AGS Poll Results - Week 6 2013

[AGSPoll]

Results for 10/07/2013 AGS Poll:



1
North Dakota State Bison
1825
73


2
Towson Tigers
1716



3
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1640



4
Northern Iowa Panthers
1621



5
Eastern Illinois Panthers
1480



6
Fordham Rams
1386



7
Eastern Washington Eagles
1338



8
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
1228



9
Montana State Bobcats
1209



10
Maine Black Bears
1178



11
Montana Grizzlies
999



12
McNeese State Cowboys
987



13
Youngstown State Penguins
951



14
Villanova Wildcats
889



15
Wofford Terriers
668



16
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
527



17
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
484



18
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
473



19
James Madison Dukes
347



20
Samford Bulldogs
312



21
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
275



22
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
257



23
Cal Poly Mustangs
254



24
William & Mary Tribe
244



25
Southern Illinois Salukis
230
















Most Significant Win:





North Dakota State Bison











Most Significant Loss:





Cal Poly Mustangs











ORV:




26
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
163



27
Yale Bulldogs
156



28
Tennessee State Tigers
154



29
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
145



30
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
124



31
Central Arkansas Bears
114



32
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
95



33
Harvard Crimson
83



34
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
50



35
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
29



36
South Carolina State Bulldogs
26



37
Murray State Racers
16



38
New Hampshire Wildcats
15



39
Stony Brook Seawolves
12



40
Chattanooga Mocs
11

[Twentysix]

Montana and Cal Poly to high, SIU to low. Otherwise it looks pretty good.

[BEAR]

How are the Bears ranked at all? xlolx 644 yards of offense is good, but that Defense is badly hurting.

[Twentysix]

I guess I can't see an argument for UCA, UNH or SUU getting any votes at all either.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm genuinely surprised NDSU kept all its 1st place votes.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I guess I can't see an argument for UCA, UNH or SUU getting any votes at all either.

I did ask a few of the voters how they could justify that without having some other teams but did not get any replies on it. When you are putting a 1-3 team in right now it's probably because you need to look at the subdivision a little harder.

[andy7171]

I'm genuinely surprised NDSU kept all its 1st place votes.

I'm surprised that UNI dropped. They pretty much proved they are worthy.

[Fear the Bird]

1
North Dakota State Bison


2
Towson Tigers


3
Sam Houston State Bearkats


4
Northern Iowa Panthers


5
Eastern Illinois Panthers


6
Fordham Rams


7
Eastern Washington Eagles


8
Montana State Bobcats


9
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers


10
Maine Black Bears


11
McNeese State Cowboys


12
Youngstown State Penguins


13
Villanova Wildcats


14
Montana Grizzlies


15
Wofford Terriers


16
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats


17
Tennessee State Tigers


18
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks


19
Southern Illinois Salukis


20
South Dakota State Jackrabbits


21
Southeastern Louisiana Lions


22
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs


23
Charleston Southern Buccaneers


24
South Carolina State Bulldogs


25
Lehigh Mountain Hawks

[BisonBacker]

Montana and Cal Poly to high, SIU to low. Otherwise it looks pretty good.

15-25 is kinda a CF. I had SIU at 22 and wouldn't rank them any higher yet. Respectable showing against a FBS but lost to both Eastern Ill and Youngstown. The wins they have are not that impressive unless you give the SDSU win a lot of weight but the way the bunnies are looking it's hard to tell. If they continue on this downhill slide that win loses it's luster.

[Twentysix]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Towson Tigers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Fordham Rams
9: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Southern Illinois Salukis
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: Yale Bulldogs
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

[IBleedYellow]

I finally feel like I did a decent job voting.
Rip away.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Fordham Rams
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Wofford Terriers
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: James Madison Dukes
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Charleston Southern Buccaneers

I will say:
Too High:
SDSU, Lehigh

Too Low: Not sure.

[Twentysix]

15-25 is kinda a CF. I had SIU at 22 and wouldn't rank them any higher yet. Respectable showing against a FBS but lost to both Eastern Ill and Youngstown. The wins they have are not that impressive unless you give the SDSU win a lot of weight but the way the bunnies are looking it's hard to tell. If they continue on this downhill slide that win loses it's luster.

A double OT loss to EIU is pretty impressive.

[superman7515]

James Madison too high.
Maine > Delaware > James Madison
UD, JMU, UNH shouldn't be getting any votes.

Gardner-Webb too low with two wins over Top 25 teams.

Chattanooga? Who have they beat?

Cal Poly with a losing record (2-3) with two wins over pretty bad teams is ranked, but not undefeated Yale (3-0) who beat them by 14 points in their own barn?

[Southern Bison]

I'm genuinely surprised NDSU kept all its 1st place votes.

I'm actually pleased to see that rebellious vote finally get where it's supposed to. I think SDSU is way too high...I would've figured they'd fall into the ORV gang.

[Twentysix]

I finally feel like I did a decent job voting.
Rip away.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Fordham Rams
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Wofford Terriers
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: James Madison Dukes
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Charleston Southern Buccaneers

I will say:
Too High:
SDSU, Lehigh

Too Low: Not sure.

G W and CP had pretty big losses this weekend, and CP doesn't really have a resume to stand on, esp after losing to yale. They beat a Pioneer team and PSU has only 1 DI win.

Looks pretty good though.

[IBleedYellow]

G W and CP had pretty big losses this weekend, and CP doesn't really have a resume to stand on, esp after losing to yale. They beat a Pioneer team and PSU has only 1 DI win.

Looks pretty good though.

I had Cal Poly too high from last week, so I still dropped them 6 spots, probably should have pulled them out, to be honest. I really like G-W and think they will come back strong. Also, I did end up dropping three entire teams from my T25 and adding 3 new ones, so there is that, who else would I add when/if I dropped CP out.

[superman7515]

I finally feel like I did a decent job voting.
Rip away.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Fordham Rams
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Wofford Terriers
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: James Madison Dukes
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Charleston Southern Buccaneers

I will say:
Too High:
SDSU, Lehigh

Too Low: Not sure.


JMU too high.
Cal Poly too high + how can you rank them and not Yale who walked into Cal Poly's house and beat them by double digits?

[Twentysix]

I had Cal Poly too high from last week, so I still dropped them 6 spots, probably should have pulled them out, to be honest. I really like G-W and think they will come back strong. Also, I did end up dropping three entire teams from my T25 and adding 3 new ones, so there is that, who else would I add when/if I dropped CP out.

That's up to you :p

Southern Illinois? South Eastern Louisiana? Yale? Jacksonville State? Delaware? Maybe some others.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

James Madison too high.
Maine > Delaware > James Madison
UD, JMU, UNH shouldn't be getting any votes.

Gardner-Webb too low with two wins over Top 25 teams.

Chattanooga? Who have they beat?

Cal Poly with a losing record (2-3) with two wins over pretty bad teams is ranked, but not undefeated Yale (3-0) who beat them by 14 points in their own barn?

Pretty much agree with everything except Webb, whom I did drop because Charlotte isn't that good.

[BisonBacker]

I guess I can't see an argument for UCA, UNH or SUU getting any votes at all either.

I agree they were not in my poll this week. The big sky is really a tough one to gauge this year. EWU and Montana State seem to be the front runners but surprised at Cal Poly, NAU, Montana and SUU. Moreso NAU and Montana but all 4 of those in the second group have at times played well and other times looked really bad. If Mcghee can stay healthy for MSU It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top in the BSC. That EWU game is looming large for both of them. Likely will decide the conference champion.

[IBleedYellow]

That's up to you :p

Southern Illinois? South Eastern Louisiana? Yale? Jacksonville State? Delaware? Maybe some others.

SIU was on the fringe but I didn't want to feel conference homer for putting them in there. Yale should feel slighted I failed at having CP in and Yale out. Next week that can be corrected.

Moto X

[BisonBacker]

A double OT loss to EIU is pretty impressive.
Yes but look at who their wins are over to this point.

[superman7515]

Jacksonville State #26
Murray State #37 despite the fact they beat Jacksonville State at Jacksonville State and their two losses are to FBS schools. Not saying Murray State is world beaters, their schedule is fluffy, but they already beat the Gamecocks in Jacksonville.

[Twentysix]

I agree they were not in my poll this week. The big sky is really a tough one to gauge this year. EWU and Montana State seem to be the front runners but surprised at Cal Poly, NAU, Montana and SUU. Moreso NAU and Montana but all 4 of those in the second group have at times played well and other times looked really bad. If Mcghee can stay healthy for MSU It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top in the BSC. That EWU game is looming large for both of them. Likely will decide the conference champion.

I think SUU has never played well, and their W's are being way way over valued.

[Grizalltheway]

Montana and Cal Poly to high, SIU to low. Otherwise it looks pretty good.

Agree on CP, but why Montana?

[Twentysix]

Yes but look at who their wins are over to this point.

It's a fair argument for sure.

I think SIU will finish a strong top 15 team. But I understand why they are only #25.

[Grizalltheway]

I agree they were not in my poll this week. The big sky is really a tough one to gauge this year. EWU and Montana State seem to be the front runners but surprised at Cal Poly, NAU, Montana and SUU. Moreso NAU and Montana but all 4 of those in the second group have at times played well and other times looked really bad. If Mcghee can stay healthy for MSU It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top in the BSC. That EWU game is looming large for both of them. Likely will decide the conference champion.

We looked really bad in ONE game at a tough place to play, and even then, we would have been in the game without all of the bone-headed fumbles. Even great teams have the occasional off day.

[Fear the Bird]

How is anybody ranking JMU at all let alone as high as #17? And who in the world is voting for Delaware?

[BisonBacker]

It's a fair argument for sure.

I think SIU will finish a strong top 15 team. But I understand why they are only #25.
I agree with the Jury is still out on SIU. Where they finish will be interesting. May or may not save Lennon's job this year. I have to think he's on the hot seat.

[LehighU11]

Probably a bit high on some OVC teams, and low on the Big Sky. BSC too jumbled right now. Dropped Cal Poly and Southern Utah.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Fordham Rams
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Wofford Terriers
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: James Madison Dukes
19: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
20: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
21: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
22: Yale Bulldogs
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Jacksonville State #26
Murray State #37 despite the fact they beat Jacksonville State at Jacksonville State and their two losses are to FBS schools. Not saying Murray State is world beaters, their schedule is fluffy, but they already beat the Gamecocks in Jacksonville.

Murray State was in my Top 25, a surprise team that ought to be in there, IMO.

[Twentysix]

Agree on CP, but why Montana?

Montana's quality wins have melted away completely. One would have to ignore the fact that App State could likely finish with 1 win all season to keep Montana that high. Running train on UND isn't impressive and its tough to rank Montana above NAU one week after NAU ran train on them.

Montana just has no good wins at this point, and has a questionable loss. It is highly probable App goes 0-3 and starts 1-7 which drastically effects the perceived quality of what people think is Montana's best win. Which means, Portland state is Montana's best win.

[SU DOG]

An off week and a weak opponent, and I can understand SELA(I think they prefer SLU) not being ranked. That will work itself out soon enough, BUT, I can tell you that most of these ranked teams would not beat this Lions squad. That aside I am ecstatic to see my Dogs finally on the list!!!

[BisonBacker]

We looked really bad in ONE game at a tough place to play, and even then, we would have been in the game without all of the bone-headed fumbles. Even great teams have the occasional off day.

No don't get me wrong I'm not saying you don't belong. Just that NAU game was a shocker. Yeah teams do have off day's I agree. You will get your chance at a Statement games when you face Eastern Washington and Montana State. I'm still giving the edge to EWU even though you are at home for that one. You win that and the Montana State games and the Griz will be looking at hosting in the playoffs. That is until you get to come to the dome xthumbsupx

[Twentysix]

An off week and a weak opponent, and I can understand SELA(I think they prefer SLU) not being ranked. That will work itself out soon enough, BUT, I can tell you that most of these ranked teams would not beat this Lions squad. That aside I am ecstatic to see my Dogs finally on the list!!!

Agree completely, well idk about most, but like 50% would lose to SELA 50% of the time.

[UIWWildthing]

My first ever time taking a shot at this:
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Fordham Rams
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Samford Bulldogs

Feel free to pick it apart

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Fordham Rams
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Wofford Terriers
19: Yale Bulldogs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

[Twentysix]

My first ever time taking a shot at this:
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Fordham Rams
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Samford Bulldogs

Feel free to pick it apart
#18 #20

[Twentysix]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Fordham Rams
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
16: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Wofford Terriers
19: Yale Bulldogs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Tennessee State Tigers
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Southern Illinois Salukis


Why Tenn State but not Bethune?

[superman7515]

Pretty much agree with everything except Webb, whom I did drop because Charlotte isn't that good.


Murray State was in my Top 25, a surprise team that ought to be in there, IMO.

I would like to officially announce my retirement from AGS. Thank you, it's been great, please tip your server.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

We looked really bad in ONE game at a tough place to play, and even then, we would have been in the game without all of the bone-headed fumbles. Even great teams have the occasional off day.

Dude we weren't beaten in that game. we were just flat out creamed. I agree that a good team can look bad in a week and so forth but even in our win last week our defense is loaded with talent but is not looking like one loaded with talent. It's suspect to say the least and I don't know that we are at a top 10 sort of level right now. I hope we get there but still got some issues that are gonna trouble unless they start getting our defensive players in better positions. Tackling is a bit of a problem at times as well.

[BEAR]

The Southland title will be decided in two weeks. Cowboys vs. Bearkats. Winner take all... IMO.

[BisonBacker]

I would like to officially announce my retirement from AGS. Thank you, it's been great, please tip your server.
And Monkey's are officially flying out Sup's Azz xlolx

[BisonBacker]

The Southland title will be decided in two weeks. Cowboys vs. Bearkats. Winner take all... IMO.

Which McNeese team is going to show up for this game? If it's the one that showed up for UNI you may as well just give Sam the title right now.

[Twentysix]

Which McNeese team is going to show up for this game? If it's the one that showed up for UNI you may as well just give Sam the title right now.

I think UNI is probably just that good. :\ It wasn't necessarily an off day for McNeese, they were just fed into a meat grinder.

[Professor Chaos]

I don't see the argument for Sam Houston being ranked above UNI. Towson I could see but UNI should #3 at the lowest.

[Grizalltheway]

Dude we weren't beaten in that game. we were just flat out creamed. I agree that a good team can look bad in a week and so forth but even in our win last week our defense is loaded with talent but is not looking like one loaded with talent. It's suspect to say the least and I don't know that we are at a top 10 sort of level right now. I hope we get there but still got some issues that are gonna trouble unless they start getting our defensive players in better positions. Tackling is a bit of a problem at times as well.


I give complete credit to NAU for having our number all night, just pointing out that if we had taken better care of the ball we still shut down their offense enough in the second half to where we could've had a shot at the W. I think if this team can keep a positive turnover margin they'll be very dangerous come November/December.

[Grizalltheway]

Montana's quality wins have melted away completely. One would have to ignore the fact that App State could likely finish with 1 win all season to keep Montana that high. Running train on UND isn't impressive and its tough to rank Montana above NAU one week after NAU ran train on them.

Montana just has no good wins at this point, and has a questionable loss. It is highly probable App goes 0-3 and starts 1-7 which drastically effects the perceived quality of what people think is Montana's best win. Which means, Portland state is Montana's best win.

Fair enough. Luckily we'll have the chance to prove ourselves against some quality opponents, although I suspect people will still find a way to discredit us if we happent to roll over Cal Poly, Eastern or MSU.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I don't see the argument for Sam Houston being ranked above UNI. Towson I could see but UNI should #3 at the lowest.

Sammy has a top 10 BCS loss and a top 5 FCS win. They stay #2 until they have another loss in my poll.

People give way too much credit to the ISU win.

[Twentysix]

Fair enough. Luckily we'll have the chance to prove ourselves against some quality opponents, although I suspect people will still find a way to discredit us if roll over Cal Poly, Eastern or MSU.

Montana could still easily finish in the top 10, but they need to win the games that matter.

[Professor Chaos]

Sammy has a top 10 BCS loss and a top 5 FCS win. They stay #2 until they have another loss in my poll.

People give way too much credit to the ISU win.
They shouldn't get any credit for a 37 point BCS loss. Not saying it should hurt them but it should not help them either. They have one good win over EWU, that's it. UNI also has a good win (more like a good throttling) over McNeese and an FBS win. Top that off with the fact that UNI had the consensus #1 team on the ropes but a good chunk on their last game before losing by 1 on the road and I think they're head and shoulders above what SHSU has proven so far.

[walliver]

Charleston Southern has yet to beat a D-I team with a winning record. 3 of their wins were against D-2 or Pioneer teams.

I would put G-W well ahead of CSU.

I don't vote in the poll, and respect those who do. I just found that it required way too much effort to look beyond the records of teams nationwide.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/2127/charleston-southern-buccaneers

[NoDak 4 Ever]

They shouldn't get any credit for a 37 point BCS loss. Not saying it should hurt them but it should not help them either. They have one good win over EWU, that's it. UNI also has a good win (more like a good throttling) over McNeese and an FBS win. Top that off with the fact that UNI had the consensus #1 team on the ropes but a good chunk on their last game before losing by 1 on the road and I think they're head and shoulders above what SHSU has proven so far.

NDSU would likely lose by 30+ to TAMU

[Pard4Life]

Yale, no respect?

I have Jville St., Harvard, Yale, and Central Ark. ranked. Otherwise, the poll is close to what I have. SDSU matches mine at 18. And I have EWU and Fordham as 6-7.

[Twentysix]

Yale, no respect?

I have Jville St., Harvard, Yale, and Central Ark. ranked. Otherwise, the poll is close to what I have. SDSU matches mine at 18. And I have EWU and Fordham as 6-7.

What on UCA's resume is swaying you to rank them in the top 25?

[Professor Chaos]

NDSU would likely lose by 30+ to TAMU
Probably but SHSU likely wouldn't lead NDSU for 56 minutes in the Fargodome and lose by only a single point.

[McNeese72]

The Southland title will be decided in two weeks. Cowboys vs. Bearkats. Winner take all... IMO.

I don't think we have the defense to compete with Sam and I think they have too many offensive weapons for us to outscore them. Hell, Flanders might have a career day against us.

Doc

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Probably but SHSU likely wouldn't lead NDSU for 56 minutes in the Fargodome and lose by only a single point.

I actually think they have the offensive punch to convert those gimmes into TDs instead of FGs like UNI, so you're probably right.

[RabidRabbit]

Has SELA played any of McNeese/SHSU/UCA yet? Maybe the Lions will stay unmentioned, but they may be right there competing for the Southland title in Nov.

[bluehenbillk]

Too High:

Beth-Cookman, SDSu & JMU

Too Low:

Jacksonville St & W&M

[Fear the Bird]

Why do people say Jacksonville State is too low? They went to OT with a D2 team and Georgia St and lost to Murray.

[Sammy94]

I don't think we have the defense to compete with Sam and I think they have too many offensive weapons for us to outscore them. Hell, Flanders might have a career day against us.

Doc


Sandbagging already Doc? That's nothing new.



Has SELA played any of McNeese/SHSU/UCA yet? Maybe the Lions will stay unmentioned, but they may be right there competing for the Southland title in Nov.



No that haven't and I agree.

[ccd494]

Why is Samford so far above Southeastern Louisiana? Samford has no wins over teams with winning records and lost to SELA at home.

You could make a pretty good argument for ranking no SoCon teams this week. It would mean giving a lot of credit to the middle of the Southland, but I think it's a fairly feasible argument.

[IBleedYellow]

I actually think they have the offensive punch to convert those gimmes into TDs instead of FGs like UNI, so you're probably right.

Against any other team UNI converts those into 14 points, not 6. We need to credit our defense.

[Sammy94]

I wonder if Denver fans are saying the same thing as Bison fans? Cowboys almost had us beat so they must really be good. I'm sure they could beat everyone else.

[clenz]

Well...UNI got a **** of a lot closer than SHSU ever has.

[walliver]

Why is Samford so far above Southeastern Louisiana? Samford has no wins over teams with winning records and lost to SELA at home.

...

They beat 3-2 Georgia Southern. Not an impressive 3-2, but still a winning record, and they did beat the Chattowns.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I wonder if Denver fans are saying the same thing as Bison fans? Cowboys almost had us beat so they must really be good. I'm sure they could beat everyone else.

UNI has beaten other good teams so look at it overall. You know as well as anyone else does how very good NDSU is.

[HensRock]

How the heck did JMU sneak back into this? By beating Albany???
What is the love affair with them on this site?
Can someone please explain why they deserve to be in the Top 25 at all?

[HensRock]

How it SHOULD look! xsmiley_wix

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Towson Tigers
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Fordham Rams
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Wofford Terriers
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
25: Harvard Crimson

[McNeese75]

I think UNI is probably just that good. :\ It wasn't necessarily an off day for McNeese, they were just fed into a meat grinder.

I disagree, yes it was an off day for McNeese. Play the game ten times at home and home or neutral sites and I bet the spread would not be that large again. That being said, UNI would probably win most of those games. They are a very good team and we shall see how their year unfolds with the injuries that seem to be piling up for them.

[Sammy94]

Well...UNI got a **** of a lot closer than SHSU ever has.

That's true. A one point loss is better then the 3 point loss we suffered in Fargo. I can't argue with that one.

[Sammy94]

UNI has beaten other good teams so look at it overall. You know as well as anyone else does how very good NDSU is.

I have no doubt UNI is good and my post wasn't geared towards them.

[IBleedYellow]

That's true. A one point loss is better then the 3 point loss we suffered in Fargo. I can't argue with that one.

You're comparing teams from 5+ years ago...

How about you actually compare the teams in the past 2-3 years.

[clenz]

I disagree, yes it was an off day for McNeese. Play the game ten times at home and home or neutral sites and I bet the spread would not be that large again. That being said, UNI would probably win most of those games. They are a very good team and we shall see how their year unfolds with the injuries that seem to be piling up for them.
Based on what I saw UNI wins at least 8 of 10...with most by about 13

[ursus arctos horribilis]

You're comparing teams from 5+ years ago...

How about you actually compare the teams in the past 2-3 years.

I was wondering how he could be comparing the two non playoff teams from that far back to now but I guess it makes sense somewhere.

[IBleedYellow]

I was wondering how he could be comparing the two non playoff teams from that far back to now but I guess it makes sense somewhere.

I still don't get it...I remember Rhett Bomar, though, he was good.

PS: If he compares teams from the past 2 years SHSU still loses.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

How it SHOULD look! xsmiley_wix

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Towson Tigers
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Fordham Rams
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Wofford Terriers
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
25: Harvard Crimson

Aside from confusing Chatty and Lehigh.... xlolx

[Sammy94]

How about you actually compare the teams in the past 2-3 years.

The post said EVER. I'm compared the last Fargo game. Perhaps NDSU runs away with it in the 2nd half on a neutral location? None the less, very hard to compare teams from different years much less different weeks.

[superman7515]

How it SHOULD look! xsmiley_wix

18: Chattanooga Mocs

I'll bite simply because I was waiting for someone to post up who had them in their poll...
Who the hell did Chattanooga beat that makes them Top 25 worthy? Georgia State, Austin Peay, and Western Carolina... GTFO. Haha

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

I think UNI is a top 5, but did some people move them up after a loss?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The Chattanooga pick was the one that really jumped out at me as well. Could be correct by the end of the season but can't justify right now.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I think UNI is a top 5, but did some people move them up after a loss?

Yes.

[IBleedYellow]

Yes.

Must have impressed people pushing NDSU to the edge, but a loss is a loss. Moral victories are for UN_ guys. Get it right.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

My top 5 didn't move. Not sure who they wouldn't jumped.

[Cocky]

They beat 3-2 Georgia Southern. Not an impressive 3-2, but still a winning record, and they did beat the Chattowns.
UTM manhandled the Chattowns and only have one FCS loss but aren't ranked.

[McNeese72]

Has SELA played any of McNeese/SHSU/UCA yet? Maybe the Lions will stay unmentioned, but they may be right there competing for the Southland title in Nov.

I think there has only been one conference game played so nobody has played them yet? But, we here are McNeese are very aware of them and how they have played so far. We still have a bitter taste in our mouths (just like we did from the game with UCA last season) from the game last season but know they are going to be tough. That QB scares me.

Doc

[HensRock]

Sup, Chatty didn't just barely beat those teams, they beat them good.
And they have a very close loss at Georgia Southern.
I know everyone is tired of chattownmocs constant campaigning, but I'm trying not to let it cloud my judgement.
I might have them a little high, but I beleive they are a Top 25 team at this point.

I had a real tough time finding #25. I finally settled on Harvard but I feel we don't have enough data on the Ivies yet.

[McNeese72]

Sandbagging already Doc? That's nothing new.


No that haven't and I agree.

No, I'm am totally serious on that comment. You guys have handed our asses to us the last two seasons and our defense looks like a sieve right now. If we don't create any turnovers on defense, we are doomed.

Doc

[Walkon79]

How it SHOULD look! xsmiley_wix

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Towson Tigers
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Fordham Rams
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
16: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Wofford Terriers
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Tennessee State Tigers
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
25: Harvard Crimson

Whoa buddy! There is nothing on our resume yet to say we're better than EWU, Towson or SHSU.

I'm totally fine near the bottom of the top ten at this point.

[Cocky]

Why is Coastal so high? I've looked at their schedule but just can't see a good win by them or their opponents. The best wins by opponents: NC AT, Benedict, WV Wesleyan, Citadel, Ala AM.

[OhioHen]

I did ask a few of the voters how they could justify that without having some other teams but did not get any replies on it. When you are putting a 1-3 team in right now it's probably because you need to look at the subdivision a little harder.

I give you the 2012 AGS Week 5 Poll xreadx - the 1-4 Northern Iowa Panthers solidly in at #24. Many voters giving much credit to a team three games under .500 and the poll committee allowed it. xsmhx Not much difference between that situation and votes for 1-3 teams like UCA and UNH this year.



1 North Dakota State Bison 2487 96
2 Youngstown State Penguins 2332 1
3 Old Dominion Monarchs 2178 1
4 Montana State Bobcats 2095
5 Wofford Terriers 1966
6 James Madison Dukes 1942
7 Eastern Washington Eagles 1810
8 Illinois State Redbirds 1700
9 Georgia Southern Eagles 1603
10 Stony Brook Seawolves 1419
11 Cal Poly Mustangs 1367 2
12 Sam Houston State Bearkats 1342
13 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1209
14 Towson Tigers 1149
15 Appalachian State Mountaineers 990
16 The Citadel Bulldogs 964
17 New Hampshire Wildcats 865
18 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 835
19 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 780
20 Albany Great Danes 779
21 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 627
22 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 452
23 Central Arkansas Bears 328
24 Northern Iowa Panthers 288
25 McNeese State Cowboys 266

[clenz]

That UNI team would beat/did end up beating 10-11 of the teams in that poll

[HensRock]

Whoa buddy! There is nothing on our resume yet to say we're better than EWU, Towson or SHSU.

I'm totally fine near the bottom of the top ten at this point.

I'm throwing out your loss when McGhee was out. With him in you guys have looked quite impressive.

[ElCid]

Anyone who voted for Charleston Southern just wasted a vote for one of many teams just outside of 25. 6-0 looks great until you see their opponents. I am not sure how some people will not vote for Lehigh due to their "weak schedule." But then turn right around and vote for CSU, who would probably get smoked by Lehigh. Since CCU got the extra game at Col, if they do well and are competitive, I will give them more respect, but until they face CCU, GW, and Liberty, save your vote. You will feel better about it in the long run.

I did finally did give Maine and McNesse their due and they jumped up pretty good on mine from their previous rank. I had been dogging them both a little until they showed show good consistancy, and they have.

I was impressed with N Iowa, even in a loss. As good as it was, couldn't move em up, a loss is a loss, but did not have heart to move them down either. They stayed at #4 for me.

SDSU and Cal Poly got punished appropriately and GW and Delaware as well. I was not prepare to reward Yale just yet--one game does not a ranking make, or unmake for that matter.

SIU and Samford got rewarded and entered the fray.

Lots of folks not high on SIU, but they are about three scores from being 6-0, one of those losses an FBS, the other 2 to #5 and #13. Not bad. Samford got it done against Ga Southern, who may be sandbagging, but they are still formidable.

I think 1-15 are pretty firm to within a couple spots for most folks. No matter how anyone wants to argue about 16-25, it is a cluster at this point. Different people see different strengths and measure the opponents of teams a bit differently based on their experience, knowledge, or even expectations. I think it will sort itself out in the next couple weeks.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I give you the 2012 AGS Week 5 Poll xreadx - the 1-4 Northern Iowa Panthers solidly in at #24. Many voters giving much credit to a team three games under .500 and the poll committee allowed it. xsmhx Not much difference between that situation and votes for 1-3 teams like UCA and UNH this year.

Yes, well aware of and asked those same sorts of questions then. Everybody on the poll committee did but we don't/didn't disallow them then nor now. They were a good team with a tough schedule as UNH may be and theey had a far tougher schedule than it appears UNH does at this point and even then it wasn't a good thing in my mind.

It's just a different philosophy amongst voters. I just have trouble saying "This is what a top 25 team looks like right now" to either of those. You see it differently and have your say in the matter.xthumbsupx

[HensRock]

Anyone who voted for Charleston Southern just wasted a vote.

+1

[chattownmocs]

If its a resume contest SHSU is a clearcut number 2. It isn't even a question. But clearly it isnt, which is why so many people are so impressed by what has happened in most NDSU games against decent teams. They score in the low 20s and win a close game. UNI isn't the first to do it and they won't be the last. NDSU is not a juggernaut, they are not the Alabama of FBS. They might be Alabama of 08, when Alabama had a mediocre offense and won a bunch of close low scoring games.

[OhioHen]

Yes, well aware of and asked those same sorts of questions then. Everybody on the poll committee did but we don't/didn't disallow them then nor now. They were a good team with a tough schedule as UNH may be and theey had a far tougher schedule than it appears UNH does at this point and even then it wasn't a good thing in my mind.

It's just a different philosophy amongst voters. I just have trouble saying "This is what a top 25 team looks like right now" to either of those. You see it differently and have your say in the matter.xthumbsupx

ursus - as you know, you will NEVER see a team with a losing record in MY top 25 (not even a "good" loss in week 1).

[BisonBacker]

If its a resume contest SHSU is a clearcut number 2. It isn't even a question. But clearly it isnt, which is why so many people are so impressed by what has happened in most NDSU games against decent teams. They score in the low 20s and win a close game. UNI isn't the first to do it and they won't be the last. NDSU is not a juggernaut, they are not the Alabama of FBS. They might be Alabama of 08, when Alabama had a mediocre offense and won a bunch of close low scoring games.

Nevermind the 39-13 score of last years championship game. What a rube xcrazyx.

[Twentysix]

If its a resume contest SHSU is a clearcut number 2. It isn't even a question. But clearly it isnt, which is why so many people are so impressed by what has happened in most NDSU games against decent teams. They score in the low 20s and win a close game. UNI isn't the first to do it and they won't be the last. NDSU is not a juggernaut, they are not the Alabama of FBS. They might be Alabama of 08, when Alabama had a mediocre offense and won a bunch of close low scoring games.

Lol, this guy.

[MTfan4life]

Nevermind the 39-13 score of last years championship game. What a rube xcrazyx.

No offense buddy, but this is also pretty rube-ish. Each year is a new year.

[chattownmocs]

Nevermind the 39-13 score of last years championship game. What a rube xcrazyx.

That was the exception. You just proved the rule.

[Walkon79]

I'm throwing out your loss when McGhee was out. With him in you guys have looked quite impressive.

I will agree with the SFA result, but I also don't think we have a signature win even with DeNarius. NAU was a dominant performance, but I don't think we're a lock for a seed unless we beat both EWU on the road and UM at home.

[BisonBacker]

No offense buddy, but this is also pretty rube-ish. Each year is a new year.

Absolutely it is a new year no argument. Have you read what he's posted? My response was to his clamoring about NDSU and it's past record.
They might be Alabama of 08, when Alabama had a mediocre offense and won a bunch of close low scoring games.

I'll be the first to admit our offense the last couple of games has been lethargic but then again 20-0 against SDSU and the nations leading rusher in FCS and holding him to 4 yards is not a close game. Rubish? The rube is chattownmocs

[BisonBacker]

That was the exception. You just proved the rule.

See my last post Einstein.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

ursus - as you know, you will NEVER see a team with a losing record in MY top 25 (not even a "good" loss in week 1).

xlolx

I know that full well and you see the breadth of things I need to reach for each week to make the case for why people do how they do. There are high points and low points to every single argument and philosophy on almost every ballot.xthumbsupx

[chattownmocs]

Absolutely it is a new year no argument. Have you read what he's posted? My response was to his clamoring about NDSU and it's past record.

I'll be the first to admit our offense the last couple of games has been lethargic but then again 20-0 against SDSU and the nations leading rusher in FCS and holding him to 4 yards is not a close game. Rubish? The rube is chattownmocs

You are from north Dakota. Your state would have a rube reputation if it had a reputation at all. The bottom line is this, NDSU is not a juggernaut because they are only great on one side of the ball. You can win championships that way. But that doesn't mean anytime you play a close game the other team goes straight to number 2 in the country.

[BisonBacker]

You are from north Dakota. Your state would have a rube reputation if it had a reputation at all. The bottom line is this, NDSU is not a juggernaut because they are only great on one side of the ball. You can win championships that way. But that doesn't mean anytime you play a close game the other team goes straight to number 2 in the country.

Don't you have to go get a mop and bucket to clean up puke on isle #2 xlolx

[MTfan4life]

Absolutely it is a new year no argument. Have you read what he's posted? My response was to his clamoring about NDSU and it's past record.

I'll be the first to admit our offense the last couple of games has been lethargic but then again 20-0 against SDSU and the nations leading rusher in FCS and holding him to 4 yards is not a close game. Rubish? The rube is chattownmocs

There's no use dwelling in someone else's slop though just because they laid it out for you to play in.

[Sammy94]

But that doesn't mean anytime you play a close game the other team goes straight to number 2 in the country.

Agreed. My point

Everyone already knows GSU would have beat SHSU last year. They were the 2nd best team last year.

[chattownmocs]

Don't you have to go get a mop and bucket to clean up puke on isle #2 xlolx

Do I work in a grocery store now? I must have gotten fired from subway. Just wave the white flag, you lose.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

There's no use dwelling in someone else's slop though just because they laid it out for you to play in.

Yep. That's what he do!

[chattownmocs]

Agreed. My point

Everyone already knows GSU would have beat SHSU last year. They were the 2nd best team last year.

No they wouldn't have. SHSU would have won and out wouldn't have been close. Same with wofford, and just about every other close opponent NDSU played. Sam Houston has been a far more dominant team than NDSU outside of the head to head matchup. More teams matchup better with NDSU than SHSU.

[McNeese75]

Based on what I saw UNI wins at least 8 of 10...with most by about 13

I won't disagree with you on that, my point was on most days that game should have been closer (and yes I know it wasn't and we have to live with that) Who knows, we might be able to test the theory later in the year.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

There's no use dwelling in someone else's slop though just because they laid it out for you to play in.

That's good advice that I've tried to lay out many times...sometimes you just can't help but a dip a toe in and see what's gonna happen though. xlolx

[BisonBacker]

There's no use dwelling in someone else's slop though just because they laid it out for you to play in.

It's like driving by an accident. You know you are going to see a mess but you still have to look xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

It's like driving by an accident. You know you are going to see a mess but you still have to look xlolx

Looking is one thing. Picking up the body parts and hurling them in every direction is another.

[Twentysix]

Looking is one thing. Picking up the body parts and hurling them in every direction is another.

What about drawing a penis on the persons face, with a sharpie? :p

[moosbah]

No they wouldn't have. SHSU would have won and out wouldn't have been close. Same with wofford, and just about every other close opponent NDSU played. Sam Houston has been a far more dominant team than NDSU outside of the head to head matchup. More teams matchup better with NDSU than SHSU.

And your basis for this post is what?

Lopsided conference scores in a terrible conference?

I need more substance if you are going to make a grand statement like that.

[BisonBacker]

Looking is one thing. Picking up the body parts and hurling them in every direction is another.
I've responded in kind I didn't start tossing those parts until after they were tossed at us xthumbsupx

[MTfan4life]

I've responded in kind I didn't start tossing those parts until after they were tossed at us xthumbsupx

If a monkey throws ***** at you, do you poop your pants and throw it back at him, or do you find something better to throw back? That's what I'm getting at. xthumbsupx

[Professor Chaos]

And your basis for this post is what?

Lopsided conference scores in a terrible conference?

I need more substance if you are going to make a grand statement like that.
You realize who you're talking to right? The only substance he dishes out isn't something you'd want...

[ursus arctos horribilis]

If a monkey throws ***** at you, do you poop your pants and throw it back at him, or do you find something better to throw back? That's what I'm getting at. xthumbsupx

I do. That SOB ain't getting over on me.

[dystopiamembrane]

Many voters giving much credit to a team three games under .500 and the poll committee allowed it. xsmhx
Why should the poll committee not allow a given submission?

[GoAgs72]

No team in my poll under .500 regardless of who they are. Early in the season is different but at half-way through the season you should have a winning record.

[caribbeanhen]

James Madison too high.
Maine > Delaware > James Madison
UD, JMU, UNH shouldn't be getting any votes.

Gardner-Webb too low with two wins over Top 25 teams.


Chattanooga? Who have they beat?

Cal Poly with a losing record (2-3) with two wins over pretty bad teams is ranked, but not undefeated Yale (3-0) who beat them by 14 points in their own barn?

Agree on all of that, JMU will soon show the aint nothing special

[dystopiamembrane]

No team in my poll under .500 regardless of who they are. Early in the season is different but at half-way through the season you should have a winning record.
I have 2-3 Stony Brook and 2-3 Richmond in my submission. They are under .500 right now, but they should be 7-4 and 6-6 respectively at the end of the season. Is that acceptable?

[GoAgs72]

I have 2-3 Stony Brook and 2-3 Richmond in my submission. They are under .500 right now, but they should be 7-4 and 6-6 respectively at the end of the season. Is that acceptable?


You can do anything you wish. A poll is a combination of many opinions.

[dystopiamembrane]

You can do anything you wish. A poll is a combination of many opinions.
High five.

[CopperCat]

Coastal fricking Carolina?

Nope.

[Squealofthepig]

Coastal fricking Carolina?

Nope.

What's not to like? I mean, I could argue for them being lower, but they're undefeated and have three road wins. They've scored 50+ twice - on the road. I don't see them making it to Frisco - and their game this weekend vs. Gardner-Webb will be informative - but I can't fault some voters for being impressed.

[OhioHen]

I have 2-3 Stony Brook and 2-3 Richmond in my submission. They are under .500 right now, but they should be 7-4 and 6-6 respectively at the end of the season. Is that acceptable?

If you can justify to yourself that those losing teams are among the 25 best in the country based on everyone's on-field performance this year, then it is acceptable for you to include them.

I can NEVER justify (to myself) a 2-3 (insert ANY school name here) over a 4-1 (insert ANY school name here - even from the Pioneer League), a losing record will never get a vote from me.

[CopperCat]

What's not to like? I mean, I could argue for them being lower, but they're undefeated and have three road wins. They've scored 50+ twice - on the road. I don't see them making it to Frisco - and their game this weekend vs. Gardner-Webb will be informative - but I can't fault some voters for being impressed.

The "best" team they have played has a 3-3 record.

Everyone else has two wins or fewer. Explain how that is "impressive."

[Professor Chaos]

The "best" team they have played has a 3-3 record.

Everyone else has two wins or fewer. Explain how that is "impressive."
I've been of that same opinion for the last few weeks as they've vaulted up from #21 to #8 between Week 2 and Week 5. I don't see what differentiates them from a team like BCU who's at #16. In fact I'd argue that BCU should be ranked slightly ahead of CCU.

[BisonBacker]

I have 2-3 Stony Brook and 2-3 Richmond in my submission. They are under .500 right now, but they should be 7-4 and 6-6 respectively at the end of the season. Is that acceptable?

Well saying that and speculating on a season ending record of 6-6 to justify a top 25 ranking doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not saying that you can't rank a team with a 2-3 record obviously you can do what you want. But to use a season ending 6-6 record to back it up? You've lost me.

[MSUBobcat]

Well saying that and speculating on a season ending record of 6-6 to justify a top 25 ranking doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not saying that you can't rank a team with a 2-3 record obviously you can do what you want. But to use a season ending 6-6 record to back it up? You've lost me.

I had the same thoughts. In no way does a 6-6 team enter the top 25 at the end of the year. Wouldn't even be close to the bubble for a 24 team playoff.

[ElCid]

The "best" team they have played has a 3-3 record.

Everyone else has two wins or fewer. Explain how that is "impressive."

While I have some doubts about CCU, they have gotten it done to date with three road wins. And while not powerhouses, just to be accurate, their opponents: SC St is 4-2, Furman 2-3, E Kentucky 3-3, Hampton 0-5, and Elon 2-4. So not two wins for everyone else. I think what most impressed folks was their manhandling of E Kentucky on the road. They will be unmasked the next 2 weeks if they are weak.

Just upset because they edged you out? I have to sort of chuckle. I think you are probably better than they are and you were higher in my poll, but using your logic let's see.

The best team you have played is 3-2, one is 3-3, everyone else has 2 wins or fewer. And Monmouth (3-3), SMU (1-4), Mesa(who?), SFA (2-3), ND 2-3) are impressive? Lot of weak sisters there. N Arizona (3-2) was impressive, and that is why you are ranked well. OK, SMU is FBS but they are not exactly the cream of the crop, and you lost, albeit by a point. I would not yell too loudly, your next 3 opponents have a total 4 wins and 14 loses to date. Unless opponent win/loss is something we really don't want to look at?

[dystopiamembrane]

Well saying that and speculating on a season ending record of 6-6 to justify a top 25 ranking doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not saying that you can't rank a team with a 2-3 record obviously you can do what you want. But to use a season ending 6-6 record to back it up? You've lost me.
Oh! Not using the 6-6 to back it up. It was tongue in cheek. My feeling on records...extreme example to explain my point. Suppose NDSU had a schedule filled with Top 25 FBS schools and they finished 1-11, should a 12-0 Chuck South team be considered the better squad?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Oh! Not using the 6-6 to back it up. It was tongue in cheek. My feeling on records...extreme example to explain my point. Suppose NDSU had a schedule filled with Top 25 FBS schools and they finished 1-11, should a 12-0 Chuck South team be considered the better squad?

absurd. NDSU would go at least 5-6 :D

[dystopiamembrane]

I had the same thoughts. In no way does a 6-6 team enter the top 25 at the end of the year. Wouldn't even be close to the bubble for a 24 team playoff.
I have seen this thought a couple of times in discussions this year.
Is the point of this poll to accurately reflect the teams that the committee will choose for the at-large spots or is it a poll which reflects the thoughts of AGSers?
If it's the former, perhaps it would be a better use of our collective time to elect a committee of our own to do work similar to the FCS selection committee and come out with a list or bracket or some such, like d3football.com does at the end of the year and allow the poll submission folks to continue to submit as they desire without a committee determining the validity of submissions.

[HensRock]

Well saying that and speculating on a season ending record of 6-6 to justify a top 25 ranking doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not saying that you can't rank a team with a 2-3 record obviously you can do what you want. But to use a season ending 6-6 record to back it up? You've lost me.

^ This

[dystopiamembrane]

^ This
See my response at 10:08 PST this morning.