2013 Preseason Walter Payton Names Announced

[smallcollegefbfan]

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/fcsawards/index.aspx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Interesting. No Heinecke (from ODU), but Jamal Jackson (ASU) and Jerrick McKinnon (GSU) are present. This will be interesting to see how this is justified.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Interesting. No Heinecke (from ODU), but Jamal Jackson (ASU) and Jerrick McKinnon (GSU) are present. This will be interesting to see how this is justified.

Because they have all declared and filed their FBS moves.

That was easy

[pike51]

Interesting. No Heinecke (from ODU), but Jamal Jackson (ASU) and Jerrick McKinnon (GSU) are present. This will be interesting to see how this is justified.

My guess would be the number of FBS level teams on the ODU schedule. 5 of 12 games against FBS level competition. It would be "expected" that playing "up" at a higher level means Heinecke may struggle, and I do not mean that as a pot shot at ODU. Either that or they do not have enough FCS teams on the schedule to qualify him for such an award.

Honestly though, I think playing 5 FBS teams this season is good for ODU in the long run as it may better prepare them for a full FBS season next year.

[PaladinFan]

Never will happen in these lists, but I'd make an argument that Furman's OT Dakota Dozier is as good an offensive player as anyone in the SoCon. He just doesn't get to touch the football often.

[BisonFan02]

Color me surprised that everyone's favorite "serviceable" QB Jensen made the list. :D

[pike51]

Never will happen in these lists, but I'd make an argument that Furman's OT Dakota Dozier is as good an offensive player as anyone in the SoCon. He just doesn't get to touch the football often.

Unfortunately, you won't see lineman in this type of award. But I'll admit, that kid is a hell of a player. Too bad he's wearing purple. ;)

[Sammy94]

Flanders hasn't worn #16 since 2010, seems like the Sports Network could have a more recent photo.

[Herder]

Color me surprised that everyone's favorite "serviceable" QB Jensen made the list. :D

Since when are championships more important than a gawdy stat page? Ridiculous selection by a serviceable player at best! :D

[smallcollegefbfan]

Never will happen in these lists, but I'd make an argument that Furman's OT Dakota Dozier is as good an offensive player as anyone in the SoCon. He just doesn't get to touch the football often.

Honestly, if you are truly putting the 20 best offensive players in the country then Dozier and Stony Brook OT Michael Bamiro should be on the list. It's tough for offensive linemen though and I don't think either has the resume on paper that would get them votes. If Dozier had been first-team All-SoCon as a sophomore and then a unanimous All-American last year he would be a huge snub, on paper.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Since when are championships more important than a gawdy stat page? Ridiculous selection by a serviceable player at best! :D

I don't think he is just "serviceable at best". He is not a big time stud who I would expect to go in the SEC or ACC and be a star and I would not say he is a top 3 QB in FCS but I do think he's a good player. He is mobile, finds the open man, and is the leader of that offense. He just isn't that freak athlete with a great arm who puts up gaudy numbers.

Last year in 15 games he threw for 2,331 yards, 17 TDs, 8 INTs, and 61.2 completion percentage. He was 2nd team All-MVFC and an HM All-MVFC pick in 2011 with 2,524 yards and a 14-4 ratio. You could argue that he was better as a sophomore when you consider they played 15 games and he had 2,524 yards with 14 TDs and just 4 INTs.

Based on stats he is not a top 10 returning QB in FCS but he's the ultimate field general and a really solid player who will not only help you win by making good decisions he doesn't lose them with bad decisions either. Jensen is a good player and someone who I think deserves to be on the Payton list because of his career but if you are purely talking about the best players such as players with next level potential or star power I think you could argue that Crockett, Ojuri, and Billy Turner are bigger individual stars at their respective positions. I know that Turner could potentially find himself getting drafted in the late rounds while Ojuri and Crockett are more talented than former NDSU combine invite Pat Paschall.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I don't think he is just "serviceable at best". He is not a big time stud who I would expect to go in the SEC or ACC and be a star and I would not say he is a top 3 QB in FCS but I do think he's a good player. He is mobile, finds the open man, and is the leader of that offense. He just isn't that freak athlete with a great arm who puts up gaudy numbers.

Last year in 15 games he threw for 2,331 yards, 17 TDs, 8 INTs, and 61.2 completion percentage. He was 2nd team All-MVFC and an HM All-MVFC pick in 2011 with 2,524 yards and a 14-4 ratio. You could argue that he was better as a sophomore when you consider they played 15 games and he had 2,524 yards with 14 TDs and just 4 INTs.

Based on stats he is not a top 10 returning QB in FCS but he's the ultimate field general and a really solid player who will not only help you win by making good decisions he doesn't lose them with bad decisions either. Jensen is a good player and someone who I think deserves to be on the Payton list because of his career but if you are purely talking about the best players such as players with next level potential or star power I think you could argue that Crockett, Ojuri, and Billy Turner are bigger individual stars at their respective positions. I know that Turner could potentially find himself getting drafted in the late rounds while Ojuri and Crockett are more talented than former NDSU combine invite Pat Paschall.

Ojuri and Crockett will, like most NDSU backs, be obscured by the 2 back system. It's been a staple of NDSU's offense.

[dbackjon]

Can Zach bring home NAU's second Payton Award?

I think he has a good shot at it

[dbackjon]

Interesting. No Heinecke (from ODU), but Jamal Jackson (ASU) and Jerrick McKinnon (GSU) are present. This will be interesting to see how this is justified.



ODU is in their first transition year to FBS - not really FCS, not really FBS.

[TheRevSFA]

Flanders hasn't worn #16 since 2010, seems like the Sports Network could have a more recent photo.

They aren't so bright over there

[smallcollegefbfan]

Ojuri and Crockett will, like most NDSU backs, be obscured by the 2 back system. It's been a staple of NDSU's offense.

Yup. I think if they had a primary RB he would be the Payton guy, not Jensen. With the two back system and the fact NDSU just wins behind great line play, a quarterback who doesn't make any mistakes hardly, and a great coaching staff you have the perfect storm for a team with really no gaudy stat guy for the Payton.

[PaladinFan]

Honestly, if you are truly putting the 20 best offensive players in the country then Dozier and Stony Brook OT Michael Bamiro should be on the list. It's tough for offensive linemen though and I don't think either has the resume on paper that would get them votes. If Dozier had been first-team All-SoCon as a sophomore and then a unanimous All-American last year he would be a huge snub, on paper.

You may remember that Furman had an OT a few years ago named Joel Bell. His first year with the program, he garnered the SoCon "freshman of the week award." That is still the only time I can remember an OL getting an award for his play that was not associated solely with blocking. Complete rarity to see a lineman beat out a bunch of specialists and tackle makers.

[smallcollegefbfan]

They aren't so bright over there

That may not be TSN. It could be that's the only picture SHSU gave TSN. I don't know. Just guessing because I know that TSN usually asks each school for a picture so I don't see why TSN would use an old one if SHSU sent a newer head shot.

[danefan]

ODU is in their first transition year to FBS - not really FCS, not really FBS.

Yup. From the article.


Old Dominion, whose quarterback Taylor Heinicke captured the 2012 Payton Award, is not eligible for the top FCS honor this season as it transitions out of the FCS as an independent. Players from FBS-bound Appalachian State and Georgia Southern, both still Southern Conference members, are eligible.

[smallcollegefbfan]

You may remember that Furman had an OT a few years ago named Joel Bell. His first year with the program, he garnered the SoCon "freshman of the week award." That is still the only time I can remember an OL getting an award for his play that was not associated solely with blocking. Complete rarity to see a lineman beat out a bunch of specialists and tackle makers.

I'll be honest though while I remember that about Bell as well and he was good I don't think he is in the class of Dozier. Bell was really beat up by his senior year, stiff, and didn't have a good NFL grade on my board by the end of his senior year. I went from ranking him as a 6th-7th rounder preseason to failing him medically and listing him as a free agent. He didn't last long because of injuries. I don't think Dozier is beat up like that and a better athlete than Bell anyway. If Bell had been on the Payton list then it would be a crime to see Dozier left off.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Old Dominion, whose quarterback Taylor Heinicke captured the 2012 Payton Award, is not eligible for the top FCS honor this season as it transitions out of the FCS as an independent. Players from FBS-bound Appalachian State and Georgia Southern, both still Southern Conference members, are eligible.

An elaborate fudge. Since ODU is an FCS independent, they are ineligible, but GSU and ASU are "part of the Southern Conference", so they are.

http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=21500&ATCLID=206946378


In the first year of the reclassification process (2013), Appalachian State will play a full Southern Conference schedule but will be ineligible for participation in the NCAA Division I Football Championship. Appalachian will also be ineligible to officially win the Southern Conference title, as the league would forfeit its automatic berth in the Division I Football Championship if its champion were ineligible to participate in the postseason.

So, reclassifying, playing with more than 63 scholarships and being an FCS independent - ineligible. Reclassifying, playing with more than 63 scholarships and "playing a full SoCon Schedule" - OK. Let's pause and realize how unprecedented this is.

[ODU Oldtimer]

ODU is in their first transition year to FBS - not really FCS, not really FBS.

So is Appy St. and GA Southern .

All three Schools share the same time line. The three (ASU, GSU and ODU), are in their 1st year of transition from FCS to FBS.

Maybe the number, or lack of FCS games ODU scheduled for 2013. There may be some rule or requirement for a ratio of FBS /FCS Schools. I am not sure how they could include Appy St. and GA Southern players on the list without ODU players?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

So is Appy St. and GA Southern .

All three Schools share the same time line. The three (ASU, GSU and ODU), are in their 1st year of transition from FCS to FBS.

Maybe the number, or lack of FCS games ODU scheduled for 2013. There may be some rule or requirement for a ratio of FBS /FCS Schools. I am not sure how they could include Appy St. and GA Southern players on the list without ODU players?

This was my understanding. Conference affiliation should have nothing to do with it.

[Panther88]

Very impressive list. TFlanders of SHSU was quite impressive last fall in the 3 games I'd seen him play.

[citdog]

No members of the 'erring sisters' should be eligible for any awards given for play this season. The Sports Network knows better. Nice hyphen in the App Qb's name.

[SumItUp]

RB Marcus Coker from Stony Brook should be on the list.

[BisonFan02]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJfjqoSn3EE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

:D

[darell1976]

RB-Zach Bauman-NAU
QB-Demarius McGhee-MSU
RB-Zach Zenner-SDSU

UND's defense is going to have their hands full this season with these 3.

[cmaxwellgsu]

An elaborate fudge. Since ODU is an FCS independent, they are ineligible, but GSU and ASU are "part of the Southern Conference", so they are.

http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=21500&ATCLID=206946378



So, reclassifying, playing with more than 63 scholarships and being an FCS independent - ineligible. Reclassifying, playing with more than 63 scholarships and "playing a full SoCon Schedule" - OK. Let's pause and realize how unprecedented this is.


So let me guess, LeHigh doesn't have anyone talented enough to be in the discussion?

[geaux_sioux]

Greg Hardin deserves to be on this list. According to TSNs All American pre season list he's above two of the WRs on this list.

[citdog]

So let me guess, LeHigh doesn't have anyone talented enough to be in the discussion?

I actually agree with LFN. Y'all have made your bed and are playing a season of games that don't count for anything. JUST like you'll be doing in the sun bletch.....

[BEAR]

The dual-threat signal-caller, who throws a nice deep ball, was a perfect fit for the Bears, compiling a 145.66 passing efficiency rating as he threw for 3,103 yards and 31 touchdowns. He added another 449 yards and three touchdowns on the ground.


Nice.

[BEAR]

They aren't so bright over there

I emailed them your quote. xlolx

[eaglewraith]

An elaborate fudge. Since ODU is an FCS independent, they are ineligible, but GSU and ASU are "part of the Southern Conference", so they are.

http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=21500&ATCLID=206946378



So, reclassifying, playing with more than 63 scholarships and being an FCS independent - ineligible. Reclassifying, playing with more than 63 scholarships and "playing a full SoCon Schedule" - OK. Let's pause and realize how unprecedented this is.

I agree with you on this. It should be all or nothing really, because the only reason ODU is in the situation they're in is because the CAA kicked them out once they announced their intentions. ODU is getting screwed here.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

I think McGhee has a great chance to win it this year. Otherwise, I like Flanders. Villanova's QB, John Robertson, would be my sleeper pick.

[Saint3333]

I actually agree with LFN. Y'all have made your bed and are playing a season of games that don't count for anything. JUST like you'll be doing in the sun bletch.....

Someone please bookmark this and refer to it the first lose either App or GSU have.

On topic, was Hudgins or another top WR included on the Payton list as a sophomore, this is quite an honor for Price?

[citdog]

Someone please bookmark this and refer to it the first lose either App or GSU have.




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[smallcollegefbfan]

Someone please bookmark this and refer to it the first lose either App or GSU have.

On topic, was Hudgins or another top WR included on the Payton list as a sophomore, this is quite an honor for Price?

I don't think he was but honestly Hudgins was not as good as you may think because of his stats. Mellette was better than Hudgins and Price is already better than Hudgins was as a senior. This is a great honor for price but I think the top 4 WRs I have seen in the SoCon the last 5 years are Andre Roberts, Brian Quick, Aaron Mellette, and Sean Price. I would not put Hudgins in that top tier group. He was a notch below Dexter Jackson as an overall player but a better pure hands guy than Jackson.

[Saint3333]

From a pro perspective I agree, but Hudgins stats were very good as a freshman. To me this award is more about stats than ability.

It is going to be interesting to see how Price has progressed. He was clearly better as a freshman than all those other players mentioned, but he's going to have to put some work to catch them before he leaves App.

[walliver]

There appears to be a lot of confusion concerning ODU, most of which is related to the fact that they announced their move after the deadline last year. The CAA immediately punished them for their move and in some ways it seemed like a transition year when it wasn't.

Their schedule this year does have a transitional feel with half of the games against FBS opponents.

I understand the arguments on both sides, but I personally feel all 3 should be excluded, but they didn't ask for my opinion.

[Saint3333]

Not sure what the cutoff should be, but it should be defined in the rules. Are there rules?

I could argue either way as these are individual awards.

[smallcollegefbfan]

From a pro perspective I agree, but Hudgins stats were very good as a freshman. To me this award is more about stats than ability.

It is going to be interesting to see how Price has progressed. He was clearly better as a freshman than all those other players mentioned, but he's going to have to put some work to catch them before he leaves App.

Stats are important for this award because many just go by stats and/or don't see every player except in their league. Hudgins was a good FCS player but he didn't have the strength, speed, movement skills, explosion, etc of a BCS star WR. He was very good at this level but I don't think he was more than a really good FCS player unlike the others I named who could play in the SEC and NFL.

I would not be surprised if Price sees his numbers drop this year because people focus on him and don't realize just how good Peacock and Washington are. I think both of those guys are really good and have a good season. Price should still catch say 900 yards and if so he is still in position to take all the App State all-time records. He will just need to take that next step as a junior where he will have a new QB and have to become a leader on that offense. If App was in the Sun Belt right now I would put Price on the first-team All-Sun Belt list already. He's got the talent to go do it. He is better as a freshman than Hudgins, Mellette, Quick, etc. were.

[Sammy94]

I emailed them your quote.

Looks like it worked.

[Sammy94]

Very impressive list. TFlanders of SHSU was quite impressive last fall in the 3 games I'd seen him play.

If Fritz lets him play past halftime in most of the games this year and he stays healthy, Flanders should run away with it.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not sure what the cutoff should be, but it should be defined in the rules. Are there rules?

I could argue either way as these are individual awards.

Same here, since it's individual awards, these players were all recruited on a level playing field (as FCS players etc.) so having them on the list seems fine with me. I can see a team being out for playoffs, rankings, etc. but not really on these awards so much. It seems like a big mistake on the allowing App & GSU in and keeping ODU out to me as well. It just doesn't make any sense in the grand scheme here.

[AppMan]

Never will happen in these lists, but I'd make an argument that Furman's OT Dakota Dozier is as good an offensive player as anyone in the SoCon. He just doesn't get to touch the football often.

It would be nice if FCS had their version of the Outland Trophy.

[AppMan]

So let me guess, LeHigh doesn't have anyone talented enough to be in the discussion?

Ouch!

[AppMan]

No members of the 'erring sisters' should be eligible for any awards given for play this season. The Sports Network knows better. Nice hyphen in the App Qb's name.

After going by the name of Jamal Jackson during the first four years of his collegiate career, has decided to use his full legal name, Jamal Londry-Jackson, to honor his mother, Kathy Londry.

[citdog]

After going by the name of Jamal Jackson during the first four years of his collegiate career, has decided to use his full legal name, Jamal Londry-Jackson, to honor his mother, Kathy Londry.

how touching

[Apphole]

No members of the 'erring sisters' should be eligible for any awards given for play this season. The Sports Network knows better. Nice hyphen in the App Qb's name.

Is there a Bell Hop who got snubbed that would have been among the list if the three App/Stink players had been ineligible?

Serious question.

[Southern Bison]

RB-Zach Bauman-NAU
QB-Demarius McGhee-MSU
RB-Zach Zenner-SDSU

UND's defense is going to have their hands full this season with these 3.

So you were hoping to make it 4 by playing Brock Jensen and the Bison? We'll throw in a "How to Play Defense for Dummies" clinic free of charge...It's a simple 60-minute course. Refresher training could be offered starting in 2015

[darell1976]

So you were hoping to make it 4 by playing Brock Jensen and the Bison? We'll throw in a "How to Play Defense for Dummies" clinic free of charge...It's a simple 60-minute course. Refresher training could be offered starting in 2015

Hopefully after last season we won't need to use your clinic. But thanks for the gesture.

[mountaineerman]

If jamal is healthy he and price will put up numbers never seen before at this level.

[citdog]

If jamal is healthy he and price will put up numbers never seen before at this level.

really? like 52-28?

[mountaineerman]

really? like 52-28?

Maybe all time record is worth looking at? 30xsmiley_wix and 12citxlolx.Give or take one.Thats as dominant as jamal and his corp will be.

[BEAR]

If Fritz lets him play past halftime in most of the games this year and he stays healthy, Flanders should run away with it.

Do you think coach held him back because the games were blowouts? Well, some of them..but the critical ones not. Did he hold him out because he was "saving" him OR did he hold him out because Flanders was holding his hips exhausted and the tank was nearly empty at half time? Hmmm... I wonder. xlolx

[citdog]

Maybe all time record is worth looking at? 30xsmiley_wix and 12citxlolx.Give or take one.Thats as dominant as jamal and his corp will be.


wow Andre the Giant only had a posse...........jamal-whatever has a whole CORPORATION?

[mountaineerman]

wow Andre the Giant only had a posse...........jamal-whatever has a whole CORPORATION?

Maybe when your vanilla ice dogs and there one hit wonders win again, Only time will tell.

[citdog]

Maybe when your vanilla ice dogs and there one hit wonders win again, Only time will tell.

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[Southern Bison]

Hopefully after last season we won't need to use your clinic. But thanks for the gesture.

Remind us all again...which number in your signature was bigger during last season? The one on the left (W) or the one on the right (L)???


http://youtu.be/1ytCEuuW2_A

[heath]

If jamal is healthy he and price will put up numbers never seen before at this level.

Really,more than 730? Guess he won't be healthyxlolx

[BisonFan02]

I don't think he is just "serviceable at best". He is not a big time stud who I would expect to go in the SEC or ACC and be a star and I would not say he is a top 3 QB in FCS but I do think he's a good player. He is mobile, finds the open man, and is the leader of that offense. He just isn't that freak athlete with a great arm who puts up gaudy numbers.

Last year in 15 games he threw for 2,331 yards, 17 TDs, 8 INTs, and 61.2 completion percentage. He was 2nd team All-MVFC and an HM All-MVFC pick in 2011 with 2,524 yards and a 14-4 ratio. You could argue that he was better as a sophomore when you consider they played 15 games and he had 2,524 yards with 14 TDs and just 4 INTs.

Based on stats he is not a top 10 returning QB in FCS but he's the ultimate field general and a really solid player who will not only help you win by making good decisions he doesn't lose them with bad decisions either. Jensen is a good player and someone who I think deserves to be on the Payton list because of his career but if you are purely talking about the best players such as players with next level potential or star power I think you could argue that Crockett, Ojuri, and Billy Turner are bigger individual stars at their respective positions. I know that Turner could potentially find himself getting drafted in the late rounds while Ojuri and Crockett are more talented than former NDSU combine invite Pat Paschall.

Items like in bold are why I was surprised to see him on a Payton watch list where stats and "gaudy" numbers are what put you there. The QB position (and the RB position for that matter due to running a 2 back system) at NDSU is rarely going to put someone on these types of lists.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Items like in bold are why I was surprised to see him on a Payton watch list where stats and "gaudy" numbers are what put you there. The QB position (and the RB position for that matter due to running a 2 back system) at NDSU is rarely going to put someone on these types of lists.

He has two national titles so I'm not shocked he made the list. I doubt he gets dropped unless he has a bad year.

[seantaylor]

Never will happen in these lists, but I'd make an argument that Furman's OT Dakota Dozier is as good an offensive player as anyone in the SoCon. He just doesn't get to touch the football often.

LOL

[PantherRob82]

Surprised Sawyer Kolmorgen from UNI didn't make the watch list. Maybe he hasn't done enough yet or maybe we run too much.

[CrazyCat]

Surprised Sawyer Kolmorgen from UNI didn't make the watch list. Maybe he hasn't done enough yet or maybe we run too much.

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Sawyer's cousin Kellen,from Waukee, is a preferred walk-on this fall for the Bobcats. Do you know anything about him ?

[PantherRob82]

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Sawyer's cousin Kellen,from Waukee, is a preferred walk-on this fall for the Bobcats. Do you know anything about him ?

I haven't heard anything.

[katstrapper]

Do you think coach held him back because the games were blowouts? Well, some of them..but the critical ones not. Did he hold him out because he was "saving" him OR did he hold him out because Flanders was holding his hips exhausted and the tank was nearly empty at half time? Hmmm... I wonder. xlolx

Fritz has managed his time on the field during each season so he wouldnt be worn out towards the end of the season, IMO. Yes some of the games were blowouts and there wasnt any reason to play him and risk injury. Flanders is an outstanding back and I think he will have an incredible year this year.

[BEAR]

Fritz has managed his time on the field during each season so he wouldnt be worn out towards the end of the season, IMO. Yes some of the games were blowouts and there wasnt any reason to play him and risk injury. Flanders is an outstanding back and I think he will have an incredible year this year.

I see him going for 1300+ With A&M on your schedule and a few other stout defense teams, he'll have a harder time...but then again he's a senior so he's probably got that field smarts to go along with those rockets.

[89rabbit]

Here is a little video on Zenner

http://vimeo.com/69988402

[lionsrking2]

Here is a little video on Zenner

http://vimeo.com/69988402

Zenner would get my early vote ... IMO, he's best player we faced last season, including our FBS opponents.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Surprised Sawyer Kolmorgen from UNI didn't make the watch list. Maybe he hasn't done enough yet or maybe we run too much.

Really good player and it's going to be interesting what happens with him and Johnson. I would be surprised if both end up there unless UNI is a top 10-15 team. If just one ends up on the postseason list it will be intriguing to see which one makes it for sure.