGS poll so I can at least say my piece (and never look at this pile of flaming garbage again)

[Houndawg]

Pitiful..xcrazyx

[BisonFan02]

Ignoring the fact that SHSU is still in this poll.....

Bryant 181, Delaware 172, Illinois State 171, Towson 136, Wofford 97, Maine 93, Albany 89, Samford 81, Princeton 81, James Madison 54, Indiana State 51, Missouri State 46, Presbyterian 43, Eastern Illinois 39, Harvard 38, Charleston Southern 35, Central Arkansas 33, North Carolina A&T 33, Sacred Heart 29, Mercer 20, Lehigh 19, South Carolina State 18, Alcorn State 18, Alabama State 16, Southern Utah 14, Gardner-Webb 8, Western Illinois 8, Abilene Christian 7, Butler 5, Stephen F. Austin 4, Sacramento State 4, Western Carolina 2, Cal Poly 2, South Dakota 2, Texas Southern 1.

There's more, but those are just 5 that throw me.....I don't even know what to think about this poll...but I'm not really surprised.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I don't believe the poll is THAT BAD minus a of coupe things, SHSU and BCU.

I watched SELA against Tulane and they did not look very good relative to their ranking.

[veinup]

Griiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiz

[RabidRabbit]

Other than the major FU on Furman, SHSU, the only other issue I had was related to SE LA. That team, if worthy of a #3 FCS NEEDED to knock off a middling FBS team. Based STRICTLY on the 3 games to date, shouldn't McNeese St. be the highest rated of the SLC schools?

This poll builds too much off prior weeks rankings. Indiana St., while a pre-season cellar dweller, has been extremely impressive. The Sycamores APPEARED competitive vs Indiana, which I watched, while the SDSU/Mizzou game was getting going. And now with their FBS scalp, and win over a full-schollie FCS, are looking sharp. It's easy to miss outstanding starts of programs that aren't on the initial radar of voters. But then again, these sports writers are the ones that should be aware of what's happening in the FCS games prior to voting.

[BestDaneSinceHamlet]

The coaches poll is even worse. Maine at 20? SHSU at 15?
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/polls/fcs

[JSUBison]

The coaches poll is even worse. Maine at 20? SHSU at 15?
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/polls/fcs

That's last week's, it just hasn't been updated all the way yet.

[Theee Catrabbit]

Still...how is SHSU in this poll? You know if SDSU loses by one point this weekend on a fluke play they will be bounced from this poll........let alone a trouncing.

[Gil Dobie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V0TYIO6yv4

[FCS Go!]

Nice to see we have the annual "un-updated tsn poll meltdown " out of the way...

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Hey, come on. There are only 3 teams with losing records in the Top 25. Give them a break.

[UNIFanSince1983]

How does a 0-2 team be ranked 11th?

I don't care that they were both FBS losses...

[penguinpower]

This poll is a joke and shows the agendas of people.

[penguinpower]

The issue for me is that this poll goes a long way toward influencing playoff selections. That is unfortunately a fact.

[OhioHen]

Delaware 172

...and for them to have ANY votes is nuts



FIFY

Folks have seen my argument about why Northern Iowa shouldn't be ranked in the AGS Poll thread. Even so, I have UNI ahead of Delaware on my list at this point.

[clenz]

Nice to see we have the annual "un-updated tsn poll meltdown " out of the way...
Annual?

That's a weekly deal.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Still...how is SHSU in this poll? You know if SDSU loses by one point this weekend on a fluke play they will be bounced from this poll........let alone a trouncing.

Are you just all about being overly dramatic? Is that your deal? Just trying to figure this odd emotionality out here.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The issue for me is that this poll goes a long way toward influencing playoff selections. That is unfortunately a fact.

If it's a fact please show me that information would you?

[REALBird]

Would be great if the SportsNetwork/TSN had a nice piece on "How they Voted". I mean if you ranked a team, then at least be able to justify the rationale behind their ranking. My guess is that some "sportswriters" have an agenda to keep at least one team from their conference or region a little higher than normal. Not out of spite to other conferences, but simply because they're just not paying attention to the games and what's happening.

As an Illinois State fan, I am OK with where we're ranked. We beat the #25 team which in my opinion was over ranked to begin with, and beating Miss. Valley St. didn't move the sticks as much for me either. But how SHSU can be ranked after losing to a D-II school, and albeit close losses UNI is still flirting near the top of the ranking. I'm just baffled!

Then in the others receiving votes category, I swear...........just.........(barf bag). Do these guys watch FCS football, or are they just watching the early games and answering "C" to all the other questions on the test?

I suggest finding the chair of the FCS selection committee and sending them the weekly AGS Poll. TSN.....get it together. I'll foot the bill for the weekly Skype Call of voters.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Still...how is SHSU in this poll? You know if SDSU loses by one point this weekend on a fluke play they will be bounced from this poll........let alone a trouncing.

To be fair you are playing a DIII school this weekend...

[IaaScribe]

Don't kill all of us writers. For instance, of the Big South voters, I'm the only one who doesn't work at a school or in the conference office. Lots of lots of SIDs and radio people on the poll list.

[knucklehead]

And he ^^^^ posts his ballot on line each week.

[RabidRabbit]

The requirement to line up a home game. xembarrassedx Yes, Rabbits need a solid drubbing of UW-Oshkosh, by gosh! to avoid slipping in the polls.

A loss should be as bad, and likely worse than SHSU after their D-II debacle. Altho, D-II powerhouses have managed to kick FCS play-off teams for a loop in prior seasons.

[BattinRam]

The requirement to line up a home game. xembarrassedx Yes, Rabbits need a solid drubbing of UW-Oshkosh, by gosh! to avoid slipping in the polls.

A loss should be as bad, and likely worse than SHSU after their D-II debacle. Altho, D-II powerhouses have managed to kick FCS play-off teams for a loop in prior seasons.

Coaches Poll
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/FCS-Coaches-Poll-5756874.php

[BattinRam]

6 MVFC Teams in the Top 25
2 others receiving votes

[UNIFanSince1983]

The requirement to line up a home game. xembarrassedx Yes, Rabbits need a solid drubbing of UW-Oshkosh, by gosh! to avoid slipping in the polls.

A loss should be as bad, and likely worse than SHSU after their D-II debacle. Altho, D-II powerhouses have managed to kick FCS play-off teams for a loop in prior seasons.

A loss to a 0-2 D-III even a close one would be orders of magnitude worse than a loss to a Top 5 D-II school even with the drubbing that it was.

Say it was UW-Whitewater or Mount Union I might revise that statement, but it would probably still be worse.

[penguinpower]

If it's a fact please show me that information would you?

Tell you what. You give me the polls each week prior to playoff selection over the last 3 years and then provide me with the playoff teams that were selected from that poll for each year and I will run a Chi-square analysis of it and prove to you that it is relevant.

[REALBird]

Don't kill all of us writers. For instance, of the Big South voters, I'm the only one who doesn't work at a school or in the conference office. Lots of lots of SIDs and radio people on the poll list.

IAAScribe, your transparency is appreciated, but the polls speak for themselves. Without some level of collusion, HOW anyone thinks SHSU should still be ranked is beyond me. The lone W is over Alabama St, and while I can even rationalize the L to EWU, or their drubbing to LSU, losing to D-II school should have all but cooked their goose. So how enough voters still managed to keep them at #25 is beyond me. Surely every voter wasn't saying "That's a quality loss!". Even if it was a Win, it doesn't count toward playoff eligibility.

Seems almost as if some "writers" (gasp) collaborated and cooked the polls. No evidence, but something smells fishy! Heck, if that's the case, why not continue to rank EIU? A loss to a ranked SIU. Loss to Big 10 Minnesota. Loss to Illinois State, who is a member of The League of Extraordinary FCS Teams (humor).

But thanks for your input once again, much appreciated.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Tell you what. You give me the polls each week prior to playoff selection over the last 3 years and then provide me with the playoff teams that were selected from that poll for each year and I will run a Chi-square analysis of it and prove to you that it is relevant.

Since you said it was fact I would have assumed you'd already have that information?

I am sure you must know that the teams on the AGS Top 25 have been more likely to get a playoff bid than the TSN right?

[JSUBison]

IAAScribe, your transparency is appreciated, but the polls speak for themselves. Without some level of collusion, HOW anyone thinks SHSU should still be ranked is beyond me. The lone W is over Alabama St, and while I can even rationalize the L to EWU, or their drubbing to LSU, losing to D-II school should have all but cooked their goose. So how enough voters still managed to keep them at #25 is beyond me. Surely every voter wasn't saying "That's a quality loss!". Even if it was a Win, it doesn't count toward playoff eligibility.

Seems almost as if some "writers" (gasp) collaborated and cooked the polls. No evidence, but something smells fishy! Heck, if that's the case, why not continue to rank EIU? A loss to a ranked SIU. Loss to Big 10 Minnesota. Loss to Illinois State, who is a member of The League of Extraordinary FCS Teams (humor).

But thanks for your input once again, much appreciated.

It's bizzaro world. To think that there had to be numerous voters putting SHSU in the high teens to offset those that rightfully did not include SHSU in their ballot is just (Fill in the blank).

[penguinpower]

@ ursus
I can tell you that there is certainly a correlation between what TSN posts vs AGS and I could tell you how much more accurate AGS is vs TSN with whatever confidence interval you want. But need the data. Then you can adveetise how much more accurate the AGS poll is with regard to playoff selection

[ursus arctos horribilis]

@ ursus
I can tell you that there is certainly a correlation between what TSN posts vs AGS and I could tell you how much more accurate AGS is vs TSN with whatever confidence interval you want. But need the data. Then you can adveetise how much more accurate the AGS poll is with regard to playoff selection

We already do that to some extent. You might have just missed the threads (dozens) over the last few years that compare the two. I know Prof. Chaos and bluehenbill usually have a good handle on that stuff and have threads on it at the end of the year.

I also know supey was working on some stuff. When you see that black bar at the top that says "historical links" etc. most of the information you would need is in there on one of several of the docs contained there. I think AGS may have been tied but hasn't been beaten in something like 8 or 10 yrs. Not positive on the retro distance but it's a long time now. Most of the time I stick with the "in the last 5 yrs." but I saw an old thread in the back room from 2006 talking about the AGS Poll being more correctly aligned with the committee for the past couple years or so...which would seem to go back to nearly the beginning.

[MTfan4life]

You know if SDSU loses by one point this weekend on a fluke play they will be bounced from this poll........let alone a trouncing.

You obviously don't know the TSN poll very well. Once you're in the poll, it's really really hard to get out of it.

[Catbooster]

Tell you what. You give me the polls each week prior to playoff selection over the last 3 years and then provide me with the playoff teams that were selected from that poll for each year and I will run a Chi-square analysis of it and prove to you that it is relevant.

I'm sure you can show correlation, but correlation does not equal causation.

[Wallace]

Dreadful poll and shaming to SIDs and these so-called media members and others.

[penguinpower]

I'm sure you can show correlation, but correlation does not equal causation.


It is easy to show a correlation using a Pearson coefficient and it is pretty obvious there is a correlation. You can however show cause using Chi-square and I am thinking about running the analysis because I am curious to see how high/low the p-values are and who the outliers are. For instance I can tell you who gets more statistically Woffed by the playoff committee based on poll ranking, especially across the two polls. All of the action will probably take place between the ranking of 13 to 20.

[Sycamore62]

What if C-A-T spelled Dog