AGS fan's Missouri Valley Preseason Poll

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

What you guys think?


My 2$:


1. NDSU - With 19 returning starters it is hard not to pick the 2X NCs.

2. SDSU - Very good defense returns along with RB Zenner. Now Stig wants to revamp the defense for the spread offenses in the league......why fix something not broke?

3. UNI - At first I had them lower but I think they will be back towards the top of the league. But they play both SUs on the road...tough to win those games.

4. YSU - With consistent play they could be a contender.

5. Ill State - Usually load up with FBS transfers. O-line returns. Can they find a replacement at QB?

6. SIU - Played some close games last year. Plays SDSU and UNI on the road. Has NDSU at home. Jeckle and Hyde team. Will Lennon be in Carbondale with another lackluster year?

7. Ind State - With Miles gone Ind State takes a step back. Bell is back but will take a pounding in the Valley.

8. Missouri State - Gave NDSU a scare but needs to take the next step. How long will Allen get MSU? I have always thought MSU has the potential to be a very good FCS program. New coach?

9. WIU - Usually has a very good running game. Needs to improve on both sides of the ball.

10. USD - Until they prove they can win in the Valley they will be towards the bottom.


I think NDSU - SDSU - UNI and another team from the Valley make the playoffs.

[Go Lehigh TU owl]

1. NDSU
2. SIU
3. UNI
4. SDSU
5. Indiana State
6. YSU
7. Illinois Sate
8. MSU
9. WIU
10 USD

[dewey]

My 2 cents.

1. NDSU
2. SDSU
3. UNI
4. YSU
5. SIU
6. IlSU
7. InSU
8. WIU
9. MSU
10. USD

Dewey

[Vitojr130]

What you guys think?


My 2$:


1. NDSU - With 19 returning starters it is hard not to pick the 2X NCs.

2. SDSU - Very good defense returns along with RB Zenner. Now Stig wants to revamp the defense for the spread offenses in the league......why fix something not broke?

3. UNI - At first I had them lower but I think they will be back towards the top of the league. But they play both SUs on the road...tough to win those games.

4. YSU - With consistent play they could be a contender.

5. Ill State - Usually load up with FBS transfers. O-line returns. Can they find a replacement at QB?

6. SIU - Played some close games last year. Plays SDSU and UNI on the road. Has NDSU at home. Jeckle and Hyde team. Will Lennon be in Carbondale with another lackluster year?

7. Ind State - With Miles gone Ind State takes a step back. Bell is back but will take a pounding in the Valley.

8. Missouri State - Gave NDSU a scare but needs to take the next step. How long will Allen get MSU? I have always thought MSU has the potential to be a very good FCS program. New coach?

9. WIU - Usually has a very good running game. Needs to improve on both sides of the ball.

10. USD - Until they prove they can win in the Valley they will be towards the bottom.


I think NDSU - SDSU - UNI and another team from the Valley make the playoffs.

I'd switch YSU and Ill State, but other than that I'd agree.
1) NDSU
2) SDSU
3) UNI
4) Ill State
5) YSU
6) SIU
7) Ind State
8) MSU
9) WIU
10) USD

[darell1976]

I wonder how long until Glenn can get things on the right track at USD? NDSU, SDSU, UNI looks good for the top 3.

[344Johnson]

I'll put UNI at 2. SDSU at 3.

[Professor Chaos]

1. North Dakota St (8-0)
2. South Dakota St (6-2) - losses to NDSU and SIU
3. Northern Iowa (6-2) - losses to NDSU and SDSU
4. Southern Illinois (5-3) - losses to NDSU, UNI, and one head scratcher
5. Youngstown St (4-4)
6. Illinois St (4-4)
7. Indiana St (4-4)
8. Missouri St (2-6)
9. South Dakota (1-7)
10. Western Illinois (0-8)

I think that the top 4 make the playoffs with the top 3 all vying for seeds.

[PantherRob82]

1. NDSU
2. UNI
3. YSU
4. SDSU
5. SIU
6. IlSU
7. InSU
8. WIU
9. USD
10. MSU

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I wonder how long until Glenn can get things on the right track at USD? NDSU, SDSU, UNI looks good for the top 3.

I'd say let him get his own recruits, then we'll know more.

As for predictions. I'd agree with the OP.

[underdawg]

1. SDSU--solid defense for sure. Zenner was handled by SIU and a few others but it is their consistently salty hogs in the OL that make their bang it out Offence go

2. NDSU---everyone back does not always mean you win everything again. We'll see if the Bison can get by just on great defense. But will probably beat the other MVFC teams come play-off time--experience and confidence go a long way in the play-offs.

3. UNI---tradition come back--and it helps to have talent too. They lost a lot of close games, so confidence level must go up in those. There will always be close games in the MVFC

4. SIU---Salukis will go back to the future with their Offense featuring no less than three highly rated RB transfers from FBS Iowa, Georgia and Oregon State and a two-tight end offense with 6'3" 250 pound ALL-American TE MyCole Pruitt who will give safeties and CBs fits by often being split out wide. He has the speed to do it. The other starter at TE is 6'7" 260 pound Adam Fuehne who has hands and surprising speed. Defense will be just as fast as last year--but just as good?

5.Illinois State: Got a transfer from Iowa State to replace all-time best QB so we'll see how that works out. Also got a great OLB from Ohio State.

6. YSU---middle of the pack again

7. Indiana State: Great RB but is defense up to snuff this year?

8. WIU: Great new Coach from D-2 Champs. That counts for something. But enough talent for him to win this year?

9. MSU: After all these years, they need to get into the middle of the pack soon.

10.USD: How come we don't get to play these guys till 2020? Seriously I'll go along with the consensus, though knowing the Valley, they'll probably knock off one of the top tier teams.

[Gil Dobie]

1. NDSU 7-1
UNI 7-1
3. YSU
SDSU
5. SIU
6. IlSU
7. MSU
8. WIU
USD
10. InSU new coach, team drops

[BisonFan02]

1. NDSU 7-1
UNI 7-1
3. YSU
SDSU
5. SIU
6. IlSU
7. MSU
8. WIU
USD
10. InSU new coach, team drops

I agree with this except flip YSU and SIU around and slide InSU into a tie in the 7th spot...new coach or not, Bell will carry the team past WIU and USD.

[Southern Bison]

1. North Dakota St (8-0)
2. South Dakota St (7-1)
3. Southern Illinois (5-3)
4. Missouri St (5-3)
5. Northern Iowa (4-4)
6. Youngstown St (4-4)
7. Indiana St (3-5)
8. Illinois St (3-5)
9. South Dakota (1-7)
10. Western Illinois (0-8)

We will know by Oct. 5th how the MVFC is going to shape up with NDSU starting their in-conference play with @ SDSU (9/28) and Northern Iowa (10/5)

[IBleedYellow]

1. North Dakota St (8-0)
2. South Dakota St (7-1)
3. Southern Illinois (5-3)
4. Missouri St (5-3)
5. Northern Iowa (4-4)
6. Youngstown St (4-4)
7. Indiana St (3-5)
8. Illinois St (3-5)
9. South Dakota (1-7)
10. Western Illinois (0-8)

We will know by Oct. 5th how the MVFC is going to shape up with NDSU starting their in-conference play with @ SDSU (9/28) and Northern Iowa (10/5)


Swap MSU and UNI for me.

[DJKyR0]

1. NDSU
2. UNI
3. SDSU
4. YSU
5. ISU-r
6. SIU
7. WIU
8. ISU-b
9. USD
10. MSU

[MplsBison]

Seems to be that the general consensus is NDSU #1 and SDSU & UNI are either #2 or #3.

I wonder what fans of schools that have had some success in the past, particularly SIU, YSU, WIU, IL St and even IN St, think about that?


How have the Dakotas and UNI been able to beat out the great lakes schools? Is because there are so many MAC, B1G schools to compete with?

[mmiller_34]

My turn.

1. North Dakota State
2. Northern Iowa
3. South Dakota State
4. Illinois State
5. Southern Illinois
6. Indiana State
7. Youngstown State
8. Missouri State
9. Western Illinois
10. South Dakota

Not predicting conference records; haven't even looked at each schools schedule yet.

Jared Barnett will provide an immediate at QB for the Redbirds--I'm fairly confident they will be a good-to-great team again this year. Teams 1-7 will be very competitive. Mo State, Western, and USD are still a few years out from being in the mix.

[MplsBison]

Another thing -- I think it's still unbelievable what has happened at Indiana St.

The Football program went from laughed at to competitive, all without seemingly any major upgrade in anything. Yes I know they got a new weight room and new carpet in the admin offices, something like that.


I hope they can keep in the mix, winning games (especially in TH), getting people to come watch the games and working toward a new stadium in the city somewhere, maybe along the river - something scenic?

[clenz]

InSU is about to fall back into the abyss where they belong.

HC Trent Miles left the job for the Georgia State job...yeah the Georgia State job.....yeah and Miles is an InSU alum and played at ISU. He was the only one in the nation to believe in that program and he bolted for likely the worst team in all of Division 1.

Bell is their only weapon on offense, and is a senior this year.



They won't fall back to 0-65 bad, like they were in the mid 00's, but MSU/USD bad is very likely.

[Bisonator]

InSU is about to fall back into the abyss where they belong.

HC Trent Miles left the job for the Georgia State job...yeah the Georgia State job.....yeah and Miles is an InSU alum and played at ISU. He was the only one in the nation to believe in that program and he bolted for likely the worst team in all of Division 1.

Bell is their only weapon on offense, and is a senior this year.



They won't fall back to 0-65 bad, like they were in the mid 00's, but MSU/USD bad is very likely.

I agree. Kind of sad really.

My preseason picks for the MVFC:
1. NDSU
2. SDSU
3. UNI
4. YSU
5. SIU
6. ISUr
7. ISUb
8. MSU
9. WIU
10. USD

[Rabbit74]

Hers's my prediction.

1. NDSU & SDSU (someone sneaks up on NDSU for an unexpected win, maybe the Jacks in Brookings, Jacks have NDSU, UNI, SIU and ISU blue at home.)
3. UNI
4. SIU
5. YSU
6. ISU red
7. MSU
8. ISU blue
9. WIU
10. USD (will get there first MVFC win)

[Yotes]

1: NDSU
2: UNI
3: SDSU
4: IlSU
5: YSU
6: SIU
7: InSU
8: USD
9: WIU
10: MSU

I understand the complete lack of love for USD (comes with a complete lack of wins). I still feel that it's possible that we fight for a .500 record in the conference. The entire recruiting class redshirted last year, we didn't lose much, and 4 of the 8 conference games were lost by 3 points, plus another by 7. It really was something of an anomaly that we went winless. Expect USD to be much more competitive this year, if we don't get 2 wins I'll be shocked. No team is safe in the Dome.

[MplsBison]

Hers's my prediction.

1. NDSU & SDSU (someone sneaks up on NDSU for an unexpected win, maybe the Jacks in Brookings, Jacks have NDSU, UNI, SIU and ISU blue at home.)
3. UNI
4. SIU
5. YSU
6. ISU red
7. MSU
8. ISU blue
9. WIU
10. USD (will get there first MVFC win)

Well, FWIW someone in the conference has beaten NDSU each of the last two years. Wouldn't surprise me if NDSU gets a loss or even two this year.

Now of course, if we get a bunch of injuries anything can happen. 2008 was supposed to be a national championship year. I believe 8 or 9 guys from that team got invites to NFL camps.

[MplsBison]

1: NDSU
2: UNI
3: SDSU
4: IlSU
5: YSU
6: SIU
7: InSU
8: USD
9: WIU
10: MSU

I understand the complete lack of love for USD (comes with a complete lack of wins). I still feel that it's possible that we fight for a .500 record in the conference. The entire recruiting class redshirted last year, we didn't lose much, and 4 of the 8 conference games were lost by 3 points, plus another by 7. It really was something of an anomaly that we went winless. Expect USD to be much more competitive this year, if we don't get 2 wins I'll be shocked. No team is safe in the Dome.

Yeah I can't see USD hanging around the lower half of the league.


For whatever reason, the Dakota teams seem to have already out-maneuvered the MVC programs in the great lakes region (and Missouri St), for whatever reason. I posed the question but no one bit.

Only UNI has been able to hang with the Dakotas thus far. Perhaps it's because they recruit from the same areas?

[BisonBacker]

1: NDSU
2: UNI
3: SDSU
4: IlSU
5: YSU
6: SIU
7: InSU
8: USD
9: WIU
10: MSU

I understand the complete lack of love for USD (comes with a complete lack of wins). I still feel that it's possible that we fight for a .500 record in the conference. The entire recruiting class redshirted last year, we didn't lose much, and 4 of the 8 conference games were lost by 3 points, plus another by 7. It really was something of an anomaly that we went winless. Expect USD to be much more competitive this year, if we don't get 2 wins I'll be shocked. No team is safe in the Dome.

The only part of the post you have that is correct is what I've bolded however the dome you are talking about isn't in Verm but in Fargo :D

[word]

I understand the complete lack of love for USD (comes with a complete lack of wins). I still feel that it's possible that we fight for a .500 record in the conference. The entire recruiting class redshirted last year, we didn't lose much, and 4 of the 8 conference games were lost by 3 points, plus another by 7. It really was something of an anomaly that we went winless. Expect USD to be much more competitive this year, if we don't get 2 wins I'll be shocked. No team is safe in the Dome.


Oh...

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The only part of the post you have that is correct is what I've bolded however the dome you are talking about isn't in Verm but in Fargo :D


xthumbsupx


Agreed.

Mpls thought USD was going to be an upper half conference team last year. They are a few years away from being that.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

1: NDSU
2: UNI
3: SDSU
4: IlSU
5: YSU
6: SIU
7: InSU
8: USD
9: WIU
10: MSU

I understand the complete lack of love for USD (comes with a complete lack of wins). I still feel that it's possible that we fight for a .500 record in the conference. The entire recruiting class redshirted last year, we didn't lose much, and 4 of the 8 conference games were lost by 3 points, plus another by 7. It really was something of an anomaly that we went winless. Expect USD to be much more competitive this year, if we don't get 2 wins I'll be shocked. No team is safe in the Dome.


The only place to go from 0-8 in the conference is up.

USD's schedule in '13

UC Davis
at Kansas
at Northern Arizona
at Western Illinois
Missouri State
Indiana State
at UNI
at Ill State
Youngstown State
Montana
SDSU
at NDSU

Where are the 4 conference wins coming from in your opinion?

Maybe wins from WIU, MSU and maybe YSU. USD has been terrible on the road so I do not believe they have a chance at UNI, ILL State, NDSU or even Northern Az.

2 or 3 wins would be a definite improvement.......4 wins in conference is highly unlikely this year IMO. But you never know.

[clenz]

xthumbsupx


Agreed.

Mpls thought USD was going to be an upper half conference team last year. They are a few years away from being that.

they are much further than a couple years

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[Houndawg]

I think the Jacks could do it this year. Great schedule and even though Zenner is overrated they have the best QB in the league.

Also could be another 5-way tie for 3rd place.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I think the Jacks could do it this year. Great schedule and even though Zenner is overrated they have the best QB in the league.

Also could be another 5-way tie for 3rd place.

They are going to get murdered on the kitty litter by NDSU.

book it.

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

they are much further than a couple years

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Ya, you're probably right.

[clenz]

Ya, you're probably right.

NDSU came in on a roll, SDSU was clearly building something...USD came in with...............nothing other than getting new turf.

Between the dsu schools and UNI USD gets the left overs left overs for recruits.

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[Bisonator]

The only place to go from 0-8 in the conference is up.

USD's schedule in '13

UC Davis
at Kansas
at Northern Arizona
at Western Illinois
Missouri State
Indiana State
at UNI
at Ill State
Youngstown State
Montana
SDSU
at NDSU

Where are the 4 conference wins coming from in your opinion?

Maybe wins from WIU, MSU and maybe YSU. USD has been terrible on the road so I do not believe they have a chance at UNI, ILL State, NDSU or even Northern Az.

2 or 3 wins would be a definite improvement.......4 wins in conference is highly unlikely this year IMO. But you never know.

I will admit right now that the only game I actually saw USD play last year was the NDSU game. So comparing the Yotes to the Bison is not very favorable but I still don't even see 3 total wins looking at that schedule!

[PantherRob82]

I think the Jacks could do it this year. Great schedule and even though Zenner is overrated they have the best QB in the league.

Also could be another 5-way tie for 3rd place.

Best QB in the conference?

[Bisonator]

Best QB in the conference?

xnutsx

[clenz]

Best QB in the conference?


xnutsxYeah...thought about letting that one go.


He had a good freshman year setting some records - that Kollmorgen broke.

Last year Kollmorgen and Matt Brown were likely the top 2, statistically speaking


PASSING AVG/GAME Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Avg/G
1. Brown,Matt-ILS SR 13 272 - 439 - 12 62.0 3370 27 79 259.2
2. Kollmorgen, Sawyer-UNI FR 11 185 - 313 - 8 59.1 2450 21 76 222.7
3. Hess, Kurt-YSU JR 11 176 - 278 - 7 63.3 2112 15 45 192.0
4. Sumner,Austin-SDSU SO 13 209 - 372 - 14 56.2 2443 15 50 187.9
5. Faulkner, Kory-SIU JR 11 191 - 325 - 10 58.8 1865 11 74 169.5
6. Jensen,Brock-NDSU JR 15 207 - 338 - 8 61.2 2331 17 69 155.4
7. Vander Maten,J.-USD SO 11 151 - 268 - 7 56.3 1662 7 80 151.1
8. Perish, Mike-INS SO 11 155 - 280 - 8 55.4 1615 10 43 146.8
9. Glaser,Ashton-MSU JR 11 116 - 210 - 12 55.2 1221 2 69 111.0
10. Harris,Kierra-MSU SO 9 99 - 163 - 8 60.7 997 7 60 110.8

ASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Effic.
1. Kollmorgen, Sawyer-UNI FR 11 185 - 313 - 8 59.1 2450 21 76 141.9
2. Brown,Matt-ILS SR 13 272 - 439 - 12 62.0 3370 27 79 141.3
3. Hess, Kurt-YSU JR 11 176 - 278 - 7 63.3 2112 15 45 139.9
4. Jensen,Brock-NDSU JR 15 207 - 338 - 8 61.2 2331 17 69 131.0
5. Sumner,Austin-SDSU SO 13 209 - 372 - 14 56.2 2443 15 50 117.1
6. Harris,Kierra-MSU SO 9 99 - 163 - 8 60.7 997 7 60 116.5
7. Faulkner, Kory-SIU JR 11 191 - 325 - 10 58.8 1865 11 74 112.0
8. Vander Maten,J.-USD SO 11 151 - 268 - 7 56.3 1662 7 80 111.8
9. Perish, Mike-INS SO 11 155 - 280 - 8 55.4 1615 10 43 109.9
10. Glaser,Ashton-MSU JR 11 116 - 210 - 12 55.2 1221 2 69 95.8



How about Conference games only?

PASSING AVG/GAME Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Avg/G
1. Brown,Matt-ILS SR 8 147 - 246 - 8 59.8 1856 11 79 232.0
2. Kollmorgen, Sawyer-UNI FR 8 136 - 228 - 7 59.6 1711 15 76 213.9
3. Hess, Kurt-YSU JR 8 141 - 223 - 7 63.2 1637 11 45 204.6
4. Sumner,Austin-SDSU SO 8 137 - 230 - 7 59.6 1601 11 50 200.1
5. Jensen,Brock-NDSU JR 8 114 - 193 - 7 59.1 1337 7 58 167.1
6. Vander Maten,J.-USD SO 8 110 - 201 - 5 54.7 1199 5 50 149.9
7. Perish, Mike-INS SO 8 118 - 220 - 6 53.6 1145 6 36 143.1
8. Harris,Kierra-MSU SO 7 93 - 151 - 8 61.6 906 7 60 129.4
9. Faulkner, Kory-SIU JR 8 115 - 193 - 5 59.6 993 6 34 124.1
10. Lunt, Wil-WIU SR 6 44 - 100 - 4 44.0 463 2 66 77.2

PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Effic.
1. Kollmorgen, Sawyer-UNI FR 8 136 - 228 - 7 59.6 1711 15 76 138.3
2. Hess, Kurt-YSU JR 8 141 - 223 - 7 63.2 1637 11 45 134.9
3. Brown,Matt-ILS SR 8 147 - 246 - 8 59.8 1856 11 79 131.4
4. Sumner,Austin-SDSU SO 8 137 - 230 - 7 59.6 1601 11 50 127.7
5. Jensen,Brock-NDSU JR 8 114 - 193 - 7 59.1 1337 7 58 122.0
6. Harris,Kierra-MSU SO 7 93 - 151 - 8 61.6 906 7 60 116.7
7. Vander Maten,J.-USD SO 8 110 - 201 - 5 54.7 1199 5 50 108.1
8. Faulkner, Kory-SIU JR 8 115 - 193 - 5 59.6 993 6 34 107.9
9. Perish, Mike-INS SO 8 118 - 220 - 6 53.6 1145 6 36 100.9
10. Glaser,Ashton-MSU JR 8 52 - 93 - 8 55.9 502 0 48 84.1



I would argue that Kollmorgen is easily the best QB returning in the league.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

You can keep all of them. This is the guy you want when the game is on the line.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXlZMIPyxRI

[MplsBison]

xthumbsupx


Agreed.

Mpls thought USD was going to be an upper half conference team last year. They are a few years away from being that.

Show the quote or you're a liar.

Why are you randomly evoking my name anyway? I had nothing to do with his post or this topic. You're obsessed with me, obviously.

[Bisonator]

I would argue that Kollmorgen is easily the best QB returning in the league.

I would agree. Hess #2. Sumner third at best although I'd take Brock over him since I'm biased! xnodx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I would agree. Hess #2. Sumner third at best although I'd take Brock over him since I'm biased! xnodx

That's my point. Passing stats does not a good quarterback make.

[MplsBison]

NDSU came in on a roll, SDSU was clearly building something...USD came in with...............nothing other than getting new turf.

Between the dsu schools and UNI USD gets the left overs left overs for recruits.


Like this guy, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Compton

[MplsBison]

I will admit right now that the only game I actually saw USD play last year was the NDSU game. So comparing the Yotes to the Bison is not very favorable but I still don't even see 3 total wins looking at that schedule!

Davis, MO St and IN St at home.

UND beat Montana at home last year, so Yotes should be able to pull it out too.

[MplsBison]

Yeah...thought about letting that one go.


He had a good freshman year setting some records - that Kollmorgen broke.

Last year Kollmorgen and Matt Brown were likely the top 2, statistically speaking


PASSING AVG/GAME Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Avg/G
1. Brown,Matt-ILS SR 13 272 - 439 - 12 62.0 3370 27 79 259.2
2. Kollmorgen, Sawyer-UNI FR 11 185 - 313 - 8 59.1 2450 21 76 222.7
3. Hess, Kurt-YSU JR 11 176 - 278 - 7 63.3 2112 15 45 192.0
4. Sumner,Austin-SDSU SO 13 209 - 372 - 14 56.2 2443 15 50 187.9
5. Faulkner, Kory-SIU JR 11 191 - 325 - 10 58.8 1865 11 74 169.5
6. Jensen,Brock-NDSU JR 15 207 - 338 - 8 61.2 2331 17 69 155.4
7. Vander Maten,J.-USD SO 11 151 - 268 - 7 56.3 1662 7 80 151.1
8. Perish, Mike-INS SO 11 155 - 280 - 8 55.4 1615 10 43 146.8
9. Glaser,Ashton-MSU JR 11 116 - 210 - 12 55.2 1221 2 69 111.0
10. Harris,Kierra-MSU SO 9 99 - 163 - 8 60.7 997 7 60 110.8

ASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Effic.
1. Kollmorgen, Sawyer-UNI FR 11 185 - 313 - 8 59.1 2450 21 76 141.9
2. Brown,Matt-ILS SR 13 272 - 439 - 12 62.0 3370 27 79 141.3
3. Hess, Kurt-YSU JR 11 176 - 278 - 7 63.3 2112 15 45 139.9
4. Jensen,Brock-NDSU JR 15 207 - 338 - 8 61.2 2331 17 69 131.0
5. Sumner,Austin-SDSU SO 13 209 - 372 - 14 56.2 2443 15 50 117.1
6. Harris,Kierra-MSU SO 9 99 - 163 - 8 60.7 997 7 60 116.5
7. Faulkner, Kory-SIU JR 11 191 - 325 - 10 58.8 1865 11 74 112.0
8. Vander Maten,J.-USD SO 11 151 - 268 - 7 56.3 1662 7 80 111.8
9. Perish, Mike-INS SO 11 155 - 280 - 8 55.4 1615 10 43 109.9
10. Glaser,Ashton-MSU JR 11 116 - 210 - 12 55.2 1221 2 69 95.8



How about Conference games only?

PASSING AVG/GAME Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Avg/G
1. Brown,Matt-ILS SR 8 147 - 246 - 8 59.8 1856 11 79 232.0
2. Kollmorgen, Sawyer-UNI FR 8 136 - 228 - 7 59.6 1711 15 76 213.9
3. Hess, Kurt-YSU JR 8 141 - 223 - 7 63.2 1637 11 45 204.6
4. Sumner,Austin-SDSU SO 8 137 - 230 - 7 59.6 1601 11 50 200.1
5. Jensen,Brock-NDSU JR 8 114 - 193 - 7 59.1 1337 7 58 167.1
6. Vander Maten,J.-USD SO 8 110 - 201 - 5 54.7 1199 5 50 149.9
7. Perish, Mike-INS SO 8 118 - 220 - 6 53.6 1145 6 36 143.1
8. Harris,Kierra-MSU SO 7 93 - 151 - 8 61.6 906 7 60 129.4
9. Faulkner, Kory-SIU JR 8 115 - 193 - 5 59.6 993 6 34 124.1
10. Lunt, Wil-WIU SR 6 44 - 100 - 4 44.0 463 2 66 77.2

PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yards TD Long Effic.
1. Kollmorgen, Sawyer-UNI FR 8 136 - 228 - 7 59.6 1711 15 76 138.3
2. Hess, Kurt-YSU JR 8 141 - 223 - 7 63.2 1637 11 45 134.9
3. Brown,Matt-ILS SR 8 147 - 246 - 8 59.8 1856 11 79 131.4
4. Sumner,Austin-SDSU SO 8 137 - 230 - 7 59.6 1601 11 50 127.7
5. Jensen,Brock-NDSU JR 8 114 - 193 - 7 59.1 1337 7 58 122.0
6. Harris,Kierra-MSU SO 7 93 - 151 - 8 61.6 906 7 60 116.7
7. Vander Maten,J.-USD SO 8 110 - 201 - 5 54.7 1199 5 50 108.1
8. Faulkner, Kory-SIU JR 8 115 - 193 - 5 59.6 993 6 34 107.9
9. Perish, Mike-INS SO 8 118 - 220 - 6 53.6 1145 6 36 100.9
10. Glaser,Ashton-MSU JR 8 52 - 93 - 8 55.9 502 0 48 84.1



I would argue that Kollmorgen is easily the best QB returning in the league.

The best *passing* QB.

There is a difference.

[clenz]

Kollmorgen would've won a NC with NDSU last year as well....As would have Sumner, Hess, Brown, Faulkner, and probably Vander Maten.

Championships won isn't a great judge of quality of QB.

If that is the case Trent Dilfer, Terry Bradshaw, Rothlisberger, Ken Stabler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett, Jeff Hostetler, and Brad Johnson>Dan Marino

[Bisonator]

Davis, MO St and IN St at home.

UND beat Montana at home last year, so Yotes should be able to pull it out too.

Goodluck. UM is going to be a different animal with Johnson back.

[World]

1. SDSU--solid defense for sure. Zenner was handled by SIU and a few others but it is their consistently salty hogs in the OL that make their bang it out Offence go

2. NDSU---everyone back does not always mean you win everything again. We'll see if the Bison can get by just on great defense. But will probably beat the other MVFC teams come play-off time--experience and confidence go a long way in the play-offs.

3. UNI---tradition come back--and it helps to have talent too. They lost a lot of close games, so confidence level must go up in those. There will always be close games in the MVFC

4. SIU---Salukis will go back to the future with their Offense featuring no less than three highly rated RB transfers from FBS Iowa, Georgia and Oregon State and a two-tight end offense with 6'3" 250 pound ALL-American TE MyCole Pruitt who will give safeties and CBs fits by often being split out wide. He has the speed to do it. The other starter at TE is 6'7" 260 pound Adam Fuehne who has hands and surprising speed. Defense will be just as fast as last year--but just as good?

5.Illinois State: Got a transfer from Iowa State to replace all-time best QB so we'll see how that works out. Also got a great OLB from Ohio State.

6. YSU---middle of the pack again

7. Indiana State: Great RB but is defense up to snuff this year?

8. WIU: Great new Coach from D-2 Champs. That counts for something. But enough talent for him to win this year?

9. MSU: After all these years, they need to get into the middle of the pack soon.

10.USD: How come we don't get to play these guys till 2020? Seriously I'll go along with the consensus, though knowing the Valley, they'll probably knock off one of the top tier teams.



Illinois State also got a California JC transfer RB that will be the top RB in the MVC. At 6'3" 270 lbs, he is also the strongest player at Illinois State. This is a RB, not a FB. How fast is he? 4.52 40 yard time.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQZQT4KBRI







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[clenz]

Like this guy, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Compton
How many others?

UNI took a recruit from USD on signing day a couple years ago...Isaac Ales (http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=26200&ATCLID=205216046) was commited to USD because UNI didn't offer him a scholarship and USD offered him a full ride. One of UNI's targets ended up going elsewhere so on signing day UNI offered him a 1/4 ride and he picked UNI over a full ride to USD.


USD's best player, Tyler Starr, was barely recruited by UNI - probably a miss on UNI's part. He went on an official but I don't know he every got a scholarship offer.


When USD is putting guys in the league at the same rate as UNI and NDSU then maybe they will move above 8th place in the conference.

[MplsBison]

Kollmorgen would've won a NC with NDSU last year as well....As would have Sumner, Hess, Brown, Faulkner, and probably Vander Maten.

Championships won isn't a great judge of quality of QB.

If that is the case Trent Dilfer, Terry Bradshaw, Rothlisberger, Ken Stabler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett, Jeff Hostetler, and Brad Johnson>Dan Marino

Would Kollmorgen, Sumner or any of those others have run in the winning touchdown vs. Georgia Southern in the Fargodome last year?

Like I said, being the best passer does not make you the best QB.

[MplsBison]

How many others?

UNI took a recruit from USD on signing day a couple years ago...Isaac Ales (http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=26200&ATCLID=205216046) was commited to USD because UNI didn't offer him a scholarship and USD offered him a full ride. One of UNI's targets ended up going elsewhere so on signing day UNI offered him a 1/4 ride and he picked UNI over a full ride to USD.


USD's best player, Tyler Starr, was barely recruited by UNI - probably a miss on UNI's part. He went on an official but I don't know he every got a scholarship offer.


When USD is putting guys in the league at the same rate as UNI and NDSU then maybe they will move above 8th place in the conference.

I know.

USD is generally behind the other three Dakota flagships in most aspects, academically, research, facilities and athletics.


Nonetheless, I think they're really committed to getting on par with the other three via the DI move. The new bball facility will help them.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Davis, MO St and IN St at home.

UND beat Montana at home last year, so Yotes should be able to pull it out too.



This is what you are going with....xthumbsdownx

USD does have a shot at winning games against Davis and MSU but Bell will probably have 200 + yards against them. They have been terrible on the road, so I wouldn't count on many road victories this year.

[MplsBison]

It was sarcasm.

By the way - where is the link to a claim made by me that USD would be in the top half of the conference last year??

Stop lying.

[Houndawg]

Kollmorgen would've won a NC with NDSU last year as well....As would have Sumner, Hess, Brown, Faulkner, and probably Vander Maten.

Championships won isn't a great judge of quality of QB.

If that is the case Trent Dilfer, Terry Bradshaw, Rothlisberger, Ken Stabler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett, Jeff Hostetler, and Brad Johnson>Dan Marino

xlolx

That's what I would say too, if I were a UNI fan.

I saw them both last year and Sumner was more impressive than Kollmorgen. He had the QB mojo that Kollmorgen didn't show. Kollmorgen is a good QB, clenz, so try not to catch the vapors over it.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

It was sarcasm.

By the way - where is the link to a claim made by me that USD would be in the top half of the conference last year??

Stop lying.


I have no desire to go back and find it from last year when you were pimping USD and how they were going to be a Valley contender.

[underdawg]

Illinois State also got a California JC transfer RB that will be the top RB in the MVC. At 6'3" 270 lbs, he is also the strongest player at Illinois State. This is a RB, not a FB. How fast is he? 4.52 40 yard time.










.

Glad to hear about the Rb--I knew about him already. Not certain he can consistently run a 4.5 but he may not have to if the Bird OL is as good as advertised. My point was that the key positions to replace are QB and the three LBs the Birds lost from 2012.

[achrist70]

1. NDSU, best team with so much returning, they will have a few down games where someone could get a game but should win conference
2. UNI, if line play steps up this could also be a top 5 team nationally, as good as anyone in the skilled positions
3. SDSU, quality team with good talent returning
4. SIU, steadily building the last few years
5. Illinois State, will be better than most expext
6. Indiana State, Bell might be their only weapon but he is one heck of a weapon
7. Youngstown, seems too low but this is where I see the ending up
8. Missouri State, they just can't seem to turn the corner
9. South Dakota, get a win to stay ahead of Western
10. Western Illinois, another long year

[BisonFan02]

I have no desire to go back and find it from last year when you were pimping USD and how they were going to be a Valley contender.

I'm bored enough....

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?111634-Missouri-Valley-Football-Preseason-Poll-and-All-Conference-Team&highlight=MVFC+poll


It's going to be another damn tough year in the MVFC.

Even USD will be decent, I think. Only MO St won't have much to show for on the field.

I could see one or two teams with two or less losses, MO St at the bottom winless and then a bunch of teams 4-4 in the middle.


Really?

I bet they go winless in the conference. Lost 23 seniors and they were very mediocre last year. Illinois State held them to a total of 108 yards for the whole game. I'm sure you are picking them to beat the Bison in Sioux Falls.


They won't be winless.


We'll seexrolleyesx


They could very well beat SDSU. xnodx

[clenz]

xlolx

That's what I would say too, if I were a UNI fan.

I saw them both last year and Sumner was more impressive than Kollmorgen. He had the QB mojo that Kollmorgen didn't show. Kollmorgen is a good QB, clenz, so try not to catch the vapors over it.
I don't say it because I'm a UNI fan - though I would contend Eric Sanders is a top 5-10 all time FCS qb and never won a title. There are a lot of very good/great QB's that never win a title because the pieces don't fall into place.

By every single measure (other than subjective "mojo") Kollmorgen was a better QB than Sumner last season (and it really wasn't that close).

Sawyer - 11 games
185-313 (59.1%) 2,450 yds 13.2 ypc 21TD 8 INT 141.9 eff. - that includes 2 Big 10 games..the first of which being in Camp Randall
Per game that breaks to
17-28 223 yds 1.9 TD .7 INT

Austin - 13 games
209-372 (56.2%) 2,443 yds 11.6 ypc 15TD 14 INT 117.1 eff.
Per game that breaks to
16-29 187 yds 1.2 TD 1.1INT

If we give Sawyer 13 games his stats look like
221-364 2,899 yds 25 TD 9 INT

If Austin had his numbers in 11 games it would look like
176-319 2,057 yds 13 TD 12 INT


Kollmorgen broke the MVFC freshman passing record and is on pace to break every single passing record...now I can't predict he'll keep that pace all 4 years for a variety of reasons.


If you want to give it to Sumner based on a perceived mojo, go for it. More power to you.

As far as who looked more impressive to you

Kollmorgen - 18-27 (67%) 243 yds 13.5 ypc 1 TD 0INT led team to 31 points
Sumner - 26-45 (57%) 284 10.9 ypc 1 TD 0 INT led team to 12 points

18 less passes and just 41 yards less passing with the same number of TD's at a higher completion %.....yeah unimpressive because he didn't have your definition of "mojo"

[ValleyChamp]

Houndawg ain't too bright, boys.

[ValleyChamp]

For whatever reason, the Dakota teams seem to have already out-maneuvered the MVC programs in the great lakes region (and Missouri St), for whatever reason. I posed the question but no one bit.

Only UNI has been able to hang with the Dakotas thus far. Perhaps it's because they recruit from the same areas?

Yeah I'd say UNI has been able to "hang with the Dakota" teams. UNI is 13-3 against the Dakota's since they moved to D1.

[MplsBison]

I'm bored enough....

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?111634-Missouri-Valley-Football-Preseason-Poll-and-All-Conference-Team&highlight=MVFC+poll

Thank you for showing that BFNW is either a liar or just senile.

[PantherRob82]

Illinois State also got a California JC transfer RB that will be the top RB in the MVC. At 6'3" 270 lbs, he is also the strongest player at Illinois State. This is a RB, not a FB. How fast is he? 4.52 40 yard time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQZQT4KBRI

.

SIU is also using transfers as a sign of strength. Believe it when I see it.

[MplsBison]

Yeah I'd say UNI has been able to "hang with the Dakota" teams. UNI is 13-3 against the Dakota's since they moved to D1.

I was talking about NDSU and SDSU in the last couple years. But the record is still just 2-2. I was thinking SDSU had won a game against UNI the last two years. Not so!

[clenz]

SIU is also using transfers as a sign of strength. Believe it when I see it.

Anyone except UNI fans remember Whitney Lewis?

Yeah....didn't think so.

5 star recruit went to USC out oc HS. More highly recruited/regarded than Reggie Bush.

Biggest waste of space in a panther uniform for 98 percent of his career here

Hell, I bet most UNI fans don't remember him....

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[ysubigred]

YSU win's it all!! xprayx

The rest of the MVFC will have to sort it out for second xbeerchugx

Honestly... NDSU is the only sure bet other than that xdontknowx

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TWyyBueXL._SY300_.jpg

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Yeah I'd say UNI has been able to "hang with the Dakota" teams. UNI is 13-3 against the Dakota's since they moved to D1.


That balance of power is clearly shifting. Reminds me of the Kansas/Kansas St. rivlary. Kansas leads the series by a ton due to success in the early part of their programs but KState has used the last 24 years to completely catch up.

[344Johnson]

Yeah I'd say UNI has been able to "hang with the Dakota" teams. UNI is 13-3 against the Dakota's since they moved to D1.

To me UNI and NDSU are going to be the two constants in the MVFC title discussion year in and year out.

[MplsBison]

SDSU is going break through one of these years. Too much investment in the program, too nice of facilities - if they ever get CAS fully upgraded.

Only thing they really don't have is a history of winning in DII.

[underdawg]

Anyone except UNI fans remember Whitney Lewis?

Yeah....didn't think so.

5 star recruit went to USC out oc HS. More highly recruited/regarded than Reggie Bush.

Biggest waste of space in a panther uniform for 98 percent of his career here

Hell, I bet most UNI fans don't remember him....

quando omni flunkus moritati

Well we've done pretty well with ours: Brandon Jacobs, Deji Karim, Larry Warner, and Arkee Whitlock (for sure UNI fans remember him) etc. etc--were all AA and (except All-American Warner) Pros. In fact during our great period of 2001-09, only one RB starter for SIU (Tommy Koutsos) was was recruited out of high school (Koutsos started out of high school)--the rest were either FBS or JUCOs. Teams can get it done via high school recruiting (ie, Johnson) or transfer.

[gumby013]

1. NDSU
2. UNI
3. SDSU
4. SIU
5. Illinois State
6. YSU
7. Indiana Sate
8. USD
9. WIU
10. MSU

[ValleyChamp]

SDSU is going break through one of these years. Too much investment in the program, too nice of facilities - if they ever get CAS fully upgraded.

Only thing they really don't have is a history of winning in DII.

Are you talking about San Diego State?

[ValleyChamp]

That balance of power is clearly shifting. Reminds me of the Kansas/Kansas St. rivlary. Kansas leads the series by a ton due to success in the early part of their programs but KState has used the last 24 years to completely catch up.

UNI has never not been an great football program. If you think they are Kansas, you are sadly mistaken. Your team has been great for two years, but UNI isn't going anyplace.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Anyone except UNI fans remember Whitney Lewis?

Yeah....didn't think so.

5 star recruit went to USC out oc HS. More highly recruited/regarded than Reggie Bush.

Biggest waste of space in a panther uniform for 98 percent of his career here

Hell, I bet most UNI fans don't remember him....

quando omni flunkus moritati

I remember he had a huge catch in the final drive against UNH in 2007. It was a first down grab and he went down right away as to not use up much time.

Lewis was a classic example of talent not working hard.

[Houndawg]

I don't say it because I'm a UNI fan - though I would contend Eric Sanders is a top 5-10 all time FCS qb and never won a title. There are a lot of very good/great QB's that never win a title because the pieces don't fall into place.

By every single measure (other than subjective "mojo") Kollmorgen was a better QB than Sumner last season (and it really wasn't that close).

Sawyer - 11 games
185-313 (59.1%) 2,450 yds 13.2 ypc 21TD 8 INT 141.9 eff. - that includes 2 Big 10 games..the first of which being in Camp Randall
Per game that breaks to
17-28 223 yds 1.9 TD .7 INT

Austin - 13 games
209-372 (56.2%) 2,443 yds 11.6 ypc 15TD 14 INT 117.1 eff.
Per game that breaks to
16-29 187 yds 1.2 TD 1.1INT

If we give Sawyer 13 games his stats look like
221-364 2,899 yds 25 TD 9 INT

If Austin had his numbers in 11 games it would look like
176-319 2,057 yds 13 TD 12 INT


Kollmorgen broke the MVFC freshman passing record and is on pace to break every single passing record...now I can't predict he'll keep that pace all 4 years for a variety of reasons.


If you want to give it to Sumner based on a perceived mojo, go for it. More power to you.

As far as who looked more impressive to you

Kollmorgen - 18-27 (67%) 243 yds 13.5 ypc 1 TD 0INT led team to 31 points
Sumner - 26-45 (57%) 284 10.9 ypc 1 TD 0 INT led team to 12 points

18 less passes and just 41 yards less passing with the same number of TD's at a higher completion %.....yeah unimpressive because he didn't have your definition of "mojo"

Intangibles are huge for the QB position ,clenz, you know that. All the stats are skewed by the quality of the team they're playing for.

[Houndawg]

UNI has never not been an great football program. If you think they are Kansas, you are sadly mistaken. Your team has been great for two years, but UNI isn't going anyplace.

They can't win in Carbondale.

[MplsBison]

Are you talking about San Diego State?

I wonder how many times referees see 'SDSU' and pronounce "San Diego State". :D

[BisonFan02]

UNI has never not been an great football program. If you think they are Kansas, you are sadly mistaken. Your team has been great for two years, but UNI isn't going anyplace.

Agree that UNI isn't going "anyplace", but when is UNI finally going to finish the job? Didn't seem like it was THAT hard to do. :D

[Twentysix]

UNI has never not been an great football program. If you think they are Kansas, you are sadly mistaken. Your team has been great for two years, but UNI isn't going anyplace.

2 years huh? Check the sig. :P owned UNI in DII also. Also, I believe you owe me a case of beer from an NDSU UNI preseason bet the year before last. It may have been a different UNI fan, it was about who would win a NC for the MVFC first. It was in the offseason after 2010.

Perhaps it should be 2 cases of beer now, since we have won a second title before I have been paid.

[clenz]

We likely never will win the title...

we were there on 05 and Sanders got blindsided and the fumble was taken back for the winning score

Undefeated, ranked number 1, in 07 when Joe ****ing Flacco decided that no matter how many third and 18 we put him in, or how hard our all American DE hit him he wouldn't touch the turf

08 we had a lead with 90 seconds left against Richmond in the semi finals, shank the punt and Richmond scores the winning td to win by 1 with 13 seconds left.

09 returned almost all the key pieces from 08 and fell the **** apart. Had a lead with lesd than a minute left in the final regular season game at isur and they shots the winning td with 4 seconds left knocking us from the playoffs...also that year we became the first (and only) team to lose a game by having back to back game winning field goal attempts blocked....at Iowa (who win the Orange bowl that year)

10 and 11 pure offensive coordinator didn't know how to use Rennie


Chances of us ever winning a title are about .75 percent...we are the ultimate definition of permanent bridesmaid


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[clenz]

Intangibles are huge for the QB position ,clenz, you know that. All the stats are skewed by the quality of the team they're playing for.

SDSU finished ahead of UNI in the standings last season....you do know that, right?

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[ValleyChamp]

2 years huh? Check the sig. :P owned UNI in DII also. Also, I believe you owe me a case of beer from an NDSU UNI preseason bet the year before last. It may have been a different UNI fan, it was about who would win a NC for the MVFC first. It was in the offseason after 2010.

Perhaps it should be 2 cases of beer now, since we have won a second title before I have been paid.

I don't know who you are or wtf you are talking about.

UNI holds a 25-20 lead in the all-time series. If you consider a -5 in the all time standings as "owning", then I don't know what to tell ya.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

UNI has never not been an great football program. If you think they are Kansas, you are sadly mistaken. Your team has been great for two years, but UNI isn't going anyplace.


2 years?

NDSU has been a premier program a lot longer than that.

Hang your hat on all of those conference titles before NDSU joined the league if that makes you feel better. Fact is, going for a 3-peat is pretty rare at any level.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I don't know who you are or wtf you are talking about.

UNI holds a 25-20 lead in the all-time series. If you consider a -5 in the all time standings as "owning", then I don't know what to tell ya.


25-21 after this year. UND also leads the series with NDSU, so what....

[clenz]

25-21 after this year. UND also leads the series with NDSU, so what....

And they won the last meeting

quando omni flunkus moritati

[Houndawg]

SDSU finished ahead of UNI in the standings last season....you do know that, right?

quando omni flunkus moritati


Who didn't?

[clenz]

Who didn't?

So SDSU makes the playoffs, finished with better record....but Sawyer had the better team around him?


I guess it makes sense. Sawyer's team kicked the **** out of Sumners team 27-6, the for a higher completion percent, more yards, more tds, less sacks, and ran for as many yards on half the attempts....



Yeah...I'll take Sumner any day of the week...:banghead::what:
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[Professor Chaos]

I think there's a really good chance that UNI and NDSU fans will agree on who has the more storied program xrolleyesx

I will say that I respect UNI football more than any other team in the conference... I also dislike them more than any other team in the conference.

[Bisonator]

UNI has never not been an great football program. If you think they are Kansas, you are sadly mistaken. Your team has been great for two years, but UNI isn't going anyplace.

xdohx

You might want to change your user name too! xlolx

[Bisonator]

I think there's a really good chance that UNI and NDSU fans will agree on who has the more storied program xrolleyesx

I will say that I respect UNI football more than any other team in the conference... I also dislike them more than any other team in the conference.

xthumbsupx

[AmsterBison]

I don't know who you are or wtf you are talking about.

UNI holds a 25-20 lead in the all-time series. If you consider a -5 in the all time standings as "owning", then I don't know what to tell ya.

D2 was formed in 1973. I'd imagine that 20 or so of UNI's series wins came before that time as NDSU is 15-7 against UNI in the last 50 years. Come to think of it, maybe you and UND fans can form a club "The Mighty Bison Beaters from the time before helmets." I'd imagine the meetings would be a good place for you guys to show off photos of your conference championship rings. /ouchie

That said, UNI was a NDSU's main conference foe back in the North Central Conference days and that continues today in the Missouri Valley. Going to a war under the FargoDome lights in a couple months.

[MplsBison]

Indeed.

The UNI and SDSU games are almost getting to the level that the UND game was at before NDSU moved up.

[ValleyChamp]

2 years?

NDSU has been a premier program a lot longer than that.

Hang your hat on all of those conference titles before NDSU joined the league if that makes you feel better. Fact is, going for a 3-peat is pretty rare at any level.

?

NDSU has been great for 2 years. They were mediocre to good the fist few years of in this league. I don't know how you could argue otherwise. Its not a knock, and it certainly doesn't diminish what they have done the last two years, but if you feel the need to get offended by it then more power to you.

UNI has 3 conf titles to NDSU's 2 since they have joined the league, so idk who is "hanging their hat" on something before the time NDSU was here.

[ValleyChamp]

D2 was formed in 1973. I'd imagine that 20 or so of UNI's series wins came before that time as NDSU is 15-7 against UNI in the last 50 years. Come to think of it, maybe you and UND fans can form a club "The Mighty Bison Beaters from the time before helmets." I'd imagine the meetings would be a good place for you guys to show off photos of your conference championship rings. /ouchie

That said, UNI was a NDSU's main conference foe back in the North Central Conference days and that continues today in the Missouri Valley. Going to a war under the FargoDome lights in a couple months.

LOL, ok. So basically, all the games your team lost don't count as much.

You can twist the timelines all you want to spin it in your favor to make yourself feel better, but the simple fact of the matter is that UNI leads the all time series and leads the D1 series.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

?

NDSU has been great for 2 years. They were mediocre to good the fist few years of in this league. I don't know how you could argue otherwise. Its not a knock, and it certainly doesn't diminish what they have done the last two years, but if you feel the need to get offended by it then more power to you.

UNI has 3 conf titles to NDSU's 2 since they have joined the league, so idk who is "hanging their hat" on something before the time NDSU was here.

While NDSU and UNI have competed on the same level, NDSU has won 5 national championships to UNI's 0.

It took a few years for NDSU to get their footing in FCS but you are kidding yourself if you think there is going to be any backslide.

[Trumpster]

but you are kidding yourself if you think there is going to be any backslide.

xeyebrowx And you are a fool to think that there isn't going to be any backslide. They aren't going to with the Naty every year.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

xeyebrowx And you are a fool to think that there isn't going to be any backslide. They aren't going to with the Naty every year.

Nope but understand that NDSU in the last 50 years has had 3 losing seasons, 7 undefeated seasons, and 7 1 loss seasons.

NDSU is kind of here to stay.

[semobison]

xeyebrowx And you are a fool to think that there isn't going to be any backslide. They aren't going to with the Naty every year.

Nope, wont win it every year but it sure beats never winning one at all!

[DJKyR0]

xeyebrowx And you are a fool to think that there isn't going to be any backslide. They aren't going to with the Naty every year.


Fine, so we have to settle for a semifinal finish some year here. Whatever.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

?

NDSU has been great for 2 years. They were mediocre to good the fist few years of in this league. I don't know how you could argue otherwise. Its not a knock, and it certainly doesn't diminish what they have done the last two years, but if you feel the need to get offended by it then more power to you.

UNI has 3 conf titles to NDSU's 2 since they have joined the league, so idk who is "hanging their hat" on something before the time NDSU was here.



I was referencing or including our recent D2 days but if you are just including our D1 days then you are probably right to some degree. Since becoming D1, NDSU is 46-20 for a winning % of 69.7 and 24-16 in the Valley.....not excellent but pretty decent.

[tourguide]

people dont understand how horrible of a head coach Mike Sanford is, he will lead Indiana State back into obscurity.

NDSU's back up Carson Wentz is the best QB in the conference. You will witness it next year!!

[mmiller_34]

This is what Ive learned thus far:

North Dakota State is this..
North Dakota State is that...
UNI ALMOST extended an offer to USD's best player...
UNI has a better record than NDSU...
South Dakota State has a ****ty stadium but should be on the upswing...
Illinois State has a fat running back...
Missouri State fans will murder Terry Allen by the end of 2013...
Southern Illinois will add some transfers and be mediocre..
And finally..
North Dakota State could win a Naty even with Justin Bieber playing QB.

Any questions?

[MplsBison]

LOL, ok. So basically, all the games your team lost don't count as much.

You can twist the timelines all you want to spin it in your favor to make yourself feel better, but the simple fact of the matter is that UNI leads the all time series and leads the D1 series.

And Minnesota won the national championship in college football.

Remember that? That must have a huge bearing on the Gopher program today, right?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SIU fans:


Is Lennon done this year if the Salukis have a below .500 season?

[IBleedYellow]

This is what Ive learned thus far:

North Dakota State is this..
North Dakota State is that...
UNI ALMOST extended an offer to USD's best player...
UNI has a better record than NDSU...
South Dakota State has a ****ty stadium but should be on the upswing...
Illinois State has a fat running back...
Missouri State fans will murder Terry Allen by the end of 2013...
Southern Illinois will add some transfers and be mediocre..
And finally..
North Dakota State could win a Naty even with Justin Bieber playing QB.
Any questions?


You were right until bolded. Where the hell did you read that?! You're going crazy and losing it miller! :D


UND needs to hurry up and get back to scheduling NDSU or UNI will become our heated rivals very quickly, and I'm not complaining about that.

[skinny_uncle]

SIU fans:


Is Lennon done this year if the Salukis have a below .500 season?
Please send these inquiries to the AD, Mario Moccia. The rest of us really don't know.

[UNIFanSince1983]

SIU fans:


Is Lennon done this year if the Salukis have a below .500 season?

If their history with previous coaches is any indication no. They will wait until the coach completely runs the team into the ground like Lowery did with the basketball program.

[darell1976]

SIU fans:


Is Lennon done this year if the Salukis have a below .500 season?

I know a team Dale could go to if he gets canned. If Muss gets canned at the same time Dale could take over.

[mmiller_34]

You were right until bolded. Where the hell did you read that?! You're going crazy and losing it miller! :D

:)

[Bisonator]

I know a team Dale could go to if he gets canned. If Muss gets canned at the same time Dale could take over.

Something tells me Lennon isn't as great a head coach as he was in a watered down D2. I think he is a much better D coordinator then head coach.

[darell1976]

Something tells me Lennon isn't as great a head coach as he was in a watered down D2. I think he is a much better D coordinator then head coach.

UND had a great DC (Bubba Schweigert) that may have made Lennon look good as head coach, plus the 2001 NC team was coached by Lennon but had Roger Thomas's recruits.

Lennon's numbers at UND: 1999-2007 90 wins 24 losses, 7 playoff appearances, 2 NC games, 1 losing season, and 6 10+ win seasons. However like you said D2 was starting to get watered down so that may affect those numbers.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

UND had a great DC (Bubba Schweigert) that may have made Lennon look good as head coach, plus the 2001 NC team was coached by Lennon but had Roger Thomas's recruits.

Lennon's numbers at UND: 1999-2007 90 wins 24 losses, 7 playoff appearances, 2 NC games, 1 losing season, and 6 10+ win seasons. However like you said D2 was starting to get watered down so that may affect those numbers.

He's doing a "reverse Jerry Kill" at SIU. although no word on if he will end up at Emporia State after this.

[IBleedYellow]

The stash will prevail.

[MplsBison]

UND had a great DC (Bubba Schweigert) that may have made Lennon look good as head coach, plus the 2001 NC team was coached by Lennon but had Roger Thomas's recruits.

Lennon's numbers at UND: 1999-2007 90 wins 24 losses, 7 playoff appearances, 2 NC games, 1 losing season, and 6 10+ win seasons. However like you said D2 was starting to get watered down so that may affect those numbers.

But they made it back in 2003, so those were his recruits right?

If you want to see something epic - look at the DII championship game participants from 2001-2009. You might notice a consistent theme..

[skinny_uncle]

He's doing a "reverse Jerry Kill" at SIU. although no word on if he will end up at Emporia State after this.

35-23 so far at SIU and he did have a winning season last year. If you call that a "reverse Jerry Kill", you don't remember how bad we were in the seasons immediately preceding Jerry.

[skinny_uncle]

The stash will prevail.

We hope.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

35-23 so far at SIU and he did have a winning season last year. If you call that a "reverse Jerry Kill", you don't remember how bad we were in the seasons immediately preceding Jerry.

Jerry Kill took a lousy team and made them good, steadily improving every year. Lennon took a good team and has gone backwards.

[MplsBison]

It will be interesting to see if Kill can keep his "steadily improving" M.O. going at the U of MN.

This has to be a breakthrough year for the Gophs to truly keep in line with what he did at SIU and then NIU. Don't think it's going to happen...

[AmsterBison]

We hope.

I'd bet on it (i.e. the 'stache prevailing,) but it really depends on what's acceptable at SIU. I'd expect that he'll get the win percentage to .650.

Last time NDSU was looking for a coach, NDSU's AD, Gene Taylor, said that Lennon was the kind of coach he wanted to get. Dale probably relates better to kids in the upper midwest though.

[Houndawg]

Something tells me Lennon isn't as great a head coach as he was in a watered down D2. I think he is a much better D coordinator then head coach.

There is a general feeling that he's a bit of a fish out of water down here. He definitely can't recruit at Kill's level and he seems reluctant to make the coaching changes that need to be made. He did finally get a good S&C coach but the o line was a disaster last year.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

It will be interesting to see if Kill can keep his "steadily improving" M.O. going at the U of MN.

This has to be a breakthrough year for the Gophs to truly keep in line with what he did at SIU and then NIU. Don't think it's going to happen...



IMO, Kill will not get it done at U of M.

[IBleedYellow]

IMO, Kill will not get it done at U of M.

Pretty sure it's not possible for a Minnesota team to have sucess other than the Twins once every blue moon and the Lynx.

[Houndawg]

Pretty sure it's not possible for a Minnesota team to have sucess other than the Twins once every blue moon and the Lynx.

I don't think the salesman has been born that could talk a kid into playing at Minnesota instead of in CA or FL.

[Gil Dobie]

I don't think the salesman has been born that could talk a kid into playing at Minnesota instead of in CA or FL.

Lou Holtz has been the best salesman they have had, but they didn't keep him.

[Houndawg]

Lou Holtz has been the best salesman they have had, but they didn't keep him.

Salesmanship goes out the window during the first winter.

[underdawg]

I'd bet on it (i.e. the 'stache prevailing,) but it really depends on what's acceptable at SIU. I'd expect that he'll get the win percentage to .650.

Last time NDSU was looking for a coach, NDSU's AD, Gene Taylor, said that Lennon was the kind of coach he wanted to get. Dale probably relates better to kids in the upper midwest though.

No offense, but knowing Coach Lennon as well as I do, let's just say he would NOT have taken a coaching position at the home of his arch enemy when he was at University of North Dakota as both a player and a coach. UND feels toward State like SIU fans and players feel about Illinois State--they don't like each other.

[MplsBison]

I don't think the salesman has been born that could talk a kid into playing at Minnesota instead of in CA or FL.

I'd settle for a salesman who was capable of keeping the best prep talent graduating from MN high schools, that grew up playing football in MN, from going out of state to play college football.

That would be a fantastic start (though probably bad news for NDSU).


People always say what you say about MN. But then I ask: how the heck do they make it happen in places like Madison, WI and Lincoln, NE? And neither of those places have the excitement, nightlife or culture that the Twin Cities can provide.

[MplsBison]

No offense, but knowing Coach Lennon as well as I do, let's just say he would NOT have taken a coaching position at the home of his arch enemy when he was at University of North Dakota as both a player and a coach. UND feels toward State like SIU fans and players feel about Illinois State--they don't like each other.

I don't think that's what he was saying...

But anyway, I'm curious - how would you rank the inter-Illinois rivalries in terms of hatred/intensity? Because, for example, I think Illinois St has only has one "official" rivalry games with an inter-Illinois team: Eastern Illinois.

[skinny_uncle]

IMO, Kill will not get it done at U of M.

Kill has "got it done" at every level he has coached at. Let's wait and see what happens.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Kill has "got it done" at every level he has coached at. Let's wait and see what happens.


Ya, we'll see.

Annual 5-7, 6-6 or maybe 7-5 teams....ya, maybe. Not running his version of the spread offense. Go back to the Mason days of a pro-set and run the ball. NDSU would have beat them last year and would this year too.

[underdawg]

I don't think that's what he was saying...

But anyway, I'm curious - how would you rank the inter-Illinois rivalries in terms of hatred/intensity? Because, for example, I think Illinois St has only has one "official" rivalry games with an inter-Illinois team: Eastern Illinois.


We hate 'em--a lot. One example is because of an instance during the Kill era involving their fans throwing things at SIU coaches and players during a game at Normal and giving Kill **** because of his medical conditions (he's had seizures during games before and cancer). But it's also because they are a fellow Illinois school and have been playing us forever. But, I'm not certain the hate has the historical dimensions of you guy's and North Dakota.

[AmsterBison]

No offense, but knowing Coach Lennon as well as I do, let's just say he would NOT have taken a coaching position at the home of his arch enemy when he was at University of North Dakota as both a player and a coach. UND feels toward State like SIU fans and players feel about Illinois State--they don't like each other.

Well, I said that NDSU's AD wanted a coach like Dale Lennon, not the man himself. I'd just take is as a compliment, rather than an offer.

[Houndawg]

I'd settle for a salesman who was capable of keeping the best prep talent graduating from MN high schools, that grew up playing football in MN, from going out of state to play college football.

That would be a fantastic start (though probably bad news for NDSU).


People always say what you say about MN. But then I ask: how the heck do they make it happen in places like Madison, WI and Lincoln, NE? And neither of those places have the excitement, nightlife or culture that the Twin Cities can provide.

They don't make it happen very often. Minnesota is a hockey state, their few decent football players haul azz at the earliest opportunity.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Well, I said that NDSU's AD wanted a coach like Dale Lennon, not the man himself. I'd just take is as a compliment, rather than an offer.



I think Missouri State's coach, Terry Allen, was in the running for the NDSU job also.

I think the Bison picked the right guy...xnodx


Lennon is a nice guy but he must feel some kind of pressure down in Carbondale, he keeps bringing in FBS transfers to try and get the quick fix every year.

[IBleedYellow]

They don't make it happen very often. Minnesota is a hockey state, their few decent football players haul azz at the earliest opportunity.

They claim to be a hockey state, but look at the success of their programs. Yeahhhh.

MN may have the most natives that are in the NHL, but not even close to the most that play on the Wild.

Such a GREAT state of hockey. xthumbsupx

[underdawg]

I think Missouri State's coach, Terry Allen, was in the running for the NDSU job also.

I think the Bison picked the right guy...xnodx


Lennon is a nice guy but he must feel some kind of pressure down in Carbondale, he keeps bringing in FBS transfers to try and get the quick fix every year.

We'll see how it works out this year and go from there. The last few years, we've played you guys pretty tough with those awful transfers:)

[Twentysix]

We'll see how it works out this year and go from there. The last few years, we've played you guys pretty tough with those awful transfers:)

Yeah, last year you almost played us as tough as Missouri state did. xblehx
----------------------------
It should be a good game this year.xthumbsupx

[Thundar]

We'll see how it works out this year and go from there. The last few years, we've played you guys pretty tough with those awful transfers:)

playing tough 1 game against the #1 team is way different than playing tough the whole year being #1 with a target on your back. our guys are veterans now and the pressure isn't the same, I really think they will be more relaxed this year but ripe for the picking, I'm predicting 2 season losses because of it but will still make the playoffs

[Twentysix]

playing tough 1 game against the #1 team is way different than playing tough the whole year being #1 with a target on your back. our guys are veterans now and the pressure isn't the same, I really think they will be more relaxed this year but ripe for the picking, I'm predicting 2 season losses because of it but will still make the playoffs

9-2 with a D2 win could mean we are traveling in the playoffs in a 12 game season. A three peat really hinges on home field through the playoffs.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

9-2 with a D2 win could mean we are traveling in the playoffs in a 12 game season. A three peat really hinges on home field through the playoffs.

I don't see a conference loss on this schedule.

[Southern Bison]

playing tough 1 game against the #1 team is way different than playing tough the whole year being #1 with a target on your back. our guys are veterans now and the pressure isn't the same, I really think they will be more relaxed this year but ripe for the picking, I'm predicting 2 season losses because of it but will still make the playoffs

I see a 1-loss season coming for the Bison. If we beat K-State, there will be a MVFC game that catches us on an off day. If we lose the opener, we'll run the table on the conference.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I see a 1-loss season coming for the Bison. If we beat K-State, there will be a MVFC game that catches us on an off day. If we lose the opener, we'll run the table on the conference.

Yep. See? We can agree on something.

[IBleedYellow]

I can't quite peg who the MVFC loss will be, but I feel we'll be 14-1 again this season. The loss coming in the regular season that will slap the guys across the face just like the past two years.


Yep. See? We can agree on something.

Pretty sure the only thing you guys see eye to eye on is Bison football. ;)

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Pretty sure the only thing you guys see eye to eye on is Bison football. ;)

That describes my relationship with many posters here

[Southern Bison]

Yep. See? We can agree on something.

I know that...we can't ever talk politics or religion. The season needs to get here soon.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

9-2 with a D2 win could mean we are traveling in the playoffs in a 12 game season. A three peat really hinges on home field through the playoffs.


2X defending champs will not be traveling with a 9-2 record...maybe a semi-final game but not a quarter or 1st round

[IBleedYellow]

2X defending champs will not be traveling with a 9-2 record...maybe a semi-final game but not a quarter or 1st round

The way we pack the Dome, we pay for the travel costs of ALL Teams in two home games. We make the NCAA some cash when we host, and they know it. They will try to get us a higher seed or at least hope to get us to host one if at all possible.

Galaxy S4

[Twentysix]

2X defending champs will not be traveling with a 9-2 record...maybe a semi-final game but not a quarter or 1st round

Just keep in mind 9-2 (8-2 DI) could be lined up against a team that is 12-0 DI. There are good teams playing 12 game seasons. It will be tough to justify allowing a 2 loss NDSU, playing 1 game short of a full slate, to host versus 11-1 or 12-0 teams.

Hopefully we luck out and other teams all pickup losses along the way, that way 11 games in a 12 game season won't hurt us too much.

[344Johnson]

Just keep in mind 9-2 (8-2 DI) could be lined up against a team that is 12-0 DI. There are good teams playing 12 game seasons. It will be tough to justify allowing a 2 loss NDSU, playing 1 game short of a full slate, to host versus 11-1 or 12-0 teams.

Hopefully we luck out and other teams all pickup losses along the way, that way 11 games in a 12 game season won't hurt us too much.

The NCAA will do what it can to make sure NDSU with a good record is at home. Just like they would do for Montana, JMU, or anyone who draws well. Is it fair? Nope. Is it just peachy for teams NDSU who draw rather well? Absolutely.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Just keep in mind 9-2 (8-2 DI) could be lined up against a team that is 12-0 DI. There are good teams playing 12 game seasons. It will be tough to justify allowing a 2 loss NDSU, playing 1 game short of a full slate, to host versus 11-1 or 12-0 teams.

Hopefully we luck out and other teams all pickup losses along the way, that way 11 games in a 12 game season won't hurt us too much.


A 9-2 team will not be matched up with a 12-0 team right away. 8 teams will get byes in the 1st round. I don't think there will be many 12-0 teams this year, if any. Plus I thought now that D2 are counters...maybe I'm wrong.

IMO, a 9-2 NDSU will have a 1st round bye then two possible home games then maybe travel for a semi-final game. Now they just have to go out and win.

[Thundar]

Just keep in mind 9-2 (8-2 DI) could be lined up against a team that is 12-0 DI. There are good teams playing 12 game seasons. It will be tough to justify allowing a 2 loss NDSU, playing 1 game short of a full slate, to host versus 11-1 or 12-0 teams.

Hopefully we luck out and other teams all pickup losses along the way, that way 11 games in a 12 game season won't hurt us too much.

DII wins count we would e 9-2 no matter

[darell1976]

I see a 1-loss season coming for the Bison. If we beat K-State, there will be a MVFC game that catches us on an off day. If we lose the opener, we'll run the table on the conference.

So when did K-State buyout the Bison game to play UND? xlolx

https://twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/359335662656294912/photo/1
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/darell1976/fcs.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/darell1976/media/fcs.jpg.html)

[Southern Bison]

When it comes to bidding to host the playoff games, when are the bids due to the NCAA?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

40 more days until FB.......xbangx

[Twentysix]

When it comes to bidding to host the playoff games, when are the bids due to the NCAA?

They are due right before selection Sunday. So the night of the final football game in the regular season

[Twentysix]

So when did K-State buyout the Bison game to play UND? xlolx

https://twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/359335662656294912/photo/1
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/darell1976/fcs.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/darell1976/media/fcs.jpg.html)

It's ok, we put them on our schedule as Kansas. ;) silly ****ers are playing themselves in November.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

38 days and counting......xthumbsupx

[Thundar]

So when did K-State buyout the Bison game to play UND? xlolx

https://twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/359335662656294912/photo/1
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/darell1976/fcs.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/darell1976/media/fcs.jpg.html)

just like when NDSU made the frozen four :D

[IBleedYellow]

just like when NDSU made the frozen four :D

Pretty sure our hockey team is still undefeated!