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Lehigh Football Nation
May 9th, 2014, 09:17 AM
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/05/09/0509-jim-tressel-named-YSU-president.html

And a little reminder of, um, Tressel's work history:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2011/06/tressels-con-in-plain-sight.html

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 09:19 AM
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/05/09/0509-jim-tressel-named-YSU-president.html

And a little reminder of, um, Tressel's work history:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2011/06/tressels-con-in-plain-sight.html


Maybe they'll give him an honorary doctorate so he can actually have one.

DFW HOYA
May 9th, 2014, 09:33 AM
It's rare that a college president would not have a Ph.D., but good for him nonetheless.

RichH2
May 9th, 2014, 09:39 AM
First reaction was that this is a late April Fools announcement😀

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 09:39 AM
It's rare that a college president would not have a Ph.D., but good for him nonetheless.

While I'm not one for schadenfreude, this is an awfully soft cushion for him to land on considering his consistently shady behavior.

clenz
May 9th, 2014, 10:17 AM
The way YSU worships him is on only matched by the way JoePa can do no wrong to PSU fans.

No matter how ****ed up their actions were they will always be treated like a god

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NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 10:20 AM
The way YSU worships him is on only matched by the way JoePa can do no wrong to PSU fans.

No matter how ****ed up their actions were they will always be treated like a god

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This is purely a patronage appointment. Maybe he'll appoint Mickey Monus or Ray Isaac as VPs.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 9th, 2014, 10:40 AM
Look on the bright side - the president already knows all the bagmen in town.

DFW HOYA
May 9th, 2014, 10:50 AM
YSU could use the visibility--enrollment is dropping and in a city with so many problems, they need someone who can get some attention.

""Since fall 2011, the university’s enrollment has been slipping. In fall 2010, 15,194 students were enrolled. The number dropped to 14,540 in fall 2011 and 13,825 in fall 2012. Last fall, 13,395 were enrolled."

By the spring, just 12,823.


http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/jan/31/ysu-enrollment-off--from-last-spring/#sthash.Rs9BCDhF.dpuf

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 10:56 AM
YSU could use the visibility--enrollment is dropping and in a city with so many problems, they need someone who can get some attention.

""Since fall 2011, the university’s enrollment has been slipping. In fall 2010, 15,194 students were enrolled. The number dropped to 14,540 in fall 2011 and 13,825 in fall 2012. Last fall, 13,395 were enrolled."

By the spring, just 12,823.


http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/jan/31/ysu-enrollment-off--from-last-spring/#sthash.Rs9BCDhF.dpuf

Would you accept Tressel if he were named president of Georgetown?

Go Green
May 9th, 2014, 11:07 AM
Would you accept Tressel if he were named president of Georgetown?

He'd probably make upgrading the football facilities in a hurry. :)

In addition to attention/visibility, I'm sure Tressel was hired by YSU to help with university fundraising, which is almost always job #1 of the president.

Libertine
May 9th, 2014, 11:07 AM
First reaction was that this is a late April Fools announcement

I thought the same.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 11:09 AM
He'd probably make upgrading the football facilities in a hurry. :)

In addition to attention/visibility, I'm sure Tressel was hired by YSU to help with university fundraising, which is almost always job #1 of the president.

While I am an enormous sports fan I am also married to an academic. I wonder how the faculty see this. I mean those that aren't wearing their Penguin scarves.

LeopardBall10
May 9th, 2014, 11:13 AM
YSU could use the visibility

No such thing as bad press? for YSU's sake I hope so. But another scandal is sure to follow the new Prez

Lehigh Football Nation
May 9th, 2014, 11:38 AM
More on Jim Tressel at Youngstown State:

http://www.college-sports-journal.com/index.php/csj-classic-archives/820-tattoo-u

MplsBison
May 9th, 2014, 12:11 PM
YSU could use the visibility--enrollment is dropping and in a city with so many problems, they need someone who can get some attention.

""Since fall 2011, the university’s enrollment has been slipping. In fall 2010, 15,194 students were enrolled. The number dropped to 14,540 in fall 2011 and 13,825 in fall 2012. Last fall, 13,395 were enrolled."

By the spring, just 12,823.


http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/jan/31/ysu-enrollment-off--from-last-spring/#sthash.Rs9BCDhF.dpuf

Another attention grabber: getting out of the MVFC and into the FBS!

MplsBison
May 9th, 2014, 12:12 PM
He'd probably make upgrading the football facilities in a hurry. :)

In addition to attention/visibility, I'm sure Tressel was hired by YSU to help with university fundraising, which is almost always job #1 of the president.

Yep. Fundraising (salesman) and media relations. Two things that Tressel has and will excel at for YSU.

YSU isn't a research university, so they just need to worry about giving bachelor's degrees away to Ohio kids who can't get into other regional public schools.

DFW HOYA
May 9th, 2014, 12:52 PM
Would you accept Tressel if he were named president of Georgetown?

Apples and oranges. Youngstown's ways are not Georgetown's ways.

clenz
May 9th, 2014, 12:55 PM
Apples and oranges. Youngstown's ways are not Georgetown's ways.
A president is a president...

is it not?

PAllen
May 9th, 2014, 01:05 PM
A president is a president...

is it not?

Nope, but a troll is a troll.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 01:10 PM
A president is a president...

is it not?

This.

Like I said, I love Bison Football but if Rocky Hager were up for President of the University, I'd be pretty pissed.

MplsBison
May 9th, 2014, 01:14 PM
This.

Like I said, I love Bison Football but if Rocky Hager were up for President of the University, I'd be pretty pissed.

Youngstown in Ohio is about like Mayville in ND. NDSU is like Ohio State. Obvious difference.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 01:20 PM
Youngstown in Ohio is about like Mayville in ND. NDSU is like Ohio State. Obvious difference.

Nearly 80% of the instructors at the University have a higher level of education than the incoming president. It is a research university of some level and has a full graduate program with doctoral degrees.

It's not Mayville State.

clenz
May 9th, 2014, 01:23 PM
If it's about fundraising and sales he should be hired as a PR/Director of Donations for the Youngstown State "foundation"

I don't know what YSU calls it, but UNI calls it the UNI Foundation

http://www.uni-foundation.org/page.aspx?id=lotw36p55

Or hire him in the athletic department as the lead fundraiser for the athletic scholarship club.

President is about 100000000000x more things than fundraising.

clenz
May 9th, 2014, 01:27 PM
Withing the graduate colleges 45 of the 48 "directors" have a PhD

Lehigh Football Nation
May 9th, 2014, 01:27 PM
If it's about fundraising and sales he should be hired as a PR/Director of Donations for the Youngstown State "foundation"

I don't know what YSU calls it, but UNI calls it the UNI Foundation

http://www.uni-foundation.org/page.aspx?id=lotw36p55

Or hire him in the athletic department as the lead fundraiser for the athletic scholarship club.

President is about 100000000000x more things than fundraising.

Wouldn't the show clause prevent that?

clenz
May 9th, 2014, 01:30 PM
Wouldn't the show clause prevent that?
I don't know what that prevents...and it should be about up shouldn't it?

I thought that just prevented coaching/direct contact with the program.

Being in the athletic department as part of the scholarship club is completely different than being involved in any programs. - at least at UNI.

http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205146206

MplsBison
May 9th, 2014, 01:30 PM
They're not a research university in any sense of the word. http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=view&fice=3145

There's nothing wrong with that, of course. But it means that they really don't need an academic as their president.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 01:31 PM
I don't know what that prevents...and it should be about up shouldn't it?

I thought that just prevented coaching/direct contact with the program.

Being in the athletic department as part of the scholarship club is completely different than being involved in any programs. - at least at UNI.

http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205146206

As president he would have direct oversight of the athletic program so this is an interesting twist.

DFW HOYA
May 9th, 2014, 01:34 PM
Tressel was offered the Akron president's post as well, another Rust Belt school facing an uncertain funding future in Columbus and a declining enrollment future. His title at Akron was "Executive Vice President for Student Success".

http://www.uakron.edu/student-success/

Lehigh Football Nation
May 9th, 2014, 01:45 PM
As president he would have direct oversight of the athletic program so this is an interesting twist.


Tressel was offered the Akron president's post as well, another Rust Belt school facing an uncertain funding future in Columbus and a declining enrollment future. His title at Akron was "Executive Vice President for Student Success".

http://www.uakron.edu/student-success/

Two observations on this:

1) It is extremely interesting to me that he was mentioned in terms of "student success" instead of "athletic success".

2) This wouldn't have been the first time the fox would have been in charge of the henhouse.


Interestingly, at Youngstown State Tressel's power and influence over the athletic department was compounded by the fact that he was also the athletic director - something that meant that it would be he, himself, that reported these violations to the NCAA in 2000 at the tail end of their nine-year investigation.

"Tressel told school president Leslie Cochran that there wasn't anything to them, that they were from a disgruntled ex-employee," Coulson says. "Because of Tressel's reputation, Cochran believed him and convinced the NCAA that while there was smoke, there was no fire."

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 01:57 PM
I think Youngstown is inviting more trouble than it may get in benefit.

Daytripper
May 9th, 2014, 02:02 PM
Accrediting agencies will be taking a long, hard look at YSU. This may be a short-term benefit for the University, but it is long-term trouble.

MplsBison
May 9th, 2014, 02:26 PM
So, Youngstown and Delaware to the MAC?

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 02:34 PM
So, Youngstown and Delaware to the MAC?

I still think Akron and Toledo will object to Youngstown.

walliver
May 9th, 2014, 03:18 PM
They're not a research university in any sense of the word. http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=view&fice=3145

There's nothing wrong with that, of course. But it means that they really don't need an academic as their president.

Non-research universities are better served with "academics" as presidents since the purpose of such institutions is actual education. Research universities, with the many patents and business deals that go with that, are better served with CEO type people who can keep the business running smoothly.

I know of no type of school that is best served by a president with multiple character failings.

clenz
May 9th, 2014, 03:23 PM
Non-research universities are better served with "academics" as presidents since the purpose of such institutions is actual education. Research universities, with the many patents and business deals that go with that, are better served with CEO type people who can keep the business running smoothly.

I know of no type of school that is best served by a president with multiple character failings and no real background in anything related to being a university president.
FIFY

NoDak 4 Ever
May 9th, 2014, 03:24 PM
They're not a research university in any sense of the word. http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=view&fice=3145

There's nothing wrong with that, of course. But it means that they really don't need an academic as their president.

http://web.ysu.edu/gen/ysu/About_Research_at_YSU_m2702.html


, “The School of Graduate Studies and Research supports the continued development of faculty scholarship and serves as the principal point of coordination for both internally funded (http://web.ysu.edu/gen/ysu/FacultyStaff_Resources_m2659.html)and externally funded programs at Youngstown State University.” These coordination efforts are directed at obtaining the resources necessary to mount and maintain scholarly and educational programs of excellence and, in some cases, to target specific areas for regional and/or national prominence.

Please don't do what you usually do to these threads.

MplsBison
May 9th, 2014, 03:57 PM
http://web.ysu.edu/gen/ysu/About_Research_at_YSU_m2702.html

Please don't do what you usually do to these threads.

That's fine if they have a school with research in the name. Let me know when they start doing research.

MplsBison
May 9th, 2014, 03:59 PM
Non-research universities are better served with "academics" as presidents since the purpose of such institutions is actual education. Research universities, with the many patents and business deals that go with that, are better served with CEO type people who can keep the business running smoothly.

I know of no type of school that is best served by a president with multiple character failings.

I'm not apologizing for him, but running a B1G football program takes the exact same characteristics that are required to run any large organization.

clenz
May 9th, 2014, 04:02 PM
That's fine if they have a school with research in the name. Let me know when they start doing research.
Every university does research.

UNI isn't a "research" university but the professors do a TON of research through grants, the university, private organizations, etc... just like the University of Iowa. Only "real" difference is Iowa does much more and has a "label".

Just as YSU, NDSU, UND, USD, SDSU, and even local D3 schools like Wartburg, Central, Coe, Mount Mercy all have professors that do research

clenz
May 9th, 2014, 04:05 PM
I'm not apologizing for him, but running a B1G football program takes the exact same characteristics that are required to run any large organization.
A state university is not even close to a "large organization" when it comes to running it.

He could handle a roster of 100 kids...great...actually he didn't even do a real good job of handling that.

A university with an endowment of nearly 200 million, 13k students, roughly 800 faculty (using the 18:1 student/faculty ratio the school lists), all of the grants, funding, cuts, budgets, daily operations, etc... is about as far from a large organization as it gets.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 9th, 2014, 04:08 PM
A state university is not even close to a "large organization" when it comes to running it.

He could handle a roster of 100 kids...great...actually he didn't even do a real good job of handling that.

He did a great job of guiding them to bagmen to get them cars...

clenz
May 9th, 2014, 04:09 PM
He did a great job of guiding them to bagmen to get them cars...
He "knew nothing" about that.

MplsBison
May 9th, 2014, 05:02 PM
Every university does research.

UNI isn't a "research" university but the professors do a TON of research through grants, the university, private organizations, etc... just like the University of Iowa. Only "real" difference is Iowa does much more and has a "label".

Just as YSU, NDSU, UND, USD, SDSU, and even local D3 schools like Wartburg, Central, Coe, Mount Mercy all have professors that do research

This is UNI's research profile: http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=view&fice=1890.

In my opinion, the phrase "a TON" is not accurate. They do more than zero research, true. And no, not every university does research.

MplsBison
May 9th, 2014, 05:05 PM
A state university is not even close to a "large organization" when it comes to running it.

He could handle a roster of 100 kids...great...actually he didn't even do a real good job of handling that.

A university with an endowment of nearly 200 million, 13k students, roughly 800 faculty (using the 18:1 student/faculty ratio the school lists), all of the grants, funding, cuts, budgets, daily operations, etc... is about as far from a large organization as it gets.

Seems like a rather large organization to me. The Ohio Board of Regents apparently agreed.

Houndawg
May 9th, 2014, 07:39 PM
While I'm not one for schadenfreude, this is an awfully soft cushion for him to land on considering his consistently shady behavior.

lol

Hammersmith
May 9th, 2014, 08:23 PM
Every university does research.

UNI isn't a "research" university but the professors do a TON of research through grants, the university, private organizations, etc... just like the University of Iowa. Only "real" difference is Iowa does much more and has a "label".

Just as YSU, NDSU, UND, USD, SDSU, and even local D3 schools like Wartburg, Central, Coe, Mount Mercy all have professors that do research

Research expenditures in FY2012:
Iowa: $446.4 million(#42/655)
Iowa State: $261.0(#79)
NDSU: $135.5 million(#128)
SDSU: $68.7 million(#172)
UNI: $3.6 million(#432)
YSU: $3.6 million(#435)

I'm sorry, but there's a world of difference between $446.4 million and $3.6 million. UNI's entire research budget is a rounding error for Iowa's. It's more than just a label.


But I agree with those who think Tressel is a bad idea.



http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2012/html/HERD2012_DST_04.html

TribeNomad
May 10th, 2014, 07:42 AM
I really know little about YSU, but what I know about red sweater vest Tressel means his hire in this capacity tells me all I need to know.

ValleyTalk
May 10th, 2014, 08:27 AM
The move has brought extreme excitement and enthusiasm to Northeast Ohio. Tressel is well loved and respected in Youngstown and Akron. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported yesterday that Tressel withdrew his name as Akron was ready to pick their President, as he sought the YSU job. FootballScoop.com reported that Tressel was offered the Akron job, but chose the YSU job, instead, which pays more than $100,000 less.

The first step to rebuilding and restoring Youngstown State is to get the community excited and engaged. This move was not made to please you folks on message boards. This move was made because YSU badly needed a shot in the arm after Dr. Randy Dunn, an "astute academic", decided to not tell anyone he was interviewing for the Southern Illinois presidency, which he was awarded, just 7 months into his tenure at YSU.

As a result, YSU had no choice but to find someone that wanted to be in Youngstown and has the ability to raise millions and lead. On Wednesday the head of the four YSU unions endorsed Jim Tressel as President and the media articles yesterday and this morning show many faculty are in great support of this choice.

So feel free to say what you want about this pick, but he is the right man for the job in Youngstown. He is still well loved in the Buckeye State and he will raise our profile across the state, region, and nation. And I will conclude with this: YSU is not going to actively pursue the MAC. No if's, and's, or but's about it. I know many people close to Tressel and our athletic department and even the thought is not even in consideration at this time.

Welcome Home, President Tressel!

NoDak 4 Ever
May 10th, 2014, 09:21 AM
The move has brought extreme excitement and enthusiasm to Northeast Ohio. Tressel is well loved and respected in Youngstown and Akron. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported yesterday that Tressel withdrew his name as Akron was ready to pick their President, as he sought the YSU job. FootballScoop.com reported that Tressel was offered the Akron job, but chose the YSU job, instead, which pays more than $100,000 less.

The first step to rebuilding and restoring Youngstown State is to get the community excited and engaged. This move was not made to please you folks on message boards. This move was made because YSU badly needed a shot in the arm after Dr. Randy Dunn, an "astute academic", decided to not tell anyone he was interviewing for the Southern Illinois presidency, which he was awarded, just 7 months into his tenure at YSU.

As a result, YSU had no choice but to find someone that wanted to be in Youngstown and has the ability to raise millions and lead. On Wednesday the head of the four YSU unions endorsed Jim Tressel as President and the media articles yesterday and this morning show many faculty are in great support of this choice.

So feel free to say what you want about this pick, but he is the right man for the job in Youngstown. He is still well loved in the Buckeye State and he will raise our profile across the state, region, and nation. And I will conclude with this: YSU is not going to actively pursue the MAC. No if's, and's, or but's about it. I know many people close to Tressel and our athletic department and even the thought is not even in consideration at this time.

Welcome Home, President Tressel!

You may all love it there but it speaks volumes to the rest of the world about your academics.

ValleyTalk
May 10th, 2014, 09:32 AM
You may all love it there but it speaks volumes to the rest of the world about your academics.
The Provost position has a much bigger emphasis nowadays on academics my friend. That position is also going to be vacant come June 30th, so this will provide President Tressel an opportunity to hire a very qualified academic mind to this position, to ease the fears of many, such as yourself. I am of the belief that whomever is chosen should have virtually full control of all academic initiatives of YSU, with some say from the President.

However, as a graduate of Youngstown State, I can say that the academics are very strong. The firm I work for hires almost exclusively from Youngstown State University, and it is a firm that is in the top 50 nationwide in terms of revenue in its field. Many of our competitors are firms you have heard of. Also, for the cost of tuition at YSU, it is an amazing bargain. Attending Catholic High School cost more than attending Youngstown State.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 10th, 2014, 09:39 AM
The Provost position has a much bigger emphasis nowadays on academics my friend. That position is also going to be vacant come June 30th, so this will provide President Tressel an opportunity to hire a very qualified academic mind to this position, to ease the fears of many, such as yourself. I am of the belief that whomever is chosen should have virtually full control of all academic initiatives of YSU, with some say from the President.

However, as a graduate of Youngstown State, I can say that the academics are very strong. The firm I work for hires almost exclusively from Youngstown State University, and it is a firm that is in the top 50 nationwide in terms of revenue in its field. Many of our competitors are firms you have heard of. Also, for the cost of tuition at YSU, it is an amazing bargain. Attending Catholic High School cost more than attending Youngstown State.

Your president couldn't be hired as a professor in anything you offer. Maybe an adjunct in physical education.

clenz
May 10th, 2014, 10:32 AM
Your president couldn't be hired as a professor in anything you offer. Maybe an adjunct in physical education.

Those posts paint the exact picture I did earlier...

It doesn't matter what he does...He could run that school into the ground to the point of being shut down and he will still be the most loved person in Youngstown.

The god worship in him has always been during, but just went to a level I didn't know existed.



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Lehigh Football Nation
May 10th, 2014, 12:07 PM
Evidently the view of the ethics of Jim Tressel change dramatically once you get to Eastern Ohio.

There is so much wrong about the optics of the assignment its hard to summarize here. A football coach as university president would raise eyebrows in and of itself, never mind one with as checkered a past as Tressel. Even if he were clean, something I would (charitably) have a very hard time believing, how will anyone headed to Youngstown now be considering it as anything but a reflection of the football program? I'm sure Youngstown has fine graduates and provide good workers for tomorrow's economy, but how on earth does that message get out now? Everyone thinking Youngstown on a national level now will think of Tressel. In Eastern Ohio it might be seen as an asset by some, but not from where I sit.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 10th, 2014, 12:10 PM
Evidently the view of the ethics of Jim Tressel change dramatically once you get to Eastern Ohio.

There is so much wrong about the optics of the assignment its hard to summarize here. A football coach as university president would raise eyebrows in and of itself, never mind one with as checkered a past as Tressel. Even if he were clean, something I would (charitably) have a very hard time believing, how will anyone headed to Youngstown now be considering it as anything but a reflection of the football program? I'm sure Youngstown has fine graduates and provide good workers for tomorrow's economy, but how on earth does that message get out now? Everyone thinking Youngstown on a national level now will think of Tressel. In Eastern Ohio it might be seen as an asset by some, but not from where I sit.

Nor anywhere outside the Mahoning Valley.

ValleyTalk
May 10th, 2014, 12:14 PM
You are all entitled to your own opinion. However, the proof will be in the pudding. I have no doubt in mind that Jim Tressel will succeed in this position. He was a finalist at two fine Northeast Ohio institutions whose presidential searches were expedited as a result of their desire to have Jim Tressel as their President. The members of the presidential searches for Akron and YSU featured a mix of academics, business owners, former politicians, students, etc. I have the utmost faith in their judgement to pick Jim Tressel our next President.

clenz
May 10th, 2014, 12:34 PM
Yet he wouldn't make it past the accepting applications portion of the process in any other part of the world.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 10th, 2014, 12:58 PM
YSU can do as it wishes but no matter what blinders Eastern Ohio folks have on Tressel's renegade past will continue to haunt him on a national level. But now it will also haunt YSU. That's the same thing that PSU people still don't get, either.

And its the height of naïveté if one thinks the MAC isn't in play. Maybe not this year, but down the line. Why else would he have bidden his time in Akron?

citdog
May 10th, 2014, 01:36 PM
The move has brought extreme excitement and enthusiasm to Northeast Ohio. Tressel is well loved and respected in Youngstown and Akron. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported yesterday that Tressel withdrew his name as Akron was ready to pick their President, as he sought the YSU job. FootballScoop.com reported that Tressel was offered the Akron job, but chose the YSU job, instead, which pays more than $100,000 less.

The first step to rebuilding and restoring Youngstown State is to get the community excited and engaged. This move was not made to please you folks on message boards. This move was made because YSU badly needed a shot in the arm after Dr. Randy Dunn, an "astute academic", decided to not tell anyone he was interviewing for the Southern Illinois presidency, which he was awarded, just 7 months into his tenure at YSU.

As a result, YSU had no choice but to find someone that wanted to be in Youngstown and has the ability to raise millions and lead. On Wednesday the head of the four YSU unions endorsed Jim Tressel as President and the media articles yesterday and this morning show many faculty are in great support of this choice.

So feel free to say what you want about this pick, but he is the right man for the job in Youngstown. He is still well loved in the Buckeye State and he will raise our profile across the state, region, and nation. And I will conclude with this: YSU is not going to actively pursue the MAC. No if's, and's, or but's about it. I know many people close to Tressel and our athletic department and even the thought is not even in consideration at this time.

Welcome Home, President Tressel!


WOW. At least Southerners waited a bit longer to revise history........

DFW HOYA
May 10th, 2014, 01:53 PM
While it is uncommon for coaches to aspire to college presidents, it has happened. In the 1930's, former Georgetown QB and then-Maryland head football coach H.C. Byrd became the UM president. He served 19 years.

One need not be a Ph.D. to be a president, either. When Terry Sanford stepped down as governor of North Carolina, he became president at Duke in 1969, and was arguably the best president that school has probably ever had. Same with David Boren leaving the Senate to become president at Oklahoma.

The YSU search documents "strongly preferred" a terminal degree and while I don't think Tressel's honorary degree from YSU counts, the experience YSU had with an "academic" president that skipped town after seven months probably made the decision to recruit Tressel all the easier. Would this board be just as concerned had Akron hired him instead?

http://web.ysu.edu/gen/ysu_generated_bin/documents/basic_module/Tressel_James.pdf

Lehigh Football Nation
May 10th, 2014, 02:08 PM
While it is uncommon for coaches to aspire to college presidents, it has happened. In the 1930's, former Georgetown QB and then-Maryland head football coach H.C. Byrd became the UM president. He served 19 years.

One need not be a Ph.D. to be a president, either. When Terry Sanford stepped down as governor of North Carolina, he became president at Duke in 1969, and was arguably the best president that school has probably ever had. Same with David Boren leaving the Senate to become president at Oklahoma.

The experience YSU had with an "academic" president that skipped town after seven months probably made the decision to recruit Tressel all the easier. Would this board be just as concerned had Akron hired him instead?

If Akron had hired Tressel we'd be saying 85% of the same things about a willful blind eye to ethics violations, optics, qualifications, etc. The only part that wouldn't be the same is about MAC aspirations because obviously they're already there.

And you can bet that people would instantly suspect Akron's athletic department as becoming renegade.

MplsBison
May 10th, 2014, 02:18 PM
Can someone remind me what violations Tressel committed? I guess I never knew that he did anything other than get blamed for Ohio St players getting free tattoos.

Reading some posts on this thread, you'd think they just hired a guy out of prison.

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While it is uncommon for coaches to aspire to college presidents, it has happened. In the 1930's, former Georgetown QB and then-Maryland head football coach H.C. Byrd became the UM president. He served 19 years.

One need not be a Ph.D. to be a president, either. When Terry Sanford stepped down as governor of North Carolina, he became president at Duke in 1969, and was arguably the best president that school has probably ever had. Same with David Boren leaving the Senate to become president at Oklahoma.

The YSU search documents "strongly preferred" a terminal degree and while I don't think Tressel's honorary degree from YSU counts, the experience YSU had with an "academic" president that skipped town after seven months probably made the decision to recruit Tressel all the easier. Would this board be just as concerned had Akron hired him instead?

http://web.ysu.edu/gen/ysu_generated_bin/documents/basic_module/Tressel_James.pdf

Great post!

I absolutely concur that being a leader of a university does not require a PhD. The people who advice Tressel on academic matters will have plenty of those.

Lehigh'98
May 10th, 2014, 02:18 PM
Youngstown was an outcast to the MVFC well before Tressel became president. Mainly due to the geography, but also the other schools just don't like the success they had in the 90s. Regardless of how it's seen throughout the country if Tressel can get attendance up and increase funding for the school, it will be good for the school and the area. Honestly, it can't get much worse, the town has been dying a slow death since 1977 when the first steel plant closed.

MplsBison
May 10th, 2014, 02:20 PM
The move has brought extreme excitement and enthusiasm to Northeast Ohio. Tressel is well loved and respected in Youngstown and Akron. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported yesterday that Tressel withdrew his name as Akron was ready to pick their President, as he sought the YSU job. FootballScoop.com reported that Tressel was offered the Akron job, but chose the YSU job, instead, which pays more than $100,000 less.

The first step to rebuilding and restoring Youngstown State is to get the community excited and engaged. This move was not made to please you folks on message boards. This move was made because YSU badly needed a shot in the arm after Dr. Randy Dunn, an "astute academic", decided to not tell anyone he was interviewing for the Southern Illinois presidency, which he was awarded, just 7 months into his tenure at YSU.

As a result, YSU had no choice but to find someone that wanted to be in Youngstown and has the ability to raise millions and lead. On Wednesday the head of the four YSU unions endorsed Jim Tressel as President and the media articles yesterday and this morning show many faculty are in great support of this choice.

So feel free to say what you want about this pick, but he is the right man for the job in Youngstown. He is still well loved in the Buckeye State and he will raise our profile across the state, region, and nation. And I will conclude with this: YSU is not going to actively pursue the MAC. No if's, and's, or but's about it. I know many people close to Tressel and our athletic department and even the thought is not even in consideration at this time.

Welcome Home, President Tressel!

It's not up to an FCS school to pursue a FBS conference. It's the other way around, in fact.

Thus if the MAC decided for some reason that it should have 14 all-sports members instead of 12, then Delaware and Youngstown might be two schools that they send feelers out to. Of course, Tressel may know people in the MAC and rib them about getting Youngstown a seat at the table next to neighbors Akron and Kent, but that doens't mean anything will come of it.

ValleyTalk
May 10th, 2014, 02:21 PM
YSU is not looking at the MAC. End of story. State funding is dropping, so a greater emphasis on budgeting will be in order in the coming years. You guys can believe all you want, but our AD has said numerous times, we do not have the $8-10 million per year to go to the MAC.

Furthermore, Tressel was stated as saying he would look at cutting the athletics budget at Akron due to their budget mess over there. The focus with this man will not be on sports, it will be on academics.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 10th, 2014, 02:41 PM
While it is uncommon for coaches to aspire to college presidents, it has happened. In the 1930's, former Georgetown QB and then-Maryland head football coach H.C. Byrd became the UM president. He served 19 years.

One need not be a Ph.D. to be a president, either. When Terry Sanford stepped down as governor of North Carolina, he became president at Duke in 1969, and was arguably the best president that school has probably ever had. Same with David Boren leaving the Senate to become president at Oklahoma.

The YSU search documents "strongly preferred" a terminal degree and while I don't think Tressel's honorary degree from YSU counts, the experience YSU had with an "academic" president that skipped town after seven months probably made the decision to recruit Tressel all the easier. Would this board be just as concerned had Akron hired him instead?

http://web.ysu.edu/gen/ysu_generated_bin/documents/basic_module/Tressel_James.pdf

You evaded the question about Georgetown.

Go Green
May 10th, 2014, 02:49 PM
One need not be a Ph.D. to be a president, either. When Terry Sanford stepped down as governor of North Carolina, he became president at Duke in 1969, and was arguably the best president that school has probably ever had. Same with David Boren leaving the Senate to become president at Oklahoma.



And Ike at Columbia after WWII.

MplsBison
May 10th, 2014, 03:08 PM
You evaded the question about Georgetown.

I wouldn't want Georgetown's president for NDSU. He wouldn't have a clue what's in the best interest of a medium sized, public flagship, land grant/mostly agriculture research university.

Tressel knows exactly what's best for Youngstown.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 10th, 2014, 04:01 PM
I wouldn't want Georgetown's president for NDSU. He wouldn't have a clue what's in the best interest of a medium sized, public flagship, land grant/mostly agriculture research university.

Tressel knows exactly what's best for Youngstown.

The question is if bagmen is what he thinks is best for Youngstown.

clenz
May 10th, 2014, 06:29 PM
While it is uncommon for coaches to aspire to college presidents, it has happened. In the 1930's, former Georgetown QB and then-Maryland head football coach H.C. Byrd became the UM president. He served 19 years.

One need not be a Ph.D. to be a president, either. When Terry Sanford stepped down as governor of North Carolina, he became president at Duke in 1969, and was arguably the best president that school has probably ever had. Same with David Boren leaving the Senate to become president at Oklahoma.

The YSU search documents "strongly preferred" a terminal degree and while I don't think Tressel's honorary degree from YSU counts, the experience YSU had with an "academic" president that skipped town after seven months probably made the decision to recruit Tressel all the easier. Would this board be just as concerned had Akron hired him instead?

http://web.ysu.edu/gen/ysu_generated_bin/documents/basic_module/Tressel_James.pdf

I would say the exact same things.

He isn't qualified to be a professor at the school...But not he's qualified to run it?

Going from governor to university president is a whole lot more understandable/reasonable than football coach to president.

He wouldn't get passed the application/cover letter phase at any other area of the country because of those reasons. The god worship of him in NE Ohio is rather concerning...much like PSU and JoePa, the right and Reagan, the left and Obama/Kennedy.

He can do no wrong and everything is always risers, no matter the truth. It's not just YSU...It's that whole area

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MplsBison
May 10th, 2014, 06:36 PM
The question is if bagmen is what he thinks is best for Youngstown.

What's a bagmen? Is that something from a movie you watched recently?

SDFS
May 10th, 2014, 09:27 PM
What's a bagmen? Is that something from a movie you watched recently?

SEC recruiting service.. boosters who pay the players.

RichH2
May 10th, 2014, 10:56 PM
A bagman historically refers to the guy carrying the money,usually a bribe. Common in politics and SEC football😄

Go...gate
May 10th, 2014, 11:21 PM
The way YSU worships him is on only matched by the way JoePa can do no wrong to PSU fans.

No matter how ****ed up their actions were they will always be treated like a god

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I could not agree more.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 11th, 2014, 09:29 AM
From today's Vindicator:

http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/may/11/ysu-ua-tale-of-two-institutions/



Jim Tressel, who was drummed out of coaching college football by the NCAA, was the finalist for president at Youngstown State University and the University of Akron.
Akron’s board of trustees concluded Tressel didn’t have the credentials to lead a four-year institution of higher learning with an academic vision.
By contrast, trustees at Youngstown State were so blinded by the national championship rings Tressel won as football coach at YSU and Ohio State that they didn’t even bother to fake a reason for naming him president.

The comments are priceless.

clenz
May 11th, 2014, 09:41 AM
That article is awesome..

Dr. Steve Weeks, president of the Akron Chapter of the American Association of University Professors and a biology professor, offered the following observation after Dr. Scarborough’s appointment was announced:

“It’s nice to see that we’re all on the same page. It’s always nice to have the president come in with solid support. … To be honest, we were hearing lots of rumors that it was going to be Tressel. That was the only candidate that we deemed to be unacceptable. He just didn’t have the background at the moment.”

Jim Tressel will soon be the face of Youngstown State University. What will people around the country, especially journalists, see?

If it’s up to his supporters, they’ll see a man who walks on water. (Wasn’t the last one who did that crucified?)


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clenz
May 11th, 2014, 09:44 AM
Also the comments are exactly what I thought they would be.

Thank you YSU for never letting the nation down when it comes to conforming stereotypes and proving you are exactly who everyone thought you were

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NoDak 4 Ever
May 11th, 2014, 10:12 AM
When he attends commencement will he wear a fake doctoral gown? They really should give him an honorary degree so it looks legitimate.

MplsBison
May 11th, 2014, 11:20 AM
From today's Vindicator:

http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/may/11/ysu-ua-tale-of-two-institutions/



The comments are priceless.

Why does the article falsely make it sound like Akron decided not to offer Tressel the president position? It's simply not true. He withdrew his name from the finalists under consideration once he was offered the president position at Youngstown.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 11th, 2014, 11:49 AM
Why does the article falsely make it sound like Akron decided not to offer Tressel the president position? It's simply not true. He withdrew his name from the finalists under consideration once he was offered the president position at Youngstown.

We don't know what's false. The only report coming is from the Tressel people, who are of questionable reliability.

clenz
May 11th, 2014, 12:36 PM
We don't know what's false. The only report coming is from the Tressel people, who are of questionable reliability.

It's likely he withdrew his name after hearing the offer likely want coming. That happens a lot...

It's similar to the resign or be fired deal...one sound better than the other

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NoDak 4 Ever
May 11th, 2014, 12:44 PM
It's likely he withdrew his name after hearing the offer likely want coming. That happens a lot...

It's similar to the resign or be fired deal...one sound better than the other

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Either way, he's the only one talking about it. Why should we believe it?

MplsBison
May 11th, 2014, 01:21 PM
We don't know what's false. The only report coming is from the Tressel people, who are of questionable reliability.

I'm not aware of any reports, nor that Tressel has people. I'd like to read the reports.

However, I did read the link to the Bertram de Souza article that you linked (thanks, by the way). The following words are Bertram's (false) opinion: "Akron’s board of trustees concluded Tressel didn’t have the credentials to lead a four-year institution of higher learning with an academic vision."

The only quotes he provided in his article were from:

- Chairman of the YSU Board of Trustees (saying that Tressel is the right man at the right time)
- Chairman of the Akron Board of Trustees (saying the guy they hired shares their vision)
- President of the Akron professors union (saying rumors were that Tressel was going to be hired at Akron)
- Statement from the Youngstown professors union (saying the union presidents endorse Tressel for YSU President)


So basically Bertram is lying in his above words. But that's allowed because the article was clearly meant just to rile people up and has no actual credibility.


The article does seem to confirm one thing that I assumed was true: Tressel didn't really do anything worth giving a hoot about. Certainly not worth the vitriol displayed from a couple of posters on this thread.

Yotes
May 11th, 2014, 02:06 PM
Youngstown State is dying, and they are making a pretty desperate move here. Having an idol like Tressel might get some kids interested in throwing their tuition dollars at Youngstown, but I can't see any of the staff being pleased by this.

Imagine getting a new boss at work. This individual is less educated than you are, less qualified than you are, has no experience in this field of work, has a very shady history, and was considered for the job solely because of who they know. How long until you start looking for somewhere new to work?

Tressel's hiring should be a slap to the face of anyone holding a degree from or working for Youngstown State. However, they are all so disillusioned they don't realize how negatively this will impact Youngstown State.

Whatever, he'll probably leave the second he's able to get back into coaching, and Youngstown might find themselves in an even worse position than before.

Lehigh'98
May 11th, 2014, 02:23 PM
I'm not aware of any reports, nor that Tressel has people. I'd like to read the reports.

However, I did read the link to the Bertram de Souza article that you linked (thanks, by the way). The following words are Bertram's (false) opinion: "Akron’s board of trustees concluded Tressel didn’t have the credentials to lead a four-year institution of higher learning with an academic vision."

The only quotes he provided in his article were from:

- Chairman of the YSU Board of Trustees (saying that Tressel is the right man at the right time)
- Chairman of the Akron Board of Trustees (saying the guy they hired shares their vision)
- President of the Akron professors union (saying rumors were that Tressel was going to be hired at Akron)
- Statement from the Youngstown professors union (saying the union presidents endorse Tressel for YSU President)


So basically Bertram is lying in his above words. But that's allowed because the article was clearly meant just to rile people up and has no actual credibility.


The article does seem to confirm one thing that I assumed was true: Tressel didn't really do anything worth giving a hoot about. Certainly not worth the vitriol displayed from a couple of posters on this thread.

You are correct. The stuff he got in trouble for goes on everywhere. Bottom line, he was a winning coach. His situation cannot be compared to Penn St. As some here are trying to do. If he did anything close to that, Youngstown wouldn't tolerate it.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 11th, 2014, 02:25 PM
You are correct. The stuff he got in trouble for goes on everywhere. Bottom line, he was a winning coach. His situation cannot be compared to Penn St. As some here are trying to do. If he did anything close to that, Youngstown wouldn't tolerate it.

He allowed a player to be paid by a booster. Tell SMU how well that goes over in the NCAA.

MplsBison
May 11th, 2014, 02:32 PM
Youngstown State is dying, and they are making a pretty desperate move here. Having an idol like Tressel might get some kids interested in throwing their tuition dollars at Youngstown, but I can't see any of the staff being pleased by this.

Imagine getting a new boss at work. This individual is less educated than you are, less qualified than you are, has no experience in this field of work, has a very shady history, and was considered for the job solely because of who they know. How long until you start looking for somewhere new to work?

Tressel's hiring should be a slap to the face of anyone holding a degree from or working for Youngstown State. However, they are all so disillusioned they don't realize how negatively this will impact Youngstown State.

Whatever, he'll probably leave the second he's able to get back into coaching, and Youngstown might find themselves in an even worse position than before.

No offense to any executives out there reading this, but I pretty much guarantee you that any engineer being employed today has felt this way when a new executive (C-suite) is hired externally. These people know nothing about engineering, but they're hired because of who they know and the fact that they were executives somewhere else. It's a fraternity.

And I think it's somewhat silly that everyone here is making Tressel out to be some mafia capo.

Lehigh'98
May 11th, 2014, 03:24 PM
He allowed a player to be paid by a booster. Tell SMU how well that goes over in the NCAA.

Didn't something similar happen at USC under Pete Carroll's watch?College football is a business, to
pretend its a squeaky clean game played by student athlete saints is wishful thinking at best. Tressel has done wrong, but he's not the demon people make him out to be. Those that don't like YSU and OSU make it way worse than what it was.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 11th, 2014, 03:29 PM
Didn't something similar happen at USC under Pete Carroll's watch?College football is a business, to
pretend its a squeaky clean game played by student athlete saints is wishful thinking at best. Tressel has done wrong, but he's not the demon people make him out to be. Those that don't like YSU and OSU make it way worse than what it was.

He had 14 wins taken away and would likely have had the same penalty had he not jumped to the NFL.

USC being a serious institution would not have named him its president either.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 11th, 2014, 05:40 PM
No offense to any executives out there reading this, but I pretty much guarantee you that any engineer being employed today has felt this way when a new executive (C-suite) is hired externally. These people know nothing about engineering, but they're hired because of who they know and the fact that they were executives somewhere else. It's a fraternity.

And I think it's somewhat silly that everyone here is making Tressel out to be some mafia capo.

See: DeBartolo, Eddie.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 11th, 2014, 05:46 PM
Didn't something similar happen at USC under Pete Carroll's watch?College football is a business, to
pretend its a squeaky clean game played by student athlete saints is wishful thinking at best. Tressel has done wrong, but he's not the demon people make him out to be. Those that don't like YSU and OSU make it way worse than what it was.

I don't recall if Carroll actually introduced Reggie Bush's family to the bagman that provided his family with the house, but that's what Monus testified in federal court that Tressel did.

Its not as of there was a 'lack of institutional control' - Tressel was in control the whole time.

MplsBison
May 11th, 2014, 06:14 PM
I'm still waiting for you to say something that makes it obvious why Tressel is a bad human being who is incapable of being the President of YSU.

By the way, you do realize that the POTUS does not have a PhD in every subject, right? He has advisers who break complex scenarios and situations into layman's terms so that the president can process the options and pull the lever. That's the point.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 11th, 2014, 06:23 PM
I'm still waiting for you to say something that makes it obvious why Tressel is a bad human being who is incapable of being the President of YSU.

By the way, you do realize that the POTUS does not have a PhD in every subject, right? He has advisers who break complex scenarios and situations into layman's terms so that the president can process the options and pull the lever. That's the point.

The only thing anybody is arguing is that as an academic institution, YSU has now punted, pun absolutely intended.

UNH Fanboi
May 11th, 2014, 06:49 PM
What a joke. This just shows that higher education is all about bringing in $$$ to pay administrators' inflated salaries.

Pant8her
May 11th, 2014, 06:56 PM
I'm still waiting for you to say something that makes it obvious why Tressel is a bad human being who is incapable of being the President of YSU.

By the way, you do realize that the POTUS does not have a PhD in every subject, right? He has advisers who break complex scenarios and situations into layman's terms so that the president can process the options and pull the lever. That's the point.

I don't think anyone on here is saying that Tressel is a bad man, but he has circumvented the process and got his hand caught in the cookie jar a couple of times. Although I would question the man's integrity when it comes to issues that he holds close to his heart, which I would guess is Football and success.

As far as the second part of the post concerning the POTUS, if I were you I would stay off that topic. Just because there are intelligent people advising the POTUS only means that they probably have the same perspective as he does. Additionally as one that is in the community, I place NO political analysis on my job. My job is to defend the constitution of the United States of America, and I uphold that oath regardless of which administration occupies the top office of this great country!

Yotes
May 11th, 2014, 08:53 PM
I'm still waiting for you to say something that makes it obvious why Tressel is a bad human being who is incapable of being the President of YSU.

By the way, you do realize that the POTUS does not have a PhD in every subject, right? He has advisers who break complex scenarios and situations into layman's terms so that the president can process the options and pull the lever. That's the point.
There are plenty of reasons why Tressel is not qualified to be president of YSU. Can you provide any reasons why he is qualified? The lack of ANY relevant experience is pretty damning.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 11th, 2014, 10:04 PM
No, really, how much more unethical than 'break a core rule of amateurism by getting a player in touch with a booster to give a kid a car, maneuver youself to be joint football head coach and AD, and then lie to your president and NCAA about the violation ' can you get?

IMO its several steps beyond getting g the hand caught in the cookie jar.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 12th, 2014, 09:17 AM
Here's a taste of what, um, the national media thinks:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140509/jim-tressel-youngstown-state-president/index.html


Youngstown State just hired Jim Tressel as president, and some would argue that Tressel is the wrong man for the job. Me, I think he's perfect. He excels at saying one thing while he does another, pretending he cares only about education, and insulating himself with acolytes who believe, despite ample evidence, in his purity. That describes a lot of university presidents in 2014.


Now Tressel can talk about "helping young people" (one of his favorite phrases), and he can unite a community (something he does frighteningly well), and maybe nobody will notice how absurd this is. I mean, the man is so ethically sketchy that he would have to beg the NCAA for permission to coach a team, but running a university is just fine.


Who else would even try this? Most disgraced coaches would either go into TV (like Bruce Pearl) or try to find another coaching job (like ... well, also like Pearl). But Tressel is different from most coaches. He wants to be seen as a mentor with bigger priorities than winning football games. This would be admirable if his actions backed it up.


Now Tressel can watch Youngstown State games in the DeBartolo Stadium Club, named for the DeBartolo family, who have been big Youngstown State boosters for a long time. Eddie Debartolo Jr. (convicted of bribing former Louisiana governor Edwin Edwards) later started a sports agency which landed prominent Ohio State players Troy Smith and Beanie Wells, but of course Tressel knows everything was done above-board, because he monitors these things, except when he doesn't.

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 11:48 AM
The only thing anybody is arguing is that as an academic institution, YSU has now punted, pun absolutely intended.

Would we be having discussion on here if they hired some guy who was a VP at Akron, had not been a president of a university and did not have a PhD - but had never coached football or had any association with the NCAA in his life?

No, I think we would not.

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 11:50 AM
There are plenty of reasons why Tressel is not qualified to be president of YSU. Can you provide any reasons why he is qualified? The lack of ANY relevant experience is pretty damning.

He has experience as a VP at Akron. That's an executive level position at a nearly identical university.

Are you saying that university presidents should only be filled by people who have been university presidents previously? You do realize that would mean eventually no one could be hired as a university president?

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 11:52 AM
No, really, how much more unethical than 'break a core rule of amateurism by getting a player in touch with a booster to give a kid a car, maneuver youself to be joint football head coach and AD, and then lie to your president and NCAA about the violation ' can you get?

IMO its several steps beyond getting g the hand caught in the cookie jar.

And in the realm of being a university president, it has the relevance roughly equivalent to other unquestionably unethical actions such as: jaywalking, taking an extra plastic fork at the cafeteria, not putting the toilet seat down after using the bathroom, etc.

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 11:57 AM
Here's a taste of what, um, the national media thinks:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140509/jim-tressel-youngstown-state-president/index.html

An opinion piece. Nothing quoted, nothing of substance.

There are simply a few members of the media who feel it is their job to smear Tressel. Probably because they know it will generate attention for themselves, via riling people up. After all, as a journalist any attention is good attention.


So like a DIII referee who wants to ref in the NBA one day, you feel it must then be your duty to copy your professional idols, eh LFN?

NoDak 4 Ever
May 12th, 2014, 11:58 AM
Would we be having discussion on here if they hired some guy who was a provost at Akron, had not been a president of a university and did not have a PhD - but had never coached football or had any association with the NCAA in his life?

No, I think we would not.

He was VP of Student Success and later VP for Strategic Engagement. He was never Provost. That is a specific academic position. Tressel's titles were essentially made up to get him into a fundraising capacity.

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 12:08 PM
He was VP of Student Success and later VP for Strategic Engagement. He was never Provost. That is a specific academic position. Tressel's titles were essentially made up to get him into a fundraising capacity.

Sorry, VP not provost. Thank you for the correction.

If what you say were true, then the Strategic Engagement position would have been dissolved when Tressel was promoted to the VP of SS. But it's filled now by someone else: https://www.uakron.edu/im/online-newsroom/university-leaders/vice-presidents.dot (renamed Strategic Partnerships). Likewise, someone else will fill the role of VP of SS at Akron now that Tressel is leaving.


So now that said .... would we be having this discussion if the situation were exactly the same, except instead of Tressel it was just some other guy who had nothing to do with football? No, we wouldn't. I'm guessing you know that, since you did not answer the question.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 12th, 2014, 12:09 PM
Picturing Tressel as Provost makes me laugh.

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 12:13 PM
Picturing Tressel as Provost makes me laugh.

When you calm down, do let us know if you're going to be adding anything of substance to the thread. That is what an actual journalist would do.

NoDak 4 Ever
May 12th, 2014, 12:15 PM
Sorry, VP not provost. Thank you for the correction.

If what you say were true, then the Strategic Engagement position would have been dissolved when Tressel was promoted to the VP of SS. But it's filled now by someone else: https://www.uakron.edu/im/online-newsroom/university-leaders/vice-presidents.dot (renamed Strategic Partnerships). Likewise, someone else will fill the role of VP of SS at Akron now that Tressel is leaving.


So now that said .... would we be having this discussion if the situation were exactly the same, except instead of Tressel it was just some other guy who had nothing to do with football? No, we wouldn't. I'm guessing you know that, since you did not answer the question.

If a non-academic fundraiser with inadequate qualifications were named the president of anything other than a community college, I would question their seriousness as an institution.

You have no idea of what you are talking, period.

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 12:18 PM
If a non-academic fundraiser with inadequate qualifications were named the president of anything other than a community college, I would question their seriousness as an institution.

You have no idea of what you are talking, period.

You wouldn't be the only one who would question it. And that's perfectly acceptable. I even think it's acceptable for you to question it in this case.

I don't think it's acceptable to pretend that Youngstown just hired a felon hedge fund manager, straight out of prison - and demonize the guy just because you don't like Ohio St football. It's silly. Especially because there wouldn't be a thread in the football forum if it was someone else. Maybe in the AGS Lounge, which is where this thread should be moved.

clenz
May 12th, 2014, 12:25 PM
Would we be having discussion on here if they hired some guy who was a VP at Akron, had not been a president of a university and did not have a PhD - but had never coached football or had any association with the NCAA in his life?

No, I think we would not.Would we be having the discussion? No, because Tressell is the motor behind this discussion vehicle.

Would my thoughts on a non-PhD being a president be the same?

You bet.

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 12:34 PM
Would we be having the discussion? No, because Tressell is the motor behind this discussion vehicle.

Would my thoughts on a non-PhD being a president be the same?

You bet.

That's fine, but why haven't you stuck to that aspect?

Why go out of your way to smear Tressel for things he did in the past that have no relevance to the matter at hand?

Yotes
May 12th, 2014, 12:42 PM
That's fine, but why haven't you stuck to that aspect?

Why go out of your way to smear Tressel for things he did in the past that have no relevance to the matter at hand?
I don't think a history of unethical behavior so gross that he was banned from the NCAA is irrelevant when evaluating the character of an individual.

Lack of integrity aside, he is in no way qualified to be president. I'm sure he'd make a good AD, but that isn't even in the same universe as being a university president.

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 12:49 PM
And I say that what he did in the past truly was minor - the NCAA was looking to make an example out of someone big, so they could make it seem like they're an important authority figure. They did this in the Penn St case too.

I say the YSU admin know best and are making the best decision for themselves.


I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Lehigh Football Nation
May 12th, 2014, 01:17 PM
And I say that what he did in the past truly was minor...

This is the guy trying to critique my journalism skills.

http://www.college-sports-journal.com

MplsBison
May 12th, 2014, 02:21 PM
This is the guy trying to critique my journalism skills.

Doesn't take a journalist to employ an ad hominem, I guess!

Lehigh Football Nation
May 14th, 2014, 04:00 PM
Overall an interesting piece with some quotes from Jim McNally and E. Gordon Gee:

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2014/05/35752/jim-tressel-remains-polarizing-youngstown-state-president


Count Mayor John McNally among Tressel’s supporters. He said Friday’s announcement was met with mostly positive reaction, a welcoming home to long-lost family members. Tressel, his wife, Ellen, a Youngstown State grad, and four grown children, have deep roots in the community.

Calling it a positive day, McNally said Tressel’s learning curve within the area will be non-existent due to his familiarity with Youngstown. The two leaders spoke while the university vetted its three finalists – Tressel also was a finalist at Akron – and McNally came away impressed. They had matching agendas for the city and the university.

“I would say the major challenge Jim will have will be establishing himself as a credible leader in an academic situation,” Gee said.

And about Mr. McNally's vision for Youngstown? Oops!

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/northeast-ohio/2014/05/14/dewine--youngstown-mayor-county-auditor-indicted/9086885/


Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine and Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Tim McGinty have announced that indictments have come down against Youngstown Mayor John A. McNally IV, Youngstown attorney Martin Yavorcik and Mahoning County Auditor Michael V. Sciortino.


The indictments are on criminal corruption charges. They include racketeering, money laundering, bribery, perjury, tampering with records, telecommunications fraud and theft in office.


You really can't make this stuff up.

YSU FAN#34
May 15th, 2014, 10:57 AM
...in other news...Mickey Monus committed more fraud today by paying NDSU football players to collect names for a petition. Fortunately none of these players used their hard earned, albeit tainted, money to get tattoos however they did get to ride in a stretch limo owned by Ray Isaac. Also in other news around the nation that i dont really understand why the rest of us would really care about...well except trolls, of course. Lehigh University has been seen collaborating with Jim Tressel on the fine points of not telling the whole story. Apparently Lehigh University officials have been covering up some racial issues on campus. Meanwhile, their president has left to seek employment in London. You can't get any further from the problem than London, now can you? Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.