Appalachian at Georgia Southern

[mountain man]

Televised game between App and Ga Southern. Time to break the streak. It has been 10 years and 2 days (and 3 National Championships :hurray: :hurray: :hurray: ) since the Mountaineers won in Statesboro. Time to break the streak.

[Gil Dobie]

Televised game between App and Ga Southern. Time to break the streak. It has been 10 years and 2 days (and 3 National Championships :hurray: :hurray: :hurray: ) since the Mountaineers won in Statesboro. Time to break the streak.

I'll be watching this score, after seeing what the Bison did at GSU.

[PantherRob82]

Wish I could follow this one. Will be on the road and my stupid cell phone is on roam. I'll be checking the score from TELL ME on pay phones when we stop. :hurray:

[rb45070]

I hate that I am stuck at work for this with no television in sight. I am gonna rely on FoxSportsNet Mobile and hope they update somewhat often. Any takers on keeping me updated through text? Just let me know within the next few mins, Im leaving in about 10. I know that this is gonna be a dog-fight and I hope that ASU can pull it out so I can see the conference championship most likely decided next weekend in Boone. Best of luck fellas.

[No_Skill]

Go GSU! :hurray:

[GtFllsGriz]

Man I was so jacked when I found this game on my dish. I got settled in to begin my 12 hour day of football with this great game only to find out that it wasn't carried in our area. BUMMMER!!

Good luck to both teams, it should be a great game!

[ISUMatt]

DAMN SS ch 631, They wont give it to me!!!

[elkmcc]

I'll be watching this score, after seeing what the Bison did at GSU.

NDSU fans shouldn't get too excited if by some chance GSU wins this one. This is a conference rivalry game and these games are a different creature than interconferece games. Ya throw out the record books for these great games. I wish I could watch it myself. Go GSU!

[thirdgendin]

0-0 after the first quarter.

ASU fumbled on the last play of the quarter, and GSU starts the second with the ball at the ASU 42 yard line.

[bustingnut]

ASU DEFENSE!~ kept them out

[bustingnut]

crap, another turnover

[thirdgendin]

GSU doesn't score but picks off Armanti Edwards on the next possession. Back-to-back turnovers for the freshman QB. ASU announcers say he's either lost his confidence or is feeling the effects of a big hit from earlier.

[bustingnut]

beginning to look like last years championship game

[thirdgendin]

Touchdown pass for the Eagles.

ASU 0
GSU 7
10:19 2Q

[Mr. C]

Really bad pass interference call against GSU. SoCon refs strike again

[thirdgendin]

30-yard field goal for Appalachian.

ASU 3
GSU 7
5:02 2Q

[thirdgendin]

ASU squanders great field position and will punt with less than 1 minute remaining.

[ISUMatt]

I really wish DirecTV would give me SportsSouth

[thirdgendin]

GSU takes a knee and a 7-3 lead into halftime.

[walliver]

ASU has now gone 5 consecutive quarters without a touchdown.

[Black and Gold Express]

This is not the day we needed Armanti to be playing like a freshman. We could afford it last week against Wofford, we can't afford it this week, or next either.

[walliver]

Unfortunately, I have to take my daughter to a "fall festival" and will miss the second half. I wish there was some way to TiVo real life.:)

[ISUMatt]

you need a laptop and a slingbox!

[elkmcc]

One must give credit to GSU. No doubt ASU is a great team and a struggling GSU gives the fans a show. I hate to see a loser in this one but it sure would give the Eagles a confident boost if they were to win today. Great first half Eagles!

[JoshUCA]

is this game viewable on the internet anywhere? Thanks

[HiHiYikas]

Only radio, so far as I know - http://goasu.com/media/live/?fSession=c156688a3269322b7e2758449c86e55bc3dffad2

Nice stop by GaSo there - sheesh. Good ball movement for about 84 yards by the Apps, though. Could use some more of that.

[B&G]

Nice TD Run by Armanti!

[thirdgendin]

Armanti Edwards is very good: 132 yards and a TD on the ground already.

[HiHiYikas]

Armanti in for 6 - 10-7 Apps, PAT coming...

This has been a fantastic game so far. Particularly fantastic now with ASU ahead.

[B&G]

App got stopped at the 1 on 4th down but GSU did nothing with it and punted. App gains 30-something yards mostly on Edwards runs. The drive was capped off by Armanti taking a hit at the 1 yard line but delivering enough of a blow to knock the defender's helmet off and dive into the end zone.

[B&G]

Bad drop by Lewis for GSU on 3rd and 7 as he tried to turn upfield before securing the ball. He had a lot of room and blocking in front of him. GSU settles for a FG.

[thirdgendin]

GSU blazes back down the field but is forced to settle for a short field goal.

ASU 10
GSU 10
5:41 3Q

[B&G]

The run was working so well on that drive but BVG seems dead set on making the pass work. Foster was a big contributor that drive and if I were coaching I'd be looking for any opportunity to get him the ball.

[B&G]

Dreadful series for App as Armanti looks to have tweaked a knee on a bad slide. He stays in and gets blindsided on a sack. He fumbles but App falls on it.

[B&G]

GSU is grinding out tough yards on the ground as the 3rd Qtr ends with Southern around midfield looking to break the 10-10 tie.

[B&G]

I believe there have been 3 holding penalties against GSU WR's this drive.

[B&G]

The last holding penalty kills the drive and GaSo has to punt. Dexter Jackson w/ a questionable fair catch at the 5 yard line.

[B&G]

A Kevin Richardson fumble is returned for a TD by GSU... 17-10 Eagles.

[B&G]

The fumble bounced right to Ronnie Wiggins. ASU is killing themselves with turnovers. (I guess I should say that GSU has something to do w/ it)

[Mountaineer]

No way, after the past two weeks, this team deserves to be #1.

:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

[Mr. C]

Mayfield broke 3 tackles on a short pass play to go for 65 yard TD pass and run. 17-17 11:08 4th

[youwouldno]

I have to admit, I kinda want App to win for selfish reasons.

[SeattleGriz]

No smack, but is GSU really that undisciplined? I have been listening on and off since the start of the game, and all I keep hearing is. "GSU penalty".

[B&G]

Wow, that lead didn't last long as Edwards hooks up with William Mayfield who breaks three tackles and goes the distance for a long TD pass. 17-17.

[HiHiYikas]

Mayfield in for a TD. ASU 20, GaSo's offense, 3. Too bad that's not how scoring works.

[HiHiYikas]

47% of scoring strikes for ASU this season have taken less than 2 minutes, say the folks on App Sports Network.

[B&G]

47% of scoring strikes for ASU this season have taken less than 2 minutes, say the folks on App Sports Network.

Nice stat. App gets the ball back from GaSo quickly and Big Mo' is really on their side.

[Mountaineer]

Good god..another Richardson fumble after an amazing catch and run. :(

[B&G]

Moore fumbles the handoff for ASU and Wiggins recovers again around midfield. So much for momentum.

[SeattleGriz]

So let me get this straight, currently it is Armanti and Richardson vs GSU. I don't think I have heard anyone elses name mentioned.

[thirdgendin]

1:50 to play, and ASU is punting back to GSU. Still tied.

[thirdgendin]

So let me get this straight, currently it is Armanti and Richardson vs GSU. I don't think I have heard anyone elses name mentioned.

More Armanti, less Richardson. Here are the game stats: http://livestats.enia.net/football/

[thirdgendin]

GSU takes over with good field position, at its own 43-yard line with 1:41 to play.

[unknown-swac]

GSU is doing a crappy job of managing the clock and play calls on this last drive. I'm watching on Fox Sports.

[thirdgendin]

1st down Eagles, near the ASU 40.

[thirdgendin]

TO GSU with :36 remaining. 3rd and long at the ASU 43.

[thirdgendin]

Incomplete pass

[B&G]

Barring a disaster for one of the teams this will probably go to overtime.

[thirdgendin]

It's looking that way.

[B&G]

Who does OT favor? The home team with the awful kicker? Or the away team with 4 turnovers?

[thirdgendin]

Who does OT favor? The home team with the awful kicker? Or the away team with 4 turnovers?

I would give the edge to ASU here based on its explosive ability on offense and solid D.

[thirdgendin]

GSU on offense first.

2 plays and a first down.

2nd down for GSU at the 13.

[FlyYtown]

Looks like we may see yet another upset....Wow.

[thirdgendin]

GSU moves to the 10. 3rd and 6

[thirdgendin]

Pass broken up in the end zone. Field goal attempt upcoming...

[thirdgendin]

27-yard attempt is good.

ASU 17
GSU 20

ASU has a chance to answer now.

[majorbta]

field goal good

[FlyYtown]

Well looks like ASU has a good chance to win now.. Congrats!

[thirdgendin]

ASU runs for 7 on first down.

[thirdgendin]

Incomplete pass to the end zone. 3rd and 3 upcoming.

[thirdgendin]

First down Armanti Edwards, down to the 8 yard line.

[thirdgendin]

Edwards moves up to the 6....2nd and goal now.

[Tealblood]

is it 1st and goal at the 8

[Tealblood]

never mind

[thirdgendin]

Richardson is knocked out of bounds at the 5 yard line. 3rd and goal.

ASU announcers say Edwards has been slowed lately b/c of an injury.

TO Eagles.

[DuckDuckGriz]

Wow talk about another SoCon classic.

[thirdgendin]

Incomplete pass in the end zone. 4th down coming.

[thirdgendin]

Rauch coming on to attempt a 22-yard field goal.

The kick is good.

Double OT.

[FlyYtown]

WOW!

[UNHWildCats]

has the #1 curse arrived this year finally? who wants it next week??

[DuckDuckGriz]

has the #1 curse arrived this year finally? who wants it next week??

That's why I am cheering for ASU :smiley_wi

Griz at #2

[thirdgendin]

1st down Mountaineers to the 11 yard line.

[B&G]

TD Richardson.

[thirdgendin]

Richardson runs down to the 4. 2nd and 3, ASU

[bodoyle]

has the #1 curse arrived this year finally? who wants it next week??

We'll take it xlolx

[thirdgendin]

Yep, Mountaineers take a quick lead in the 2nd OT.

27-20 ASU

[UNHWildCats]

We'll take it xlolx

you cant have it lol :nod:

[DuckDuckGriz]

Come on D!

(In normal situations I would cheer for the Eags, but I don't want the Griz to take the top spot)

[B&G]

GSU down to a 4th and 9....

[thirdgendin]

Foster gets 1 yard on a first down reverse.

Incomplete pass at the 2.

3rd and 9 for GSU.

[B&G]

Incomplete. Ballgame. Tough tough win.

[DuckDuckGriz]

Good win Apps. A tough loss for GSU -- but did they really do better than anyone expected? I was almost sure this would turn out like the Furman game last year.

[thirdgendin]

ASU wins. Great win guys!

[thirdgendin]

Good win Apps. A tough loss for GSU -- but did they really do better than anyone expected? I was almost sure this would turn out like the Furman game last year.

The GSU/Furman game or the ASU/Furman game?

[HiHiYikas]

GaSo keeps the 0-fer when playing as an unranked team against App State at Paulson intact. ASU is now 11-10-1 against the Eagles.

Nice win, Mountaineers.

[DuckDuckGriz]

The GSU/Furman game or the ASU/Furman game?

GSU/Furman (the upset)

[Tealblood]

sounds like a hell of a ball game

[AppGuy04]

It wasn't pretty, but I'll take it

[KiddBrewer]

it was a good game, but ugly as sin at points.....but arent all games that have georgia southern, app, and/or furman in them good games lately?

[youwouldno]

This is good for the Paladins. Win or lose next week, it's better to have App on top in the polls. If Furman finished 8-3 there is a chance we get woffed, a loss to #1 is not as bad as a loss to #8 or what have you. And of course, a Furman win would make for a bigger jump in the polls now that App held on.

All that said, neither Furman nor App St are really playing that well right now. App is the favorite, as always in Boone, but by the laws of nature the game has to be decided by 3 points or less... so anything can happen.

[SoCon48]

It wasn't pretty, but I'll take it

Amazing that we persevered for the win with so many fumbles.
GSU looked fairly solid. Looks like they're improving each week.

[Mountaineer]

The game was frightning. Definitely a lucky day for the Apps. Thanks for letting us have that one GSU. :thumbsup:

I would imagine, after seeing tape from the past couple of weeks, that Furman will roll into Boone feeling pretty good. :bawling:

[thirdgendin]

The game was frightning. Definitely a lucky day for the Apps. Thanks for letting us have that one GSU. :thumbsup:

I would imagine, after seeing tape from the past couple of weeks, that Furman will roll into Boone feeling pretty good. :bawling:

Not after watching our own tapes! :bang:

[SoCon48]

Not after watching our own tapes! :bang:

If we fumble as much next Sat as today, Furman will roll. If not, it should be the usual both teams nads to the walls.

[BigApp]

I asked a co-worker who is an Alabama alum if he could stand playing Georgia, Tennessee and Auburn all within a span of 15 days. He said "No way! That would kill us."

That is what we have been facing for the last 10+ years with SoCon scheduling. Wofford. GaSouthern. Furman. All within 15 days.

I'm certainly happy this is the last year of this rotation.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Just got back from the game...

My :twocents: ...

Edwards was amazing. he has an okay arm and he is not only quick, he breaks tackles. Jerry Moore might want to make Elder the QB and make Edwards the runningback.

App State did a good job of penetrating the O-line. Best D-line and defense we played all year.

Those two pass interference calls that ASU got were completely bogus. Sorry to have to bring that up. I think the people that saw it will agree.

Overall, I guess I can't be disappointed. Looking forward to App versus Furman next week.

[AppGuy04]

Just got back from the game...

My :twocents: ...

Edwards was amazing. he has an okay arm and he is not only quick, he breaks tackles. Jerry Moore might want to make Elder the QB and make Edwards the runningback.

App State did a good job of penetrating the O-line. Best D-line and defense we played all year.

Those two pass interference calls that ASU got were completely bogus. Sorry to have to bring that up. I think the people that saw it will agree.

Overall, I guess I can't be disappointed. Looking forward to App versus Furman next week.

Pretty good analysis

Armanti is fine on short passes, but the only long plays are when the receiver makes some moves.

The Pass Interference calls were definitely questionable, there was contact, but not much, and definitely not enough to affect anything

Also, I wasn't that impressed with Covington, I think Lewis is the better back IMO

[Saint3333]

Once VanGorder gets his guys in his defensive systems GSU will be very strong.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

No way, after the past two weeks, this team deserves to be #1.

:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Offensive shennanigans on both teams. For us, it's dropped passes and off target throws by the QB. For you guys, it was the turnovers.

Your problems are more fixable than ours, short term.

[AppGuy04]

If McCutchen had caught that pass in OT this game would have gone the other way. Not sure who was in the wrong there, the WR goes for the endzone, the QB goes for the sideline

[MarkCCU]

GOOD JOB APPSTATE!

[Kill'em]

Here is what I saw:
Georgia Southern
Both offensive and defensive lines dominated. We should have run the ball more. Clark threw poorly today. He also threw to too many covered receivers and missed open ones. Defense scored as many TD's as the offense. They made big hits and forced most of the turnovers. They spent a lot of the day in the backfield and in Edwards' head. Did a great job shutting down Richardson. They gave up some big plays but played really well. They got really tired in the 4th quarter because we didn't move the ball. Too many stupid penalties! PISS-POOR COACHING! :mad:

App St
Moved the ball well. Edwards did a great job of making plays. He is not a great passer but made the throws when needed. Many of his fumbles came because of hits he took. I think he got a little rattled not to mention woozy from some shots he took. Credit him for hanging in. Tough kid! Defense made the plays when they needed. As they say, a great team finds a way to win and App St is a great team!

Overall
The referees suck badly, but that didn't cost us the game. We were in control but weren't able to hang on. This is the biggest reason we lost, or App St won- we were out-coached. This is the worst-coached Georgia Southern team I can remember in a long time. The kids played their guts out, on both sides. It looked like a heavyweight fight. Our coaches were too conservative. Once again, too many screen passes, never stretching the field. App St had 8 in the box all game and we stayed conservative. The triple option was scrapped for this? The offensive coordinator is an idiot and needs to go.

Congratulations on a tough win App St! This is why you are #1. You found a way to win. Best wishes the rest of the year.

[Kill'em]

No smack, but is GSU really that undisciplined? I have been listening on and off since the start of the game, and all I keep hearing is. "GSU penalty".
We have been a heavily-penalized team since the Erk days.

[Kill'em]

Who does OT favor? The home team with the awful kicker? Or the away team with 4 turnovers?
This is not the same kicker. Dudley now only kicks off. The placekicker now is Patrick Bolen, from my kids' school, South Effingham. He has been solid for us.

[Mountaineer#96]

Ok now, we should know we are not going to cruise through this part of the schedule. We won bcause thats what good teams do, our backs were against the wall because of TO's and we found a way.

FU comes to town and we better be waiting for them to come off the bus.:nod:

Btw: Great game to GSU, I was happy to be playing them close. Once the playoffs come around our team will benefit from that experience in OT on the road.

[Kill'em]

Ok now, we should know we are not going to cruise through this part of the schedule. We won bcause thats what good teams do, our backs were against the wall because of TO's and we found a way.

FU comes to town and we better be waiting for them to come off the bus.:nod:

Btw: Great game to GSU, I was happy to be playing them close. Once the playoffs come around our team will benefit from that experience in OT on the road.
You're right, this will make you a lot tougher in the post season.

[GsuEagle24]

wow that was a great game.....clark had a horrible day...our defense kept us in it...there were quite a few questionable calls...but that happens...but you would expect the home team to get more of the calls...app state drove the ball good but fumbled a lot...i wish we still had the triple option

[ncman071]

well, another saturday, another win. go apps!

[Block-A]

Game being re-broadcast on SportsSouth right now.... Second half about to begin, again.

[Death Dealer]

FU comes to town and we better be waiting for them to come off the bus.:nod:

I appreciate you guys being so nice.....I wish I had as much confidence in us as you guys do. Our defense has more holes in it than Fred Sanford's underwear.:bang: :bawling:

I hope it is a good game next week. Hell, I hope we win. My heart is with the 'dins. But my head tells me to get ready to be disappointed. :confused:

[Block-A]

Ack!

Apparently, the re-broadcast obligation only includes regulation play. OT was pre-empted by Chan Gailey, In His Own Words.

Oh, well. I already knew how it ended...

[Seven Would Be Nice]

Just got back from the game...

Those two pass interference calls that ASU got were completely bogus. Sorry to have to bring that up. I think the people that saw it will agree.


They were both made by the line official (with the app coach right behind him) from over 30 yards away. the back official 8 yards away called them incomplete. I really hate socon officials.:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Good game app, both teams played their hearts out, but we couldnt keep it together in the 4th qrt and OT. Cyall next year, good luck the rest of the season.xsmileyclapx

[PantherRob82]

Was hoping for another big upset in the top 25 yesterday. Hope this is more of the GSU team we will see in the future.

[Kill'em]

Was hoping for another big upset in the top 25 yesterday. Hope this is more of the GSU team we will see in the future.
Thanks, but I hope not. Our offense couldn't score against Savannah St. Seriously, the defense played its best game of the year, except for a few plays. Holding them on fourth and one at the two yard line! The offense is pathetic. Now how many times can say that about Georgia Southern?

[Cap'n Cat]

Cap'n Cat was there. Appy looked sloppy and befuddled, certainly not as a #1 team. However, it is on the road and at a huge rival's place.

My opinion only, but App State gets eliminated from the playoffs early this year. There are much better teams in the potential filed this year, like UNI, ILSU and others.


:( :(

[Cap'n Cat]

Cap'n Cat was there. Appy looked sloppy and befuddled, certainly not as a #1 team. However, it is on the road and at a huge rival's place.

My opinion only, but App State gets eliminated from the playoffs early this year. There are much better teams in the potential field this year, like UNI, ILSU and others.


:( :(

[ASU Kep]

If we can beat Furman this weekend, somebody is going to have to beat us HERE to cause an early ASU exit. That is a tall order. We've got the second longest home-winning streak in all of D-I (those punks from SoCal got us beat...).

ASU played a little sloppy last Saturday, theres no doubt about that. But we still won. IMO, if we can stop turning the damn ball over, this ASU team is all together better then last year's. And we're nearly impossible to beat in Boone. Mark my words, we win this one Saturday and ASU is going DEEP into the playoffs yet again, freshmen QB or no.

[Cap'n Cat]

If we can beat Furman this weekend, somebody is going to have to beat us HERE to cause an early ASU exit. That is a tall order. We've got the second longest home-winning streak in all of D-I (those punks from SoCal got us beat...).

ASU played a little sloppy last Saturday, theres no doubt about that. But we still won. IMO, if we can stop turning the damn ball over, this ASU team is all together better then last year's. And we're nearly impossible to beat in Boone. Mark my words, we win this one Saturday and ASU is going DEEP into the playoffs yet again, freshmen QB or no.

Oh, shut up.


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:p :p :p

[straightshooter]

Hey 'Cap'n. How about some GSU-App pics. I know you had your camera...too many honeys at GSU not to break that sucker out!

[Cap'n Cat]

Hey 'Cap'n. How about some GSU-App pics. I know you had your camera...too many honeys at GSU not to break that sucker out!


They're in the Lounge, shooter. Didn't get too many coed pics this year. I was really loaded...........

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

[asu70]

Here is what I saw:
Georgia Southern
Both offensive and defensive lines dominated. We should have run the ball more. Clark threw poorly today. He also threw to too many covered receivers and missed open ones. Defense scored as many TD's as the offense. They made big hits and forced most of the turnovers. They spent a lot of the day in the backfield and in Edwards' head. Did a great job shutting down Richardson. They gave up some big plays but played really well. They got really tired in the 4th quarter because we didn't move the ball. Too many stupid penalties! PISS-POOR COACHING! :mad:

App St
Moved the ball well. Edwards did a great job of making plays. He is not a great passer but made the throws when needed. Many of his fumbles came because of hits he took. I think he got a little rattled not to mention woozy from some shots he took. Credit him for hanging in. Tough kid! Defense made the plays when they needed. As they say, a great team finds a way to win and App St is a great team!

Overall
The referees suck badly, but that didn't cost us the game. We were in control but weren't able to hang on. This is the biggest reason we lost, or App St won- we were out-coached. This is the worst-coached Georgia Southern team I can remember in a long time. The kids played their guts out, on both sides. It looked like a heavyweight fight. Our coaches were too conservative. Once again, too many screen passes, never stretching the field. App St had 8 in the box all game and we stayed conservative. The triple option was scrapped for this? The offensive coordinator is an idiot and needs to go.

Congratulations on a tough win App St! This is why you are #1. You found a way to win. Best wishes the rest of the year.
I'm not trying to argue with you, but I was at the game and in my opinion App dominated the line play on both sides of the ball with the stats of the game backing my opinion.

[Mountaineer#96]

I also would agree with you there ^^^^^^^^

[Appdad]

They're in the Lounge, shooter. Didn't get too many coed pics this year. I was really loaded...........

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Now who was sloppy during the game?

App or you? :smiley_wi

[Baldy]

I'm not trying to argue with you, but I was at the game and in my opinion App dominated the line play on both sides of the ball with the stats of the game backing my opinion.
Uhhhh No. If anything it was fairly even.

[SoCon48]

They were both made by the line official (with the app coach right behind him) from over 30 yards away. the back official 8 yards away called them incomplete. I really hate socon officials.:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Good game app, both teams played their hearts out, but we couldnt keep it together in the 4th qrt and OT. Cyall next year, good luck the rest of the season.xsmileyclapx

Apparently you haven't seen the replays. Watch the tape.

[SoCon48]

Here is what I saw:
Georgia Southern
Both offensive and defensive lines dominated. We should have run the ball more. Clark threw poorly today. He also threw to too many covered receivers and missed open ones. Defense scored as many TD's as the offense. They made big hits and forced most of the turnovers. They spent a lot of the day in the backfield and in Edwards' head. Did a great job shutting down Richardson. They gave up some big plays but played really well. They got really tired in the 4th quarter because we didn't move the ball. Too many stupid penalties! PISS-POOR COACHING! :mad:

.

Hmm. Interesting. Edwards was again named SoCon freshman player of the week. Got 350 yds total offense of his own including 2 TD's and only one sack.
Richardson got his normal yardage for this year and the winning TD. Not a great year.

Fumble was the name of this game.

[Appdad]

Uhhhh No. If anything it was fairly even.

that's why your QB rolled out to the left side away from Murrell and had to throw the ball away time and time again to avoid the sack?

Ours got 350 yards on designed qb draw plays and short passing?

all that adds up to even?

Turnovers were the story.

[Kill'em]

I'm not taking anything away from Edwards. We were in the backfield a lot. The problem I saw was we did not contain him well and he burned us. By the way, Clark always rolls to that side. What I don't get is that he doesn't like to tuck the ball and get what he can out of the play. He waits until the last second and throws a bullet to a receiver.

[Baldy]

that's why your QB rolled out to the left side away from Murrell and had to throw the ball away time and time again to avoid the sack?

Ours got 350 yards on designed qb draw plays and short passing?

all that adds up to even?

Turnovers were the story.
Our QB rolls all the time, no big deal. Appy didn't put any more "pressure" on him than any other team...hence, no sacks. Clark just played an awful game....that was the story. Even with all the penalties, if he just plays an average game for him, we win by 3 scores.

Charrod Taylor slung Isenhour around all day like a ragdoll. He should be ashamed. Everytime Edwards dropped back he was pounded. Don't believe me, ask his MCL. :nod:

[AppGuy04]

Don't believe me, ask his MCL. :nod:

That was one play Baldy, and if memory serves me correct, that was late 3rd quarter. The rest of the game, Armanti was running wild on you guys. Hell, he even knocked the helmet off your DB on his TD run. He ain't skeered!!!:nod:

[SoCon48]

Our QB rolls all the time, no big deal. Appy didn't put any more "pressure" on him than any other team...hence, no sacks. Clark just played an awful game....that was the story. Even with all the penalties, if he just plays an average game for him, we win by 3 scores.

Charrod Taylor slung Isenhour around all day like a ragdoll. He should be ashamed. Everytime Edwards dropped back he was pounded. Don't believe me, ask his MCL. :nod:
Everytime Edwards dropped back he was pounded. Don't believe me, ask his MCL

Ask the stat man who picked up 350 yards.xcoffeex
Please use exactly the same strategy next time we play.

[Seven Would Be Nice]

Everytime Edwards dropped back he was pounded. Don't believe me, ask his MCL

Ask the stat man who picked up 350 yards.xcoffeex
Please use exactly the same strategy next time we play.

We will, and like baldy said, if Clarke has a decent game it wouldnt be close.

Cyall next year in Boone.:hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

[SoCon48]

We will, and like baldy said, if Clarke has a decent game it wouldnt be close.

Cyall next year in Boone.:hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

6 less fumbles and we would have beaten the dog **** our of GSU.
You know what they say about "ifs and buts."xcoffeex

[Baldy]

That was one play Baldy, and if memory serves me correct, that was late 3rd quarter. The rest of the game, Armanti was running wild on you guys. Hell, he even knocked the helmet off your DB on his TD run. He ain't skeered!!!:nod:
One play?
Echols had his helmet in Edward's gut when he threw the int. Charrod Taylor blindsided him to cause one of his fumbles..a lucky recovery on your part, and the play after Mohring made him blow snot bubbles, he fumbled. Bynum lost his helmet because of the blow he laid on Edwards. Hell Bynum was already back in the huddle with his helmet back on before Edwards was got on his feet.

As I said earlier, Edwards is a tough kid. He's also one hell of an athlete, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he got pounded almost every time he touched the ball.

[SoCon48]

You relish in the hits. We'll cherish the yards and the score.

[asu70]

Uhhhh No. If anything it was fairly even.
If your definition of fairly even is being 150 yds. behind in total offense and 7 behind in first downs, then I guess your right. I find your definition and opinion somewhat skewed, but everyone should have there own opinion.

[Kill'em]

Like I said earlier, Edwards hurt us with the run. I'm not going to waste time arguing this. We put pressure on him and he made plays, period.

[Kill'em]

By the way, great win App St. Y'all are the better team.

[goasu984Life]

By the way, great win App St. Y'all are the better team.

The Mountaineers were better Saturday, and are better this year. Who knows what the future holds, but Georgia Southern will return to glory, and it will probably be next year.

[Kiss My Apps]

Bynum lost his helmet because of the blow he laid on Edwards. .


Come on Baldy... thats BS. Edwards lowered his head and blew Bynum up. If Bynum lost his helmet due to his vicious blow... why did he end up on his ass and Edwards ended up in the end zone? :confused:

As for the MCL comment... watch the replay. No vicious hit caused Edwards' injury. He was turning the corner, tried to slam on brakes to avoid a tackler, and got his knee twisted up. No doubt he took some hard hits... but it didn't cause his injury.

[seantaylor]

First of all, it was Zachery not Bynum. Bynum was tearing Edwards up all day.

[Baldy]

Come on Baldy... thats BS. Edwards lowered his head and blew Bynum up. If Bynum lost his helmet due to his vicious blow... why did he end up on his ass and Edwards ended up in the end zone? :confused:

As for the MCL comment... watch the replay. No vicious hit caused Edwards' injury. He was turning the corner, tried to slam on brakes to avoid a tackler, and got his knee twisted up. No doubt he took some hard hits... but it didn't cause his injury.
It's called physics. It's kinda hard to blow someone up when Zachary (not Bynum) didn't even leave his feet. He decleated Edward's, but his momentum sent him into the endzone, albeit sideways. You don't have to believe me, look for yourself. :nod:

http://www.bullochheadlinenews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=30

Edwards got injured when he took a dive when he saw that Mohring was about to send him into the first row. I'll be glad to supply the video for that one too, if you want.

[AppGuy04]

It's called physics. It's kinda hard to blow someone up when Zachary (not Bynum) didn't even leave his feet. He decleated Edward's, but his momentum sent him into the endzone, albeit sideways. You don't have to believe me, look for yourself. :nod:

http://www.bullochheadlinenews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=30

Edwards got injured when he took a dive when he saw that Mohring was about to send him into the first row. I'll be glad to supply the video for that one too, if you want.

Nobody knows exactly when he got hurt. He did come up limping on several plays, but to call one specific play is difficult.

Also, if it was for the -4 turnover ratio, this would not have been close. Thats on us, we kept it close.

[Kiss My Apps]

It's called physics. It's kinda hard to blow someone up when Zachary (not Bynum) didn't even leave his feet. He decleated Edward's, but his momentum sent him into the endzone, albeit sideways. You don't have to believe me, look for yourself. :nod:

http://www.bullochheadlinenews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=30

Edwards got injured when he took a dive when he saw that Mohrning was about to send him into the first row. I'll be glad to supply the video for that one too, if you want.


I watched the replay again last night just to be sure. Edwards had fifteen yards of full speed momentum vs Zachary's four. They collide at the two... Zachary staggers backwards and Edwards goes two more yards into the end zone. Who delivered the hit on who??? Let me get this straight... Zachery "decleated" Edwards, but Edwards falls forwards into the end zone and Zachery staggers around with his arms extended (you don't have to believe me, look for yourself), without his helmet. : smh :

As for the Edwards injury, I was just repsonding to the "Mohrning made him see snot bubbles" comment you made earlier. Edwards tried to slam on brakes and let Mohrning blow past him. Mohrning's snot bubble causing hit was no more than a hand on the helmet. Once again, you don't have to believe me, look for yourself. :nod:

[Baldy]

Nobody knows exactly when he got hurt. He did come up limping on several plays, but to call one specific play is difficult.

Also, if it was for the -4 turnover ratio, this would not have been close. Thats on us, we kept it close.
If...If...If... xcoffeex

Playing that game, if our QB has only an average day, we win by 3 scores or more. xcoffeex

[SoCon48]

If...If...If... xcoffeex

Playing that game, if our QB has only an average day, we win by 3 scores or more. xcoffeex

He would have had an average day if he hadn't played a decent defense.

[ErkPeterson]

He would have had an average day if he hadn't played a decent defense.

If the refs weren't on crack Appy doesn't score on 2 drives. No OT, GSU wins xcoffeex

[Baldy]

I watched the replay again last night just to be sure. Edwards had fifteen yards of full speed momentum vs Zachary's four. They collide at the two... Zachary staggers backwards and Edwards goes two more yards into the end zone. Who delivered the hit on who??? Let me get this straight... Zachery "decleated" Edwards, but Edwards falls forwards into the end zone and Zachery staggers around with his arms extended (you don't have to believe me, look for yourself), without his helmet. : smh :
What part of physics do you not understand? 15 yards of "full speed momentum"? xlolx After the collision, Zachary was the only one standing, Edwards was the one flailing sideways into the endzone. Edwards was diving for the endzone, Zachary was the one initiating contact. The helmet doesn't matter...I see them come off all the time after tacklers deliver crushing blows. :nod:


As for the Edwards injury, I was just repsonding to the "Mohrning made him see snot bubbles" comment you made earlier. Edwards tried to slam on brakes and let Mohrning blow past him. Mohrning's snot bubble causing hit was no more than a hand on the helmet. Once again, you don't have to believe me, look for yourself. :nod:
Mohring made him blow snot bubbles earlier in the game. Edwards didn't try to slam on brakes. He took a dive to avoid the hit. Good for him because if he didn't, he'd prolly still be curled up in the fetal position.

[Cap'n Cat]

What part of physics do you not understand? 15 yards of "full speed momentum"? xlolx After the collision, Zachary was the only one standing, Edwards was the one flailing sideways into the endzone. Edwards was diving for the endzone, Zachary was the one initiating contact. The helmet doesn't matter...I see them come off all the time after tacklers deliver crushing blows. :nod:


Mohring made him blow snot bubbles earlier in the game. Edwards didn't try to slam on brakes. He took a dive to avoid the hit. Good for him because if he didn't, he'd prolly still be curled up in the fetal position.


LMAO @ "snot bubbles"!!!!!!


xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[Baldy]

He would have had an average day if he hadn't played a decent defense.
The defense barely laid a hand on him all day. Your defense touched him only 1 time before he threw the ball all day long.

[Kiss My Apps]

and the play after Mohring made him blow snot bubbles, he fumbled.

xidiotx

Issac Newton made the false statement... not me. No doubt Edwards took some good hits that day, I'm just saying that this particular play wasn't one of them.

[boonegoon]

Goahead. Blame everyone but the better team for beating you on Saturday. Get over it. Do I need to call Dr. Phil??

[Kiss My Apps]

If the refs weren't on crack Appy doesn't score on 2 drives. No OT, GSU wins xcoffeex

So... the refs being on crack were the reason why you're all-world linebacker got punked in the middle of the field by William Mayfield. The refs are also the reason why you're safety took a hideous angle on his pursuit, realized he was a moron, and then gave up on the play?

[Kiss My Apps]

What part of physics do you not understand?

You're the one that needs the physics lesson. I also think someone needs to explain to you the difference of "sideways" and "forwards".

Allow me to dumb this down a little for you. Two objects collide. They are traveling at different rates of speed and force. One object moves backwards after impact, the other continues forwards. Which object delivered the greatest impact? Its immaterial who "initiated" the contact, its all about who got the best of it. In this case, its really indisputable.

I would hope that the GSU player would have "initiated" the contact. Kind of like your boy Earwood should have before he got shook out of shoes 10 yards prior.

[Griswold]

:flagged:

:argue:

:deadhorse:

We all get calls that sometimes go our way and we all get calls that don't.

[Kill'em]

Also, if it was for the -4 turnover ratio, this would not have been close. Thats on us, we kept it close.
So, you give us credit at all? Our defense played no part in the turnovers and you would have just run over us at will?

[El_Cid_99]

Ahem..GSU fans, you do realize that you're facing the Bulldogs this weekend in Charleston, right?

I'm praying that your players are still this focused on the loss to Appy instead of focusing on preparing for the #2 offense in the league.

[AppGuy04]

So, you give us credit at all? Our defense played no part in the turnovers and you would have just run over us at will?

The INT was a bad throw by Armanti. 2 of the fumbles we just simply let slip out of our hands. The one fumble that you returned for a TD was the only "forced" turnover

Our QB had as many rushing yards as Lewis, Covington and Foster combined. How did we NOT run over you? And thats with only 3 quarters of rushing attempts. After Armanti got hobbled, he only rushed like twice, otherwise it would have been more.

[SoCon48]

Ahem..GSU fans, you do realize that you're facing the Bulldogs this weekend in Charleston, right?

I'm praying that your players are still this focused on the loss to Appy instead of focusing on preparing for the #2 offense in the league.

Show 'em what a real hit looks like, Saturday, Citadel style. Citadel, win or lose, always gets in at least one snot bubbler.

[Kill'em]

The INT was a bad throw by Armanti. 2 of the fumbles we just simply let slip out of our hands. The one fumble that you returned for a TD was the only "forced" turnover

Our QB had as many rushing yards as Lewis, Covington and Foster combined. How did we NOT run over you? And thats with only 3 quarters of rushing attempts. After Armanti got hobbled, he only rushed like twice, otherwise it would have been more.
Because it took two overtimes to win.

Look. We had our share of mistakes as well. The difference is that we could not overcome our mistakes. As I've said before, good teams can overcome mistakes. We are not good yet and y'all are, but you did not run over us.

[AppGuy04]

Because it took two overtimes to win.

Look. We had our share of mistakes as well. The difference is that we could not overcome our mistakes. As I've said before, good teams can overcome mistakes. We are not good yet and y'all are, but you did not run over us.

We ran at will basically, thats all I'm saying. The turnovers are what made this game go into OT. That and the fact that your receivers couldn't catch a ball if it was stuck in their facemaskxlolx

[Baldy]

You're the one that needs the physics lesson. I also think someone needs to explain to you the difference of "sideways" and "forwards".

Allow me to dumb this down a little for you. Two objects collide. They are traveling at different rates of speed and force. One object moves backwards after impact, the other continues forwards. Which object delivered the greatest impact? Its immaterial who "initiated" the contact, its all about who got the best of it. In this case, its really indisputable.
:nono:
Apparently you haven't seen the video. For your reference, here it is again: http://www.bullochheadlinenews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=30

At 2:03 of the video, Zachary and Edwards collide, Edwards is decleated and is rocked sideways, NOT FORWARD. He did, however, have the presence to put his foot back down and spring himself into the endzone, SIDEWAYS. Yes, it's indisputable. :nod:

[Baldy]

The INT was a bad throw by Armanti. 2 of the fumbles we just simply let slip out of our hands. The one fumble that you returned for a TD was the only "forced" turnover
Edwards was getting hit and under intense pressure when he threw the INT.
http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/category.asp?C=78129
Go to Part #2, 2:03 into the highlight film.

Our QB had as many rushing yards as Lewis, Covington and Foster combined. How did we NOT run over you? And thats with only 3 quarters of rushing attempts. After Armanti got hobbled, he only rushed like twice, otherwise it would have been more.[/QUOTE]
Covington, Lewis, and Foster had 145 yards rushing. Edwards had 140, and when you consider Edwards had 24 attempts compared to 26 for the other three, combined, what does that matter?
However, as a team, Appy barely averaged 4 ypc. GSU averaged right at 5.

[Baldy]

We ran at will basically, thats all I'm saying.
Not according to the stats: 4.9 > 4.1

The turnovers are what made this game go into OT. That and the fact that your receivers couldn't catch a ball if it was stuck in their facemask[/QUOTE]
Good for Appy that our QB and receivers had a bad day. Otherwise, you lose by 3 TD's. :nod:

[Appdad]

Edwards was getting hit and under intense pressure when he threw the INT.
http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/category.asp?C=78129
Go to Part #2, 2:03 into the highlight film.

Our QB had as many rushing yards as Lewis, Covington and Foster combined. How did we NOT run over you? And thats with only 3 quarters of rushing attempts. After Armanti got hobbled, he only rushed like twice, otherwise it would have been more.
Covington, Lewis, and Foster had 145 yards rushing. Edwards had 140, and when you consider Edwards had 24 attempts compared to 26 for the other three, combined, what does that matter?
However, as a team, Appy barely averaged 4 ypc. GSU averaged right at 5.[/quote]

Your QB was good at hitting those receivers out of bounds. Was he aiming over there or was that just "body english"? :)

[Kiss My Apps]

At 2:03 of the video, Zachary and Edwards collide, Edwards is decleated and is rocked sideways, NOT FORWARD. He did, however, have the presence to put his foot back down and spring himself into the endzone, SIDEWAYS. Yes, it's indisputable. :nod:

If Edwards is hit anywhere short of the goal line, and he ends up in the end zone, he falls FORWARD. Regardless if it is one inch forward, or two yards forwards, it is FORWARD. Why is this so hard for you to admit or understand? Maybe eastern Georgians have a different method of labeling directions. xidiotx

Question... just for clarification on this new direction terminology. Is the GSU football program also falling SIDEWAYS??? xlolx xlolx xlolx

[AZGrizFan]

What part of physics do you not understand? 15 yards of "full speed momentum"? xlolx After the collision, Zachary was the only one standing, Edwards was the one flailing sideways into the endzone. Edwards was diving for the endzone, Zachary was the one initiating contact. The helmet doesn't matter...I see them come off all the time after tacklers deliver crushing blows. :nod:


Mohring made him blow snot bubbles earlier in the game. Edwards didn't try to slam on brakes. He took a dive to avoid the hit. Good for him because if he didn't, he'd prolly still be curled up in the fetal position.

Watched the video, ohhhhed and ahhhhhed at the hit. The one thing I came away with is this: A great hit (although I'll reserve judgement on WHo hit WHO), but GSU's guy has GOT to learn to wrap up. It's a nice sportscenter moment, right up til the time Edwards scores....whoops! :read: :read: :read:

[SoCon48]

:nono:
Apparently you haven't seen the video. For your reference, here it is again: http://www.bullochheadlinenews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=30

At 2:03 of the video, Zachary and Edwards collide, Edwards is decleated and is rocked sideways, NOT FORWARD. He did, however, have the presence to put his foot back down and spring himself into the endzone, SIDEWAYS. Yes, it's indisputable. :nod:

If he went sideways, he didn't score. If he went forward, he scored. He scored.
Nice clip. Looks like VanG is rapidly earning a nickname.."crybaby." Gotta admit he throws a mean hat.

[Saint3333]

ASU 27 GSU 20

All-time series

ASU 11-10-1.

Let's move on to Furman now boys, we've got more important things to do now.

[Baldy]

If Edwards is hit anywhere short of the goal line, and he ends up in the end zone, he falls FORWARD. Regardless if it is one inch forward, or two yards forwards, it is FORWARD. Why is this so hard for you to admit or understand? Maybe eastern Georgians have a different method of labeling directions. xidiotx

Question... just for clarification on this new direction terminology. Is the GSU football program also falling SIDEWAYS??? xlolx xlolx xlolx

: retard :

If Edwards was "falling forward", he wouldn't have needed to put his foot down and spring into the endzone. So much for that "15 yards of full speed momentum". xlolx xidiotx

[Kill'em]

I'm not trying to argue this point but I disagree. My biggest concern was Richardson and our defense did a great job on him. For us to hold him to <70 yards is a feat not many have done. Most of his yardage came at the end of the game when our defense was exhausted, due to an anemic offense. And give us a break, it's hard for our receivers to catch the football when it is thrown nowhere near them. It's too bad you weren't able to see how good they can be. It looked like Stevie Wonder was throwing to them.

[SoCon48]

: retard :

If Edwards was "falling forward", he wouldn't have needed to put his foot down and spring into the endzone. So much for that "15 yards of full speed momentum". xlolx xidiotx

Well, if the GSU defense was more intent on stopping Edwards than trying to get the crowd roaring from busting a runner, GSU wouldn't have ended up on the losing end.
Point is. Edwards scored. The defender didn't even get the credit for a tackle.:hurray:

[Kill'em]

This is one occasion that, instead of faulting the defense, we should give credit to the runner. It looked like he had enough momentum to carry a tackler into the endzone. The hit would normally break that momentum but I've got to give Edwards credit for scoring.

[SoCon48]

The fans, a few players, and announcers were tickled to death to see some slobber knockers and didn't care that the plays yielded 8 or 9 yards and a first down. lol

[Nike]

I saw this game on replay, wish i had been there. GSU will be a National Power next year and win a National Championship in the next 3 years. They have tremendous athletic talent.

This year belongs to App State. 2 in a row. Back to Back. They are the best team in the country, hands down.

[Baldy]

The fans, a few players, and announcers were tickled to death to see some slobber knockers and didn't care that the plays yielded 8 or 9 yards and a first down. lol
The real slobber knockers were short yardage no yardage and negative yardage plays.

[Baldy]

This year belongs to App State. 2 in a row. Back to Back. They are the best team in the country, hands down.
I'll be extremely suprised if Appy makes it out of the first round. They're good, but not even close to NC caliber. North Dakota State is without a doubt a MUCH better team. It's not even close. Too bad for them they're not eligible.

[Eaglegus2]

ASU 27 GSU 20

All-time series

ASU 11-10-1.

Let's move on to Furman now boys, we've got more important things to do now.

Exactly, the Mountaineers need to focus on the Paladins. The game against the Eagles is history. Chalk it up a W for ASU.

You need to keep that winning going to insure home field advantage during the playoffs if you have hopes of back to back championships.

[SoCon48]

The real slobber knockers were short yardage no yardage and negative yardage plays.

Which, given that ASU's Edwards racked up 350 yds total offense, didn't happen often enough.xcoffeex

[GGASU]

Cap'n Cat was there. Appy looked sloppy and befuddled, certainly not as a #1 team. However, it is on the road and at a huge rival's place.

My opinion only, but App State gets eliminated from the playoffs early this year. There are much better teams in the potential field this year, like UNI, ILSU and others.


:( :(

Good call on UNI....HMMM losses to a DII school and a conference cellar team AT HOME, yeah you guys are good. You will be lucky to have a winning record.:nod:

[JMU2004]

Good call on UNI....HMMM losses to a DII school and a conference cellar team AT HOME, yeah you guys are good. You will be lucky to have a winning record.:nod:


trash trash trash trash


got any full beers to throw at a player's Mom? Just don't hit her in the eye this time.........

[AppMan]

I'll be extremely suprised if Appy makes it out of the first round. They're good, but not even close to NC caliber. North Dakota State is without a doubt a MUCH better team. It's not even close. Too bad for them they're not eligible.

I'm sure during any one of GSU's title runs they blew out everyone they played and never had a close game. Some games you win, some you win big, and some you survive and move on. This was a bad game for our guys and I'll give GSU a lot of credit for making us look bad at times. I'm sure the Eagles released a lot of frustration during this one. Ya'll knew it was your last shot at keeping a playoff opportunity alive. By all accounts (newspapers, radio, ect) this was by far GSU's best effort of the year. We laid it on the ground a ton and gave it up 4 times and still won the game. It takes a pretty decent team to do something like that, especially at a tough place to play. We'll see in about 6-7 more weeks if this bunch of Apps has what it takes to win NC #2.

[Death Dealer]

I'm sure during any one of GSU's title runs they blew out everyone they played and never had a close game. Some games you win, some you win big, and some you survive and move on. We'll see in about 6-7 more weeks if this bunch of Apps has what it takes to win NC #2.

After the game yesterday, I am absloutely sure of what I already felt....ASU will repeat this year. :bang: Whoopty freaking ****!xlolx Just kidding....I'm happy for you guys...I just hate you so much at the same time. xlolx The dichotomy of my emotions is tearing me apart!: retard :

[Sam Adams]

Nice win Apps. How many bids do you think the Socon gets this year?

[hapapp]

If Furman wins out, the SoCon gets two.

[SoCon48]

After the game yesterday, I am absloutely sure of what I already felt....ASU will repeat this year. :bang: Whoopty freaking ****!xlolx Just kidding....I'm happy for you guys...I just hate you so much at the same time. xlolx The dichotomy of my emotions is tearing me apart!: retard :

Any play-off game ASU gets fumblitiis in, App is going down the tube. Sad but true.

[Kill'em]

I'm sure during any one of GSU's title runs they blew out everyone they played and never had a close game. Some games you win, some you win big, and some you survive and move on. This was a bad game for our guys and I'll give GSU a lot of credit for making us look bad at times. I'm sure the Eagles released a lot of frustration during this one. Ya'll knew it was your last shot at keeping a playoff opportunity alive. By all accounts (newspapers, radio, ect) this was by far GSU's best effort of the year. We laid it on the ground a ton and gave it up 4 times and still won the game. It takes a pretty decent team to do something like that, especially at a tough place to play. We'll see in about 6-7 more weeks if this bunch of Apps has what it takes to win NC #2.
Exactly. As I said earlier, a great team overcomes those mistakes and/or wins close games. Four of our five losses have been by a total of 15 points. This proves we may be close but we are NOT a good team.