AGS Poll Results - Week 4, 2013

[AGSPoll]

Results for 09/23/2013 AGS Poll:



1
North Dakota State Bison
1849
73


2
Towson Tigers
1723



3
Eastern Washington Eagles
1688
1


4
Northern Iowa Panthers
1550



5
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1528



6
Montana Grizzlies
1376



7
Eastern Illinois Panthers
1299



8
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1236



9
Fordham Rams
1235



10
McNeese State Cowboys
1154



11
New Hampshire Wildcats
1058



12
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
925



13
Montana State Bobcats
744



14
James Madison Dukes
661



15
Cal Poly Mustangs
632



16
Central Arkansas Bears
583



17
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
487



18
Wofford Terriers
453



19
Villanova Wildcats
431



20
Youngstown State Penguins
426



21
Maine Black Bears
378



22
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
367



23
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
364



24
William & Mary Tribe
362



25
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
254
















Most Significant Win:





Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs











Most Significant Loss:





Montana State Bobcats











ORV:




26
Richmond Spiders
182



27
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
170



28
Stony Brook Seawolves
168



29
North Carolina A&T Aggies
127



30T
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
108



30T
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
108



32
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
58



33
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
56



34
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
41



35
Portland State Vikings
39



36
Southern Illinois Salukis
38



37
Samford Bulldogs
35



38
Chattanooga Mocs
33



39
Illinois State Redbirds
29



40
Tennessee State Tigers
21

[IBleedYellow]

Good poll!

Here's mine.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Fordham Rams
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Villanova Wildcats

EDIT: DAMNIT, I left Wofford out. Sigh. One day I'll possibly have a good poll....possibly.

[citdog]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Towson Tigers
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Fordham Rams
9: Eastern Illinois Panthers
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Cal Poly Mustangs
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Samford Bulldogs

[Twentysix]

Montana State is way to high after an early season loss to SFA.

SELA to low.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Towson Tigers
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Fordham Rams
9: Eastern Illinois Panthers
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Cal Poly Mustangs
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Samford Bulldogs

No Gardner-Webb or Chuck South? xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[Twentysix]

*1: North Dakota State Bison
*2: Towson Tigers
*3: Northern Iowa Panthers
*4: Eastern IllinoisPanthers
*5: South Dakota StateJackrabbits
*6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
*8: Montana Grizzlies
*9: Fordham Rams
*10: Southern Illinois Salukis
11: Coastal Carolina
*12: McNeese State Cowboys
*13: Southeastern LouisianaLions
*14: William and MaryTribe
*15: Maine
*16: Youngstown State Penguins
*17: Samford Bulldogs
*18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Tenn-Martin Skyhawks
*20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Bethune Cookman
*22: Southern Utah
23: James Madison
24: Gardner Webb
25: Wofford
*=I have seen them play this season

[Fear the Bird]

1
North Dakota St.


2
Towson


3
Eastern Washington


4
Sam Houston St.


5
Northern Iowa


6
Eastern Illinois


7
Montana


8
McNeese St


9
Fordham


10
South Dakota St


11
New Hampshire


12
Coastal Carolina


13
Montana St.


14
Tennessee-Martin


15
Central Arkansas


16
James Madison


17
Bethune-Cookman


18
Youngstown St


19
Gardner-Webb


20
Cal Poly


21
Maine


22
Wofford


23
William & Mary


24
Jacksonville State


25
North Carolina A&T

[kdinva]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Towson Tigers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Fordham Rams
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Richmond Spiders
17: James Madison Dukes
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Youngstown State Penguins
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
25: Stony Brook Seawolves

[Twentysix]

Good poll!

Here's mine.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Fordham Rams
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Villanova Wildcats

EDIT: DAMNIT, I left Wofford out. Sigh. One day I'll possibly have a good poll....possibly.

Not sold on Southern Ill. being top 25 eh?

[IBleedYellow]

Not sold on Southern Ill. being top 25 eh?

Not sure what you're implying here? :P

[citdog]

No Gardner-Webb or Chuck South? xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx


not yet.

[Twentysix]

Not sure what you're implying here? :P

Well they lost to your #7 by 3 points in overtime, and played an Illini team that looks to be decent to one touchdown. And by direct resume they are no worse than Montana State. Both have 1 multitouchdown DI win(SIU 27 points over SEMO on a neutral field, MSU 18 points over Monmouth at home) and one D2 win by 20+. Both played unranked FBS teams from strong conferences to 1 TD, but MSU's loss is to a bad SFA team, and SIU's is a three point overtime loss to your #7.

It's still early, but they look like they are going to be pretty good this year, probably 4th in the Valley.

[TheRevSFA]

****..I forgot to put in my ballot.

*Sigh* one year I will do this right.

[Catbooster]

Well they lost to your #7 by 3 points in overtime, and played an Illini team that looks to be decent to one touchdown. And by direct resume they are no worse than Montana State. Both have 1 multitouchdown DI win(SIU 27 points over SEMO, MSU 18 points over Monmouth) and one D2 win by 20+. Both played unranked FBS teams from strong conferences to 1 TD, but MSU's loss is to a bad SFA team, and SIU's is a three point overtime loss to your #7.

It's still early, but they look like they are going to be pretty good this year, probably 4th in the Valley.
I'm not sure that argument will convince him since he doesn't have MSU in his poll. xcoffeex

[Twentysix]

I'm not sure that argument will convince him since he doesn't have MSU in his poll. xcoffeex

haha, good catch. I think I combined CitDog's poll with IBY's.

[Catbooster]

****..I forgot to put in my ballot.

*Sigh* one year I will do this right.
Congrats on the win - you guys made us look bad. Hopefully MSU will bounce back and make it a quality win for you.

[RabidRabbit]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Towson Tigers
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: James Madison Dukes
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Fordham Rams
13: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
14: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
15: William & Mary Tribe
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Cal Poly Mustangs
23: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Villanova Wildcats

Rabid thoughts - 'Nova coming round? What to do with a resergent Big South? SE LA is on the border, but needs to knock out SHSU, McNeese or UCA to get serious into top 25.

With all the FBS wins and 0 loss teams, tough to choose someone who has 2 losses. If EIU had won at NIU, it would have been difficult to not be #1 or #2. So far they have the best MVFC record of 2-0.

[Twentysix]

Congrats on the win - you guys made us look bad. Hopefully MSU will bounce back and make it a quality win for you.

Has it been decided if DM is going to play any of the remainder of the season?

[KUlawJack]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Towson Tigers
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Fordham Rams
9: Eastern Illinois Panthers
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Cal Poly Mustangs
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Samford Bulldogs

I don't vote as I'm not qualified, but did you leave SDSU out on purpose?

[TheRevSFA]

Congrats on the win - you guys made us look bad. Hopefully MSU will bounce back and make it a quality win for you.

Thanks. I wish you guys all the best this season.

Also, I ran into a group of Bobcat fans at the game. I told them I hoped they destroyed everyone they played, including the Grizz...and I hope we kicked their ass tonight.

All of the Montana State fans who came to town were class acts. I hope we can have more games..I'd love to go up to Bozeman.

[Twentysix]

Thanks. I wish you guys all the best this season.

Also, I ran into a group of Bobcat fans at the game. I told them I hoped they destroyed everyone they played, including the Grizz...and I hope we kicked their ass tonight.

All of the Montana State fans who came to town were class acts. I hope we can have more games..I'd love to go up to Bozeman.

They have awesome fans. Their AD on the other hand... :p

[bluehenbillk]

Too High: JMU, Cal Poly, Wofford & Villanova

Too Low: YSU & Maine

[IBleedYellow]

I'm not sure that argument will convince him since he doesn't have MSU in his poll. xcoffeex

!!!!

That's it, I totally fail at putting these polls together... Wofford AND Montana State were both supposed to fit in there. 11 for MSU.

Moto X

[Catbooster]

Has it been decided if DM is going to play any of the remainder of the season?
They haven't released what grade the separation was. No definite date has officially been given or estimated.

Currently it seems that most are assuming (hoping might be a better word) that he'll be back for the EWU game (at UND, vs.NAU, bye before then). Of course, even if he's medically released to start playing, you have to wonder how long before he's fully recovered. We know he won't be back for the next 2 games.

[Houndawg]

Not sold on Southern Ill. being top 25 eh?

I think they will end up there but I wouldn't fault anybody for leaving them out now. Next four games for the Salukis: #20 YSU, @#8 SDSU, @#4 UNI, #1 NDSU. Must win two to stay in playoff contention. Gotta be the toughest schedule in FCS...

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Fordham Rams
9: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: James Madison Dukes
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
19: Montana State Bobcats
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Liberty Flames
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Wofford Terriers

[GoCats23]

They haven't released what grade the separation was. No definite date has officially been given or estimated.

Currently it seems that most are assuming (hoping might be a better word) that he'll be back for the EWU game (at UND, vs.NAU, bye before then). Of course, even if he's medically released to start playing, you have to wonder how long before he's fully recovered. We know he won't be back for the next 2 games.

I would like to think he'll be back for UC-davis at the latest, I see him most days and he seems to be moving his shoulder alright, but throwing and moving his arm are completely different matters.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Fordham Rams
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: McNeese State Cowboys
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Montana State Bobcats
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Portland State Vikings
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Samford Bulldogs

Looking at it now, I should have put in SDSU, otherwise I'm pretty happy with it.

[Twentysix]

I think they will end up there but I wouldn't fault anybody for leaving them out now. Next four games for the Salukis: #20 YSU, @#8 SDSU, @#4 UNI, #1 NDSU. Must win two to stay in playoff contention. Gotta be the toughest schedule in FCS...

Probably, no one saw EIU being a top 5 at worst top 10 team.

SIU should go 2-2 in that lineup.

[Twentysix]

Everyone has forgiven JMU for the STFU game?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

!!!!

That's it, I totally fail at putting these polls together... Wofford AND Montana State were both supposed to fit in there. 11 for MSU.

Moto X

I'm not sure if it would make a difference for you or not IBY but I start with a spreadsheet every week that has my previous ranking listed. I make any notes like (DAMNIT! Left out team X) in the notes under that column along with a list of the next 10-15 teams that I am watching and want to put in there. IOW if you are not using a spreadsheet or some sort of tool to go in and make your ballot up on the poll form you are gonna have troubles my friend. Alos, it's pretty easy to go back to that and just use Supey's how they fared doc to slide any losers to the right and move them accordingly. I'm not talking about slot voting here just sliding them out and having a clear rep of your own poll what happened.

Don't know if it will help ya or not but it's a good starting point and it takes a while to get a good groove down man so don't sweat it.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

Everyone has forgiven JMU for the STFU game?

I think the NEC is an improving league. No shame in a bit of a tussle imo....

The CAA is about to eat each other up. I'm interested to see how it works out. I still like Villanova to be one of the teams standing when it's all said and done. Towson is probably the best team.

[Twentysix]

I'm not sure if it would make a difference for you or not IBY but I start with a spreadsheet every week that has my previous ranking listed. I make any notes like (DAMNIT! Left out team X) in the notes under that column along with a list of the next 10-15 teams that I am watching and want to put in there. IOW if you are not using a spreadsheet or some sort of tool to go in and make your ballot up on the poll form you are gonna have troubles my friend. Alos, it's pretty easy to go back to that and just use Supey's how they fared doc to slide any losers to the right and move them accordingly. I'm not talking about slot voting here just sliding them out and having a clear rep of your own poll what happened.

Don't know if it will help ya or not but it's a good starting point and it takes a while to get a good groove down man so don't sweat it.

Similar, I use word and build my new poll on a page beside my old poll. I typically go through changing the slots of teams from last week and then build around them. I also do copious amounts of peyote and stare into the eyes of the poll deity.

I also usually do 1-30. Then I stare at it and roll a 25 sided die while recanting the prayer to Tlaloc. Somehow NDSU stays #1.

[Nova09]

I think they will end up there but I wouldn't fault anybody for leaving them out now. Next four games for the Salukis: #20 YSU, @#8 SDSU, @#4 UNI, #1 NDSU. Must win two to stay in playoff contention. Gotta be the toughest schedule in FCS...

I don't do a poll and I'm not saying anything definitively, but let's just compare Nova and SIU:

Nova only plays 11 games, so let's just ignore Charleston altogether. So Nova and SIU both played a BCS opponent close but lost. They both then played and unexpected top 10 FCS and lost by 3. SIU then got their win against SeMo (nothing special), Nova got a win against Stony Brook (probably also nothing special but they were ranked at the time). SIU now gets 4 straight ranked opponents, including #1. Nova gets Penn, who we don't know much about bc they're Ivy and only played 1 game, but are receiving many votes; then Nova gets 5 straight ranked, including #2.

[Twentysix]

I don't do a poll and I'm not saying anything definitively, but let's just compare Nova and SIU:

Nova only plays 11 games, so let's just ignore Charleston altogether. So Nova and SIU both played a BCS opponent close but lost. They both then played and unexpected top 10 FCS and lost by 3. SIU then got their win against SeMo (nothing special), Nova got a win against Stony Brook (probably also nothing special but they were ranked at the time). SIU now gets 4 straight ranked opponents, including #1. Nova gets Penn, who we don't know much about bc they're Ivy and only played 1 game, but are receiving many votes; then Nova gets 5 straight ranked, including #2.

You have no conclusion... I'm literally hanging on the edge of my seat awaiting Post #34 Part II

[URMite]

I think the NEC is an improving league. No shame in a bit of tussle of imo....

The CAA is about to eat each other up. I'm interested to see how it works out. I still like Villanova to be one of the teams standing when it's all said and done. Towson is probably the best team.

Which is why I like avoiding UNH & Nova while playing Maine & Towson at UR.

[Nova09]

You have no conclusion... I'm literally hanging on the edge of my seat awaiting Post #34 Part II

I started with "I'm not saying anything definitively..." as in, there is no conclusion, just some thoughts. Sorry for the suspense lol

[Twentysix]

I started with "I'm not saying anything definitively..." as in, there is no conclusion, just some thoughts. Sorry for the suspense lol

:(

[JMUNJ08]

Everyone has forgiven JMU for the STFU game?

Being that we are hard to gauge at this point, little movement from the original poll makes sense. If not for TO's, we dominate Charlotte even more. Are they as good as STFU? Maybe not, but the gap isn't a black hole. I take it as a team coming off a TOUGH road loss to Akron where we felt like a W was in hand and just not getting up for the game until they had to at the end.

Good road game @ Delaware this weekend should begin to lift the unknown from both teams.

[Twentysix]

Being that we are hard to gauge at this point, little movement from the original poll makes sense. If not for TO's, we dominate Charlotte even more. Are they as good as STFU? Maybe not, but the gap isn't a black hole. I take it as a team coming off a TOUGH road loss to Akron where we felt like a W was in hand and just not getting up for the game until they had to at the end.

Good road game @ Delaware this weekend should begin to lift the unknown from both teams.


I feel like if NDSU beat Delaware State by 3 points, people wouldn't continue to rank us #1. I don't see St Francis as really any different than Del State at this point.

It really won't matter until later anyway, just a question about the poll. Maybe it was emotional let down.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Similar, I use word and build my new poll on a page beside my old poll. I typically go through changing the slots of teams from last week and then build around them. I also do copious amounts of peyote and stare into the eyes of the poll deity.

I also usually do 1-30. Then I stare at it and roll a 25 sided die while recanting the prayer to Tlaloc. Somehow NDSU stays #1.
Your methodology is a bit more advanced than mine but I'll try mixing some of that in my work from now on.

[Houndawg]

I don't do a poll and I'm not saying anything definitively, but let's just compare Nova and SIU:

Nova only plays 11 games, so let's just ignore Charleston altogether. So Nova and SIU both played a BCS opponent close but lost. They both then played and unexpected top 10 FCS and lost by 3. SIU then got their win against SeMo (nothing special), Nova got a win against Stony Brook (probably also nothing special but they were ranked at the time). SIU now gets 4 straight ranked opponents, including #1. Nova gets Penn, who we don't know much about bc they're Ivy and only played 1 game, but are receiving many votes; then Nova gets 5 straight ranked, including #2.

Tough schedule. I think ours is a little tougher because three of the next four are Top Ten. Of course that's right now, they may not be Top Ten in a couple weeks but that holds for us both.

[ElCid]

Similar, I use word and build my new poll on a page beside my old poll. I typically go through changing the slots of teams from last week and then build around them. I also do copious amounts of peyote and stare into the eyes of the poll deity.

I also usually do 1-30. Then I stare at it and roll a 25 sided die while recanting the prayer to Tlaloc. Somehow NDSU stays #1.

I use a spread sheet with each week added to the right of the previous so I can see the history. I also have the results and whether it is "a good win" "an expected win" "marginal performance win" or "bad Loss." This includes my 8-10 bubble teams. I copy all the previous ranked teams to the side and move them one at a time into my new poll so I can see that I missed no potentials. Takes a little more time, but elimiates simple mistakes.

[IBleedYellow]

I'm not sure if it would make a difference for you or not IBY but I start with a spreadsheet every week that has my previous ranking listed. I make any notes like (DAMNIT! Left out team X) in the notes under that column along with a list of the next 10-15 teams that I am watching and want to put in there. IOW if you are not using a spreadsheet or some sort of tool to go in and make your ballot up on the poll form you are gonna have troubles my friend. Alos, it's pretty easy to go back to that and just use Supey's how they fared doc to slide any losers to the right and move them accordingly. I'm not talking about slot voting here just sliding them out and having a clear rep of your own poll what happened.

Don't know if it will help ya or not but it's a good starting point and it takes a while to get a good groove down man so don't sweat it.

Yeah, I'm going to have to do a spreadsheet starting next week.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

My method is tiering teams based on how much I can trust them as the season goes on. My poll varies wildly during the first month but, hopefully, changes very little as the weeks go on. I won't penalize certain teams for a tough loss. I don't believe losses, especially against conference foes, are worthy of snap judgements assuming their wasn't a glaring problem.

[mmiller_34]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Towson Tigers
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Fordham Rams
9: Eastern Illinois Panthers
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: North Carolina A&T Aggies
16: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Cal Poly Mustangs
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Samford Bulldogs

Not sold on South Dakota State?

[Professor Chaos]

I finally feel comfortable posting my poll since I've worked most of the personal bias out of it I think. I still have a few teams like UNH and Cal Poly rated pretty high with out much more basis than I think they're going to be very good this year and they haven't done anything to prove me wrong yet.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Towson Tigers
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Fordham Rams
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Wofford Terriers
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Youngstown State Penguins

What did I **** up?

[Twentysix]

I finally feel comfortable posting my poll since I've worked most of the personal bias out of it I think. I still have a few teams like UNH and Cal Poly rated pretty high with out much more basis than I think they're going to be very good this year and they haven't done anything to prove me wrong yet.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Towson Tigers
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Fordham Rams
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Wofford Terriers
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Youngstown State Penguins

What did I **** up?

Everything.

[Professor Chaos]

Everything.
http://socialmedi8r.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/success.jpg

[citdog]

Not sold on South Dakota State?


after Montana throttled UND I dropped them down significantly. they have their chance to get some redemption this week. early season and the movement is fluid.

[Twentysix]

Your methodology is a bit more advanced than mine but I'll try mixing some of that in my work from now on.

http://api.ning.com/files/IfzmGRigZ2hvpshDMn1eeVnFJGzEVENowBsraL3rgJXmTCdl0t 3aWr2vcvXy9I2DxT2m3D7WRMeN0w8RlGnCzjcbVuKOnUBS/PeyoteHealing.jpg
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7825900_f520.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Tlaloc,_Codex_Rios,_p.20r.JPG

Now you're all set to properly participate in the AGS top 25.

[BEAR]

So does Missouri State have a fan website? I mean, they have a nice school and all....

[Twentysix]

So does Missouri State have a fan website? I mean, they have a nice school and all....

Yes, but they are a basketball school.

http://missouristate.247sports.com/Board/Missouri-State-Football-Message-Board-Forum-59469

[McNeese75]

after Montana throttled UND I dropped them down significantly. they have their chance to get some redemption this week. early season and the movement is fluid.

xeyebrowx Am I the only one who cannot figure out the connection between UND getting beat by Montana and not ranking South Dakota State??? xdontknowx

[dbackjon]

xeyebrowx Am I the only one who cannot figure out the connection between UND getting beat by Montana and not ranking South Dakota State??? xdontknowx

SDSU beat UND by 7
Montana beat UND by 38

So, since SDSU struggled to beat a "in his eyes" bad UND, they are not worthy of being ranked

[Twentysix]

xeyebrowx Am I the only one who cannot figure out the connection between UND getting beat by Montana and not ranking South Dakota State??? xdontknowx

UND was a common opponent for UM and SDSU, both teams throttled UND early, SDSU let up towards the end and UND came within a TD at the end of the game.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

UND was a common opponent for MSU and SDSU, both teams throttled UND early, SDSU let up towards the end and UND came within a TD at the end of the game.

Get you letters right richard.

[Twentysix]

Get you letters right richard.

Haha. I was reading the MSU SFA thread right before posting that. I blame it on Gameday, I'm still recovering.

And it's Ricardo to you, gringo.

[FormerPokeCenter]

xeyebrowx Am I the only one who cannot figure out the connection between UND getting beat by Montana and not ranking South Dakota State??? xdontknowx


SDSU only beat UND by 7 points. Montana beat UND, 55-17....I think he's saying that to be ranked, SDSU shoulda beaten UND by a wider margin...

[Twentysix]

SDSU only beat UND by 7 points. Montana beat UND, 55-17....I think he's saying that to be ranked, SDSU shoulda beaten UND by a wider margin...

I have a hunch with some invested time you could apply a similar theory to other teams in his poll. I just don't care enough to actually do it.

[dystopiamembrane]

Here's my vote: (PS What's the excitement with New Hampshire about?)
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Portland State Vikings
22: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Fordham Rams

[McNeese75]

all Right ALL RIGHT ALL RIGHT, quit shouting, I get it now, (don't agree with it but) my apologies to Citdog xbowx

[Twentysix]

Here's my vote: (PS What's the excitement with New Hampshire about?)
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Portland State Vikings
22: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Fordham Rams

I found my SIU buddy.

Pretty sure our points add toghether to SIU #36 lol.

[robsnotes4u]

I finally feel comfortable posting my poll since I've worked most of the personal bias out of it I think. I still have a few teams like UNH and Cal Poly rated pretty high with out much more basis than I think they're going to be very good this year and they haven't done anything to prove me wrong yet.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Towson Tigers
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Fordham Rams
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Wofford Terriers
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Youngstown State Penguins

What did I **** up?

I like this. Agree with Lehigh not being in there, don't know others keep them in. Wofford, like MSU are in a world of hurt with injuries. Watched one Towson game and nothing made me go WOW. Any Given Saturday for those top ten


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[Twentysix]

I like this. Agree with Lehigh not being in there, don't know others keep them in. Wofford, like MSU are in a world of hurt with injuries. Watched one Towson game and nothing made me go WOW. Any Given Saturday for those top ten


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Personally I like football that lacks the wow factor. Towson looked pretty good against UConn. Which one did you watch?


NDSU doesn't wow anyone, they fundamental the crap out of everyone.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

all Right ALL RIGHT ALL RIGHT, quit shouting, I get it now, (don't agree with it but) my apologies to Citdog xbowx

I don't know his extended reasoning but I do have SDSU ranked however one transitive property that sort of sticks with me was that SDSU came away from that game looking more one dimensional than I had previously thought them to be. I do not think they will remain that way but after seeing the way MT turrned it around in one year it did sort of reflect badly on the way SDSU performed at the end of that game the previous week. Make no mistake though I think SDSU should be on the ballot. Even that one dimension is strong enough to win them a lot of games.

[FargoBison]

As usual AGS has the best poll. Good work again this week everyone that voted.

[Houndawg]

SDSU only beat UND by 7 points. Montana beat UND, 55-17....I think he's saying that to be ranked, SDSU shoulda beaten UND by a wider margin...

Need to take into account the Dakota rivalry, imo.

[SDFS]

Need to take into account the Dakota rivalry, imo.

I had to laugh at this post, because SDSU head coach and Argus Leader beat writer downplayed this point and UND is looking to build the Griz/UND game by hosting this game as the annual blackout game. Plus, I think the Griz were looking for some payback after last years game when UND threw for 660 yards. I also noticed that some people stated that SDSU took its foot off the gas. I don't agree with that... UND was stopping themselves - receivers were open and the starting QB was missing open receivers and worse turning over the ball for gimme points to SDSU. UND got a spark when they switched QBs and they started hitting receivers that were open all day.

[LehighU11]

Here's mine. Tough time with 15-25. Good to see AGS recognizing Fordham's success. Bethune-Cookman and Liberty dropped out. Montana State's absence is not accidental. FWIW, I have not ranked Lehigh yet this season.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Fordham Rams
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

[Engineer86]

Here's my vote: (PS What's the excitement with New Hampshire about?)
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Portland State Vikings
22: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Fordham Rams

Fordham at 25, did they squeak in there based on the win over #17 Villanova or was it the Temple win?

Portland St at 21 based on what?

[jacksfan29]

I don't know his extended reasoning but I do have SDSU ranked however one transitive property that sort of sticks with me was that SDSU came away from that game looking more one dimensional than I had previously thought them to be. I do not think they will remain that way but after seeing the way MT turrned it around in one year it did sort of reflect badly on the way SDSU performed at the end of that game the previous week. Make no mistake though I think SDSU should be on the ballot. Even that one dimension is strong enough to win them a lot of games.

Yep, one dimensional; that Austin Sumner is having a terrible year


Austin Sunmer, QB South Dakota State University
2013
4 games
65 completion
107 attempts
60.7 completion %
908 yards
8.5 yds per completion
5 TDS
2 Interceptions

Oh, the two interceptions came against Nebraska, a very angry and motivated Nebraska not Panhandle State.

And yes SDSU did take their foot off the gas against UND which led to the team getting sloppy. It is typical of the SDSU head coach who is a very good guy who doesn't like embarrassing his opponents. It is a bad habit that most of us would like to see him break.

[UNHWildcat18]

Here's my vote: (PS What's the excitement with New Hampshire about?)
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Portland State Vikings
22: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Fordham Rams


Is that a serious question? nine seasons in a row in the playoffs, CO CAA champs last year, Should have beat CMU and Crushed PL champs from last year, I know they haven't had a chance to prove themselves and I'm not saying they are top ten but leaving them out of 10-20 is a joke top 25 is even more of a joke but then again, you have Tennessee Martin and number 12 BCU and CCU ahead of Maine UR and Gardner Webb and Fordham(which is how lower than villanova?) so I don't take the validity of your pole very seriously, however to each his own i guess..

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yep, one dimensional; that Austin Sumner is having a terrible year


Austin Sunmer, QB South Dakota State University
2013
4 games
65 completion
107 attempts
60.7 completion %
908 yards
8.5 yds per completion
5 TDS
2 Interceptions

Oh, the two interceptions came against Nebraska, a very angry and motivated Nebraska not Panhandle State.

And yes SDSU did take their foot off the gas against UND which led to the team getting sloppy. It is typical of the SDSU head coach who is a very good guy who doesn't like embarrassing his opponents. It is a bad habit that most of us would like to see him break.















Apparently you are taking something a little more personally than I intended it to be. I said in that game it just appeared that way and that they are most certainly on my ballot and that even if they were fairly one dimensional it was more than enough to win them a lot of games. Austin Sumner is having a fine year but after seeing the defense of SDSU allow them back in it I did not expect that is all.

[dystopiamembrane]

Fordham at 25, did they squeak in there based on the win over #17 Villanova or was it the Temple win?

Portland St at 21 based on what?
Fordham jumped 11 spots in my latest rankings.
Portland State jumped 10 spots.

Numerous factors contribute to these rankings. Of note for PSU, #13 in offensive power to score; Fordham is #14 in that category.

[dystopiamembrane]

Is that a serious question? nine seasons in a row in the playoffs, CO CAA champs last year, Should have beat CMU and Crushed PL champs from last year, I know they haven't had a chance to prove themselves and I'm not saying they are top ten but leaving them out of 10-20 is a joke top 25 is even more of a joke but then again, you have Tennessee Martin and number 12 BCU and CCU ahead of Maine UR and Gardner Webb and Fordham(which is how lower than villanova?) so I don't take the validity of your pole very seriously, however to each his own i guess..
If they're good, they'll make an appearance in these rankings. The small set of data currently available can skew any consistent ranking system.
I have them at #36 in the rankings. They dropped 10 spots from the previous week, probably because of the 23 points that the PL champs hung on them.
You'll see that this fellow ranks them 45th (after removing ineligibles), http://www.compughterratings.com/FCS/ratings.

[HensRock]

Fire away...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Fordham Rams
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Cal Poly Mustangs
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Montana State Bobcats
19: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
20: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Portland State Vikings
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

[Engineer86]

Fordham jumped 11 spots in my latest rankings.
Portland State jumped 10 spots.

Numerous factors contribute to these rankings. Of note for PSU, #13 in offensive power to score; Fordham is #14 in that category.

Cant argue with a system that rates a team like PSU that high and jumps them 10 spots based on getting their first D1 win.

[dystopiamembrane]

Cant argue with a system that rates a team like PSU that high and jumps them 10 spots based on getting their first D1 win.
I'm excited to see what we get next week!

[Fordham]

Here's my vote: (PS What's the excitement with New Hampshire about?)
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Portland State Vikings
22: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Fordham Rams

How can you possibly justify Villanova being ranked 8 spots higher than us?!?!?!?

[dystopiamembrane]

I don't take the validity of your pole very seriously...
I'm embarrassed by my pole, to tell you the truth.

[Engineer86]

Fire away...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Fordham Rams
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Cal Poly Mustangs
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Montana State Bobcats
19: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
20: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Portland State Vikings
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

Again I question how Portland St is in there

[Fordham]

I'm embarrassed by my pole, to tell you the truth.

<golf clap>

[UIWWildthing]

Too low: Towson
:) I kid I kid.
Overall it looks pretty good, though I'd agree SELA is a bit low and Montana St. a bit high

[Tribal]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Towson Tigers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Fordham Rams
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
16: William & Mary Tribe
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Maine Black Bears
25: James Madison Dukes

Tribal

[UNHWildcat18]

How can you possibly justify Villanova being ranked 8 spots higher than us?!?!?!?

Because he uses some computer system that isnt realistic in ranking teams, like why do you think UT MARTIN is number 12 on this list?

[dystopiamembrane]

How can you possibly justify Villanova being ranked 8 spots higher than us?!?!?!?
Villanova--Defensive power #5, Strength of Schedule #10
Fordham--#82, #54
Sure, Fordham is 4-0, but Rhode Island, a terrible squad, scored 26 points on them, and Temple, a winless team 18 spots lower than Fordham, scored 29.
Villanova scored 14 points against BC, a team 53 spots higher than them, holding them to 24.

[chattownmocs]

Because he uses some computer system that isnt realistic in ranking teams, like why do you think UT MARTIN is number 12 on this list?

Why would UT Martin not be, his poll sucks, UT Martin is not one of the issues. Don't show your ignorance.

[dystopiamembrane]

Why would UT Martin not be, his poll sucks, UT Martin is not one of the issues. Don't show your ignorance.
UT Martin is #17 in the AGS poll. The difference between 12 and 17 in a poll based on human brain tissue is insignificant.

[Squealofthepig]

Villanova--Defensive power #5, Strength of Schedule #10
Fordham--#82, #54
Sure, Fordham is 4-0, but Rhode Island, a terrible squad, scored 26 points on them, and Temple, a winless team 18 spots lower than Fordham, scored 29.
Villanova scored 14 points against BC, a team 53 spots higher than them, holding them to 24.

Honestly, I like the methodology; a lot of us are looking at w/l's and doing some guesswork instead of evaluating for true weaknesses. It's not how I rank personally, but do appreciate this approach (I had Fordham at 11 and 'Nova at 17 in my poll, for transparency sake).

[robsnotes4u]

Personally I like football that lacks the wow factor. Towson looked pretty good against UConn. Which one did you watch?


NDSU doesn't wow anyone, they fundamental the crap out of everyone.

Same game, but only watched maybe half the game. I was bouncing around watching three or four games, I think that was the same weekend Lehigh had the crazy game.

They do have a great back. NDSU is as fundamentally sound as you can get.


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[frozennorth]

I had to laugh at this post, because SDSU head coach and Argus Leader beat writer downplayed this point and UND is looking to build the Griz/UND game by hosting this game as the annual blackout game. Plus, I think the Griz were looking for some payback after last years game when UND threw for 660 yards. I also noticed that some people stated that SDSU took its foot off the gas. I don't agree with that... UND was stopping themselves - receivers were open and the starting QB was missing open receivers and worse turning over the ball for gimme points to SDSU. UND got a spark when they switched QBs and they started hitting receivers that were open all day.
sdsu could barely move the ball in the fourth. sumner couldn't hit a brick wall and their receivers couldn't catch a cold. he was 0-5 in the fourth

[JMUNJ08]

Had to take 2 weeks off (not my choice, THANKS WORK) so would definitely like some feedback. Not overally happy with it, but hard to guage teams who have only played 2 games to those with 4 and FBS/ cupcakes thrown in. Although I'm surprised Bethune isn't in more polls with the easy win over FIU and the only L being to Florida State (honestly, FCS goes 0-fer if everyone had a crack). Have at it!

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Fordham Rams
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: James Madison Dukes
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Maine Black Bears
19: Cal Poly Mustangs
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: Central Arkansas Bears

[mmiller_34]

sdsu could barely move the ball in the fourth. sumner couldn't hit a brick wall and their receivers couldn't catch a cold. he was 0-5 in the fourth

Yah. We only ran 5 pass plays because we were up three scores. Again, Stig has a bad habit of taking his foot off the gas and giving the momentum back to the other team.

[ccd494]

Villanova--Defensive power #5, Strength of Schedule #10
Fordham--#82, #54
Sure, Fordham is 4-0, but Rhode Island, a terrible squad, scored 26 points on them, and Temple, a winless team 18 spots lower than Fordham, scored 29.
Villanova scored 14 points against BC, a team 53 spots higher than them, holding them to 24.

Villanova scored 24 points against Fordham who scored 27 points against Villanova.

[dystopiamembrane]

Villanova scored 24 points against Fordham who scored 27 points against Villanova.
Correct, statistically a wash, so what are the other factors that determine separation of these two teams?

[Fordham]

Villanova--Defensive power #5, Strength of Schedule #10
Fordham--#82, #54
Sure, Fordham is 4-0, but Rhode Island, a terrible squad, scored 26 points on them, and Temple, a winless team 18 spots lower than Fordham, scored 29.
Villanova scored 14 points against BC, a team 53 spots higher than them, holding them to 24.

Where did you have Stony Brook after their win over URI?

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Here's mine. Tough time with 15-25. Good to see AGS recognizing Fordham's success. Bethune-Cookman and Liberty dropped out. Montana State's absence is not accidental. FWIW, I have not ranked Lehigh yet this season.

So Bethune-Cookman loses to Florida St. and that drops them out? Interesting... I'd hate to know what you did to JMU when they lost to Akron... Oh wait, we're #13. Makes sense.

See, we're not all homers out there! xthumbsupx

[superman7515]

Correct, statistically a wash, so what are the other factors that determine separation of these two teams?

W > L

[dystopiamembrane]

Where did you have Stony Brook after their win over URI?
Stony Brook was my #24 after that weekend. They dropped 4 spots from the previous week.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Here is my week 4 ballot...destroy as you deem necessary:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Towson Tigers
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Eastern Illinois Panthers
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Fordham Rams
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Wofford Terriers

[eaglessoar20021]

I like.



1
North Dakota St.


2
Towson


3
Eastern Washington


4
Sam Houston St.


5
Northern Iowa


6
Eastern Illinois


7
Montana


8
McNeese St


9
Fordham


10
South Dakota St


11
New Hampshire


12
Coastal Carolina


13
Montana St.


14
Tennessee-Martin


15
Central Arkansas


16
James Madison


17
Bethune-Cookman


18
Youngstown St


19
Gardner-Webb


20
Cal Poly


21
Maine


22
Wofford


23
William & Mary


24
Jacksonville State


25
North Carolina A&T

[rokamortis]

I know wins and losses aren't equal - but come week 3 or 4, I have a hard time justifying ranking a team with a losing record. In another week or two I'll have a problem with those that have neutral records. Teams can improve by winning, but I want to see the results on the field. Anyone strongly disagree?

[Fordham]

Here is my week 4 ballot...destroy as you deem necessary:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Towson Tigers
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Eastern Illinois Panthers
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Fordham Rams
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Wofford Terriers
'Nova beat up on Stony Brook pretty well this past weekend. Tough to see SB in there still imo. Is it just w/l record keeping 'Nova out?

[bjtheflamesfan]

Pretty much. Folks got all butthurt over a winless Nova being ranked so I moved them out...they are on my top 5 back in for next week with a win depending on how the bottom third does

[Professor Chaos]

I know wins and losses aren't equal - but come week 3 or 4, I have a hard time justifying ranking a team with a losing record. In another week or two I'll have a problem with those that have neutral records. Teams can improve by winning, but I want to see the results on the field. Anyone strongly disagree?
I don't believe in punishing teams for playing and losing reasonably to FBS teams like Cal Poly has done. I'm expecting Cal Poly to be a top 15 team this year and they haven't done anything to prove me wrong yet despite the fact that they're 1-2. Needless to say they'll need to prove me correct for me to maintain them at that spot with their upcoming FCS schedule but there's too many FBS games early on to get bent out of shape about W/L record this early.

[dbackjon]

Here's mine. Tough time with 15-25. Good to see AGS recognizing Fordham's success. Bethune-Cookman and Liberty dropped out. Montana State's absence is not accidental. FWIW, I have not ranked Lehigh yet this season.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Fordham Rams
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Maine Black Bears
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies


Pretty heavy ECB there - only three ranked Big Sky teams, but 7 CAA? hmmm

[dbackjon]

Cant argue with a system that rates a team like PSU that high and jumps them 10 spots based on getting their first D1 win.


Villanova and UNH only have one D1 win as well. Your point?

UNH has a close loss to one of the worst teams in FBS (EMU).

PSU has a close loss to a BCS team (Cal)

UNH has a win over a horrid Colgate.
PSU has wins over three teams that would beat Colgate.

Why question one but not the other?

[LehighU11]

Pretty heavy ECB there - only three ranked Big Sky teams, but 7 CAA? hmmm

Fair comment. But it's worth noting that there are 2 CAA and 2 Big Sky teams in my top 10. #2 Towson, #3 EWU, #9 UNH, #10 Montana. 3 MVFC, 1 Patriot, 1 Southland, and 1 OVC makes my top 10 pretty well-represented.

2-2 Montana St. has 1 D1 win against a weak Monmouth and didn't impress against a D2 team. NAU hasn't impressed yet. Unlike the CAA, most of the Big Sky teams have played at least 1 D2 team for their OOC. It's still early, that's why I mentioned that I had a tough time outside of the top 10.

[msupokes1]

Here is my week 4 ballot...destroy as you deem necessary:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Towson Tigers
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Eastern Illinois Panthers
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Fordham Rams
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Youngstown State Penguins
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Wofford Terriers

I am just curious how you determine your poll. You have McNeese(4-0) at #16. You have Central Arkansas(2-2) at #12. Central Arkansas has done nothing this year to be at #12. Most of their fans would agree with that. They are completely depleted by injuries. In addition to that you have Montana State ahead of McNeese. Montana State just lost to SFA by 2 touchdowns. SFA lost to Weber state, a team McNeese just beat 43-6. I guess I just don't understand the logic.

[dbackjon]

Fair comment. But it's worth noting that there are 2 CAA and 2 Big Sky teams in my top 10. #2 Towson, #3 EWU, #9 UNH, #10 Montana. 3 MVFC, 1 Patriot, 1 Southland, and 1 OVC makes my top 10 pretty well-represented.

2-2 Montana St. has 1 D1 win against a weak Monmouth and didn't impress against a D2 team. NAU hasn't impressed yet. Unlike the CAA, most of the Big Sky teams have played at least 1 D2 team for their OOC. It's still early, that's why I mentioned that I had a tough time outside of the top 10.

Big Sky teams don't have the luxury of scheduling too many (if any) NEC/etc teams.

What has say, JMU done to warrant a ranking?
Wins over 1-3 CCSU, the 4 point win over St. Francis (who has no DI wins), or the win over the first year Charlotte team?

[McNeese72]

I am just curious how you determine your poll. You have McNeese(4-0) at #16. You have Central Arkansas(2-2) at #12. Central Arkansas has done nothing this year to be at #12. Most of their fans would agree with that. They are completely depleted by injuries. In addition to that you have Montana State ahead of McNeese. Montana State just lost to SFA by 2 touchdowns. SFA lost to Weber state, a team McNeese just beat 43-6. I guess I just don't understand the logic.

SOS? We haven't played anybody yet. ;)


Doc

[msupokes1]

Doc-

I certainly understand the SOS thing. McNeese might be the 16th best team. Hey they might not even be that good. I don't know yet. I think based on what has happened so far they have been better than Montana State and Central Arkansas. Notice I said based on what we have seen so far. Things can change very quickly. We might find out this weekend that McNeese is terrible. Who knows?

[ElCid]

I know wins and losses aren't equal - but come week 3 or 4, I have a hard time justifying ranking a team with a losing record. In another week or two I'll have a problem with those that have neutral records. Teams can improve by winning, but I want to see the results on the field. Anyone strongly disagree?

Yeah, I disagree at least a little bit. It is too simple to put a cutoff week when a team need a certain record. By week 4 you still have too many FBS games to throw in the mix which can skew records, especially this year with some scheduling 2. Does anyone think that if E Washington had lost to Oregon St, say by a point, and they were at 1-2 instead of 2-1 that they should not be ranked? It is week 4 and they had 2 FBS, a cupcake, and a bye. N Iowa was a great example of this last year. They had a losing record early due to 2 FBS games which they played very respectable. I would have voted for them at least until game 4 when they lost to Youngstown. Now as last season went on, and they lost a couple more quickly, a lot of folks still voted for them when they had a horrible record and I think that it got a little too ridiculous. Were they better than some teams in the poll? I have no doubt that they would have smacked some of the teams in the 20-25 range badly. But the Ws and Ls mean something.

I will at least consider the competition and score, especially against FBS during the early part of the season. Likewise, anyone who schedules all DIV II/III or some FCS cupcakes early to go 3-0 or 4-0 does not earn much traction with me. They may be ranked, but it is easy for me to jump other teams over those teams with questionable schedules. I would say a 3-3 is possible and even a 4-4 record, however unlikely, depending upon the schedule/results. Maybe once in a lustrum. But there would have to be some serious extenuating circumstances in regard to schedule strength. A 4-5 or 5-5 record, never. By that time, you are not even winning conf games regardless of what happened early.

The problem with ranking teams really rests on the diversity of scheduling strength among all the FCS programs early in the season. But without it we would not have so much fun discussing it.:D

[msupokes1]

Here's my vote: (PS What's the excitement with New Hampshire about?)
1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
11: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Wofford Terriers
21: Portland State Vikings
22: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Fordham Rams

I think Massey Ratings might have copied your poll. xlolx
http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf2013&sub=11605

[LehighU11]

Big Sky teams don't have the luxury of scheduling too many (if any) NEC/etc teams.

What has say, JMU done to warrant a ranking?
Wins over 1-3 CCSU, the 4 point win over St. Francis (who has no DI wins), or the win over the first year Charlotte team?

They have 3 D1 wins and took Akron (who very nearly upset #11 Michigan) to the wire. JMU was very strong last year beating Towson and Maine on the road. To me, they have a lot of potential again this year.

NAU has plenty of opportunity to prove its worth over the next two weeks, as does Montana St. If they win, I'll being ranking them again. Two weeks ago I had 5 CAA (mostly 15-25) and 5 Big Sky (all in top 20) teams ranked.

[dystopiamembrane]

I think Massey Ratings might have copied your poll. xlolx
http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf2013&sub=11605
We're mates.

[ElCid]

Big Sky teams don't have the luxury of scheduling too many (if any) NEC/etc teams.

What has say, JMU done to warrant a ranking?
Wins over 1-3 CCSU, the 4 point win over St. Francis (who has no DI wins), or the win over the first year Charlotte team?

There is no doubt that JMU is living on a little reputation still, like many teams in the top 25. The only teams earning their ranking only on performance include Fordam, Gardner Webb, McNeese, Tenn-Martin, Maine, and W&M. I may have missed one or two, but these were not ranked last year and have not benefited from a sense of "ranking entitlement." (Note: I did not include Montana after last year's hiccup--their ranking entitlement seems inherent.xbowx)

But I think the same can be said for NAU living a little on reputation.

Stomped by Arizona that nobody knows how good they are because they have not played anybody of worth yet
Beat a bad 0-4 UC Davis in the 4th quarter in a game that was way closer than the score indicates
Beat a bad 1-2 SD team by 6, at home.

Reputation points for both JMU, NAU, and whole bunch of other ranked teams will need to be replaced this Saturday with Ws.

[dbackjon]

There is no doubt that JMU is living on a little reputation still, like many teams in the top 25. The only teams earning their ranking only on performance include Fordam, Gardner Webb, McNeese, Tenn-Martin, Maine, and W&M. I may have missed one or two, but these were not ranked last year and have not benefited from a sense of "ranking entitlement." (Note: I did not include Montana after last year's hiccup--their ranking entitlement seems inherent.xbowx)

But I think the same can be said for NAU living a little on reputation.

Stomped by Arizona that nobody knows how good they are because they have not played anybody of worth yet
Beat a bad 0-4 UC Davis in the 4th quarter in a game that was way closer than the score indicates
Beat a bad 1-2 SD team by 6, at home.

Reputation points for both JMU, NAU, and whole bunch of other ranked teams will need to be replaced this Saturday with Ws.

I haven't advocated for NAU to be ranked this year. Win this Saturday, I will. Until they play a better caliber of team, NAU is in that 20-35 range - could be ranked, no reason to complain if in 20-25 range, no reason to complain if not.

[rokamortis]

Yeah, I disagree at least a little bit. It is too simple to put a cutoff week when a team need a certain record. By week 4 you still have too many FBS games to throw in the mix which can skew records, especially this year with some scheduling 2. Does anyone think that if E Washington had lost to Oregon St, say by a point, and they were at 1-2 instead of 2-1 that they should not be ranked? It is week 4 and they had 2 FBS, a cupcake, and a bye. N Iowa was a great example of this last year. They had a losing record early due to 2 FBS games which they played very respectable. I would have voted for them at least until game 4 when they lost to Youngstown. Now as last season went on, and they lost a couple more quickly, a lot of folks still voted for them when they had a horrible record and I think that it got a little too ridiculous. Were they better than some teams in the poll? I have no doubt that they would have smacked some of the teams in the 20-25 range badly. But the Ws and Ls mean something.

I will at least consider the competition and score, especially against FBS during the early part of the season. Likewise, anyone who schedules all DIV II/III or some FCS cupcakes early to go 3-0 or 4-0 does not earn much traction with me. They may be ranked, but it is easy for me to jump other teams over those teams with questionable schedules. I would say a 3-3 is possible and even a 4-4 record, however unlikely, depending upon the schedule/results. Maybe once in a lustrum. But there would have to be some serious extenuating circumstances in regard to schedule strength. A 4-5 or 5-5 record, never. By that time, you are not even winning conf games regardless of what happened early.

The problem with ranking teams really rests on the diversity of scheduling strength among all the FCS programs early in the season. But without it we would not have so much fun discussing it.:D

Your last sentence is really the best point - no matter what methodology you choose there is room for error and interpretation. Everything should work out towards the end but I just feel that I should recognize those that actually win and then adjust depending on if they continue to win or not. You have to take into account the quality of those wins and rank accordingly.

[ElCid]

I haven't advocated for NAU to be ranked this year. Win this Saturday, I will. Until they play a better caliber of team, NAU is in that 20-35 range - could be ranked, no reason to complain if in 20-25 range, no reason to complain if not.

If they win this weekend I will rank them also.

[HensRock]

Again I question how Portland St is in there

1. They are 3-1.
2. Their WORST offensive output was 30 points against Cal.
3. Yes, they played 2 Div-II but won both convincingly.
4. UC Davis is respectable FCS and they beat them by 30+ points.
5. I could only think of 22 teams with better resumes at this point in season.

[Engineer86]

Correct, statistically a wash, so what are the other factors that determine separation of these two teams?

Does a team beating another team have any impact on the system. My issue is that comparative scoring carrying enough weight to have the losing team 8 spots higher than a winning team with a solid resume

[Engineer86]

'Nova beat up on Stony Brook pretty well this past weekend. Tough to see SB in there still imo. Is it just w/l record keeping 'Nova out?

If I got here before citdog, I will point out that Lehigh is even higher than Stony Brook and we have not played a full game since Thanksgiving weekend 2012.

[Engineer86]

Villanova and UNH only have one D1 win as well. Your point?

UNH has a close loss to one of the worst teams in FBS (EMU).

PSU has a close loss to a BCS team (Cal)

UNH has a win over a horrid Colgate.
PSU has wins over three teams that would beat Colgate.

Why question one but not the other?

Sure your first DI win over an 0-4 team, and you talk about someone ECB, only word for you is "mirror"

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

If they're good, they'll make an appearance in these rankings. The small set of data currently available can skew any consistent ranking system.
I have them at #36 in the rankings. They dropped 10 spots from the previous week, probably because of the 23 points that the PL champs hung on them.
You'll see that this fellow ranks them 45th (after removing ineligibles), http://www.compughterratings.com/FCS/ratings.

That's the problem with only looking at scores and not doing some research into the games. Did you even bother to look at the box score and see that it was 40-6 at halftime? I can tell you from watching the game in person that second stringers were playing before halftime! I think the first string got one series apiece in the second half. By the fourth quarter I saw guys who would be third string getting significant minutes on defense. And for the record even the six points Colgate scored in the first half where on a short field after UNH fumbled a punt return that should have been fair caught. Maybe one gambles with a big lead? I guess UNH should have played like FBS schools and ran up the score so they get voted higher in the polls! xrolleyesx Would 72-14 have got your attention? xrotatehx Sorry, Coach Mac doesn't play that game.

In all fairness, I don't vote in the poll any longer because I travel to all the games, home games are 2:45 each way, and I work on Sundays. That doesn't leave time to do research beyond final scores which is necessary to really evaluate teams. When I did vote though, if my evaluation was significantly different than the mainstream as we got deeper into the season, I had to adjust my evaluation of said team. Maybe you'll get to say "I told you so" when we get to November, thankfully play on the field will determine things. After a couple more weeks if you continue to have a team at 36 and the vast majority of the "world" has them in the 9-14 range, you have to accept that your opinion is an aberration.

FWIW, those Compughterratings have been one of the worst rankings seen in the opinion of most on AGS. I sure wouldn't be arguing anything with them as substantiation.

[Engineer86]

That's the problem with only looking at scores and not doing some research into the games. Did you even bother to look at the box score and see that it was 40-6 at halftime? I can tell you from watching the game in person that second stringers were playing before halftime! I think the first string got one series apiece in the second half. By the fourth quarter I saw guys who would be third string getting significant minutes on defense. And for the record even the six points Colgate scored in the first half where on a short field after UNH fumbled a punt return that should have been fair caught. Maybe one gambles with a big lead? I guess UNH should have played like FBS schools and ran up the score so they get voted higher in the polls! xrolleyesx Would 72-14 have got your attention? xrotatehx Sorry, Coach Mac doesn't play that game.

In all fairness, I don't vote in the poll any longer because I travel to all the games, home games are 2:45 each way, and I work on Sundays. That doesn't leave time to do research beyond final scores which is necessary to really evaluate teams. When I did vote though, if my evaluation was significantly different than the mainstream as we got deeper into the season, I had to adjust my evaluation of said team. Maybe you'll get to say "I told you so" when we get to November, thankfully play on the field will determine things. After a couple more weeks if you continue to have a team at 36 and the vast majority of the "world" has them in the 9-14 range, you have to accept that your opinion is an aberration.

FWIW, those Compughterratings have been one of the worst rankings seen in the opinion of most on AGS. I sure wouldn't be arguing anything with them as substantiation.

Coming down this weekend?

[dbackjon]

Sure your first DI win over an 0-4 team, and you talk about someone ECB, only word for you is "mirror"

PSU is 3-1. Not many choices out there.

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Villanova and UNH only have one D1 win as well. Your point?

UNH has a close loss to one of the worst teams in FBS (EMU).

PSU has a close loss to a BCS team (Cal)

UNH has a win over a horrid Colgate.
PSU has wins over three teams that would beat Colgate.

Why question one but not the other?

For the record, UNH lost on a field goal as time expired to Central Michigan not Eastern Michigan. FWIW, Central is not as bad as Eastern Michigan. And personally I don't prescribe to the theory that FCS teams should always beat a bad FBS team. They still have 22 more scholarships, the home field, refs from their league, etc. I don't understand why so many on AGS criticize a FCS team's performance when they don't beat a lower FBS team. The FBS team is virtually always the favorite in these games! xconfusedx xconfusedx

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Coming down this weekend?

Absolutely!! Will be in parking area 60/61 IIRC. Plan to stop by Ngineer's tailgate.

[FargoBison]

What did the voting by conference look like this week?

[superman7515]

Pretty sure Ursus said last week he was only going to do that once.

[Lehigh'98]

That's the problem with only looking at scores and not doing some research into the games. Did you even bother to look at the box score and see that it was 40-6 at halftime? I can tell you from watching the game in person that second stringers were playing before halftime! I think the first string got one series apiece in the second half. By the fourth quarter I saw guys who would be third string getting significant minutes on defense. And for the record even the six points Colgate scored in the first half where on a short field after UNH fumbled a punt return that should have been fair caught. Maybe one gambles with a big lead? I guess UNH should have played like FBS schools and ran up the score so they get voted higher in the polls! xrolleyesx Would 72-14 have got your attention? xrotatehx Sorry, Coach Mac doesn't play that game.

In all fairness, I don't vote in the poll any longer because I travel to all the games, home games are 2:45 each way, and I work on Sundays. That doesn't leave time to do research beyond final scores which is necessary to really evaluate teams. When I did vote though, if my evaluation was significantly different than the mainstream as we got deeper into the season, I had to adjust my evaluation of said team. Maybe you'll get to say "I told you so" when we get to November, thankfully play on the field will determine things. After a couple more weeks if you continue to have a team at 36 and the vast majority of the "world" has them in the 9-14 range, you have to accept that your opinion is an aberration.

FWIW, those Compughterratings have been one of the worst rankings seen in the opinion of most on AGS. I sure wouldn't be arguing anything with them as substantiation.

if u come by the Rust Pavilion, the 98 & 93 teams will be tailgating there, we can get you some beers and food! Always enjoy talking to opposing fans....

[Engineer86]

Absolutely!! Will be in parking area 60/61 IIRC. Plan to stop by Ngineer's tailgate.

I should stop over there sometime, I have never run into any of the "le high masses" at a game.

[FargoBison]

Pretty sure Ursus said last week he was only going to do that once.

I guess I missed him posting that, I'm sure it is a lot of work. Glad he posted it last week though, was interesting to look at.

[JMUNJ08]

There is no doubt that JMU is living on a little reputation still, like many teams in the top 25. The only teams earning their ranking only on performance include Fordam, Gardner Webb, McNeese, Tenn-Martin, Maine, and W&M. I may have missed one or two, but these were not ranked last year and have not benefited from a sense of "ranking entitlement." (Note: I did not include Montana after last year's hiccup--their ranking entitlement seems inherent.xbowx)

But I think the same can be said for NAU living a little on reputation.

Stomped by Arizona that nobody knows how good they are because they have not played anybody of worth yet
Beat a bad 0-4 UC Davis in the 4th quarter in a game that was way closer than the score indicates
Beat a bad 1-2 SD team by 6, at home.

Reputation points for both JMU, NAU, and whole bunch of other ranked teams will need to be replaced this Saturday with Ws.

This is a good overview of why JMU is ranked where they are. If anyone thought they should be any less than 3-1 (4-0 maybe better odds than most against FBS but not a gimme) you would be crazy. 3 cupcakes to get the COUNTABLE win total up but now have to take care of business in conference. Another team without much to REALLY show yet in Delaware this weekend will give voters/ fans a better idea of where the season is heading.

[Tribal]

This is a good overview of why JMU is ranked where they are. If anyone thought they should be any less than 3-1 (4-0 maybe better odds than most against FBS but not a gimme) you would be crazy. 3 cupcakes to get the COUNTABLE win total up but now have to take care of business in conference. Another team without much to REALLY show yet in Delaware this weekend will give voters/ fans a better idea of where the season is heading.

This holds true for a few CAA teams to include W&M. The meat of the season starts in 3 days...W&M will beat Bye College.

[LoneStar]

I think the NEC is an improving league. No shame in a bit of a tussle imo....

The CAA is about to eat each other up. I'm interested to see how it works out. I still like Villanova to be one of the teams standing when it's all said and done. Towson is probably the best team.

Towson plays UNH and Nova back to back at home, the two teams that they beat thoroughly last year yet the selection committee chose one while the other had the automatic bid by default. I would expect the most physically, violent level of football from this team over those two weeks, make no mistake about it... the selection process is fresh in their memory and the entire program and fan base is pissed.

[van]

Results for 09/23/2013 AGS Poll:



1
North Dakota State Bison
1849
73


2
Towson Tigers
1723



3
Eastern Washington Eagles
1688
1


4
Northern Iowa Panthers
1550



5
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1528



6
Montana Grizzlies
1376



7
Eastern Illinois Panthers
1299



8
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1236



9
Fordham Rams
1235



10
McNeese State Cowboys
1154



11
New Hampshire Wildcats
1058



12
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
925



13
Montana State Bobcats
744



14
James Madison Dukes
661



15
Cal Poly Mustangs
632



16
Central Arkansas Bears
583



17
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
487



18
Wofford Terriers
453



19
Villanova Wildcats
431



20
Youngstown State Penguins
426



21
Maine Black Bears
378



22
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
367



23
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
364



24
William & Mary Tribe
362



25
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
254
















Most Significant Win:





Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs











Most Significant Loss:





Montana State Bobcats











ORV:




26
Richmond Spiders
182



27
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
170



28
Stony Brook Seawolves
168



29
North Carolina A&T Aggies
127



30T
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
108



30T
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
108



32
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
58



33
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
56



34
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
41



35
Portland State Vikings
39



36
Southern Illinois Salukis
38



37
Samford Bulldogs
35



38
Chattanooga Mocs
33



39
Illinois State Redbirds
29



40
Tennessee State Tigers
21





Wonder if Lehigh can crack the top 25 this week. Probably not, pollsters in this poll are much more astute than coaches or media.

[mainejeff]

Wonder if Lehigh can crack the top 25 this week. Probably not, pollsters in this poll are much more astute than coaches or media.

I hope that coaches, SIDs and the media continue to keep Maine unranked........so far it has worked out pretty good.:)